 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump, of Mind Pump for the first 51 minutes We do our introductory conversation. Make sure you tell people Justin will be here. He's in the episode He just had to leave because his dog before we did the intro his dog swallowed a tennis ball a ball Yes, a ball so he had to leave now. I don't know what's up with the dogs in the emergency? I don't know man. He's got a rough one for the puppies maniacs We start off by talking about Adam's tummy. That's we say it's Sal's tummy in my stomach and Organifi probiotics Adam actually has been using the probiotics to help Heal his little belly because he got sick there for a second orally If you go to organifi shop.com and do the code mind pump you'll get an exclusive mind pump discount We talk about Japan's Programmed stem cell heart repair. This is crazy insane. You can actually heal your heart with Japan's new Technique I guess some Marvel shit going on. We do all the time. I choked out my sister's boyfriend and other macho moves Did he deserve it? No, we have an arm wrestling in Sicily. That was fun the power of being offended Oh boy sounds memes starting to rub people the wrong way. That's right and then we talk about the documentary take your pills and kids and Drugs we're talking about the legal drugs, you know the ones that your government approved that are still terrible for you Then we get to the questions the first question was how do each of us structure our training? During periods of a heavy travel so when we travel a lot How do we like to work out? We actually mentioned find out if Justin just eats pizza and doesn't work out We talk about maps anywhere in that particular part of the episode Oh, and by the way maps anywhere 50% off this month more I'll talk more about that in just a second the next question was are there some things to try when you feel like your Body isn't even progressing anymore even though you've been doing the same stuff that always seems to work What do you do it used to work now? It's not working do the same stuff. How do I get my body to move forward? The next question was How should you reintroduce calories and food after prolonged restriction? So in other words, if you've been dieting for a long time, you got your goal body weight You're lean now you want to start eating more again You just eat a lot all at once like a lot of competitors do or should you do it slowly in a reverse dieting? type of way we talk about some new science in that portion of this episode and Finally, what are some tips that we can give to help trainers retain clients? You know getting clients is one thing Keeping them is another if you're really good. You do both really really well Also this month as you heard me say earlier in this intro Maps anywhere half off. I'm excited about this one This is I think we talked about this multiple times in the show over the last year or two that it's probably the most Underrated program that we have and we got a lot of stuff going on. We got a new program that's coming out We got all kinds of stuff that we just came off of a great Superbundle special. It's been a while since we've even addressed or talked about anywhere I think this is a cool thing for people even if you're not Somebody who is working out of hotel rooms or working out at home all time It's a great one to have in your guys's arsenal for sure. Absolutely the workouts themselves require minimal equipment like a band and A stick or your body weight. It's extremely effective programming. Of course It can be done anywhere and for the entire month of June. It's half off 50% off You can get this program or check out our other maps programs at mind pump media comm So Doug hears us at a higher level than we hear ourselves and so how we're always like hey, Doug Could you turn up? That's all that's just what's in your head. My ears are like blasting. Yeah So it doesn't it's not changing how loud he hears it. It's only changing how I hear it Okay, so you can go louder or softer depending on what you want. It's good for guests. Have you noticed some of our guests? Yes, like they don't like it. Yes Perfect for the guest because now they have the yeah. Yes, like even right now. It's a how much are those Doug? 25 bucks, you know, you got to love technology. I know you got a lot. You know much that would have cost in 1975. So disruptive 10 million dollars That that was the same technology that took the fucking space shuttle to the moon. Yeah, 25 bucks I don't think the space shuttle went to the moon. Oh, dude. That's right. It was just a rocket You're not recording So it sounds like I said that Actually, the space shuttle is not what went to the moon Dude, I got the I got the probably the weirdest This is a good game. Let's name the weirdest feedback or the most unexpected Like wrong feedback. Sometimes I get feedback from fans and I'm just like no, that's not that's that's not the case Oh, would you like what I had in regards to the show what you said some dude Sends me a DM and he's like He's like, yeah, you guys, uh, you guys encouraged Justin to talk a lot and now Adam barely ever talks. I'm like, what? When did that what universe are you from? What did he say? He's like he's like you guys are always telling Justin to talk more and I and you know He was really quiet at first and now he's talking a lot more in the show But now Adam barely ever talks like oh, that's actually totally wrong. He's not accurate. Yeah I can't yeah, you know that probably like I can't even that's here that like I mean, he's probably a massive Adam fan. That's I can't get enough. Who is it? I like the guy already I know, right? He said that I was like just not enough Adam's like there's cowbell. It's gonna be I'm not getting enough for me to like No, there's feedback. There needs to be some truth in it There's still people that get there's still people that confuse us like people that are still coming on that. Oh my god That might be it. Yeah, no, there's still people like they don't don't follow us on IG listen to show Or maybe they just now started falling I've had people start following me and think that we're one of the other guys I feel like we should go around right now like I'm Justin Justin's voice roll call. Yeah, that's yeah. No, this is I don't have a good impression of you and I've been trying to work on it It's hard to do me. Yeah people whose voice got confused the mode I think you and I got confused the most Adam which is what you thought mine was yours and your yeah Cuz I so here's a funny. I listen speak so differently. We sound completely different. I listen to when you talk right I like it that would sound weird coming out of my face What would you do Justin if you first met me? I was talking like him. Oh, wow Hey, well, how fun would that be one episode we should try our best You have to sound like me the whole episode and I have to sound just like you like everybody get their feelings At some point I know if you like just try to like yeah, it sound like I'll be sour the whole no you already do it all time I know that's cuz Adam yet. Yeah, I have to figure that one. Mine's easy. I'll work on that mind Super easy dude. How's your you're smiling? How's your how's your tummy? It's coming together This is actually the first day that I haven't been chewing on probiotics like crazy So you were taking the the probiotics. Yeah, how many times a day? Yeah, or again if I well You know what? I've actually been meaning to ask you so I'm actually glad you asked me that I it felt like it was the right thing for me to do. I should I should have ran it by you Yeah, so after I kind of the my protocol I was you know Initially like I couldn't hold anything down and so charcoal and soup was kind of like the protocol for what I was doing And then once I started Once I was able to eat like solid foods I still my stomach was still kind of like gurgling and this and that so I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll start using the Organifies probiotic with all my meals and I'm only eating two three times a day, right? So I'm not like over. Oh, yeah, that's plenty. No, it's that's actually good when you have like a severe And I don't mean gut issue in the sense of inflammatory irritable bowel syndrome type gut issues because in that case then this advice may apply may not apply I'm talking about like if you have like a stomach virus like you get the neuro virus or you get food poisoning Or when you're on antibiotics then taking high doses of anti of probiotics has been shown to be Beneficial, but there's an individual okay, so I'm doing the right thing here. Yeah, okay now Do you is there a can I overdo it? I mean of course, okay? Yeah, of course, so you may have a bad reaction to taking too many But the dose and the organify if I'm not mistaken is 25 billion. Maybe Doug you can look that up It's a real small number. I think it's 20 notes. I think it's 25 or 50 billion So let's double-check, but I take on an almost regular basis a hundred billion once a day anyway Okay, so I'm nowhere near that no 25. I'm nowhere near 25 is probably a good place to start for for most people and it's got the the befiddle the befiddle bacterium and the Acidophilus Bacterium in there, which are the ones that that they've been that have shown to have positive effects in the gut It's funny. I was talking to Rusio the other day about this and there's a lot of There's a lot of confusion over What the probiotics actually do in the gut so a lot of us think and I even thought this initially was that it's 50 billion It's 50 billion. Okay, what I initially what I thought was that you take these beneficial bacteria and then they populate your gut Mm-hmm, and Rusio said no, that's why I thought they don't that's not how this works No, he says they don't populate your gut. What probably happens is they as they go through the gut they Release or they have an antibiotic and natural antibiotic effect So it neutralizes the other bacteria in the gut or or helps prevent them from overgrowing or causing dysbiosis And he thinks that and he says that happens when they're alive But it also happens when they're dead because he said there's studies that show that Even if you swallow dead probiotics people still get a benefit It just goes to show you how little we know about yeah about all of this stuff. Wow It's fucking weird. It's I can tell that I feel better Does when I have I have one I mean you and you are the one that really I was never somebody who would even take a probiotic pill before but You know, I thought you know because my because I don't have gut issues I don't major gut issues, but I definitely get upset stomach sometimes or get the flu or whatever the fuck it was I did food poisoning whatever it was that I just had and so there's been times where I'm just like Oh, my stomach's uneasy. I know I need to eat and then when I eat with that It does make me feel ten times better man food poisoning is the worst because it's the clothes like you feel like you're literally gonna die Yeah, you know when you're sitting there and you're you're you're throwing up and there's nothing and you just You make that sound what I'm saying Because I've had it enough times and I know how awful it is if you have nothing to throw up like What I do is when I start getting uneasy what I was doing when I was throwing up It's like I would chug water so I would have something to throw up really. Oh, yeah So like if I so what I because I couldn't hold anything down I couldn't hold PLI I could hold water couldn't hold anything down during the the window when I really started throwing up But after you've thrown up about two or three times in a row You got most of everything out that you had and so what I've learned is in the past if I didn't drink anything Which would suck because if I drank just a little bit of water I'd have to throw up I would just not do anything and then you start dry heaving and that's just painful That's the worst so now what I was doing was when I before I went to the restroom And I would just like right before I just pound as much water until it's just ready to come right out But at least throwing up water is better than like Is there a way to throw up without waking up the whole house Every time I can't like I can't control that you know like like Courtney gets up. Oh my god What's happening? You know like I don't know if that happens to you Yeah, but it's just like the loudest like most obnoxious my buddy. I'm allowed my buddy calls it calling dinosaurs And I get like the like boutique eyes that they call it where it's like you you almost like bruise these little blood vessels Blood vessels pop out. Yeah, I get that every single time It's like you're like you're doing a max squat like you're straining that. Yes. Oh I can't do it any other way dude my abs when I was in Thailand and I got because that's the worst I ever had I've never had it like in Thailand where I was literally Started to get slightly hallucinatory I was literally in bed started to see things a little bit differently because I was I had a fever But when I was throw up I got sore my abs got sore the fall like yeah the next day I was like wow if I have to throw up again It's gonna hurt even more workout because my abs are in so much pain dude. So on that science tip I just got an article. I want to share with you guys, which is frickin rad. Let me pull it up real quick in Japan They've approved Now as part of a pilot study They have permission to treat people who have heart disease With cells that are produced by revolutionary reprogramming techniques. So what they do is they take They get cells from body tissues like skin and blood and they revert them to an embryonic like state And then which turn into goo from which they can turn into other cell types And what they'll do is they'll make these sheets of tissue that they developed from these These stem cells if you will hmm, and they'll put them on damaged hearts and then the hearts seem to be healing faster Wow, what how fucking cool like a gel it kind of turns into this I don't know it's pretty it's pretty awesome and now it's like some Wolverine shit to me. Yeah, it does right So it's like what they think is that this slathering that over my whole body So the cells don't integrate into the heart tissue. So at first when they first did this like oh shit the cells themselves are like Meshing themselves in know what they think that's happening is that they're releasing growth factors that then we help your body regenerate itself But do you think of the applications of this? Yeah, you know, oh there it is Doug Just pull it up think about how crazy that is right if you have like like damaged liver damaged kidney Whatever if they could like create these sheets of of stem cells Slap them on and then your body starts to rebuild itself Dude, that'll be a little reprogram. What do you think we'll have any what do you think will happen if we reach a point where? If you have a problem with one of your organs that you could just go to the doctor and they'll just you know Do something to fix it right away. Do you think people just say fuck it and do whatever they want? Well, that's Yeah, I do believe that I really I believe that like you know We see what's happening with and we talk about this all time with disease and the food and everything that I Feel like it's a race right now on like do we oh do we kill ourselves? Or we do a poop do we push the limit so bad? We're about to freaking kill ourselves off that we have to start coming back the other way nutritionally or The science of all fast enough to where you can do to do all that bullshit I see all the advancements of that, but then I've also been paying attention to comic books, you know I know where this goes. You've been paying attention to like you're gonna grow a tail Yeah, like you're gonna grow some fucked up scales. You know, there's gonna be side effects dude when this so here's Some shit, so you know what technology does is it makes it makes things less we were just talking about this earlier You know, I think it's at the beginning's podcast where we have this new device that helps us control the volume of our mics And our ears to ourselves or whatever Stuff like that would have been so expensive like 10 years ago, right? Like all the cameras and stuff we have here to produce our YouTube videos 15 years ago would have been You know half a million dollars with equipment today on our phone Yeah, so all this kind of technology at some point It's gonna be so decentralized that people will have the means if they're smart enough to kind of do it themselves You know, there's gonna be fucking people are gonna be experimenting on themselves Of course, they're gonna be like hmm. I'm gonna get myself eagle eyes. You know, I mean Do some shit to their eyes so they can see how far and I mean There's a guy that literally created like himself into a lizard like he wanted to like tattoos whole bodies with Scales and then like carve his teeth. So he's got these crazy teeth in his tongue He identifies as it's like, you know, yeah, this whole identifying as other things, right? That's gonna go fucking crazy Probably there's there was one guy who inserted all these sensors into his body What if all those futuristic movies got it right where they have like weird characters like Star Wars like that in there? I'm telling you guys differences. They all started like started as humans. Yeah, now they're humanoid, you know, whatever Reptilian there's lizard man right there is that gross motherfucker So so sci-fi oftentimes you like ask your your daughter out on a date. Oh my god What would you do if a dude like that who self-identified as a lizard you failed as a father? Yeah, yeah, you failed you failed, bro You know, you do you do that you brought this home that dude shows up to your fucking house as a dad, dude You fucking fail. I don't care how much good advice you've been given on mine, but The last two years if your daughter shows up with a motherfucker like that on your door You know what your ice cream cone with his fucked up I believe it goes like this every father the like the number one goal is to keep your daughter off the pole, right? That's the number one goal. Yeah, don't be a number two is like Do not let the lizard man come to pick your daughter up for fucking for the problem. Yeah, that's number two Underneath the pale. I've gone through so many of these scenarios in my head, right? Like what if my daughter shows up with some and my son, too It's not just a girl thing But you know as being a father you always tend to go really do you really worry about your son Bringing home something about this what if look you've got to you've got two boys Just yeah, what if your dad brings home some girl named at your son I'm sorry your son brings home some girl named bubbles or something like that and she's like hey Twirling your hair. Yeah, anyway, so and whatever I'll just shake my head and then you know man You still be a little worried, right? Like especially if your son was super involved, you know I'm super in love. I will look at that like hey, so I'll pull him aside, but you know like I hope this is a phase, right? Yeah Get through this. So I've got a problem. So is this the main girlfriend or is this Like you know, I'm gonna control your finance. Yeah, let's go do your thing, but let me control your son Listen, you brought the wrong one home tomorrow. This is the one that you go out with on Saturday night Let me tell you something. I got a boy and a girl and I guarantee you my son's gonna is heartbroken harder than my daughter Boys do totally boys get blasted early on by girls really early girls are useless Yeah, so but anyway I've gone through these scenarios on my head and I've imagined like what if she showed up with some fucking total loser And she's like, you know 17 and he's like 20 and he's got a motorcycle some weird shit There's a really good chance that could happen actually Rebel so I've been thinking about this right make tattoo. Yeah, and I'm like, you know what I would do I wouldn't react. I think the worst thing you could do would be reacked in a way or really like them I just act super cool like oh, yeah, okay. That's cool. Hey, what's up, bro? Yeah, are you you the move is for you to get a bike and be like, hey, let's go out Yeah, and they try and join his gang be friend throw it throw a pole through a spoke while he's driving. Oh shit. He died my bad Daddy had a motorcycle you killed him over that Snake tattoo that was enough Did my my sister no so my sister when she first started dating She invites this this dude over to do homework together now I was a very overprotective older brother. I got was terrible right my poor sister like I've got blessed her I feel so bad for but anyway, so this kid comes in Nice kid or whatever and he kind of shakes my hand when he walks in and I Obviously crushes hand with the handshake. It was the first thing I did Just kind of show him like listen listen, I got a grip. Yeah, so he comes in and I'm afraid yeah So then there that he's coming in and they're hanging out found that was a weird thing When guys do that I get that all when you meet people like for the first time They're like They like to give you like that everything they got stuff like what is that proof nothing that you've got a good ass It was my ego dude. I was I was hold was I was probably 20 or something like that I mean don't get me wrong like it also annoys me the other side of spectrum when people shake like this a little weekend Yeah, it's like four fingers and yeah, like yeah, exactly They give you do not get me the actually that's the only time I squeeze hard now If someone gives me the weekend that I'm gonna like I'm gonna remind them I'm gonna crush your bones You get some tension in that hand there buddy So he comes in I give him a hard handshake comes in We're all having conversation and a couple times he like he did something to assert himself a little bit And I was like all right, so then the conversation comes in and you know I'm like, so what do you do for fun? Whatever's like? Oh, I wrestle. I'm like, oh you do Like that's cool. I'm like, you know, I did a little judo when I was a kid, you know So I'm like me and my dad we like to grapple in the living room because we had this big living room with carpet So I'm like, dude, show me let's do this. I'm like show me some moves like this is cool You see that movie four Christmases What oh put that on your list to watch Yeah, dude, so I take him in the living room And I knew what he's gonna do because he's a wrestler. He was gonna try and do a double leg on me Just a traditional shoot your legs. Yeah, so I fucking choked the kids so hard, dude so fast He's like and I choked him and he didn't know to tap out so he passed out a little bit he comes to My sister was so upset. Of course. She was so mad. Why'd you you didn't have to go so hard? I'm like, I didn't I didn't go hard. I did I went hard I can't believe you guys haven't seen Vince Vaughn's four Christmases. No, no And he yeah, they had they go to so both their parents are divorced They go to all these Christmas and the one of the first house they go to is like her side of the family's Hella redneck and like he walks in the brother like is still he's like 40 and he's still into like wwf wrestling and she's like Straight wrestles him in the back yard wrestling. Yeah, yeah, fucking wrestles him in the living room Have you ever been in a situation like that where you go over a girlfriend's house or something and their dad or their Brothers try to assert themselves. Oh, yeah, you guys. What do you how do you guys handle that? You know, I think I think I just left it off being being a being a confident guy already I think you just part of being confident you're used to guys trying to Challenge you like that. I've I've always been I once I once I got up to you know, my junior year I sprouted up over six foot and even though I was a skinny guy. I wasn't a big guy Tall guys used to get get that all time when I walk would walk somewhere like I don't know what it is Yeah, I'm automatic like every guy is measuring himself against you. It doesn't even matter if you're Indifiting not didn't matter so you have muscles at all right Then you added when I got tall and I started to build like a physique on me Like I've always been the one of those guys that when I get into a place that people are always Dick measuring with me all time. So I think I'm kind of used to that So it doesn't really it doesn't really phase me when I see that in fact now I've seen it so much that You're you're so used to it and when you see a guy that's like that You know that he's really insecure and that's what's causing him to do that. So I'm like, oh this poor dude Yeah, yeah, like oh you're worried about me. Yeah. Yeah, like you're really yeah So yeah, I usually just try and like lighten it up and like not let it even phase me at all I've never had a guy try to wrestle me. That's that's interesting I don't know how old I would do that. I might have been like I might have been young I might have been 17 or 18 like pretty young and that you know right when you're younger than you too Yeah, she's about yes. Oh, no. No. No. I was I was young So I was like 16 because she was 14 and this was a 14. Yes. I was really young actually at the time So 16 year old salve The ego was a little bit a little different The ego is now you know, especially for my sister, right for my sister. I'm like, oh, you're gonna fucking you try and kiss my sister I'm gonna choke you out real quick. Yeah, I experienced that I've never experienced the other end of that because remember I had dated my at the time You know when I was married I dated her for so long I knew her family well knew each other But I experienced that when I went to Italy to visit family one year I was I think I was 20 and we went to visit and my cousin now keep in mind Part of my family is like old school back woods In the hills Sicilian. So this is like This is like not sure what that means like banjo Sicilian. Yeah So like imagine like back woods rural America You know compared to like, you know the Bay Area That's how this that's how Sicily and parts of Sicily are got it So you guys like milked your own cows like you did like bro. It's like I'll tell you an example So she was and this is real by the way I'm not you go next door to like borrow some milk from the neighbor and they give you a bucket to go outside Oh, no, no, so so sure. Here you go. Sleep with goats. So she my cousin was uh 18 or had just turned 18 eloped okay with a 36 year old man Just give you an example of how whoa how backwards yeah So and he in my family in Sicily is not well off at all But these guys were even more like in the hills type of deal So we go I go to visit and she had just eloped with the guy and so the we're like, let's go visit You know, let's go visit this her with her new husband So we drive up we're driving up in the fucking hills and we come up and We get greeted by and I'm not making this up dude to the grandfather Old brown burlap sack looking overall so like old school Sicilian looking clothes and a rifle He has a rifle on him And he shows up and he shakes our hand and they're talking old school Sicilian dialect Like the kind that my grandparents talked to when I was a kid So I'm like this is interesting So we get there And we're meeting the family and they have like a barn This is when I remember the told it the story I told you guys where they had the goat that was tied up And I thought it was a pet And then my uncle's coming and slaughtered the goat in front of me and I was like, oh What the fuck's going on here? Yeah, so it was a big barn and I start to meet the rest of their family and they're introducing me as You know and my is as my american cousin south so they already think i'm like They think america they think beaverley hills hollywood Totally different, you know type of people so I walk in and they're like, oh you're from america I also was kind of built at the time. I weighed about two maybe two fifteen. So i'm kind of Thicker and bigger Immediately the conversations are like so uh, are you as uh, is that just for looks? You know, i'm like, oh, well, no, I mean, I don't know You know I work out a little bit. Oh, so you you think you're strong then Well, I don't these are all like really macho Sicilians We also brought my gong my my grandfather with us and my grandfather is Very old school and is a shit talker. This is what he does He just talks hell of shit, especially if he thinks you're trying to be a badass So as soon as these guys are saying this to me and i'm shrugging it off and i'm laughing And they're all very like, you know, they got the like the what is that when they chew on the piece of hay or whatever Like just imagine that right so my grandfather real loud. He's like he's strong enough to kick your ass and i'm like Oh, he's fitting you. Yeah, i'm like, oh my god, dude And so everybody's getting worked up and they're like, oh, yeah, you You think you can kick my right you think you can kick my ass. I'm like no, I can't kick your ass You guys look like tough guys like I don't like to fight my grandfather's like he's just being modest He could kick two of your asses at the same time This guy's have a rifle and it starts getting kind of heated So then we go in the in the barn and everybody starts drinking wine And now my grandfather's getting loud and my grandfather's talking shit And I don't remember what their last name was he was I don't remember what it was But there's this weird image coming together in my head right now. This is exactly of this scene right here Bro, it's it's like the godfather part two when they go to sicily and they see like you guys watch part two Yeah, it's just like that. Okay where the women are kind of like careful Not to they say the wrong thing around their husbands and all that weird shit So we're sitting around this table in the barn We start drinking wine and the shit talking keeps going so then my grandfather stands up gets up on his chair Because now he's had some wine and he goes listen here. He goes. I don't remember what their last names were Okay, let's just say it was you know, I don't know. Let's say it was fettuccine or something So my grandfather stands up and he goes he goes the fettuccine's will never be as strong as the de stefanos Like makes this loud proclaimment and it's like challenging them Wow And my dad looks at me and he's like he makes the eyes at me like my dad's going what's happening My dad's starting shit and in My dad's about to go down and in the old school Sicilian like respect for your dad like my dad's a grown man. He ain't gonna say shit because it's his dad So he's like I can't say nothing. That's my dad. He's in charge of him So then they all get worked up and so then they start talking shit to me and they're like Well, if you're so strong Then you arm wrestle me right now on this table so everybody gets clear and everybody's getting all heated And so then my grandfather who's you now talking now They're talking shit now their patriarch who's their grandfather is talking shit to my grandfather My grandfather says before you arm wrestle sal Why don't you arm wrestle his brother who's only 14 years old if you can beat him Then we'll let you arm wrestle sound they all start laughing now. My brother's strong as fuck Like however strong I am it's built through resistance training like heavy This is just in his DNA meticulous like detail to like everything to try and be strong My brother naturally is fucking as strong as I am if I train really hard. Let's just put it that way So he's just a strong kid even when he was a kid So now everybody's laughing because the skinny 14 year old like yeah Nobody will kill him. We'll crush him. He's like well, we'll then give it a shot So my brother arm wrestles Their biggest guy says no, I'm not going to do it because he's a kid Have him arm wrestle my you know this other kid this other guy who's like the 17 year old So my brother fucking crushes him So now my grandfather's talking Hellish it You can't even beat a 14 year old like talking hellish it So then their biggest Dude on their family's like all arm wrestle him and and so I think my grandfather saw like oh He's he's probably gonna beat this little kid. It's fine. You can arm wrestle sal So he sits down His wife steps in and she goes no no no don't arm wrestle him The americans gonna hurt you because they saw my brother and sees me who's this 220 who I look like A massive guy to these guys because nobody ever works out in this area. I don't know what it looks like So he goes no don't arm wrestle him. He's gonna hurt you the americans are he fucking pushes her like face pushes her away Get out of here men are talking. I'm like oh shit. This is getting old school. This is getting crazy So then I arm wrestle him so we we get our hands together. So then my dad tells me in english He goes sal he goes he goes pretend like you're going hard But then I want you to embarrass him. So now my dad's getting in on it. Oh good now. He's drunk So that's what I did. I was pretending like I was straining and then I kind of laughed at him and I Smashed him my grandfather gets up on the table kicks over fucking wine bottles. I told you guys So everybody's talking shit It's getting super heated and then we became friends and then everybody was hella cool We were all good after that and then we came dude now. I know why you want that arm wrestling machine Yeah, dude, this is where it all comes from. Oh, it's so great. That's a great story You guys ever my grandfather passed away, but if you guys had ever I would love your grandfather People you know speaking of speaking of my my great uncle speaking of sexist men. I saw that You got your you got a little bit of heat for your bagel fucking post just just one One or one or two people so dumb dude people are so sensitive I think it's so crazy that we live in this this Oversensitive world that you can't it's a goddamn meme first of all right and it's a joke Everybody needs to calm down So the joke is the I'll read the beam the meme so people can I think you took it down, didn't you? Uh, I think no no, it's it was gone. It's inspired Okay, I was like, oh, I hope cell didn't take that down because of one person at messaging him some bullshit Okay, so here's the meme it's a it's a it's a bagel Where it's like a really plump bagel where you can't even see through the the hole in the bagel the holes And it says I'm closed up Yeah, and it says I'm young I want to find myself And then there's a picture of a bagel with a big hole in the middle and it says I want to settle down with a nice guy now It's a joke It's but I got two people who are like that's sexist. Yeah, it's not though It's not sexist. Well, why why can't it be a guy looking for another guy as he gets older? That's what I said to the other person. I'm like, it could be a dude. Right. It could be a bottom That's what makes me mad is it people are triggered like that over something. It doesn't matter even if it was like, this is Come on everybody. You know, here's the thing like we need to be able to be okay with Joking with each other and teasing each other like, you know, it's funny I have why is it okay? You you must post a bajillion memes. I can't even keep up with all of them I know and many of them are are teasing, you know, Liberals or different or or conservatives or conservatives, right? Or people like so those are people Why is that? Why is that okay? Why are we okay with certain things? But then why are we on this kick of like, oh if you do something like that like that's just for I think what happens is I think what happened. We're in a state right now where if you Make it's if you make fun of someone for being And this is true by the way you come at me and debate me if you don't believe so it's a hundred percent Sears did a great youtube on like this. I think it was a millennial one of I'm offended that you're offended No, no, this this statement. I'm gonna make it a hundred percent true You know a hundred percent true and we can debate as to why this is true And that's a good discussion. But what I'm about to say. There's no there's a hundred percent if I make fun of the christian religion white people Or men or or all three of the above straight white men who are christians I will get almost every it's not a big it's like open season. Yeah, if I say anything about anybody else In a joking manner or whatever then uh, I I could get hammered and ripped and all that stuff And I do understand the argument is that everyone would argue that all the other people have been oppressed for so long and then those people have been Celebrated for for so long. They call like punching up or whatever. Yeah punch up. You can't punch down Well, here's the way I look at it. If one is okay, then they're all okay or none of them are okay That's the that's the consistency. Hey, we knew we knew it when I like the south park approach day one everybody because exact right day Exactly. No, that's exactly mine pump, too That when day one when we all get together, we know how we knew how crude all of our humor was right and inappropriate That all of it was that's how we are like that's And I want and we all agreed right that we wanted to be ourselves when we're on this show And it's like listen we're gonna put ourselves in the comedy. Yeah, like yeah We're gonna give some really good fitness information and put some science out there put some really Intelligent conversations on this show, but at the same time, too I want to have some fun and be Make fun of ourselves on a daily, right? So, you know on top of every single type of person individual like we're gonna make fun of you Dude, sorry that's gonna happen. I get made fun of daily in our forum Forum members will make post a meme about me You know Like talking shit, and it's endearing like I it's okay. I I tend to make the thing I'm like I'm making fun of your voice or something like that's something because I like you You know what I mean? It's like or like I don't know I Sometimes that that like crosses my mind like we're talking even with like tarot It really annoys me like to like sal staying where you know why because being being offended is empowering That's why it feels empowering to someone like is that what it is you're you're seeking That's what you're seeking. You're seeking power to to claim you're a victim Is to say it's to claim power over someone when you tell them like if I tell you Like if you're making a point to me, and I'm like, you know what? I'm offended and you're being you know, whatever Racist sexist or you're being oppressive towards me right now, and you're just talking or whatever I've now I've got the trump card. I've got the like it's the power over you. It's the same reason why Here's why it's the same reason why somebody who's 85 percent Of european descent and 15 percent Native american descent descent will usually claim the native american descent. They'll say they'll say to people Oh, well, I'm I have a friend check this out. I have a friend who got a tattoo On her leg of this native american headdress now. She looks a hundred percent irish But it's because she says that some ant or something or some Or whatever it was was it was a you know native american. She did a 23 me test and guess what she wasn't she wasn't at all It wasn't at all and she wasn't raised that way that fire. Yeah, it's like, you know I'm not telling anybody after I get Because the tattoo ain't going away that process is revealing. I found out I'm like way more Scandinavian I didn't even know I was Scandinavian at all It's like I'm like man the vikings were fucking on a tear Yeah, I mean they're in your country. They just they just took over at like I bet you anybody that's european is like Definitely Scandinavia. You know and the other thing too is humor There's different levels of humor humor can be very individual What one person thinks is funny one person thinks is not funny, right? But I'll I'm not I share this with a lot of people I find Very inappropriate type dark humor the most funny. I love it. We all do I love it when people cross lines and say Shit that you're not supposed to say but I know it's light hearted and they're not actually Bad people it's about the intent behind it Yeah, because we're all we're all disruptors by heart. Like if somebody's actually racist I'm not going to associate myself. It's not funny at all. Yeah, somebody's actually sexist I think you're small minded and you're a piece of shit If somebody's actually, you know hurtful or hateful You're a piece of shit if you're not and you're a good person and you make jokes And you break the tension by saying things, you know, you're not supposed to whatever the tension that everybody has On a daily basis they wake up and you know, everything's still demanding the world's out to get them like let's lighten it up That's it There's there's it's a sign of the times when comedians are afraid to perform at colleges. That's all I have to say Isn't that crazy? Yeah, isn't that crazy? That's where we're at right now that we have comedians That just can't even perform at college at colleges anymore because they're jokes. What the fuck? It's terrible. That is the funniest shit. I've ever heard. Yeah. Yeah, it's not literally a closet thing Yeah, so it's weird. It's this like, you know I don't know and I would you guys think it take take your pills, dude. That was a that was a crazy That's right. Yeah, we didn't even talk about that. That was a crazy We all watch take your pills I watched it the night before and I and I and a shout out to whoever's been DM I mean, I've had a couple people Keep following up on me. Did you watch take your pills? Did you watch take your pills? We finally watch take your pills Actually one of my favorite documentaries not just a really good job. Yeah, because it's done really well It's actually really it's shot really well Something like what was it? We just watched one before that that I thought was just kind of like not well made Well, they didn't It wasn't like all about how horrible, you know, the drug is that for the majority of the beginning It was like why it's so enticing and why, you know, why people have, you know Like been drawn towards it and and been using it, you know And in in like, you know studying for tests and you know, all these different reasons But it's just like then they get to the point where like, okay Well, here's where it leads and here's the road that I looks like I did not know the history behind ADHD and what we used to call it All right, you know back in the 30s and marginal brain damage, right? That's what they called it To me that was the name of that was the most like holy shit They changed it to 80d because no parent wants to take a kid and get diagnosed with that They'd rather have 80d then they can prescribe no parents going to accept their kid is is half brain dead You know and because they named it that that's which by the way, obviously you're not right But that's what they called it right? That's what they scared people away from agreeing that their kid could potentially have it now You give it something like 80d Oh my my my son or my daughter just has a hard time keeping in their attention. That's not so bad like, okay I have no so revealing like the parents mentality towards like just completely Oh, I just you know, I heard like my friend does this with their kid and then you know The doctor prescribes it so willingly and they don't even like second guess that they're giving their child like medication And like what the ramifications are doesn't even do any back study on that Yeah, I was like what we were definitely in the middle of a amphetamine Epidemic we have an opioid epidemic and amphetamine epidemic in terms of prescription drugs the amount of children right now We've exceeded the peak of methamphetamine use in the in the us before now Was in the 60s when it was just getting prescribed like crazy And it was getting prescribed to housewives businessmen people were getting injections of it So because they've been around for a long time. Yeah. Now. What is it called like sniff or snuff before it was not Isn't that what that is the the butarole or the Oh, it was an inhaler Benz. Yeah, Benzadrin or Benzadrin Benzadrin wasn't that wasn't it the the street name or the Whatever it was called or like the short name for it was just snuff or sniffing For the bombers right in world war two Yeah, but not only that but it was very popular with banking and businessmen and stuff I kept it going you even see like called a pep Increase your pep. Yeah, maybe that's what it was me I know I know that it was I mean you see it the people don't So an example right off the top of my head, but I know I've seen this multiple times Jim Carrey's Christmas Carol the cartoon There's a part in there where the There's like three bankers. They're outside, you know, they're all cartoons So they're laughing so that and they're they're about to go inside and you see one of them Put something up to his nose and snored it looks like he just takes a bump off of his off of his thumb And you know if you catch that you're like what the fuck that's a cartoon you just did it but What it is it's that stuff. There's the methamphetamine. That's the way they were getting it Yeah, because it was so widely accepted It was and housewives were prescribed it So they could do more housework and be more peppy and up for their husbands or whatever and men were using it in business And then the met then, you know, it became like a big street drug was called speed They clamped down on it use drop considerably until it became this big thing to prescribe people these methamphetamines for ADD and today I don't know how many millions I think what was it like one out of every 10 kids is diagnosed with ADD and the vast majority of them Is on these medications by six years old now keep in mind This is a drug that definitely has powerful influences over brain chemistry kids speed by six years old Dude, that's fucking great And here's the one that blew me away because I know there's somebody listening right now who potentially probably has put their Kid on ADHD or put them on this medication Was the study that came out to show that it isn't doing anything to your brain It doesn't make you smarter does not it does not improve cognitive function All it is if you give somebody fucking speed Anybody speed with or without ADHD all these good and confident. Yeah, it gives you this well-being right? It makes you feel more makes you perceive yourself as being smarter, right? Because they did a big study on this where they had they which I would I would argue that if you gave a Bunch of people coke the same thing would happen to yep very similar right very similar Yeah, what they what they did is it is a placebo control this where they gave some people You know Adderall or Ritalin and some people nothing And then they had them take these tests and they had baselines obviously they took the test without them And the scores were no better, but the perceived You know the people perceive this themselves as being smarter did this pill Make you help you perform better on the anybody who's done any sort of methamphetamine drug or cocaine or anything like that Knows exactly that you feel fucking awesome one. Yeah, you feel fucking like Superman. That's right And so there's that it doesn't really help in that particular sense And then the other thing is that you have a generation of children who Go are going through school on this substance going through college on this substance And you've built this relationship with it where you think you need it How do you how do you plan on coping in the real world? Yeah, when you know you get out of school or anytime now when you have to handle difficult situations One of the side effects by the way of methamphetamines is psychosis. Thank you. I was just going to bring that up Like I that that's what seriously worries me, especially how those numbers have inflated so much of usage, right? And like having kids starting so young and then using it For that amount of time like and it has some potential side effects for psychosis Psychosis is a real meth heads, right? We know what they what they can do what they're capable of there's that stereotype You are giving or you are taking a Almost identical version of that in a lower dose and all that stuff But it's still it's still a form of of meth But you know we have millions of kids on methamphetamines and millions of kids on SSRI drugs which are serotonin reuptake inhibitors which you know influences serotonin System in the brain for things like depression anxiety whatever and what's the biggest problem? Like we face right now. You you see these kids doing crazy terrible shit You know we talk about these these shootings in schools. Didn't you say that they're trying to connect that to that right now? There's they have been they've been talking about this because look here's the deal like guns what it's not the guns Well guns have been a part of american culture from day one So they've been around for a long time And it's a relatively recent phenomenon I say relatively because it's not like recent as in recent like this decade This is you know these types of things have been happening since the 1960s In fact in 1990s. We saw Uh gun you know school shootings were actually higher than they are today But since then we've seen the kind of this kind of Phenomenal where every once in a while you see a kid going up to a school or whatever and shoot up a school And it's like what the fuck's going on look guns have been around for since day one in america It was part of the part of our bill right when we try and point it towards bullying and things like that too It's like come on dude. No kids are going crazy kids have been bullying kids since we were kids worse probably worse Yeah, kids some some of these kids are going crazy and getting that level of psychosis and I'm not saying that they are the cause of it But there's definitely There could be some potential there like let's take a look you if you take let me put it this way Yes, studies will show that ritalin aterol ssri's In studies don't typically cause these problems although small percentage may right especially if you're susceptible But now spread that out over millions tens of millions of kids Right well now all you need is like one or two kids to lose their shit And do some crazy shit like epigenics something like expresses, you know the and it like creates that the potential is there Especially when you're looking at numbers wise how many how many tens of thousands or millions of kids millions of kids that are now On that dude, that's crazy. This is why this is why you know when we talk about herbs and stuff like that And I'm always saying like look there maybe at the moment. There's no science supporting that this herb does this However, it's been used in this particular culture for 5,000 years So it's been established in that culture that it helps with whatever stomach ailment cough, you know, uh immune system whatever So figure 5,000 years means millions and millions of people have used it over that period of time Now when the when we do drug testing Even the most rigorous drug testing you're looking at Thousands of people in studies The real test is when we put out in the market and then we start to see millions and millions of people use them Then you start to see little weird things start to express themselves And this is why fda approved drugs get taken off the market every day Like these are things that went through the whole rigorous process of going through all the most I mean the fda has the most rigorous process of regulating and approving drugs in the world But yeah, still some get pulled off still we'll have a drug that's that all of a sudden Oh, we got to pull it off looks like it causes dementia You know, oh, we got to pull this off the market looks like it causes heart problems, you know So, you know, these are all You know drugs that affect the brain. You're putting a bunch of children on it It's definitely affecting neurotransmitters, which definitely affect how the brain Develops you put enough kids on it. You you're gonna see some weird shit Maybe potentially I tell you what if you're a parent that's ever even considered doing this or you are doing this with a kid Like this is that document absolutely have to watch this documentary I think it's it explains it really really look, you know, I've taken I've tried and taken Uh, Adderall and Ritalin. Yeah, it's awesome. I've tried them And when I took them the like the first time I tried an Adderall I was like, okay, like I could see why this this is an addictive substance you get a very, you know pronounced feeling of euphoria and Confidence and whatever my god if I was raised on that I would have a difficult time functioning without it because I would build up my confidence based on that You know, like, what do I do now? Like how do I develop, you know, and like especially socially too, you know Like that's tough, man Plus think about this when they said this on the on the on the documentary which I thought was brilliant The ability to deal with emotions to deal with boredom to deal with lack of motivation to deal with these challenges A lot of times that's where creativity comes from that's where growth comes from that's where You know, all these incredible ideas that we see Brilliant minds come up with A lot of times they come up from those states of mind They don't come from someone feeling really good motivated and focused on one thing They come from those other States of mind like how many artists and musicians You know, are we gonna what are we gonna be creating in the future for all medicated to be these focus robots Who can complete these organized tasks? You know what I mean? It's it's it's just really scary to me and then Matt the millions of children that are on it and people Yeah Well, it's so competitive Right and like a lot of parents get stuck into the trap of like setting their child up for success so early And like having like doing all these things like perfect because it's you know, like so-and-so is doing it And you know, I have to make sure that my child can have the edge and the competitiveness And it's like they're all competing for what to be a better student Oh, how about the how about the what was it a sixth grade or I don't even younger the teacher that When the kid got transferred to that school it was like a Like a private school or whatever and she said the first day school She had brought her kid there that she asked if he was on any if he needs to be on medication Yeah, because every kid in the class makes your job easier as a teacher Imagine you have a whole kid on at all a whole classroom on at all The kids are going to be very they can sit and focus they're going to sit do their work Listen to what you're saying be very focused. Maybe you know and you know that makes your your job easier But then you got a bunch of test takers. I wonder how many teachers are we're are we're actually doing that You know saying that's I didn't even think that that of that like oh wow How many teachers would love for their kids to be just medicated like that? So their job look look here. We know fucking scary. Look. We know here for a fact This is not my opinion. This is a hundred percent confirmed Okay If you get kids and you and you you reduce their activity tremendously So they're not playing outside. They're not expressing themselves physically. They're sitting down In a classroom on a desk or watching tv or on a computer all day long Plus you combine that with a shitty diet and lots of distractions It's going to express itself as hyperactivity or inability to focus or irritability or whatever right bottom line Get your kid. I look I got two kids. I see it all the time get them outside exercising to come in All of a sudden they're way easier to manage and more calm, especially when you change your diet and all that stuff So it's that whole like it's an easy And I know look I know there's kids out there that need Medical intervention. I get that but do we really think one tenth of all the children in America? Fuck no have a have a medical diagnosis that it's real or that it's an actual issue Or it might be the environment, you know as far as like education like how we're teaching them things and like You know getting them up and moving and all that is part of the process Dude, some of the ads they were showing for for these drugs for kids. So dirty. Yeah, so bad. It's so dirty Yeah, like, oh, thanks mom. I can do my homework now. It's like, oh shit. They're selling it as Hey, give this to your kids so they can perform better. So you feel better about I don't know man. It's it's it's creepy. It's a little it's a little bit alarming It's a little unnerving It's it's the typical western approach, right? We want to take away all the challenges of life And make life feel easier, right? Like I was having this so I was having this conversation the other day with uh with jessica And we were I don't remember what was what we were doing. We're watching something And it was like it was a movie showing You know like 17 year old girl talking to another 17 year old boy or whatever and we I was laughing because How much more Emotionally evolved in advance girls tend to be at the same age as boys just the fact like Girls are just emotionally far more intelligent Than boys are at a young age and it takes men typically a long time To start to approach that that level and so me and jessica. We're talking about this and speculating as to why Why is this I understand the evolutionary purpose of it? Potentially what what we think but like why are girls? Why do girls advance so much faster? with their understanding of emotions and themselves then boys do and the the thing that we came up with was because girls at a young age Go through dramatic hormone fluctuations and so it's like they're put through the ringer They have to become emotionally intelligent because One minute they're estrogenist stasis again Well, they just have to learn how to deal with it like imagine if you were as a imagine as a boy at the age of 11 or 10 Like your hormones just fluctuate like you have to learn how to deal with that and you become smart On dealing with emotions as a result whereas boys We're like we we get horny and we you know, I'm sure puberty hits, but it's kind of like easy and the same So for us it's like duh everything's kind of easy, right? So we we're kind of dumb in that sense and it's that it's that going through that challenging process that Is one of the reasons I think why women and girls in particular just are so much more emotionally intelligent And empathetic than boys at the same age. Oh, you think so. I definitely think so I think much of that goes all the way back to like when they're just early on ages, too I think just being seeing your mother and connecting that way too. It could I think all of those things But like imagine if you had to go to I do I know I I definitely you just went through having low testosterone for how much did you evolve? Right because you had to do that. You know, so I so I do I do somewhat agree with you I think that they're they're for sure has something to do with that like having to manage your hormones That young when you're forced to as a kid you got to kind of gather yourself Right, you can't be this you can't go to school ever if you're a young teenage girl You can't go to school every day and fucking scream at everybody every time you feel like what's going on, right? Or else you'll be an outcast. Yeah, so my forces you to kind of evolve My point with all that is now girls are being placed on birth control at young ages and women and or placed on SSRI drugs To control the the the the bad effects of the hormones like the PMS or the moodiness or whatever you want to call it Like I know you know how many women are prescribed SSRIs and and anxiety medications because Around their period around their PMS because they it helps them, you know normalize it. Yeah, or whatever Like you're taking that away and that's again what we're doing with the medication for hyperactive kids Like rather than learning how to handle it manage it Look at other options and maybe what that can contribute to what we're always in life We're always trying to skip the hard part. Yeah when reality that's where the lesson lies, right? I think that's all it's there's a lesson in that so much I always take the hard road man because that that's just the thing the low let the road less just learn less travel Just learn from it. 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He's a good guy Dude travel We're we're we're now starting to really learn how to kind of manage this I guess But when you're when you're traveling depending on for us at least we sleep less We're more stressed out because we're obviously traveling To do an event or to to podcast with other people so it's a little bit more we may all look at this We may all look at this differently. Yeah, it's just it's just different challenges So I guess I'll speak for myself personally I try to prioritize Some exercise, um at least like let's say if we're gone for Five days. I'll try and get at least two or three Scheduled workouts. I try to get to bed or at least get a decent amount of sleep during that period of time but i'm not working out to Like maximize my performance as much i'm just doing it to maintain myself so I can I would echo that as far as the intensity goes like I definitely save my more intense days for when I'm consistent and I'm here and I'm not traveling versus when I'm traveling it's It's it's nice if like, you know, if we have it so it's structured where There's free time and like, okay. Well, great. Now we can go to a gym. That's close by or we can figure something out That's going to be movement Based like some activity because I do man. I hate sitting. I hate sitting and I hate doing things Um where I'm inactive my body just really just I start to not feel good like it really affects me. So Um anything I can do to get in the sun, you know to get out, you know in nature and Just move is is a success, you know when I'm traveling But yeah, I love I love it when we we make time to actually like, you know Get like a light workout in at least because then I feel My my body just feels better my energy levels are better when we go into Podcast or do work wherever we are, you know when we're traveling But yeah, that's that's become a big thing if we can at least get like a moderate kind of a workout in while we're there Maps anywhere is perfect for this. I mean that's that's part of the reason why we designed it was to create workouts that can be done anywhere hence the name maps anywhere and I love because I don't do a shit ton of body weight training and Tension work on my own But when we travel that's when I'll take that opportunity like when we when we went out when we traveled with Robert Oberst You know, there's a couple times we went outside and got a workout We got some actually good photos out of that too but we took bands with us and we did band exercises and body weight stuff and mobility type stuff and so You know, I kind of take it sometimes as an opportunity to do things that I may not normally Do with my body if I'm in my home gym and stuff like that and It just feels so much better. I don't really I don't really stress about it that much The biggest thing that I think that we've gotten much better about and I think that we've we've figured out is The eating piece that was probably the most challenging thing is what was when we first started traveling It was like, you know, I could feel myself wanting to just fall off like oh, we're traveling We're out like this like and we I especially when we were first doing this because I was competing And so it was like, oh, this is nice. This is like a cheat weekend for me Or I'm not going to worry about anything and just eat whatever But then I ended up feeling miserable because Justin I would eat pizza or something like that, right? So dude, I was like, yeah, you don't always pull me in I would for the kill I would it's an easy target. He's an easy target But so here's the thing it all depends on my my goals like I'm not competing right now If I was in the middle of competing, I would make it a priority I would get up before the boys wake up in the morning. I would go We're always near a gym somewhere or we do have our bands with us We have things that I can do to keep my fitness going But sometimes if anything like for for me, this is me speaking for myself I I I probably flirt more with being the obsessive workout person more so than I am the guy that like Doesn't ever work out, right? So when I go into a weekend like this where we're traveling My priority is just shift. It's like this is we're in business mode We're doing something like that. So my thought processes around that So I want to do more recuperative type stuff So if I'm gonna I don't even want to train a hard session Like I have no desire to I'm normally the guy if anyone that is pushing back like I don't really want to go to the gym like I have no desire to go hammer Myself inside the gym why we're already flying in planes sleeping in other people's beds Like that to me is not I'm already stressing my body with that and we're we have pressures of oh We're gonna I'm gonna be standing up and speaking to people tomorrow Like my brain's going a million miles an hour on other stuff So the gym to me and going to to work out because I want to look a certain way Isn't as much of a priority. So getting some maybe band work. I mean when we go to Texas We always we always have a pool. So I was doing and I'm rehabbing my Achilles steel So I was doing pool work on my Achilles. I got bands in my in my bedroom So I'm doing some you know stuff for my posture, but it's not really hardcore training now If you have a hark like and I know he trains so I so I could see where the question is coming from For you like how to okay if you're getting ready to compete Like well, yeah, like if I was getting ready to compete I would I would literally leave the guy If I had to and go get my own You know session that I need to keep my body on pace for Stage ready in you know X amount of weeks before I get on there and it and I would make the time Even I would make the time even if I knew it isn't what's best for my overall health because my goals are different Because my goals are I've got a competition. I've got to present myself a certain way within six weeks I can't miss this workout. It's scheduled. It's part of my volume. It's part of everything that I've planned out I I will if that means I got to get up at 5 a.m And train before everyone gets up where I got to stay up late and go train at midnight I'm going to do so but that's not me being trying to be balanced and healthy like I'm in a different space right now And so I'm thinking of okay. We just flew for four hours time change difference Uh, we're you know getting up early tomorrow morning to do a seminar or something like that You know, could I go squeeze the gym in like yeah, I could but it's not a priority for me right right there And and if I choose to eat the right foods, which is this is why I started with this that that's the most important thing to me Right now if I choose to make sure that I make healthy choices nutritionally that I'm going to be just fine Yeah, like in fact my body will probably it probably serve me to not train for a couple days I look at it like when I train as I'm traveling. Well, there's two things first off I do personally Fully enjoy working out in different places. It's just a fun thing from always always have so if I'm traveling somewhere I do like to find different gyms. I don't care what gym it is Even if it's a hotel gym for whatever reason I have a lot of fun doing that But I also, you know, like Adam I view the workout not as to improve my performance it's really just to You know because usually when we travel we work more a lot more So it's really just to make me perform better at that So a break move my body feel real good could be 30 minutes. Usually that's what it is Right. I love when we do like every now and then like when we're in on it We go do the sauna or do things like that when we're using the mobility and then yeah Like our training when we travel is more Recuperative I think what I do too is if I know we're going to be gone for about three or four days Which is typically the length of our travel Then what I'll do is I'll lead into that with a little overreach right right So I'd really push it hard the days leading up to it And then knowing I that's how we all do that's going to be a rest something we all have in common We all get a really good training session even though it's not together We all get our get a good lift in before we head off But there are people you know listening who Travel is a is like half their life. You know what I mean? Like they have a job where Where it's literally 50 that's a very good totally different scenario That's where maps anywhere was created. It was created for that person It is not created even though you couldn't still use it. Okay. There's two people I really I personally envisioned when we did maps anywhere It was either one like you just said sal someone who spends almost 50 percent of their time traveling So therefore they need a good workout. Yeah, they can do anywhere right They need a good workout that they could do absolutely And then then there's the other person who might be a competitor like Sean is so this is he's an example of this person Who how I would use maps anywhere is you don't you can't sacrifice any muscle You're you got to be building you have a show in 12 weeks or whatever So you've got to stay on pace But then you might be traveling and gone for four or five days Like and you might be in a hot stuck in a hotel room because you're doing banquets or banquet style type shit or whatever So if you're that person like I definitely see maps anywhere being an excellent tool for that person now if you're just a Normal person who's chasing overall health and want to be fit and strong like you mean nutrition is number one Watch I think the biggest thing that people fuck up is nutrition when they're traveling when you're traveling sure Nutrition is the hardest hardest thing and being okay with one fasting. Okay. That this is also what we do a lot Taylor hates to travel with all of us. Yeah, because we this we don't eat No, we just don't eat we just all go. This is a great time for us to incorporate lunch fasting And we'll just we'll work all day and not eat so therefore again if if that's we're right for flying Not sleeping the best. We're we're also not consuming a lot of food Like really getting into the gym and getting a major workout is probably not even that ideal I will say this though of all the and I know you guys I'm sure you guys will agree of all the programs and stuff we sell the one that Shocks people the most most underrated for sure. It's maps anywhere. Yeah Who is it Christina rice? Christina rice just just did and that's the one that train when we get trainers that actually go through it They're like, oh, fuck this is dude You can I'm telling you right now the way we wrote that program and I call it and no She was laughing because the where we filmed it in that house That's right And we did that on purpose to show that you could do this in a house by the way And we were kind of being silly as we're doing it. Yeah, but the but if you and we had a very low budget back Very little budget but we didn't have any models I was doing some weird stuff the way you we wrote the program was How could we make this as effective as a routine that uses weights or as close as we can as possible? And I think we did a fucking good job So when you follow the program because there's all I know there's a lot of people listening too Who just don't want to go to a gym. They just don't want to work out with weights They want to work out but they don't want to do it in a gym. They just want to do it at home Like it will blow you away We wrote it in a way that it's going to be super effective So you can get a lot of progress without any equipment You just have to be smart with how you program your workout Next question is from joe pushner Are there some things to try when someone feels like they may actually be sliding backwards? Even when they're programming and nutrition have been consistent with what got results before what ways are there some things? Yeah, like what can you do? Let's say you've you're you've been consistent like this stuff's worked for you before your workouts worked for you before Nutritional worked for you before but all of a sudden your body's your body's not progressing This is actually really common in the competitive world Really really common. So I see this a lot with guy. I mean, I remember having lots of conversations with my peers I was like, man, I'm I'm on the exact same amount of macro my macros are the same I'm training just as hard my cardio is the same. I'm doing all these things and like my body is just not responding well It's just not it's not responding well to what the same stimulus And so that a lot of times is what it is It's just This is a result for at least from what my experience and a lot of what I've seen is The overtraining and and constantly hammering the body The same way for a long period of time and it's just got very adapted and efficient And so just because you're eating good and you're training good If it's something that you've been doing a lot or similar to that for a very long time You're seeing minimal to no results from it. It's actually Very common and even more common and the people that are Even more consistent you would think as a competitor that these guys and girls don't have a hard time with this This is actually a common issue that I see and I thought that it was something that Blew my mind is what I would the only way that I would see these guys change in girls Is two things the two variables that they would know how to really change and that was They would either ramp up more cardio, which is always crazy to see or more drugs less Yeah, it's it's it would be less calories. Yeah strict But you can only go so far with that right like every everybody knows like oh shit Well, I'm down to eating 1500 calories like I'm already yet They'll still do it because I those are like the two metrics that like People tend to kind of be susceptible towards like those are the only two things that are going to change my body This happens with everybody. This is the same thing with people with with wellness like hey I this diets always made me feel real good. Now all of a sudden I'm inflamed and I have gut issues Like what's going on? Here's the thing you need to understand your body's not the same It's not the same today as it was yesterday Definitely not the same a year from now it is today in 10 years from now So what you did before worked for that particular version of your body and that particular Combination of circumstances that you were under today. It's not working for you. So try different things This is why I don't like classes and I know I hammer things like orange theory and boot camps and stuff like that a lot because You know the first time that you signed up for orange theory or the first time you signed up for joe's boot camp And you started doing it and you decided to get on your diet and do that You saw phenomenal results and you told all your girlfriends and you told all your friends. You gotta try this class out It's fucking awesome. I look great everybody's complimenting you and then a year goes by two year goes by And you do just like what everybody does on and off the wagon You're really good about your class and eating then you're not so good Then you're really good not so good And then what you're starting to notice year over year is like fuck each time I do this I'm not getting back to that first shape that I got into and that's a vicious cycle Dude, it's so interesting because there's also the parallel with I see this all the time when I go Do pickup games like with basketball or you know, like a lot of guys like are like soccer or something like that Like I was in phenomenal shape and so I would just go play, you know pick up games again And start trying to get in shape like I get that all the time like I'm trying to get in shape again And it's like not working for them. Yeah, it's just like like, you know, your body literally needs a new stimulus And you need to step out of your comfort zone and and and get you know, get your body to respond by doing some different Yeah, and I have theories on the nutrition side too that I just I don't think we know enough about that too that I think that why would it be any different? I talked about this a long time ago on on mind pump in a while And that is like, why would I think it's any different if I am feeding myself? Consistently same types of times I'm prepping my meals. I'm doing all over and over and over just same way Like if I were to do that with a training program, why would I not think that my body Would not get adapted to that same theory that I have on people that intermittent fast every single day It's like, you know intermittent count after a while, right? I think after a while the the results or the benefits Start to diminish, right? So why would it be any different for nutrition as it is for programming? So honestly, you know, I think the mistake that someone that like I have and I don't know who this person is Who's asking this question, right? It's tough for us to be certain without me actually really Having more information like what have you been doing for the last year two three years? And what is your programming nutrition looks like but a lot of people think just because Yeah, let's say you had maps like say you had maps read like you have maps read Which is a great program and you are following some carb cycling diet that works for you But you've been doing that for the last three years always over and over and over and over after a while like Yeah, you're just because those both even using sal's an example of like figuring out about histamines You know all of a sudden like, you know, you're doing everything right like beforehand But then you realize that this you know could be you know, if you're if you're introducing it too much It could be problematic or a different angle My body gave me some signals and if I was hard-headed and I'm like no, this has always worked Keep going forward Not gonna work. You're just gonna keep getting Louder and louder signals that it's not gonna work. So you just gotta listen to look here's here's the deal when it comes to Program, let's start with that when it comes to programming. There's this Wide breadth or this big Category of things that can contribute towards your goal. So let's say your goal is to build muscle Okay, your maximum goal is build muscle What rep ranges build muscle? Most of them most of them will build build muscle on your body if it's a new stimulus And when I say most I mean under Like the crazy like under 30 reps or under 25 reps right all those muscle building ranges like one to five reps You know eight to 12 whatever Take what your programming is now and go on a different one So if you're if you're training 15 reps on everything or 12 reps on everything Try that a few weeks of you know one to five reps or if you're always one to five reps Try the 15 reps for a few weeks So there you go right there all of them contribute to building muscle, but they're very different So change it that way nutrition. Here's another example Let's say you've always eaten keto and it just works great for you now all of a sudden God when I go keto, I can't get that lean or whatever Just try eating some carbs throw some carbs in there. Don't go crazy But you know throw some carbs in there see how your body responds Mix it up a little bit and see what happens Whatever you're doing isn't working anymore And it's not because of what you're doing in the sense that it's the same thing that you've always been doing It's that you're applying it to a different body different circumstances different set of circumstances in which case Time to try something different That's the also good to look at other factors that we haven't really touched on too because I've seen stuff like this Where someone is doing really good programming doing all the right things But then stress and sleep as fucking just happens to be bad in their life right now And they think oh i'm doing the same right right like you have they have this big Like emotional thing that happened either they lost a family member or gone through a divorce Or something really really stressful on their life and they're kind of carrying that burden And then maybe they're not sleeping very well or their job They've got a new new stimulus mentally there people don't realize how much that could really affect the results that you're used to getting You know maybe before you were in a much better mental physical state going into this programming and nutrition And this time that's out of whack and so you got to evaluate some of those things too So there's many variables that could be going into the causing this person and not See the results that they're used to but it is more common than you think and this is also why All the program this is why the super bundle is probably the most popular bundle that we sell Because we we've tried to hammer home the hammer home the importance of Rotating through different adaptations It's just even though we know that we've sectioned them to market to a specific type of person Like performance is supposed to go towards an athlete But that doesn't mean that if you're just an average joe who doesn't want to play sports You shouldn't do performance performance is a type of Adaptation that you should incorporate into your training if you want to continue to see progression and results That would be a great thing So if you're somebody who has one of the maps programs and you're following it because you most identified with that one Because you heard sal say maps anabolic is heavily strength based or a great foundational program So now you're following that because you think you fall in that you follow it over and over Yeah, and you keep following it over and over again It's like no go over to the performance one Even if you don't think of yourself as an athlete or the same thing goes for the aesthetic Like even if you don't care that much about aesthetics doesn't mean that that modality or that adaptation is not going to highly benefit you So you should be constantly cycling you should and this is a lesson that I have been taught So many times in my fitness career so many times will I do something New or try something and it works and then I marry it and I'm stuck on it And I'm like this is what works. I'm just going to do this And it's like I has to get to the point where it's so painfully obvious. We're like, oh, wow Not only does not work anymore. I'm going backwards then I have to kind of change out of it and luckily I'm open-minded enough To do so, but I learned this lesson. I mean early on when I first started lifting I was doing ridiculous amounts of volume So then I read Mike Mencer's heavy duty and I was like, oh one set to failure Pro body part try that then I did that and of course my body responded So what do you think I did forever until I learned that lesson? Then I did that and then so many times if I learned that lesson in my life where it's like look When your body's telling you it's not working anymore switch it up change it out Watch what happens throw something different at your body and that backward slide should oh the sooner you can get ahead of it You know the the more likely you're gonna keep progressing So yeah, you just have to be open-minded to that and and you know really try it out Next question is from my fit food diary How should one begin reintroducing calories after prolonged restriction without the fear of gaining too much fat? Oh, this is a good question that we just addressed with uh lane. Yes, the lane episode go up Sunday. Okay. So this is this school. So this just goes right before and then then the lane So he brought into some so we get in a little bit more He brought up some new science that I've done a little bit of reading on and which is fucking Fascinating so here's the deal here's how it works and they did this with animals And I think this is what's happening with humans as well When you go on a diet when you restrict your calories or go into calorie deficit you you actually lose body fat obviously And what happens is your fat cells shrink now? We used to think That there are only a few times in life when you can actually add Num the number of fat cells to your body one of them is during puberty Another one would be during the third trimester of pregnancy a woman might add fat cells You know when you're a baby or whatever But other than that it was pretty much believed that your fat cells just grew and shrink and that was it and you didn't add More fat cells to your body, but what they found was is when they put animals on calorie restriction Uh fat cells shrink and then if they really if they started feeding them a lot right away The body will will gain that weight back. So let's say the let's say the mouse lost 10 grams of of body weight They gave them more food got their body weight up to 10 grams But it wasn't through the fat cells growing it was from adding new fat cells And then they would and then what happens is those fat cells will then try and reach the old size that they were before So they'd gain an additional two grams or whatever So this is fascinating because this is what this is telling us is this concept of severe restriction and then binging And the reason why so many people find it harder to get lean After they continue doing the cycle and we see this in competitors all the time Or they where they restrict themselves get super shredded then post competition. They binge eat Crispy cream. Yeah, and then they do this two three four times all of a sudden they're like I can't get lean like I used to It's because you you may be adding the number of fat cells to your body You may be making it more difficult that evolutionarily speaking this makes sense because What your body's trying to do is improve upon its ability to capture All these calories to capture energy to so that way the next time a famine comes You're even more likely to succeed So the best way to reintroduce count and the cool thing about this is we've been giving the right advice all along before We even knew the science right the thing that I would I used to always say and now is even strength and strength and even more from This new studies is reintroduce calories slowly That's how you prevent lots of fat gain like don't go for meeting 1200 calories to 2500 calories right off the gates increase it by 150 or 100 or 50 Even and little by little increase the calories on a week by week basis and monitor your body That'll prevent the addition of fat cells to your body and he did a muscle that there wasn't like definitive As far as like being able to get rid of those new fat cells like they don't know if that even happens yet, right? No, they don't even know so you may be stuck with these new fat cells So that's I mean that's alarming so personally what I like to do is I I like to use either rice or I like to use sweet potato I find that's just really easy for me to measure and to control and I like to I like to structure it around my workout So if I'm on a reverse diet, which was something that I'd be on after every single show because I just depleted myself Came all the way down and I'd have to reintroduce calories. How low would your calories get by the way pretty the lowest I would ever at 2,000 2,200. Okay. Yeah, that would be really low for me when I was competing Now it's the irony is now that like that to me now is a very normal place to be like it's not a dieting place Because I have way less lean body mass on me today than I do Did just two years ago So back then, you know, my metabolism was roaring. I was eating 4,500 to 5,000 calories just to maintain my size So 2,200 was really low. I mean that and that was like when I was getting into my final week, right? So I would I would tailor off anywhere from 500 to a thousand calories or so And just start chipping away like every week as I would get closer into my show and then increasing my need and then post show I would start to reintroduce the calories and I would again use sweet potato or Rice and just just personal preference for me. There are two things that I was, you know, making a lot of in bulk It's easy for me to make sweet potatoes and and white rice in bulk It's easy for me to weigh and measure those and go, okay, I was getting 4 ounces before now I'm getting 6 ounces now I'm getting 8 ounces and I would try and add for me 50 to 75 calories worth of carbohydrates Around my my workouts so pre or post workout and I would slowly do that and I'd watch it So I'd pick a number whether it'd be 50 to 70 I'd add it in every single day around my workouts I'd I'd monitor my weight. I'd monitor the way I look I'd monitor everything for about a week And as long as I felt that I wasn't aggressively adding weight I would pretty much do that almost every week and because I had a pretty healthy metabolism I could do every week. I was increasing my calories now This is and this is a hard question to answer specific numbers like that. This is why I'm using so different from person Right. That's why I'm using myself as an example So some people can try and give maybe give themselves a baseline from that because every client that I've trained We've had different experiences. I've had some female clients I've been able to give them 100 plus calories almost every single week and that's just I keep adding and adding adding I remember Rochelle Rochelle when I was coaching her when she was competing Man she she came and she came off she came to me when we first met and it was over Her training with a bad trainer before that was trying to starve her body And so we had kind of rebuilt her metabolism and once we had rebuilt it and it was thriving It was nuts. I was like feeding her and more of calories more calories pumping more and more calories to her to where We were pushing her up to 3000 calories for and you've seen her. She's petite, you know She's like 115 pound female. She doesn't weigh a lot at all So everyone's going to be very different, you know And then I've had clients that are guys that have Competed in many many shows and they've kind of fucked their metabolism a little bit And I give them a little bit over and then their body starts to add body fat So and then there's the other thing too is you got to and we talk about this with lane is You know, if you're okay in this reverse diet with adding a little bit of body fat It's okay You know I'm saying it's not a big deal If you're adding calories and you put a little bit of body fat on the way that's It's more likely you're going to do that. It's tough to be especially if you were shredded to go into it Exactly and it would be it's actually what you want. Yeah, it's actually probably healthy for you to put a little It's put a little bit body fat I'm just looking for me as I'm looking at competitors or I'm looking at myself I'm trying to make sure that most of it's not body fat like I wouldn't want to be adding so many calories that I'm adding fat like faster than I'm adding any sort of muscle or yeah Yeah, it's it's the I mean the right answer is just slowly take your time And we know now why it's a bad idea Just from a scientific standpoint to just binge and force feed yourself or not even force feed yourself Just go crazy with nutrition Right after a you know restriction It may set you up for a more difficult process in the future. So just slowly scale it up If you are another thing that I've used as a strategy So I use myself as an example with the rice and the sweet potatoes I've also flipped that with different people who are who have a challenge They're like they are great. They have major cravings and they're coming out Those people I tend to use fat is the the calories that I'm where I'm gonna get my calories from because it tends to satiate them a little bit more So, you know, you know, that's another thing that again, there's no like Rule like oh, you should use this or only use that and I you'll hear us talk to Lane about this a little bit Because everyone is so unique and different if you're struggling to where it's like, oh my god I'm hungry all the time. Maybe fat would be a better choice than actually using something like a carbohydrate Next question is from Andrew rife pt. What are the best tips and tricks you guys learned in terms of client retention? What do we learned is learned to word? I believe it is so past tense of learn I think a strategy that not a lot of trainers do that I used to teach my trainers was to teach them to be Planning the seeds and setting up for the re-sign well before they're even due for that A very common mistake that I found in leading trainers for a very long time Was most of them trained were great trainers. They loved learning about nutrition. They love programming They love working their clients out. They hated selling So they waited until it was time to re-sign like the last session Yeah, the last session to bring up this awkward conversation and this was a challenge This is very very common with trainers And so one of the things that I would teach my trainers to make this easier on yourself is to be setting the close up A day one Let's say somebody just buys five sessions or ten sessions I'm all right. Not only am I Coaching them on their body right now and talking about what they're going through in the workout But I'm also talking about our future together and I and I do it in what we call an assumption close I just assume if you're training with me because 80 percent of my clients train with me forever That's that was my attitude and I carried myself that way that because the way I looked at it is 80 percent of my people needed me forever because much of them most of them had so so much to work on whether it be Psychologically or physically or nutritionally that I could provide value in those three areas pretty much for lifetime for most of these people So I had that attitude so day one I'm already talking about what we're going to be doing in weeks eight and weeks 12 You're always constantly communicating what you're going to be doing next with them And you have a plan for them and here's what it looks like and you're painting that picture the entire time you're meeting with them That's always been a go to for me And it just it drives conversation and then it it gets real-time updates as far as What their struggles are and and you know how you can how you can kind of help them with that process And maybe we do a deeper dive in nutrition, you know this next month and really like tackle these issues and you know Whatever like you're just you're opening up that conversation So it's constantly getting them to think ahead like oh wow Okay, so i'm going to work on that next and we're going to do this and then you don't even have to talk about Like you said it's the assumption. It's it's like they'll know me. They'll say well Yeah, they'll come with do I sign now many times I'd have people say like well, I only have five sessions with you What am I supposed to do them? Well, don't worry and they would do a takeaway close Don't worry about it when we get closer to the end of your sessions We'll talk about the different options that you have for Continuing along with me and then you just go back to doing your job really really well Like and explaining to them the things that you're going to be doing but having a plan as a trainer early on You know your job when you do a really good assessment right and this is again This is why prime was created You know you have this great assessment tool that you use With your client to find all about their body and all the things that you need to do for them And now you have a plan like okay This person should be working on these imbalances for an x amount of time And then this is what we're going to be doing nutritionally to help rebuild their metabolism for x amount of time And then we're going to transition into more of their goal focused on for this amount of time And you have a plan so sit down as a trainer really map out What you would do with this client if they already had A hundred sessions with you and what would that look like and then you just start as you're training them You're talking as if they already bought the hundred sessions So that will lead them to ask the buying question of Well, I don't have any more sessions and or I you know, what do I do after these like? Oh, don't worry. We'll we'll get to that these were all I mean there were different Different levels of learning that I had to go through to learn how to continue to Retain clients and what we're talking about now is kind of the early stages of learning how to Talk about being with me later on talk about the plan and the future Early on in our working together so people knew You know 10 sessions in five sessions in two sessions in What would it look like later on as we're working together figure out different goals figure out different tasks Talk about those things and how we're going to continue working Then later on I I learned how to become The the maven or the person that that person would come to When they didn't want to work out that was a big learning Period for me later on and what I mean by this by the way is early on in my career If a client stayed with me for a year That was a long time because I was a new trainer and a year seemed like forever And a year is a long time to have a client Compared to the average then later on I'd have clients that would stay with me for two or three Years, which is sounds like an eternity Then later on and have clients that stay with me for the same people right who'd stay with me for 10 years or 12 years or longer And there's different levels of learning that entire time The second stage was learning how to be that person that they want to come to when they don't want to work out like A beginner trainer a client would call them and say my shoulder hurts. I'm really tired My back hurts. I have to I have to reschedule this appointment Well, if you get to the point where your client calls you and says Hey, you know, hey sal listen, I know we're not scheduled to work out today But my back really hurts. Can I come in so you can help me out? Now you've reached another level so now when my clients started calling me for that That's when I reached the two year and three years of staying with clients The next level From there was when I got to the point where I where I could Create an environment where my clients were working out For the sake of working out. It was no longer to work out for a goal It was no longer because I need to lose I mean you train someone for 12 years Like they're going to be trying to lose 30 pounds for the first six months to a year After that, like are they going to be still trying? Are they still going to be trying to get better shape? Are they still going to be trying better performance some of them? Well, but a lot of them at that point now are working out For the sake of working out they're working out because they enjoy the time that took me a long time I felt very insecure about that because I always felt like I had to produce and I had to get the results And I always had to get them and so, you know We got to a certain point where a year would go by and I'm like, well, did I do my best, you know with them for that year? Like I was very like hyper critical of the whole process of that and then I just realized like they literally are working out And progressing, you know at a gradual pace, but they're enjoying the entire process And I have to be happy about that look if you want someone to have long term success with fitness Then you have to get them to a point where they work out for the sake of the workout Like it's the way I work out like when I'm working out. Yeah, there's goals sometimes and I want to get to a certain place But most of the time I'm working out because I enjoy the actual workout itself I'm doing it for the sake of doing it and if you can get your clients to that point Then now they're they're going to be with you for a long time. Now. How do you do that? Well, you create a good relationship with exercise where yes initially It's about goals and there are targets and I can help you when you hurt, but it's also about enjoying the process It's also about enjoying being here with me because let's be honest When I'm a cool guy client look Clients would be with me out of me if clients are going to be with me for you know between one to three days a week So this is this is how my client schedule look I'd have clients that were with me on average between one to three days a week For an hour For 12 years like these people are sitting and talking with me and hanging out with me and working out with me Or just spending more time with me than they are with most people in their lives If especially if I worked out with them three days a week How many people in their life? Do you think did they actually sit down and have good conversation and good undivided attention with For three hours out of their entire way. Well, look at what we do. Not very many Look what we do with mine pump, right? We come out and we try and build trust and authority and education Right, so we lead with that and so we build your trust, you know, we win you over Now let's get into the specifics. Well, that's a good hour. We're going to get into lifestyle Your first goal before selling them should be getting them to understand what they really need for themselves Because 90% of the people that are going to sit down with you don't even realize what they really need They're there because they're still driven by their insecurities of whatever whatever that may be whether they're too fat They're too skinny not enough muscle too much muscle whatever not fast enough too short They have all these these insecurities that's driving them to purchase training from you You need to understand that and my goal is first to get to the root cause of what drives you into in here And then get you to understand what you actually need for long-term success Before I I sell you any more personal training. And so I think letting people know I used to do this a lot too When they tell me what their goal was I would tell them like, oh, that's so easy. Your goal is easy You know any I mean getting you to lose 20 pounds or getting you to build 10 pounds of muscle That's a simple formula. It's math. I love math. That's really easy for me to do that That's not what but the problem is if you want to if you want to be somebody who reaches their goal And then learns to maintain that for the rest of their life So you feel good about where you're at forever Well that that takes a little bit more of a process and part of that process is us getting to the bottom Of what really drives you to be in shape or what causes you to fall out of shape And that's what i'm really going to help you get to now when I get somebody to understand that And understand that reaching the goal is actually really easy once we figure that piece out Then I've got you you know i'm saying then then we can sell training early on it's about getting to your goals Later on it's about just enjoying it just enjoying the process enjoying the workout enjoying the time that they're there with you I'll tell you what you find me any trainer who has clients who's with them for longer than three years And I'll show you clients who just like to meet with that trainer and work out with them That's what they're doing at that point like three years later Really what goals are you after unless you constantly change your goals? And you're one of those maniacs which are pretty rare for the most part that person's there Because they enjoy spending that time with the trainer they enjoy that time They enjoy the workout itself and that's kind of the the space you want to be in and so And think about it this way like and I'll tell you what I have I don't train anybody anymore I do some coaching online, but I don't do any personal training all the clients that I had who trained with me for eight nine 10 12 years Every single one of them now they haven't trained with me for at least two years All of them guess what they're still doing. They're still working out They have developed a relationship with The workout to where they enjoy the workout itself and when you can get to that place Well, now it's fucking now. It's not a problem at all. So here's the I mean the other part of is this like You got to be a likeable person or at least, you know have be likeable with your client like this that maybe that's better advice It is just being likeable first. Yeah Well, I mean Look, I'll tell you what, you know what clients didn't stay with me for don't be boring and douchey Right, you can be a great trainer all you want if nobody fucking likes you I'll tell you what I can tell you that's true though. I can tell you the trainers I can always tell you the trainers who will not have clients for a long time The ones that look at their phone constantly well besides the obvious stuff I can tell you the dedicated trainer Who's not going to have clients that's going to stay with them for a long time You know which one's going to be the one that beats the crapper to the client every time they work out The one that's always focused on goals. You know what I mean? Yeah, like oh come in here We're gonna make you exhausted. We're gonna make you sweat. We're gonna make you work out so hard And every client loves that trainer for about three to six months Sometimes the ones that are too start smart for their own good or have a hard time also Because they're so concerned about being right and instead of really helping people And that does and you got to understand that many many people don't even know that they don't know yet And so if you're if you're so concerned about being right and being smart that that you're when you talk to your clients You talk to them that way you're gonna turn away fucking 80 90 percent of the people Do you know how many that's very very calm and had many PhDs masters that worked for me that I had to fire and let go because they could never connect these dots because They were they were so proud of themselves for all the schooling and education that they had they were so They and they cared more about that than they actually cared about the person sitting across from them And that comes off it comes off when you're that person Who cares more about being right and being smart than you care about leading to these people to them Yeah, if you can show that you really deeply care about that person. That's where the connection is I mean it's it's as simple as that dude. Do you know how many times I've had? Because I've done this for so long right it's happened quite a few times where client will call me And be like hey, man. I didn't get good sleep last night or I feel You know, I'm really stressed out or this is what's happening And you know, I don't really want to feel like working out and then I'd say look john come in Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to take you through some stretches We're going to do some mild fascia release And I might do some mobility work with you or sometimes a client would walk in and look at them And be like you don't you don't want to be here. I'd be honest with them Like you don't want to be here right now They'd be like, you know, I don't have the energy to work out and I'll say I'll tell you what why don't we do this Let me take you through some light mobility work I'm going to work on your shoulders a little bit And then let's go for a walk outside for 30 minutes And let's just do some stuff outside and they would love it and sometimes we would just fucking walk Sometimes and you know what's funny when I first started doing that I would think to myself like oh man, I feel bad like they're paying me To go with them on a walk. You know what I would get instead They'd be like, you know what thank you so much like I got to do some activity I appreciate you taking me out on a walk. I really wasn't feeling like a hard workout right now Feeling kind of tired or stressed out I really appreciate the fact that you had me walk because they're just happy that they got to do some activity But they enjoyed it with you and whatever and it was more appropriate And then these people would just they'd stay forever and they'd continue forever after You're done training with them and I think that's the key to being A real successful trainer for your clients So check this out a lot of people don't know that we're on instagram and we have different information On our instagram if you want to see sal sexist memes make sure you go check out mind pump sal Mind pump sal You can go to mind pump adam or mind pump. Justin. 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