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We'll dive into the, which sessions they plan to attend, what they're most excited about, and their tips and tricks for a successful KubeCon CloudNativeCon EU. So let's take a moment. I'd like to introduce George and Gefi and Kristoff. Thanks for all being here today. Thanks for having us. Yeah. I'm so happy to be here. Yeah, well, let's get started with kind of, what is your free ritual like KubeCon going into next week? Do you do to get yourself ready to be successful when you get there in person? Whoever wants to take it first? So this is one that actually Bob, myself and George kind of started and Bob and I are holding the torch even though we moved away. We are going to get our haircut and we are going to get straight razor, well, Bob's getting the straight razor shave. I'm just getting all this kind of trimmed up tomorrow. So usually the day before the flight because I leave Saturday. Awesome. Kristoff, what about you? I wasn't aware of that, but I went to have my haircut yesterday. So I think I'm alive. No. You inspired me. You inspired me. Yeah, everyone's getting their hair did before they go. I get my hair did tomorrow also. So we're all going to look fresh and ready to go. Everyone's going to be able to recognize us. It's amazing. George, what about you? Are you getting any grooming? I always do. I always do a workout because the plane ride to Europe is always long and sitting in that chair hurts me. So I always schedule a workout the day before to like get myself smoked to get ready for it. I don't mean to turn this into a workout and physical education podcast, but that's probably the worst time for you to work out. You do not want to do a workout and then sit not moving for eight hours. That actually causes issues. No, I do it the day before because I have sciatica. So I actually have a specific workout that my trainer does for me of squats. And like it kind of puts me together. It's, I know that's a weird ritual. And then the big one is just tons and tons of water the day before just hydrate as much as possible. Yeah. What do you do when you hit the ground? Like when you land, is there anything you do right when you get into a new place? Like for example, for me, I go and I drop everything off at the hotel and then I go find a grocery store and I buy like several liters of water, still water, because we are going to be in Europe. I buy bananas, which is because they don't go bad. And they also help with all the like walking and the cramping of like the legs and stuff. And then like some kind of power bar. So that way, if I don't, I throw those in the backpack and then cough drops because we talk so much on site. So what? Yeah, cough drops. So I'm more bring these, but I bring a pack of chapsticks like a five pack with me on every conference that I go. And then two pairs of shoes. I noticed in Chicago, I was getting my feet were hurting. So I'm going to start rotating in two pairs of shoes every day and maybe keep a set at the booth or something like that. I know that sounds a little... No, you got to do what you got to do. What you got to do. I think we're on our feet. We're on our feet pretty much. It's not an eight hour day. KubeCon is like a 14 hour day for me, back to back. So I usually get there, hydrate showers quick as possible. And then I kind of see who's around because I try to go to rejects. I'm going to try to go to reject this time and see who's around and kind of start to mingle, but not, I don't try to commit to things like, oh, I'll see you at dinner at eight o'clock. Like I don't do that because I'm usually also really jet lag. So it might be like, nevermind. I'm going to go back to my room and crash for three hours, you know? So yeah, that's what I do. And then I make sure I'm wearing like, I have a set of travel clothes that I wear. I got to wear jeans on the plane and wear like these expando dad pants that are kind of joggers. Yeah, they're like very, they're very relaxed. And I kind of dress for athletic leisure, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best way to travel is athletic leisure. Yeah. It looks nice, but it's also super comfortable. Yeah, yeah. Christophe, do you do anything? Usually shower as soon as I can. And I like to walk around. I like to discover the neighborhood of the venue. Well, in this case, I know it already, but I like to walk around and to feel the sun and so that my body feel committed to the current sun and the time and everything. So yeah, I don't, but this time I will have a dinner at eight. Yes, I'm sorry, George. I mean, I'll probably be with you, so, you know. You're just inviting him to your dinner. Oh, you can join me if you want. I'd be happy to. But yeah, I'm just doing that, working a bit. And the first thing I'm doing when I'm just arriving the day before the event, I'm also trying to get my badge as soon as I can. Yeah. Ooh, yeah, that is a great idea. I'm doing that all the time. I'm just going straight, having a shower and then going to the venue to get my badge because I like to have it and it's always a way to meet people. So, you know, it's like a gathering point. So I like to do that. It's a smart one, I like that. Are we doing badges at the hotel? Are there badges at the hotels or? No, there's not. It's just at the venue, but it does open up on Sunday. So, folks who get in pretty early can pick them up Sunday afternoon, I believe. Okay, that's what I'm going to try to do, I think. What about UGP? Anything? When I'm flying from West to East, like essentially North America to Europe, jet lag is, like people complain about jet lag, I am comatose, I am not alive for a day, usually. And every single time that I've made this trip from, you know, NA to EU, I get to my hotel and my hotel room isn't ready and I have to like sit there in the hotel lobby for like six hours trying to stay awake every single time. So, I don't really have any sort of, I just try and survive. What I will say is I tried something in Amsterdam last year and that was I am going to stay awake and I am going to stay active and I am going to go do things, just open-ended things until about midnight. And I'm gonna crash hard and then I'm gonna wake up and then just be completely on the current schedule. That worked out for Amsterdam. I wasn't, that day that I landed it was awful, but then it was fine after that. I just don't have any plans to do things yet, Sunday. Yeah, correction, bad pickup starts Monday. Sunday is, that actually makes sense because our walk, well, how the sausage is made, the, like our team walkthrough is Monday evening. And Sunday is still like hard hat, steel toe boot. You are not allowed in the venue Saturday. Yeah, I think what really, I forget, is that this actually really starts on Tuesday and not on Monday. Yeah, I mean, you have two cons that have been like Monday through Friday for so long. It's like, I'm definitely confused going into this one. Also, St. Patty's Day is on Sunday for those that observe. I will not be doing a thing because that would just wreck me. Yeah. I'll be on a plane. So that will be really weird if I was celebrating. Oh, do you get in Monday then? I get in Monday. I'm just gonna go, I get in at like 9 a.m. Monday. So like, I'm just gonna caffeinate a lot and like, figure out how I can survive till about like 8 p.m. That's my goal. Like, I'll probably walk around Paris. I haven't been to Paris in a long time so I'm really excited to see the city again. Maybe Christophe, you can tell us like. Yeah, I wanna go with Christophe because otherwise I'll just wander around until I find like a convenience store. Okay, we can look at that. We can look at that. I'm landing on the Monday morning too. So we can organize that time the afternoon or having a lunch together and that would be fun. Yeah, I love it. While we're talking a little bit about the week. So Tuesday is kind of that pre-Colo, pre-Cube con day. What are you most excited for on Tuesday this year? You know, that pre-Colo day. I think I know Georgia's excitement but yeah, yeah, I've got a good one. I'll let Jeff go first. Oh, mine's boring, contributor summit. Kubernetes contributor summit. I don't think that's boring. I think that's pretty exciting, right? That's like, what everyone would expect from me, I guess. Like, I. Standard. Contributor summit is like, what I have done every single cube con for as long as I've been going to cube con. So six years, like I go to the contributor summit. Yes, George, six years. Are you going to come check on me? Cause we are doing lightning talks from 9 30 AM to 5 PM. One lightning talk every seven minutes. Wait, on Tuesday? Yeah, on Tuesday. The whole day, all project facing like talks. It's the first time it's happening, which is pretty exciting. I'm very excited. Typically we used to have like project for those who are tuning in. We used to have project updates throughout the week during keynotes for graduated and incubating this year. Just graduated talks will do a keynote update, but the rest of kind of incubating and sandbox get to have this project lightning. Yep. Round at cube con on Tuesday, which is pretty cool. Yeah. So it's going to be projects in my opinion that like a lot of like the, the sandbox ones, like a lot of people haven't heard of. So if you want to know what's hot, that's the thing to do on Tuesday, just sit in there and what we're going to do. We're going to keep it nice and loose because we can't expect people to sit through an entire day of lightning talk. So people can come in and out as they want and we'll keep it nice and. Well, there's also fun. My memory's been jogged. There's also like coffee breaks and like a lunch break. Oh, yeah, it's it's not just keeping them in that room. Yeah, until I follow locking the doors and they are not allowed to leave until they understand every every project. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I'll be doing cool things in between making little announcements and things like that about how we're going to run the project for the lead. I was going to be like cool things like juggling. Can you imagine words up there just like juggling? Well, do you know how to juggle? If you know how to juggle, I could make room for you, but I don't my husband does. Maybe I'll get him to teach me real quick. I don't think it works that quickly, but we'll figure out. George is just going to walk up on stage and start talking about like the traveler and a bunch of other destiny. Dinosaurs and stuff will be dinosaurs. And then people are just going to be like, what? What did I even sign up for exactly? And then boom, first lightning talk of the day. Yep, I love it. What about you, Kristoff? What are you excited for on Tuesday? I am excited by the lightning tolls. I love lightning tolls. So when I look at the schedule, I said, oh, I want to be there. Really? Perfect. Yeah, good. I'll rope you in. We'll get you in there because we'll be talking to the projects as well about all the services we provide for them and making sure they're, hey, I'll see you tomorrow. You know where your booth is? Those kind of conversations and meeting people face to face and letting them know I'm going to be your guide this week, that kind of thing. That would be really interesting. Yeah, I'm excited for that. I'm going to pop in on that. I'm also going to pop in on the cloud native hacks, that hackathon to see how it goes. That's a new thing that's happening this year as well. I'm pretty excited to see the energy that comes out of that, you know, with the United Nations being involved in everything. So that's going to be pretty cool. Oh, cool. Okay. So if people have time, they should check that out as well. And then of course, all the different colos that are happening. I mean, I think we're at 14 this QCon. I'm looking at them right now. Yeah. I think it's 18. I think it's 18. 18, yeah. I have a little short on that now that I look at it, but I mean, that's pretty, pretty cool. There's something, a little bit of something for everyone, I think. Right? Oh yeah. What about the rest of the week? What kind of, are you going to go to any sessions, Wednesday through Friday? If so, what session are you the most excited for? I mean, I'm sure you're excited for a lot, but like which one are you like, I have to go to that one. D&D. D&D. All right. I'm excited for that one. I am a nerd. I play D&D. I have a D&D session that we are playing tonight. Point is it was really well done in Chicago. I'm excited that they are getting to do a second session. This, this KubeCon. It's funny. I laugh. I get, I get all the jokes. Also, that's like the only session that I have time for. Do y'all actually play D&D or are you talking about playing D&D? In the session, well, I'm not in the session, but are you talking about the session? Yeah. The session, they actually are playing kind of a prescripted D&D campaign. And all of the like, dungeons and enemies and encounters have to do with some aspect of Kubernetes and Cloud Native. Oh. Yeah. It's in its well done. Noah is awful with the puns. I gotta, I gotta give him props. He was, he was channeling TaylorD. So is there like a crash loop, backoff monster and stuff that you have to slay? Like, umkiller? No, we're not. There was an umkiller. There was actually an umkiller reference in the last session. But now this is completely unrelated to crash and clash and chat. Oh, okay, okay. All the loops. I guess the only other shameless plug will be, you know, clash loop. I feel like we have a very, very good set of folks that are gonna be competing. So it's Abdul versus Mitch Connors. Oh, clash loop backoff. So the stupid little game show that I host during Kube Crawl. It's like Iron Chef or Taskmaster, but, you know, Cloud Native. So the first match, which kind of kicks off Kube Crawl is Abdul versus Mitch Connors. Mitch Connors is returning from Chicago where he tied the current, I guess, champion or Iron Chef or whatever you wanna call him, Jeremy. There, actually, I will pull this up really quick. There are three possible challenges because I am very, very mean. One is called SUP Gamers, which is Deploy a Valheim server. And one is called Live Livestream, where they have to set up an RTSP server and broadcast their laptop's webcam to their own phone. And then one is called the Honk CTL Scramble, which is I'm going to post a public Kube config three minutes before they get access to it and they have to try and undo whatever people have done and secure it. So that's only one, I'm only picking one of them. The second match is, yeah, I'm not nice. The second match is Castlin Fields versus Kristoff Blecker. The first possible match is Help My Cluster is Broken. Hopefully that one's self-explanatory. The second one is, and I quote, I needed an AI task where they have to deploy the Kube Ray operator with auto-scaling. And then a third one is, can't you just fix this, which is a link to a GitHub issue and then the best PR wins in the time allowed. I'm not nice, but that's gonna be super fun. I am looking forward to seeing Castlin just wipe the floor with Kristoff. That'll be nice. I would go with- Different Kristoff, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those are always fun. Those are always fun. So those are like the two things. Now, again, one of them I'm doing, but I genuinely enjoy it. So. Do you have any sessions that are catching your eye? Like, I need to catch it. Again, the D&D one, but. Yeah. Oh, okay, all right. What about you, George? Any sessions for you? So I'll be mostly working the floor since I'm in the project pavilion, but I have one or two. One is Maureen Duffy's talk. It's her first KubeCon, so I wanted to go to that one. And I try to go to the public talk sessions. Kind of gives me insight of where they're at and that kind of helps me plan my, you know, oh, I guess that's what I'm gonna be doing for the next six months, you know, depending on what they're talking about. But other than that, mostly I try to work the floor and interact with the crowd directly as much as I can and do hallway track. So that's where I focus. So I'll be at the project pavilion and on the schedule, there are tours. So if it's your first KubeCon, drop by, we're gonna grab people and kind of give them a little tour of the pavilion. And then in certain cases, some might, we might do little expeditions to like the AI hub. So like the Q-Flow folks might take a group over there, that kind of thing. We're gonna, we're trying to do like a tour-heavy project pavilion to get people walking around them there. Otherwise it's kind of like, oh, go to booth A, go to booth B, go to booth C. You know, we're trying to kind of give them a guided, you know, a more curated experience and see how that works. So I spent most of my KubeCon these days on the floor. In fact, during the keynotes, I'm always in the back standing up where the doors are. So when they're open, I go straight to the booth so that when people go into the floor, we're already kind of set for them. So that's, in Chicago, I was physically running because the crowd moved so fast. I was like, oh, no, why did they move there? You know. Chris, what about you? What are you excited for? Any sessions? Obviously, I'm looking to hear Taylor D and all his puns about friends, for sure. Because many of my friends told me, have you let him set this thing, hip hip hip beret in the title of his conference? I said, no, come on. This is Taylor. I make a lot of fun jokes. And so I'm looking for that, for sure. There's a session about how Lego is doing platform engineering. Oh, yeah. And I think it might be interesting. I love Lego, so I'm really looking to hear them. Yeah, this session really, yeah, it really interests me. And usually, I'm trying to attend a few of the tutorials that are available. I always think it's a good thing to have some kind of end zone tutorial where someone can help you start learning something. So I try to have a look at that session. There are a few of them. There are about 10 of them. So that could be interesting. And oh, yeah. There is one also about a book club, Kubernetes book club this time. So I think it could be interesting too. And obviously, it's not really a session, well, not yet, not as formalized as a session, but we will have a new thing this year on the learning lounge, which will be a place where people will be able to have a lot of information about certification, training. And we will have multiple dedicated sessions about each of the certifications we have. Gifi will run one of them. And I will run a couple of office hours too. And that would be interesting. So I would be hanging around there a lot. Yeah, I think mine is like the last day. I think so. Friday was the only day I actually had a skill ability. Yeah, I have one on Friday too. Katie, what about you? So I'm like, George, there's not many sessions I'll be able to get to, because I'll be hanging out with ambassadors and on the floor and running from one thing to the next. But I did earmark in my schedule to try to make it to the Kubernetes maintainers read mean comments session. Because I think that one's going to be really funny. I'm really excited for it. Let me get that on my schedule. You know, Jimmy Kimmel's mean tweets is one of my favorite things to watch all the time. I find it to be just takes off all that pressure of the world's mean and take things too seriously. You just remind yourself that it's OK that people are mad. It's a cathartic release. Exactly. So I'm excited for that one. I'm just excited to get to see all the ambassadors and chat with them outside of like Kupon. Like I don't get to see the ambassadors that much. So going to Kupons is always kind of nice. And then they always bring such cool ideas to Kupon to talk to me about. So I'm really excited about that. I'm excited for the key CD booth, which has actually turned into the community event booth. So it will actually be KCDs and cloud native community groups. So some of our community organizers get to talk about their local community groups and recruit people to come check out their meetups. We have a really stellar KCD lineup this year. I think we're already at like 20. Yeah, already at like 20 confirm. Yeah, it's a lot. So is that the booth in the pavilion? Yeah, it's in the pavilion. So there will be ambassadors there also, right? Yeah, there will be ambassadors and organizers. So I encourage people to go check that out. When they go check out your tour, maybe that's a place for them to stop by. Oh yeah, that will be a highlighted. Yeah, a lot of them have like open CFPs right now. So if you didn't get your CFP accepted to Kupon shameless plug, you can still apply to go to a KCD which is a great way to do it. Yeah. And then of course, we'll be celebrating a few graduation, you know, acknowledgements at the project pavilion. It's pretty cool that we had, you know, two projects graduate before Kupon. So cloud events in Falco are both the newest to graduate. So that's something people should always check out and, you know, congratulate both of those projects. It's a big deal. And then I try to hit up the diversity and inclusion events as well. So I'll try to make it to, I won't be able to make it to the empower us breakfast, but I will go to the diversity, inclusion, equity and accessibility lunch on Wednesday. So I'm pretty excited about that. What is kind of your recommendations during the week? So we talked about like what you're excited for, but like in what we do pre, but like during the week while we're in the nitty gritty of Kupon, what do you do to like sustain yourself throughout the week? Do you go to the parties? Do you not go to the parties? I don't go to the parties. I have actually, I have one day where I allow myself to drink alcohol and then the rest of the week, I do not. Like, and usually on the middle day, like the Wednesday, or the Thursday, well, it depends now because everything's a day off. That night after the floor closes, I go right to my hotel and I crash immediately. But yeah, I try to stretch, stay limber. We're doing a lot of walking. Everyone's comparing like their step counts and things like that. So I try to do that. And then don't forget to stop by the shop because they always have cool stuff. So in the past, it was just kind of like the same Kubernetes t-shirt styles, but now they're just so, I grab stuff for my kid like every trip now because they're clever. The hoodies with the animals on them and stuff, like they're just great. Fippy and Goldie hoodies, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We try to have custom stuff only that you can get at coupon rate. So that's a great point. Some of the stuff you will be able to get post-coupon. Christoph, what about you? What do you do to take care of yourself during the week? So I'm going to the parties. But I don't drink alcohol. Most of the time I don't drink alcohol. So, but I'm going to the parties. But the thing I'm doing is I prefer to sleep less, but every morning I have breakfast. I force myself to wake up from the breakfast every morning. I force myself to do twice during the week some sports in the morning before going to breakfast. So I could go for a run. I could do some gym in my, just in my room, but I'm doing 20 to 40 minutes of sports twice a week. And just to be healthy, let's say. And so when I go to sleep after the party, I'm tired, I'm really tired, but I fall asleep right away. So I'm not facing, yeah, you know, I'm not facing a lot of jet lag and things like that because of that too. Yeah. That's right. So yeah, those are the kinds of things I'm doing. What about you, Jephy? It's kind of weird. At like at home, well, no, I mean at home, my like, my life is generally a routine. Like I can tell you every single day what I'm going to do. And once I'm pulled out of that, it's like everything is not a mess. It's just everything is fluid. So do I go to parties? Like right now I plan on going to one of them, minus the cube crawl obviously. But similar to Kristoff, I try to at least get two workouts in. I normally do like three heavy lifting workouts throughout the week. So while I'm traveling, I'll at least try to do two, but I also don't want to pack a bunch of stuff for that. So it's like I'm not going to bring a weight lifting belt or any of that. Like I don't want to bring my lifting shoes. So I'm kind of limited to that. Specific to this cube con, I am getting a croissant every day. This is not a meme. This is not a joke. Croissants are one of my favorite pastries. And if I am in Paris, I am getting a croissant every day from a different place. Jephy, ask a chocolatine, please. What did you, what? Okay, there is some kind of a debate in France. A chocolate croissant? Yeah, exactly. I mean, those are my favorite, but I like, I also, yeah. Depending where you live, you will call that in a different manner. If you're living in the southwest of France, you will call that a chocolatine. So basically chocolatine. So chocolatine. If you're living in the everywhere, except southwest of France, you will call that pain au chocolatine, so chocolate bread. And people are fighting all the time saying, oh, you say that this way, oh, you say that this way. And so please in Paris, ask them for a chocolatine, please, please. What do the ugly Americans call it? What are they? What do the ugly Americans call it? Give me a chocolate, Chris. Give me that. Give me that. They pronounce the T really sharply at the end. You know, croissant. Croissant, yeah. So by the way, in French, you don't say this T at the end, you just say croissant. Yeah, croissant, yeah. So Jim croissant. No, and itch. Chocolatine. Chocolatine. Yeah, no. Chocolatine. Yeah, exactly. Perfect. The only other thing that I typically do is I will absolutely always 100% get some form of coffee in the morning. The gym I'll usually try and hit middle of the day just because I can't wake up and immediately work out. I've done that before. I don't like how I feel afterwards. Caffeine, give me caffeine. Yeah, I have to have my diet coke. Especially in conferences, they bring out the pop only a little while and then it goes away. Like I will sit there with a bag unashamedly, putting it in my bag and be like, nope, I am working all day, we paid for this. I constantly have like a supply on me. Yeah. I'm with you on the coffee. Like I have to find a good coffee place like before we're getting to the conference to get that good authentic Paris coffee and then definitely probably going to get a croissant. Now I'm gonna call it Chocolat in... Chocolat in... If you want Chocolat inside. Chocolat in Chocolat. I do, I do. Yeah, please. I would have said Pawn du Chocolat, but so now I know, I won't say it. So what are Parisians call it? Is it the important part, right? Yeah, they will say Pawn Chocolat. Okay, so that's what I'm gonna say. Okay. I'll do whatever you say. I'm just gonna hang out. I'm just gonna hang out with you. Is there a race on Sunday, Jeff? Is there F1s? Oh, I'm checking right now. Unfortunately, the French F1 team not doing very well this year. No, it's the Saturday we leave this week, weeks and off week. The next F1 race is gonna be in Melbourne. Yeah, something I like to do when we're traveling to a conference or whatever. There's an F1 race. I try to go to a local's place to see how the locals watch sport kind of thing. But there's no other sporting events, right? In Chicago, Christophe and I went to a Bulls game. That was fun. In Amsterdam, a couple of us went to a football game. I'll use air quotes because I'm an American saying football. I don't wanna get. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. We're hiring, so the basketball game we went to last time went into overtime and I was so tired and I'm trying to stay awake. Because Christophe's like, I flew all this way to watch the Chicago Bulls and we were having such a great time and it was just like, we saw some great basketball that night but you're also so tired and you're like, oh man, I gotta get to the booth. The thing is, the thing is not saying is that I was speaking so much that I completely exhausted him, that's all. Yeah, yeah. How do y'all recover? Because usually it takes me about two weeks when I get back to kind of... Well, I have a five year old so I don't get to recover. I just jump right back in and I'm like, all right, I guess we're just gonna be weird, fluid, whatever going on. I think I'll just feel... Yeah, this is my life now. I'll just kind of go with it. And I also, I try to get right back into things. One, to get over the debt lag and two, my poor husband is stuck home with both the kids. And this week while I'm traveling is spring break so he's really stuck home without the kids with no real routine. There's routine but it's not the normal routine so it's gonna be a fun week for him. There's routine but then there's routine where they leave the house for eight hours. Yep, yeah, exactly. So I feel for him on that. So when I get back on Saturday, I get back late Saturday, but Sunday it's like, I'm gonna be right up. My five year old will be probably in my room at 5.30 a.m. Because he's a rooster, just chatting at me and I'll be surviving on coffee for a week. But the good thing is, since you will be debt lagged, you will be awake at 5 a.m. Yes, that is true. I will be awake at 5 a.m. That is the good thing about the debt lag. First thing I do when I get back is I have a special pocket in my bag where I put people's business cards. So when I have a conversation, I'll write what it was about on their business card and I'll shove it in a special pocket. When I get back, I dump it all out on my desk and then I go through a, you know, okay, I got to email this person first, this, I do like this little ritual and things like that. Yeah, it's smart. I have so much more. No, go ahead. I was gonna say, I just have a notebook where I write everything down. So I do kind of similar to you where I'm like, okay, did I cross that off? So I know I did. Who did I promise something? Log seek, man. Log seek. Mine is genuinely boring. I can tell you what I do every single time. Get home. I'll see the cats and the dog. Susan's somewhere elsewhere. I'll just say like, hi, whatever. Take my bag up to the hamper, dump my bag into the hamper and then I will go back downstairs and usually sit on the couch and try and watch something and just stay awake until like 8 p.m. It doesn't matter whether I'm jet lagged or not. It's just travel. When I get back, there's just this, do y'all know like traction, like putting your back into traction or just like, you know, actually decompressing your spine? Imagine that like the phrase, you know, decompression. It's like that, but for my whole body, I'll just like sit on the couch and I'm not normally a couch potato, right? I'll sit on the couch and then just be like, just like that. I'll write into it. And then like 8 p.m. will roll around and it's just like, all right, I'm going to bed and then I'm fine the next day. Sometimes I do that in the conference sometimes. I'll be like, I find a corner. There was a spot in Chicago and I always try to find a place, like a couch thing or whatever, where it's like, okay, I've got 20 minutes before something important happened and I'll just go lay there, you know? Like horizontally to kind of get my feet up because like you could feel, you walk so much, you feel like a heartbeat in your feet all the time. So I'm always trying to like find every new angle I could possibly figure out. Yeah, that's a good point. When I get back to the hotel room, like after a long day of walking, I lay on the bed and put my feet up on the wall. Oh yeah. So like just everything drains down. Yeah. I just lay like that for like 30 minutes. I'm just like, we're just, this is how it's gonna be. Yeah. I didn't cut my steps last time. So this time I'm going to. I last, in Chicago, I was 25,000 steps away. Yeah, I was about 25,030, depending on certain days. There was like one day where I was like, really ambitious and I was like, I'm gonna go for a walk before the day. Oh. That will be awesome. I didn't walk. Like it'll be, I'll be super energized. Cause I like to walk. I do. Like I walk at home with the dogs or with the, I say dogs, it's one dog now. I walk at home with the dog all the time. Her and I go for like three, four mile walks throughout the day. So I was like, I got this. Like what's an extra, you know, 5,000 steps. Like nothing. No, that was. Yeah. That was not nothing. That was like, I was like at the end of the day I was like, I made a mistake. I made a terrible mistake. Yeah. The layout looks pretty cool though. Like the pavilion is right next to the stairs to get up to the keynotes. I'm feeling, I'm gonna be more vertical this time than I was. Chicago felt very spread out. It was very much like this in Chicago. And then also it was like, cause it was like a H in Chicago. So you went this way and then you did this whereas this one just looks like it's like up and down. So lots of stairs. Get your stairs. Here's a question. Are y'all pro laptop or anti-laptop? Do you bring your laptops? This is a whole conversation. Yeah, this is a whole conversation. So the last like three Q-cons I've taken both my laptop and my tablet and then I've left my laptop in the hotel room and then take my tablet to do work cause it's just really heavy to carry it around. But I like having my laptop when I get back to my room to do like more serious work. Yeah, to be, let me clarify. I'm talking like at the conference. Yeah. Not taking it on the trip. I'm talking like at the conference. Yeah, so at the conference I've been doing the tablet. Okay. And then there always comes a moment in the middle of like something I'm doing with the tablet that I just like curse you. I wish I brought my laptop because it wasn't working for me. Cause it's so much smaller and I'm not as used to it. So I've been contemplating that this week is like, do I just bite it and take the laptop and have it be heavy and like annoying but know that I can like get what I need to get done if I get in a situation that I need my laptop or do I just like for 30 minutes be painful and uncomfortable with my tablet and be like, I'm gonna have to get back to you. I don't know yet. I haven't decided. I bring my laptop and a battery. Okay. So you are a team laptop. You will always have your laptop on the other side. Yeah, because I work at a booth now. So I'll have a place to actually set it down. So I have a question. I'd like to grab a circular table. Like it's like, I got to turn through some email. I hate doing email on my phone and stuff like I don't like that. So I sometimes I'll grab my laptop and I'll go to the lunch area when it's not lunch, all those circle tables. Yeah. And I'll just go in there hang out with someone I wanted to talk to anyway. It was like, Hey, you got 20 minutes. I got to bring through some email. Let's go. And then we just get it out of the way. And then I like to bring a battery to it with cables. It's like, it's just really nice when you're hanging out with people you go to eat or something. Someone always has a battery to keep you topped off. Like sometimes I find myself like, Oh man, why is my, did I forget to charge my phone last night? Like there's always do something dumb like that. So I'm always kind of see, I try to think ahead of time by always having a battery. Yeah. Smart. Yeah. Laptop all the time, but I don't use it except for email. And all day long when I'm just during the day, I'm usually taking a lot of notes of my conversation and everything, but I do that on a notebook all the time. Yeah. All school for taking notes and I'm just using my laptop for sending email or writing a more detailed thing or showing something to someone. Sometimes you need to show something to someone. Okay. I can do that with my laptop, but all my conversation and everything, I take notes on my notebook. Yeah. Mm-hmm. G-fi. Bye bye, G-fi. I was debating trying to do no laptop because I feel like when I bust out my laptop, I am either just doing the same thing I would be doing on my phone, but on my laptop. And then the rest of the time, I'm just carrying a whole bag with charging cables and all this other stuff. And it's like, and I'm never like, I don't normally pull it out. I'm not gonna pull it out and like, I can do email on my phone normally. Like I'm comfortable with that most of the time. And so I'm like trying to weigh whether that like 15, it's even less for me than it is for you, Katie. It's like maybe 10 or 15 minutes where it's like, this is gonna suck, but I'm gonna do it on my phone versus, I'm gonna pull my laptop and write this in like 30 seconds. And I just don't know if it's worth it. Like there's gonna be one day where I absolutely bring my laptop. That's gonna be during cube crawl for a clash loop, but I'm also, you know, packing a bunch of adapters and stuff. Yeah. The thing I'm doing is usually when I'm traveling, I have my backpack with me, but I'm with all my stuff, which is quite easy, obviously, but for the, for all the event day, I'm just taking another extra backpack, which has almost anything on it, which is extra light. And so I'm just having my laptop inside that, the charger of my laptop and the pen. And my- I've been thinking about doing that. That's it, period. Okay, cool. Yeah. Like when I interrupt, I wish I could run upstairs. So Bob, I'm not gonna get into who Bob is, Bob, he has been going down the rabbit hole of single bag travel, single backpack travel. Oh, I can't do that. Oh, and the thing was when I went to KCD Brazil, he was like, Hey, do you want me to lend you, you know, this spare backpack I have because I found an even better backpack. And I'm like, okay. And I fell in love. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. The problem is that like awesome single backpack is heavy. So then I started looking into things and they have packable backpacks. And I start going down this rabbit hole of, oh, I can get a backpack that packs down to this. And then I can just pack that. So when I go to the conference, Kristoff, I can just pack my laptop, pack a charger, whatever. So I hop on a Yule Amazon, find a highly rated, oh, Katie's smiling already, highly rated packable backpack. This is a kid's backpack. Like I'm a bigger dude, sure. I don't know if this could fit into it. Like it's so small. And like I had to release the straps as much as possible to like be able to like, and then it like doesn't even go like down below my shoulder blades. It looks like this weird day pack. It's comical. And I'm still probably going to bring it because I'm stubborn. And I'm going to be like, no, I'm going to make this work. And it's just going to look funny and awkward that I have like a kid's backpack on me that barely fits my. Anyways, like this is a whole world. And I want to get into it, but also. Yeah. Yeah. I have my Tom bin, which is like a small. You can see that. That's, that's what I'm going to try because I do carry, I'm a nerd. I carry about, I have my steam deck is like this big. I've got my laptop, my noise canceling headphones, my phone, the dongle thing that has all the USB plugs. I always bring an HDMI cable. If in case I want to watch something on the TV, even though I don't really do that. But then when I go to the conference, it's interesting because I'm using the same backpack, but with nothing in it, but the laptop and like a battery and a charger. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think everybody packs things that they're like, this is going to be the trip that I use it. Yeah. This is going to be it. I know it. And if I don't have it, that's going to be the one time I need it. So I better bring it. I do that with like a bunch of stuff, like a bunch of like random cables. Like I act like I'm going somewhere where I could like never buy something. Like I'm just like, I'm going to go and they won't have it. Like it's a silly thought process. Yeah. I do a single backpack. I'm not a crazy person that does a single backpack. Do you have the scrubber for the whole trip you do one backpack? Do you know the scrubber? Do you even know what I'm talking about with scrubber? I don't know the scrubber. And yeah, I do one backpack for the whole trip. Bob is trying to tell me on this thing. I check a bag because I travel enough to have status now. So I'm not worried. Yeah, I check bag. So there's a lot of things that go in my like regular just carry on that. I don't put in my backpack when I am traveling. Like I just throw it in to like that. And then when I get to the hotel, I take out a bunch of stuff and leave it at the hotel and I take what I think I need for the day. But yeah, I don't, I don't, what is a scrubber? Okay. It's like this, it's a bag. It's a packable bag that has scrubbies on the inside and for like people that do single backpack travel, it's a way to wash your clothes in like a bathtub or in a bathroom, right? Yeah. So you fill the bag up with like this much water and you put your clothes in there and you put in, you can even use like shampoo. They say you can, you can pack your own, you know laundry detergent or you could just use soap from the hotel. And then you just scrubber. Interesting. And then, you know, you do like a scrubby motion for like 30 or 30 seconds to three minutes. And then you, you know, let it, wow, words. You let it drain out, you know, ring the clothes out and then you just hang them up and they dry overnight and then you have clean clothes the next day. That looks amazing. I'm looking at the website now. I don't know if I could do that. Yeah, I don't know if I could do that. I mean, international travel, so it's a little different. Internationally, I'll probably bring more, I'll probably check a bag and everything just, but I'll also bring, I get really weird about international travel because I've had a bag lost. So I pack two bags. I pack a carry on with like extra clothes in that carry on of like what I plan to wear the first three days of the trip. And like everything I need in case my check bag gets lost. Because I've had to check bag get lost and then just being like having to buy clothes. Like especially internationally, like the last time it happened, it was in Valencia. They lost my bag. And I was just like, I guess I'm just gonna look real wild in this like whatever I find and buy. I didn't even wanna try on clothes because like, you know, you get there and you're so gross from traveling. So I just like bought a bunch of clothes. I had no idea how they looked. A lot of them did not look good. They were awful looking. And I just was like, this is it. This is my life. Because I didn't wanna try on the clothes because I felt so gross from traveling. So I never wanted to be in that position again. So I'll pack a bag. I'll carry on and I'll check a bag. I'll do both for this one. But if it's the states, I just carry on. Yeah, I always have a spare shirt and extra stick of deodorant and whatever bag. One year I got stuck at Paris de Gaulle Airport for an extra eight hours. And I even went through that shirt. I ended up buying a shirt at the airport. This is Isle of Paris with like the Eiffel Tower. It was a total tourist one. And that's what I had to wear to the conference. Because when you go to the conference, I ended up getting more shirts as well. Actually, my bag is way heavier on the way back. Because I love all my nerd t-shirts and stuff. So I end up having three weeks worth of clothes on me. So... Yeah, that's a good thing to talk about too is like the amount of swag you bring back, right? We talked a little bit about the store. Do you bring an extra collapsible bag to like bring things back? Or do you just make room in your bag knowing that you're gonna pack extra stuff in it? It depends. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm trying the single bag thing this time. That said, previously, I have... When I'm checking a bag, I have a bag that's like a trunk. I don't feel this. I can have completely separate outfits for a whole two week trip with spares and still not feel this thing. So like swag, no problem. Like, that's fine. This time's gonna be a little different. The only swag I do is clothes, like shirts, socks and stuff, like anything plasticky, like I don't collect any of that stuff anymore. Things, logos on them and things like that. I just let someone else have that stuff and I try to keep it lean. Same for you, Christophe. You're like, yeah. I try to limit a lot now the swags I get too. Yeah. We have a very strict rule at home for every shirt that I bring in from a confront. I need to give one of mine to someone or to an organism. So... Oh, that's a great idea. Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to limit that a lot. So I might take a few socks for what my kid would love them, but I think that would be almost everything. Yeah. One year they give out luggage tags at the Kubernetes contributor summit and I still have those on my bag. Yeah, those are very useful. Well, any last imparting thoughts before we head out for the day and then head on to Paris in a couple of days for depending on who's leaving when. Can't wait to see y'all, this is gonna be fun. I mean, I've got my word of wisdom. Just like open source, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Don't go too hard the first day. There's like three other days of content. Don't party too hard at night because there's awesome keynotes the following morning. Have fun, just, you know, moderation. A lot of water. A lot of water. A lot of water, absolutely. And one thing I try to explain to people is, okay, you have an amazing, you've worked a lot to create your perfect agenda before the event. You have a back-to-back session a little time and if you miss one, it's not a big deal. Yeah. If you're talking with someone having a nice conversation, okay, you know what, continue that and it's not a big deal if you miss one of your two sessions that you plan. If you will be able to look at the video or it's okay. Just enjoy the time you spend with people also. Yeah. Yeah. Embrace the FOMO, right? Yeah, yeah, and take some time to go to the booth and talk to people and it will give you a lot of fun and you will learn a lot from that. Yeah. It's a kind of, it's a bit like when you're taking an onsite training, one of the most important thing is the coffee break chat. So it's a bit like that. So enjoy this kind of chat and conversation. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'm all about the hallway track. Yeah, because everything hits YouTube a few days after, so. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's important to remember is take those plans that you had and your expectations for the event and throw them away and enjoy what comes of it because once you kind of limit or like remove that, like, I was supposed to go here and I'm supposed to be there, like, and you just enjoy the fact that, like, you met someone new and you had a really great conversation and maybe that leads to something else, like, you're gonna be less stressed the entire time when you just roll with it. And it's a hard thing to do, but. And then my whole thing is take time for yourself, like, not only to, like, not go to all those sessions or not, like, you know, walk, but like make a moment of, like, realizing if you're talked out, like, I hit the wall, there's moments where I'm like, I love talking to people, but there are moments where I'm like, I need to not talk to anyone. I need to go sit in a corner, not hear my voice, not hear any other voices and just, like, be quiet. That's okay to do, like, do what's best for yourself. If going onto the trade, you know, the solutions showcase is too overwhelming for you, don't go, right? If the cube crawl is too overwhelming for you, don't go. If you're feeling really tired but you really wanted to go to a session, don't go to the session. Like, just, you were not required to do anything and be okay to let yourself off the hook to not do it and to use the word no. Like, there is power with the word no. Do you want to go to dinner with me tonight? No. No, I'm good. I usually don't say it like that. I say, look, I love to, but I got to lay down. And everybody kind of feels the same. Yeah, exactly. My Thursday and Friday is just like, I love you all, but I cannot wait to not see you. Yeah. Exactly. Well, thanks everyone for joining me today and chatting with everyone. And we look forward to seeing everyone at QCon as just a shameless reminder. If you aren't registered, register today. I'll put it over here to the side where it's a little more pretty. We're close to kind of selling out on all access passes as well as registration in general. So if you're kind of dragging your feet, today's the day, get it going and get registered. Otherwise, we'll see everyone in Paris and safe travels. And if you see us, just come to chat with us. Yeah, just hang out. Yeah, we'll be happy to. Yeah, come talk to us.