 All right, welcome back. It's still the breakfast and plus TV Africa. And politics, it is what we will be discussing specifically the APC, its convention, and specifically a group of young people within the Rullian All Progressives Congress. Once the caretaker committee led by governor, may Malabuni to reside. We have joining us on the show this morning, Prince Mustafa Adu, he is a former governorship aspirant in Kogi State. Good morning to you, Prince Adu. Thanks for joining us on the breakfast. Good morning. I'm glad to be here. Thank you very much. All right, from what we understand, your group specifically wants nothing to do with, if I have to put it out of name, Malabuni, you want him to step aside because of some of the issues going on at the APC specifically, not holding Congresses. Can you just throw more light on that? Thank you very much. Glad to be here this morning. Actually, it's not that we want him to step aside. We've actually sacked him. And we have dissolved the CCPC, which is the caretaker committee. When we did this in Kaduna on Saturday, the governors, and we picked the date for our convention, we are going ahead to do the APC convention at the Eagle Square in February next year. As we did that 24 hours later, all the governors of the APC met up in Abuja and decided to pick the same February that we had picked so that they can try and in an attempt to deceive us. But what we have decided, we've had our own emergency meeting as young. All right, it's still the breakfast and lost if you have any questions. And with my Mr. President. Go ahead. We lost you in a bit. We could not really get most of what you said. Can you just go back or go through what you said again? At some point, we had some sort of disconnection. OK, that's fine. That's fine. I'll go again. Yeah, so basically, what? Basically, our group, the Progressive Youth Movement has dissolved the Mema Labuni Committee, which is the CCPC. Move back. All right. Merci. We seem to be having some issues and connecting with Temprim Tem Mustafa out there. And the APC has actually been embroidered lots of issues concerning this non-holding of the convention. And a lot of people seem to think that Mema Labuni is not capable of handling the offense of the CCPC. Well, if you look at the issue, I'm hoping that we're able to get connection with him so we can answer some of the questions on board. But I think we do have, Mustafa, how do you? Hello, Mustafa. All right, it's good to be here. Yeah, I can hear you clearly. All right, so we'll apologize for all of the disconnection and connection. But however, we hope that this would be sustainable. Let's go ahead, sharing your thoughts. What are the concerns of your group? We're sure that they are not going to conduct the convention in February. The reason why they have picked February is because we decided to pick February for our convention. So as soon as we did that 24 hours later, all the governors met up and went to Mr. President and said they wanted the convention for February. I believe this is an attempt to silence young people in the party. And we honestly believe that they have no intention to conduct this convention in February. Therefore, we're going ahead to conduct our own convention. Next week, we'll be naming our own CECPC, who will bring out the zoning formula and begin to process of carrying out the convention to make sure that the party heals. We do not believe that the current ketica committee has the capacity to carry out the convention. Therefore, they have been dissolved. OK, so we'd like to get some clarity. I mean, you're saying you are going ahead and there are going ahead. It feels like there's no uniformity at this point in time. Who is the den? Who is the we? To be honest, we're one. Are you speaking for the party as a whole, or you're speaking as another faction of the all-progressive Congress? One party is the ones that have been dissolved. Therefore, we will be carrying out the convention in February at Eagle Square. But how constitutional, how legal is it if you went ahead to conduct your own parallel Congress as a 12, wouldn't it be creating more tension and more issues for the all-progressive Congress APC? To be honest, you can make scrambled eggs without breaking a few eggs. That's the truth. There are issues in the APC right now, and we do not believe that the governors have communicated these issues to Mr. President. The only way that we will not go ahead with the convention if young people have a dialogue with Mr. President. Nigeria right now is going through issues. You can see the insecurity. Three days in a row on the Kaduna Abuja Expressway, there have been killings, insecurity, kidnapping, murder. It's very unfortunate. So these are the problems. And all these problems stem from leadership issues with our young people getting involved. These are young people committing these crimes. These are young people that should be engaged in more productive means. But unfortunately, this is the reality we're facing today. And it's simple. The reason why is because there are no young people in leadership position. So until young people get up and start representing the majority stakeholders of Nigeria, there will continue to be an issue. If you look at the APC, the problems in the APC is indicative of the problems in Nigeria. So until we fix our party, we're going to keep having these issues. So we do not believe that the governors have the best interest of the party at heart. So as young people, where do we stand? We are tired of electioneering. We're tired of doing all the work and being left on the side. It is impossible for us to continue this way. No country in the world can function without a productive young population. Nigeria has the largest young population in Africa and the largest black populace nation in the world. Therefore, if you do not engage these youths, like they say, an idle hand is the devil's workshop. Our youth are not being engaged creatively and positively. Simply because the people in power do not understand, are too old to understand what is going on with young people. There are not enough young stakeholders in the party. There are not enough young stakeholders in governance. Therefore, if you continue like this, there will keep being a problem. And Mr. President has challenged us to do this. This, what we are doing is a direct instruction from Mr. President. He told us in January, we cannot expect things to be done. We cannot expect things, a different result if we continue to do things the same way. Therefore, we must do things differently. If young people are not engaged in governance, there are only two people that can solve Nigeria's problems today. Number one is Mr. President, and number two are the young people. It is time for young people and Mr. President to dialogue. Therefore, we as young stakeholders of the ABC will not stand down until we dialogue with Mr. President because the right message, the right problems that are going on in Nigeria are not being communicated to Mr. President because we know he has the interest of the country at heart. So are you saying, shortly, I'm sorry, just as a follow up to that, are you saying that the President has mandated you as a group to go ahead, you know, to further divide the party? No, in January, Mr. President asked to see young people. There were seven young people that went there to the presidential villa to see Mr. President and we were part of the team. Now, what Mr. President told us is that as young people, he wants us to be involved in governance. He doesn't envisage a country where young people are not involved. That's why he went ahead and signed the Not Too Young to Run Bill. He is now charging us to go ahead and make a difference in the country. You see a problem, you fix the problem. How we do it is up to us. We have to come up with creative means of changing the narrative. We are tired of complaining in this country and I tell you how we've changed the narrative. On Saturday, we went to Kaduna and we had an event and at that event, at the Progressive Youth Movement event, we dismissed the caretaker committee, the CECPC. We said we would do our convention in February and 24 hours later, the governors met up in Abuja and went to Mr. President and said they would do the CECPC convention in February. That shows you the power of the youth. If the youth come together, if we believe in each other, if we work hard together, we can change the narrative because every problem in Nigeria stems from neglect of the youth, which is poor leadership. There are not enough stakeholders involved in leading the country. And if you do not understand it, let me put it in context. Where do young people flourish? FinTech, for example. Flutterwave, look at them. They're one of the top companies in the world. If you see healthcare, if you see entertainment, if you see the movement, anything you see young people involved. But in politics and leadership, young people are only involved in the electioneering, in counting the votes, in being INEC, in being the security forces, in being everything except in leadership. Young people have never come together to say these are the representatives we want to represent us. This is the social contract between us and our leaders. This is what we expect. And this is what we're doing. Let me sort of get a bit of clarity right now. If I understood you correctly, all of these issues and asking the chairman of your CECPC to actually step aside is because they are not really carrying the interest of the young people at heart. Inasmuch as you've said that you had a meeting with the president and he has asked that the young people not to do things the same way that they should get more involved in the party. Are you saying right now, if I understood you correctly, that the president, that's Mohammed Dupohari, and maybe the party or the leadership of the party are seemingly walking in cross-purposes. He believes in the young people and the party, the APC, that these are not really young people friendly. What I'm saying in particular is that the APC was forged from a need to get rid of the rot and disease in Nigeria. In 2015, we believed in one man. One man had the interest. Every single, almost every single well-meaning Nigerian rallied around the poor man, the rich, the middle class dissent, the little they had to bring in President Mohammed Dupohari. Now, since the APC has come into power and the APC has assumed office, President Mohammed Dupohari has taken steps to ensure that the country is on the right path. But unfortunately, a lot of people around Mr. President, a lot of people in the party, a lot of leaders have unfortunately used these opportunities, these leadership positions for selfish benefits. Living the young people, nowhere. Living the common Nigerians, nowhere. We are tired of complaining. We are tired of seeing there is a problem. This is an attempt. Answers, for example, shows you that there was something bubbling up. Unfortunately, when the wrong way, completely it went the wrong way. There was no leadership. There was nothing at the end that made sense about it. Initially it was a cause. Simply because there was no leadership. What young people should do, not should have done, what we should do now is come together, understand the power of our numbers. There's a new APC register. There are 40 million new voters. Of 35 million of those voters are below the age of 45. What does that tell you? That tells you that the power is in our hands. Therefore, as young people, if we want to make a difference, why are there no junior ministers below the age of 45? This is what we want. We want critical positions in the APC. We do not want youth leader. How can one position women leader represent the entire women in Nigeria? How does that work? It does not work. It is not an inclusive process. So what we are saying is that we want positions such as secretary, organizing secretary, auditor, treasurer, things that have value. All the deputy positions and vice positions in the party should go to people below the age of 45. For example, minister of technology, science and technology should be a young person. Minister of information, culture should be a young person. Orientation agencies should be young people because we understand what is going on in Nigeria. We understand today's world. We are today's stakeholders, but we are not involved in the process. Therefore, there is a complete disconnect between our leaders and the followers. This is what is bubbling up around Nigeria, but no one can fix this problem except ourselves. We must... I'd also like to ask you, Mr. Farah, how would you describe the process that you have taken to dismiss the Boonee Kateka committee or the committee that's been led by him? How would you describe it? Do you think that you have done it according to the books? I mean, you know, what the constitution or the laws that guide the party says or stipulate? We can take it one step at a time. I've read my constitution back to front. There is no such thing as the CECPC. Kateka Extraordinary Convention Planning Committee is a foreign term to the constitution of the CECPC. If we are going to face value, Article 17 of our lovely, beautiful, wonderful constitution states that no of the first subsection one states that the Nigerian constitution is supreme. It further goes to elaborate that a sitting governor cannot hold another executive position concurrently. Likewise, the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria states that a sitting governor cannot hold another executive position. I am a stakeholder in the APC. Amongst the majority stakeholder, it is my duty. It is my fiduciary duty to stand up for what is right for my party and my country. These things are at odds with my belief. What is currently going on? Therefore, there's a lot of issues in the party and in the country. So we must stand up. So before we look at what gives us the constitutional right, what gives them the constitutional right? Yes, NEC was constituted to give them six months, but after that has anything been constituted? Even if there was a further extension by six months, that one year, we have done over 18 months in a task that was given six months. Therefore, it is wrong of me as a citizen. If I have to infer from all that you have said, that your grounds really with May Malabuni and his committee is not holding, not convening these congruences in the time that he had actually been at the hems of affairs, could it also be stemmed to some of the issues in some other state in the APC? You can see there are a lot of young, wonderful people in the APC, a lot of talented politicians all across the country, but unfortunately, we're bringing in people from other parties to cause chaos and disaster in our party. And this has shown up all over the country. You can see Zamfranci case study. You can see from one part, if you bring a governor to a party, it makes sense to give him the structure. But what about the people that were in the party before? What about the people that have been maintaining the structure over the years? So imposition does not work. What we expect is dialogue. What we expect is understanding. What we expect is genuine leadership. And if that cannot be provided, then step aside. Anambra is another case study. We have to be honest as Nigerians. Anambra, the APC produced over 350,000 votes for our primaries. On the one hand, let us assume that figure is real. So are you telling me that the APC can master over 50,000 votes more than the entire Anambra State General election to fight each other? Yet we cannot produce over 40,000 votes or a little over 40,000 votes to vote for our own candidate? Then if on the other hand, the numbers were not real, then are we being honest to ourselves? This is the issue. So as stakeholders, we cannot sit down and fold our hands. We must sit with Mr. President because we know that he has the best interest of the country at heart. And I'll tell you another reason. The day Mr. President signed the Not Too Young to Run Bill, he believed that young people were capable to run the country. But do you know what the governors and the party chairman did? They increased the price of presidential ticket from 5 million to 50 million. The price of governorship ticket from 2.5 million to 22.5 million. The price of Senate ticket, House of Reps, House of Assembly all went through the roof. Why? To disenfranchise young people. Simply because they know that that is our weakness. Finance. This is why we must bind together. This is why we must come together and stand up for each other now because we understand I'm a politician, I'm a young politician and I've run for office. Therefore, I know the most important part of electioneering. It is not getting your PVC and going to vote. It's like going to a supermarket. It is what you see on the shelves that you can buy on election day. So if the right products are not on the shelves, on election day, you cannot buy the right product. Therefore, the critical part of politics and electioneering in Nigeria is in the political parties. And if we are being real, if we are being honest with ourselves, there are only two major national political parties in this country, the APC and the PDP. We are of the APC. We believe in the APC. We believe in President Mohamed Ubuhari, but there are many things, many people, many aliens that have come to our party and tried to change the ideology. So we are not going to throw away the baby with the bat water. We are going to rescue our party. And the reason why the APC is going to win the next general election, I'll tell you why. Because the APC for the first time is going to produce new young faces that Nigerians can relate to. Meanwhile, the PDP is going to recycle the same people that we've seen. This is why the APC is going to win. And this is the process that begins that. Okay, so categorically tell us the motive. I mean, what's the reason for doing what you're doing now? The all-progressive youth, the youth's wing of the party and what you hope to actually achieve at the end of the day and how you hope to achieve all of this? It's very simple. We must be carried along. We no longer want the position of youth leader and women leader. There are 27 critical positions in the party. We know that experience and stability is a critical part of leadership. Also youthful exuberance and the ability to dare is also another critical part of leadership. Therefore, we must blend it too. 15 of these positions can go to our leaders and our elders in the party. 12 of these positions must come to young people. Two, pediopolitical zone. In addition to that, all junior ministers must go to people below the age of 45. Critical positions, critical ministries must go to young people. These are the things we're fighting for. Nigerians, I believe both of you in the studio can relate to our fight. You can relate to what we're saying. We don't want to keep changing parties over and over again. We don't want to keep saying third force. It doesn't exist. The third force are the young people. We are already here. So let the young people actually take over their political parties. I challenge every single young person listening to this in every other political party. Take over your political party. You make up the numbers. If you take over your party, you produce people that the country can be proud of. People that are nationalists. People that are patriots. This is what Nigeria lacks. Patriotic Nigerians. If you look all over the world, Nigerians are flourishing, accepting Nigeria. Why? Because young people, the good people, are not involved in leadership. The others have made it so unattractive. So the good people say, well, politics is a dirty game, so I'll just leave it for them. Leave it for who? Politics is actually the most important part of your life, of our collective existence. So that is where we should focus on. So you as the fourth estate, as the media, it is your fiduciary duty to this country to show young people the way, protect other young people that are trying to lead us out of this darkness. Not young people that are selected to represent certain interests. Young people that young people can come together and know that they feel the pains of other Nigerians. They are willing to say the truth and they're willing to work hand in hand. Everybody still loves the APC. That is why people are disgruntled and unhappy. You are only unhappy with somebody you love. If you don't care about somebody, then you throw the person aside. But if you genuinely love somebody, then you will be angry with the person if the person is not doing what you expect. That is why as young people, we must regain this trust that Nigerians have given to us, especially to President Muamadubuari, who I know, I know categorically has the best interest of Nigerians I have. Everything he has tried to do, there have been forces that have been working against him. They have tried judicial autonomy. They have tried local government autonomy. They have tried to free young people. Every single time there is a roadblock, second Niger bridge, look at the total number of investment. People try to paint him a different picture, but they are two ministers. The only state in Nigeria with two ministers is Alambra. Therefore, as young people, he has charged us. So how do you intend to achieve? You know, you have actually mentioned that, I mean, if we actually are in tune, you are saying that the fact that young people are not being carried along in the party is the reason for this movement that you have. So you have the all-progressive youth saying, we are tired of the fact that we're not carried along. Now, the question is, you want inclusion at all levels of governors and including the party level. So how do you intend to achieve this? What are you going to do to achieve this goal? To be honest, we're going to take our demands to the president. We're going to keep going until we have a dialogue with Mr. President. We do not believe that the meeting with the president, between Mr. President and the governors, conveyed the true picture of what is going on simply because we were not there. If you look at history, use history to judge. And this committee was given six months. They failed. Given another six months, they failed. Another six months, they failed. Then another two, three months, it doesn't work. Why would you pick February when young people pick February? To try to undermine us, to try to say, okay, we've given you what you need, February convention, right? But I bet you January 31st, they will come up with a story saying, oops, problems, have to do it in May. Therefore, we know that we do not trust anybody except Mr. President. Therefore, we are going with our convention until Mr. President tells us that, yes, he understands there are problems in this party. Yes, as young people, these are the positions reserved for you. No other person over this age will be allowed to contest in the party. And between young people, bring the best of your best to represent you, to show you what you have. Just like the best of our best represents each of us in different fields. The best in our technological field is representing us. The best in entertainment is representing us. Therefore, the best in leadership should truly represent us. As young people, go and bring your best. And we amongst ourselves will deliberate and produce the best. And we will have a social contract with the people. And they are deliverables. Things that I expected, this is how we are going to resolve this. Until these 12 positions are given to us, guaranteed by Mr. President, we will go ahead and conduct our convention and we will head to court. Let the court, I believe in the judiciary system, let the court in Nigeria determine all the way to Supreme Court, determine who the legitimate NWC is. And we take it from there because we know that there is no, nothing that we've seen so far that shows that anybody is serious towards developing young people in this party and in this country. That is why we're idle. That is why we're not doing anything. That is why there's so much crime. The insecurity is not being carried out by old men. It is being carried out by young people. The election violence, all the things we hate, the four and nine, the fraudsters online, all the people, AFCC are cutting, doing all these basic financial fraud, our young people. And the reason they are doing that is because there's nothing for them to do. You know, that's the issue. How can we come 74th in the Olympics? And we say we're happy because we're 13 players. This is the best we've done in 13 years. Nigeria should be number one in so many things. So it is because they are not enough stakeholders that understand the need. There is a disconnect. I'm not saying that do away with the older generation, no. But if you infuse enough young people, then the problems can begin to change because we understand this world. We understand the problems going on. And we know how to fix these problems. Therefore, if you involve us, we would involve more young people. So more young people are doing constructive things. It is difficult for a young person today. Please go on. All right. Would you say one of the reasons why the older generation who actually control the hems of affairs of the APC is not carrying young people along is because they do not believe in the capacity or in the ability that they can actually bring in the changes that Nigeria and Nigerians are demanding to see? On the contrary, I think they know full well our capacity. And I think they know that's why they use us. They keep us in literate, they keep us hungry, they keep us poor, they keep us dependent because they know that that little bit of independence, the Nigerian youth is the most ingenious person on the planet. I truly believe that Nigeria is the greatest country in the world. In all honesty, I know this is the greatest country on the planet, but we are giant on our knees, while our bellies were crawling. Only young people can get us out of this mess. I'll give you an example today, right? Just a practical example. So you maybe the audience can understand what I'm trying to say. If you look at the super eagles, we were heroes in the 90s. And today we are not even anything to contend with. I'll tell you why. Back in the day, young people, you could do street football, you could play. Kanu Wang, Kojiji or Kocha, they were dribbling people on the street. They'd see you, spot you, and then you know you don't need any connection. You know your talent is enough to speak for you and you make it to the team. Some do, but most in general did not need to. So you make it to the team and your groom from there. But today, football is engineering. Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, the best players in the world were engineered from eight years old. Therefore, they are the best. But where are our engineering centers here? Where are our training academies? Where is anything? Between any city to any other city is thick forest. And what exists there? People, what do they do if they cannot survive? They turn to crime. They should be our training institutions. We should be producing Anthony Joshua's every day. We should be producing Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo's. We should be producing these top athletes, Serena Williams. We should be producing them every day. Because we have the people. How much are these training institutions? But I bet you the president has put in the budget over and over and over again. But those saddled with the responsibility to carry them out, we all know. You don't have to take my word. Come and show it to us with the tremendous amount of resources that have been dedicated to these things. Where are they? So there are no opportunities for young people to engineer themselves. If you see an entertainer today that has made it, go and ask him his challenges and his struggles to get studio time, to be able to make music, to be able to distribute. Why isn't there an idea? I think at that point, your point has actually been driven. The fact that you're saying that, oh, there's no inclusion. And the underperformance that we're experiencing in our country can be tied down to the fact that you are not being carried along. But we have seen governors who are young people who are not really doing really great. Because if you want to look at the age, I don't know if we should be having this argument about whether a performance should be about young or old. I'm thinking that performance should be about quality and personality, much more than whether it's old or young. Because you could also have young persons who would underperform and would not do different from what the older persons are doing. But let's get to some concerns that members of your group have actually raised in your group. Some older persons are saying that it's OK that they're willing to right the wrongs of Governor Boonee, and as long as he can resign as the Ketecha committee chairman. What are your thoughts on that? To be honest, from our perspective, he is no longer the Ketecha chairman. He does not exist as the chairman to us. His Excellency, Mehmalem Boonee, is honestly the executive governor of Yobes State to us. And that's how we view him. We will be naming a new Ketecha executive convention planning committee next week. We will be bringing out our zoning formula the week after. We know, I bet you, take it from us, we know that there will be no convention held in February until Mr. President assures us. Because we know that if Mr. President assures us, he has empowered us to be an integral part of the planning. When has the planning occurred? Where have they sat down? Where have the stakeholders come together? It's almost December. How is this going to happen? Out of 36 states that are supposed to produce 36 chairman, I believe I'm hearing in some quarters that there are over 90 chairman. How can you resolve this before a February convention without meetings and stakeholders meeting and hugging and reconciling? How is it possible? So the genuine steps that are needed for reconciliation are not being taken. Therefore, we know as young people that they've bamboozled us already. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Therefore, we're not going to be fooled three times, four times, no, no, no, no, no, no. We will do our own convention. We'll name our own CPC. We'll name our own zoning formula. And I bet you, because we name February, they name February. The moment we name our zoning formula, they will bring out their zoning formula. The moment we begin to try and book the Eagle Square, they will try and block the Eagle Square. But even if it means that anywhere in the country, in Abuja and FCT, that we have to get a good location to do it, we will do it. INEC will be there. We will bring all the agreed members together and hold this convention. We will head to court until we have the dialogue with Mr. President. We are not interested in sitting because we've been approached by various governors. We've been approached by various factions. We are not interested. All we are interested in is sitting down with Mr. President because that is the person that we trust. That is the person that gave us our mandate. That is the person that we believe because if you are not in the grand scheme of things, you would not know what is going on. So we know what is truly going on. We know that he's not receiving the right information. We know he wants me to. So let's talk about the crisis. Now, we have reported there are crises in about 12 states of the Federation. I mean, talking about the APC, could it be that this crisis, as a result of the non-involvement of Utah, Utah not being carried along? Could that also be the issue with all of this crisis that's brewing in the party? See, if young people were being carried along. Are you saying that that's the issue across 12 states? No, that's part of the issues. Part of the issues is not dialogue. Part of the issues is not having empathy. Part of the issues is not including young people, not giving us real roles and real positions. So when you bring in positions, when you bring people into the party and you suffer the existing structure and you impose a new structure, you're going to have problems. So what are the issues then in these states? You know, at the party, the different states, about 12 of them, the party issues that are going on. You're a member of this party, so I'm sure you have an idea. I know the party, different states have their peculiar issues. You have Zamfara, you have Oshun, you have different, again, depends on where you are. You know, that's where the problem occurs. And each problem is unique to its location, but I'll tell you what is the online compassing, leadership, the ability to keep to your word. If the CECPC had said that they were going to do it in six months and they did it in seven months, no one would be upset. If they had done it in five months or four months, the whole country would have been impressed. But in 18 months, they've conducted Congresses which was never their responsibility. They've carried out elections which was never their responsibility. They've carried out everything except what their name suggests. Therefore, from face value, it shows people that are not genuine in their intention. But if you delve in deeper, you now see the inclusion of people from other parties that don't actually bring value to us. As young people, we have sacrificed. As APC members, as APC stakeholders, all over young or old, we've sacrificed, we believe as businessmen. But yet the people coming are not the people who gave the sacrifice. So if you don't work for something, you don't understand the value of it. This is what is bubbling up around the country. The people that haven't worked for these positions are being given these positions and those who have worked for it are being abandoned and left aside. This is a problem with leadership. So you were right earlier when you said it's not just about being young and I'd like to touch that topic. Let's not shy away from reality. It's not about being young. Yes, there are some governors or some leaders that are young that are not performing. But yes, there are other leaders and governors that are young that are doing tremendously well. But what we should look at is the average. Don't pick one example and pour everything on that example. Look at the average of old people in office. How many people are actually old in office? How many are performing? 80% of the older people in office, X, failure. But you cannot say that about 80% of young people in office. It's about statistics. So if you put more young people and the empirical data will prove that the younger people will succeed. Look at this station right now. Look at the two of you. You are indicative of the young people. You're well spoken. You're doing very well. Nigeria should be proud of you. But how have our leaders empowered you? How have our leaders projected your growth? How have they created opportunities for you to flourish? But after a certain period of time, you would give up, you would be tired. You'll say, ah, Nigeria itself. But it is not Nigeria. It is the quality of people we allow in leadership positions. Look at Kaduna, for example. Look at the insecurity, for example. Look at what is going on in the express way. With the insecurity there, right? We should be focused on security. I will tell you that the only country, and I know why there's insecurity in Kaduna, because the only state in Nigeria that has figured out the formula of infusing young people and older people is Kaduna State. Anybody that has gone to Kaduna State and seen the infrastructure development have seen the young people in office. You have 20-something-year-olds. You have 30-something-year-olds. You have mayors. You have new positions. You have things that have given them the opportunity to flourish. I believe that if you have that Kaduna model around Nigeria, with over 50% of the people in office representing young people having capacity, then they will do well. So it is not about just young people. We're not saying no, young people. No, we are saying quality young people. I believe that together with other young people, this is why the Progressive Youth Movement has come about. The Progressive Youth Movement is about patriotic Nigerians, young Nigerians who were born into the country Nigeria, who knows the value, who loves Nigeria when Nigeria was Nigeria. I'll tell you something else, right? And I digress. But today, I listen to the speech of the Honorable Minister of Information. And in his speech, he said, these are tales by moonlight. You see, I'm the last breed of young people who know what that means, tales by moonlight. Majority of the young people today don't know what tales by moonlight is. So right there in that statement, there is a disconnect. Tales by moonlight was a show when we were tiny babies that they used to say, this is what he's referencing today. But how many young people know tales by moonlight? I do. So this is what I'm trying to say. There's a complete disconnect between the older generation and the younger generation that they are trying to lead. And we are that bridge. If more young people in this age bracket are not involved in leadership, Nigeria cannot get out of the quagmire it's in today. The APC cannot get out of the quagmire it's in today. And the fault is our fault. Where have we been? Why have we been quiet? If you look at the great leaders of old, named... All right, we seem to have a... Some disconnectionation. But he has indeed said a whole lot concerning how Nigerians and young Nigerians need to actually get involved. I think we have Prince Aodobaka. Let me try and get one question to you right now. I know the APC is actually in mesh in a lot of controversies right now. My colleague rightly said about 12 states. But with all of this and plans of parallel congresses, don't you think it would actually be like the party shooting itself in the leg and then exposing itself knowing that all other parties' opposition that is may want to peak on all of these bottlenecks within your party and then maybe use that against you? I honestly don't believe so. Like I said earlier, I honestly believe APC come 2023 is going to win with landslide victory legitimately. And the reason that the APC will win a landslide victory legitimately is simply because young people were involved. A lot of new young faces are going to emerge. You cannot make eggs. You cannot make scrambled eggs without breaking a few eggs. That's the truth. You cannot make an omelet, sorry, without breaking a few eggs. It's all possible. So all we are doing is going through the process of internal democracy. As young people, it's time for us to come together as a bloc, understand our power, understand who we are. This is why the governors, I tell you, look at all the complaints and issues you've heard about the APC in the last year and a half, 18 months since the CPC was formed. They never reacted to anybody. But 24 hours after young people came together and said we were declaring our convention in February, the governors, 20 of the governors came together and decided to do the convention in February. Why? Because they know that we are the strongest members of the party. They know that we have begun to realize our power in numbers. They know that if they do not take decisive action, as young people will realize that as the real stakeholders, the power belongs to the people. Because guess what? It's not who registers the political party that owns it because you must have a minimum number of people to be a political party. What does that mean? That minimum number of people are the shareholders, the stakeholders in the party. Right now, our number is 35 million out of 40 million. I'll let you do the math and tell us what percentage we occupy and tell us what percentage of copies. If that's some chair in use, I'll print out. And I actually think it is a good development that the young people are actually coming out to revalidate themselves and also re-register to be part of whatever political parties they may be interested in. But how do you, as the progressives on youth now, push it beyond registration? Because most times, from what we've seen in previous elections, the youth, they do lots of activism on them, social media. But when it comes to the election day proper, they would don't find as much youth as possible, see more of the elderly. And of course, women come out on master vote. Our membership drive has been running since Mr. President commissioned us in February, I believe. Sorry, January, I believe we're about 9.2 registered members right now to the Progressive Youth Movement. And we're growing, and we're beginning to understand that as young stakeholders, if we hold ourselves accountable. In the 700 and 74 local governments, we have representatives. They've been communicating with each other. And they understand that now is the time they need us. They need us for the electionary process. Look at it. They sit in the office. They know that what we lack is the resources. But guess what? I'll give you an example. Nigerian. All right, yet again, we seem to have some sort of this connector there, which I'm putting some order. But it has been some interesting conversation. Because I am young, and I am actually always captivated when issues of young people are brought to the fore. Indeed, we need to make ourselves more visible and more activated when it comes to handling the decision-making process. But for me, I'm looking at the fact that this is the APC, the ruling party. 2023 is here. And the fact that it feels like up until this moment, there's no convention for them. Like you rightly mentioned, this would not be added as a plus to them. And with all of the confusion that is actually ongoing in the different parties, I'm thinking that with this coming up as much as it's a good thing to say, yes, we're asking for youth involvement at the party level. We want key political position. Like we always say, dialogue is what it is. It's not like I'm actually trying to be an advocate or spokesperson of the APC right now. But one would expect that we should actually always find a better approach to solve this. But like you rightly mentioned, it could just be putting out, it feels like this is further dividing the party over and over again with all of this that's ongoing. All right, I don't understand if we have our debug. All right, let's just get your final words on this as we wrap up the show. We disconnected in just a few seconds. I'll just wrap up all your thoughts. Your advice for the young people in as much as there are skirmishes within your party, what are you saying to them as we wrap up? I'll just answer what she just mentioned before I wrap up. Basically, she's correct. Dialogue is the way forward. But we have leaders that right now we do not trust. The only person we trust is the president. So the only person that we're willing to dialogue with us young people is President Mama Dupuhari. Because if he gives us his word that this is what is in it for young people, then we believe he'll keep to it. So my final word to young people is take an example from what we've done. Everyone had an issue with the APC and the CCPC. All the factions that were there did so many things, but they never reacted. The only time they reacted was when young people came together to say they were holding their convention and they reacted 24 hours after. It shows you something. We have the powers. Let us stop being like a desiccant about the task at hand. Let us stop being lazy about the task at hand. Let us get involved. Let us come together and understand that the only way to real leadership is through political parties. There is no third force political party. The third force is young people. We are that third force. So let us come together and negotiate something for us. A way forward for young people to build a better Nigeria. In Nigeria, we can be proud of it. Thank you so much. We have indeed been speaking with Prince Mustafa Aldo, a former governor, Shibasparant in Kogi State. Of course, the leader of the Progressive Youth Movement, the APC. Indeed, we've been looking at political participation from the young people and, of course, Jack Hall for the resignation of the APC leadership and the Mala body. Well, that's so much we can take at this point in time. We hope you actually enjoyed the conversation. We will definitely return tomorrow. If you missed out on any part of the conversation, that's all right, to follow us on Facebook and Instagram. It's at Class TV Africa and on YouTube is at Class TV Africa Lifestyle. I am Messi Rukul. You have a great morning. And I'm Justin at Paddingham Standby for the news momentarily.