 to us relentlessly searching for human-humane architecture here in Hawaii, specifically on our island of Wahoo, which different than all the other islands has something that is very, very specific because we actually have, and picture one illustrates that, we have an urban part of our island and we have a rural part of our island. And today we bring in a guest, Wyatt Butterball, and I was tempted to pronounce the first part of your name, the German way, butta. So welcome, Wyatt. Hi. Great to have you on the show. And to share with the audience, I call it a self-study in architecture. But before we go there, we want to put it into a context of previous representatives in the profession have dealt with that. So the picture number two is from 1845, I think exactly, where cities, which basically just a while, a short while ago, we have reached the point where we have more people living in cities than in the country. And this was way before that when industrialization started, but there was a guy, this tarot guy, who already sort of escaped the city and ever since, a sort of hero for escaped prison. Seeking solace, sir. Exactly. Solitude's more. Yeah. And he did that in his little cabin. And the other guy was actually 100 years later, if you can have picture number three. And this is what many consider to be the grand senior of architecture, Mr. City, V. Radieuse, the Corbusier. Decides to go and have a cabana himself to escape that city life. Exactly. And here it is from the outside. And that's why we call this show, if we can get the next picture, Wyatt's Cabana Mobileier, because this is about dwelling in an unconventional way, facing the challenges of our island. And I use the term Mobileier because I'm unsatisfied with the term real estate for dwelling shelter we own. And the word that's used in Germany comes from France. It's called immobilier, which means there's something immobile, which also implies there could be something mobile. And at this point, I also want to say hi to my dear researcher, fellow Amelie Haimi, who is somewhere out there and hopefully watches and is encouraged by you stepping forward and pioneering this kind of typology here. Hi, Amelie. Yeah, and do you want to go to picture number five and talk a little bit about this grandfather of yours, not literally, but figuratively here? Sure. Corp. Corbusier, I'm not going to butcher that, or at least hopefully, was a bit of an inspiration in this. I was in this area where his cabana is still. Didn't get to see it, unfortunately, but it was inspiring the way he utilized space in such a small space, getting all the necessities. And for him, there was a lot, I think, a lot more experience before he undertook this. I'm not sure he didn't build it, did he? Well, he built the interior. So the exterior is rather vernacular and rugged and I think existing. And he basically did the interior sort of customization, one should say. And you're right, whereas he actually did it towards the conclusion to say it's safe of his life, you up front that. I did. I up front it and it was an attempt to design my own space so that I didn't have to wait till 60, because the prospect of owning land in Hawaii is, for someone just coming out of school is pretty minimal unless you've got a lot of financial backing from family or whatnot. But I wanted to fast forward that or start with my own space and not wait so long to get that. And so that was one of the big incentives. And the inspiration here, sort of mentorship number six, is the interior of the Corbizies. And the previous picture showed he basically used this as his sort of artist studio because he was working as an artist as much as an architect. And he was, as one sees here, painting naked, which was the scandal at the time of Corbizies. Yeah, but in France. It's rather liberal and the climate allows it. So it's just rather OK. And after that, we should also probably not hide to say how he ended then. Right, right. Yeah, he decided to swim out into the Mediterranean with some dignity, I guess. Kind of like a dog when they know they're passing on, they don't want to bring down the pack. So they decide to go out in the wilderness and pass away with dignity like Bacor did himself. Exactly. So the number seven shows which all this facilitates, a rather tiny house. This is sort of the original plan with original French, basically legend here that shows it's really about clever space management in many ways and multi-purposing and multi-functioning. And if you go to the next picture, that's what you did as well. Here is your very own signature plan. So I allotted space in a way that was giving public the most. And that would be at the right side there, the living room slash the deck. So the space is allowed to open up and you occupy more than just that bit. And then as you move back, you get to more and more private spaces. So at the far end, you're at the bathroom and the living quarters in the closet. It's trying to concentrate that into as small a space as can as I could be. So that was the intention with my layout from private to public. Yeah. Semi. As we have the chance to work together, I appreciate you having put in the north arrow. Yeah. I mean, it's dependent on where it'll. Orientation is very key in how we build. Right. But it, of course, is mobile. So that orientation could change as well. And the keyword mobile, let's put this into a sort of an island context if we can get the next picture here. Say something about that one if you don't want. It's gorgeous, isn't it? Depends on. Everyone could leave their house and live in one of those. It's actually kind of a nice one. But yeah, I guess that would be the reason I feel what he doesn't want trailer homes is because they're not aesthetically pleasing. But if there is an alternative, which is something I've attempted here or done, and this is a middle ground. These are gorgeous. Then I think it could become even more attractive. And there is a tiny home fever across the nation and the world. So I'm just catching on. With all that sort of like the sort of fine line between immobile and mobile, there is all these different facets of economics as well. Just this morning, I met a new neighbor of mine where I parked my car on the streets. He parks there too. And he is the second tier. After living on the streets, he lives in his car. Because if you can't own real estate for the reasons that you described, you might be lucky to own that space on wheels, which is not legal. It's illegal, so it's on this kind of fine line. So you were brave enough to basically walk that fine line almost like balancing on it. And another example is the next picture, number 11, where actually the sort of walking the line has worked. Yeah, we have a lot of food trucks in Hawaii. It's caught on tremendously, and it's convenient. I mean, they occupy a space, kind of like the parklets, only for a bit, lunch hour, rush, or sometimes dinner. And then they're gone. And I mean, that's something. And they weren't allowed either originally, and they kind of smuggled their way through. And now they have conquered their sort of place in culture. Overcome that. And if you like watch documentaries and stuff like that, you can't think without them again. So they made their way in and established themselves. Right, and many restaurants that are established, fixed restaurants have their food trucks that also go out. So it works. So another example, number 12, is from the contemporary architectural scene. This is Tom Kündig from Alson Kündig Architects, who did this, obviously, in another climate, which we can see with that white stuff, which we don't have here. This is in Washington, state of Washington. And the reason here to put these, basically, things, these rolling huts, how he calls them on wheels, was once again, tricking the system, because he was not allowed to build there permanently. So putting them on wheels was tricking the system. Yeah, and there's always these loopholes we try and find if there's an alternative that is actually a benefit to our islands. Smaller space means smaller waste and many more things. So not surprising, the next picture, that usually you build a house and you start laying the foundations and you dig in the ground. So not surprising that you have done something different here? Yeah, this is a good friend of mine, Kevin, who helped quite a bit with the trailer for one and some of the framing. But yeah, so building the trailer frame to incorporate all my structural members was the task here. And that's what you're seeing. And yeah, it's a mobile unit. So how much capacity can the trailer hold? It looks kind of fun. That's actually almost a year and a half ago now, because I'm in school. So it's kind of neat to see that skeleton. It is a different foundation, but eventually wheeled to where it sits now. There we go. Here's the next step right here. The wheels are on, which we usually call the frame is on. But usually in frame tectonics, we're used to the 2 by 4s or something like that. These are 8 by 8. They're 6 by 6. And I got quite a bit of wood actually from Reuse White. And these were 6 by 12s originally. And I had a friend, well, Kevin, again, had a timber saw. And I ripped them into 6 by 6, so that's what those are. And they used both for the post and beam or the 6 by 6. So a little harder to work with dimensional changing as you moved up. It was not your typical balloon frame. So it took a little more thought and consideration transitioning between the post to the beam and then to the roof frame and so on. Which the next picture shows well, which also we have as the permanent background. But here you're on it. So we're going to take a little break here for a minute to give some of my colleagues a chance to promote their shows. And then we're going to be back for Wyatt's Cabana Mobilier. Thank you. Aloha, everybody. My name is Mark Shklav. I'd like you to join me for my program, Law Across the Sea, on thinktechhawaii.com. Aloha. Hello, I'm Marianne Sasaki. Welcome to Think Tech Hawaii, where some of the most interesting conversations in Honolulu go on. I have a show on Wednesdays from 1 to 2 called Life in the Law, where we discuss legal issues, politics, governmental topics, and a whole host of issues. I hope you'll join me. Aloha. I'm Richard Emory, host of Condo Insider, a weekly Thursday show at 3 o'clock. It goes all summer long talking about issues living in a condo association. Each week, we bring experts to talk about the rights and obligations of owners and boards of directors to successfully run their condominium. It's a great educational show. Answers a lot of questions. We hope you'll visit us sometime. Aloha. 15 back. So we're back to Wyatt's Cabana Mobilier. We just, before the break, we looked at the bone frame structure, which I see as a reconnecting actually, sort of the scholar in me, to sort of pre-contact a way of building. Because then, after contact, we imported the American 2x4. And this is going back to the sturdy post familiar in my culture as well, the vernacular, which we called half timber frame. So you've got a more significantly sturdy stud, basically spread out more. Right, and then your smaller framing is for the windows and the door jams and so on. Let's go to 2x4s. But it is speaking to the pavilion model, so this idea of welcoming the environment in, because we do have such a pleasant environment. So why not have it indoors too? Sure, you need to shut it out sometimes so you get shutters. But predominantly, my motive was to keep it as open as possible. Right, and the next picture shows the main protection here on the islands is from the rain, especially in the area you are, where it's more rainy and also keeping out the sun. It's a tongue, they call it. They used to refer to it as that, but it's the corrugated sheet metal, right? And I did it a little unconventional, running the waves lengthwise. But that actually slows the rain down as it comes off the roof, so it ended up working out. Very poetic as well. You probably get some nice acoustical tripping. Yeah, I like the sound of it. You hear it. If a mango falls, that's a little different. Awesome. But the rain is nice. It's still awesome. I love that too. Very pleasant and awesome. Yeah, wind funnels right over it. Perfect. So next picture shows you the roof on and getting to the next stage. Yeah, putting down the subfloor, which is something I actually thought about when I was putting down the finished flooring, which I use bamboo. But I thought it would have been nice to go with flooring that I could have just put right over the joist now in hindsight. Hindsight being 20-20, I can't have too many regrets. But I have another one to do, and many for that matter. So this is prototype number one. Exactly. So I've got a chance for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. So here you're putting up the sort of, hesitant to call it walls. It's more like a threshold. And it's once again connecting to the days where we did not the invasive double wall construction, which is for mainland and more waste. And you're more waste, and you get this cavity space. I have the privilege to work with your colleague Nick for his dark and his approach as a healthy home because he has family members who got sick in a double wall. So go back to the single wall construction. Yeah, and it is illegal at the moment, unfortunately, to do this. But it makes the entire sense, why not? If you don't need that much insulation, that piece of ply could serve for that insulation just fine. And don't worry. You have co-host moderator Howard Wick, our hero with you, who is fighting for that things you do will be legalized. That's good. He's working on changing the code and has. So thank you, Howard. Thanks, Howard. Definitely. So the next picture shows you pretty close to, projects like that are never completed. And that's the beauty and the nature. But it's obviously cutting closer to finishes. Yeah, this is actually the back door into the bathroom. That way, if you're muddy, you don't have to go tromping through, even though it's a small floor. You don't have to bring your mud inside. But those doors, in fact, are actually from reuse as well. So another endeavor to recycle material tends to actually be a little more work, but satisfying and, of course, more environmentally friendly. But yeah, getting a little closer, kind of skinny, huh? In this view, you can see how narrow it is. I'm constrained to the ability to drive it on a road, eight feet wide. I like that term, actually skinny over tiny, because tiny homes becomes, once again, sort of a brand, a movement. And there's always, it becomes bus-worthy. And then certain things get lost on the way there. Like green. Also, I wouldn't like green as well. Also, I would be hesitant to call it the ADU, accessory drawing unit, because once again, there's all these stigmas. This is a thing on its own, I think, that could be read in many different ways. And it's sort of open-minded and open for where it goes, where it rolls, literally speaking. So next picture also shows another detail here. This is the shower wall, another piece of sheet metal corrugated. And eventually, there'll be a privacy screen around that shower deck that I'm standing on now. But yeah, it's an idea to repel the water. And also, to not use the inside space for the shower, opening that what would have been for a shower, for storage, or something else. And who doesn't like showering outside? Awesome. Yeah, if you can be in the jungle outside the shower, like Tarzan, or like Adam, way back, and Eve. And you don't bring, it's also very sort of logically clever, because you keep the water, which is the problem for mold, especially in more humid areas outside the house. It's also something that these are all the necular sort of like inherited knowledges that you basically sort of revisit and reinterpret. And that, by the way, gets me to the next picture. It took me a while. I sort of, your project sounded very familiar to me. And I tried to dig in my archives there and my mental ones. And finally found this one here, which is a colleague of mine who went the opposite way. This is Stephen Atkinson, who started to teach. He's American. He started to teach in Germany. So the opposite to me. And my very first work I'd published a couple of times, actually mostly in this thinking of Amelie Heimi in the Korean magazine, C3, were published next to each other. And I always wanted to reach out to him. And I never took the chance. So hopefully this reminds me so he does. And I see this. This is in Louisiana. So this is a reinterpretation of the vernacular of the shotgun house. And the next picture shows what's typical for that is that the house has these two parts. And then there's this lanai, which becomes the common kind of space and room in between. So once again, the same typology, very skinny house, very sort of simple as a space and as a form. The materiality, very rugged. Right, more of a budget concern. You can still use cheaper materials. Exactly. Depending on how well you can execute it, it's going to look good. And how well it's executed. This gets us to the next picture, because this is how well you executed the 22, please, before that one. The picture before. Yeah, this is something to speak to. So you can see that it's single wall pretty clearly in this. And in fact, I'm standing up getting just one more little framing piece in. But the wall I'm leaning on or that structural member is, I'm standing in front of the clear story windows, which is another, I guess, endeavor to keep as much of the facades open as possible. So those are basically just big windows that will have shutters over them. And at the moment, they look out at a very majestic view. So I was going to say, I probably could see myself hanging these shutters open most of the time. Yeah, mostly they will be. This is a subtitle, this Wyatt Tarzan, here for obvious reasons. So it's really a very sort of, I mean, you live here and you grew up here. And so this is your tribute to a more respectful of your home approach in building and rethinking sort of the invasive way, which has unfortunately taken over on the island. And with that, there's a current movie out in just out of the cinema's next picture and just probably on DVD next that I told you to as sort of a watching recommendation. I hadn't watched it yet. And I've seen it on the plane on the way back coming from Christmas. It's good. It really talks about the sort of our desire to be reconnected to the elements and living out there, living a free, open-minded, way more balanced to use the term. And then there is the other side, which is the city where everything is so controlled and over controlled. So these two worlds wrapped around this very personal story clash into each other. Yeah, they do clash a lot. There's harmony. There could be between the two. And we see that in some of the sustainable cities around the world that are the cutting edge, like Copenhagen and Portland. And anyway, there's definitely examples of how to blend those two and make some harmony. I think you did. I mean, next and last picture is called as Wide Fantastic, as alluding to Captain Fantastic. Where you just sort of, and I want to make very clear, this is, as I said at the beginning, this is self-studies and architecture. When I had the privilege to share some of my experience with you, that opened the opportunity that you shared that with us. And so this is, for me, the best, because you've done something I've never done. Because I've always fought a lot of architecture, but I'd never build it myself. I always had others building it. So you are sort of a self-trained builder, thinker? I did a bit of self-training, but I did have a mentor for three years. I did an apprenticeship with a good friend of mine. And it started actually with my dad's house. We started building there. And then he was the foreman there. And we moved on to a few other homes. So I got my base with someone very skilled. And thank you, George. Appreciate all that you've done for me. That last shot was actually a friend of mine, Jake, who looks kind of like me. And he's a builder himself. So he was helping me put down the subfloor for the loft. And we were hashing something out, discussing on how to finish off. I don't know. I actually can't remember that moment. But yeah, I really enjoy the hands-on aspect. Taking the thought, of course, being in architecture school, taking a thought and actualizing it and from drawing to the physical realm, some things get lost in translation. But you discover things through actually making mistakes end up being really positive things. Great thing. We're getting close to the end of the show. So I want to thank you for bringing something to our realm island school, which many other schools have, they have what you call this design build in Arizona, my dear colleague and friend, Mary Harden does this professionally very successfully where she works with students on designing and building projects. So you step ahead, fill a gap that we don't have in the curriculum. Kick our butt to that concern, which is much appreciated. So keep on doing that. And we look forward to see you again and see where that thing rolls, rock and roll. I'll get a film of it rolling. Awesome. Thank you, Mark. So thank you, Wyatt. Appreciate it.