 I had a lot of people be like Great kitchen and I was like really weird. I'm like mine. Actually. It was a weird photo. It was like wait a second Like I had to go back to my kitchen. We got they they thought yeah, they Their kitchen is nicer than mine. We'll just leave it at that. No No, it's true. Open the refrigerator and see if there's salsa Yeah, that's it. There's also hot garbage. That's for sure Still really good friends of mine though. You don't judge a kitchen by its countertops. You judge it by the salsa in the fridge Do you judge people by what they have in the fridge like if you Everyone does cost too many condiments Well, I judge people and all sorts of things Or like or like there's always the person where you like open the fridge and it's like, oh, there's 40 diet cokes in here Cool. You seem organized I have a shelf of Seltzer not seltzer carbonated knockoff Well, I do too. I do too much. I mean, let's be clear La Croix or whatever La Croix makes Chinese food. I just bought a 12 pack of La Croix right before we connected I would like to challenge all of my daily tech news show co-hosts to the Instagram refrigerator picture challenge All right, I mean after the after the episode and actually we were talking about this the other day like Fridges around the world, you know, what's in your fridge? Hey, let me ask you something. We just bought a fridge. We just bought a French door fridge So I want to know what kind of a fridge style. Do you have French door? I have the French door as well and I'll say I will say it's annoying and I wish there was just the one Half the time I forget which side my stuff is on well and the freezer side is not big enough for a frozen pizza Oh, wait a second. So I have the French door, but then the freezer's underneath For refrigerator and freezers underneath. Yeah, so the French door is sort of like I don't know it looks cool, but it's almost always annoying because you're like, ah, sorry No, the freezer in that drawer is kind of annoying because then you I don't know I mean, I'm kind of bummed about I gotta fix the ice maker my my fridge. Well, that's we had someone send us a link To one of those fridge shows cooking shows in your house morgan morgan sent us a link to door knock dinners Uh, which was like the cable access show that I was describing, but it was I'm gonna put it in like they knock on your door come in and say we're gonna make Gourmet food out of whatever's in your fridge Most notable for giving Paula Dean and Tyler Florence attention landing Dean her television program Paula's home cooking I know both Paula Dean known for her butter Iron chefs Masahuru Morimoto and Roku Saburo michiba appeared on the show in uniform Huh And we see I'd like to see if they can get my seven-year-old to eat Whatever they make that'll be the challenge. That's the real challenge part two. Yeah I'm gonna put in a plug for a show that that doesn't exist anymore So youtube show from austria really are called the catering show Start starring starring two comedians who it's basically a spoof on all these cooking shows It only ran for like two seasons. It is hilarious Nice. It is hilarious. Well, we're gonna break for daily tech news show now We'll come back with more chip talk Len Len's like no Let's keep talking fridges, man. This is the marquee part of the show When Sarah said chip talk, I thought chip Yeah, right. Yeah, I know I could be you know, you could Think of it so many different ways. All right. Here we go. Is everybody ready? Yep. Three. Yep, two Amber Antoinette Ford has supported independent tech news directly for five years And you can be as cool as amber become a dts member right now at patreon.com slash dtns This is the daily tech news for friday march 29th 2019 was going to be brexit day. It's not anymore in los angeles I'm tom erin and from studio feline. I'm sarah lane. It's art prob friday. I'm lenn peralta I'm the show's producer archer jen lenn will be illustrating our topics today. We'll check in with him in a little bit And we're also welcoming rob de billo cto of nimble collective back on the show rob. How's it going? Good. Thanks for having me back on we are going to talk about a very interesting trend in gaming It's it's very similar to what we talked about last week with google Stadia and whatnot, but but rob's got a different perspective On this from a venture beat article about how a lot of these companies are accidentally gaming companies And we'll get his perspective on that in a little bit. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Huawei reports profits rose 25 in 2018 led by its fast growing phone and devices Business devices revenue specifically rose 45 percent passing its telecom infrastructure business revenue which was A bit of a drop at 1.3 percent for its business with telecom carriers enterprise business was 10.3 percent of total revenue And rose 23.8 percent 51.6 percent of huawei's business comes from china followed by 28.4 from europe and the middle east 11.4 percent from asia and the pacific and 6.6 from the americas apple acquired the digital newsstand app texture last year and now part of what's uh now apple news plus which launched on monday So the texture app is shutting down according to email sent to current texture subscribers the point to a fact on the company's website Textures last day will be may 28th 2019 if you're an existing customer You will be offered a one month free trial to apple news plus The lg g8 thank you phone first first previewed at mobile world congress and will come to the u.s. starting at a uh on a April 11th with pre-orders available now the list price for an unlocked version is $819.99 the g8 thank you includes air motion that lets you perform some functions by gesturing With a wave or a pinch without touching your phone The camera can also use the veins in your hand as authentication. Think about that one for a second And lift priced its ipo shares at 72 bucks ahead of the initial offering of 32.5 million shares valuing the company At around 20 billion dollars shares rose 20 percent after the debut on nasdaq today under the ticker lift lyft All right, let's talk a little bit more about windows 10 microsoft windows 10 1809 sometimes formerly known as the windows 10 october 2018 update Is now ready for broad deployment by its business customers After its release last october microsoft had to pull the update because of data loss bugs and issues with zip files You might have been affected by that microsoft re-release the update november 13th But took a slow approach to rollout this time the company is close to finalizing the rollout of windows 10 1903 sometimes referred to as the april 2019 update and let's hope that sticks Yeah, that's the hopeful name of it is the Is the the one right after the october update um I mean rollout to business customers means they they finally certain That there shouldn't be problems with this beyond the normal expected problems with any rollout It just they were being extra cautious with that rob. I was curious if if you ran into any of this and what you made of it I did not we've got about a third of the people at nimble have Have windows boxes and we turned off our updates for this reason, right? So I actually haven't turned my back on yet Yeah, well, it's safe to go back in the water Are the sharks gone? Yeah. Yeah, yeah And and then turn it right back off in case you're worried about the april 2019 update Is a weird thing it was a it was a weird situation there and uh, hopefully the april 2019 update will not have These same issues fingers crossed. It was it was bizarre for microsoft actually It really was uh, and and i'm not trying to excuse it But it was very unusual not that microsoft hasn't had to share bugs over the years But this was a really really unusual rollout. This is the first one I I heard of that actually removed data Yeah, not good Definitely not good Back in 2016 the city of columbus, ohio won a 40 million dollar department of transportation grant And an additional 10 million dollars from the paul g allen foundation as part of the smart city challenge columbus is developing a smart columbus operating system with some of that money It's also working on an open data platform a multimodal trip planning app But ours technicus jonathan getland reports the plan to encourage adoption of electric vehicles in the city is showing the most success so far Since 2017 adoption of electric vehicles or e v's in columbus has risen 121 percent That's compared to 82 percent for the rest of the midwest So it's rising a lot in the midwest but it's rising a lot more in columbus And the average in the united states as a whole is 94 percent A big part of the strategy that columbus used was ride and drive road shows Where they'd go to different places in the community or even some workplaces and allow you to do test drives They say they've done about 7 000 test drives They open they also open to showcase center where you can go and do test drives of e v's if you'd like They did a bunch of outreach with the dealers to get them on board and make it easier to actually go in and find An e v to buy The program also is building out charger capacity including rebate funding for multi unit residential buildings and workplaces You know before the show we we all kind of collectively did a little homework on on On on the city of columbus because none of us is from there tell them I know you've been there. I never have but I know that it's known as a college town And probably progressive in the sense that something like these numbers would make sense to me But yeah, I I I wonder what other data points Make columbus so sort of ripe for this technological Forward thinking Well, I I would imagine that it's probably The car manufacturers are probably pushing columbus a little bit because it's cold Right and e v's have a hard time in the cold and so it's it makes for a good test bed potentially Yeah, and to kind of say kind of prove the concept, right? Yep You know also I would look past the fact that columbus had to fight against around 80 other metropolitan areas to convince the department of transportation That it had the best plan We're we're very used to criticizing governments for stupid plans and there's no shortage of examples This could be an example of a government Planning something well and just doing it right and saying hey, you know what when you get people to test drive stuff They're more likely to get on board when you actually work with dealers instead of just requiring them to do something And you get them on board that helps stuff So, you know, it may not be the columbus had any natural advantage. It just may have been a really well executed plan for once If you're an amazon prime member who has linked your account to twitch prime You can now get 12 months of nintendo switch online for free Even if you've already paid 20 dollars for that switch online account for the free year will stack on top of it So you get that money back users get three months free to start Then after 60 days of maintaining their amazon prime membership They get a code for the other nine months the initial three month offer expires september 24th So if you're interested now is the time I tried to sign up for this But they require payment to be linked So it is one of those deals where they're going to be like you can go and turn it off But you got to give me your credit card or paypal information right now Uh, so I I was like, you know, I'm gonna find out if this is actually unavoidable Before I go ahead and finish signing up. So I haven't finished signing up yet, but otherwise it's a screaming deal I mean the idea that that amazon would do this for nintendo I mean, it's not that they're necessarily competitors, but it's it's an interesting partnership Well, it drives traffic towards twitch Yeah, that's that that's part of it and this might be the thing that actually gets me to try a nintendo switch Really the it's good. It's only a $20 savings, but it's enough of a It just pushes it a little over the edge. Yeah, I got enough gaming platforms So I didn't need another one, but this is like it's kind of interesting and you're right It takes some gamers Who use the switch and pushes them towards twitch it also takes some twitch people and pushes them in your case Towards towards the switch. Yeah, which they they may not have been willing to do before so It does sound like it's working And again, it's not like amazon has a it has a whole, you know big gaming platform yet That isn't twitch They're they're they're more wanting to capitalize on what a nintendo does rather than then compete directly with them So I guess it makes sense, but but a pretty great deal And also interesting how they're trying to stop you from like signing up for prime for one month Just to get this year deal and then canceling they're going to make you stick around for 60 days and remember to renew it Yeah, hopefully I remember Scientists building a helicopter that will be part of the mars 2020 rover tested it in martian-like conditions in gpl space simulator If you don't know the martian atmosphere is one percent as dense as earths That would be like going up a hundred thousand feet on earth That's the rarity of the atmosphere on the surface on mars So the jpl team injected co2 into the 25 foot wide vacuum cylinder after removing all the Rest of it nitrogen oxygen are gone all the other gas has got taken out A motorized lanyard tugged at the helicopter to simulate the mars two-third earth gravity And the helicopter successfully flew for one minute at an altitude of two inches in that thin atmosphere Twice on two separate days. So not long tests But enough to make these guys feel like you know what I think this will work now somewhere. Yeah Yeah, the rover and the helicopter expected to arrive on mars in february 2021 Yeah, that was that was that last little sentence was the thing that made me go What so so being ex jpl like the fact that they like did those tests in that chamber were tremendous Um, but if I read all the articles on this topic, they all seem to imply that's it They're not testing in any other scenarios. No, uh, it does I have seen some quotes where they're like the next test We'll do will be on mars That's cocky You don't think uh two inches the tests seem successful, but at very short periods of time So, you know, like, you know, if you can, you know, figure out the atmospheric bar It's great when it's locally on earth, but actually doing that in mars is very different It was in a calm environment in a simulated tube In a room in california. We got it Well done You're you're well more versed in the stuff that I am but That implies to me that all they were testing for was lift. Can we get enough lift in this kind of thin atmosphere? Correct. That's exactly what they were testing for. Yeah, but but they didn't they didn't test updrafts They didn't test like there's a lot of stuff that that happens on mars The the atmospheric pressure isn't enough to actually affect the the helicopter that much, but there are other factors That they as far as I can tell has not been taken into consideration. That could be wrong But yeah, I mean, they may have been taking consideration in the design, but it certainly wasn't part of this test Right. Um, that said I mean this if you haven't caught on this is a uav. This is a drone, right? It's a helicopter style drone, uh, but so are quadcopters, right? And it's going to be if it works Uh, you know plugging around on mars getting a much wider view than a rover can Yeah I hope it works. That's great. Yeah, I hope your skepticism is wrong Or or unnecessary. Yeah, I hope so too. Yeah, because this is uh, this is good mars 2020 rover Remember arrives in 2021 it launches in 2020 and arrives at 2020 Well, if you thought the last story was interesting this next one may surprise you inmates at two prisons in finland Are classifying data to train ai for a startup called venu The company is building a database to help businesses find contractors venu needs business articles to be categorized by topic Including differentiating things like apple the tech company from a company that harvest apples the fruit Two very different companies the data is then used to train the ai to manage that database for english language English articles venu uses amazon's mechanical turk, but they weren't getting enough work done on finish articles So they contacted the finish criminal sanctions us agency or csa, which happens to be in the same building as venu It's very convenient venu pays the csa What it would have paid mechanical turk and the csa then decides how much of that goes to the prisoners That's my question. How much of it does go to the prisoners Well, there's a whole social and criminal justice Uh aspect of this conversation About exploiting criminal labor, right? That's not new What's new is oh instead of having them, you know make widgets or license places Yeah, the classic example is license plates. You're having them categorize articles to train an ai Which is new uh two two things occur to me one is This does seem to point the way to tasks that will still require humans Which is categorizing things to train an ai Which could be hopeful for future work conditions But also the fact that you couldn't get enough fins on mechanical turk To to get your training data set I think that's interesting a lot of english language speakers in the world not necessarily native who might be on mechanical turk But not enough finish speakers. So there again Is another area that you might not have thought of as oh this, you know, we there there is a A need here that mere technology alone has not solved Well and the conversation can get Muddied pretty quick, right because you think okay. Well, if you um, you know Have a large group of people. I mean large considering however many people are in a particular prison It doesn't even matter the country But um, the fact that they you know, it's it's You're it's it's it's mandatory labor, right and this is something that is making an ai Whatever it is for whatever company stronger and and and and more sound based on human interaction Does that bother anybody, you know Like and and if so in what way should it change? Well, there's a little bit of a science fictional aspect to all this, right? You've got a contained captive audience in in the very literal sense of the word who are being used to train a in url net right and and it's It feels a little weird comma and then you step back and like well, you know Prisoners made license plates in the u.s. For a long time, which was forced manual labor I'm well, and you guys have both I very very Ineffectively tried to stare us away from that aspect of it because I don't think we can solve that But having prisoners do this is con is going to be controversial to a lot of people What I was what I was trying to point us at is what if it wasn't prisoners though? You've got two very interesting things going on is one you still need humans to train an ai and two They the reason they resorted to prisoners was because the csa happened to be in the building with them If the csa hadn't been in the building with them They may not have ever thought of that and what would they have had to do if mechanical turk Which is meant to solve this problem didn't solve it they would they have had to create something within finland? I mean we think that like oh you just put it on the internet and everything's available And this is an area. This is I think a very interesting example where that didn't work Well, the reason you can't separate the two is because that the solution would involve money Right, you and they are paying the csa exactly the same money. They would have paid mechanical turk, right? okay, so But in and tom I totally get the point you're making I think in The example of finland what we've been seeing is finland's like we just don't have enough data Like we almost have to like force people to give us more data because we the mechanical turk actually doesn't work for us That is not necessarily a case that would that that is that that matters to all countries, but That is interesting in this case Yeah, there aren't enough finished speakers who are willing to work at mechanical turk wages And that that is a point where it is I think relevant to bring in and so they had to go to They ended up going to prisons where you don't have a lot of joy Uh, email us your thoughts on this feedback at daily tech news show If you want to get all the tech headlines each day and keep up check out daily tech headlines.com You can get it all in five minutes Monday through Friday with a recap of the entire week that comes on saturday venture beats dean takahashi writes that he has often divided game companies into intentional And unintentional game companies so intentional would be the ones you think of electronic arts sony xbox, etc But platforms like apple amazon google and facebook he calls Unintentional because the platforms were created for something else But gaming then arose on those platforms anyway Although with facebook you could argue they just bought oculus and that's really where the big games come in facebook But these are companies that weren't started to be game companies and are now becoming game companies intentionally for instance Recent examples are google stadia where google said well, I guess gaming is coming into our platform Let's lean into it apple with apple arcade is another recent example I know this caught your eye Rob, what is it about you about this this sort of metaphor that that fascinates you? Well, I mean so the company i'm at now the nimble collective or in the cto This is what we do right so we are a streaming company for animation systems so animators can get on and and access gpu based machines Stream their animation software do their work get out do rendering of the work and get off and it was interesting hearing the the stadia Live feed because the the introduction to stadia sounded very much like the introduction introduction to nimble collective You know utilizing the cloud Lower cost on the on the client side, you know, you didn't need as as expensive a machine piece of machinery to operate the system so all that was very cool, uh, and they're you know the ability to upgrade gpu's on the fly and and Perform at the performance rate of a cloud service like like a google and i'm focusing just on stadia from if this applies everybody Is a tremendous boon? If i remember the numbers right it was something like 10.8 gigaflops Like which is which is yeah, which is it's an astonishing number right to have at your fingertips um What's interesting to me about this uh, and you know since it's google and they own all of the data centers and the thing that uh, I keep coming back to because I experience this all the time is Uh, does anybody know steams? Traffic like concurrent users. It's something a couple years ago. It was like 15 million concurrent users I don't I don't know what it is as high up there That's that's a lot of instances to have in the cloud It doesn't matter who you are it doesn't matter if you're google or or microsoft or whoever But if you're expecting that sort of load on a system that's doing concurrent play That's a lot of gpu is on standby so i'm not sure if you're if you're your Listeners are where i'm sure most of them aren't but um, it takes a while to spin these things up Right, let's think of booting a computer or a server. That's what's going on So they have to be sitting there in hot standby So so they have to be very good at predicting like how many users are gonna have and how many people are gonna be Playing certain games at certain times and have those things ready So people aren't sitting there frustrated and waiting and that's the part about this that's fascinating doing And that actually is a really good point because there is going to be a part where google stadia Won't work and somebody will be very frustrated because they're timing out They're like i'm trying to log on but obviously they can't handle it And the and the answer will be no it's not that they can't handle it It's that they predicted wrong when you decided to to log on and didn't have a hot gpu waiting for you, right? That's right. That's right. Yeah, keep that in mind Yeah, and that will happen, but it doesn't undermine the concept necessarily it meant it It's it's all a matter of whether they can solve that If if this catches on the way that they think it catches on I don't want to hug the conversation here, but if this catches on the way they think it's going to catch on it It will it will rival Netflix for data transmissions It'll in it'll certainly rival anything else out there for GPU usage and cpu usage in the cloud because even even though controls don't need to send a whole lot of information Back there is consistent information you're sending from your controller Where in Netflix you press play and that's it for 30 minutes to an hour And when you're gaming and where you're gaming by the way, so we we we deal with this all the time when you're gaming You notice it Like the even if it's even if it's like a fraction of a second or a fraction of a fraction of a second Your brain picks up on it if you're if you're firing the gun or running from the from the bad guy or doing Whatever you're doing in the game. Yeah, you will you will notice if there's lag Oh I what I what I was really fascinated by is like Here are these companies that really didn't have a history or kind of a pedigree in gaming You know, you could say the same with Microsoft but Microsoft has been positive publishing games since the early 80s Whether it was flight simulator or something else. They have an understanding and you know, you can say the same thing about google and apple having their stores, but I mean, is there a point where just being a large Very, you know, very well healed and very well resourced Company you can essentially do a bunch of things take a lot of risks that if you're a more focused game company See like ea that you couldn't afford to do because you have other businesses That you could rely on of something tanks Well, I mean you hit you hit it on the head, right? So these these are larger companies. These are companies that do have um Splinter groups inside of them working on these projects that are as large as dedicated companies like ea So to me, it's it's not that the the resources within the company is necessarily the problem And if they hire the right people then I know that they are if they hire the right people then You know, they'll get the right attention on it uh, it it's more along the lines of The reason I think that um, you know the way dean expresses this in his article is there's intentional and unintentional It's it's more like intentional and backed their way into it Right Saw an opportunity because what's going on is these these larger companies have these data centers with GPUs in them and The those GPUs are not being utilized all the time And the software tries to load level a lot of it and and they try and do predictive analysis and all the stuff but Like having a bunch of frozen fish in a warehouse somewhere They've got a bunch of GPU cycles sitting around and they're like, well, how do we make money off this? Yeah, I mean that may make the the whole do you have a hot gpu ready for someone to game Less of an issue if they're like, well, we're you know, if it's not ready for someone to game It's ready for something else. You might as well just have a bunch of them ready all the time We do anyway Yeah, sort of except what they're doing is they're opening up the gates So now, you know, they've got you know the entire state of of california wants that that frozen fish Well, except everyone that emails me or talks to me on twitter says that this is not going to work And they're not going to use it so apparently no one is going to use this Yeah, that's gonna happen That's exactly how Use it or maybe the people saying they're not going to use it or lying. I don't know One of the things that came up last week when we were talking about this was I brought up the idea of Video editing in the cloud because of nimble collective And there were some questions that I know you can answer which is how does how does your video upload work there? Because if you have a if you have a large video Uh, you you need to be able to get it to the cloud to start working on it Sure. Yeah, I well if you're there's two modes of thought here Like if you're already in the cloud and everything you've been doing is in the cloud Then it's already it's out right there Otherwise you just upload the traditional way and you would upload to the system and then and then work from there And it you know, if you've got a number of team members that are working on the same thing Uh, you'll be good, but it's interesting that you mentioned video editing video editing in The cloud is harder A little harder actually than what we're doing with animation Because of the same reason that gaming is difficult You know the editors that are working on a video editor is as you folks all know like if you Try and move a 30 second of a second And you're not there or the the audio lags or are you doing it? It's it's tricky. Yeah There's there's lag sensitivity in the actions of video editing for sure, right? Interesting. Well, thank you, uh romp for for answering that for me. I appreciate sure. Yeah And also thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com If you hang out on facebook a lot, well, we have good news for you We got a facebook group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's take a look at the mail bag Let's do it. Comey had a possible edge case scenario for ebay's image search This was a conversation we were having yesterday and kind of scratching our heads a little bit on how this would work Comey says what if you just came from a foreign country? And you don't know what the product is or what the leading brands are for example Let's say you go to asia and you want to get something similar to Ziploc or rubber made or purell or gorilla pod google wouldn't translate those names into the locally available brands And people who just came to the u.s might have the same issue with american brands But the image search would be able to help them at this point Of course ellibaba amazon and others are all becoming international and multilingual and their tech search is getting better So the example above might be a little contrived. No, it's good though I like that one because there always are weird like Not weird, but they're they're always different brands for the same thing Sometimes they're even owned by the same company. They just operate under a different brand So looking up ziploc on ebay all the ziploc's a weird thing to buy on ebay But just go with it You look up ziploc on ebay and then you click on the image and suddenly you see all these other brands of of sandwich bags And you're like, oh the one that's popular here is that one great now. I know exactly. Yeah Interesting. Oh never buy used sandwich bags Unless you have to Thanks to come in everybody else who participates in our mail bag every week and also thanks to len parolta Let's check in with him True thing. Yeah, you know, I love the idea of unintentional Gaming companies and that's where this image came from. It's uh, it's a uh, it's kind of taking the twister Take on this whole thing of creating a game called whoopsie We made a video game company the game of unintentional platforms Um, and uh, it's just a family that is enjoying Playing on something that isn't really There wasn't an unintentional plan. No, I see so so dad's got his right hand on cloud services And then his left hand is on building a data center and the next thing you know, he's built a game company It's a may it's so much fun. It's a game for whoever It's uh, it's it's fun for the whole family And uh, yes, you can see this right now if you're one of my patrons Uh at the five dollar level dts lover patron you get this right now. What's up there right now? You get it Uh with your uh pledge and or you can just go the uh alternate route and just go to my online store Len parolta store.com and get it right there Excellent. Thank you. Len go to one parolta store.com and thank you rob domillo. Absolutely Uh, if folks want to find out more about what you're doing these days, where should they go? They should go to nimble collective.com or they can go to my about me page Uh, about me rob domillo. You can find out where I'm there Yeah, excellent. It's nimble collective.com. 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So you listen to dts not good day internet when you go to sleep, right? Yes, okay Although I'll try switch Well, I mean you don't have to chew you it'll take you longer to That's true. We we can pat on another 60 Your lullaby and a dream that I've been chased by roger down the street Whoa Very weird Apple canceled the air power wireless charging mat It'll wind up that break while we were doing the show Yeah, like I'm looking at it right now two hours Gosh darn it. I was really looking forward to this Call them up Looks like apple doesn't Just get to the get Tim cook on the phone Yeah Or Taking calls now so Well now and they're together so actually see if you call opera complain about this when she's doing the apple tv thing There'll be no chargers You get a charger and you get a charger apple has canceled the air power product completely citing difficulty meeting its own standards After much effort, we've concluded air power will not achieve our high standards and we have canceled the project We apologize to those customers who we're looking forward to this launch We continue to believe that the future is wireless and are committed to push the wireless experience forward Said dan richio apple senior vice president of hardware engineering in an emailed statement today. I'm so bummed That sucks. I'm not but you're not bummed. Did you not want this? I wanted this Yeah, I've got plenty of chargers. I don't know why me too, but I mean I wanted a wireless charger No, I mean I have I have wireless chargers. I didn't Tesla had one to a little cranky thing Related to tough engineering problems related to the laws of physics specifically I've heard this is josh constain from tech crunch that they ran too hot because the 3d charging coils and close proximity to One another required very cautious power management. Basically. They didn't want these things to catch on fire So they should not have ever announced them Yes, that it that is a much better way to look at this and having just had an announcement of things that aren't ready yet Granted oprah's documentaries probably won't catch on fire Uh, it does give me some pause as to you know Dude apple is no longer waiting to announce things until they're sure they'll come out. Yeah Well, it's interesting. I mean that I always wondered about that whole thing like it like it generates a lot of heat and you There's a lot of wasted energy going to power a 5 volt device. I don't know Someday it'll happen someday but It wasn't directed was it was directed at your device or was it just You walk close to the coils and you get charged. Yeah, what was uh sarah then all no no This is not a trick question What was it about it that you liked uh that you particularly liked about that versus just buying a third party wireless charger That's already out there nothing, I mean Yeah, I mean the same way that I would buy lots of apple products that you know are designed to work with No, but I'm sure there has to have been something where you looked at it and like, okay, that's cool Well, I mean Is it because of you at once does you know Does the smart trackpad seem cool to you like some people are like nah, I mean I like them It's an oh, you're not allowed to sarah No, that's fine. I didn't know if there was something else in the features of it It's wider You know the idea that you could put your iphone you're watching your your uh air pods on it all at once It's also, you know something that apple was you know cooking up You you know, they're they're you know the naysayers go like ah Everyone else has already done this and apple is just kind of like pretend that they reinvented the whole thing and that they you know It was you know their idea to begin with But I wanted to know what that was going to look like because You know is and I am an apple fangirl certainly, but you know historically apple is really good at the sort of thing You know sort of tricking everybody into being like well, we weren't the first but we're the best So I wanted to see this and I'm kind of disappointed that it seems to be dead in the water You were expecting that when they announced it there then they would reveal the thing that made this so much better than the Yeah, like I don't totally know what that would have been but I was Into it. Uh, whoops. I'm a game company Yeah For the title you mean? Yep. Yeah in case anyone doesn't speak roger. He was suggesting a title for the show Maybe roger is admitting he's a game company That was not related to the apple it out. Please. That's a good title. I like that. Whoops roger is a game company All right. We always expect it Is chi based charging specifically for air pods uh Air power was proprietary and intended to combine two different wireless charging methods Okay, that's That's that's why they had the engineering challenge. I'm like, well, all these other people are making it work Why aren't they that that's what it was? And it was designed so that you could place an iphone air pod or apple wash on any portion of the map Why isn't the air why isn't the watch chi? then That's the other solution the problem is change the next generation watched. Uh-huh God forbid That just seems unnecessarily complicated Who is it that makes the Am I imagining this or did somebody create a bowl? Did I see this at c s? Did the year like a like it looks like a bowl that you would sit by your front door He would just toss things in and it would charge charge them. I remember that. Yeah, that does But but yeah, it was tell was it intel I was like and that that was a wait for that for a long time too It was like, well, that's actually a cool idea if I can just toss my watch and my phone in there Right, which is like grab a beer. Most people already put their keys in a bowl Well, not for you know, yeah for for reasons of keeping them Keeping track of them for this charging bowl. I keep them on my desk Everything else is so it's a complete mess Yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right rob, but it this was like five years ago actually. Oh my god, seriously It got introduced at CES in 2014. Wow. Whoa. Yeah What happened to it? It just didn't never made it to market It's like a thing before I suppose Well intel, you know, they very often come up with concepts that they then go. No, I'm not gonna do that So, oh, well, who knows got caught in one of those under toes under the undertoad Sounds like a band sounds like a cow says that apple has not figured out that she to wireless charging Oh, that's very clever. It is That is clever. He followed it up with I crack me up I see what he did there I put my keys in a bowl Yeah, they don't need to be charged Is it a cool bowl like a special bowl or just like a bowl that's already part of whatever bowl that eileen got Before she met me on some Travel somewhere and and that's become the key bowl It's an earthen bowl with a design on the needs take my earthen wear and support my community I'd be a convenient location to put your keys and other So so when I heard it what I heard was just this keepsake that that has a lot of memories and Feelings for her. You're just tossing your keys in it I asked first I said Should we use this to put our keys in and she said yeah, sure All right, so sounds good So used to sustain people now. No, it was never cooked. It was decorative rice. You weren't supposed to eat it. What's decorative rice? Decorative rice. Oh, yeah What's that? You know, that's where you find little mice and stuff Pop out their heads pop out of that That's decorative. Yes. It is the real thing decorative rice is a real thing No, I mean and I'm I'm not making fun. I I I don't know what that is. It's what you do It's not it's not Tom But they throw that right color it or I love it can be colored. Yeah, yeah oftentimes It's oftentimes it's used to hold things like if you have like a Not a plant but like something you want to keep in a in a like dried flowers or like dried flowers But want to keep them up might you use it? Yeah, of course. Is it treated in some way so it doesn't you know attract mice and It's it's not wet like mice couldn't eat They would die Well, because the rice is dried Like if you eat it it would swell up and it would explode their stomachs And a friend sent me a photo from something at Target, which was it was a jar filled with wine corks That had fake winery labels on them But it was like money and you put on a coffee table And her her question was who who is this for? I don't like wine But here's the thing the show that I like wine or if you like wine you've already got wine corks I have just so you know I have a glass vase filled with wine corks But you you drank the wine though, right? I I or someone in my family drank every bottle of wine that's in the wine I don't know why you would buy a exactly tree filled like I I don't have time to drink all the wine But I want to look like I do so Yeah, it was like look I'm not really a drunk but here I am I want to go back to the decorative rice Okay Because like I like I would get like if I had a bouquet of flowers, you know Kind of want them to stand up a little bit more than the water with you on their own That's functional rice. Sure But that's not decorative. I guess if you don't want to keep rice Mice away just dip it in I don't know roundup or something. I'm not even like Forget the mice terrible idea. I'm just like what does it look like in a vase the rice? Is it painted? Is it a different? Yeah, like like like if it was like a cool like steel gray rice That would be the only way I'll accept that it's decorative rice is is if an artisan had handcrafted each one out of clay That's not rice. That's if you look under a microscope. It has everybody in your um lineage Etched onto it thousands and thousands of people. It's really just Well, that's a very cool Here's some decorative rice. All right. Oh last lantern with colored rice and a tea light It's kind of like something you would do is very cool. Okay. So the colors are a big part of it. Sure, right? Yeah I mean, they don't all have to be colored if it's the right like Tone or whatever, but yeah Now you're getting the idea. All right. All right. Well, thank you that helped Sometimes a picture does say a thousand things that you didn't more in the case of rice a million Right a million the san francisco tree Ah parboiled rice one of the best inventions of the 20th early roger chang. You did not eat rice oroni No Chance you hate rice. There's no way I've eaten it, but I've never eaten it in a chinese person's home I've never eaten it ever San Francisco I ate it in northern minnesota when I was I ate it in a bowl hanging off a cable car while visiting koi tower All of them But not in a chinese home, I'll tell you that much For you humming the tune as you're on the San Francisco, I would carry a big knapsack and I just throw them at tourists Welcome to san francisco just boxes That used to be one of those um, what are the uh Would we call it with the priceless do you give to the losers of a game show? These are your consolation price That used to be that used to be one of the things they handed out at if you lost that wheel of fortune Like thank you for playing, but here's your consolation prize You didn't get the new furniture for your living room, but here's a I don't know some lefts for your shoes. Here's half. Here's literally half baked rice Oh your family for 1.5 days if you're watching this video for free Uh, remember it costs us money to buy our decorative rice, uh and rice erronee So please become a member at patreon.com slash dtns and audio listeners who are already members stick around There's more to come. There's more than just decorative right