 The Pan-European Social Poor Political Organization, Afeni Ferre, has expressed support for calls by the Southern Governors Forum that Presidency should be zoned to the South in 2023. Now, the National Secretary General of the Association, Sholat Ebiseni, stated this in a statement issued. He said that it was President Umar Musayaradwal that was elected on 29 May 2007 and died May 5, 2010, who could not complete his eight years, thereby supposedly depriving the North of some four years. He also called on political stakeholders from the South to not be leered into the unpatrotic step of seeking such other positions as national chairman of main political parties, but joined forces to demand and ensure that the Presidency moves to the South in 2023. Well, joining us to discuss this is Saayo Opadokon. He is the leader of the National Democratic Coalition at Dekal. Thank you very much for joining us, sir. Yes, it's interesting that Mr. Ebiseni is saying that the Southern members in political parties should not accept party chairmanship, but unfortunately the PDP has zoned his national chairmanship as we speak to the South, meaning that there is no hope in terms of zoning the Presidency to the South. Well, I'm sorry that I don't want to be drawn into this discussion, because that's not the... Yes, but a ferry ferry has been a group that is asking for power to... No, I'm not the member of a ferry ferry for 60,000 and one. But you're a Southern leader and... But the truth is, all of the Southerners are asking for the same thing, whether it be a ferry ferry, whether it be in a Dekal, even the Southern governors have come across political parties to ask for a Southern Presidency. Dekal is not really interested in any partisan posterity. Our concern is that until Nigeria return to the system of government, election is not our priority. 2023 is not our priority. And I ask the question, what has Nigerian gods positively on the various elections that have been held in the country since 1998? How many elections have been held? How has those elections impacted positively on the Nigerian people? So we don't have to get involved on this or productive venture. Our concern seriously is that Nigeria secured its independence on a further constitutional arrangement, which recognizes the fact that Nigeria is an heterogeneous country that has over 350 ethnic nationalities with their different languages, different cultures, different customs, different traditions, different religions, different artifacts, different folk laws, different morals, different morals and the likes. That is... And when we had that, all the wickedness, all the processes that have been witnessed in the last... Since the Amish state, the government, the military insurrection, and then the civilian regime of Alajit Babalewa, who are the prime ministers, who are not witnessed by them. So we want a restoration. That is the constitution in 1960, 1960 constitution. The main... All the degrees made and march up by the military, they remain illegitimate beggars. They are pulled off of an equality. In fact, they are chosen to see tomorrow. So we don't want to get involved in this or productive venture. Let me ask, because you say that the election process is unproductive and you are interested in a democracy. What is a democracy without an election? And if you are not happy with what is happening, what has Nadeko been doing for the past election cycles? What advocacies have they pushed? And how powerful, what breakthroughs have you gotten? Because it's not enough to say, well, we're not interested in this thing because it's an exercise in futility. But what are you doing to change that process and make it an exercise that would pay the process? As a journalist, I expected you to be aware that I remain the convener of the quality of democracy. I know this. This is public knowledge. I know this. But I'm asking, you know, I'm putting you on the spot, sir, because you are a national TV. I appreciate what you're doing. We know what you do. Every journalist who knows about Nadeko knows what you're doing. But I ask again, you can't just say that the exercise is an exercise in futility. What do we do if we want a change of sorts? And we haven't gotten that change because we're going to keep having elections because we are in a democracy of sorts. And if you say that these elections are worthless and it's something that you don't want to exert your energy on, where does that leave us as a country and as a people? At all. You know, is it your presence? Those who are on daily benefiting from this so-called election are the ones who are trying to bulletin the entire populace. That election is the answer, whereas it is not. Because they know the machinations they fit into it. And the kind of people that would be so-called who in the government are used selling phone to bribe the electorates, to vote for them, to bribe the electoral officers, to manipulate the results, to bribe the security agents, to look the other side, and to even bribe the election tribunal, to conflate illegitimates into the illegitimates, so-called beating. So those are not the kind of things that work the way for people like us at this stage. We commit too much for the current. If you wanted a democratic system, what you now have is a civilian government, not a democratic government. So nobody should be deceived. People like us cannot be deceived. There's nothing democratic in what's going on. And so it takes me back to what I asked. Yes, we know that there are people who are not happy with the system. Nigerians, obviously, are not happy. And you and I are in this country. We've seen all the things that have played out in the past few years, even before this administration. But when we say, again, that the system is rigged, is rigged against the average Nigerian, is rigged against us, it's now us versus them, according to what you're saying, that these things no longer interest you. I'm still asking the question, where does that leave us? Because you know, you sound more like you've been there, you've done that. So what do we do? Throw our hands up in the air. How do Nigerians try to unrig this system that you think is rigged against us? No, no. Nigerians should be ready to take the best thing into hands. How? What do they do on each street in each ambulance? They should mobilize themselves for street action to demand that the current system is on streets unsuitable and unacceptable, and that they would not vote in any other election. No election will be conducted against all to further assist the government upon which the ministers believe is securely independent. That's to be the basic document of which Nigerians are admitted into the committee of nation called United Nations Organization. So all that we are doing is a legacy, and because we have submitted ourselves deeply as subservient people to the dictates of the military user. That's where we are today. It is time that we win ourselves over from the oppressors. And that's what Madibu started on June 11th for the June 12th of this year. We wrote an open letter to President Buwari talking about the atrocities that he has committed since he got into office. We also know that you wrote a letter in June of 2021 to Nadeko, and you sent an SOS to the United Nations over President Buwari's government. But I don't know what reactions that the United Nations would bring to us. They would only continue to advocate. But I'd just like to take your mind back to October of 2020. That was the last time Nigerians who seemed fed up emptied into these streets. And you can see that we're still going back and forth on what happened at the climax of that protest, which was not just about ending police brutality, but it was also asking for good governance. So when you say Nigerians should no longer vote, they should ask for or get some action done, you have seen how every time Nigerians want to protest or Nigerians stand up against something, the full might of security and the government is seen at those spots. You must fight for it. Every day you stop fighting for your rights. That day, your presence will continue to do you better harm. You must be ready to face the oppressor squad that you are fed up with conducts. That is why nations and nations are great. But if you are just lamenting, every day lamenting, lamentation will not solve the problem and it's not happening. Your presence will be happy that you are lamenting. I might not be as old as you, but of course I am informed just as you asked me how old I am. But I'm going to still again tell you that there are people who were killed at the lekkito. We're not going too far just last year because they came out, in your words, to continue to press home their demands. As we speak today, where are the people who are supposed to support, to continue to, who's going to stay if they see bullets flying over their heads? Who's going to let their child or which man or woman is going to come out? Let's be realistic since we're saying let's be realistic. How many Nigerians are going to stay the course? We've seen occupy Nigerians, we've seen all of these things. How many Nigerians are willing to come out and press home their demands? Stop preaching, stop preaching this woman to the people like us. I thank you that anyone who wants to get secure his rights must be ready to die for it if that is what it costs. There are times in the life of any nation when people should be ready to be murdered for the advancement of that community. When there is nothing like that, when nobody is ready to take the bullets, to sleep in police, and you want to be given to you by the oppressor, then you better not go home and sleep. Just surrender. Interesting. So I'm also expecting that we will see more people from Nadeco occupying the streets or occupying national assemblies. You will see, I'm 75 today, last month by the grace of God. I've spent the last 75 years doing the same thing. I've never been like that. So you cannot be, you are not the one to be asking Nadeco to come. Our affiliates are already busy doing something. Oh, I think we lost that connection, unfortunately. Mr. Puadoku, are you still there? Let's just wrap this up. Are you still there? Yes, I'm there. Okay, quickly. So in closing, for every Nigerian who's listening to you now, finally, as we leave, because we're almost out of time, you're saying Nadeco has been doing this. Like I said before, you went off, that connection was off. I know that in June of 2021, Nadeco sent an SOS to the UN over President Bohair's government. And of course, there have been so many other memos that have been going out of the country complaining about the government or the system of governance in Nigeria. But as we speak, we see a lot of people leaving Nigeria with this brain drain. We're seeing our doctors fleeing. There are lots of people who are running away from this country. And you're saying that if we're not ready to take bullets and sleep in police stations, then the times may never change for us. And the country will continue to go in the direction that it is going. What's the motivation that the average Nigerian who's watching you should take home from this conversation? They will be ready to take their destiny into their hands. You have to organize and mobilize to resist oppressors. If you are not ready to do that, then surrender. All right. We want to say thank you. Sir Ayo Kwaadokun is of Nadeco and he's been our guest tonight. Thank you very much for joining us and apologies for the connection issues. All right. Thank you very much. Well, we want to thank you all for being part of the conversation tonight. Unfortunately, we do not have more time to continue talking. Well, I'm Marianne and we'll see you tomorrow. Again, as the week is wrapping up, we will bring you a roundup of all our conversations so far. Good evening.