 Karl Polanyi has returned from virtue of security precisely because what we are seeing, running across the whole western world, of a so-called right-wing populism, I don't like particularly these terms, but what they are, they are nationalist reactions. As far as I'm concerned, the political base of those personalities and leaders that have come today for are the losers. They are the losers of the globalized, increasingly globalized and financialized economy. We have, I think, new class divisions, which are as much cultural as they are classed. They are both economic and social and cultural divisions in our societies between those who benefit from or can manage to deal with an increasingly global and digital economy and for those who, for various reasons, are the losers, have been left behind. That includes, of course, the industrialized workers whose jobs have been outsourced or have disappeared by information technology, software, etc., and who look back to better the days of the past, who obviously can respond to the kind of story that, you know, we have lost and things were better in the past. Polanyi tells us what he called the reality of society. It's in the last chapter, the Great Transformation. And by this phrase, he means more than the fact that we live in society and we don't have any choice. We are social creatures and we have no option but to live in a society. It means more than that. It means that societies have agency. Now, of course, not as a whole, but within societies. There are formations and groupings and peoples and classes, whatever you wish to call that have agency. But because we are ultimately social creatures, we are not the individualized creatures of the Homo economicus textbook model at all. We are social creatures. And Polanyi introduces the idea of a double movement that is defensive, that is protective, that is protection of society against being torn apart, let us say, by intensity of competition or of mechanization happening too fast, et cetera, et cetera. These are reactions and conservative reactions. I think that we have to be concerned with the conservation. Conservation, first of all, of life on earth, of the plant life, the animal life, the human life, of course. And that implies, and there are more than that, I think of the variety of cultures, the languages, the cultures, the knowledge which is embodied in the culture, so-called traditional culture. And that, I think, has become an essential to saving humanity, life on earth, if you wish. So this word conservative, I think it's quite important, because when I say we need to conserve, first of all, it implies variety because the varieties of the species, of the cultures, of the languages of them. So secondly, it implies conservatism, and to my mind, that is important to understand.