 Last couple of sessions, we covered quite a bit about the Holy Spirit. The person of the Holy Spirit, that is what we are learning. What did you understand? What was your takeaway from those two sessions, two hours that we spent? Without looking into your notes, what is it that's staying with you about the Holy Spirit? Anyone? Just one thing you can share. Online folks also, you can put it in the chat. That's just the one thing that has stayed with you, that kind of stood out, that was highlighted, what we learned about the Holy Spirit. Anyone? Holy Spirit is God. That's one thing that stood out for you. Anyone else? Holy Spirit, He has emotions. He can be grieved. He can be saddened. He can be quenched. Anyone else? Holy Spirit is omnipresent. He is present everywhere, not confined to one place, time. That's true. Our fellowship with the Holy Spirit, that's something that stood out. Krisha, read that. Just go ahead and put it on the chat. Anyone else here? Trinity, yes. And what is it at? So we looked at, we started about the Trinity. Check, check, two, three, check, two, three. Check, I guess you can hear me now? Yeah, if you can hear me. Okay, okay. I just got my headset on. Right. Okay, so I see some more comments here. Holy Spirit coming through our hearts. Okay, I'm not too sure what do you mean by that, Arila? You can put down on the chat. Okay, our fellowship with the Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit is the one who will be with, within, yes, within us. He is the one who guides us and protects us. Okay, so Arila, if you see, if you can just clarify, Holy Spirit coming through our hearts, you can just put it on the chat. Okay, so Nina says he abides with us forever. He testifies and points to Jesus. He speaks. Okay, wonderful. So we looked at all this in our last session. Just one second. Okay, so today, any other responses here? Any other things that we learned? Okay, so based on what we learned before we get into our notes, based on what we learned, okay, how has it changed your relationship with God? Did it change or not change? You can be honest. He says it didn't change. It's okay. But if it changed, then you can let me know in what way. Right? So did it change your relationship with God, your relationship with the Holy Spirit? That's the question. Okay, anyone here? On the chat also, you can just put it, you know. See, we looked at several things. Trinity, we looked at who the Holy Spirit is. We looked at the person or the Holy Spirit. So you got some understanding of it, which you all shared. Okay, this stood out. So did it really change your understanding? But did it change our relationship? Right? That's an important thing, right? So if so, in what way? So that's the question. Okay, anyone? Did it change our relationship with the Holy Spirit? Okay. So here's what, here's something that, no, I just wanted to share that. See, we have this understanding that has changed, right? About God. The fact that, hey, he can be lied to. He has emotions. He speaks. He leads, et cetera. He can be convinced. Okay. So which means that since my understanding has changed, I need to move in and take that step and say, God, I'm going to invite you now with this understanding, with this revelation. I'm just inviting you for an encounter. Okay. So he's saying that, okay, he speaks. God, I want to hear you more. Right? I want to hear you more. Well, you can be grieved. I want to stop doing those things that grieve you. Okay. Okay. Right? Well, you lead and you guide. I need leading. I need guidance. So I just want to encounter more of that. I want to be led in my decisions in just a minute. Thank you for that. Yeah. Okay. Krishna says more aware of his emotions now. That's good. So the thing is this, we invite him and we yield. Even as we invite ourselves, we yield and say, Lord, you show me in all these ways. You show up in my life in all these ways. Right? So that's something. That is something that we need to do because we, it's good that we are hearing the word. It's good that we are understanding the word, getting this revelation of the word and saying, wow, there's so much. What we need to move into, you know, putting things into practice, right? Applying the word. Because God always invites us, you know, the fact that he shows himself, reveals himself, is because that he wants to be that in our lives. Right? Not just for us to, you know, learn something new. Yeah. But he wants to be that. He wants to show himself, you know, strong on our behalf. That's a beauty. Right? Because he is, we saw, you know, he's the God who speaks. So he wants to speak to us. He's the God who leads. So he wants to lead us, lead me personally. Right? So that's the very important thing. Okay. So even as we, you know, learn all these things, you ask God. You ask the Holy Spirit. You say, Lord, I want to be led by you. I want you to speak to me and he will, I want you to show me God and he will. Okay. Okay. Let's move on to chapter three. Right? Okay. So we're in chapter three and we're looking at the work of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament. Okay. The work of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament. Okay. Question was God, you know, is it the same God that we're talking about in the Old Testament and the New Testament? Or is it a different God? Same God, right? Same in the Old Testament and New Testament. But we see in the way he, in the way he ministered, in the way he moved, there is a difference. There is a difference before the cross and there is a difference after the cross. Right? So what is the difference? Specifically regarding the Holy Spirit. Okay. What is the difference? The way in which he ministered, the way, you know, what is the difference? The difference is this, that before Christ ascended and he said, you know, I send the promise of the Father. That is what he said, right? I send the promise of the Father. He will come. He will abide with you forever. Right? That is, we see that the Lord promising that in, I think, John chapter 15, I guess, 14, 15, 16, you know, and we see that happening in the book of Acts, right? Acts chapter 1, Acts chapter 2, Acts chapter 2 specifically, we see that happening, right? So there is a difference. In the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit would come upon the people. He would come, empower someone. He would come, you know, for a specific assignment and lead them to do that and then he would go. But in the new dispensation, that is, after the cross, he comes to abide with us forever. Stay with us forever. So that is why we have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. Okay. So there is a big difference, right? The way he moved in the Old Testament, the way he moved in the New Testament. There's so much that we can learn about the Holy Spirit, about the way he moved, what he did in the Old Testament. So we're going to look at how and what the Holy Spirit did in the Old Testament and we're going to learn a lot of things, just like how we learned that Holy Spirit is a person. We're going to see, it's going to really open up our understanding of the Holy Spirit can do this. The Holy Spirit can do this also, right? Okay. So let's go. So we see Genesis, we see that Holy Spirit, you know, like we saw he was God present at creation. He was moving over the waters and we see that there's a word that used there, you know, Genesis chapter one and that word, that Hebrew word, in English we see that the Holy Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters, right? So Genesis one verse two. The Hebrew word which is used there, rakaf, which means to brood over, like how a hen would brood over the, her eggs, that bunch of eggs in order to bring it to hatching, right? So that's the word that we see here, right? So the Holy Spirit was actually literally birthing creation and he was hovering over the waters. So that is something that we see here, right? Okay. We, when we read through, there are a couple of references again in Genesis, Genesis six and verse three. Okay, just keep your Bibles handy. We're going to be reading through a lot more, a lot of references. So Genesis six and verse three, this is after the flood and the Lord is saying, my spirit shall not strive with man forever for he is indeed flesh yet his days shall be 125 years. Okay. So he's saying I will not strive. My spirit will not strive with man. Okay. Then I'm just skipping a few things. We're going to Genesis 41. Okay. Genesis 41 and okay, verse 38, right? Genesis 41, 38. So here we see about, we read about Joseph. We see that he is in Pharaoh's court and this is what we see. Okay. So he interprets the dream for Pharaoh and this is what the Pharaoh testifies. He says, verse 38, can we find such a one as this? A man in whom is the spirit of God? Okay. So now, in fact, Joseph himself says verse 15, if you go, if you see there, just back to verse 15. Pharaoh said to Joseph, I have had a dream and there is no one who can interpret it, but I have heard it said of you that you can understand the dream to interpret it. So Joseph answered Pharaoh saying, it is not in me. God will give Pharaoh an answer of peace. So he's saying it is God who does this. Does what? Give the understanding of the dream and the interpretation of the dream. It is God who does this. So for Joseph, the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit gave him an understanding of the dream and also the interpretation of the dream. Now, was it important or not? What do you think? This particular interpretation for the Pharaoh, was it important or not? How important was it? I think that's Daniel. So here, we see here that nobody could interpret your right in the sense that at the end of, let's read verse 41, he has this dream of seven cows coming after and then the seven, the thin ones eat up the seven fine looking cows or the fat cows and then he dreamed the second time and seven heads of grain come up, which are thin and then the fat one and then the thin ones actually spring up and devour the fat ones. So verse eight is what you're referring to. He calls the magicians and no one could interpret. And then the butler says, oh, there was this man in prison and he could interpret. So he interprets. Okay. So this dream is interpreted. So how important was it? You know, sorry. Okay. It was important because Pharaoh could not sleep. Okay. That's what Rinchen Rinchen is saying. Okay. Anyone? Okay. I see Krisha saying it was important for Egypt's future. Yeah. It was a matter of life and death. Why? They're going to be seven years off plenty followed by seven years of famine. Okay. So it's actually a foretelling of the land's future. And it came to the Pharaoh in a dream and interpretation also comes now through Joseph. It was a very important. It was for the nation of Egypt. Right. And we see that Joseph not only does he give the understanding of the interpretation, but because of the wisdom of God that was in him, right, we read prior to that spirit of God, you know, being in him and he, he handled all the responsibilities very wisely because the Lord was with him. He gives a strategy, right, for the nation of Egypt because of which they store up, they save and they're able to go through those years of famine. Okay. So how did this come from the Holy Spirit? Right. So you see for a, maybe, you know, we think, okay, I'm not in a place where I can give strategies for nations, but maybe there are people and maybe God can use you to bring that strategy or bring that understanding. Right. Now, maybe there are people, maybe there's a chief minister, the prime minister, the president who's having dreams and they don't know that maybe they just think that it's just a dream. It's just a dream about India. Right. Maybe they're having dreams and, you know, looking for those Josephs to interpret and give that understanding. Right. And maybe it's something to do with your own family. Maybe it's something to do with, you know, where you are. Right. So someone has a dream and God is, you know, speaking something because there's no other way that they would maybe receive that message. Maybe there's no other way. Maybe there's no reference for God in their lives. Right. Maybe somebody like that, no reference for God or they don't care that the God is alive or not or whether God wants to speak to them or not. They don't care. But God cares and God gives them a message how through the dream because they're not going to listen any other way. And the fact is those who have the Spirit of God in them can rely on the Holy Spirit, rely on the Spirit of God and bring forth the interpretation. So you see, you know, the Spirit of God can do it in our day and time as he did in the Old Testament in those days. Right. Okay. Let's, let's move on. We go to Exodus. Okay. Now this is very, very interesting. Exodus chapter 28. Okay. Where we again learn about what the Holy Spirit can do now. So you see, we give this, we get this understanding that God is interested in our nation. God is interested in the affairs of the land because we are His creation. He's not saying, okay, you guys do what you want. You don't even worship me. Right. It's this land is full of, you know, a pagan, a paganism. No, Egypt was like that. There were sun worshipers, you know, all kinds of things they were worshiping. But God intervened in their lives. He cared so that they should not perish. They should have enough grain. Right. So God can do that. So here, you know, let's look at Exodus 28. We're going to look at verse three. What does it say? So shall. Okay. Just a little bit of background. Moses, everybody is in the wilderness. They've come out of Egypt. The people of Israel, you know, is this whole group which is there in the wilderness. And then God is giving some very clear instructions for Moses, for Aaron, so that they can build a tabernacle in order to worship him. Okay. They've come out of Egypt. So that's the background. Right. Okay. So, so God is saying, let's read from verse one. Exodus 28. Now take Aaron, your brother and his sons with him from among the children of Israel that he may minister to me as priests, Aaron and Aaron's sons and Adam, Abihu, Eliezer and Itamar. And you shall make holy garments for Aaron, your brother for glory and beauty. Look at verse three. So you shall speak to all who are gifted artisans whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him that he may minister to me as priest. Okay. So who's an artisan? He's a skilled workman. Okay. And when you say a skilled workman, you're saying like somebody who is skilled in maybe carvings, somebody who's skilled in making jewelry. Okay. Somebody who's skilled in stonework, carpentry. They make beautiful things out of these natural materials. Okay. So an artisan, maybe they're, they can paint, maybe they can make, you know, pottery and all that. So an artisan. I forgot saying. So you shall speak to all who are gifted artisans. Okay. Who are there. Who are there at that time. He says, whom I have filled with the spirit of wisdom that they may make Aaron's garments to consecrate him that he may minister to me as priest. Okay. So just hold that. Just go to chapter 31 and verses two to five. Okay. Chapter 31. Let me just read from verse one. Then the Lord spoke to Moses saying, see, I have called by name Bezalel, the son of Yuri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah. And I have filled him with the spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship to design artistic works to work in gold, in silver, in bronze, in cutting jewels for setting, in carving wood, and to work in all manner of workmanship. Okay. All manner of workmanship. What is all this? You know, artistic work, working with gold, working with silver, working with bronze, and carving, carving wood, cutting jewels for setting it in all these things. And then he says, I have filled him with the spirit of wisdom, spirit of God, sorry, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge. So who has filled? God has filled with his own spirit this person, Bezalel, so that he can be skilled in doing these things. Of course, it's for the tabernacle. But the fact is that we understand that God can actually fill someone, empower someone, and gift someone in these areas. Right? So anybody does painting, carvings, jewelry, who's that? You look at him. You paint, is it? Okay. So the thing is that, you know, designing everything, God is interested. Right? God is interested. And he can actually fill or even enhance those natural abilities even further, and give those abilities to, you know, do these design works. Right? I remember there was this, this, okay. So there was this mother and whom we knew, and then the daughter actually, she joined this National Institute of Design in ID, some of the premier institutes, right, for design in India. So she joined that institute and she was, you know, learning art and design work. And there in that company, they had, I mean, in that institute, they had a company which is Titan. All of you know Titan, right? Watches and, you know, in fact, Titan, when they started, they really changed the way watches were, watches were many functional. You know, those days we had HMT, anybody knows? HMT watch. Okay? HMT watches. Well, good watches. Very good. But design-wise, very simple, rather simple, right? So Titan, when Titan came in, Titan, you know, the Tata company, the design, the watch section, so when Titan came in, they really changed that, right? The watches suddenly became fashionable to wear watches, right? Because they were shaped like jewelry, they were shaped like, you know, and all those, the face of the watch had so much of design come in. So Titan wanted to wanted these students who had designed students to come up with a design for their watch. Okay? So they, they said, okay, you design, you know, of the watch face, and if yours gets selected, then, you know, you get a cash, you get a prize, you get a cash award, and also, you know, something, you know, like you get to work with a company or get to train with the company and all that. So that was, you know, another thing. So, so as soon as the mother, you know, she heard about this, she was very excited. Okay? So she went to the, because she had read this. So she went to all these scriptures, Exodus 28, Exodus 31 and said, Lord, you fill Bezalel, and so you fill my daughter with the Holy Spirit, you fill my daughter, you give her the ability, Lord, you give her those dreams, you give her the creative ability to come up with a design so that it'll, it'll stand, you know, far out and better than any other design because it's from you, God. So you give her that thing. So she started praying that each and every day. And, and Lord, you know, this is what happened. So her design got selected and above, you know, more than all the other students and some of their students were really good, you know, some of the best in the country actually, you know, get trained in national institute of design. But this is what she prayed. She said, my daughter, you know, you said God's Spirit of God, you can do it. So, you know, let my daughter be filled with God and that's what happened. Right. So, so Kevin, if you're painting, she said, Lord, give me those prophetic, you know, art, you know, what, what is in your heart that you want me to represent depict in this painting? Okay. What is it that you want to show forth? You know, just as an aside, you know, art can be very, very powerful. You know, the painting can be very, very powerful. We've read testimonies and prophetic art, you know, where God inspires and God speaks and God gives you what and tells you what you need to put on that canvas and you go ahead and do it and that can be a message by itself for someone who is watching it. Okay. And there was this very interesting testimony of this person who came to that particular church and that church where they have a time of, you know, painting as the worship is going on, they will paint. Okay. So this person was painting and she had this, you know, she was asking God, what should I paint? And then she had this thing to paint a particular bird. I forget what bird, but that bird, and she said that, you know, she's terrible at painting it. She cannot paint that. But she, anyway, she went ahead, God, since you're asking me to do it, I'll go ahead, I'll paint, I'll do it. Okay. So she's there and since she's painting and in that church came this lady, she saw this artwork and she just burst into tears. Okay. And after church came and met her, after the service came and met her and said, you know, why did you paint that? So she said, no, the Lord asked me to paint. And so she said, no, you know, me and my brother, he's no more. But we started, we wanted to start a company. We wanted to get into, you know, this particular area of media and making films and all that. And we wanted to get into that. And God, we had this vision. You know, this particular bird that you painted was supposed to be the logo, was supposed to be the, you know, everything to do with it. And so, but suddenly he passed away and I was so disappointed and I was so filled with regret and all that. And I just thought, you know, I just shelved that dream. I didn't go ahead with this. It was supposed to be a media ministry kind of thing, but I didn't go forward with it. I just, I grew bitter, angry with God. I didn't understand why this would happen. So, and after all those years, today I came to church. Yeah, I said, okay, let me, let me just come to church. And I came here and I saw this and I believe that the Goddess, you know, touched me. God wants to, you know, God has done this work of healing. He's brought me closer and I feel all these burdens lifting off. I don't feel angry anymore. I don't feel bitter anymore. Just imagine, Spirit of God who knows, like you said, you know, he's omniscient, omnipresent, he knows. So, he drops this thought into this artist and says, okay, do this. If she said, okay, God, you know, let me paint something here. Let me paint horse. I'm good at painting horses, but maybe not this bird. I mean, I missed it completely. But then she painted this and it was prophetic because it came from the heart of God who knew the needs of people who would be coming that day. She painted it. And there was this person who came closer to God who received the healing in her heart after all those years because of that artwork. Okay. Wow. So, God is a God who gives those creativity, you know, answers and strengthens our creativity for the Spirit of God. Okay. So, we see this in Exodus 31 and 35 also talks about the same thing, right? 35 and I think it's 31. Okay, let's, yeah. And he has filled in with the Spirit of God in wisdom and understanding and knowledge in all manner of workmanship. Okay. So, that, you know, really, okay, NIFT alumni. Okay, Krisha. So, you know this? Oh, you're an NIFT alumni? Okay. Oh, wonderful. So, yeah. So, it's NIFT, not NID, I guess. Okay. Wonderful. So, anyway, so this is something that you can, you know, you can really stand strong in and say, God, you know, you did this, you fill me and show me what I need to do and how my, you know, the work of my hands can be redemptive in your hands and how it can reach out and all that, yeah. So, all the best. Have a great adventure. Okay. Right, so we see this, okay? Exodus. Let's move on. Numbers 11. Okay. We may not go into each and every verse, you know, but I'd like to encourage you to, you know, go to those scripture portions and read through. Okay. Let's read Numbers 11 and we are reading from 17, right? So, this is something that happened in, again, in the time of Moses, along with the children of Israel. Okay. So, the Lord said to Moses, gather to me 70 men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the elders of the people and officers over them. Bring them to the tabernacle of meeting that they may stand there with you. Okay. So, there are these, see, just before that, if you see, if you read verse, sorry, chapter 11, you see that Moses having a tough time with the people. Okay. Why? People are complaining. It's not just one or two. It's not like a classroom of 20, but it's many people. Right? It's like the nation of Israel. Right? And they are complaining. They are grumbling. And they are saying, you know, they're just, hey, in Egypt, we were so better, so much better. We had great food. We had fish. We had cucumber. We had melons. And all this now, you know, they're complaining about, about manna. They're complaining about everything. You know, there's nothing except manna before us. See, they're complaining. And Moses reaches a place where he's saying, God, just kill me here. Okay. So Moses is saying, God, you only, you kill me. I can't stand this anymore. I don't want to be the leader. I don't, I can't leave these people. They're complaining. Very difficult people. Why don't you just kill me, Lord? End it all. Okay. He reaches such a place. So the Lord is saying, you pick 70 elders, bring them. Okay. And they bring the elders. Then verse 17, he says, then I will come down and talk with you there. I will take up the spirit that is upon you and put the same upon them. And they shall bear the burden of the people with you that you may not bear it yourself alone. Okay. So the Lord is saying, okay, bring these elders. Now bring them here to the tent of meeting. And I will put some of what you are carrying. By the Holy Spirit. And I will take that and put it upon the elders. So what is this that he's going to do? What is the Holy Spirit doing here? He says, I'll take some of the spirit that is upon you and put it upon the elders, all the 70 elders. So why is he doing that? It's there in the verse, but he's doing that. Yeah. So what does that mean? Yes. Yeah. So he says, so that you don't have to bear the burden anymore. They will also carry the burden. So this burden of leadership, this weight of leadership, this whole huge responsibility of leadership. Now one man has been bearing it. There's a lot of saying, it'll be upon these others also. They will be the leaders. They will talk to the people. They will bear some of that load. So you don't have to bear it alone. Okay. So this is a very important lesson here that we see in verse 17. Okay. Let's, you know, 18 onwards it talks about how that happens, right? Moses goes verse 24, he told the people the words of the Lord. He gathered the 70 and placed them around the tabernacle. Verse 25, then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to them and took off the Spirit that was upon him and placed the same upon the 70 elders. And it happened when the Spirit rested upon them that they prophesied, although they never did so again. Okay. And it talks about how two of them who did not come, they also were prophesying, right? And they're saying, Lord, should we ask them to stop? In fact, it's Joshua. He's saying, Lord, stop. You know, Moses, my Lord, forbid them, stop them. They didn't come to the tent. They are in their own tents and they are prophesying. Then Moses says, verse 29, oh, that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them. So that was Moses' heart saying that the Lord, that all of the Lord's people, that they would have an encounter, that they would be filled with the Spirit and they would prophesy. So the thing is this, the Holy Spirit can take care of leadership, the importance, the weight of leadership. Okay. How many of you have had, like, if you've led the team, maybe have time, how many of you have led the team, maybe you were a team leader, maybe in where you were studying or anyone, okay? So I see, okay, somebody here, okay, some hands going up. Okay. So, so is it easy? Okay, Nina is saying yes. Yes. So is it easy or difficult? What do you think? Why is it difficult? Because everyone has their own opinion. Okay. Because it's people, right? It's people and no two people are alike. They have their own likes, dislikes. And, you know, it depends. It depends on, you know, how the team is, if the team is well of one, united, one heart, one mind, one vision, then it's so much easier, right? We're saying, okay, hey, we're going. This is the direction we are going. Everybody's agreed. Fine, let's go. But everybody's saying, no, why should we go there? You know, why can't we go like this? Why can't we turn around? Why today? No, why should we go there today? Right? Then you have differing opinions and differing, you know, things. And then people are saying, so all this, you know, this unity and there could be conflicts, right? You know, there could be just two people fighting over some silly thing, something which is so insignificant and it becomes a big thing. They're not talking to each other and then there's division, etc. So, you know, you know, the whole weight of leadership, even for a small team, you know that it's not easy. So you can imagine, right? Big responsibilities, you know, maybe, well, maybe in the days ahead, God would use you to be or promote you to positions of leadership, right? It could be the company, it could be in an organization, it could be church, it could be ministry. Well, the Lord is saying that I would empower you, right? Not only that, I would raise up others and I would empower them as well, okay? The way he did for Moses. So, who does it? The Holy Spirit does it, right? So you see, well, you see, you saw creation, you saw artistic work, you see leadership in all these ways. Interpretation of dreams, you know, strategy for the nation. The Holy Spirit is involved in it, right? So that, well, definitely expands our understanding, okay? Yeah, I'm just reading the comments here, fine. Okay, let's look at one more, okay? Numbers 27, right? Let's go to Numbers 27 and verse 18, okay? This is the Lord's instruction to Moses. Now, he's talking about succession in leadership, okay? So Moses is going to pass away and after him, there needs to be a leader to leave the nation. So it's about this, right? So we see 27 and verse 18, the Lord said to Moses, take Joshua, the son of none with you, a man in whom is the spirit and lay your hand on him. Set him before Elijah the priest and before all the congregation and inaugurate him in their sight. And you shall give some of your authority to him and that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient. He shall stand before Elias the priest who shall inquire before the Lord for him by the judgment of the Eurim. At his word, they shall go out and at his word, they shall come and he and all the children of Israel with him, all the congregation. So Moses did, as the Lord commanded him, he took Joshua and set him before Elias the priest and before all the congregation and he laid hands on him and inaugurated him just as the Lord commanded by the hand of Moses. So we see this happening and also if you would turn to Deuteronomy chapter 34 and verse 9, Deuteronomy chapter 34 and verse 9, this is what we see, right? Now Joshua, the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom for Moses had laid his hands on him so the children of Israel heeded him and did as the Lord had commanded Moses. So we see even in succession of leadership God knows and God plans and God instructs and God empowers the next line of leaders as well. So we see all this done by the Holy Spirit. So we'll take a break and then we'll come back in 10 minutes. We'll take a break right now.