 Listen to a little more here Mark Shapiro February 14 2022 lecture the rise of reform the rabbinic response Wanted to write his and I mentioned this changing the So her scala was the Jewish Enlightenment really got launched in the 19th century as Jews started embracing secular learning So shall all Berlin was an orthodox rabbi and someone with secular learning and also a massive forger So a hetter and hetterium refers to permissions Rabbi gives you permission say to listen to music during the period of the Jewish calendar where normally listening to music is prohibited But in your case, it's permitted because you're struggling with depression and a true vote is a rabbinic response to a question the question about Jewish law of Jewish theology Jewish philosophy about life politics It's a decision It's as normal as any other profession Heretic The first reason he says not to write about it. The second is sort of assumes that Somehow the honor of his forefathers is reduced. I don't see it that way I think we should be citizen enough to know that so well and we can give other examples That's why you have Guys in the first part of the 9th century Ravish small I'm going up load to know today. You can never name it But you smalls a kosher name my Robbie you're small you got it right there. You can't argue with explicit, you know, tonic statements Second reason the site where says not to write about it is that has already received his own ashen He's already received his punishment that he's now cleansed. So therefore you're gonna bring it up So unless you've experienced orthodox Judaism or unless you've experienced Incredibly intense in group identity. You don't know how great the pressure is to conform Right so intense in group identity is wonderful source of strength and power It's an effective tool at navigating life Tends to make people happier more effective, but it comes with tremendous disciplines and Prices Such as restriction of personal freedom can't just do what you think is right About Abraham Geiger and Jacobson we're talking about the early reform rabbis in Germany in the 19th century Those people were heretics from day one But I have to say I've never heard of such a thing like that We all know about people who became heretics and I've never heard and I supposed to talk about them I'm country you'll get a wrong moment elsewhere on the country. You're supposed to speak about You're supposed to expose them, but that's what Think support for that is in the term you retracted of Yonah 59 B So Orthodox life is segregated right there are those in the know and there are the leading intellectuals leading thinkers right and then there's the common people who just Fully occupied with earning a living and being with their friends and family Not everyone is a scholar in orthodox Jewish life For the masses do we need to let the masses? I mean Joe Schmoe and Benai Brock does he really need to know about this that's the issue And again, I would take issue with this type of because I don't think all the most you know about this There's plenty of post even don't know this story and it could illuminate it for them Now the last two reasons this type work is I think are the most interesting and the most important as well He writes that discussing you can write a book on a scholar discussing the episode I think this type work assumes that in the early there's actually more today who are taking it in this day in which over this day other than his father I don't really know if anyone was taken in but as you get to more modern times you have money We're taking it so maybe that's what he was referring to and he says if you do this You know be embarrassing to those ages who were taken in by the forgery. They were reflect Poorly on them again. I have to say I that means that we can't discuss the you're show me culture In a couple weeks we're going to speak to a bar overlander from Budapest is the world's expert of the Ushami culture You know how many people you saw were taken in by the Ushami culture many more They were taken in by Schalberlin Ushami culture in the early times it's published So there was a Jew I think in the 18th century Shaptis V at the height of his fame Fame had a third of the Jews in the world believed that he was the Messiah including many leading rabbis and Then Shaptis V ends up converting to Islam This labor gives is that the faith of the simple people So the chief rabbi of Rome think after World War two ended up converting to Christianity I have not many great rabbis have converted to Christianity It's interesting listening to other talks They just assume that the more Torah you learn the greater it's not you become the greater time of home and that's everything's great and That's not true Just because you learn more Torah doesn't mean you're going to be a better person a better husband a better friend Better member of the community doesn't mean you're going to be more honest Doesn't mean you're going to be less addicted to pornography or to alcohol or to drugs All right You learn more Torah or you learn more mathematics or you learn more physics This means that you're more learned in those particular areas. There's no inherent necessary Accompaniment to this learning and just learning about the Holocaust. It doesn't doesn't make you a better person Doesn't make you kinder doesn't make you braver. Does it make you more clear? Someone who grew up in a rabbinic family So Alicia Ben-Abuya was a heretic in the Talmud right he he was friends with the Rabbi mayor in the Talmud and He may have known that Rabbi Akiva as well But he lost his faith due to Jewish suffering at the hands of the Romans the barcode fire revolt So Louis Ginsburg a great Torah scholar, but a leader in conservative Judaism, right? He broke away from orthodox Judaism to be exposed to this this information It's not when I almost said Roth's idea One of the things I discovered on my trip to Israel a few weeks ago I want I discovered lots of this stuff including color pictures of your fiat of one or no one's ever seen it They've never been out there. I'm gonna put them on the blog post not the next one one after that You'll see these will then become the famous pictures No one's going to remember that I discovered it and I put them out there, but that's okay But I the reason I'm not showing you them now is because because I work my lessons Someone's gonna pull it off the video and do what they do with Eshel remember and read the the Talus or the different colors And put it out there so everyone and they took the Libra pictures I showed you and they were going all over the internet So someone sent them to me and said have you seen these pictures? I said have I seen these pictures? I'm the one who put the pictures out there One of our listeners and then I told the whole story on a blog post Yeah, people want people want the covered all right people people want the glory People want the attribution All right, even if you're a great scholar You still want the glory? That's just part of human nature No Ones and it's such a religious document to his family. He's going into an operation and So I want you to remember, you know always to be proud of your Judaism and Be aware that the most important thing is not material pursuits but spiritual pursuits and keep heritage are all close to you He's a big journey. Yeah, so what a what a ethical will Where I discovered this because I don't want to get all these people are gonna go with the take it out from under me But it's a great great document people are gonna love this document when I publish this Because it shows you the piety of Say you're now some cynic is gonna say what do you expect? He's going under the knife. He's having an operation. So that he's He's focused on these things. Okay, you could be but you know shalom penis in the Zephardi's memoir of shalom as Article So the moraine the book him is my monodys work on Jewish philosophy Even in the hospital So the nurses apparently were very impressed by my father's behavior and his attitude in his final days My father went into hospice with about two or three weeks left to live Obviously he was very weak My father and I we made our peace, you know exchanging emails and He was about oh He was about to turn 90 so he did turn 90 before he died But According to the stories I heard, you know, it's pure spiritual Holy self shone through all the pain and the suffering and it's very easy to deal with yet a positive mental attitude He knew that it was dying was able to go, you know meet his maker without having any other feelings So get so we're getting back to the summing roach They are these Moshe couple and another person they do they put these books on Computer and they do all these tests and they can show One author multi-authors when it was written they haven't yet done the summing rose They will find all sorts of problems in my article on suicide I point out that this concept that if you commit suicide It's a much later idea So you can see these breaks in the rocks here now this is all going to fall away one day I just hope it's not a day that I'm standing on top and the the oceans just going to keep pounding away and the rocks are going to keep caving and cracking and Falling down to the ocean Let me not be here So this looks like we're on the moon doesn't it? Aside from the whole ocean thing