 So just for Vermonters that aren't familiar with the situation, just why are you here today, why you want to kind of bring light to the situation and what you think they should know about? So it's a few things. There's a national day of action that's been called for and going on in solidarity with the defense of the Wallani Forest in Atlanta. This is where there's a proposed almost $100 million police training facility that would be built on the site of a 90-acre forest. And there's been sort of ongoing protests, popular unrest, in a battle both in the forest and kind of in the city council and in the press about that for a number of years now. But it's really recently hit a peak since one of the protesters was murdered by the police there, Tortuguita. As I believe the pronunciation, I don't speak Spanish, so I apologize if I get that wrong constantly. So I think the rally itself is just in solidarity with that day. And then specifically, there are a number of corporations who are really directly involved with the Atlanta Police Foundation who are funding this project. And one of those corporations, one of the prominent corporations involved in that is Cox Enterprises, which is my family's corporation. They have some active businesses in Vermont in Burlington and basically in any state. So I came to speak a little bit to my family's role in that, their role in the media, because they also sort of dominate the local media in Atlanta. And then, somewhat ironically, my sort of career in anti-police organizing in Atlanta. So I actually have a lot of familiarity with the people who are involved and some of the organizations defending the forest. And I was even directly involved with a couple of the organizations when I was down there. So I came personally to speak about that. I know there are some other groups that had words about kind of overlapping issues come today. I've come from kind of New Hampshire in Massachusetts. So I'm not as familiar with the local folks who are speaking, but I understand the broader issue and kind of what my role in coming with. You're kind of speaking about your family's funding around the project, but how would the project specifically affect people in the area in that forest? Well, I mean, to begin with, Atlanta is kind of known as a very green city, a city of trees. And this specific forest in the Southwest is known as one of the four lungs of the city. What we're also seeing at the same time is a mass displacement, overwhelmingly, of the black community in Atlanta, which was historically a black majority city and is no longer a black majority city. For instance, MLK's neighborhood, you know, the Old Fourth Ward, is basically a place with like multi-use developments, you know, loft apartments and smoothie shops and like a lot of police with like robots and cameras. And this is just an expansion of that, while they continue to under-resource all of the communities, especially the poor communities and the black communities in Atlanta. You know, there are rich white suburbs that are trying to secede and become their own cities at the same time. So it's all a systemic issue of, you know, how capitalist society is developing at this point. And these expressions of police violence are, you know, are a natural development of that. And is this kind of a battle between resources for the community versus resources for police? Like, how do you kind of view this opportunity? Yeah, resources for the people versus resources for the police who serve those who are against the people. And resources, even outside of the question of financial resources, just the devastation of such a lot, I mean, 90 acres of forest in a major city. I actually, you know, I worked next to that forest, too. And you really do, you're coming out of downtown Atlanta and suddenly you're in like a totally undeveloped forest. And it's a beautiful thing about what's there and that, you know, they would be setting bombs off, you know, and having kind of like militarized riot squads touring around there who are immediately going to criminalize, you know, and dominate and brutalize the communities right there in South Atlanta to make way for the next wave of investment and settlement. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Is there anything before you let you go that you still wanted to say? I mean, that you haven't addressed? Well, I just think, you know, a couple things about, you know, that I did want to highlight is that I do think the media in Atlanta has been really complicit in demonizing the people involved in defending the forest, calling them outsiders when I know they're not. And this definitely has to do with the investments that my family's company has in that and that the folks that they sit on boards with and other companies have to do with that. I'm sure companies that own your station. And then one thing I didn't mention is that this unprecedented sort of leveling of domestic terrorism charges at now at 23 more sort of young people who were at a music festival, you know, against Cop City, they've been given domestic terrorism charges with carry like hundreds of thousands of dollars of bail, you know, and like incredibly serious consequences. So that should be a trend that really disturbs people interested in any kind of civil liberty. And it's put a real need out there for people to donate to the bail fund, which is the Atlanta Solidarity Fund, if you look it up. I can't remember the link off the top of my head. But for those interested, I think it's important to donate to the Atlanta Solidarity Fund. Thank you so much, very appreciate you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Michelle McCormick from Cooperation Vermont. And I just wanted to welcome everybody for a moment. It is just four o'clock now. And so our plan is, in general, right? Roughly speaking, is that we'll just hang out here for a little bit and let folks gather. And definitely be talking to the folks around you. Look for people that you don't know. Say hi, find out what they're working on. Network, build community, right? This is a great time and space to do that. Because I think we're all coming from different vantage points and different organizations and efforts that we're all working on. And I think the name of this game is Collaboration, Connection, Coordination. So we're going to do that for a bit. And then I think we're going to go on Walkabout. And we're going to take this party to dealer.com. Not in a problematic way. My eight-year-old is here. Say hi, Jai. He's not going to say hi. So not in a problematic way, but in a real way. And we're going to go say hi to those folks. Does anybody know why we're going to go say hi to those folks? Well, in case you don't know, right? Fergie, do you want to tell them why we're going? Or do you want me to tell them? Well, you got a mic. Because dealer.com is a division of Cox Enterprises, which is my family's privately held company, which is one of the prime investors in Cop City, and the company which dominates the Atlanta media. So I think it's worth making a statement there. Well, the folks who organize this, they just ask me a question. But I think it's a play worth having that discussion. It impacts the local economy and a lot of businesses, a lot of companies that are directly involved in this. And any cop-murder project anywhere are well-funded by whatever. All the Atlanta companies from Debo, Coat, and then Norfolk Southern, who are really deeply involved in this, which is the same company involved in East Palestine, Ohio, etc., etc. So, yeah. All right, thank you. So, I'm going to put the music on for a wee bit. I don't know if we should move over to a place where we're not standing and parking. Okay, so people need to park. Maybe over on the other side towards the actual park. Yeah. I wonder what are you looking at? Oh, it's on. Yeah, it's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. What about you? I get a round. How about yourself? I'm from Vermont, and with that I'm going to return over to Jada. We're here in Vermont. So, it's a parseroll in instruction and expansion. For those that do not know us, FreeHer is a collective of prison abolitionists and community members mobilizing against the state's efforts to build four new prisons at a cost of $250 million, beginning with a down payment of $15.5 million to start with the women's prison construction first. Even though we know there are only going to be around 10 people that have sentences longer than five years in CRCF, they're going to build a new women's prison that can hold 194 people. We're here because our struggles are extremely connected. Okay, so we're here because our struggles are extremely connected and we can see this firsthand with the fact that we are also facing carceral construction with these new prisons. What we're witnessing with Cobb City and these new constructions is the counter-revolution and opposition in action. These types of carceral projects are popping up around the country following the 2020 uprisings, many utilizing COVID relief funds to bangle their plans to further deplete our communities. Our liberation is intertwined and Cobb City illustrates the collective nature of this fight because the Atlanta grounds will serve as a training space for police departments across the country to learn to exterminate and control social movements and uprisings. Our government only plans to answer our calls for freedom with more violence and containment and that must influence how we move forward. As more and more people become displaced and have less access to social services the more we will see our community members end up in prisons. They have no public safety plans that involve nourishing communities by investing in them. They only plan to control us. We cannot wait until the state has built up all their tools of domination. It's time to rise up and push back against Cobb City with everything we've got because the construction will be detrimental for our communities, the environment and our progress towards an abolitionist future. We have tangible and real solutions for the state to follow. We hope to create a model for the rest of the country to use in response to their own efforts to move towards abolition and eliminate the need for state institutions like prisons and Cobb Cities. But we need the support of neighbors like you to get stakeholders to understand that the time for abolition is now. Please join us in our collective to build up people power. We currently need a massive amount of support around pushing our priority legislation H-445 and H-438. H-445 is a prison moratorium bill which holds prison construction for five years but not necessary repairs or maintenance and also lifts the ban on school construction we have in this state. And just so folks know state aid for school construction has been suspended for 16 years. What does that say about Vermont's priorities? Our vision is that the state invests in solutions like the ones laid out in H-438 the Alternatives to Incarceration Bill introduced by Representative Brian Cina. H-438 establishes a working group of directly impacted community members to research and develop a diverse continuum of housing wrapped in varying levels of community-based supports and services. We're hoping the creation of this continuum of housing will lead to the eventual end of use of prisons by 2030. For those that are interested please use our toolkit at the hyphen council.us backslash call vt legislator but I will have QR code so come up to me if you need them and also we will be having a rally at the State House on April 15th from one to three to build momentum around the bills and our ideas for an abolitionist future so please consider joining us in mobilizing your own networks. The vision for abolition is to build vibrant whole and strong communities. We want to see facilities in our neighborhoods with wraparound services so our people can heal with us and so that funding that is meant for harm reduction, therapy, mental health, and other supports are in our hands and not in the hands of the state or DOC. People are suffering and we need to start getting creative with our solutions. Let's pause and look out the way we do things because more carceral infrastructure is a step backwards and we must demand better for our communities. Thank you so much Jaina for that and you know while Jaina was speaking just like this this imagery for me that I could not get out of my head right is thinking about the fact that we have a high school and a Macy's in this town but we have a moratorium on school construction in the state of Vermont while these clowns and I emphasize clowns have the unmitigated audacity to already be spending money on planning for these prisons here in Vermont and you can't tell me that this isn't a calculated strategy right that this is a calculated strategy on what they're planning to do as their housing and jobs program for our future right because put your money where your mouth is and that's where they're putting their money so this is what they're planning on to address the ongoing and worsening housing crisis in this state the fact that schools are clearly having some serious issues so I just want you to think about that and I'm gonna just stop talking because I could go on what I want to do is introduce Fareed and also take this moment to thank Fareed and the People's Kitchen so very much for preparing a meal for us back at Callahan Park when we're done with this party in front of dealer.com I'll be really quick most of the criminals that we call criminals they're actually people struggling with their economic situation we all need three things we need food we need housing and we need care when we need it that's it like everybody needs that and the real criminals are people who create the economic conditions so that people are not able to meet this needs it's the causes of the world and people who benefit from prison and from the social control that prison enables so food for everybody we have more than enough we have more than enough to house everybody and we need free health care for all thank you thank you so much Fareed for that and for that food that I can already smell cooking off of him it's going to be so good okay and the next person I'm going to introduce is Chris he's really tall okay so yeah I was like I can't miss him all right so Chris from Standing Trees right and and and here is another opportunity to make some additional linkages and this linkages in the same way right this this militarized training facility in Atlanta is being built on a protected forest right where do you think these prisons that they're planning are going to be built in Vermont do you think it's going to be the Macy's work Vermont has done to try and protect its healthy soils to protect the watershed to protect the forest we really need to be like reaching across you know different organizational lines on these issues and with that thanks everyone and thank you so much to Michelle and the organizers for making this happen I just want to ground us all in really briefly another aspect of the cop city project which is the land it's going to be built on the Atlanta city council and the mayor just approved leasing 381 acres of the Wallani forest to the Atlanta police foundation for ten dollars a year I think like we all could come up with more than ten dollars maybe put in a competing lease but I don't think that's how that works and this is land that was stolen from the Muscogee people in the 1820s for much of the 20th century until as late as the 1990s it was a forced labor farm where incarcerated people worked without getting compensated it's land with so so so much trauma and now it has recently become one of the most healing places in Atlanta that is at least absorbing some of the worst impacts of climate changing climate change mitigating flooding keeping the stream full clear in the creek that it drains into providing some shade and cooler temperatures for the majority black neighborhoods nearby and they want to clear cut it all to make a cop training ground for the entire country and this kind of thing is happening in Vermont as well and that's just some of these linkages that Michelle was talking about I want to make like right across the street I'll say a sentence that's the largest private green space left in Burlington they're going to build a Nordic spa there it's poison land it's was one sacred land to the Abeneke it used to be a highly productive marshland they poisoned it now they want to build a spa on it in the intervail on an Abeneke archaeological site is the McNeil plant which burns forest from all across the state and now also we have the forest service is proposing some of the largest logging projects ever in the state right now the telephone gap project is up for debate it would be almost 12,000 acres of some of the most mature forests in the state that they want to heavily log the comment period for that is four more days so you can see Laura who's walking around handing out fires in the black pants and jacket raising your hand you should talk to Laura if you want to leave a comment there's already been over 600 we're building momentum for that and again these issues are all related destruction of forest destruction of nature and destruction of each other so stop cop city and build a common car next we're going to have Andy who's going to talk to us more about these conservation efforts hey my name is Andy I haven't planned to say anything today but we're standing in front of the barge canal I've been working with a group called friends of the barge canal and it's not just going to be a bathhouse here it's going to be a bowling alley over there and the thing is that this barge canal and I don't want to go into this very long but this this area right here is a sacrifice zone it's been used as a sacrifice zone since 1849 for the prosperity of burlington industry there was lumber yards there was a manufactured gas plant this here was you know brush factory there was upholstery there was general dynamics and bell aircraft over there they all dumped stuff in this area and since 1966 when they closed the manufactured gas plant it's rewilding by itself and since 1992 when the people of burlington rose up and said to the EPA no you can't take all of this soil and water and put it into a toxic waste dump over next to Lake Champlain people actually organized and kept the EPA from doing that and for the first time ever the EPA had to shelve their plan for quote remediating this area this is why when you look out there now you see trees you see beavers and deer and muskrat and herons and it actually is as Chris said the biggest wild space in burlington right now so keep your ears open for efforts that we're doing over the next uh three months to organize around this barge canal friends of the barge canal dot com i mean by dot org and um uh you know uh it is all connected but uh i couldn't avoid saying something's interesting right here thank you thank you so much for that and uh speaking of sacrifice zones you know one of the biggest sacrifice zones that i can think of is the entire working class right and and it just continues to get worse and worse and worse as we're facing absolutely you know and i don't think this is my humble opinion right there's an entire international community of scientists that are telling us that we are facing ecological and climate disaster right as these corporations continue to try and extract every single i almost swore he's here he's heard worse every single possible thing that they can out of the planet and the working class and with that related to dealer dot com and literally related to cox enterprises my favorite absolute favorite class trader and uh furgy would you like to come address the crowd hello i haven't been a burlington in 20 years the last time i came here the iraq war started the next day and i got arrested on the new york side but i just moved to new hampshire uh i actually wanted to ask if we could uh just have a moment to acknowledge manuel tortuguita paella saran uh which i probably butchered the pronunciation of but the forest defender who was murdered by atlanta police um when things really recently escalated for sitting in a tree so we could just have uh not a whole minute but just a little moment of silence uh to remember uh them first i'm somebody who personally lost two people to police violence since i got involved in opposing police violence um so it gets really real when it gets really real um but my name is james cox chambers junior everyone knows me as furgy uh i live in new hampshire i work as a journalist and an organizer i'm uh in a leadership position of a very small organization called the berkshire communists in western massachusetts and i mostly manage our free martial arts and self defense program and i'm part of our political education um we're also developing a journal but above all my occupation in life is attempting to leverage the skills connections and resources that i was lucky to end up with towards furthering revolutionary consciousness in this region in this country and strategically allocating and redistributing the pile of generationally stolen wealth that i was born out of by origin disconnected i am from the class of people who dominates and exploits the masses and who sets the rules and standards in our society in this country and in an age of in an age of advanced imperialism or what hui newton would call reactionary intercommunalism this really extends to the entire globe right we make the rules i'm a member of the cox family who depending on who you where you look or who you ask falls somewhere in the top 10 richest families in the united states as a family we have complete private ownership of cox enterprises incorporated which is headquartered in atlanta which includes one of the largest cable and internet internet providers in the country manheim auto auctions auto trader kelly blue book dealer dot com uh a large investment in rivian cloud technology for surveillance with the department of defense and a slew of tv and radio stations and newspapers including the only paper of note in atlanta the atlanta journal constitution and the largest tv and radio stations in that city we also similarly to this swap field newspaper building to the city for free in exchange for tax breaks and i believe they built a cyber crimes uh surveillance research facility in that building um we as a company uh have hosted many events for the atlanta police foundation which is the organization behind this cop city project which seeks to annihilate 90 acres of forest in southwest atlanta which is known as one of the city's four lungs in order to build a police training ground five times the size of anything the nypd has access to access to my first cousin alex taylor who is the ceo of cox currently occupies an honorary chair position on the on the police foundation the extent of his actual involvement is unclear to me but i know he and other high ups at cox and other atlanta corporations have access to regular updates and intel on the project uh and have significant influence with every city and state office my father james cox chamber senior who doesn't work for cox but is a primary owner is also part of the state farm arena ownership group who own the atlanta hawks they are also a major funder of the atlanta police foundation let me back up one second there's been a lot of chatter as usual about the diversity of tactics used by our comrades defending that forest down in atlanta a lot of this shit we heard during fergusson george floyd about peaceful versus non-peaceful process condemnation of quote violence and predictably mainstream emphasis on love in civil society well who made the rules in that civil society connected who benefits from those rules i'm going to go back to hui one more time and i'm quoting hui newton here we condemn violence but we make a distinction between the violence of the aggressor and the self-defense of the people he goes on the only way the people of the world can resolve the contradiction between love and defense is to reverse the dominance at which point we can keep the love and get rid of the gun in the end the national movement against police violence and truly the international revolutionary struggle is all about this dynamic the reality that the violence unleashed upon the people of the world by the dictatorship of capital which is centered in this country cannot be overcome by simply reforming our system and asking daddy nicely to give us more toys and more rights anyone who's had to face the violence of the state head on understands this and that's why i ended up where i did in spite of my family when i was young really because of my family's resources i was subjected to all forms of institutional violence state medical police etc i grew up in the northeast but i moved to atlanta in 2012 to work for my family's company for a year when i was like 20 um it was in southwest atlanta next to the wilani forest uh the workers were mercilessly exploited there their hours were manipulated there were mass layoffs during the recession while my family profited in the billions i left that after a year and i came back to atlanta in 2012 and this is when my time in organizing really began mostly centered around the issues of police terrorism we worked through the spontaneous uprisings of ferguson valtimore charlotte baton rouge minneapolis charleston we organized jail support and direct actions back in atlanta we opened a gym and meeting space which didn't allow cops or active military and we caught some heat and death threats for it then i was at standing rock where we faced incredibly brutal state violence from federal local uh all sorts of jurisdictions and from g4s the largest private security firm on earth which has private prisons in louisiana which holds children in solitary confinement and occupied palestine and which does corporate security for a million corporations including cox um and i came back north and started some projects up here uh during the george floyd uprising i was arrested with 320 people in mott haven in the bronx and all of us were beaten new york city just awarded each of us 21 000 in a settlement for what happened after that when they suspended our rights for more than 24 hours um but it's not coming from the police pension fund which i wanted to mention this it should come from the new york city police pension fund and not from tax may or money in new york um i've been in war zones that were torn up by bombs from the u.s so with this and a lot of training and education from revolutionaries especially from the black radical tradition um this is how i came to orient myself as someone aiming for class tradership and why i feel so strongly about this issue um and these are are my friends and comrades who are down there fighting this fight a lot of them so that my family's paper may claim that there are outside agitators that are doing this and this is bullshit um these are the people of atlanta of all varieties saying no and surveillance state which has already displaced enough black atlanans that the once black majority in the city is now gone that martin luther king's neighborhood is nothing but multi-use development smoothie joints surveillance cameras and cops on scooters in riot gear brought to you by the convergence of ruling class interest aka the atlanta way where policy is determined by backs room deals the real estate industry and the hedge funds who dominated uh who sit on boards and work the investments of corporations like cox and norfolk southern who support the enlargement of the police state to protect their hoarded assets who destroy the communities in the ecosystems which have existed for generations um and the people opposing these measures are the workers and the students and the clergy and the hustlers and the mothers and the down on their luck and everyone in that city who didn't get lucky enough to be born on top and this is truly the american way across the board and this is the last bit i'll go on before the importance of what you know uh the calls to action that obviously my relationship to my family and the company has always been uneasy but this complicity in cop city and then the criminal nature of our media's coverage uh of the whole episode which at this point has cost one innocent life and threatens the well-being and freedom of dozens more many of whom are now charged with domestic terrorism for going to a concert or sitting in a tree um where the uh to the point where the bail fund that i used to help run uh has seen hits that we never thought imaginable like hundreds of thousands of dollars a person um you know facing like really serious sentences for doing nothing once things got to this point i made the final decision to do everything i could to divest from any association personally from my family's company legally i can't discuss the aspects of this any further but i encourage everyone who can do that in any capacity to do the same so workers in any cox companies whether it's right here at dealer.com in burlington vermont um whether it's a guy i saw driving a kelly blue book car on the way on 89 from new hampshire uh down in atlanta at the ajc driving the cable vans in phoenix you can stage work slowdowns sick outs or stoppages customers of any of cox's businesses can take their business elsewhere and tell them why and anyone can write to alex taylor my cousin the ceo to james cox kennedy the chairman to my father james cox chambers senior his sisters margaret ataylor and kathy reyner or his cousin blair this is the generation of people who hold power in that company and could tell the mayor to stop this right now if they wanted to um and could certainly divest publicly and could certainly make the media stop telling a bunch of lies about the people who are trying to say before it um uh i publicly asked my family to disavow this cop city project and i urge anyone with any connection to any of the corporations involved to do the same the cooperation of cox's media with the mayor and the pd's agenda has been seamless this is something no one ever voted for and the rest of the media have followed suit this has enabled them to maintain a ridiculous narrative and especially to trump up these incredibly dangerous domestic terrorism charges and what's the answer to this plague of police terrorism i would say that we cannot reform a system which is doing the work it is intended to do we know that this system will try to annihilate anything and anyone who meaningfully challenges it that is why tortugita is dead that is why martin luther king malcolm and hui are dead why asada shakor flew to cuba but while andy young became an ambassador and john lewis served in the senate approving every military budget he ever saw because they played ball with my family in georgia we don't need to fund stuff like this billions at cop training billions at militarization billions to send ukrainians and russians to be cannon fodder and no resources to our communities food schools housing simple shit and yeah we need community control over police but we need community control over government infrastructure and the means and rules of production so long as the police work for the rich and this is a system dominated by the rich for profit the police cannot be reformed to serve the people and the prisons cannot be a place of healing and rehabilitation the system right now must end and the displays of resistance and power we've seen in places like ferguson standing rock and willow knee forest show us that this is very possible that there will always be more of us than there are of them i encourage everyone to join a revolutionary organization today to join a revolutionary study group because if we are not organized we can never convert these moments of spontaneous uprising into sustainable power and if you have some means because we all know that the champagne left has a huge presence up in new england throw that shit down on these bell funds because it's unprecedented of atl solidarity dot org on that sign as much money as you can i've donated a lot to various groups down there community movement builders other grassroots groups the bail fund especially after this d domestic terrorism stuff i did want to encourage people to attend the anti-war rally in dc that's coming up on march 18th there are a lot of groups involved in that um and to speak to someone from one of the groups who spoke today uh if you want to get involved my message from the one percent as always is that we are paper tigers that the masses make history and that you should come and take what's yours from us all power to our comrades in atlanta all power to the memory of tortugita and much love to everyone here let's build a movement they can't stop thank you so much what do i want to say here a couple of things one is as you've you know seen just from the speaker lineup here that there's a variety of different organizations who oftentimes you know get very focused on the particular issues that we are working on why because there are a lot of work right takes a lot of effort but sometimes that does tend to make us very siloed in the way that we organize and the other organizations that we work with and i am just you know that this is my mantra for 2023 is set the bullshit aside right we as a movement need to actually be a movement right we need to be using all of the tools in our toolbox a variety of tactics and a variety of skill sets as a history of the left oftentimes we you know shoo shoo on people who focus on policy work and the people who focus on policy work you know shoo shoo on the people who are much more involved in direct action right and then everything in between we have to be using a variety of tactics we have to be showing up for each other we have to be taking a very broad based approach to how we're seeing the interconnectivity of these issues and working together right we have to coalition build we have to work together i don't want to hear anything about the people's front of judia or the liberated front of the people who knows that reference am i just fucking getting old okay there's like four of us in here that know that okay so anyway tough crowd so with that i just want to thank everybody again so much for coming up today and showing up and i want you to be on the lookout and be prepared and to be prepared to move faster than sometimes that we often do because especially in vermont with our weather all the things and the distances that people have to travel to get anywhere to do anything and the types of roads that we're having to travel on it can be tough right so we're often you know planning long times in advance to do things but the urgence we have to be able to meet the urgency of the moment we're going to have to be flexible we're going to have to be agile we're going to have to be prepared to do that so just beyond the lookout there's going to a couple of things that are coming up in in april free her is going to be planning an event in Montpelier so keep an eye out for that be prepared to be involved right and and and i'm sure stop cop city is just going to continue especially over the summer to heat up right and one thing i know about vermonters and how deep you know some of the folks here have skill sets um you know i think that you know we need to be starting to organize in our affinity spaces and circles to possibly make a trip when the call is made to do a thing right there's some discussion that this could escalate to another standing rock and uh i know folks in vermont have awesome skill sets to be able to do the things mutual aid work so i have a feeling we're going to have a strong contingency there i'd like to make that a thing so anyway thank you all so much we're going to head back the direction that we came and we're going to go and have a dinner with the people's kitchen it's so awesome awesome thank you so much