 Honor our group to thank you so much for coming on the show. Good to be here. It's been really nice Getting to know you and Getting to really feel where you're coming from and what you share with the collective Coming from honor, which we'll be talking about It's been also fun sort of getting to know about your desire to know What the nature of reality is and? Sort of the spark that Led you to that to realization and also to then sharing So I'd like to talk about that I'd like to talk about what sparked your interest in truth I'd like to talk about the patterns of consciousness that you've been seeing From the 50,000 people that you've impacted positively across the world and also what coming from honor is and It's been nice having you leave the sessions here the last two for no limit society And you've been sharing that like cleaning up is another thing that I feel like we'll talk about so let's um Let's go through the through that order. So let's start with truth So like what was it you were born in North East India you moved to Canada when you're four What was it that sparked your desire for truth? I don't know if I don't I don't think I've had any desire for truth a If there was a transition point that came out of universities started some businesses around my businesses With the real commitment everybody just really loving their time So my staff loved working there and my customers love didn't came in and you know Just want people to be happy and then then I did to develop myself did some courses in the world of personal transformation they go oh What was more important to me than the business of photography or design was people being happy and here's a business Just about people being happy. So I think I'll go to that and I've never thought about truth or not Just what would make life better for people and making life better for people can be synonymous with truth Is I just I also realized deeper into it. I have no idea what's true. I just know this is what I want to do So around university or so was the time that no after I started my business Cool, and then I when I did my first program in this area So in my business, I created I wanted people to be really happy This that and then I did some trainings and in that. Oh, wow, there's trainings There's work that's business. Just just about having people live better lives So it's probably a few years into for two three years into my business So, yeah simple just having people live better lives Happier try to make life better Go actually like that more than anything Making life better and this is another theme that Will come up is just the way honor rug just makes things simple And uses great analogies for it. Yeah, just simple making life better Okay, and then What did you see when you were That was maybe what 20 years ago almost 30 I've been doing this work for almost 30 years Yeah, cool so Sense so over these last three decades then you began seeing okay How do I make life better and what was sort of the beginning of what that was like of Of that and then how it's evolved now to just leave in a single word honor single intention Well, I started it's the first time I did, you know a person development program and then I saw oh, there's a There's some knowledge about Yourself that you can access that I didn't know before before I learned English math this that oh, there's a different type of education. Look at that and So I didn't go. Okay, good. Well, that's just like I enjoyed learning other stuff. I said that this I can want to learn more about this I was in the early 90s and So then I Did some more programs and then as people do and then I became involved in The Sorry getting a train to deliver as I saw that was what I wanted to do more of to do that work I moved through the ranks of training getting trained delivering delivering designing training trainers Developing like that and that because I could see always more as possible And then after 10 12 years of that 12 years of that I Hit kind of the top of there and I still saw more possible and I asked people Hey, do you want to let's in the no They wanted to deliver what they had not explore the next level But I could see more was possible and then I said on the path that led me here and That was I had a view When I stepped into that I saw that it was possible to make a significant impact in the world And I said, okay, that's what my life's about is to transform life on the planet And I thought I was doing it then After like ten years and I I thought of an idea and I thought stop and I said I had a view that because every week I'm doing programs working with others all the stuff other There's other things around the world that people are engaging in, you know And I go wow, you know, we're getting every day closer to critical mass more people are doing this something's gonna happen That was I was suspicion about my own views So one day had a thought and I decided I'm gonna do some math and I researched everything I could about it Every type of program like this. How many people are doing them? What's happening, right? And I took that number I doubled it because I'll obviously miss some and Then I look compared that to the population growth And I found that the population growth was a thousand times the number of people doing this kind of work And so actually we're not approaching critical mass. We're moving away from critical mass by a factor of 10 Every year But my arrogant view was because I was only looking what was around me. I felt like we were growing We're not that is a percentage. You get what I'm saying. Yeah, so you go. Oh, I Thought I was creating a tipping point But I'm actually what I'm doing is moving away from the tipping point So either I keep my word To make the difference on the planet or I revoke my word and just go back to making a difference and there are two different things And if I'm gonna make a difference, I know how to do it. I'm doing it if I want to make the difference I thought I was but I'm not so now I'm gonna have to figure out how So I decided to keep my word and then to spend and spent the time since then trying to figure out how Which which that is the path that led me to the honor because I wrote part of how is that it's got to be clear simple distinct So I've been working at the distillation and things like that. So that's one of the things That's the key thing that led me to to here. So when you're like 30 years ago, you're honing in on making life better and then you're seeing some of the patterns of Mostly would you say like people in business? No, I mean what I what I mean, I was in business Let me just think the things about it I wasn't looking for the patterns when I was in business when I was in business I was just happy guy trying to make life better for people when I did the Programs, I saw look at that these guys have an understanding of some of the patterns you and being when I went into that It went on to that first in the term of personal development And then it may trick it grew to organizational and then when I took on the world then I started to look and study for patterns But the beginning was just that my beginning was how to empower people and So initially when it's like personal development and how to empower people and then we'll get to the larger organizations in the world so that it was sort of around Empowerment and and what would that look like it would be like getting through a limiting belief Seeing oneself as powerful as able to make change. Yeah, I mean the things to me all of that didn't matter I didn't care. Whatever would make them happier. You know, there's a long list of those things if you're in the moment It's what does that person need? What's in the way? It's like I was never that complicated for me about what are all these different? I just fuck I don't care. It's like what What will set this person free? Let's find it Nice, okay Okay, so then what will set this person free? What will make them happier? So it's usually an orientation towards the person's intention for what they find to be happy or freedom. No Most time I discovered they were wrong about that Most of the things that people were chasing would not leave them happier and free It would what would authentically actually leave them happy and free whatever that is So there's a philosophy around it at the same time. It's still complicated to me, dude It's like this people think oh, and I get that car then I'll be happy and they get the car. They're not happy Right, so it's it's just Not we don't have I don't have any interest in any of that terminology There's just actually doing the work and understanding what actually these people joyful and free and having them In fact, the thing is most reason they're not is because they think these things do and they're working on those things They're not even working on their joy and freedom. They're working on other things They think we'll give them that but don't Yeah Is it different for different people? Yeah, some of it is and some of it's common for everybody But it's actually hey, let's get to it and let's get you oriented Some of it is to get you actually realizing. Hey, oh that won't do it for me What really well and then let's figure out how to have that happen Yeah, yeah, that's that's the component that I was hinting at because there is a At the same time as it's the person becoming Seeking to be happier or more free. There's also Within what you're sharing with them is are you do you really feel like that car is gonna make you happy? I don't asking that because I wrote there. I already know it's not yeah, I'm saying dude That's not gonna do it. Yeah, so one of the things is here if you want to get this You understand I didn't take a flamethrower even to all the complexity with what you asked me these questions That's bad actually is in the way. Yes Yeah, I wanted to paint out at least somewhat of a It's for the audience to be able to see okay Well, this is sort of how like on Iraq sort of came to what he feels like is Is honor today? But I feel like we already that is it that is it it's like his honor is to have you go have you get dude All lots of that stuff you're working on, you know, what's not on is like fight Oh, let's help you get that stuff and do this and you pay me and I'll help you get that stuff And there's no honor in that so that this is that this is how I came to that It's like, oh, hey, let's help you get that watch people get that and then there weren't any happier go. Okay. Actually. Yeah, and you know and the thing is you could totally Harness a lots of business by having people get the things that they say that they want But leaving them no happier so the real integrity for me was okay, let's do the real work some, you know That is that what I'm talking about is actually I got there Okay, so yeah, it sounds like we should just yeah go right into the the heart of it then even more so so that's probably enough of a Story that sort of got to to where you're at So you like you said take a flamethrower to the complexity. Yeah, and So then let's go straight at the heart of it, which is you Have shared that you feel like there's five core areas for people to clean up like where they're coming from Like your physical space your relationships the administration of life health and fitness your state of being and When you clean those up Incrementally one by one you sort of level up they get more challenging over time more subtle and You can sort of tell that you feel more free you feel more happy you feel like you're more able to serve others Yep. Yep. Yeah. Okay, and so this is the distillation of those patterns that we were sort of talking about over the couple of decades and So you say for For people that That want to be in service The first thing is clean up Just do the work. Yeah, it's like yes, you know, the the thing about it is So let's talk about some patterns, right? So one of the patterns that got revealed You could say there's this thing of people just being self-serving And that's a pattern of how their Grades in the world and do this and take care of yourself And then there's this bet then this you get into some people make the the transition some people just are that way Oh, the world of what looks like being of service But it's not it's about doing things for others, but there's a sacrifice element a martyr element Doing it to look good to others or even just to yourself or to feel good Truly service. There's none of that. It's simply now. So what happens is I Discovered one pattern, which is that? Discovered many but here's a core one, right? so What it was interesting because I thought it was behind one thing, but I just I have a view now It's behind everything which is whether it's about being self-serving or whether about the Sacrificial service of others or validation service of others There's a state of being in within oneself that is not completely in peace Completely in peace and quiet, right? And then we do then we go. So then how do we what do we do to? compensate for or Help us feel better against that this quiet So we may go chase things for ourselves cars and drinks or sex or this that or See, this is the part that's subtle and I own this all of this is my view But then actually coming from there going to make a difference of others is the same thing is a car Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, it's just offsetting that this quiet It's just a different drug So I saw oh my god this pattern arose like how come this and how come they're still not completely at peace and satisfied How come this and oh, it's all coming down to the same thing So I did all this work to help people to say achieve this here in business or achieve this in service and it's still There was a lack of total peace still they could get knocked off their game So I guess just still down further and what's behind what was the common elements? Well, and I realize oh There the things that we are not Absolutely at peace with in our life create a set of actions for us to compensate for that And then I realized that I was actually doing people a disservice by giving them more ways to compensate And hide from that which really I believe needed to be done We just clean everything up have your life in a state where when you look at every corner of it You go. Yes, I'm good Then I trust what comes next because that what comes next is a creation purely by choice not a reaction to that Which is unsettled in your life That's what I think one of the most critical patterns that reveal itself by it by working on every every line of action or outcome I could think of a business outcome a personal outcome service, you know like every and none of them all of them still left something missing because That what was what we call the cleanup there was was was not everything was not a hole in the background Let me actually give you a book an example. It stands out for me So You know what something is not a hole and then I'm trying to do something to make a difference for you I'm doing it for myself So I can feel better. I remember I was doing this leadership training For a colleague of mine, so would you come in and do a session and I came in he said these are you know Doing work like this people want to be developed in leadership and this woman was talking about a frustration at her office She saw there's a one of her coworkers is struggling with something and she keeps trying to use this stuff and give her what will make a difference And she she keeps pushing back and I was listening and listening. I go. Oh Notice your frustration. She said yeah, that's because you Want to make the difference you want her to get it? Why so you can feel like I did it It's not even about her Because she's like I can't get the woman's dealing with this stuff. I have stuff that helps you will not listen And then she we went into it and she went the next week to talk to that woman apologized for to her for Wanting to support a fixture for her own you know self-worth and that's not you know for her I'm sorry. I was talking like this is about you, but it was really about me And I wanted to what did you to get it so I could feel like I won And it was really about me and And so she all she did was say that and clean it up and leave her alone And she said that the woman came to her the next day and asked her for her support. You had the difference. Yeah It's easy to hide out and be more justified in her behavior when what we're doing is of of Helping others, but if it's still about us, it's still all the same thing at least from my view. Yeah. Yeah, this isn't now I feel like we're Really diving into the heart of it So You gave The example where you look around and you feel like your life is clean you feel like You are, you know purely expressing yourself in service And you're not doing it for self-interest. You're doing it actually to serve other people and to serve the planet and in that Cleaning up is like polishing the diamond. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and We have had a good amount of Content on our channel about spirituality and the nature of reality. So just, you know briefly to say that The mud on the diamond is like being caught by illusion being caught by separation Being caught by your lowercase s self And the polishing of the mud Is to see true nature to to see all as you and So so then you I was slightly different view of it, please which is I would say to see more clearly But I don't know if I ever get to true nature or what is I think that's a bit assumptive and arrogant Every time I get more clear Then I see what was off about how I used to see it. Why do I think now is the truth? All I have evidence for is that I'm always wrong And or yeah, no ground is another way to Yeah, yeah, so incrementally gaining more insight into nature that I would say yeah nice okay, cool and So insight plays a role In purifying where you're coming from but also just cleaning up itself Catalyzes Purity and where you're coming from that's my experience. Yes. Yeah, and it does so more than insight You do find that to be significant in difference. Yeah, or actually I could say it's a hundred percent different Like insight doesn't produce anything actively applying insight does yes And when you're cleaning up, it's just active So it's a hundred percent impact insight is zero percent impact Insight acted upon with honor is impact, but insight is zero impact Cool, I can actually demonstrate that insight can have a negative impact because if you have an insight and then you don't act on it You actually now making and then make yourself wrong for not acting at it and thinking about it and stuff like that You've actually diminished your let your energy This reminds me a lot of when we've had all these different scientists in their fields on our show as well Many of them say that they're sick of writing Papers that only a couple handfuls of other scientists around the world can understand So they begin the same things like applied neuroscience. So how do you take and? Apply the insights that you're gaining from the scientific advancements into the actual fabric of the world in relatable ways And so that that rings a really true is your insight needs to be Applied it's like applied insight or applied cleanup Really resonant and then that's playing and so this is another great analogy that honor I've been using a lot is soccer or like playing the game like the applying insight is playing the game applying clean Up is playing soccer. Yeah, otherwise if you could imagine that you went to you know for me coming watching this Going to a workshop, whatever. It's like in a soccer game is like the locker room It's not the game. Yeah, it's a locker room Now imagine if you always went to the locker room and never got on the field Why are you doing it? Yeah, what's the point? Does it have value? Yeah, if you come out of the locker room and apply the strategy otherwise it would be weird Yeah Yeah, we're watching film could be another example It's like that you just watch film and watch film, but you never go and apply it in the game. Yeah It's what why are you doing it? You could say I'm just should be entertained, but then just say that But the locker room and that that's not for entertainment that's for the game Okay, great. This is an awesome distinction. So we have because many of us have come from a place of suffering or have come from a place of wanting to live incrementally happier be at peace and The first thing that came was well I'm now I'm seeking and I'm seeking mostly like video content or books or retreats or whatever it is and then we we We find some sort of We find ourselves in some sort of process of well, when do I reach a threshold of applying the insights? That I'm learning from these different teachers or retreats or books content When do I take it from a passive place of consuming content to a place of actually applying it? and making a positive difference in the world and I like that that's that's the transition from like watching film seeking and watching film to Going and playing the game and then just transitioning more and more of your time to playing the game and The thing is though, I recommend and that's why I don't do all the traditional workshop anymore is I'm like don't come if you're not gonna play I'm interested in that transition that blah blah blah, but why are you even here? See the thing is when you're seven years old and you're going to the locker room, you're there to play you don't go, huh? I wonder why not apply what I heard in the locker room. Yeah, get the fuck over it. Why don't come if you're not gonna play Let's sort of have these long distinguishing Conversations because it's not necessary which is validates like there's some barrier in the way to just do it and I found what you said recently to be really helpful as well, which is that As I've went through my own cleanup in the last two weeks that you've been here that every single time that I make an incremental advancement, there's a Opening up. It's like peace and happiness open up Not only for myself, but for who I'm like especially in like the relationship one then peace and happiness also opens up for them, which is beautiful and Then almost with either right away or within a couple hours or the next day It's like the next level shows up where I remember or like the next thing in the room to clean. That's right. It showed straight And so then it's having courage and fearlessness, which you talked about in mere talks episode 12 with Bintino and It to take on the cleanup itself and I think it would probably be helpful because I do think that our audience Overlaps quite a bit with with Bintino and no limit society But also does not and so I do think that it would be beneficial for those that do not To get a taste of what is being shared At no limit society by maybe having you Break down in a little bit of detail at least What the those five things that we covered what are some like classical examples for people in those five? Sure, I mean, let's take your physical space, you know, so I tell people, you know, look around you, you know, and If it's not a hell yes, it's a no what you start to see is like well what look at everything I'm okay with all right fine, which is fine. Then you can have an okay life There's nothing wrong with anything right, but if you are committed to something It's very Whatever, you know flourishing vital alive, then you will only have in your physical space, which is that So that would that would look like oh, you know, this isn't or that might look at that replace that Cord that is that you keep having to jiggle Or clean up the entire garage Or get rid of that thing Right, like, you know, it's like have look look at your stuff. Look at your space Maybe you have to move maybe you're living in the wrong place Yeah, this is like a button. Why you have a choice in life And you go, okay, got it. This isn't it, but I don't have the This or there's okay. Good. They make a commitment. I'm going to now start looking for that I'm gonna start read it. I got that there's different circumstances But we are very proud we're intentional beings if we really really intend something we'll go make it happen So, you know, you want to say well, I don't have the Resources to do this tomorrow. So I give up on it, you know, no This is you have this is the rest of your life. Have everything be hell. Yes And you can do that. There's three ingredients to that if it's not a hell. Yes, it's a no to get rid of it or Modify it so until it becomes that Like you could you know modify your space, right until it is that or you can alter your relationship to it To go, what is this? You know, you could not change a thing But you know really shift and go this this is what it provides the gratitude for it or any combination of those and Honor is critical because you go you really know you should change it But you don't want to do the effort But so that you're going to pretend that you're altering your relationship to it, but you're really not So that makes sense. Yep So You know and so you have to let that would take you where it takes you Many years ago I had this big house in Vancouver But it was very intentional But it didn't I didn't I have no desire for big house, but I was using it for this community events I was using it and then suddenly that work was done and I and I keep going I'm only going to have what is aligned So I started to get rid of and then I ended up not only with not a big house But end up with only two bags in the motorcycle and nothing else for the last five years Because I don't hold on to stuff and I don't come from my mind I go with what is aligned with who I am at the highest level right now And it changed from this to this and what we thought my and life is magical It was magical when I was there because it served something and it's magical without any of it because it serves something So you have to look at your that that and your so there's your physical space Your right space around you your stuff your car whatever right and as I've shared before I even go like I only have two bags And so I have only so much room and I have every I have a handful of t-shirts Which I so every love every one of them If everyone I pull out makes me smile You go I'm saying so you could do that everything you have what why do that because you can you could have Just stuff or you could have the everything you own be very useful and make you smile so choose right So you know that you know the administration of your life you like I should do that I should do those taxes or I should like you know I'm avoiding this my email like you know, but oh by the way on that physical Clean out your computer thousands of In the spring I deleted like 5500 photos People don't even think of that but your computer is your physical space. Yeah, and Hundreds of files and hundreds of emails and wow, it's so lazy Who thought that that would make as much difference is cleaning up my room or whatever. It's like whoa, I felt so good afterwards Do you know I'm saying then people like me? Yeah, but whatever I said, okay Well, if your room if your house was as cluttered as your computer What they go I wouldn't walk into it. Yep If I that much useless stuff in my house, it would be horrible. Okay. Well, that's your that's your life It's a physical space and include, you know look in places you might not think like your computer, right? Especially given how much of our lives are computer based now So it's physical and digital space. Well, digital is physical. I Call it whatever you want, but that's your space. I I hold it like your physical space. It's like there You know files and photos are physical phenomena and just see how it makes you feel I like that No, just do it. Yeah, do it. Just do it do it regardless of how you feel I'm just telling you how it felt, but you know when you're on the soccer field chasing the ball You don't go do I feel good? You're just playing Afterwards you end up going hey, that was great But mostly what part of why it was great is you didn't care how you felt you were playing you're doing for that And then relationships relationships you want to go through, you know Uh, hey again the same thing. It's a hell. Yes. If it's not Remove the relationship or alter it or alter your relationship to it Right, you'll see. Oh, wow, these people are not aligned with me. I hang out, you know, or you know, like Last year in the in the pandemic hit and they went and uh spend four months with my mother and sister You know, I work to alter my relationship We have a good relationship, but there's still those ways. They know you I'm going Huh, we all agreed that it's okay to be somewhat of that's your family But I really took it on and I took on moving any ounce of annoyance And now nothing my mother or sister say even though sometimes it could be what we had called stupid stuff or whatever I don't have any orientation. So now I love having a joyful In gracious experience of them no matter what they say or do or did they fight or whatever So I'm not getting rid of my mother and sister. So I alter my relationship to by the way, that's not a rule People go ask family. Yeah, no, but people walk away from their families. They go This is toxic for me or whatever. It's just that you don't get to have a complaint cleaning it up You give what I'm saying means that You don't you Don't stay in complaint about it. You either leave or clean it up, right? You you may have a resentment or upsets from the past You take responsibility you Make sure they know what you're grateful for with whatever it is. There's lots of different things. There's all those different Methodologies about impacting relationships Apply them find the one that's right. But yeah, go through every relationship till you're like a hell Yes, about my state of my relationship anything that has you is in the way of it being a hell yes Know it and work on it and get it cleaned up what we've done is we've learned how to live with What's not that? Yeah But yet in areas something it's really read that we really love or it's really important to us We don't allow for that. It's always a fuck. Yes when it's really important to us when it's really important It's like that some people, you know, they love their cars and make sure it's like this Some people like the room some people like the music whatever it is when you really like something You don't put up with any crap in it. Yeah And then you go, I love that well because you don't put up with any crap in it Right, so you do that with relationships, you know do that like I said with with your Notice if there's any aspect of the administration of your life that you're avoiding doing that because it's bothering you And you get used to it Everybody who's listening knows that sometimes they were avoiding it. They got it done and they go. Yeah Oh exactly Right, then, you know, and your your your health and fitness, right? Uh get clear about what's right for you Start doing it And then there's a story about how difficult it's not difficult Also It helps to find out what's right for you because a lot of people are suffering from my perspective again all of this one by Not really knowing what's right for them But thinking from what's being said out here what should be right for them They keep trying to match up to something that's out here And actually very different things you're right for different people So you want to slow down Get grounded And it's okay. It doesn't have to be overnight. Just improve something a little bit every day Make progress Right, you go. Okay. Good. I think I'll just uh eat a little bit every day. I think I'll just Add a little bit of movement. I'm not even going to exercise. I'm just going to do this just add something get Reliable at that and some people you can dive right in you can go I'm going to do this and I'm going to get some buddies and we're going to start working out regularly or whatever it is But you can gracefully and joyfully do it at the gradient and pace that it's actually not a problem for you Most of people hear this and go I got to fix it all tomorrow and then they fail and say No, take take a year take two years gradually build it up for the rest of your life to be perfect Yeah Yeah, I love that. So it's also um seeing the cleanup as a Uh foundation For this one or two years of work as a foundation for the rest of your life to come from a pure place. Yes Love that. Okay. And then so admin you said just classical Administrative things of your life things like taxes or things like whatever you need to do for your business or for Passports. Yeah, all that stuff. Yeah cool Yeah, I like how you mentioned this gradient and health and fitness. That's really good To not be overwhelmed but to take things. Yeah incrementally Some people might want to go all out right away. Some people want to just take it really slow This one the last one state of being Or ontology we've It's sort of uh is like awareness In a sense. Well, I mean, but yeah, I mean it starts with awareness But then you again like in say you have to act on it, right? So It's like, okay. So cleaning up your own state of being is oh, what am I resenting? What am I upset about? What do I regret? What am I irritated about? What am whom I'm blaming like all these different things the thoughts that keep coming in your head and stuff so it's cleaning all that out Such that you're no longer upset about anything So you're no longer irritated by anything. So you're no longer blaming it. So you're no longer whatever right all these different things Is you start to you know, you're no longer making yourself wrong about stuff You're you know, you you start to develop a state of acceptance and so you're creating a clean space over here And again, that takes some time and you know, like I tell people you take you do four years of university to prepare you for the rest of your life If Relax take a couple of years. This will make prepare you better for life than probably anything else you can do from my perspective right Yeah, and this also goes to what we talk about quite a bit at nls from the law of one material Which is know yourself accept yourself become the creator So a real deep Passion for you spend four years in university like you said, well, what would it look like if You really knew the patterns of of your life Like you had so much awareness that you became aware of where you were coming from and why you were acting the way you were acting and Just accepting yourself fully as you are and as a reality is And I think with state of being and It just if it really feels like that's where you can tell that the cleanup has landed Is that your state of being shifts does into more peace? Yeah, and all of these things impact each other You know you clean up your administration your state of being cleans up you clean up your state of being suddenly you find no resistance to Doing your exercise like you know i'm saying it all It all impacts and it actually starts to get a momentum. It actually gets easier as you go Just like after you know and when you're learning to ski you fall down a lot But the more you get it the easier it is to stay up and then you can instead of trying to stay up Or get back up like getting like so here we are in life And we we go these amazing experiences like peak experiences We try to get back up to them when we can for me That's like trying to get up on your skis versus if you do this work You start to feel how to stay up and then occasionally you fall down And you but the more you stay up the more that you stop looking at trying to stay up You start to look at the landscape, which is the world and you go wow I can go here and here and you get better at now you can go more and more places and you just you craze your hills Because you have developed the capacity over here And it's exactly like that And take a couple of years because then you'll be able to ski anything or Navigate any situation in life the way that this For me and in my experiences that especially with this like skiing analogy is that you know, I find myself here Oh, sorry, let me just add something because sometimes people get annoyed with me with a sport analogy fine playing the guitar Practice practice practice practice they didn't go play anything Then you know that you can hop into a band and just so you know just some people and I understand capacity that that some of that that analogy maybe It's in line for people, but you can like there's Yeah, it's the same thing with playing an instrument being a painter whatever You know like that whatever find it in your in you use the thing, but you practice that thing And then you can play So practice practice ski ski anything practice being you know your instrument play any kind of music Hop into any situation and I can play Do you got what I'm saying? Yes, just to round out. Yes, and and I do understand that sometimes I may you focus on But I I want you to know It's not a sport thing. It's a grounding integrity And capacity to play thing Yeah, okay. Yep. Yeah Yeah, and the other analogies you gave another one's like cooking and gain a bit more and more Sensitivity to different ways to cook at higher and higher levels is sort of like training for like an olympics or Like for the symphony in the city that you're in or whatever you're going for the highest for the highest levels And that's why I was you know I was tying this to I've been here since august with team in amsterdam And it's really clear that the reason why he came here was to do the work So that I could have a cleaner foundation for actually being a shepherd for actually purely serving which is honor for me pure services is honor and Without a doubt it's becoming more clear that I'm skiing in greater difficulties Yeah, and and I and I and I feel like that's a great that's a great way of viewing it is that You're you're basically well at least I am in this case from my perspective seeking the ability to more to detect the more subtle ways that humans express themselves and help people that want to Feel more peace more happiness more freedom Uh That they actually want to serve the collective and then when they seek that for me to actually be able to In a way that's empty of self-interest serve them. And so being here is exactly what has enabled that for me And it's enabling most of no limit society to train in that way Through the cleanup to become better shepherds if you um, you know talk about symphony or the the olympic soccer team, right you um Say you start to play Instrument of sport, you know sometimes when you're young you can have a person that's really a stand stands out, right? They've got these really good scales and they just dance around everybody go. Wow So the cleanup we're talking about is what we call the ontological conditioning the conditioning of self Right, it's a foundational integrity If you're there and you're playing in public school and you're like Running around because you're the rock star your high school. Well, you're kind of standing out but not quite as much in their university See and then the thing is If you don't if you go sometimes people were so good they get away without doing their conditioning You know their cardio and stuff now your skills hide that But the further up you go, yeah The more it gets revealed and you can have all the best skills in the world, but then the country you're conditioning Allow doesn't allow you to keep up with the game. So it does not matter but If you bring your conditioning up and up even higher suddenly these skills come out like boom You know, you can have like really good, you know, uh natural skill the instrument, but then at some point if you're not practicing Right it's going to show up so we can Learn all this stuff By the way, every single thing that I talk about I might say you them as like that Every single thing that I talked about is what I saw in myself Each step is where I saw I was full of shit. Yeah, so I was you could say I was as I got interested in this work Learned a lot right a lot and I could talk about it really well Yeah Like a little kid being able to run around people right likewise, but I had not done the work to embody it and so I could talk circles around anybody And a boy was like I look I'm like I'm so full of shit anyways, so but then I in it, but then I really got am I here to Play or not to make that difference and then to so then I had to I took on A philosophy of not teaching preaching or informing only being and sharing So I would I would work to I would not I will not discuss something to the best of my ability I'm perfect, but I catch myself but that I'm not either fully being Or I've declared I am not being it yet and I'm at work on it And here's what I'm discovering about that right so if people Uh Do this work and they've done lots of courses and reading like that stuff will come out at a whole another power If they do the conditioning of alignment and on integrity Interesting. So usually when we use the word conditioning, we talk about the ways we've been conditioned by separation By location by a sense of self desires cravings aversions, etc But in this case you use conditioning in a positive way you condition yourself through repetitive honor repetitive A behavior that's empty of self-interest. Yeah, it's like being in good condition like physically You know, I've been good condition you're conditioning for the game, right? You're preparing like that. I mean from that perspective Yeah conditioning for the game. Yeah, so it's like that. There is I've been conditioned over here but then you know, so You have to do your physical conditioning to be able to even get on the field and play with that team This is that type of I'm creative causative conditioning. I'm developing myself. I'm strengthening myself Yes, like that. Yeah, cool I also really appreciated earlier when you talked about when you don't feel a background piece What you could say is this Sourcefulness this no thing this That then if you're not feeling that background piece everything you do is a compensation That's my view of it. Yes Yeah And you know just also to be clear At our human state somebody might be listening go. No, no, there's things that I do that are okay. Fine Maybe there's a few but don't use that as a way to escape the conversation You know, some people throw an argument in there So I'm saying things as a blanket statement as principle as generalizations. I realize that so Why I say this is because in the world of being effective, I would say this and then People would say here's the two things that aren't that. Well, okay. Good. You're passionate about skiing or painting. Okay. Okay, fine, but then Uh, so then they stop listening to the rest of it. Okay. What about the other 98 percent? Do you know what I'm saying? Not fully. Okay. Good. So I just realized as you reflected back to me what I said I said, yeah, every if you're not at peace everything you do is a compensation Is a reaction, you know versus a pure creation. Yes So somebody might stop listening to the validity of this conversation right now Because they say no, that's not true I have two things that I do that aren't that That aren't that aren't a compensation that aren't a reaction Oh, they may actually may actually have something. Oh, and I'm like, okay. Fine. Yes. You have a few things But it but the thing is in all of these things is to fall into what is the principle behind the speaking Yes, so I if I if I was more rigorous, I would say almost everything you do Maybe everything maybe not maybe there's a few things But where you get the power So what you but our identity sometimes wants to avoid dealing with it so it'll look for the one flaw in the conversation So we don't have to take it on. Yeah, so I just want to throw that in there You know, and I could also get more rigorous in how I speak. It's just okay Consider that just a lot of what you do is just a is a is a reaction And there may be there are things you do that are purely joyful and all of that But if you want to elevate you don't look where it's working. You look at where it's not so you can elevate it Yeah, and this is why you guys have used the phrase that I'm full of shit and that You know, Cory katuna has also talked about it like going on the offense and wanting to just assume like I am full of shit So now let's look go on the offense and I like how when you And ben have talked about this as well. It's like really going from a perspective of communication. Actually, I have a I have a good I have a good quote of yours on that on the subject which is that Communication is the biggest place where honor is put to the test Yeah I don't know if it's the biggest but it's At least a critical spot. Yeah, and this is really cool because it's where you're watching every word or intention Yeah Everything will be revealed like Yes, like I mean, there is no question that if you look at your communication No, let me say I could say that it's the biggest place But then I would come from my context which that everything is a communication because I also believe your action is a communication It's communicating who you are. What's important to you stuff like that, you know So it's not just words as a lot of people say, you know communication is only 20 percent verbal Yeah, everything will show up in how you are What you're communicating to the world because where you're coming from will get revealed in it Basically when you're talking It'll reveal itself because either you'll be Coming from a place that's empty of self-interest or you'll be coming from a place of self-interest And would you say that that's typically the most common distinction? I would yes You know, are you coming service or serving self? And it's also valuable to point out that that it's not As communication is not just words It is in the intention of your communication and it does come through for example I could have a sales script in front of me. That's really well done And I could read those words to you with the intention of trying to get your money so I can have a commission Right and that you will you will receive something whatever you however you it lands, right? I could also read those words to you With the intention of trying to help you and make sure that you are taken care of And that will land differently You get that yep, but I'll be reading exactly the same words So people it's a people should get that Because they go people go around just saying all the right words. Yes. Yes It's not that's the only part of the communication. Your intention is getting across. Yeah Yes, it's it's like talking about Oneness From a place of self-interest. Yeah. Yes We're from a place of non-embodiment. Yes from non-embodiment. Yeah, which which The symptomatic of that is self-interest or the source of that. Yeah, it's all yes. I mean You could it's all rigorously it's embodiment and one of the ways it shows up definitely self-interest. So they're connected, right? So when we talk when I talked when I talked All about this stuff with no with either no or a lack of embodiment, you know Or so, you know, uh, it was all feeding something in myself Yeah, would you this to get validation to feel better about myself about what I wasn't doing me too You know, and it was just uh still is sometimes coming up. Yeah. Yeah So, you know, I just saw that and the more I cleaned up. This is what this is what I love about the cleanup It takes more time But the shift if you really do the cleanup is instead of Knowing what you should do and not doing it try to make yourself do it creating structures to do it better accountability partners the beautiful thing about the core aspect of the cleanup Was I started to want to do the things that I thought I should do Yeah, that's fucking juicy. Yes. Yes. Yes. You see so I'm not embodied should be embodied I'm a moment like that But one of more I did the cleanup the more than I go I couldn't be with the lack of embodiment or it just felt right to do it And it was like, oh, that's the sweet spot But the work is the work the work is the work So you when you get into good so you're like I don't feel like chasing that ball or running or going up those stairs and you get in good shape you feel like chasing that ball you Take the stairs two at a time and it gives you life That's the different set it makes It's not linear That's the juice So like in a video game analogy, it would be something like where you are clear that going on the quest to do the cleanup is Going to take hours and it'll be difficult But that you're going to gain experience points and skills and gain a next level by doing it life force You know Everything. Yeah. Yeah. Your your whole thing of all the stuff you have just multiplies With which to take on the challenges they come next You gain excitement to do the cleanup itself. Yeah, you get momentum starts to move It starts to seem like the obvious thing to do You got to start you got to get into it otherwise the Subconscious patterns of how you speak and where you come from will govern your life Yes That's my experience So take the years now as especially like a foundation I love this foundational view you're you have your whole life ahead of you Yeah, I just sort of like something around this that I want to note to deepen so i'm just going to make that note, of course It's one of my favorite parts about Doing the the podcast is that whenever we feature people that there's a A deepening of what the guest is bringing forth And so it's not only for you for the audience and for your understanding of the subject matter that's being presented But it's also that the guests themselves gains deeper insight into what they are sharing based on the dialogue That we're having I love that component to it And if you're looking for a place also to do the cleanup in even more with an even greater amount of excitement around Igniting global awakening that no limit society is a great place to do that. It's the place to do it and Um, and you can find that that link in the bio below Um, so we have basically what honor agate has been sharing. We have that happening for um hundreds of people right now And it's so so so exciting and it becomes so much more Could you share with us the uh insight that or the deepening that you're excited about? Well, I just read the thing it's it's what I already said um that you start to want to do The things that you know, you should do but what I realized is that we didn't put that in With the end out with no limits And I think it's an I think it's a valuable point You know, so sometimes I've been coming from something for some time uh, but it's Uh Because what I'm doing every single day is is is Is doing this work and so I start to body it and sometimes I don't know what I haven't said Yes, right. So as I just said it to you as I as I find it to one of the most powerful things of this work Is that shift of letting go it stops being strategic to try to get those things done to what you desire Got some cool. Shit, which people don't I didn't even think was possible I thought I was gonna struggle with these things and I realized oh, I didn't get that That's just natural for me, but I didn't get that in and I think it's powerful to get in With the community. That's what I was making a note of love that and so what came up for me as we were sharing there was that um Most recently Right after I did one of my core relationship cleanups Which you could say is like a game within the game So doing so then you get excited about playing that game You're not I I'm not excited for the end of the phone call where I'm doing the cleanup of the relationship Thing I'm not excited for the end of the call. I'm excited for the call itself Which is the game the game and so then immediately what opened up was the next Deeper harder person that I had to have a phone call with yes, and I got excited to play that game Just like you get excited to ski a harder hill Or you get excited to learn a more difficult piece of music Yes, see Then you can shift your relationship to life where there's not things that you're avoiding They're just Joyful demonstrations of your that you're playing at higher level like oh I suddenly I can lift this weight effortlessly so I put on a heavier weight Something that I that I struggle with but I feel great about it because it's a sign of my progress and my strengthening That is exactly it Well, if I and one of the things also That I feel isn't has value Is if you know, uh One of the pieces of work that I get a lot from is Lao Tzu on the way. Yes, and I really got One day. Oh, yeah, he called it the way or the path. He didn't call it the destination or the Oh, so I tell people just another way of saying what you're saying is I said listen Be on the path or do this work because you enjoy it Or enjoy doing it if you have fine thing it has value and uh so, you know, I Many years understood intellectually this thing about there's nowhere to get but they also thought there's somewhere to get and then I actually Landed in holy shit. There's nowhere to get. Yeah And I didn't stop growing. I got it like oh so if I Like to ski or cook or play an instrument I really enjoy it. I really enjoy I would go out. I learned to snowboard when I was a beginner I really enjoyed it when I was an intermediate, right? I mean you don't go. Oh, I'm not an expert yet So I'm not going to enjoy it yet. Yeah You have some people have had the best times of their lives on a ski vacation when they were a beginner skier Did they want to get better? Yes Do you get what I'm saying? So I really invite everybody to get oh if you're here Be here and have a ridiculous have as good time as you're humanly capable of right now Not have it get better just have right now your full joys available right now It's because in fact most of you can look have you ever had magical times in your past? Yes Had you done this development yet? No, so it's not contingent on that So don't save it If you're on the path going this is a path. I love I love this and I'm going to yes, I'm going to get better But because I love the game of that Not because there's somewhere to get Yes And I think that I think that that's a I've found that to be very valuable for myself Yeah, and I love the simple example of have you felt Ecstatic or have you felt just the miracle of life itself before you did the work and the answer is yes, and so that is Yeah, or even any time before right now. Yes, which means that you don't need any more For that because you already demonstrated it's possible for you Okay, this was also Really cool. So I've also had the the fortune of being able to watch the honor retreat that Honor agon bantino did and that will also be made available soon for for people to be able to access and view and that During that and I think also during nls. You guys said that One of the most powerful States is when you're constituted as something. Yes. So when you're constituted as filling the blank in this case honor that is What you That's what you keep in a sense at the in your north star position at the top Actually when you're constituted you no longer think about it. You don't think the alternative is not an option Lao too said this thing. He said, you know The the person of integrity has no attention upon their integrity. Therefore, they have integrity It has no intention. Oh no attention. Oh attention attention on their integrity. Therefore, they have integrity Yeah, the person who has Uh attention on their integrity, uh, you know, therefore lacks integrity I would say against his standard. I lack integrity. Most people think um, I have a lot of integrity um and um So but it's not a judgment, you know, it's like, okay, I'm I attend it to it But when I am it I will no longer attend to it the option Is any any any alternative is not an option And I'm like, um, it's becoming a habitual way of living and it's actually I don't think about it a lot But I still do sometimes Which means I'm not fully surrendered to it. Do you get what I'm saying? Yes. Yes. So the constitution You know, I asked I asked somebody, you know, you have children. Yes. I said, well, they start they go No, so what if you have no money? Well, they start for no. What do this know? Oh, because it's not an option Yeah, could it physically happen in reality? It's could but you're constituted is that it's you'll do anything It is just not an option, you know, and so and therefore you don't think about it Will you give us more examples of ways that people subconsciously are Constituted in ways that they don't even know like not letting your child starve is a great one And what's do you have other ones? I mean, I don't think more are needed. Uh it's you know, it's The thing about it is and it's it's well, you know, here's what's funny. So I guess like, yes, let me say this That's a good question. Like I because some people can go. Yeah, but that's Because you have kids and stuff like that. So I think it's important to note It is a choice people because not a choice. It's my children know some people You know leave their children on doorsteps or let leave them in dump Like I can show you all these things where people have abandoned children not fed them all sorts of things So, um, so it's a choice to not be constituted that way Yeah, like the thing is people go. Oh, but I didn't that's see I think that's your fullest powers when you're constituted and but people go. Yeah, but I didn't do that I'm just had a baby. You know. Yeah. No, you did. Yes, because there's people who didn't Right. So people get all serious about it. And you know people go Uh Yeah, no, let me let me feel flush this out a little bit. So, you know, uh, I would be coaching people And they were business was high like and they would go they were so busy and jammed And you know, they weren't balancing your life. I can't I can't do I just don't have the time I just don't have the time I just like, you know, I'm so jammed and I go, okay. Well If your if your brother uh died tomorrow as a funeral was in a different country, would you go? He goes, yes Why? Suddenly you can do it. You don't even have to think about it. I will be there. You do what's important Yeah, your brother was getting married and you're the best man. Will you go? Yes But you didn't even think how a minute ago you told me you couldn't figure out how to do Anything you couldn't figure out how to work out or this or go to visit, you know, but suddenly you'll be at your brother's wedding That's important. No, it's not because there's people who don't There's people who don't go to the funeral There's people who don't go to the wedding You're choosing that and you don't you you don't so if if I'm there, okay, you go, but yeah What what if you don't have the money to get there fine? I'll go you don't go It's only a question of how not if It's only a question of how not if only how not if that's when your constitutionalized You never the if is not a question. I will get to that wedding. I'll do this. I'll borrow money to get there It's only I will keep I will keep handling the how until I'm there I think people that's important. I go, okay. Well when I was Had my first business and I was Working seven days a week and I was doing two or three all nighters a week And I literally couldn't have time to see my girlfriend my parents nothing And I was like I I can't I can't I can't I can't and then when my favorite band The Who was doing their final concert in Toronto suddenly I was gone for four days, right? And you go that's not a wedding and that's not this because I made that important I made that important. There's lots of people listening who they were. I don't have time. I don't have money I don't have this. I don't have suddenly you fall in love and you're going away for the weekend You know suddenly you're like there's no way I'm not showing up for that girl or guy or whatever suddenly boom Because you made it important in the all the pop the option of not going Didn't exist. Yes Cool. So we have that compassion within us. It's easy to say. Oh, it's feeding my children. Oh, no, you do to get laid So that's when you could say you're fully polarized To service to others or towards honor. You're constituted as you are that the up. Well, the alternative is not an option Yes, yes, doesn't even occur as an option attention on integrity is no longer There Yeah, because you would not you wouldn't not consider anything else What but ten you and I both found was at the beginning Uh, it took work to live with honor because you had to think about it You it's this what I do. I should do this or this or this And the more you keep choosing with honor and then suddenly it flipped to way easier And what what it flipped was when you realized there was no question what you were going to do It suddenly your mind gets quiet suddenly everything flows the beginning. It's hard It's this and that and it takes more effort or time or money or I don't work with this client or You know have to do this milk properly or and then but a lot of that isn't the struggle itself And then when you give up the option You're I I don't have You already know when I show up there. I've already know that I'm going to act with honor So I don't sit around think about it. Yeah That's what that's my experience And I I find what you share in your experience to be really relevant Resident to what I'm experiencing Which is kind of like what you're saying where you're you're showing up and you still have At in awareness the idea of honor or it as a north star And that over time you're becoming more and more clear at more and more subtle levels Um when you come from honor versus when you don't and then over time you it becomes more and more painful to not come from Yes, yeah, and then that hurts your heart your spirit Enough to where you're like enough of that enough of that. I'm done with that. I'm done with that It pops up as like a thought advertisement to engage in a more self-interest style way and you're like no And then over time those thought advertisements become Let they pop up less and less because you're not selecting them You're selecting the frames you with your choice the ones that are around honor the ones that are around service And it really also helps to see the the other as another self With the all is you because when you when you begin seeing it as the one infinite intelligence talking to itself or dancing with itself playing with itself With no separation at all um You it changes the way that that insight if applied Changes you forever And it it's just it's so important to applied Awakening is so important. Um, and it's done through this cleanup and Yeah, it's just it's so resonant and then it's it stops showing up. It's just you're constituted as it and yeah Yeah, it could be I have a theory that if we're ever Either we don't I don't know. I mean how do I say it could be that the only program that we ever need is useful Is to do how to do what you know, you should be doing program Doing what you should be doing doing what you know, you should be doing. You know, you should be doing Maybe we don't need anything else And then if we all started doing that then the next generation would grow up inside of that And you wouldn't even need that program because that's just how we live life. Okay. So there's this is a really common Choice point for for people and I still experience this as well Is that you you should you should do what you should you know, you should be doing Meaning that there's the choice point and it's either you eat unhealthy or you eat healthy or you Do something that's distracting You from doing the cleanup that you're actually you're supposed to be doing or you do the fucking thing up everything that you Know you should be doing that aren't doing is where your suffering comes from It's it and if you're doing everything you should be doing you're gonna feel great Then and this will happen. This is my speed. There's a there's one layer in there Which is some of the things that you think that you should be doing really aren't true to you But you inherited them from outside So there's there's also some little cleanup in What is where did this should come from? But then I then you can analyze that but I discovered another interesting thing When you start to do the cleanup you start to get more clear about your shoulds And the false one starts to show up more clearly So if you just go to the cleanup even that gets cleaned up Does that make sense? I feel so okay. Okay. Yeah So you're what you should be doing get cleaned up. Yes like like There's things that you know, you should be doing like oh, I should exercise more but then you start to see Oh, I should exercise this much and it's come from outside and it's some ideals out here And actually that's not you know, and you but as you just start doing all of the cleanup you go No, no that or that's this or my parents think I should do this or those So I should do this and some of that's coming from here from from fault standards you made up from The what's in our environment to wanting to please others and stuff like that and then Because people rightly can say to me goes. Yeah, but you know some of you know, those are not healthy shoulds You're right. Absolutely. But then that if you already know that one Then you shouldn't do that then you know you shouldn't go that way, right? So if you really just keep doing the work and get more present it'll sort of self out But people want to figure everything out before doing the work versus doing the work is what figures it out so I saw in myself that my Constant analysis to figure it out When there was yes, it wasn't I wasn't clear about all of it But there were things in front of me that I was clear of that I could start with And I realized that my that most of my figuring was to avoid starting with the things that were already clear Because that they were already that way because I was avoiding them to begin with So start with what's clear and I promise you the other stuff will continue to get clear And this is something that I mentioned on our last Kata guides call. So these are sort of the people in nls that are Helping lead the groups of like 15 or 20 Members that are going through the process of cleaning up And becoming free agents in ignition of global awakening And it's that the process like anurag just said it ends up creating more and more Feedback onto itself by getting started Next levels show up and so when the K does it's becoming clear that as people are doing the cleanup They're like, oh, yeah, I just cleaned up this part of my relationship And now I show up this way and another person goes wow that's so useful for me because now I can apply that in my process and that So it's like an organic cleanup. It's like a living breathing cleanup that's happening with hundreds of people and it's It's nice because it's it's also like really hands off in the sense that it's just It's it's just doing itself because people have set the intention To be more constituted as purity as honor And then it does it just shows up in the containers. It just it uh You know like ping-pongs between uh between people they share really relevant Ways that they've been cleaning up and how it's helped their state It really helps that people share you know the sharing gives it life Sharing normalizes it in the environment. So the environment is raised Sharing gives other people a way to see how to impact something that they didn't know how to do it And sharing also goes. Oh, I didn't even realize That I had that going on But I was so used to it that I didn't even see it as something to clean up But now that I do so there's I could list more but there's numerous ways That having sharing and having it be the state of the community makes an incredible difference And this also plays really well into You created a three further distinctions on these on these five On the cleanup where you said that Either it's something that you know how to do and it's easy You know how to do it, but it's harder or you just don't know how to do it. Yes And that's a good also barometer in a sense for you to feel okay Well, maybe I'm ready to do the things that I know how to do and they're easy and you can Dive in and start with those things The harder ones you could maybe ask for help. Yeah with Yep, you know You Then you don't have to be disempowered by I don't know how to I don't know how to and Everything that you know how to do today. You didn't know at one time. It was important to so you learned or you got support So not knowing is not doesn't have to be a barrier people allow it to be but it's not it's just like of course There's going to be stuff. I don't know how to cool I will learn how to get support Not only will I handle it, but I was increased my competency in life And I also recommend that people find playful fun ways to handle all of it. Yes You know people make this list and it can be overwhelming. So I say the first thing is Notice if you're making yourself wrong or feeling overwhelmed, let it go And that's also so make this an 18 month project two years like whatever relax Create a joyful path to it do it at a pace that's fun. All that happens is life gets better You have a reliable way to 100% make your life better every month. Yes for years. So what's the problem? Have fun do creative sessions. I remember working with this guy once and he's like, okay, what's the thing? He said cleaning his garage was one of his listeners. Uh So we I said no, you don't get to go because I'm going to go start on it You know, you don't get to go start first. You have to come up So we had to do 20 minutes of thinking that otherwise we we always go time this and that we're busy. No Invest effort in time So we invested 20 minutes In being creative versus zero time in being creative and just running to do it. Just let me run and do it, right? However, the creativity produced a game for him Game thing whatever These three best friends have them come over and have a clean up the garage party Said beer pizzas cigars. He's got stuff like that and they had a really good time And they created the doing the stuff we hate doing club Yeah, and then every two weeks to get together and they go to the other guy's house And they do another thing and then they go and now that's the thing they look forward to the most They're doing the stuff they hate doing party It's up to you. It's in your hands. Yeah And I really recommend people don't rush to do stuff. I mean little stuff simple great and it gives you energy great But look, oh, here's the thing Do it when it gives you energy So I just I yeah, I feel lit up about doing it great. I don't I'm going to create how to so then What's as more As much or more of an impact Is you build your joy muscle because you are rigorous about Doing it in a joyful manner And then you stop being One of your big whatever fears or whatever constraints in life disappears Because you learned you've exercised a muscle of how to bring joy to whatever you do And you no longer have to do things that bring you joy And you're no longer I afraid of anything you can ski any hill you can be in any situation in life And you can bring joy to it. That's some cool shit. Yes The doing the stuff we hate doing club or doing stuff that we know we need to do club. Yeah Yeah, and that's cool too because it does play into the if you want to get started Sometimes it's nice to do it with accountability partners. And so making it fun Bringing joy to it is so cool. Yeah, but make it make it The joyful play partners instead of accountability partners Yes, because if they're if you're doing it, you're doing it. So now the accountability is handled in the background So it raised the bar you can make partners for anything Yeah, that's been another um, that's a powerful video that people when they join nls they get as foundational content is raising the bar and That's a great way to of putting it is yeah raising the bar for yourself to be constituted as honor and Yeah, in terms of like the most The most profound things In my life This is at the top without a doubt And it It's it's exactly what Um, it's exactly what brings Fourth, um the only thing that we are Which is conscious expression. And so you may as well Make the way that you express yourself be honor instead of make it be Uh for self-interest and then you bend that way you actually ignite the global awakening And there's some stuff around like models and architect architectures that I'd like to also play with you on Let me first underline something To create something around raising the bar People can hear that different ways, but One of my experiences is that raising the bar is very important We can call it different things. So people hear it differently, but It's uh, what I found was is that Whether you're improving your skiing or you're having transformation or whatever that a lot of the You have a burst of aliveness comes From the new victory Yeah, so raising the bar is a really great game to play So you have a transformation And if you just work at sustaining it it becomes normalized and you start to consume it So though every time you've had this burst of aliveness was from the next breakthrough From the next victory And it has a life And then it dissipates so I did a whole bunch of work And I discovered that people can live in a very high state If they are having a victory at least once a week Mm-hmm Got that thing done got that off the list did this thing But the in the in the expansion in the moving if then it's this that's where this life force comes forward So go to raising the bar, but not from some significance or heaviness or I have to but it's like wow Every time I move the bar. Yes, I become more wait in the gym every time you put a heavier weight on Yeah, that's raising the bar. Yes, and then you feel Uh And you can do that for the rest of your life Therefore you can have that energy and life force for the rest of your life Therefore you can what's not for your aging because you always get you know for the rest of my life I've become more alive in jordan Yeah, so I find a lot of value inside of Elevation raising the bar having a victory. Whatever you want to call it. Yes. Yes Nice so These victories in cleanup create an increase in life force in aliveness and then That joyfulness gets to radiate and there's just no fear of of death because every single moment is just more and more every week You take on a greater challenge in cleanup by raising the bar and this aliveness gets to just increase Um Yeah, that's what I've experienced sweet Yeah, and you know that's not even theoretical. Nobody even has to take my word for it. Just look at whatever happened every time you Yes, did that don't don't it doesn't sound it's not some theory of mine. I just an observation And I just like to replicate and distill down to what's working And I go that works. So let's do more of that. It's like 50 little mini projects per year one a week and That each one of these mini projects Brings you with more joy more aliveness more honor and What better way to do it than to like see it as a game like see life as a school as a game Yeah, okay, you know, you go. Oh this week I did this in the you know, you clean up this relationship You go this week clean that closet Cool, you know, you can you don't you already know what i'm talking about you can just imagine this one I did that one you can of course have five in a week, but i'm just saying you know like But every time you you know right now that if you did that one on the week Then you did that one and then that one and oh my god every week you go. Oh, I rock, you know like Yep, I love how I love that that um What's it that's like the the taste or the texture the flavor of that Is better than because it's like you said it's the stuff you know, you should be doing flavor And that's why it tastes so good That's why it tastes so good And you can throw out the self-love conversation like as an activity Because you cause self-love arises every time you take down something you know you should do You can obsolete that conversation You notice that every time That you do that That you that you clean something you do that. Do you notice how good you feel about yourself? Do you notice you have no negative thoughts about yourself? All those stories they don't exist in the shadow of that when every time you did one of those things. Yeah There's the evidence the evidence is All I do there's nothing. There's no philosophy. There's nothing. There's nothing There's nothing the work isn't a set of this or that all I do what is observe What worked for people just observation It's just physics. Yes. When you do this this when you do this this. Oh, okay. Good. If this produces this Let's just focus on this the produces that what you want Yeah There literally is no philosophy behind this Interesting, and that's why you mentioned the flamethrower at the beginning. Uh, it's yeah, it's observation and it's uh, physics Uh, I love that way. I love that way saying it because philosophy means a love of wisdom And I think philosophy has a so much connotation in The last thousands of years where it's not about application whereas right now it's more than ever It's only application. It's just observation and physics physics is the way it works This action produces this right and I and don't make wrong. I I love philosophy I you know gauge in it and there's the thing what I'm committed to distilled it And distilled it and I said not you know diminishing anything else I'm just saying I'm just saying this doesn't is not that And I don't I don't intend for it not to be heard that way to give new people new things to think about I'm just going oh look this does this Cool That's it. Yeah So if you know you do a retreat or workshop and take a few of these actions and it makes life amazing Then keep taking those actions that makes life amazing Versus having to be a peak experience I think it's so relatable What you say because everybody's had the experience of doing a clean up Uh, especially maybe not your state of being that might be a tougher one for people to get But when you do clean something like in your physical space everyone's done something like that There's a period of an hour or two or maybe even the rest of the day Where you just feel so good and there's without a doubt no negative thoughts Emotions exactly and so the cleanup is a cleanup, but like your house or your kitchen you do it every day So you do it you take you there's a there's a bit of time over this Year year and a half where it's a bunch because you've let it get really messy But it's not like you do it and you're done You and then you continue to live that way And you because stuff accumulates so you keep cleaning it up And you actually start to get clean up at higher and higher levels So it's not do this once it's about make this the habit of your life Like if you're doing exercise or yoga practice its benefit comes from doing it from the practice of it And if you exercise you do yoga you meditate always you always have the benefit of this So the same way with the cleanup the benefit is in the practice of it Yeah, and a lot of programs and stuff they they do your inventory and you do it and everybody So many people here as you say have done this And then you have this great hit from it. Yeah, and then I'm just like oh But then if that does that and I really like that why wouldn't I keep doing what gives me that? Yes, yes This this also takes me to and this is very similar with landmark And so it's it's like when I hear about you know your experience with those with that pattern and leadership and then for example with me It was a lot of tony robbins and it was a lot of unleashing the power thin and being crew and this type of stuff And it was super similar where you would have this big workbook And it would be answering all these endless state when you're there and it's just this excitement And then you want and then that whole five-day period is just so Lit up with you to change my life. I'm going to change the way I express myself I'm going to tackle all these things that I have to do but The the very interesting thing is why then are people coming back to the retreats after six months or a year Why and the answer is they didn't become constituted as the cleanup itself. Yeah This is great. So they didn't turn it into a habit. Yes Where there's no other There's no other experience that you can Uh, there's no other experience except cleanup that will give you a consistent Um feeling of aliveness over your life. Yeah for Me to succeed in my work my work should become obsolete Yes Honor rock talking about honor should become obsolete and every single thing I do my goal is that it becomes obsolete. Yes I hope to be useless Yeah I hope uh my podcasting days come to an end because everybody is just Uh constituted as the state change As being free agents for igniting global awakening. Yeah, so this work the first Shift for me was You know it was in this body of work and it was hey, let's let's reach this pinnacle Let's be extraordinary stuff like that and then I had a shift in the view and it seemed like a this and an extraordinary mountain to climb and let's make what we can Up however far we get and now I see it differently. I see it. It's not about reaching some pinnacles It's about the restoration of self to your normal state. It's not about from here going up to there We drop we we fell away from ourselves and just read the restoration And then if our work becomes obsolete and people are restored Then we move into creation and then we'll see what we can create with this energy that we were using Just to restore ourselves. That's my view of it And Okay, so when you talk about um restoration, um, you're talking about um, when we sort of fell for maybe seeking uh Experiences or seeking material possessions or substances relationships externally. Yeah, okay, so that was our Falling into illusion and then the coming back the turn within is the um, is the restoration Yeah, I am whole I do not need to chase anything. No thing brings me joy, but I bring joy to everything that I do and then suddenly You don't need anything from the world. So then you bring something to the world So the the creator principle becomes Active and that everything you paint is joy. Yes So, yes, that's you know, you move into creation Where whatever is not whole in you Make your next action in some level of reaction to whatever is not whole Yes, yes to compensate for what's not felt as whole within you. You're compensating You're medicating yourself with every action. Everything is an addiction at some level one way of looking at it And is that so then I'm doing it all to I can take an opiate Or something people go that's the drug or not But you actually people are doing all sorts of things To medicate their sense of disquiet Nice You know one shaman told me he said anything Everything can be medicine and everything can be poison Just depending on how you're engaging with it. There's two threads there. Um, one of them is that um Especially within mainstream culture. We don't typically think of um watching Like fox news and cnn as something that is Poison We don't typically think that we think that you know, we're righteous and we have the right poll and we know And so it's basically baked in or like the high fructose corn syrups or the industrial oils or whatever They're baked in the like the business models that are baked into the attention economy with People hooked onto devices that type of thing. Um, it's It's baked in uh to where It's it's in a feedback loop with our consciousness and then the like liberation From those oils and from the processed foods and from the unhealthy patterns is It's that's like the unfreezing of your will and you're you know, you're regaining it so that you're not So you're sovereign so you're not You're you're not falling into and but you you created the whole experience for yourself I think that part is so important that you designed the experience for yourself to get consumed by Those patterns. Yeah, he chose the easy way in the moment easy way out to get a hit And yeah, okay. And so the environment Yeah, every one of those industries has scientists their sole purpose is how to make the thing more addictive They study that and then they bake it into the electronics. They bake it into the whipsies. They bake it into the food And we can say let's blame them But you still have a choice I have compassion. I understand I went through all those places and I didn't stop doing it because they stopped doing it. I stopped doing because I chose something else. Yeah Now here's a cool thing about the cleanup So those things That you go, I should stop eating. I'm gonna do this or I'm gonna get that app on my phone that shuts it off for some hours or all of those things when You do the cleanup you actually naturally stop wanting to do those things or eat those things. Yes And this is not theoretical either. Many people who are listening have probably done something like a cleanse And when you do the cleanse You stop craving some of that stuff for a while. The cleanup is just a cleanse It's a life cleanse. Yes So in the same way it will impact where you want to put your attention So you can stop strategically trying to work on those things Because some of those things will seize or all of them will seize to exist if when you get things cleaned up When your room is really clean, you don't feel like dropping something on the floor. Yes It's natural To create the invite cleanup creates the environment that is consistent with who you are that you feel like keeping it that way So the base the baseline itself is constantly shifting towards a more pure expression and more remembering of true nature and when the baseline shifts in terms of Oh, well now I felt this last week how nice it is to have a clean physical space Now I love that example. I'm not going to bring my dirty shoes onto the carpet I'm not going to drop my My clothes on the couch. I'm going to go and put them in my closet. Yes And yeah that type of because it continues the baseline has shifted and so now new levels are unlocked So it's like yes, so what is the next place and that might be digital the next place you go No, but here's and here's an interesting thing because it's holistic so people will often do like a We suffer I have a view that we suffer from a thing I made up my own term for it because I call it isolationism in the developed world We isolate one thing and then work on one that one thing So people could do the physical thing and they go. Yeah, but then after a while it doesn't stick or whatever You know, or I don't you know, I already people could be listening already resigned because I've done that But I know that it fades or whatever But not when you do all of the areas A cool thing happens You clean up this thing in your relationship and you feel more like exercising You do you do the exercising and you feel more like have keeping your space clean your entire energy Getic space cleans up. So doing this makes you want to keep this up Click keeping that up makes you want to keep do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, it's it's not a linear version No matter you can be hearing what I'm saying our predisposition is to put it into Something familiar. I promise you where this takes you is not familiar. I promise you I promise you no matter how much this no matter how many times you failed in the past No matter how many times you reverted it's this is not those things when you do all of these things You can see how comprehensive it is they feed each other Yes And you get more subtle you become more aware of There's a place where the analogy breaks down. It's not about having a sterile environment Like it's you know, like you like that. No, it's still warm and loving It's what's right for you and you start to see different kinds of impurities like I have a commitment to being profoundly peaceful which has me show the the dirt that what's in the way of me being what what shows what's Yeah, what's the thing? You know, there's the old uh Uh, I remember growing up. There's the old story the princess and the p You know, you know where the the prince you know, no matter how many mattresses she could still feel the p She started to feel these impurities nice Through even more and more more mattresses more and more and more and more mattresses, right? and so Recently like last year I found this disquiet Because what's in my and I what I noticed was like I don't have Really much any fear about anything. I don't fear the ending my life or anything And I have like a little fear and I noticed this. Uh, I had a fear about three things Not exercising not doing my meditation not eating well I know that's create and I could go back to times in my life where I just did those things I didn't have any fear about not doing them. I just did them But now I was doing them because I was afraid of not doing them What the hell where did that guy we used to do them like So I went deep in and I saw this thing which is The environment when I first started doing those things. It wasn't much talk about them Right and it's everywhere now, right? But you know like yeah, right? But so like I'm 56 I was like when I started doing you know, like it's really when I was growing up There was none of this stuff in the environment very little right then um I uh There's so much talk Meditating is good for you exercise is good for you But like I just and I and because there was so much I let it shape that oh I better do those things. I'm afraid not to do those things. Did you get what I'm saying? Yeah And I was like wow look at that has an impurity has come in and it was changing the nature of those things So I actually stopped attending to those things And I'm almost at this that was part of the cleanup because I didn't want to have those impurities and I'm still Doing and elevating and cleaning up all the other things and just doing it with honor And and then I just I just said I wasn't going to take any of those actions if I was coming from there I literally not going to exercise if it's coming from there if that's in the space and after a bit Some days of not exercising one day my body felt like exercising So I did do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I still remember that really really well Is that you know at my mother's place and and then so I just stopped and I go I should I should like that And I go nope not coming from this to your mom No, that's it. No, and then and then suddenly it felt natural and then it did for two days And then it came back. Ah, I see it's you're back on you should do it No, then I'm not then I stopped and so it was I didn't any then it was like Start and stop start and stop and then and then it became Like that and then back into a flow state around it But that's that's an example of that you get more present you see more impurities you can keep Purifying your space. Yeah, new new ones crept in like those ones crept in they didn't used to be there Things like that That's just an example from my own experience. Cool. That's a cool next level To reference as well because we can get caught into a like a linear style pattern Which is I will do this three times a week at a specific time and and then it There's a next level there, which is making it more flowy So some week you might go three times some week you might only go once and Yeah, and you keep doing a cleanup and you'll find yourself and your body falling into what nurtures it Yeah, yeah, you'll find yourself wanting to Yes Yes Okay, let's see. There's a couple other ones here There's just a couple really like we can go I would love to just get through These like more quick with your your hot take on them Because these are things that I've written from the notes that I've taken and I love these So Um, a really good question is to just ask oneself is why are you here? And in asking that question Usually what comes up And this ties into this other one that I wanted to bring up, which is what is on your bucket list? I love this one Is any service to others on your bucket list and that's a great That's a great realization to have Yeah is serving the collective serving the planet in any way serving life Or is it for you is everything on your bucket list for you. So why are you here? Yeah Cool. Okay. I feel like that one's Explanatory already we covered I like this one cleanup is the best thing you can do for your life touch that Oh, um, yeah, don't get caught on sustainable improvements also Uh So And yeah, can you yeah, like life is so as I was working on things and learning more about the environment I came across these people and Many years ago they're talking about you don't do sustainable. They work on soil You have to regenerate the soil And then I learned about it and then I got deep into the jungles and I go Oh nature is regenerative Or you could even just say generative and take out the rea. Just nature is generative. Yes It's not trying holding sustaining is can I hold on? imagine On the shocker field you get ahead by one goal and you try to hold on to your lead. No way exactly right, so you know Companies are you know get this joyful start up and I want to let's bring this to people Let's cause this and they get to this size. Oh, let's hold on to our things Let's meet our targets immediately the energy changes You don't like being their customer anymore before they wanted to bring you something now They want to use you to sustain their Profits, you know and so sustaining is Not enlivening it's fear-based. It's holding on and nature is not that You know And you know so it's and it's actually interesting for people to get this because I can say this and they understand it But then I'll show them a picture of a cup, you know, some people who regenerated a piece of land This is brown piece of land and eco or green means Not it's not sustainable. It's less destructive. That means that land gets worse sustaining means it stays like the world stays the way that it is And regenerative means it goes from brown to green So when you exercise You you're generating you're regenerating. Here's the Here's the picture from oh, it's got to be because it's in focus But that's the picture from uh, 2001 of sustainable This is what I'll interact with me and then here's the one from 2019. This is regenerative or generative. Yeah. Yeah You're generating life. You want to have magic in your relationships to your life. You generate it every day You regenerate it. You regenerate your fitness It can you can hold on, you know, it's it's just there's um so You you everything in life is generative like you want to bring life You know when you're on why why even people like playing with sport or as you have to generate You're not you're just sitting there allowing the drift of life When it's magic is when you're generating you're putting effort into it yes Man, I love I love how we can just take um I love how we can just blast through those the words sustainable But then when we get to regenerative I like how you even say drop the re and just Just generate so good. So you keep doing the clean You don't you don't clean up once and then try to hold on to that You keep elevating it and finding more pureties and you generate, you know more and more like a liveness. You just generate life Which is exactly what the When this is a great segue into this when um, we were both familiar with the kogi And so you have an indigenous tribe in colombia And you have the um as mama knew knew you on said on our show You have the living original vision of earth love living original vision of earth and that's generative. Yes Which is how we're here is this generative function. Yeah, and um, and so yeah, so it's the Yeah, I love that. It's a generative cleanup. It's a generative honor Yeah, um, yeah, so your body isn't sustaining. It doesn't have here's their cells. Let's hold on They're replicating. They're reproducing. They're really you all your cells are replacing your body I want every seven years something like that. Yes, right because it's they're regenerating. He's generating. It's always You know, it's always it's that's life life is generative Yeah, and so this is also probably why at the beginning when you were sharing the point the pillar one and cleanup of physical space is um, there's something about Being caught in the same environment that you've been in for Years or maybe even decades in the same maybe small city in the same apartment in the same cluttered environment whatever that that's why there's kind of like this this shock factor to sort of taking yourself out of that to a um To to something that's not static and that's not sustainable But that it's generative because you can when you're in your apartment that you've been in for for years and it's been the same Over and over and over again. That's when you get that brown ass land in that picture Versus when you get the green nourishing generative land That's when you go out of your comfort zone. That's the classic Joseph Campbell hero journey. Um, get out of your comfort zone find some sort of treasure which is your cleanup Yeah, and then come from honor. That's right So, you know, one of the foundations of this body of work is that every person can live their hero's journey and um To do that cleanup to have a victory every week Yeah, you have you generate you generate what was not going to happen And it keeps you alive you just go for it's just one structure you could use like a victory every week But if you do that that will keep you generating Maybe you'll be generating your existence Not consuming the existence you already have good. So good So the the one small victory a week one victory a week is what? Keeps the generator function strong alive. It does so good Horseman has a great quote and it's uh be ashamed to die until you have scored some victory for humanity But imagine scoring a victory every week every week for humanity. Yeah My favorite poet e coming said being not dead is not the same as being alive Yeah And um and and that also plays into what you said a couple days ago to me which was You'd rather live with honor than to die dishonorably. Yeah, I'd rather have an honorable death than a dishonorable life Oh, yeah, an honorable death than a dishonorable life So good and that plays into the vikings and vahala and The idea of just living your entire life for an honorable Yeah for an honorable life and an honorable death So good Okay, and this this part's also really good is that the hill turns to a slide This was from the honor retreat. I thought was great The what you saw as was a hill like an uphill battle Ends up becoming when you score these one victory a week in your cleanup It becomes like this downhill slide. We got Yeah, yeah, and it's that thing I talked about earlier where honor looked harder and harder and harder until you surrendered to it And then it was like then you're over the hump because you already have chosen how you're going to operate So instead of climbing the hill you're skiing the hill Cool and Here's some other ones it was honor is wholeness over the self part Also honor honor is honorably living in unity with wholeness to the best of your ability Yeah, I mean there's no there's no honor without the wholeness because it's honor in relationship to You know, you're not isolated as a phenomena Yeah, oh that's so good. So honor is always in relation to And so then you're always thinking of or at least not you're at least when you start you're keeping your attention on this Which is how am I in relation to yes to other people to the world? Yeah excellent and then Okay, let's do um, so honorock, uh, you've been uh, you've been Excited and designing and implementing new models And I find this to be really interesting because I found things like the sustainable development goal something that I got really excited about a couple years ago And I was like heck. Yes. This is so cool. We have these these visionary 17 ways of like seeing zero hunger clean water and then people coming in To want to create solutions to those things and to meet basic needs and and then When I was talking to you you made it clear that like that's actually still coming from the like band-aid mentality Whereas if you come from cleaning up first Then your solutions that you create will be more aligned with things like the seventh generation principle in indigeneity where you're actually not thinking about the solution to clean water that's For a billion people that's going to be uh, just this decade, but you're thinking about clean water in the next 250 years you're you're looking at they will never not be clean water ever again Yes Right, so we have there's this thing called the problem solution master you talk about every every solution becomes the next problem You know, so you could have say oh Uh The solution to shortages of water now people are ramping up desalination Yeah, right and that if that starts going like crazy instead of people changing their habits of how they use water Then we'll desalinate The oceans and at some point that's going to throw something off in the balance of the ocean. It can't not we've already learned that So we keep doing a short term solution versus How are we going to alter our habits so we don't have this problem anymore? Now I understand that that There's things to take care of in the short term So let's use those solutions sourcefully to take care of people right now but not live like that's But the real shift happens when we handle things at source Source solution based intervention in my these are my own stuff. I've made up I used to do that But I realized that the solution validated the existence of the problem and allowed people the problem What had the problem be there to continue to exist Versus source based is you go back and create a world where that you're no longer that problem is no longer being generated And I love the you said um You said it was It was like see and you know Bantino talks about this a lot as well. It's that you see the future Where everybody has clean water as already done And then you work your way back From that future vision Yeah, that's one way of looking at it for sure. You know you go this You know that what is it needed for that problem problem to no longer exist? Yep And so now let's let's hear from you on some of these new models and how many uh Of the different because I don't even know of this from you yet But where where are the new models? So what are the new models and where are they being implemented? You have some school some like city some like like designs of of homes and Ways that yeah, so what I looked at was so I took on so I keep my word to impact the planet So I did many years of research and study about what causes large-scale change That's when I left You know leading programs and things and said okay, uh, I came to conclusion that my path was What I saw what causes large-scale change is to build better ways of doing things So we have a philosophy is criticize nothing offer compelling alternative So like they created the airplane or they created the compact disc and everybody switched over Nobody had to make vinyl records wrong or whatever. You have the cell phone It doesn't mean landlines are wrong, but now the cell phones in everybody's hands So you go look at that there's evidence that the entire world can change In a very short period of time if you give a power So I stopped working on changing the world but instead to create a new world Which everybody would want to move to a no-brainer a no-brainer So then I went away from a lots of my work which was creating improvements in lots of things But still perpetuating the DNA in the world that they were from And to leave it and to go away to create new things And I first picked four pillars which moved to five which was education wellness Business and media and then now it's also homes and communities And then created my organization which is called FU stands for fun unlimited But people people are welcome to misunderstand it Uh to not limited and our our mission is to have a ridiculously good time Creating new models new ways of doing things That has caused all of life to flourish and alter the trajectory of the planet and so um You know, so we have the life regenerative business model Which is That in that model people do this work to generate their lives in an aligned state I learned How to obsolete some of my work already if I create an environment where people are joyful passion alive All sorts of these organizational problems no longer exist. They need to need my stuff to fix those things There's no conflict resolution because there's no conflict and you know Then also at the environmental and also environmental level I realize that when people are joyful and fulfilled they don't need to buy and consume more stuff You know, so You know that so it impacts that and that's when the mommas said, you don't just plant trees You have to heal your hearts I think oh because when their hearts are healed, they're we're not so consumptive, you know And so So in this model We there's there's it's generative of the human life And we reduce the footprint of the business as much as possible And then we make sure resources from the earnings go back to a net positive not to an offset Yes, right. So if I'm making 40 Units of impact on the environment I put 60 units back into the earth And then now if you use that model then you can be relaxed passionate guilt-free because everything you do is generative of life right in the homes And communities we're doing we've come up with an entirely new approach to designing anything So let's the example. So if I showed you our this is in process of design And we'll be building some prototypes soon, but we're looking for every element we can think of that impacts life so we have air quality or we have regenerative farming we have food we have fitness we have water and waste systems walls and electricity we have Joy laughter play sleep We're bringing things into the design And so it went from a housing project to a living project. Yes went from the best possible house of the best possible living And so that the even the environment promotes living the things that we're talking about And how do you build that into the environment of the home of the community? And it's you know, and we're building healthy homes with No toxins and this and that so that's so And it's really challenging. We're coming like it's really coming to how do you design stuff that nobody's ever designed before so we're coming up with a whole new structure of thinking in design And um, yeah, and to and in doing it with the intention that it's impact the planet It's not just building better things one of my mandates is everything we learn here So every one of the things air quality. What's the highest possible outcomes we could produce in air quality? What are all the different ways to Educating people that what's the you know this that what are all the different ways that can be done? And in that list of what how it can be done Has to be ways that people can do that in their existing homes because most of the population Is not going to build a new place if we're going to serve earth. It can't just be here's how to build now No, it's got to be and here's what you can do. Here's how you can elevate joy in your current environment or Or air quality or this or that so it's it's it's about service to the whole Um, we have a philosophy that's with the world for the world So in the next six months, we'll be building websites for each of these things And allowing anybody in the world who has wants to contribute expertise to building to education to contribute in Anybody who wants to learn from we're doing to take it and put it out. Nice Our goal is to build an international community in each area Uh, who was committed to revolutionizing that area and open source all of it and having me a living growing phenomena um, you know, uh So, you know, we're gonna we have a school in mexico that we're starting at ground zero That's going to be we're going to be showcasing and you know, we are without even presenting it yet We have people showing up. We have another group in costa rica. They want to build a school that okay Let's learn from this and we'll share what we have so it's you know, it's taking root I started work on that school in june um and on the building stuff we've got Four or five people said yes, I want to build that prototype with this we have planned we have a couple of people There's a guy in canada's donated 150 acres of incredible like beautiful land saying build a community I don't need any money just as long as it makes a difference. So Uh, this is without having to put the word out yet. So we're excited, you know, it's good It's like, you know, and it's very pure. We not interested in just anybody It's not a community to get away from the world. It's to is to be a living laboratory for the world always of service You know that the the business model we're working with some people around on the on the wellness aspect You know one guy is building a wellness community a village in the states other things Um, we have got a team around media. We work, you know every week deeply on how to actually create media That's really fun engaging and it makes a powerful impact Um, you know, and we've got all sorts of things we've got uh, you know, we're bringing a few to everything We're like, uh, we've got uh, we're creating the design for a funeral So you can have fun funerals. Oh a funeral, right and uh, and so like, uh, you know, we're looking How do you have funerals be hilarious? They celebrate the person's existence We're coming up with ideas like the person can put money aside and then for the next 10 years we'll uh Play jokes on their friends and family and make them laugh after they're gone or whatever it is We're just coming up with stuff, but you know, we creating So there's those pillars, but then we look at well if people learn all of this stuff This is what I learned many years ago is that people learn all the stuff But then they're sent back into an environment where the DNA is created from something else So what serves people is to give them the Things that are built from this so they can live it not struggle against it You know we're creating the worst foot forward dating agency Which is creating an agency where people it's about not about, you know, being yourself fully or like that And make it's very funny. It's going to be a very silly thing But anyways, but we're looking okay. What are all aspects of life? How do we eff you anything in life? Yes Cool. So then it's become clear that the Um, the state changes from the cleanup. They create better architectures that are sourceful, but also that the more sourceful architectures Feedback they enable that state change to stay And not only to stay but to generate But to keep spiraling upwards the school itself one of the assignments will be giving the cages You're going to help us redesign the school one of the things in the curriculum Is it every year one of the topics is redesigning the school for next year? Yeah, that's great. Right. It's each each thing the uh, we're totally we're so impacted by our architecture and environment around us You know, we're in a noisy pub. We'll be talking loud if I walk us into a church our behavior will change instantly If I try to get you to yell in that church, you won't feel like it your environment pushes and pulls for what exactly the way that it is So if you come to and work my workshop I was like, what's going on? How come everybody draw? Oh, I'm doing in some level a disservice like I'm created an environment That is so carefully designed for people's expression and connection Authenticity or whatever right and then we throw them 100 miles an hour back into an environment that was for who they used to be Yes, so you go. Oh, no, we have to redesign those things and And call for them and you know my early which is why they come back to the retreat six months because that's the only place they can Have that right versus to nurture that to redesign their entire existence That's oh, well, let's give them a workplace that is that let's give them school That is that let's give them, you know, they're a home environment that is that right and um You know, so it's just like uh Like my early successes became failures like I helped you know Like what do you want? I want to grow my business I Helped the guy and he tripled his business. But was he any happier? No more stress and I really look the thing about it was this So it made that early business work. I saw oh most people's Businesses they either inherited from family or they started it and it's all it's serving a variety of intentions that aren't sourceful right You know doing this a lack of belief whatever right so there's Lots of it and there might there might even be elements that are but lots of elements that are not So there was not a pure expression of self So it was an architecture an environment that is not an expression of you And then I just Tripled the not you that you were living in No, wow And then it was even worse because now you're more addicted to it because it's making you more money she's So you had to take a lot of things apart. Yeah Wow, what an that's such a good way of putting it because the conventional mainstream mentality Is take what you're doing and find ways to just grow it no matter what? But that's so off because if it's coming from a place of Ignorance of of the nature of just coming from a place of self-interest or seeking validation or unworthiness or Whatever it is that It's You're growing something that's creating more cancer for life And that itself is such a because everything that's so much of what's being peddled in mainstream is growth growth growth no matter what growth growth This is such a good way. Actually, you had a story that I thought was really good too where you basically Had a decrease. Oh, yeah the b Rp business reduction program. Yeah, I'm working on a couple of things. I For years I had programs and people and how to grow their businesses and make more money now I'm developing programs on how to reduce your business and how to spend your money Right, which is how do you spend your resources in a way that is really aligned and gives you the most It's aligned. How do you? Have all this business causing me stress. Let's actually reduce it to the perfect size like this Nature grows to something. No your body. You don't go Oh, let me keep going. Let me go to 100 pounds 200 pounds 300 pounds for you. Don't do that. You want to get to your perfect size You want to get to your perfect size? You don't want to keep growing The perfect size in which you are the healthiest most vital and alive Yeah And so I had this client is working with and it was it it was the uh, the natural Let's go. I want to double my business. Okay, let's then we start I said and I go but now but then I had learned to go down to somebody's core intentions and I Why and this and that okay? Because what he wanted was to travel more with his family mountain bike a lot more and stuff like that So over time we reduced his business from 2.2 million to 1.2 million And from eight staff to three and nobody only does he says yes to work that he loves And he has way more time to do to do exactly he travels with his family now. He has everything lined up exactly how he wants So what he was with which is what he wanted from growth rather than let's just have it now What do you need to do is get rid of some stuff get rid of some of the company stop saying yes to work That didn't enliven him. Yes Yeah, if it's not a fuck yes, then it's a no it's a no And Another one that came up when you were saying a way a hundred pounds 200 pounds 300 pounds 400 pounds is like Okay, one kid two kids three kids four kids five kids. You know, what's the perfect amount of kids for you? And then what's like one car two cars three cars four cars five cars You know, what is the right amount of cars or whatever like that? That's such a great way of putting it and another good one is like what yeah your unique Expression of the creator is Whatever you feel like it is it's not It's not funneling into the same one million two million three million five million ten million mentality that's so good because I talked about it also like a A palette of colors also and that there's All of these different ways to potentially express yourself just as a good parent as a good community member um All the way to whatever a fortune 500 ceo or whatever and so there's all these different ways to to express yourself and Yeah Okay, cool. I feel I feel really good. We covered new models fun unlimited and the the five focuses so living What health or fitness education media And business and business. Yeah, those are the five core ones and then all you know, and then we're Other you know expanding into ideas to have every key area of life have have a model those ones I think are most pivotal for all of life And the idea is is is not The change will be not from what we do in those areas, but that Proof of concept of that way approaching things and people with a lot smarter than us and a lot more resources taking on that way and bringing it You know, we just want to demonstrate you can do it this way and it gives more of everything that you want So there's no reason. It's a no-brainer switch over to this way of operating It can be done. It's just a different platform like uh Yeah, philips said we're gonna change the way people listen to music They spent a bunch of years created the compact disc. It was so compelling everybody moved over And it changed the way people listen to music. Yes, and then everybody everybody put their music on it So it's not about just somebody's music. It's not just about our work. It's whatever it is. I don't care about that much It's that this way Could be brought forth other people have all sorts of brilliant work and stuff like that people's Uh Brilliance and creativity is amazing. You know, I just want to create what would unleash that I already know that all everything that's needed to have cause the world to push is already out there Just to help make that a channel for that. Yeah and Very similar to how it became a no-brainer to shift towards spotify and the streaming services now And so there was a compelling enough reason for people to feel like it's a no-brainer and now everybody streams their music now And it's very similar now going to be with these five pillars with the way that we transition The fun unlimited turning the whole earth into a big Birthday party. Yeah You could have the way business now or you could have a business where everybody's life's just in rocks And it's making the earth healthier. You could you could have this or this choose You could have people living the life It's so joyful and flourishing Now because we work this way versus i'm going to work for decades Hopefully earn enough money to be able to live life that way one day maybe And I loved when you were sharing you shared that This is a very like decentralized crowdsourced approach to this So meaning these five categories with fun unlimited that you have people from around the world that are excited about these next generation Architectures so they contribute their ideas to some sort of an ecosystem of the ideas and structures Then they can take from that ecosystem and implement it into schools or into media or business Into living and I love that you don't say housing you say living. I love that And I really like that. That's totally the future this like idea pool of great structures and people contributing and using So i'm excited to create with you more on that and also to introduce you to some of the people that are making big changes in the space That we've had on the show before people like my brother andi bitner super excited for you guys to create together And explore and So for more of uh for more of onorak You can find the link in the bio to his facebook profile And you can if you feel like it's relevant or resonant for you to reach out and be able to collaborate or contribute to these things from a sourceful place You can reach out and follow him there because he doesn't have much of an online presence You'll notice Another thing is you can find his he has two episodes on mirror talks with bentino episode 12 and 13 which are both on youtube You can check out for more information on purifying where you're coming from courage fearlessness staying true Also, if you probably if you want more of onorak getting involved in no limit society It's another great place to find more of him And that links in the bio below as well the ongoing program for training free agents for ignition of global awakening Yeah, I think that pretty much covers most of what we wanted to talk about where people can find you you feel like Complete intentions good I found it interesting that at the very beginning that there was a Like a slower flow. I've also experienced that before with the guests on the show but Sometimes I feel like it comes from a place of wanting to like bring Structure of like talking about the person's journey and how they got to where they got to And then sometimes I just don't do that at all and I just ask like like hey welcome onorak so what is honor and like that type of Entrance into the conversation and so Like feeling into that. I just love how it was just we got to this flow and it felt so good Being able to rock together like that on the subject and I look forward to more explorations like this Together's and hopefully it brought great value for people and If it did we would love for you guys to leave a comment below with your thoughts on that episode Comment below with how you've cleaned up and how that's Enhanced your aliveness and your state change And Also, yeah, you can Like the video that helps the algorithm to get it to reach out to more people subscribe to the channel if you having it Also, share the video with other people share what honor is For you with other people. So share beingness and sharing And the two yeah what way it's like this. Yeah, you be it and share it, you know, that's different than preaching it Yes, you know work on it and share what you're working on work share because it's you're engaged in it Not because you Want validation from knowing something Yep So we we would love for you to share With people like you you you've practiced you cleaned up and how it positively and and you can also share Here's what you're grappling with or whatever, you know, it's it's natural to but I want to suppress the sharing And even that, you know, you can share here's this or here's for a struggle Like this is what it goes when you're sharing you don't have to have it worked out to share with people He's saying here's what I'm working on. Here's what I'm struggling. Here's like that There's an authenticity is always been for me more powerful than strategy So share to share and see what sharing does sharing makes it more alive makes it real it gives you momentum Just sharing even your struggle can have disappeared some of the struggle Right. So it's it's all all of it. You can share this thing that you're talking with and somebody can respond to your share and say Hey, try this You can create an opening for being supported naturally by the natural flow like in the ecosystem where the water wants to flow So create an opening for it So it's not about having it together. It's about being authentic being free be yourself Yeah, so good. Um And hopefully the the honor retreat also will be made available soon We'll have that link in the bio when it is made available where honor agon bantino went into this in more depth um And yeah, step up. This is the this is it. This is the only thing Like we talked about like honor rock shared. This is the cleanup is the foundation for the rest of your life and uh and one victory every week to increase your aliveness and And build on that momentum and play the game play the game play the game Honor rock. Thank you so much. You're welcome. It's good to be here. So thanks for hosting that So cool. Yeah, so cool. I love your heart again. I just thank you so much so cool Thanks everybody again for tuning in infinite love for you and um That's all that's all folks. Um Thank you. Okay All right