 People, especially the local communities have to have the buy-in to be able to make the buy-economy work because they're closest to their natural resources and they're highly dependent on natural resources. So we need the participation of the local communities in partnership with the local governments, with the academe and the private sector, and to be able to bring those synergies together and scale it up from the local to the national and the regional. We also have to take into account the sustainable development goals and how they all interrelate in order to make a buy-economy business sustainable for the long term. I think one way to make a buy-economy sustainable or a driving factor would be for government to help small business or indigenous or marginalized groups have access to finance. Buy-economy is mean that it's not only technical things related to the buy-o thing for buy-o energy and also buy-o products, but we have to consider the benefits of the buy-o products just like the economic perspective of buy-o economy. So in order to transform to the sustainable way of the buy-o economy, we have to consider many, many things. For example, we have to consider a social aspect. What I can see, it can be applicable in the energy sector is we need to map like each community indigenous value and their indigenous resources to be able to extract and drive this small-scale community towards adopting the buy-o economy. The development of buy-economy is driven by manufacturers and one of the most important driver is of course the active participation of the government and also government agencies. Why? Why government and government agencies? This is because they are the ones who actually develop the policy.