 Back in the city, I love New York City. I also love Balmore and I'm happy with what they're doing. I've been critical of the Ravens and I like that we are finally feeling good with Odell, Beckham Jr. inking a deal. Was it an overpay? Maybe, do I care? Not really. This is huge and a big upgrade to Costa. We see you, Lamar, though, and that part of it is the bigger story here. We will dig in and we are a few weeks from the NFL draft baby. PFF's Mike Renner joins us to break down all the prospects, the ins and outs we need to know. Plus, we've checkin' in with the best from the beat. With the Seahawks, the Panthers, and the Raiders packed one for you on a Monday. Yes, Monday, let's go. Welcome to Epp and Addams. Mike Renner making an appearance on the show. We love to see him. We're gonna talk about Odell Beckham Jr. Of course, Conrad Company joining me. I was just told that you're headed to Vegas, so I'm doubt I'll ever see you again after this week. You might not. You don't seem like a boy I would trust, loose in Vegas. I mean, you can see me right now just in live. You know, this is what it's gonna be like for the next four days for me once I get to Vegas, so yeah, we're about to have a lot of fun. Here's my question. Should we, as a show, just broadcast from live? Now, you're going to Vegas. Live, of course, is in Miami. Dave Grubman, can we maybe set up a booth, an operation, because you have these people who are at live that are seeing Alan Lazzard, and they're like, let me become like 15 minutes of fame, upload this. And yesterday, I don't know if we can queue it up, so Rushi and Richard are back there in the control room. We got this footage of Lamar Jackson and Odell Beckham Jr. both in Miami for whatever reason, lots of players train there, lots of them hang out there. And here they are with the live sign, the Grubman marketing continues. By the way, if we can just keep playing this on a loop, could people look like they're having less fun? Less fun, right? It says, welcome Lamar and OBJ. Look at them. I didn't know you could even smoke in the club. You got Lamar, you got OBJ. There's a guy smoking in the club and nobody is having any fun. I mean, Odell's sort of singing and dancing. It kind of looks like he's blowing the smoke away from him because it looks like it could be coming from him, but it's not. It's the kind of, they don't look like they're having that much fun, huh? I mean, listen, if I just signed for $18 million, I'd have a little bit more fun, but maybe that's what Lamar's waiting for, his contract to get done, and then he can have the fund. Here's the bottle service girls. That'll be a $10,000 tip, please. And we'll get it, and Odell Beckham will be paying for it, not Lamar Jackson. Who thinks picking up that tab? They're probably still walking out of live right here. 11 a.m. on the East Coast. They're going to get their breakfast down there in Miami, and Odell Beckham Jr. will be paying and picking up that tab, because he sits out all of last year. He decides to ink the deal with the Ravens. People are saying, oh, he chose to go to Baltimore over the Jetsos, of course, the reported two teams interested, and we love to see it, but he didn't choose to go there because he's picking Lamar over Aaron Rodgers or he's picking the city of Baltimore or the Super Bowl chances. They waved $18 million in front of him, and it was announced adorably in true K-Adams love fashion, his son Zaden wearing Lamar Jackson's number eight jersey with just the caption flock. This was how they announced the news. So here's the deal. It's a one year situation worth up to 18 million, and here's the details, and then we can talk about how you cannot love it. There's a signing bonus north of $13 million, $1.15 million base salary, $3 million in reachable incentive. I'd like to know what those are. I'm sure a lot of them have to do with availability of him being on the field with what excellent job by Odell. Excellent job by him saying, I don't want four million, that's too low. I don't want 20, that's too much. And banking, what could be an $18 million one year situation is really beautiful. And I've said on the show multiple times, I love the Ravens, I want to love the Ravens, I love the people of Baltimore, one of the most fervent and best fan bases. I want Lamar to get paid, but what are you doing? And it's not just this year, it's not just on this show, I set it back on good morning football all the time, D'Costa getting a lot of criticism, and him responding to that criticism by saying we're gonna keep going, we're gonna keep hitting on receivers, even though he had his own receivers, like Rashad Bateman being critical right back, in saying you have to surround us with better talent. That's what Lamar needs. Lamar is a quarterback in Baltimore who's only 26, who's already an MVP. And I asked the question last week, what if he's even better than this? What if he can take his game to a whole other level? Romans gone, Monkens in there, and Odell objectively is a huge upgrade. You bring in Aguilar, he's got some drop issues, consistency issues, and of course you have the health, which will be a concern really with this whole team, offense, defense, and Odell Beckham Jr., who I believe has played eight seasons in the NFL and has stayed healthy and has played in 16 games, now at 17 games of course, but 16 games just twice. But he's bringing Super Bowl pedigree, he's bringing work ethic to this team. Lamar is excited about it, you're seeing it at the club, you're seeing screenshots of them as they FaceTimed each other to the news. It was reported that there were conversations that they had had through the off season about let's win a Super Bowl, let's win a championship here. And now the pressure is on because it's get Lamar the support, this is a big swing and they're not done, they've only got five picks in the draft, we'll discuss that with Mike Runner, I still get a set for that, but don't also underestimate the influence that the new offensive coordinator, Todd Monkin, had on this happening and the pressure on him now to get it done, let's not forget, he was the OC back in Cleveland in 2019, that's the last time we saw Beckham put up over a thousand yards, and we went back and we found what Monkin said about the Super Bowl winning wide receiver back at his introductory press conference, this is in February, Monkin taking over things for the Ravens. He's like every skilled player, he's no different, I don't know why everybody gets pissed off, like he wants the ball, well, really? Like I don't know where I've been, where a great player didn't want the ball, I didn't know where a basketball player didn't want shots or a baseball player didn't want to get bats, that's what they want, they want opportunities to showcase their ability, I think it's awesome. I mean, Conrad, get in here, the Ravens didn't have a single wide receiver with over 500 yards last season, they don't bring back to Marcus Robinson, they bring in Aguilar, okay? So now what you're seeing is a guy who's put up much more than that, who's hopefully healthy, though they're gonna have to account for that. And if he does nothing else but open up the offense more for Mark Andrews, who should ball out, he's one of the best tight ends in the National Football League, that might be enough, and it's certainly, yes, an overpay, it's a lot of money, it's 18, potentially $18 million, it's a $13 million signing bonus. That's fine, you can do that when it can ensure you as the Ravens with what you want, you wanna show Lamar Jackson is there in some sort of stalemate, I mean, Lamar could sign today, Lamar could sign this week, Lamar might wait till July to figure this out, but it's a little, we wanna, you know, I'm not gonna marry you, but let's get a dog together, you know? Totally. We're not coming to terms, but I do care about you, like here's a room in my house, here's a little, like I'll give you the key to my house, or whatever, you know, those little things that sort of make it softer to deal with, because the truth is, the leverage of Lamar Jackson has right now is just not showing up. I'm not gonna play, I'm not gonna play on this tag, but Odell Beckham Jr., maybe as we're seeing, he's excited about it, maybe it gives me, as a Ravens fan, some confidence that at least for 2023, everything might be okay. And that's worth the money, what do you think, Conrad? No, I think you're totally correct, there's only one other name out there that I think you could have brought to Baltimore that could have kind of sufficed to make Lamar feel a little bit better about the situation coming back, and that would have been Deandre Hopkins, right? Which is still out there, could you imagine, even if they brought him in too as well, but OBJ, I don't think it was an overpay in my opinion because he was the top rated guy on the board, and that's the kind of guy you needed to bring in, to bring Lamar back in, like you said, hey, that puppy you always wanted, it's at home now. We have something for you, we have more weapons. Yeah. I would feel better about it, I would feel better about it from a perspective of, there's a lot of going on on Twitter, like there's no question that Lamar is signing his deal, that it's done, Odell isn't coming there unless he knows that, well like, if it was a four million dollar deal, then I'd feel good about that. But the fact is, the deaths weren't coming near, I mean, the market value of this, what was it, Al-Nazar got the 11 mil, that was it, the market, he blew it out of the water, so I don't know that Odell cares who his quarterback is, when you gave that kind of money in front of him, obviously they want it to happen, they are gonna juice each other up to go try to win a Super Bowl, I don't think they can be done though because of some of the durability issues. So yes, you've got Mark Andrews there, you've got Odell Beckham, and you've got Nelson Aguilar, you've got Rashad Bateman who's also hopefully healthy. On paper though, I wanna see them keep going, right? They've got these four or five picks and they love their running back and they can say that they love J.K. Dobbins and this entire thing, but like, Zay Flowers is out there, you and I talked in the morning call, Jordan Addison, we're gonna talk to Mike Runner about this, because I still think maybe it's not a 22 and it'll be interesting to see like, do they try to trade down if they're not in love with somebody there because they want more picks and that's, you know, we're all hearing about how this is a thing to be won this year in the mid rounds anyway, it'll be interesting to see them continue to hopefully bolster the offense and bring in these wide receivers, but for now, DeCosta, excellent work, you brought in the biggest fish that was out there, you're gonna open up the offense, Todd Monking clearly knows and has an affinity for and wants to support Odell in any way that he can, so at least I feel better about the offense and I feel better about Lamar this morning, eating pancakes at some diner after being at live all night, looking like he's not having any fun and thinking about this year, maybe even in the vacuum and maybe it's not fair and I'm sure they're gonna continue to try to work something out between the two sides and hopefully that gets done, but things are feeling at least a little bit better this morning, all right, and shout out to, you know, live, live just all over the NFL racket this year, all right, let's talk about other, oh, they wanna go to break, all right, we're gonna wrap to break, we got lots to get to on the show, we got Mike Renner on the program, we gotta get to Joe Burrow being demonstrative, that was really weird and the Masters, Spieth didn't win, but what a show in Augusta, we'll break it down after this. We're gonna talk some Panthers here, some Seahawks, Raiders as well, we got the best of the beat, we got a reporter rip for you here on Up In Adams and you are taking a look at round one of the NFL Draft, Panthers won a quarterback, who's it gonna be? Let's head out to Carolina, welcoming in beat writer and contributor on Fox Sports Radio 1340, Sheena Quick joining us here, Sheena, good morning to you, Tepper. Morning. It's a sixth year, I can't even believe that, good morning. Sixth year as an owner, he's always been aggressive, he's been really aggressive this year, trading up to number one to draft their franchise quarterback. Sheena, maybe we got a bit of a hint at Ohio State's pro day a couple of weeks ago, this exchange, which I'm sure you've seen a million times, it's CJ Stroud and Josh McCown, take a look everybody. Appreciate it. See ya, we'll find a quarter, we'll find a quarter. It's over here, come on. Okay, I got to do a little show on there, come on, come on, come on, come on. Now we'll take his limit. Sheena, what do you know? Is he the leader in the dog house or dog house, club house? Sorry. Honestly, when it comes to him and Bryce Young, it just depends on who you talk to, but time of the day you talk to them, if they've had their coffee and they're kinda, the pendulum is kinda swinging back and forth between the two of them, basically, whichever way the wind blows, Bryce will be in Charlotte on Tuesday for his top 30, so. Okay, well, Reich, of course, has historically tried to develop quarterbacks, he was a great quarterback in his own right. You know, he wants to take probably whoever's coming in at number one and start from day one with, sorry, I'm completely lost in what we're doing here, but with Reich and time for development with a quarterback, do you think it's somebody that they're gonna go towards that's more game ready and how much more important is that to Reich than having somebody like Richardson who would be raw to develop? I think Richardson should go by number one, by the way, Gina. I mean, look, I am definitely an Anthony Richardson fan. I pounded the table for Anthony Richardson. If the Panthers weren't picking at one, let's say they were only able to get to three, I could definitely see Anthony Richardson in Charlotte, but with everything that they gave up to get to one, and Frank Reich trying to kinda outrun that bad quarterback history from Indianapolis and the Panthers trying to find some type of stability since Cam Newton, I just don't think they can afford to gamble right there. Amazing prospect, super high ceiling, you don't know what he's gonna do with the coaching staff, like the one that Carolina has assembled. He arguably didn't really have any stability at UF, didn't have a lot of weapons at UF, all of that would be different in Carolina, but I think time is of the essence and that's the only thing that keeps Anthony Richardson from possibly being number one. It's true, but it would be hard for me. Yeah, if I had the number one pick, I'm going talent, I'm going raw ability over, and like, it's obviously not the thing I just can do, I'm going Lamborghini, that's exactly what I love. You're going Lamborghini. It's true, who wants a Buick or a Volvo? Like, we don't, we're good, Bryce, yeah, we love you, we're kidding, outside of quarterback, there's some holes to fill on this team. What are you looking at as the biggest position needs? I'm looking at quarterback simply because that basically, that secondary is what was the glaring reason that kept them out of the postseason. I know that the NFC staff was literally in the pits of hell last year, but the Panthers really still kind of had, they had a chance at the postseason for the first time since we're like 2017-ish, yeah, 2017, and you know, Tom Brady and Mike Evans went bombs over Baghdad and that depleted secondary, everybody was hurt, you had both of your starters from the beginning of the season out with injuries, so I think that they'll try to insulate that position a little bit more, and I'm looking at linebackers also, they're going to a three-four. There we go, I mean, you're bringing it, you really are on this Monday morning. When can we hear you on Fox Sports Radio? It's 1340 there in Carolina. Well, I mostly write for the website there, but I do podcasts, we have a quick blitz podcast that we do every week during the season, we also hold like a little Twitter space during halftime of the game there, it gets a little bit spicy in there, we do the spaces intermittently now in the off-season because there's so much going on here and fans love weighing in and telling us what they think and they hold no punches like they go bombs away, but I'm also on Queen City News, I am the guest analyst on there weekly, so you guys can catch me on there and I'm always talking trash on Twitter, always talking trash on Twitter, so you can find me on there. Sheena Quick, am I, I'm a Bears fan, so y'all did this trade with my hometown team. I'm so excited to have stolen DJ Moore from you, are you sad that he is gone because he's one of my favorites and he never gets the love. He never gets the love, he never gets the love, hopefully that changes for him and Justin Fields, guys needed a wide receiver one, I felt like Carolina was really the only team, quarterback needy team in the top 10 that could give you guys that, y'all went and got it, the Panthers didn't want a part with it, but you guys went and got it, that is a huge, huge loss for the Panthers. They're gonna try to find some type of way to replace that productivity with bringing in Adam Thielen, DJ Chard, Terris Marshall Jr. is one to watch out for, but DJ Moore is definitely going to be missed, like for sure, that was the casualty, more so than the picks, DJ Moore was the real casualty in that trade. And a leader, a quiet leader, so he'll be great with Justin Fields, he just kept putting a thousand yard seasons, he had five different guys thrown in the ball, every week it was unbelievable. But you could have thrown him the ball, he's a good. You could have been out there throwing DJ Moore the ball, DJ Moore was going to get his yards, regardless of who was understanding, and that's something that you, I mean, we haven't really seen that in Carolina since Smitty. No, it's very true. Oh, Smitty, not talking about talking trash, there you go, you need to have him on your podcast, you are a contributor on Fox Sports Radio, go read everything over with Sheena Quick, covering the Panthers. Good luck, you gotta get a quarterback and you gotta get a corner, which is something that I just learned was a need. We've got another reporter joining us right now, co-host of The Bump, of Bump and Stacey, sorry, on 710 Seattle Sports Network. Stacey, Joe, good to see you. Hi, good to see you. Okay, so it's Monday, we've got all this crazy Lamarnus going on, but we also wanna talk about all of the teams that are interesting in the draft. So I'm listening to the Ringer podcast last week and they did like choices of the most intriguing teams in the draft, everybody of course would say Carolina, or they would say, you know, Baltimore, what are they gonna do ahead of this Lamarn, Odell News, but a lot of the guys on the Ringer podcast were saying, it's Seattle, it is Seattle, and so it's going on there. So you got Schneider, you got Carroll, they've been loving this off season, they've got a top five pick in the draft, they're keeping it together. Are they having fun in this draft process and what do we need to know? Oh, absolutely, right? Like the way we've been talking about it on air is like when you get your first job and you go to the mall and you're like, I can buy anything, this, oh my God, like $20, the mall is my oyster, right? This is when you're a teenager, obviously. So for the first time ever, I mean, this is the highest pick under Pete and John, ever, ever, ever at number five, it's the highest pick the organization has had since 2009 when they took Aaron Curry, that pick didn't work out. However, we know that there have been many treasures found for many organizations this high and they have been lamenting not being able to choose this high for so long. So the reason that I absolutely have to agree with these guys, I know I'm a little biased being in Seattle, but they need to find their quarterback of the future. It's the question they haven't answered since the Russell Wilson trade. Tradingway Russell Wilson, a lot of people thought that they would be four or five, six wins. They end up going to the playoffs, but that big question, who's next? Have they answered it with Gino? I think in the short term, yeah, I mean Gino's a pro bowler, 30 touchdowns last year, only quarterback in the ANSI to do so. So they are set heading into this year. Are they set in 2025, 26, 27? I don't know. I don't know that Gino is the answer at turning 33 years old. So quarterback is a very real possibility. They've had visits with all the top four prospects of their pro days in person and have not ruled it out. And that includes in interviews with our station where they've come on being asked about it and they mean it like John Schneider has a show or he's like, no, we really are. We're out here visiting with these guys. Like it is, these guys don't grow on trees. And then meanwhile, the other top pick that would fit with them, Jalen Carter, maybe the most controversial name heading into the class. I mean, you look at the top two needs and you've got, is it Anthony Richardson? Is it Jalen Carter? I can't think of a more fascinating team in the top five. But I mean, Anthony Richardson just sort of seems like a peak hero guy, right? Like. Yes, absolutely. Oh yeah. He loves, now he has said his dream quarterback is, you know, maybe more of almost like a Gino. I think that he's always really loved athleticism though. Like you've heard him talk about his favorite players and they're always guys like Brandy Moss, like guys that Lawrence Taylor, guys that are just so like physical freaks, athletically gifted can do anything. And, and they've never had a shot at a guy like Richardson ever. I think they're absolutely intrigued by that. Absolutely intrigued by what he could do in a Pete Carroll offense, especially with Ken Walker, with the receiving weapons they have. They need to find another receiver. I mean, it is a, it's an amazing fit for them. I kind of want them to do it just for the intrigue of it, but they need defensive help too. Well, we're just talking to Sheena about what the Panthers are going to do at number one. They don't have the luxury of developing a quarterback. And that's with everyone. You know, even Chris Collinsworth came on my show. That's a guy from his, the school he went to college talking about developing and letting him sit, letting him, you know, marinate on all the things in the NFL. That is a perfect fit for Anthony Richardson to have that from Gino. Gino has been through so much adversity and then to be able to learn from Pete Carroll. Like there would be no, no scarier thing in the NFL four years from now than Anthony Richardson given that opportunity. And that would be amazing. I want to ask you about Bobby Wagner. He talked about Pete Carroll loving athletic eyes that could wreck shop. It was a very weird departure to see Bobby go to a division rival and then sort of, I mean, he one of his best games I can remember against Seattle. There was a lot of emotion there. I was a little surprised, but I am happy that they're reunited. What is Pete Carroll expecting? What are you expecting from Bobby Wagner future Hall of Famer back with the org? It's a good question. So the Rams didn't have a good year last year, as you know, okay. Bobby Wagner did. I mean, you highlighted those two games he had, which were two of his better games, including a multi-interception game, I think against Seattle. Pete Carroll would probably say that one pick didn't count, but Bobby got it. So I think that he's bringing them a much needed hold that he's feeling. I mean, inside linebacker, they lost Jordan Brooks to a tourney ACL late in the season. I would not expect him to be ready for the first couple of weeks of the season. They lost their other inside linebacker, Cody Barton, the free agency. All eyes outside of Seattle were focused on, do they take a quarterback? Do they take a defense deployment? Which are their two greatest needs? They had no starting in side linebackers heading into the season. And normally I would look at a reunion with a player coming back and think, is this just a sentimental kind of reunion that means nothing? But Bobby Wagner, were he on this team last year? Would still be, I think, second or third in tackle, second or third in sacks or third in sacks, I believe. So he could still really contribute. I mean, this is a team that could use him. He's got experience now in a three, four base defense with LA, which is what Seattle switched to last year. I actually think it's a fit that makes a lot of sense. Is there a bigger thing to, not to be like a cute storyline, but even I was with Ernest Jones last week of Rams fame and a Super Bowl champion who won as a rookie over the Bengals. And he was talking to me about Bobby Wagner, how much he's imparted on him, how much knowledge, how he's taught him to be a leader now because he has to be a young leader. And I hear so many stories about how that's almost equal when it comes to what a Bobby Wagner brings to the organization. And this term is back to the organization. Yes, absolutely. It's a great point because that's exactly. So I covered Bobby Wagner since 2015. So not necessarily his first year, but that was my first year covering. And he always, always, always, every reporter's favorite player. I mean, just a really nice guy, but also every player's favorite player like really respected. And everything that you hear about him is true. Like that really is how he is in the locker room. Guys love him. And I think that the one kind of benefit that he has is coming into a team where we thought Jordan Brooks would be the future there at Inside Linebacker, but Jordan Brooks isn't competing with leadership right now. He's healing, he's rehabbing. You know, this isn't Bobby coming in saying, I'm taking my team back. This is Bobby coming in with a defense that's getting much younger saying, hey, I've been a leader, Jordan, until you're ready, I'll fill in and help out. And it is, it's a perfect situation. Yeah, I just hope that my next guest here, but the Raiders, they don't jump from seven to three, which is what I'm hearing that they might do. And then they take Anthony Richardson or take one of the quarterbacks that you need to develop behind one of the best storylines in the NFL in the last five years. And that is Gino Smith. So we appreciate you, Stacey, Joe Ross. You know everything about the Seahawks. And I thank you for taking the time here that early in the morning. I mean, who looks that good in the morning? What is this? This is not fair. And you guys can check out her stuff over there. And then she gets Bobby Wagner to hang out with for the rest of his career, probably, which is pretty fun. Yeah, let's bring in the host of Lockdown Raiders and on-air personality for LB Sports Network as well, and covers everything Raiders and Vegas. Your boy Q, hello. Hey, what's happening? How you doing? Happy belated birthday. It's good to see you. Thank you. Thank you. Still recovering from that. Now listen, are y'all jumping? Are y'all jumping up and taking a quarterback? What's going on? Well, I'll tell you, it depends. It depends on who's actually there at number three. And this is a discussion we've had quite a bit. And it's really coming down to, from everything I've heard, if CJ Stroud or Bryce Young happens to be there at number three, which I don't think is going to happen, for those two guys is available at number three, I think there's a real possibility that the Raiders go make a move for them. Outside of him or Stroud and Young, I don't think that they will because there's so many other holes that they have to fill, mainly on the defensive side of things. Okay, but when you bring in Jimmy G, you're bringing in inherent injury risk. It's just true. You look at the games played, you need to have a better backup plan, especially with Devontae Adams and a good defense and a competitive division. You know these things. So they did tell me if I'm wrong. We'll let this was in the building. And then Anthony Richardson, just there over the weekend, the reviews, I'm hearing very positive for Richardson. If they were to trade up, who would you like them to get? That's a great question. We've gone back and forth so many times. And it's so funny because my brain, my smart football brain that I like to think that I have tells me build up the defense, build up the defense, build up the defense. Yes, Jimmy G is an injury risk. But at the same time, Anthony Richardson is on my shoulder saying, Q, I'm the best dynamic quarterback in this draft. Draft me, draft me, draft me. So I'm very torn on the situation, but I do think that the defense is so needed. I really do. And I think that there's an opportunity for the Raiders to really turn this thing around. They have 12 draft picks going into this draft. So I think Dave Ziegler, the GM has a lot of opportunity to really get this thing turned around and give Max Crosby some help. And look, if one of those quarterbacks falls like Stroud or Young, go get them by all means. If not, then they'll have some decisions to make. But my gut feeling tells me that they're going to go with defense at number seven. And what kind of defense? Either in that cornerback, Weatherspoon? Man, I like Weatherspoon a lot. I always say, K, the DBs win games. I like Weatherspoon. I like Gonzalez, but they need line help too. They need an interior guy to defend the tackle. They need edge rusher. I mean, that's the beautiful thing about where the Raiders are sitting. And I guess having as many holes as they have, they really can't go in a bad direction, right? If they trade up to go get the quarterback of the future that they really believe in, great. If they start building up that defense even better, right? So I think that Weatherspoon would be the pick if Tyree Wilson is already gone. I don't think that Jalen Carter is a guy that they're looking at just for multiple reasons. But they could, you know? I mean, there's so many different directions that they go. If it was me right now, I'd probably pencil in Weatherspoon. I just think he's what Patrick Graham wants to do defensively. That would be the guy that I penciled in at number seven. They also could trade back a few picks and still get a really good player on defense because this draft is really loaded with defensive players. And get more picks. They got, I mean, Baltimore was looking at them with their five measly picks. And you have a how many and you might even trade back. But everyone's saying it's not that, you don't want to be in the, being in the first round isn't cool. You don't want to be the first person to show up to the party. You don't want to be in the first round. Moving to the second round, moving to the third round. That's where it's at, at least for this season. That's Devin Witherspoon. You're talking about the Illinois product. We'll ask Mike Renner of PFF about him and Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon will ask him as he is sizing up numbers wise and looking at what they can do and how they can impact these different teams. Are you a Jimmy G guy? I can't tell, because you got Anthony Richardson's on your shoulders telling you to draft him. And we're talking like move back in the draft. Don't say, are you a bonafide Jimmy G believer? No, no, no. I believe that he's going to get injured, right? And that's been my biggest fear. I think he's a good guy. I think he's a good quarterback. You know, he knows Josh McDaniels really well. He knows what Josh McDaniels is going to want to do. Every player that's come in that they signed in free agency, all who said how much they're excited to play with Jimmy G. But hey, I mean, my biggest fear is that he's going to get injured because that's what we see. We see him get injured. So I don't want to close my eyes and act like it doesn't happen, right? That'd be foolish. So I believe that he's a guy that's, that's injury prone. They just signed Brian Hoyer. He's a backup. Okay, that's great. But at some point, you do have to get your quarterback of the future. Is it now or is it later? Yeah, so now or is later is a good question. As for now and later, this off season, I'm going to have to put those, you know, ridiculous rankings together for how I feel like the division is going to shake out. Where am I putting the Raiders? Oh, man, that's a great question. I mean, you've got a, Sean Payton's now with Denver. I think there's still a little ways away. I honestly believe if the Raiders could put things together, I think that they can compete with the Chargers. I think they can. The Chiefs are obviously the best team in the division. There's no doubt about it. But I think that the Raiders will give the Chargers a run for their money. They could compete with them each and every year. Really tough, even when the team doesn't have as much talent. So I think that it should be fair to rank them with the Chargers kind of neck and neck and the Broncos still behind. But they're about a year away. I think that Sean Payton is going to get those, that Bronco team turned around. It's funny you bring up Sean Payton who's got a lot of adversity. Like what is wrong with Russell Wilson? He's got to start there. He's got to start with, does he get along with Russell Wilson? He's a brash guy. He's a real, Russell is not that. How is that going to work? The Hackett experience didn't work really well. So when you're talking about where to put these Raiders, I look right at Josh McDaniels. Because to me, and you brought up the coach for the Broncos, your coach is paramount in this. I don't think people are giving enough credit to how important it is. And he's a hard-ass Josh McDaniels. He likes what he likes. He wants it how he wants it. He got what he wanted. Jimmy G is his boy. He knows Jimmy G. He knows how he operates. He knows just that alone, just that they get along and that that should be gravy for this season. I think people aren't talking about enough. I agree with you. And getting to know Josh over the past year, I mean, he is a guy that like you mentioned, is a hard-ass. He's a guy who wants it his way as far as coaching. I think he's a really great guy in the hallways as far as personality. But when it comes to coaching and you'll hear him out there at training camp, he'll be barking at the players. I mean, he wants it his way. And so I think the players that matter, the Max Crosby's, the Devonte Adams, the Alpha dogs on the teams, that the fact that they appreciate him and embrace him, I think that that goes a long way. And then of course they brought in a lot of players over the course of the off-season that have Patriot ties like a Jacobi Myers, Jimmy G, like you mentioned, they know what's expected and they chose to come play for Josh McDaniels. So I think that goes a long way as well. I'm just excited to see how they put this all together. They have their guys in place, K. It's no longer, well, this is the team you inherited. Now it's, okay, these are your guys and the draft picks are going to be your guys. So now you are really going to be tasked with having to turn this team around because six wins is not going to cut it. Jimmy G to Devonte Adams will be a thing of beauty. All the headlines this morning about Lamar to Odell, but that I can't wait to see what that looks like with that creativity out of that coach that wears a visor, who is a hard ass. We appreciate you, your boy Q covering everything for the Raiders and Las Vegas Sports for LV Network. After this, we're going to ask him about the Zay flowers. Are they about, oh, we're even done. Are they just saying, all right, here's 18 million. Are we going to still go for a Jordan Addison? We've got PFF Mike Renner on next. 2023 NFL Draft right around the corner, just a few weeks away. I think our show might be going there. Actually, I don't quite know because we've got some decisions to make about that, but stay tuned. I do know that we're going to the Derby. I'm almost certain about that. As far as the draft, what our situation is, trying to get good guests. If so, we will go to Kansas City. I will enjoy the fine fair and barbecue of the land. Maybe make the one and a half hour drive to Willie's Pub and Pool in Columbia, Missouri and go visit my old stomping grounds, grab some three ML Rancho Mexican food. All while thinking about Mike Renner. That's right, because he's the guy you got to bring in when you want to talk draft prospects. He is a friend more than a friend. He is family, PFF. You do the best work there. And a wild morning here at this Odell and Baltimore stuff, what do you make of it? I was wild, truly wild. No one expected that much money for a guy who didn't play last year. I thought it was all going to be the sort of not likely to be earned, what is it called, the incentives for him, but it was just all guaranteed a lot of that contract. So they're obviously trying to court Lamar in a big, big way here. 13 something, signing bonus. They're at the club together last night. And then I think about Odell and I say yes. And there's, it's amazing. He's got pedigree, the work ethic. We know his talent, a huge upgrade on their receiving group. But I don't want them to be done. And Dacosta gets a lot of criticism for how he handles and drafts and deals with wide receivers on his team. They're sitting there at 22. The first round's kind of meh. So I'm thinking like, do they trade down and get value? And maybe potentially more picks. They only have five in this year's draft. Either way, I need them to go all in on offense here. Is there a fit that you like there at 22? Or later, I'm talking the Jordan Addison. They, Flowers might be good for Todd Monkin and company. What are you thinking for the Ravens in this draft now? The guy that I like the most for the Ravens, just for them specifically is Quentin Johnson, the TCU wide receiver, because he's something they really don't have. You know, they have smaller, faster guy in Devon DuVernay. They have kind of a guy like Jordan Addison, Rashad Bateman, but they don't have the big wing span guy who can get vertical and make, you know, kind of contest the catches over the middle of the field. And that's Quentin Johnson, really the best big wide receiver in this draft class. So if they do sit at 22, I think he's going to be available there. And to me, that's the best real fit in terms of stylistically what they don't have. Yeah, and I think given health concerns, even with Rashad Bateman, who hopefully is healthy, with Odell, who I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up missing just a couple of games at the 17 game season, that would be a nice guy to be able to come in, bolster and open things up. I mean, they're loaded on, they're loaded on paper. They really are, they really are. They got to get, you know, Lamar to play this year. I think this was a huge step in doing that. But you guys over at PFF, what a team, amazing tools. Everybody wants to do mock drafts or that availability for you to go in there and have fun. But this is just, now that you guys do this, it's all year round with the best information. And the big board for the draft has over 400 prospects, 400 dudes you've sized up from every angle possible to you. What is the biggest storyline heading into the draft? And also I'd love to know what do you think the deepest position group is? The biggest storyline, it's the same every year, truthfully, except for maybe last year when it was a bad quarterback class, but it's just where they're going to go. Well, when the Panthers trade up to number one and still haven't tipped their hand of who they want, and maybe still are debating who they're going to draft, that always adds a layer of intrigue because, because I think if Bryce Young goes one, you know, everyone says CJ Stroud's second best quarterback in this draft, but he has the same agent as Deshaun Watts. I don't think the Texans are going to want to deal with that whole situation yet again. And so they may pass on a quarterback then. And if so, if Bryce Young goes one, this could have a domino effect that really throws a wrench into what everyone thinks is going to be QBQB, and then the draft starts at three, it may be vastly different than that. And the deepest position group in this draft to also add some intrigue is the running back position. And I think it's going to be interesting to see how the NFL really values that position at the NFL level nowadays, because I think it's kind of coming back in terms of value that the guys kind of at the top of this class are more valuable than they were in recent years because so many teams are playing too high safety. So many teams are making you run the football. So I think we're going to see a little bit of a swing back in terms of run heaviness. And so you may see some running backs go a little bit earlier than maybe everyone expected. I love that value for the running backs, just as for the RB position, we'd love to see it. So let's say it's Bryce Young, right? Bryce Young to Carolina at number one. And everyone pretty much says it's him and he's got the poise and the ability to go out there and make a difference. They want all of that. Is he that much better than everybody else? How do you guys have him graded out? How far is a separation to Stroud and company? I think he is. In terms of my pure draft grade, it's not really close. He's closer to the likes of Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence, purely from a non-feel perspective. And now the height is really the only thing. The frame is really the only thing. And it truly doesn't bother me with him playing the game of football because he's worked the middle of the field better than anyone else in this draft class has. And that's kind of what you worry about with those short quarterbacks is limiting their field vision. No, he has the best field vision in this draft class. But it just worries me about injury. It's just, will he be available? As you mentioned, the 17 game season now, will he be available after 17 games and then three more playoff games to get you all the way to the Super Bowl? That's the big question. But on field performance wise, like he is to me, head and shoulders above the rest of this class. So if he could lie about it, like guys do on dating websites and say he's six foot or six foot one, there would be no issue. He'd be number one way ahead of everybody else. We don't like picking these young kids apart, but if we were to, outside of height, what would be something that he has to work on before it gets to the bigs? I think he definitely needs to work on avoiding hits at this point. If you watch him on tape, he cannot slide. That's gonna be a question, Mark. Year one is how much, how many hits is he taking? Cause he always dives head first. And when you dive head first, you don't get the same protections when you go feet first. And so he may take some shots in that regard. I think he has a tendency to wanna hold on to the ball, to wanna extend place to the bitter end. And so obviously you're talking about frame concerns, hits concerns, and you saw him miss a game this past season. That's gonna be worrisome. I mean, one Max Crosby sitting on him situation would make me very nervous if he was the face and future of my franchise. But speaking of quarterbacks, you mentioned Stroud as the second guy. Not according to you guys, right? Your big board has the Kentucky kid, Will Levis, as the second highest quarterback behind Bryce Young, the short king. Why is he higher than the Strouds and the Richardson's? I think he's more NFL ready in the ways I wanna see a quarterback be NFL ready. And that he handles pressure very well and pretty much does not phase him the way it does Stroud, the way it does Richardson. And even to a degree, the way it does Bryce Young. Like he is willing to stand in there, make throws, while he is getting crushed. He had more yards under pressure than any of the other top quarterbacks in this draft class. Only Max Duggan had more in the FBS last season. And they didn't even pass a lot of Kentucky. That just shows you one, how much pressure he was under and that his job might be easier. He may be under less pressure and likely will be once he gets to the NFL. And that he's so tough and so adept at it that he can still thrive and survive. I just think the town he's surrounded with compared to the town other guys are surrounded with, no one was gonna look good in that Kentucky offense this past year. You go back to the Cape, the year prior, it was high end, it was NFL, it was a quarterback that you would have drafted number one overall. I think that's the guy you're gonna get once you get to the league. Well, Renner, of course he takes pressure and hits and stuff back. He's six, three, two, 31. Like that's, and that's just a Wikipedia. I don't know what he really is. He's bigger than the other guys. He's also jacked. Have you seen these photos that were released? This, I mean, you've got to see this at home. Unfortunately I have. Wherever you have him, wherever you have him mocked. Where do you have him go in the Rams? I have him go into the Rams in most recent mock because of the Liam Cohen connection who obviously was his OC when he had that big year in 2021, goes to the Rams to be their OC and now goes back to Kentucky this year, but obviously probably spoke glowingly of Levus and his services. And it just kind of makes sense with the Rams timeline, right? I think they are in the middle of the rebuild but they don't want to really fully hit reset. And so with pick 36, if Levus starts to slip, make a play for that guy. Know you have your future quarterback but know you don't have to subject him to a bad offensive line right away. You can build around him then in the future for whenever you do move on from Matthew Stafford. We show those photos which make me wildly uncomfortable. I had not seen them. My producers just told me to pop them up and I don't, you don't need to see them again. When you're doing your stuff, it's what percentage analytics when you're even your mock draft because what you just said there, that's not a tangible number. You're talking about a connection, a human connection that makes sense. You take a very holistic approach to this, right? It's not just numbers, it's not, but it's, is it equal parts fit? Equal parts knowledge, equal parts connective tissue. How do you work it out? I think the evaluation is tape plus numbers. So like my opinion of a player is that but then once you're projecting to the league you have to basically take what you saw on tape because the numbers wise, numbers doesn't give you a good idea of where a guy strengths and weaknesses are and what kind of scheme fit he is. You have to see what you saw on tape and then see what offenses, especially at the quarterback position, what like kind of offenses around the league does this guy make sense for it? And I think you see him really excel off a play action working the middle of the field because he has such good zip at that sort of at that intermediate level that he can hit tight windows that he can attack what are quote unquote NFL windows. And so to me that's, that's what you saw from Matt Stafford in that Rams offense. That's why they won the Super Bowl a couple of years ago and that's obviously what Will Levis can bring to the table. It's well said. Okay, let's get one more just away from the quarterback spot quickly. Tell me who is the Mike Renner like person you would buy a poster of and put on the wall for this 2023 draft look. Who is the player we all need to be looking at? The best player in this draft or an under the radar plans, which one do you want? The one that you think reminds you of Edger and James. I'll go with Bijan Robinson then the Texas running back. He's the best player in this draft. He is to me, the fewest weaknesses. He has a high end tape as well. I mean, you go watch what this guy is capable of at his size, the turning ability and Edger and James was the comp I came up with because, and I usually don't like going, you know, elite hall of famers as the comp for guys. But there was no one who was just a run of the mill, good running back in the NFL that looks anything like Bijan Robinson does. So that's why to me, I think he's gonna go fairly high. I think he's definitely gonna go in the first round. Where is obviously still up for debate, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone like the Falcons at number eight overall pulls the trigger with how much they run the football or the Patriots at 14. Like he is that good that someone's gonna fall in love in draft and high. Bijan Robinson sounds like you're in love with him. The Edger and James comparison is amazing. You did a lot of player comps. Everybody go over to pff.com, check out the pff app. But I loved, you were taught, you compared Enjigba to Edelman, which I found fascinating. So if you want, not a lot of people do player comps. It's a very dicey game. It's a very thin line of giving too much praise too little praise, but you went and did that thing because you have the balls to do it. My runners work over at pff.com. Check out the pff app. We appreciate all the work you do. And I said balls, but it's Monday. So leave me alone. We'll be back after this. We gotta get to Joe Borough.