 All righty, then it's funny when I do the recordings like immediate intro when it's like a stream as well It's like oh, I guess I have to wait a little bit But also say hello for the reupload. It's all very complicated We should say hello to all the live that the people in the comments of the Reupload or do we say we say hello to the Live viewers to them I guess Like But also hello the ones that are about to pop in Say hi Yeah, just whoever you are whenever you listen to this. Hi. Hope you're having a good day All y'all passing through all you weary travelers Ready to listen to us and super chats. I saw so many This is coming out just after the premiere of episode five our coverage of episode five The fifth episode of the of the of the coverage of the fifth episode of the show Oh, what a good episode. That was such a great episode man so much great stuff in that show I've been so pleasantly surprised with how good it's been Consistently how good it's been. Oh I'm not no right When I make those edits they take a while that I'm like, I'll hang out and watch see what people thinking stuff And oh boy what what what controversy chat chat were like The the rebels and the zombies in the show, you know, it was just war. It's just everyone Eating each other and shooting each other and stuff craziness And it's funny because if you look at channel you look at like our coverage our our energy is so much more chill You know like this this is like Caps lock everywhere So Yeah, yeah, we we've got So to give an update we've managed to catch up with everything except she Hulk the other things we've got left Been looking for a slot to get that in they will all come out eventually a lot of them have been sorted, but they're not out yet So I thought we could combine A little little chat about the flash trailer that came out Maybe some comments if people wanted clarifications about the last of us and then of course do some tuba chance Well, yeah, I have not seen the flash trailer. So that's actually fine because I was I watched it during the Super Bowl. Oh, sorry, the big game. Oh Yeah, I saw it. I saw it when I was watching the big game Well, what did you think of the trailer? I Don't I don't think anything of it really. I have no strong thoughts on it About is the matter of like man We are at like the point of hype and nostalgia like like just grabbing anything that we can and throwing it in To like get people to watch and this is like why is it even called the flash? Everybody's excited about Batman That's like the main Clearly That's what everybody's talking about. That's what all of the hype is for it's not even about the flash like Someone had posted a tweet I don't know if I send it to y'all or not, but this is like this is the fourth time in seven years That the like that Warner Brothers got pitched the idea of an older Batman But this time to swap things up. He actually kills people got approved Does he kill people? Hey, sorry. I think I've absolved half of what you just said Um And Batman, but he's older and he kills people And that's been done like four times in the last seven years. You've got of course the the bat woman Conroy pack or not. I keep saying Pat Conroy Like I'm having a pack. Yeah, I know for whatever reason. I just keep I keep wanting to say. Oh Pat count Pat Conroy Whatever reason, I don't know waters wide great Santini Lords of Discipline great book by the way read the Lords of Discipline, but um But we have We have Pat Conroy. We have I guess this one is I guess he's gonna probably kill people in this one I guess whatever You have well funny enough. He is the Batman from 89 returns and that Batman did kill He did kill people. Yeah So we have of course our DC Batman Ben Affleck who was also What? Well, it's not for much longer. This will be well Well, I well he was one of those that got approved, you know, an older Remember when he shot that grappling hook into the car and dragged it around Yeah Yeah, it Oddly enough, I also said also saw Ben Affleck. He was in a Super Bowl commercial He was doing the drive-thru it like a fast food thing. It was amazing And then there was another I forget which one it was but I wish I saved the tweet I don't know. Maybe someone could ping it on discord for me, but I Should have sent it to y'all I was thinking that's kind of weird like we're in the age where Batman killing people isn't edgy anymore That's just par for the course. Well, except for the Batman Yeah, I guess That one seems so weird because it's just like off the off on its own do well I mean, that's that's worth probably there is that like Are they actually gonna be moving forward with with like concurrent Batman's did he not kill anybody in that? I'm pretty sure other guys shot each other like there were people who got shot, but I don't think he like killed anyone I'd have to think about that The closest to God to I think and what people talked about was he a shot is about to be taken on him I think does he dodge it and it goes into someone else? Yeah, but I mean what's he meant to do no There was a discussion about it, but like I don't think that's a line cross compared to the other Batman's doing stuff Yeah, it's a question. Yeah, um, I'm not sure where you guys fall on this, but I could just both of you seen Batman forever Yeah, but not for a long time. I think I'm a same boat I remember virtually nothing about it because this gets discussed a lot. I actually threw this at as and gags I wanted to know what they think too, right because it's kind of Arguably a conundrum Arguably, I'm curious what you guys will say so scenario two faces got his gun on Batman and Robin I think and he's like, ah, I'm gonna kill you now. Gotcha. I'm gonna fire this gun real soon, but I'm gonna flip my coin first Batman even says like remember Harvey you gotta flip your coin before you can you know kill anyone He has to it has to land on the scratchy side for him to decide he's gonna do it But you know, he just keeps flipping until it does anyway point being I'm gonna kill you But I got a flip my coin first and then Batman has on him a Bag of coins and so when Harvey Flicks his he throws all of those bag of coins up at him and it makes Harvey stumble and he falls off the very narrow past the path that he's on and he lands in a pile of acid dies now What do you think that is? If he throws all the coins to distract him so that he falls that well I mean if it's goal was to make him fall. Yeah, I'm thinking that's his goal was to get him to fall then you're you're So the the argument a lot of people make is the really it's two-faced that kills himself because Batman throwing those coins. He doesn't have like what happens is Harvey's like whoa. Whoa trying to grab at them And then he falls and then the argument is like well How do you not been so fucking obsessed with that coin? He'd be fine because it's just coins going up in the air If you knew that is what his Like reaction would be it's like if you had someone who was like super addicted to drugs And you use drugs to lure them into a trap that would kill them if I can clarify a lot of people are saying Man slaughter not murder remember killing. That's all I'm looking for did he kill him and manslaughter is killing. Oh Yeah, manslaughter is killing. Absolutely. We just I just want to know does it cross the line into did he kill? And the the umbrella of kill includes manslaughter Yeah, I think so I'm pretty sure that's just a fact but like the what I'm trying to get out is a lot of people say it doesn't count as manslaughter either It's it's it's two-faced's fault. He's the one that was like rah. I want that coin But I think the counter to that would be that that's what Batman's relying on right Batman's intention is to use his Interest in the coin to get him to kill himself quote-unquote, but that would still be killing him. I guess it's a So, yeah, I don't know what you think free Yeah, I mean if he knows that he was so upset if that was his goal was to essentially get him to that place then Regardless of whether like two-faced was in some sense, you know complicit in his own death It's like, well, yeah, but you still knew what was gonna happen and you did it anyway In fact you wanted it to happen right like that was your goal Interesting point was just raised as well two people We're falling down that same pit and Batman jumps down and saves them. He does not do that for two-faced. Ah, well fuck I never thought about that down He was I'm pretty sure he dropped a gun at that point as well so he could save him off Nah, he was doing a Batman Returns there I don't have to save you That would be good, right? That's what he says What did I say I said Batman Returns yeah, yeah Yeah, I like how we talk about Batman because of that flash trailer because it's all about him like he's the important part That's all everybody cares about But hey Zod's back He might not be cringe though, who knows but then he won't be funny Um really hope I haven't missed the discussion about the flash trailer Maybe we should do it at the beginning of the Ant-Man coverage to look at the trailer friend for the flash or something Oh, well, I've seen it man guys Yeah, you have I have not yet. I have seen it. You thought it was brilliant, right? No, oh you didn't think no I didn't know oh Okay, we'll talk about that. We'll talk about that another day So I don't have to Sort of tread back through that film unnecessarily ahead of time Well, yeah, so I mean anyway, I'll I'll try and keep us up to date with the newer superchats. Um It says start with basic lines and see other players interpretations I'm sure well that's referencing is a quote In case I don't either Uh Long live the long man and his length also high rags Hello there. Hi. Thank you How dare you like the last of the show? Anyway, the show is great so far Yeah, I mean, it's I think it's really really solid. I've not been very compelled by the arguments But I know it's a very charged subject And uh, I guess at this point all I'm hoping is people get less angry about all of it It is a tv show after all I'm pretty chill with the idea that people hate it It's whatever. Um, I think it deserves praise, but I mean You know That's pretty annoying of you. It's it's we've been in this position before we either praise or shit on something And everyone else is like seriously what the fuck? Um, I remember we I got some flak for saying tomorrow. What was shit? Yeah I appreciate all of you for being here, but guys the tomorrow we Tomorrow world was fucking trash. All right. It's it's probably one of the worst movies ever made I gotta be frank with you if you think that movie is anything other than total garbage We might have to have a discussion That's true. It wasn't woke though. So I suppose yeah, but the air date for this episode is february 15 nd 15 I'm gonna keep it 15 the 15 I like it too much Speaking of extra ends being added to things when did snoy become a word that we use? I don't know. It's the ragnarok coverage. I think is what made that happen. That's what we started using it, but I think rags is asking Like do they still call them Yeah This is some old school terminology. I don't think so x bots. I don't really hear those anymore Then again, I'm not in those spaces anymore. It's it seems like snoy as they are as the common one now One of the worst rags. It's kind of New for years Yeah, tomorrow war is it's actually Yeah, like I think it's what it actually is usually usually the general standard. We apply as if the film was breaking time in space There is nothing There is a tomorrow or efat movies that could come out someday or it might be lost time but we did coverage Yes, right. And I had to watch it twice because I think yeah, we did so we did the notes for that one What a wonderful time in the world um The day is wednesday february 15th 2022 through I don't know. I think episode five was a bit bloated kappa Oh Some people say these things unironically about the show so I have to be like I said kappa, didn't I? Cap kappa Or mischievous I did say well, I didn't know well still Still it might be one of those like I still think it but I might veil it in sarcasm so that I'm safe And I've got my my cozy little back door to squeeze out of I do like them back doors Just as a safety precaution sort of that's true You want a front door and a back door your front door is very important you use it all the time You back or you've always got to have that back door ready to go. Yep Do you think decades from now nintendo will start releasing things on steam? I don't know if Nintendo I don't know they seem to they seem to be uh really uh Against doing that. I get the impression that one of the things that would make them avoid doing it It's because they often do sort of interesting things with their hardware That kind of makes it Translate those games over to pc as easily as you can with like xbox and playstation games Yeah, I mean you could I mean there's no reason you couldn't do it Um, I mean you can have I mean there are emulators for like ds games and stuff But whether they want to whether they want to Nintendo's big thing is that they sell their hardware for their games like more so than anybody else their games. I mean Yeah, they're sort of around Well, I mean think about it this way the attach rate for mario kart 8 deluxe is like one out of two switch owners own it There's no game on playstation or xbox not even grand theft auto has that kind of attach rate um No, not even grand theft auto has that kind of attach rate Um Like that's the big selling point for them if they start putting their games on like pc I feel like that really cuts into like the main thing that that helps to make a bunch of money um Especially since they don't seem to have any difficulty selling their games to millions of people anyway Yeah, the dinos are they're kind of like Appling away Um There's that that's worth keeping in mind like breath of the wire like You know tears of the kingdom that that's coming out It's probably even though that's like one of their big games It's probably not as expensive as like the average triple a game. I would I would guess Um, I would imagine that a naughty dog game has a higher budget than that almost certainly Even though again, uh, like, you know Like that. I'm pretty sure that our breath of the wild sold like 30 million copies Like that's a big goddamn like that's a lot of money to make and it's like well I mean why would you put your games on pc if that cuts into you being able to sell them? And create an ecosystem where you make a lot more money than you would on steam I guess you'd have to find out how many people who Are primarily playing pc Would have otherwise bought a nintendo console in order to play the games As opposed to they would play the games if it was on a system that they had And I think microsoft and sony kind of learned that Uh, probably a huge swath of pc players are not willing to dump Money into a console just for you know, maybe a game or two and it's better to just sell them the game But then it's different with nintendo because it's like nintendo makes a lot of first party games a lot Yeah, and it's probably more accessible to go to nintendo console. They're Cheaper and yeah, and they're happy for like 20 years at this point ever since the game cube They've always been like cheaper So i'm gonna say probably not but maybe 10 years is a long time for Money to be had I suppose. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't think so, but maybe but I find the way Returnal is finally on pc. Woohoo highly recommend it. I've seen a lot of people recommend this returnal Apparently, it's a good boy Maybe some returnal Uh, I do not know about this. What's it on is it on steam? It is Yeah, but it was a playstation before I've never heard of this at least I don't think I've ever heard of this a lot of recommendations for it So i'm curious about it I'll I'll go to steam and maybe wishlist it my hunch tells me she hulk was bad scrote too Reliable scrote right there was Trust your scrote The ant man, that's uh, that's a uh, that's a um, uh I can't believe what Sundry's brother um rock rock rock is that that's the thing he says right he talks about scrote. He does talk about a scrote. Yep. Yeah um That ant man rotten school off my ass off. Yeah Uh, makes you think uh It's real interesting when the score is low for a marvel film and they've been getting a lot of lately have noticed um I mean it seems it feels like a change in the wind uh, that's gradually happening over time. We'll see I don't think because I can't imagine guardians is going to get shouting in the same way. It's like gonna be a It's gonna be a movie that is probably going to have heart so Which is you know that that's that's uh, that's a big that's a big help isn't it? I don't want to move. Yeah, so It rags of the two designs of maverick hunter zero. Which do you think looks cooler the x series design or the zero series design Um, could you copy paste that into the text thing and I'll look that up All right, uh carry on and I'll look those up Uh, just wanted to point out that in the e-fab episode about dead space someone in chat said nicole is looks someone's a is grandma That is a Incredible english and you know what maybe she is someone's grandma. He was uh late 40s 50s, right? I mean, she's I mean if well tanya clark is 51. I think so She is Possibly a grandma. Good. Good. Damn. That's uh That's a gilth Uh fat garrel to fact fancast Oh It'd be good for fat garrel You gotta get that you gotta get someone with that build, you know Maybe joe rogan But like he's gotta obviously he's got to get out of shape a little bit But uh, I just I feel like that would be really funny. That's all Because yeah, I didn't mean to imply that joe rogan is fat I just meant it'd be funny if he was he was that role Every cavill in a fat suit. Yeah I have uh Charles dads I think I have an answer on the uh the metro or sorry the maverick hunter zero This seems to be like a mega man thing. So I'll give you I believe this is the um X Series I think it's kind of hard because the way they type it Is a little bit confusing and I think this is the zero series I think um the naming the way that this is named like Maverick hunter zero X series or zero series means I would type like zero twice, but I I'm I think this is what they're referring to Uh, um, and if that's the case, I think I prefer the top one The x series Um, I don't like the boxy shoulder pads and I don't like the green nipple things And I I don't like even I I don't like how the In general how big the feet are I don't like that Let me have green nipples on both of them But one has one Oh, no, it has two. Oh, it does have a little one. This is a little nip back there. Uh, still I think I'd go with the first one I think it is more I guess bubbly or curvy in a way. Um, however While I was perusing I think I found actually one that I like a little bit better than both I I prefer I prefer this one I think that looks better I think it looks a bit more, um Overall cohesive in terms of a design Uh, I like that the the hands and the feet aren't Comically large even though they technically are but not so much as the other one I just I I just think I just like this one the most Um, I just kind of like it. That's the one I prefer whichever one that is Uh, yeah, so yeah, there you go Where did you train on a farm? A framic classic from a classic character Um, have you played or heard of squares hd 2d games octopath travel 1 and 2 triangle strategy Live alive live live live live live alive remake and if so, what do you think of them? Um, I've heard of octopath traveler, but I don't I'm not really familiar with any of these games I am afraid What if any of you guys are nope I've played them Octopath well here you go But that's the one that had that really cool. Um, yeah the art style. I remember is being really neat. Um So bravo for that Raxi take back your bolt action rifle statement. No, I don't Bolt action rifles are virtually obsolete That's what I saw in comments. I found interesting There was someone breaking down big time about guns and someone I didn't realize I read that But I don't agree with it. Oh, well, I was just gonna go to the part where it's like he Joel does not have his rifle after he uses it in the in episode four. I'm not sure why He takes in him. Uh, he puts it in the safe house He doesn't have ammunition for it Not that rifle. I'm talking about the the second rifle The um Where does he lose that, um, he should have it after the There's anyone say highlighted that I realized that happened He uses it when when he crashed the car those two guys Yeah, um, and then we don't see him with it again until he picks up the The one with the optics from the old man It's strange. You think he'd quickly grab the guy's shotgun or the other guy's rifle I guess they're trying to say they're you know, they were stressed out and of course with You know Ellie having to kill the guy and they were trying to leave as quickly as possible But still grab it and go. Um, so I I would say that that's a flaw. He should be I mean, there's there's his rifle. There's one like in that room. There are three long guns Yep, take one of them Yeah, no, I agree with that. Yeah, um, I hadn't even thought about it. I uh completely forgotten That his gun was gone, I guess because the next time he's in a fight so to speak it is uh with a rifle My My opinion on bolt action rifles is uh, so on my birthday um friend and I went out to go do some shooting And we primarily shot two Long guns One of which was my arsenal ak 74 It had a four-time sight on it and he had a um, I think it was a ruger american ranch And it was like tricked out all the way. It had a really nice scope on it It had an excellent suppressor on it. We were shooting subsonic ammunition with it So we're talking like best case scenario for what a bolt action rifle could be essentially like you could shoot this without hearing protection Um, it was it was really really nice And just the sheer amount of firepower difference Is is really staggering Um, there there's there's just a reason that armies don't issue semi-automatic or sorry bolt action rifles to people anymore Like yeah, I know they're they're neat and they are cool and they are definitely cool But if if I'm in bill's compound and I'm leaving and I'm bringing one gun It is going to be some sort of a self-loading weapon. It's not going to be a bolt action Um, I've seen people fighting over that quite a bit. Um, I've only got you to defer to at this point I give up. I I've seen so many arguments and I'm talking like 17 in favor and against And so I'm just like You guys hash it out about the guns Um, because there's still a lot of people there's still people in chat right now trying to argue that bolt actions are definitely, uh There's a reason to take them over If you I mean in in very niche cases, but I would almost guarantee that like technically bolt action rifles are And they're in the upper limits of it. They will be more accurate than a Like a semi-automatic weapon will be just by the way the way it seals however I think that the differences between those two are going to be so minute uh that The shooter skill is going to be way more of an issue than that difference in accuracy And the ability to like if you had like let's say that the the guard that he took the gun from Let's just say it was an m4 carbine, right? Just the sheer amount of firepower difference between that and a bolt action is going to be totally different. Um That you'll want to be able to if you need to put more lead down range um But I don't know what Joel was thinking Wouldn't be my choice Because because remember like he has to he has to shoot once and then he has to work it and then you know in between shots You know, you you can't stay, you know aim down the site and everything. It's There's a reason we don't use them anymore, uh essentially so But yeah, I wouldn't be yeah chat park says it's mostly for the tie into the game. It probably was just crazy, huh? It's like There's so many different opinions flowing in in all different ways. It's uh interesting to read them all about Guns guns guns guns Somebody even asked why I put a four time scope on an ak 74 wouldn't a red dot or two times be better option for the range style The gun is uh, no, uh Ak's are not inaccurate, especially in ak 74 and this is also an arsenal. It's a really good one Uh, we ended up shooting like 110 yards or so with it And I was like nail and shit at that range with this ak 74 and with this four time site so I don't know this idea that it would be better with a shorter thing is I don't know. Um Also, it's got irons on it. So I don't know Uh fringy at least how does ant man compare to phase four? Uh, it is phase four. It's just a continuation of all of the same problems the same kind of shitty writing really poor production um It's the it's just a continuation of of uh Of the norm nothing's changed. It was as arbitrary as we thought it was the distinction between these phases Yeah, I'd say you'd say it fits right and Oh, it's oh, yeah, it's right at home with the rest of phase four Fuck mary killed boogie movie blob and wings I'm pretty sure we've been asked this before. Yeah, whatever whatever answer we gave I assume it's the same unless new information would change your mind, but I'm not privy to that information So I should make a podcast do it guys. Absolutely and call it um um Chunky monkey Probably enough we'll actually be getting to that uh, so what does super chat about it? Also super chance for dead space. Uh, those are recorded. They will be out. Um, at some point, obviously I try and space them out So don't just flood you guys But uh, yes, those are done. Um This time you'll scream. I will find her Yeah, he will. All right. It's for super girl. Yeah Uh, quickly super chat. I know someone said I know ak's are accurate by the 74 the ak 74 fires are smaller round than the ak 47 I was asking why choose a site that is more for distant shooting when the 545 doesn't reach out as far So I think you have just a misunderstanding of the way that these rounds are Are used So ak 74 shoots a hefty one it shoots a 7.62 by 39 millimeter bullet Which here, let me get let me get it on screen. So and a little comparison here 762 by 39 Versus 5.45 that should auto fill Um to give you a little bit of a difference here. Put them side by side copy And paste so you can sort of see Now the 5.45 by 39 is on the left 7.62 by 39 is on the right You can instantly see the difference between the two right the bullet on the left flies much flatter and much farther And it also has a lot less recoil So if you're going to be shooting at long distances the 5.45 by 39 is going to be easier to shoot with It technically has less energy when it gets to the target But it's going to be a lot easier to shoot long distance with it Whereas the 7.62 by 39 has a bit more A heavy quote stopping power for everything that that means So, uh, that would be why that's your answer there. You're shooting further. You generally want a faster lighter bullet Uh Uh favorite breaking bad episode also high racks Hello Am I gonna be boring? Yeah Boring is true a fucking episode's great Obviously a lot of huge payoffs happen in it a lot of things have been built up forever, but uh, I just think everything is The harmony in that one acting is top-notch the way everything rolls out big fan of uh All the character work obviously and just um the handling it in both writing and direction. Yes. Yes indeed the direction is really good Yes Johnson directing Don't hate the show as others the action scene in episode five seems like complete nonsense Where do the zombies come from if the zombies can burrow through Burrow through concrete. No, no, no The the big old van thing it explodes and so it like fucks up all the concrete below And the yeah, like sink You can you can see how it sort of sinks down into the um into the ground after it explodes It probably opens up a tunnel. Yeah, and then they come on out of it Yeah, and then uh, obviously they said before Like whatever sewer systems that are beneath Kansas City, like it's filled with infected basically So that amount of noise the awareness related to the network element of the um Aboys I imagine that yeah, they uh, I mean that all seems to follow to me a lot of people were saying is very convenient um I just it just felt like uh you have They want to kill them and as a result Joel shoots them they Fuck up and get blown up Then that'll it's infected that'll that'll seems like cause an effect to me Because uh, at first it crashes into the house right and it seems kind of chill But it's uh, obviously whatever fuck up that they crashed into it Does the thing with fuel sparks whatever have you and then boom Yeah, as for yeah as for its convenience, um Like I said, I don't know if that should be considered That's like an event result of an event result of an event result if you know what I mean Yeah, it didn't just happen randomly. Um, it did happen as a very direct result of other things that are happening and were set up um As for its convenience, um Yes, and no, I mean ultimately it gets sam killed Yeah, that's that's that's why I struggle with con convenient uh contrived and henry is uh, you know So it essentially gets henry and sam are killed as a result of that um As our uh, yeah, I don't know I don't think I have an issue with it because it doesn't happen out of nowhere And it was set up in the previous episode that there are yeah, there there are uh infected underneath the city So That's why I said Aren't those all contrived though like the things we just said it's like well, they all follow from previous action Yeah, consider we knew from the last episode infected were beneath the city um That fedra used to be keeping the um The infected at bay and now that they've been overthrown, then it's been What what was it about like how many days very long? Has been very long, but who knows if that's you know, how long the gap is um They you know, they all the reasons why the truck was there and why joll was there. There was all reasons for that So i'm i'm fine with it. I think it was all set up decently Uh majority of the clickers clickers are very sensitive to noise. It's a literal explosion So they all get drawn to that so you can imagine after the explosion They're all sprinting to that area in the sewer from the echoes or whatever That gives just time for characters to have their little back and forth And then once they all get there and the network is is app and running. It's just like yeah They all arrive as a big hoard. I don't jump in their cars and fleet dude. They were coming out real quick Yeah, they didn't think it was a problem until they start surprised It's uh the truck falls in and to be honest with you I'm not I'm sure that's a better idea than aiming your guns And preparing to shoot them which they do and and I actually really like that about it Is that they gun down many of those things? Yeah, they just got overrun by him coming out on that one Eventually they have to start rewinding. Yeah, there's too many of them And they're too close that hole and the distance between them and the hole was really short They didn't have a lot of time to you know, put the range of the guns to too much use and Honestly, we don't know how many survived Okay, so A bunch of infected come out real quick And then as you're running away, they get to you and kill you or alternatively you can try to shoot them And then they won't get to you. Yeah, just feels like there's too many of them If um if that was the options presented, uh, I would can very heavily consider as like I think we should gun them down Uh, especially when you do have as much firepower as they do. It's just there's a lot of them Thankfully they don't react to the gunfire They run towards the people with the guns and eat them. So I'm not sure what well I just if you rewatch the scene they are gunning many down The the clickers are getting gunned down. Um, but there's just so many of the muscle Then you have them shoot and retreat do both. I thought people said get in their cars. You said get in their cars Not you specifically but someone dead. Yeah Backwards and shoot many of them do They'll catch you though anyway because the whole thing with the infected is that there are a lot of Overrides that make them do things that an average person couldn't do even with like adrenaline Like they'll just keep running until they like fall down from exhaustion, right from them like getting so tired Watch the scene plenty of plenty of them the fact that they try to do running and gunning It's just it's just I don't see how that's gonna be like help you that much the clickers are spreading Funny enough, you should mention that literally and the and the shooting trip I'd mentioned earlier Um, my buddy was he was he had a he had a pistol Uh, it was really nice It was a little suppressed 22 with a red dot on it and he was walking towards the target and shooting and I remember him saying Damn, it's hard to shoot when you're walking. It's like, yeah It's it's it's it's hard Hard to shoot when you're moving a lot more if you're running and shoot. This isn't call of duty It is not call of duty. Yeah, and actually in call of duty You can't shoot while you run and when you're walking and you're aiming down your sights It goes all over the place even call of duty recognizes that if you're moving and shooting at the same time You've got to be really inaccurate Well, yeah, that's the thing I feel like a lot of people could say they did the smartest thing which is all of you stay still aim focus Shoot as soon as you see the targets. There were too many of them Yeah, it was it was kind of ideal for the zombies in that sense Well, yeah, and of course as was highlighted before there was a present problem But Kathleen was more fixated on getting Henry that she was neglecting to deal with what could potentially be a huge problem And the consequences were it got everything destroyed. Yeah, and I mean someone could say like that's stupid It's like that's on character. That's who she is. She's she's fucking vengeance fueled Yeah, if um if It's in the dark ish The zombies come out that close to you and in a massive horde suddenly that's kind of you know That's how they get you if this was if they were at the end of the street It probably would have been a whole different story But when they're that close, you know, and we don't know how many people escaped I mean, it's very likely that some of them in those cars that were running them down They were just like fuck this it's over and they drove away Um, um again, like I said, we'll be drifting in and out a lot of us. Someone said why didn't she kill Henry? I assume you're referring to the fact that she pulls her gun on him aims and then doesn't pull the trigger If you watch the scene he's struggling She's even tearing up about it and then the the truck starts to fall into the hole Which is actually how it ended up with the doctor in the previous episode She's not quite Uh comfortable with just executing people But when she gets angry when she refocuses on like the whole this is unjust stuff She she finds it much easier and this scenario she just explained how she's gonna be killing his kid as well But yeah, she doesn't just do it instantly. She has trouble with it But obviously they all get distracted by the the truck falling in the hole There's a lot of them including Joel seem to realize. Oh fuck That Might be something that's really bad When the convenience be that the truck exploded above something that it can open up or are these tunnels basically ever under the city? Well, I mean it seems like it right there in a residential area like if there's networks there I can believe that there'd be tunnels there. They all suburb, right? Mm-hmm. That's big explosion And it would be eaten away. I imagine while it's It's um the fire starts up and the fuel thing is that the explosion is like a huge noise that would attract all of the infected Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ground It's not just the noise Yeah, and the rumble that's right because remember clickers and stuff use echolocation as uh We were When I was shooting with my friend we we bought tannerite Um in america you can buy explosives off the shelf Uh, you mix it together And it comes in these plastic jugs and then when you shoot it with a fasten of bullet it makes it go like And you you don't just hear it, but you feel the little The little you know explosion wave Uh, so yeah, so imagine that with a big old truck like that going off Yeah, it's gonna rumble and people are people are gonna notice Well, so again, it's the important parts of trying to think about conveniences contrivances and stuff like that one of the main things is consequence Um, well, it's twofold, right? What was the cause and what was the consequence? We know what the cause is And the consequence was still really negative for the characters. Anyway, I guess the best you can say Probably all gonna die anyway. So like in a sense it kind of saved Joel and ellie It's like I mean I guess but they had to work really hard to get out of that situation So it wasn't like and and there was a huge cost as well imagine Yeah, imagine how the scene could have unfolded if right before Kathleen shoots Henry Joel shoots her Yeah, could you imagine what what kind of chaos would that have caused everyone probably would have been like they would have not at all Caired about Henry at that moment. They would have been like, oh shit. Someone's shooting at us and just killed Kathleen We got to get behind cover and figure out what's going on I think funnily enough, uh, they'd sent four men to go get Joel But obviously they don't make it to the house before the zombies happen and I think they turned back That's what actually boxes in uh, henry and sam and ellie I think you're right. Yeah, because I saw people saying why aren't they running? Why aren't they running and it's like well, first of all, you've got an army of people with guns and they are behind a car There's just risk in getting shot, which is very much what uh team rebels team Kathleen would probably do But post that yeah, they are kind of surrounded at that point Um, it's pretty chaotic situation. I find it weird that it'd be like just run It's like where there's there's people with guns and infected all over the place um Yeah, and and uh, I don't know they could I'm I suppose it is our job to sort of go through a lot of these things like uh, I saw Comments saying like how in the world did henry and sam figure out what floor uh, Joel and ellie were on They were following them pretty damn close. So if you picture, um, this is all stuff that I think you're supposed to sort of Just assume happened because why wouldn't it? Joel and ellie are heading up the stairs. They even have light sources And then henry and sam are at the bottom. They look up you can see the light source Slowly move up While they're moving up and keep an eye on the light source as soon as it's gone Be like right you can probably vaguely guess at what floor that was when you get up there start checking the floors Real quick and then you stumble across some broken glass and you're like, ah Uh, look at this. It's it's pretty simple Yeah, um, but I saw people being like yep because the right's fucked it up. It's like no I don't I don't see what and and if you remember It's really easy to infer a good faith read of how they found them. Like it's real easy. It doesn't take a lot of work Joel was fucking exhausted going up those floors as well. It's slow Henry and sam are not and uh, henry stamp. Yeah, exactly And again, that's just something that's consistent about him. They show him getting tired a lot when uh You know when he's running around and stuff um Oh, yeah, so uh, watch the damn inside the episodes for the last of us They're actually interesting also love you. Oh Uh, I haven't watched any of those either of I but I've heard a couple people in chat been saying it Uh that the blota was practical with the cg touch ups Ah, yes, there was a trust all behind the guy in the suit. There's a lot of practical here I was weird too in chat. Well, Joel exhausted xd now you said a lot of silly shit during the uh the premier buddy But that's a pretty that's a pretty ridiculous Like going up what how many flights of stairs? Did they go up 33 floors? I think it was Well, yeah, and he's 56 man Walking up 33 like oh, sorry. I forgot. He's also on 36 hours of awake time That's right. Yeah, man. I don't know. I don't know what to say Sorry, Joel isn't a superhuman I guess That should be tiring for anybody running upstairs Or just walking up stairs It would be tiring for like a fully trained firefighter going up 33 flights of stairs I don't know. Somebody wanted me to go outside Some of you need to like go out and like walk. I don't know. It's just it's just If if that's not a justification for being tired I just want just go downtown to whatever city or anything and find a staircase in one of the many buildings that are likely around and just walk up 30 story walk up 10 Walk up five and then Get a get a backpack and fill it with uh 20 pounds of stuff and then walk up a staircase Geez That should not be tiring for anybody is the point. None of our other characters were huffing. What the fuck? Oh fuck off. I I I like how we can't assume not tiring for anybody and got up there. They might have paused to catch their breath Like we don't assume that that might have happened That doesn't make you immune to listening to noises. So people are interesting People can notice different things depending on where their mind is at at any given time You're actually not There's a whole bunch of like stimuli that's making its way to you like sight sound and smell and stuff like that A lot of it is going unnoticed You ever notice how like when you go out if you live in the city you go into the country You're almost struck by how quiet it is at night Conversely if you spend some time in the country come back into the city and then you go to sleep And you're like man, there's like a lot of cars like I could just hear that People just notice different things depending on where their mind is at the time The question is can I believe that Joel on no sleep really tired? Didn't hear like people who were carefully following him. Yeah, I can believe that He's not even that great. He's they say his hearing isn't that great. He has one bad ear So like it's even he's actually got worse hearing than the average person You remember Henry and Sam noticed it in the hallway. Not even in the room. It seems like a bit of cope right here I don't know dude. People are huffing in sand Why we I can totally believe that Henry and Sam managed to sneak up there And get them and and cast them by surprise. I can believe that that's not unreasonable And then to say like nobody else was exhausted. It's like so the comparison is two children and a guy who is like I mean, Henry seems to be like 100 150 200 pounds area. He's very much slower too That too because if they're looking at every floor not knowing if that's the one they stopped at They're probably going to be taking it really well had a good night's sleep Compared to Joel like I don't know what's happening. I don't know why anybody would they're Though to be fair like there were I was I was baffled by how many people as to a sound like bella ramsey isn't a good actress I don't know how like you can have the performances in four and five and be like Yeah, you know, you're not really selling me on these emotions that you're feeling I mean, she's crying like that alone. How many Those kind of the point I was trying to make in the episode Even like crying, you know on command excluding whether we individually Sort of let people know we believe Like the performance which is all on us to say I feel like she's passed all the metrics that we could possibly generate You've represented different emotions and she nailed it when she was pushed to an extreme Crying equals acting xd. Is that a meme or like like you're memeing right? Some of you are like Some of you are incredibly Somebody I'll need to fucking show She's doing well Like especially in terms of the range of emotions over the last couple of episodes in particular From just like very sort of playful happy scenes to these incredibly like tragic Scary moments as well. It's like, I don't know. There's there's some of that There's a lot of uh range there within that character I've seen people say Pedro Pascal is not a good actor either which blows my mind Can't believe that people say that He was amazing in the fucking Wonder Woman movie Yes, he was Obviously Yeah, narcos as well The imbearable way of massive talent people should check that out if they haven't Yeah Yeah, these are I just don't want to I can't do anything with these arguments like I don't know man It's cope you like people saying we're coping in favor of the show. You're coping against it. All right We have all these references. We have all these arguments all these observations all these accurate descriptions of the show And then people are like Different representation and like guys I don't Some of you guys man, some of you guys have got to get your brain cleansed of the mind that is the culture war That's really weird because uh, a lot of people I saw the sentiment that like wow You've taken away the chance for the actor to even deliver these lines now and uh, I think I was gonna call you freaky when we were like I think I said Charlie Cox got stripped of an opportunity to deliver performance because he has to do like the sort of blind eyes Kind of like the very still eyes It's like, you know what it's interesting. Also. I'm pretty sure the the kid who plays uh, sam is actually deaf Yes, nothing Um, regardless even if he wasn't deaf It's like You understand that like you applying certain restrictions on an actor can like just enable them to do more Like unique things that you wouldn't typically be able to do if you can't talk It's all got to come through in body language facial expressions. Yeah, his eyes It's a restriction that enables Uh new acting opportunities basically It's um, it's really weird because we're supposed to Advocate for how even if you have a masked up character, you can still use strong expression Guys can't be agreeing with me when I when I'm ranting about halo and taking off the helmet You can't agree with me on that and then simultaneously be like now. I'm not saying you guys are doing that But I'm pretty sure yeah, there are a couple of people. It's like yeah It's it's uh, it's like takes away their ability to convey it through dialogue It's like there's other ways of conveying information than just dialogue And we're big fans of dialogue on efap But there's other ways too Yeah, and I I was really happy with both the actors for henry and sam I think they did great considering they only had an episode uh to fully Realize those characters and like people say like it's uh making him deaf is pointless like I mean It not only does it have purpose in the show It has repercussions like the the way that they communicate with that board And you get that payoff of sorry from ellie and one of my regrets is we didn't talk more about that in in the initial coverage But to be fair that it's we We are literally having minutes to absorb a think about it But um, I think it's just an interesting dynamic on henry and sam's relationship The way that they talk the way that they you know interact with one another generally I know the fact that henry knows his brother is deaf and has to is the first one to react to noises and then Confirms it with sam and how they communicate and how you know How ellie kind of communicates with him as well not knowing you know the sign language and stuff it's Like I just like don't you think it's just a kind of interesting that we sort of get that little dynamic Even if we were to say it adds nothing to the show Like let's just say it adds nothing to the show whatsoever like don't you think it's a little They just need that we get something a little bit different as opposed to the 99.99 percent of characters in fiction who can hear Maybe Maybe we get maybe get one that isn't you know exactly the same as them all You know it works for us just you have to present why it's an issue before we can concede It's an issue and I don't see anything that could be highlighted other than I mean the main complaint I've seen people say is that it's clearly there for like esg points or something which But I need an in universe reference. What has it done to the story to make it worse esg esg Yeah, it's something to do with like the more representation you have the more Approval you get and some I don't know enough about it my but I'm not saying it's not a real thing. It could very well be Why they did it or why not? But I don't If have tries to do the whole like we take it from in universe. So you have to tell us like What the downside of having and be Uh deaf in universe to the story. What's the detriment? That's what we need to know Well, I mean there are deaf people who exist. So yeah, I guess we found out that um People saying why is he deaf? It's like why isn't he? I don't know. Why is anybody anything? If someone said why um, you know in arcane for example, why is uh, Caitlyn a lesbian or something. I should be like, um, I don't I don't know. Why isn't she? Yeah, let's just take this a step further. How come henry and sam are black. What does that add to the show? Kind of a good question. Why what do we I mean? When is this how it's like? What are we doing though because people don't tend to say that for characters white like why are they white? Well, I guess some people do now Can we just talk about the stories, please? That's all I want. I was going to talk about the writing and the characters So yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with with all these choices as long as they don't detriment the story And I don't think any of these have so far I don't know as I just like people need to fucking calm down like everything It's it's legitimately getting like with the dead space stuff the dead space stuff. It was fucking ridiculous and silly And it was like it was like fucking hell. Am I gonna be so blackpilled that like everything is fucking well like using Using a character, you know having the voice actress act the character is at woke now Like fucking hell some people just this brain rot has got to be cleansed. We have got to chill out It's like we got oh, there's a gay couple. Do do do do. Oh a deaf character Oh, if I can a bathroom sign I'd like to throw in I When when someone says I like Isaac's got a bad design because he looks like a generic white man That that is terrible has an argument and it's also racist Can we stop I don't like it. I've just never been compelled by these arguments in either direction like So, you know, hopefully that's helpful in terms of like we need um, we need the universe stuff. Give us the universe stuff Is like in a nutshell, they've successfully shifted the overton window for many You know, if that means that we get the occasional deaf person in media, you know, maybe that's not so bad Sorry, like what do you want me to say? Like is it literally that you're just not allowed to have deaf people Well, I saw someone someone in chat didn't say like the deaf agenda lol. This is like, I think you're okay Like I don't I don't think there's no I don't think the deaf propaganda or something like you'll be fine You'll be all right Like they get to exist or something I don't know guys just fucking chill like this I don't know It can't be a straw man if it doesn't apply to you if somebody And also if it was said that it's not a straw man, is it? Yeah, don't worry. We're referencing thing we've seen We're not we're not making. Yeah, I'm I ain't saying nothing that I haven't already seen It's for um oftentimes for account benefits that I don't apply a name to it Oversighted it's it's it's it's more oversighted than ad hominem I'm so sick of people saying straw man when it's when it's not literally shit people say Somebody has said it first and foremost It's an actual argument and if it doesn't apply to you then why are you saying straw man if you didn't say that? Yeah, it's it's not anyone who thinks that we're talking about you when you haven't said it Don't you worry not talking about you, but it did happen and what I'm referencing I found funny when someone said the deaf agenda in chat. They were responding to that person But there's no need to name a person. It's fine. Don't worry about it. I'm just interested in the arguments. That's all Um But it's something interesting as well That just came in and said by making sam deaf they make it so henry is his gate to the world He doesn't know about kathleen. He's oblivious and he's just a child who wants to play The really interesting idea that all of sam's information comes directly from henry and henry will Change reality like one of the good examples they show is um Sam said what's going on and he says uh, they're gonna help us escape and he looks at them goes right Like well even the final in the end when kathleen was in the street about to shoot henry Sam had no idea what they were saying Yeah, that's the thing. He often looks a bit like confused and then henry will feed him a world that's a lot kinder than the reality um We Uh when spring uploading his ragnarok vods was way into watch those on youtube when I saw him uploading 2018 on cosmoronic Yeah, sorry. Drag my feet on that. I'll get on to it I think uh The main thing is I just need to compile part one and two together because I had like the string crash pathway So I'll just need to throw them in like vegas Splash them together and I'll throw them up Sorry, I'm the boy um Ellie thought it blood was medicine because she as a child a character represents the childish innocence that is worth saving in this broken world theme I wasn't I'm not even making a theme. I think that's fair But I would just say it's it's in character for her to do anything She can do desperately to save sam because she knows that as soon as joel finds out he's dead Yeah, um In what she knows, you know, if she thinks that her blood is like a cure or something then I don't know The idea that her putting the blood on the wound might do something. I mean Who knows she's probably having a really tough emotional time right there. Is she being purely rational? No, I don't know if I'd be purely rational. I mean if that was you Like what do you think you do and then think is that what I'd actually do? um, I think a lot of the times people tend to Forget how impactful stress and a lack of time can be if you like imagine I'm having an emotional attachment to someone like that and then You know, I then actually, you know, try to put yourself in that situation and it's totally different What should people sometimes make choices that if they were given more time to ponder it They'd be like, oh, that's probably not going to do anything or that's not going to work or maybe this is a bad decision People make bad decisions when it comes to Like the relevant part is are they in character decisions? Are they something that you believe that that person would do? Do I believe that ellie would like with her limited understanding of like how everything works Make some attempt to try and save sam even if it's like misguided Because she knows what will happen if she tells joel. It's like, yeah, I can believe she'd do that Yeah, consider and I'm not saying you're I'm not saying you or anyone else is doing this But consider that you are sitting in a place of safety and leisure Judging the actions of people who are under incredible emotional and uh, it's stressful duress so, um Just just consider that Completely unbelievable worse rewrite so far. Are you like again? Are you memeing or like are you serious? Well, I thought this was funny your defense of cathly not shooting hedry and sam right there was weak It's like so counter it Yeah, it's bad because we hear this a lot. He's bad. It's it's worse than the game as well It's just like when someone says it's cope. It's like yours is cope like cool. Now. We're not getting anywhere Got a counter And then I can you're under hyping it you're under hyping it Yeah, when someone said when you were 14, did you guys think mixing blood wouldn't be dangerous? I don't think most 14 year olds have any clue that blood is like I think there's like a component being forgotten here Even if she knows mixing blood is dangerous if she believes that she can cure him with it Um, that saves his life Like yeah, so what i'm getting at is if I was told say there's an unconscious rags on the floor dying of some Blurred disease and I've got immunity to it and they tell me you're gonna have to mix your blood with his And we don't have any way to do this scientifically beyond just fucking doing it and it'll save his life Then yeah, I'm gonna do it. I know the dangers of blood mixing, but if I believe that'll save him Yeah, I'll take the risk, of course Kathleen wanted to kill henry. She had henry on her side. She could have killed him, but she didn't I like how that doesn't account for any of the explanation that molla provided of what was happening in the scene at the time You can't present those arguments independent reference from molla presented. You need to counter those ones So the initial argument was Kathleen wants to kill henry. She had him. Why didn't she kill him? My response was she struggles to pull the trigger with the doctor She does have a strict problem with just outright killing people But she can drive herself up to do it and as she's thinking about it. She does everything very slowly She's staring at him and then she gets distracted by something behind her and then that's it And your response was the initial argument Yeah, you've just repeated your argument. You haven't done anything else Let me know when you uh update it so to speak Uh Rags in the last of us episode five the soldiers all have m4s with the acog sites despite the apocalypse starting in 2003 They should have long barrel m16 a4s with iron sites as was the standard then great show otherwise I had considered that. Um, I was thinking earlier on if the apocalypse was in what 2003 Yep, was it if the apocalypse is in 2003 should they have m4s and you know What kind of sites would they have on the rifles? But I because I kind of just forgot what they had so there might be a lot of validity to that as a complaint um Because I don't think uh Uh So the import carbine was It's the us army acquired a total of 500 000 m4 carbine since the m4 series was introduced in 1993 So I don't it seems like the m4 would be around But uh, yeah, I don't I don't think that would be an issue. Let me look at the acog site But why are we doing that? Hold on? There are in this That you would tear apart if it were a star wars movie the last of us must be a blind spot for you Just provide one and then we might be Yeah, uh, tell us what we missed we might be correct because uh Yeah, the the the trigicon acog was first introduced in 1987. So there'd be there'd be some out there Um Potentially I think that it's I think it's okay. It looks like the dates on some of these check out But uh, I mean you do see a bunch of people with um Like uh, like just with typical bolt action rifles and hunting shotguns and things like the three people who were in the ambush In episode four. I think two of them had bolt actions and one of them had a shotgun pretty Pretty traditional hunting slash civilian firearms. It seems like all the military guys have the more Uh military grade hardware. So I think that checks out. Um, but that was just from a quick Quick little google glance, but I think that checks out but it's a decent question to raise Yeah, uh, the argument has updated. He said I'm talking about when they were behind the truck So the reason they don't unload on them while they're behind the truck is that would be a waste of ammo Uh, probably plus Kathleen is talking to them Not even probably there's no point in unloading and hoping they they would hit them if they all shot at the truck Eventually, but why do that compared to come out? I'll execute with one pistol bullet Yeah, if you're in with how much Kathleen seems to be interested and she's up front and she's talking to them You're gonna let the leader do the leaders thing. Yeah, and she also wants to um to make it clear to him She knows why he did it, but the it's fucked up to have done it There um, and she's not I I could see myself making that same speech to somebody Why did you decide that my brother's life is worth less than yours? And you know the answer, but of course you have to understand that Something else will happen as a result of that more than likely Six guys walk past the truck more they did and they would have come back then when the uh the infected arrived um Just seems reasonable. I don't know Because I'll be honest like a lot of this stuff didn't uh strike me as something we needed to explain I'm gonna be honest like so like that's why I'm kind of doing this stream as well It's like if there's any questions We can sort of wrap some things up Chat says something I agree with uh, would you not after chasing someone for that long when a gloat just a little before killing them? Like yeah, probably Yes, like I said, she wants him to know why Yeah, yeah, this is this is total vengeance speech here, right? This is just talking when you've got someone cornered It's probably right before as I said it annoys me about abby if I were abby We said this when we were covering last was too. I'd be like, why did you kill my dad? Tell me. Yeah, I would want to know I would need to know tell me why I need to know why Why did you do that? I need to know why she doesn't and you know Because if I tell you now that I have no closure on that and imagine she said why and Joel said because they were gonna kill Any maybe refers for that point is my daughter and they'd stolen everything from me and they told me that no matter what I do Like they're killing her Oh, I saw I saw that David. We're approaching huck's ignorance now. Oh, it's so attractive. I saw it Yeah, I mean that came up in uh that came up in the live chat as well If anyone was curious about the difference So when someone does something for an emotional reason that's not pragmatic It has to line up when you say that huck's is arrogant and that's why he didn't shoot them. That doesn't make sense If he was arrogant, he would shoot them You understand like It's so clear you're chasing someone for this long for an extremely personal reason for vengeance You would absolutely it would be totally normal for you to linger on that moment of victory To make sure that that person knows before they die. Oh, yeah, sorry. Why this is happening. I'm fine with huck's Announcing he's defeated them before he fires. That's fine with me in the tlj What I complained about was him choosing out of two targets target It was a ship or the planet the planet's not fucking moving. He shoots the planet You should have shot the ship This is pretty straightforward Um, and you know the the response that was he's arrogant. That doesn't even make sense Arrogance wouldn't make him do that. It's like, yeah, it's it's incongruent. It's like a non sequitur Meanwhile, um Yeah, you know if that she is vengeful and and spike driven towards this particular person And would basically want to draw out this moment to get answers and to derive some level of satisfaction from the power That she has over him. It's like, yeah, that all just seems pretty congruent to me The planet is moving every planet moves you are kidding me, right? You got to put cap and places after stuff like that otherwise I'm gonna like Everyone knows the earth is flat and stationary exactly Everything in space moves except the planet That's true. It revolves around us where the center of the universe and the ice wall holds all the water in everyone knows this Uh south park new episode starts randy was tired with her woke hollywood is and how it killed the marvel franchise No avatar to you sucks sounds familiar. We should watch that New season south park has started up It'll be funny sounds funny anyway. That will be fun. I've seen virtually no south park. I've seen like two episodes Yeah, I've seen like it's kind of like the simpsons um futureama South park like all those shows. I just have barely actually seen any I've gotten a lot you catch a lot of snippets just through it being in popular culture references memes and things But just sitting down and actually watching it. I've seen I've seen very very little Um, hey, efab, did you guys check out sitch and adam show last night? They had a debate with organized chaos an actual fandom and they said a lot of bs They also said that you guys would not debate them so, um in case anybody was curious we ran Uh, we we ran a policy and it's been edited over time as does with all policies I think at first when we started if I was like welcome one and all we will debate all And then eventually it was like Actually, okay, we won't we're not going to do it with people who have mental issues of any kind You probably know what episode this was prompted really early on But we realized like oh, shit. Okay. No, we're going to avoid people that we think are a little unhinged people have like hyper bad faith people are uh, who are There's a risk of something happening if they were to talk to us So we don't do that we then then um, it was like a year or two ago that we uh had covered different people We saw different things and we were like oh another one to add is if people are Saying things about us with the deliberate intent of trying to talk to us like that's their goal Then we're not going to entertain it Like they have no other goal than to just try and get a step up the ladder or to try and just get to us to You know to say whatever Yeah, some people are Insanely bad faith and they only want to score points and try to get clips and stuff and they're not interested in really having a conversation so those people aren't really Good to have discussions with because there wouldn't be a discussion. I mean if you saw the organized chaos and Talk with was eric july Look, um, I all about all the power to everybody wants to Have the more me me discussions. I actually I respect the hell out of eric july and of course out of such a good friends of efap um Welcome to do is whatever they want. Uh, we Really really really want to have discussions that um are about like understanding and shit Back and forth. Uh, I feel like I don't need to justify this as as true with all of the the many times that we've not only had Really good conversations with people we've covered but also several of them have become contributors so to speak to efap um You know, we've had a few that go off the rails here and there, but like that's just not at all what we're trying to do Um, I know you guys would find it entertaining as hell. That's just not what we that's not our thing. Um I have seen clips Yeah, I some of the people say it's cloud farming is like, yeah Absolutely, like these people are like absolutely like the dregs of intelligence. Like they're just not capable of having discussions I want this to be made aware in isolation because I couldn't fucking believe it What I what I was made aware of this Of course, they've called us all of the the issonisms under the sun as is per usual um, apparently, uh, the other one not, um Not organized chaos he actual fandom. He called eric july a chunky monkey I can't believe I cannot pull like what in them Uh, no, I want I want people to understand We we are okay a lot of the time with some harsher more edgy jokes but that one I was like no fucking way because Do you not know? I and then we called me about a clown person. So when he clarified he said oh, oh, no, no I did that because I was trying to say he's fat it's like If anything, that's worse. You just made it worse man. That takes care of the that takes care of the first half sort of But like like jeez. Oh my god. And then he said I googled It's not related to races I googled it They confirmed that what I said wasn't racist google has my back I was losing it and then as if to not make the situation even fucking funnier. He said I I have friend I have a black friend who said it's it's not racist Okay, well if that's the defense that uh is okay, then uh, we'll make sure to bust that out whenever we need to Oh, yeah, yeah, and he said he was quoting iron You cannot see this wherever you can't pay for shit like that that is something you could only get from the kind of shit that uh Eric and adam and sish could get into but I couldn't fucking believe it. I thought it was so hilarious and it's so weird to be purity tested so hard by people who Do shit like that. You're like, hey, hang on. Isn't that like against all of your rules? But okay, it's fine. It's fine because you didn't intend um anything hurtful All right, like that was intended. Well, what I'm trying to get at is like I thought they were against fat phobia or whatever. Well, I mean I don't In any case, I thought the their rules forbade stuff like that and and to use the argument like my intention was this this this So it's okay. It's like you never care about people's intentions. So what is this? Like rules for the you know for me, I suppose Go check it out. I suppose if you guys want it, it's a fucking disaster and I'm fine with uh They can clown themselves on all shows if they really want to um It's uh, like I said big respect for for Eric to actually put up with he did like a three and a half hour conversation or something I was like, I don't know how you did that man Iron man pass and uh They do go to like angry blows at some point as well. Uh, I think The admins are just said to be the most disgusting people they've like talked to and that they they They worse than the people calling everything woke Because they go to bat and cover for those people The iron pass It's uh, it's a fucking weird world we live in but yeah, we're more than happy to just carry on covering Covering stuff like the last video games and stuff. Yeah, man. Yeah, we we got atomic hearts coming up soon Obviously Mando last of us. Mando's real close. Mando's two weeks away guys We got stories coming out the uh Coming out them season. Some of them is the pipe. Some of them is delivered kindly to our door anyway Reggie fills aim once said if a game is not fun, why bother this begs the question Does a game need to be fun to be worthwhile? Uh, that's certainly the nintendo sort of modus operandi But I don't think that that's a statement that should apply to like the whole medium because fun is kind of like a weird term Positive vibe and you would say like nintendo makes fun games. That's like what they do um, but like You know is uh is spec ops the line a fun game. It's like Not really. It's an engaging game. It's an interesting game But is it a fun game like is papers please a fun game? It's outline miami a fun game. It's like the dark is that fun Yeah Yeah, it's it's um if i'm being a little harsher I might go as far as saying fun is almost as useless as saying something's boring. Um, I have to be more detailed I know what he means. No, I know I don't know what that means But it because it's the quickest way to get across probably the idea of like Poor gameplay loop is uh satisfying because it'll encourage the player with these rules and they will have satisfying and Relative sort of results as long as their skill level is reached But there's a skill floor and ceiling for how well players can play but also a limit on how far things will go With regi's name written properly and you just misread it Uh, let me have a look it's right regi fees and may that's his name You write fills a me I think I said Oh, okay. Um, no, I've never heard that before so I've heard regi. You never Oh, okay. Well, yeah, it's ready for isn't it? I just I've always heard him called reggie. Yeah, I couldn't Yeah, he is reggie. He is he is just reggie. How much is nintendo paying you for a lot, right? I only know two reggie's I only know One reggie is alive and one reggie is dead. We have reggie the nintendo guy And we have reggie the pet snake are from indiana jones and The um What was the first one the arc of the covenant So are the well, what was the first one? I just couldn't remember the In the arc of the covenant, which is not in which is not inaccurate, but um, it's just funny Yeah, that's pretty inaccurate People are gonna say it's a bite moment when I remember the name of the fucking snake Yeah, that is a bite to remember the snake but not the movie Yeah, exactly. Um I think it was just funny It sounded like your brain was like, haha, not gonna give it to you like the name of the film But it knew it. It's just not gonna let you you're like reaching at a high shelf and it's like nope Um, this to the chat on efap. Thanks for the great content of high rags Oh, hello, and you're welcome very much. Glad you're liking it What's everybody's dream gun must be a real gun and price doesn't matter. Oh also favorite world war two gun and why? Um dream gun. I don't know. Um, if it's in terms of just simple historical value That would be a really difficult question to ask in terms of I don't know if I had to combine like historical value And my appreciation for it with maybe like the the fun of shooting it I don't know. It might be like, um I don't probably like uh, like uh one of the I want to sturmge there's from world war two Or something like that, you know something that's really it's really rare I always love the ppsh in all the games when I play with it. It seems like such a fucking crazy gun I like uh, I like the m1 grand. That's always been really fun. Yeah, those are those are definitely uh Pretty affordable. They made a bunch of them. Uh, so you can get your hands on those pretty uh pretty easy Um, you mean ng42 mg42 jeez. I can't even imagine just the ammo cost of putting For those eight millimeter mouser rounds through a gun that has like a 900 rounds per minute rate of fire fucking hell um Plus the belts you'd have to deal with the belts and that you'd have to make sure that you had all the the links for the belts on them That would be fun though And I don't think that um, I don't think they took I don't think they took magazines as mg42's, um, but I've never ever thought about what a Well, so the first question was the dream gun and the second one was like favorite world war two But they did say dream gun had to be real Yeah, that's right real and what's my I mean, I have no answer for you. I there is no dream gun I don't know. I probably I just want something mechanically satisfying. I guess um I definitely want that really cool like reload animation, but for real life Yeah, like um, look at how my brain is just video games. That's all I got That's my experience of video games too. I wouldn't mind the called m1911's right the the pistols just for the yeah, yeah Very very it feels like the quintessential pistol. I can't a gun. Yeah I mean spad 12 was really cool in modern warfare 2 It would legitimately be like is a good answer If you came across like a a 1911 that was in service in world war two that would be an excellent choice um, wait the model 1911 the the akimbo shotguns from modern warfare 2 The right way they were the 18 what they were the 18. Yeah The 1911 is dammit. I'm now my brains. Uh-oh. Whoops. I'm mixing them up. I'm confused I I might on ironically I would I think I would really probably enjoy having a It can shoot for anything Uh, a thompson or a grease gun would be really neat to have Oh grease gun would be that is interesting. Yeah, they shoot Uh, 45 acp and nine millimeter So you'd be able to get your hands on the ammo really easily Uh, and they'd probably be super fun Um, but yeah, it's uh, it he comes but not a gun Of course, I'd love to have a sturmgewehr. Um, maybe uh Yeah, I don't know. There's a whole bunch That would be interesting to have um Don't we got a season two? What a wonderful timeline we're in I've seen the theories that it was always having a season two that they likely have already made several episodes of season two And that this is just like that woman got a season two like The bizarre things have it a lot of people want to blame people hate watching it quote-unquote for this I don't believe it and I you can't convince me that hate watching it is actually encouraging people to go and fucking watch it for enjoyment That doesn't make sense I mean the the the the um In the ratio, I mean, there's no way that the amount of people hate watching it Is gonna be like most people Probably watch that show because they were just like normies legitimately curious about this weird velma show um Yeah, but yeah, I've never really given too much credence to the whole do not hate watch thing Especially if it only spreads the word on how terrible it is I'm just curious. Maybe there are a few people in chat who've done this, but Have you ever found yourself watching coverage of something? Being like man, I really want to see this in isolation. I'm gonna pay for that privilege Because I think it looks so bad that happened A lot because it just feels like it doesn't happen a lot at all and and I can't imagine that's outweighing the sheer Like unfathomable weight of the criticism being shoved at that show from everyone You know what I mean? Like like how could that? I have to imagine disbrew for example. He has taken away far more sales and views from velma than he could ever generate Surely you would think Because some people would be like, you know, you guys helped rings of power. I'd be like, did we I feel like we didn't help them Uh, here they were making a rush hour four and felt sad. Let's remember the good times What does he fap think of jackie chan's filmography and your favorites? I love him in like all of the movies he's in As for favorites, I did I kind of want to rewatch the rush hour trilogy A lot of people say the third one's bad I remember enjoying it, but I wouldn't mind finding out if it was like much worse than the others But the first two I think a lot more edgy and a lot more fun But those would definitely be up there. Um as for like Maybe focusing more so on his um his his martial arts, I guess, uh I'm not sure which one I would pick to be honest with you I think this is going to be one for looking at chat basically mentioning his entire filmography and all their favorites I guess you'd be picking based on uh The coolest action scenes meals on wheels has uh wheels on meals has like the really great fight scene near the end His fight with jet lee is legendary. How many times have they both been in a film together because it's more than once, right? I have any more than one film together. Yeah play stories are a common pick, right? Rumble in the Bronx. I've seen a few times ronkin master He's great in rings of power That was jet lee He was him not giving a fuck was hilarious unironically fucking hilarious Uh, I'm not too. I'm actually not that familiar with jet or jockey chan's film. Oh come through panda. He was in that Oh, he's monkey. Yeah, that's right Uh, but while you were chatting, I was just looking through the discord and someone had said man If I looked that good at 47 and I was like, yeah, I know, right Who do you say that but he's pretty generic white male? I would say I don't know How wait, how old is chuckie shan? I really want I'm not sure. I really want I was talking about uh, is it clark? Yeah, I I'm just really to say it to uh, right's face. Like I want to Say it because you look like a generic white man. It's like, okay And gonna right would just say well, you don't I mean, well I uh, uh, she's trying to I don't know if she's past she or he or they uh passing as uh, Female I think right now. Well trying to is in so gotta probably would say that Um Actually on 68 Uh, I guess that makes sense. He's been doing movies since like the 70s, right? And he better Better do everything he needs to do to keep making movies forever. Okay. Yeah Um Yeah, people will notice just ask ohio I'm sure that's right. Yeah, it's gone down on how that chemical thing that chemical explosion. Oh, I've heard about this Yeah, everyone dev released a video. I think like today about it Um, go watch short fado taku. He made a great video on the ohio chemical situation. So Okay, is what's the is there a gist of it? Oh Uh huge chemical potential chemical spill disaster Uh a train went off the rails And they tried to do a controlled essentially burn of all the chemicals Uh a lot of it on the train But because of the weather it kind of got trapped in the atmosphere when it they wanted it to disperse and now we could have a serious potential um uh chemical disaster on their hands around ohio and Uh that area Well, yeah, I'll check out his video. Um Yes Yeah, I always suggest everyone do that Just finish the watch through a buffing angel. There's a lot of bs, but it's etched a place in my heart Just wish particular character got to make it to the finish. Yeah, I think everyone does That's a that's a regrettable one So, yeah, I agree. Good stuff. I'm glad you enjoyed it Will you guys check out bench piers review of elosifus episode three? It's called broke back zombie farm Uh, I'll pass. I'm all right I'm all good. I'm all good Um be mad at neil philosophers too. Not the actors for fuck's sake People mad at the actors philosophers too Uh, well people I mean wasn't didn't uh, laura bailey like people like harassing her because she played abby I really like I said, I really hope people don't do that I'm pretty sure people also harass the uh, the like the model the face model for uh, abby as well It's like, why would you do that whoever gets cast as abby and for whether they're doing season two and stuff Yeah, I feel kind of bad for them. I do feel bad for them. They are There's so many fucking people on the internet who I know We'll just I mean after what we've seen like as good as the show's been so far and some people are just fucking Brain-rodded man. I do feel sorry for him Well, it's just people like What why was you harassed like actors and actresses for like playing a role in a Like remember remember when like they they they said this was a thing that happened to like rose tico and everything that actress And People did like like harasser. Yeah So I was like guys don't don't do the thing It's bad. Don't do this. I mean it's not controversial. Just be like, yeah, don't do that You would think it wouldn't be controversial. Yeah, I would think Mola once said you might revisit godzilla king of the monsters Would you guys be up for a monster versus arc except godzilla versus kong all its problems could fill a whole efeb episode Which I could contribute to I feel like this has been answered before but it might be one of the ones we haven't released yet But um, the answer is yes, I'd like to do a monster versus arc, but we would totally involve godzilla versus kong I'm looking forward to when we eventually cover that that movie apparently is perfect for efeb movies But it's wild Which movie sorry godzilla versus kong apparently it's Yeah, it probably is. It's probably really dumb, but that'll make for funny memes, won't it? Wrong fringy if information is not communicated through text. It does not exist. Ignore that me responding to what you said destroys my argument Uh, we're not wouldn't write if it only exists in text then uh, then what you said is uh, actually venerate your argument, right? I think I get what you mean, but I think you I think you got it back as though um Text like literally are like him writing stuff down like that the sam was writing stuff down on the pad and that was how he was communicating I legit saw maybe that's one of like um, you know, you've taken all his dialogue away And someone else was like he still has dialogue. What do you mean and like they legit were like it's not the same it's like He's still communicating It's not like why why is this so upsetting? I don't understand. I I don't get it Um I'm making sam deaf. They made it so henry. Oh wait. We read that one ahead of time Environmental social governance score Essentially corporations can get more money loaned to them slash invested in them based on following whole policies hence why companies can fail And it doesn't matter That's what esg stands for Is that like a thing that applies to film and television productions? Well, so part of the issue is I might skip ahead actually to a question that kind of regards this Um, so here we are Honest question if something is strictly put into a piece of media no matter how good it is because of esg Shouldn't we oppose it at all turns because esg is forcing overt political rhetoric slash messaging into art slash media Regardless if that is what the artist slash director wants So our take on this has been and will always be this goes back all the way to um I want to say 20s to 30s efap. Uh, when we were talking about Orse diversity the the concept of You have your story created and then they say you must make someone In here black when they're not or gay when they're not or blah blah blah when they're not we said back then i'll say now Uh, you shouldn't be doing that We are very against telling artists in any way shape or form what they have to do with their story because of uh sort of meta values and meta reasons and this goes not just in the form of uh race swapping or whatever have you but even including like I want more explosions in here put one there put one there put one there We always use that example with michael bay the easy one everyone's aware of it Or if if jj abram's back in the day anyway You might make different jokes today, but you've been like i want more lens players they got to go here and here and here and and like maybe the uh cinematography business like no no no that's gonna fuck up the goal of the thing He's like no do it if you don't have at least five more i'm gonna You know not give you the funny whatever i i don't like that with anything I let let the artist do what they want However, that obviously means that i'm still gonna judge the artist for the choices they make We are big in favor of keeping everything coherent But the coherence comes from what the artist is telling us is true In many forms So like it's not me imposing rules on them. It's me asking them to remain consistent to the rules that they've established themselves So that's kind of where we go with that so no i don't like it if uh If they say you should have uh You know Sam be deaf because that's better for that will give you more points and more funding for social whatever However, and we said this was forced diversity It doesn't guarantee the thing itself will be bad. We are against the practice of telling artists what to do But if they make the art and it's actually really solid Well that that that will judge that for what it is. We're happy to talk about the um The matter of all of this stuff, but I think the way to put it is a lot of time We don't know the truth behind all of this, but take a movie that's um Uh take top gun maverick for example Big uh big thumbs up to that movie. I haven't actually seen it, but as far as i'm aware Uh if you said there's a there's a female pilot in that right? Uh pilot s yeah, so No reason to assume this but if we found out through a leaked conversation The tom cruise had an executive shouting Down an enemy and saying you have to have a fucking woman pilot so that we can get more funding for blah blah blah I'd be like wow. That's a really bad practice. It doesn't make the movie bad though Like that, you know, they managed to implement it. Well Well, because remember like films store like games television shows are made under all manner of economic restrictions Restrictions based on like the preferences of executives or whatever the landscape is looking at market research and focus group testing and stuff like that and like something can be Subjects to all of those things that you know, we'd look at and be like well That's lame if it feels like the creative freedom is being restricted if they create something good What's like well, that's good, right? They're like two independent conversations Like the process by which was made in the actual outcome It must have some ways you could look at like a film Where like the production was a nightmare everybody was miserable while making it There was a lot of like mismanagement on set or like video games that are made under crunch We'd be like crunch was bad the game was good. They're like two different conversations That would be like an example. So you could look at you know practice versus the the art itself and um because like a lot of people talk about the production of um Like what am I why am I that what was that film the one that's like famously horrible And it had like one of the lines right the uh, I think so you can directly compare that with um um like apocalypse now Uh, as like they both have these horrifying productions But one created this incredible long-lasting film the other one created a film that people love to cover for funnies Like because it's so bad which movie I didn't hear it when Fringy said it said it. Oh, I forget that I don't know what it called the island of something right Dr. Murrow. That's the one the island of dr. Murrow. Yeah That's what I was thinking of Sorry, oh you the one of the lion I thought he had lines in that film as well But if they told me if you talk about raw, that's I think that was really called raw That was the one with the lions that had real lions where like people got maimed and stuff on the set I think again the main actress got her arm broken by an elephant really bad production and ethics and all that sort of it but it It could end up making a good movie or it could end up making it bad with you Yeah, I've I've heard that that movie is legitimately terrifying to watch If you were comparing it right because you'd be thinking the whole time like holy shit those actors Those are like lions and lionesses I guess more Like like, you know cubrick like making them do like 40 50 takes of the you know Yeah, that's an example of you're like making it a real A real like negative experience for the actors and actresses and you could like you could happily say that was really Wizard of Oz Probably the most iconic movie of all movies wizard of Oz The I like that what they had to go through in terms of like people were on drugs The the the studio lighting was like vaporizing people It was super hot on set And there's a whole bunch of shit that wanted to make in that movie and it's the most iconic and well-known movie probably of all time Well, here's maybe a more controversial one of you more than some breaking his toe when he kicks that helmet It's like that's bad But yeah, it's for a really good good recording. Good good thing. It's similar but different. Yeah It's like well, um, what what practice could be taken to prevent that from happening It's like, well, I guess he should have been more careful and they should have been more thought about you're gonna be kicking something That's unless he did that whole script in which case it's just more his fault But I think it's just more of a that's just like that strikes me as like a freak accident where like kicking a helmet Just kind of I think that was he chose to do that. I think I'd have to check even if he was there was no Expectation there was no reasonable expectation that he'd break a toe from doing that It's just a freak accident whereas other examples would be like they were made to do super long hours. Yeah. No That's why I meant like on a Scaling it all the way back. Like I guess a better example. Maybe would be lutes throwing a real knife, right? Yeah, like reasonable source of just like something went wrong. But Oh, I was like, uh, Leonardo, uh, de capra smashing that glass and cutting this hand up Was that improvised? Was he supposed to smash it? Oh, no. No, he got hurt. He wasn't meant to smash it Right. Yeah, so the reason I'm asking that is because I just want to clarify Go unchained. Um, Leonardo de capra smashes. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah Yeah And so, um, yeah, we just there's a line between how the thing is made What decisions are made behind the scenes to make certain things happen and then what the thing is itself, right? Like civil war wasn't supposed to have iron man in it Um, but then they forced him in and I just think the story is fantastic as a result of comparing iron man with in spider-man 3 Which didn't have such They forced ramey to use venom and it had really bad results. Um, we can talk about that But we can also talk about the art. We can talk about them separately if we can talk about the reasons like I just want to make sure um When you find out a thing has something in it for reasons you consider to be unethical or, uh, You know, whatever thing you have against them that doesn't automatically make the thing itself Uh, bad. We try to go for the like I keep saying in universe for lack of better terms just So hopefully that explains our take on whatever the esg stuff is I I don't like forcing artists to do things against the the values that they're trying to put into their story. It's annoying um Maybe come into the discord later and talk about episode five with some of us folks who aren't the crazies Well, I mean, hopefully this this has sort of settled a lot of it. Um Oops, and I um different arguments and stuff Yeah, if yeah, I just a lot of what we see Is I as really bad arguments and a lot of what we see is just declarations that it's bad or that it's worse than the games Or it's da da da da. And there's no like attempt to have substance. There's no element of substance to it um Yeah, and as I said, I think there's an air of a reasonable distrust of the people behind it and the company's making it and and and then there's a lot of stuff to do with like Uh Agenda driven content and I I feel like it might be clouding Viewpoints meanwhile like a lot of the motivation mining that's been done From people on our end is kind of confused because people don't really know why we're biased in favor It quote-unquote like yeah, there's not really a reason for us to be biased in favor. It is there Yeah, and so maybe It's because we think it's actually really good. We're not like lying. We we think this is good We're trying our best to explain why Not to say anyone else is lying. Um, but I just don't see any Reasonable bias for this one with us if anything I was biased against this show. I tried to explain that I think in episode four Well before the show came out, I think we were almost unanimously saying it's probably gonna suck But we'll see when it comes out because you know so much stuff had been bad But you know, we will keep an open mind as we do and sure enough Uh It was good Bring an idea if you're cartoon making thing watch some strong bad emails a lot I've seen strong bad emails. Yeah, that's uh, oh that's taking it way back. Yeah, we're talking early. Yeah, that's like Let me you finish the message Along a lot little episodes with some good writing things get better after 50 I yeah, the home star runner was really that man that is going back. That's like 20 years old Yeah, that's going back to like legendary lily pad and dr. Tran and stuff like that home star runner Yeah, because strong bad emails essentially even though home star runner was like the guy it was like, um strong bad essentially became like the main character Um, I like strong bad emails as a format. I I find something interesting in terms of like You know animations on the internet of like figuring out the types of formats that are like manageable on like a recurring basis And if it was like strong bad emails was a good example of like a It's still an animation. It's still got like the full-fledged animation It still looks like it but it's got presentation choices that make it easier to make Like it just makes it faster to make, you know, then if you were just making a full blown Animation where he's not sitting at the computer, you know typing up a message Um, yeah strong bad emails were really funny Did you ever watch a home star runner mollo? It sounds like you didn't I'm Recognizing some of these references, but I've never watched it. No Strong I can't do the voice. It's been a little while Oh, damn. Maybe maybe you need like a picture. Hold on Home star runner might help Strong bad is familiar to me as well. I think maybe my friends have seen it, but I don't think I ever did Yeah, that was uh, that's that is some old internet, uh Old internet, um, man those were the days that was uh Those were the day you remember the simpsons episode where bot makes uh like a like a web animation The the angry dad Remember that? Yeah Oh It's just reminiscent of that time. Oh, right. I don't remember they had the jokes as well We're like, but just they just kept giving him stock They have like a toilet paper roll, but it was stock and he just kept getting it Because that would have been made shortly after the dot-com bubble. Um, where it's just like, you know, like He'd have some stock just give him some stock Wheel of it out That's one of me when I was a kid. I never understood that joke. I was like stock. What like I don't understand um That oh and what was what was one of the the jokes it was like, you know Oh, what a day maybe the news will cheer me up and then it just says like angry dad sucks He's like that's opinion not news His head explodes I uh, I recognize drugged all the bininator as well Oh, okay. Yeah, so then you would have uh, yeah, and then you would have seen homestuck. No, I haven't seen it. Yeah, I recognize that Are you sure that you never saw like even one? because I never I I've only seen like a couple and that like I say that's going way back because like the the flat early flash animations um, you know all that stuff that's that's just I mean, some of the people listening to this just have no clue Well, I mean some of the people who are listening to this probably will probably like After this was uh after this came out. Yeah, we would oh man those playing hot seat sieve four with my buddy, henry Oh, fuck, and from those references. Oh, that's why I know that Yeah, I've been listening, you know listening to these, you know, just you know, these flash animations people would do back in the day I remember one of the ones really 2000 was uh stick death. That was uh, that was another one of the um, like those flash animations Super edgy Yeah, some of them were pretty pretty edgy Because this would uh homestuck run it would have pre New grounds started in the late 90s, right? New grounds were started in the late 90s or was Probably it was one of those like e-bombs world kind of sites that just sort of had everything It had crazy videos flash games pictures as far as I know new grounds still it's still carrying on New grounds are still around. It's just that new grounds felt like more of a mid 2000s was when it was like hyper popular Like that's when a lot of a lot of what I remember about new grounds like edge world and only ng and um and uh Johnny utah like that was like the mid 2000s. I think where it's homestyle was a little bit earlier than that Um, I'm on new grounds now and I'm just like wow blast from the past Yeah, I mean people like the new grounds like a uh, it still has like a dedicated user base, which is really cool It's just like there's a uh Moving games art audio It's just gonna vibe new grounds. There's a vibe to new grounds. It it's kind of like stepping through a time portal. Yeah um But but my minor gripe is it seems like henry and sam were on the run for just those 10 days in one spot rather than surviving on their own however long So in the game henry and sam Are a part of a group of people that were attacked and ambushed and then they escaped and I guess uh running around the That area for however long. Yeah Meanwhile in the show they're in that they hold up in that place 10 days I mean, I don't think it takes away from You know henry and sam In the game versus the show they are different But I don't think I would consider it different in any kind of way that takes away from their story um I know I've seen the sentiment that earning henry and sam into rats is like it sucks Like how you know, fuck you for for making them like lesser as a result It's just like I think that once you know the reason for it I don't I mean joel says this in the show He's like I shouldn't have judged you so harshly for doing what you've done for your kid or your brother Oh, I mean it's just so of course this is something that we we talked about briefly in the coverage We're building up with a lot of the stories that joel and ellie like learn about or you're the people they stumble across and encounter A lot of it is just like building up Uh, essentially a lot of fundamental choices that these characters are going to be making particularly towards the end of the season And of course there right it was henry made a choice to essentially condemn a great man Because he he needed to save his brother. That was a choice that he was willing to make and he made it Um, and then it was highlighted by cathleen later. It's like what just for that one kid You're gonna make that choice like you're gonna, you know condemn other people Um, but it's it's a choice that joel's gonna make at the end of the season Um is that ellie is more important than uh than like anything else to him Like to the point that he's willing to fight the fireflies to save uh her now Of course, it's going to be relevant to see how the fireflies are contextualized Like are they going to be made more or less redeemable? Is there going to be more uh logic in forming those choices? You know, um, It's like that's that's what they're doing And that's what that's what henry and sam like is a story that's just helping Reinforce that theme because of course we saw it again with like bill and frank Right that their story is kind of about like the choices that people are making the apocalypse of like What they choose to value how they're going to participate in the world Um, you know like that you understand the more that they We can redo something like the last of us too. They could make it better If for example, we don't have the ham-fisted and bullshit zebra scene And instead you actually have just a dad with his daughter living life as survivors who are actually pretty good world But then from their pov they're like this girl could save the whole world And then uh, you know, he has an argument with his people about whether or not it's it's viable or ethical Then they have that argument with joel and and and you know, it goes over and then ellie imagine ellie's the one that says I want to do it. I just I want to do it. There's no reason you can't make the story go that way And then but like you have to be careful Because we're gonna be fucking staring at every last piece of cause and effect It's like episode nine is gonna be the one that we're looking at and uh Making it so that joel kills someone as a part of a group of people who are doing something he fucking like You know hates or or disagrees with Of course they're gonna have people who love them and of course those very people could then try and get revenge on joel These are not story ideas that can't go anywhere Like yeah, just don't have abby beat him to death with a golf club saying you don't get to rush this when she has no idea What the context is and When ellie comes find her and kills her friends not have her say we let you live and you wasted it Don't don't do things like that and then you might be okay Yeah, don't make joel just like do everything right and then be really like low guard for no reason at all And then get himself killed well Hey, tommy's kind of on the hook for that because he's the one who said i'm tommy and we lived down the hill It's like that was pretty dumb Tommy you know better than that you know better than that tommy Well, that's why i appreciate what they've been doing in the show Both times ellie has given away any small piece of information joel has given her a glare First time was in name and then it was when she said they go into wyoming. He looks at her and then she says what? Stays big enough for two more people It's like it's not about that. It's given away information So yeah, you know They're gonna have to reformat a little bit Um and everyone will be worried about that last episode. We'll just have to see what they do We will have to see but we can have ellie chew out joel and not to he not defend himself Right, it's like yeah, that'd be another huge mistake. I hope Uh, because this is the thing I would consider it a great downgrade if they have joel Understand like the situation is reasonable and then he just does it anyway and kills everybody Because in the game it's not that way and you don't damage the character By doing that, but if they change it so the ellie agrees and all the doctors are on board and it's actually really chill and they're all friendly And then he just fucking shoots them all that would be awful. So we'll have to see Uh Damn it at least both next ones are for free. Wow Um Wait, uh after seeing how different in a good way this adaptation has been so far I'm curious to see if they can fix the last of us two a season two Gonna have to see But that's a lot to fix moller. I think you you cut out for me a bunch during that reread it just in case I was uh, it'll be recorded anyway. I'm doing a little recording, but I'd like to hear it though All right after seeing how different in a good way this adaptation has been so far I'm curious to see if they can fix the last of us two a season two And I'm saying that I'm gonna take a lot a tweak in that's a yeah Um, I think I've got it in them based on what I've seen but I'm really curious Uh, bro, you know, I love the show. I watched it grow from the back row sipping bordeaux I bestow my chateau on the fro yo roe dough plateau below also high rago Yo All right Uh, hope you masters of a great week. What's each of y'all's favorite anime? Uh, fma brotherhood probably full one punch Probably that or I really like I mean probably that or cowboy bebop. I mean, I I like uh the older ones I haven't watched any modern anime like At all really but yeah, probably probably one of those older ones that you know the oldie goldies I really like uh ghost in the shell a lot um I've got uh Yeah, there you go. There's some of those Um from now on I'm no longer assist. I'm quoting iron man I raise yeah, I'm no longer racist. I'm just quoting iron man That's a good way to yeah, you'll be right. Uh, what director would you pick for gargoyles remake? Gargoyles remake, um Huh, I faintly remember the um the the tv show What director I guess it depends on what kind of tone I want it to have and we're gonna assume this That this director does a good job maybe I don't know. I feel like you could go a lot of directions with it. You could go like Like tim burton would probably make a really neat gargoyle show I think that's just an element of macabre enough. You could give he probably give the city a whole bunch of character The gargoyles would have a lot of personality to them um I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that. I feel like there's a lot of Tarantino gargoyles say the n word Um, but yeah, I'll I'll go with a tim burton, but I bet there's a there's plenty of really cool answers for this one Gargoyles are a fan of iron man. I see Speaking of your argument is cope ask fringy why he's a bird Very true And the follow-up super chat says fringy. Why are you a bird? Probably because his parents were birds, right? I guess so Is he there or? That would make sense Fringy Unmuted Yeah, I don't know. I guess he's thinking it's a tough question. It's pretty that's a pretty deep existential question. So All right. Well the second he makes any noises. I'll I'll re-ask it re-ask it Yeah Uh, I've only seen Game of Thrones season eight because you covered it more and because my family were also watching it at the time I guess that's hate watching I guess You know, I mean like so specific and strange uh Isaac og look versus his new he looks younger now I find Well, so I think he looks kind of younger because they've taken the gray bits out of his hair um Which I think uh, we talked about probably should be in there At least, uh, hopefully we'll see that in Dead Space 2 after this event, you know, it's probably gonna put some gray in your hair um Still you can still hear me, right everyone? Yeah, I can hear you. Let's make it sure Yeah I think Kathleen struggles to shoot the doctor because they have a history only hatred between her and Henry plus she's already shown to be vengeful um, yeah, but like we said, so She's gonna be executing him When he's like begging for her not to and she wants to explain why she's definitely doing it It's it does a purely normal human thing. She's not going to do it like a robot Back the whole situation is very emotional Yeah, there's probably a, um A decent amount of hesitation, you know, it's it's like finally looking over the edge of a cliff Um, all right when you're at the you know in the roller coaster about to start your descent that that you know like oh shit We're finally here. It's finally happening Uh, many people are mad they made Sam deaf because retconning a trait reminds the audience that he Reminds the audience. He isn't real Sorry, what say that one more time. I Maybe people said that right a mad. Sorry. There's not many was maybe people are mad They made Sam deaf because retconning a trait reminds the audience that he isn't real um The problem that I hear people saying about that are just tards talking about like dude the deaf agenda Is something like that that seems to be the only Place I hear that referenced as being an issue I think it's just people brain rotted in the culture war stuff I'm just a little bit confused what they mean by The audience don't think he's real like if you could like if you can take a character and just change their traits It's a reminder that that character is a fictional character that can just be changed pretty much arbitrarily Well, surely we could say that about everything right the transfer over they change all kinds of things in smaller medium and large ways Um But like the immersion factor is really dependent on the individual Uh, I respect the fact that a lot of people can get thrown out by adaptation changes But at the same time there are people out there who don't get thrown out by adaptation changes So I don't know what we're supposed to do in conclusion Yeah, they wanted to the people of the world wanted to ask why are you a bird? What why am I a bird? What kind of question is that? Uh, you know just one of those, uh, just you know one of those questions, uh Yeah, so what do you think? Next question. I'm not I'm no I'm glad we answered for him moller. They said you'd cope ridiculous God said hate it Uh, hey e-fap. Hi rags Hello Quick update on my e-fap catch up currently at 1 2 3 the 1 to woman 84 and mando season 2 arcs were quite enjoyable See you in a year. Maybe that long ago Geez, it would be kind of interesting to get a list of all the stories we have broken down and talked about It would be insane at this point, isn't it massive list? Geez, you're probably right You guys are the best. Thank you for helping me get through uni and for all the hard work you do I've always wanted to say this. Hi rags. How are you? Hello, I'm doing a okay I'm doing all right Glad to hear it a good day so far. Yeah Uh, you guys don't watch heathers No No, I have not Clarifying on my super chat it made this sneaking in awkward to me as they would have no reason to have needed to do so before Also, that was probably the first interaction with sam's seeing infected Sneaking in with with joel and ellie So, um The reason you sneak in and you have them at gunpoint before anything happens is because all he knows about joel Is he's a man that's willing to fucking kill people especially in this world? Yeah, you put a gun on them and explain look I could kill you but i'm not going to Okay, yeah, you establish that you have control over that situation or at least you're projecting strength Um, it makes it less likely that they'll try to get one up on you And as moller said it is an incredible gesture of goodwill That you're you have them and you could do anything you want with them But you're choosing to essentially equalize the playing field voluntarily with them And a key piece of information he gives is i'm the most wanted man in this city And i'm pretty sure you guys are number two sort of thing Yeah, like we're we're kind yeah, we're we're stuck in this situation together and we don't actually want to like get one up over you um Because if i'm you know joel or ellie people hold me up You know they they get a drop on me while i'm sleeping and can take anything they want or kill me or anything and they decide No, actually we'll just be chill. I'll be like, oh, wow I get yeah if this person did want to like kill me or take my stuff. They just would have done it So I guess they want something else so they really do want to cooperate It would be hard for me to rationally justify anything else just kind of break apart and he's like I'm not sure how to do this like I I don't know what happens next sort of thing because yeah, he's still Uh Little new to him But they clarified they said that was in regards to them just being on the run for 10 days hiding in a hole rather than surviving I'm trying to sort of understand what the question is saying Oh, I think they're talking about the other thing they said which was about the difference between show sam and game sam show Sam and henry sorry are hiding in that room While game visions are moving around the city, you know being careful eating what they can doing what they can I um, yeah, I guess they're just taking a little bit of a different direction here. Yeah, I don't um anything I really like what they did I think what they decided to do is really well executed the henry and sam of the game world Have moved through the country and done survival stuff while the show ones have been in uh Federer controlled Kansas City for the majority of well for the whole life for sam but for henry the majority of his life And then um, they break out of it. They hide like the henry in the show is not as equipped at all for um The basic survival stuff which helps play into how he wants joel joel is his like His way into I think he says like I know where to go. I know the city like the back of my hand But you know how to like survive um This is a non sequitur. They're making a how to train your dragon live action adaptation Oh, that's gonna go over well Oh, that's gonna be that'll Hey add it to the list Yeah, universal it's coming out in like two years um Okay, do we have like a director or anything for it? It's the director of the animated films is doing it That could be good or bad I mean, it could be anything really right, but like why would you do this? Why would you Is like I know you don't have to make things because people only because people want them Well, I think I just want to because disney doesn't make some a lot of money I think that's it Disney does a lot of these live action adaptations that make a lot of money Um Everybody this is matchup syndrome versus MCU Mysterio gonna be MCU Mysterio He's gonna be invisible And then he's gonna fuck with the perception of everything to syndrome and then you'll shoot him with the Drone in the back of the neck sort of thing Um, though, of course If syndrome gets the upper hand to start with and yeah, you could kill him with his time freeze zero energy thing, but uh My guess is Mysterio wins more than syndrome does Yeah, syndrome doesn't seem to have any extra sensory powers or abilities and that's gonna be a it's gonna probably be your number one Like I don't I wouldn't expect someone who is who can see like psychically Um, or who doesn't rely on like their sight or you know typical ways that our vision is used to um, You know that that's already an incredible roadblock for Mysterio to try and overcome Why must they pill for the old they don't know how to do anything else? I'm not racist. I'm quoting pulp fiction Tarantino Yeah, there you go Very true Pringoo is daredevil woke because blind agenda Maybe definitely there's no reason for him to be the blind agenda sounds really funny, right? You don't even know where they go it's like an agenda that doesn't even know it at once. Yeah the blind agenda Uh, the reason why he has a bold action is so the writers don't have to factor him in Slapping 30 rounds of lead down range every time they get into it Uh, but I I think it's just more of a game thing, isn't it? Doesn't he have a bolt action rifle in the game? Yeah, I mean just more than I just had a scene with shit tons of them in a big group We're all firing semi-automatic weapons, right? Um, and and they could just they they could have given him an m16 or an ak or something and just said Oh, I've only got like eight rounds Yeah, I don't think it's quite that I think you're right. It's probably more sort of do with adapting I mean, um, someone noticed that I didn't was the Dole is he does this in the game as well He moves forward with in the show and the game with Henry's backpack after all this happens I thought was neat with the captain I know it's a bit niche, but I'm excited about uh cable space program two which goes early access this month Do you guys have thoughts on it too? Um, I've not played it. So I couldn't tell you really Yeah, I'm not too um, I'm not too into cable space program, but I know a lot of people who are so Hope it's good Yeah, I hope it's good rags on the topic of firearms what you'll take on the u.s. Army's new six sour soa xm-7 rifle Uh, I think it's interesting. I don't think it's uh necessarily a bad idea I think it'll probably get rolled out and it will have a uh valued place In you know amongst the infantry. I don't think it will I don't think it'll overall replace everything But I think that uh, they made a good choice to certainly consider having that as a more widespread option in their arsenal I think it'll fulfill certain roles well and it seems to be a very capable firearm Um, I wouldn't want to carry one around but then again, I wouldn't want to carry around all sorts of things Uh, so yeah, I think it'll do a lot of good and I think it's probably good that they decided to sort of uh make some adoptions Um, have you guys watched or considered watching werewolf by night specialed by marvel also haimola? Hello, uh, I'd like to actually uh, have not I haven't seen it So it's an hour long and it's better the most things in phase four. That's what's good. Oh, wow That good, huh? It's about werewolves. They're cool Yeah, werewolves are cool That was in regards. Uh, oh, we read that one. Uh, listening to you guys cover the last of us And then as has been interesting like night and day Hey, that's neat though, right different perspectives and all that um, you know Take from it what you will I uh, I I have spoken to him I you know, I think we're in a great place for this show and I'm Downright impressed compared to what I was expecting And I think it's neat as well that this is going to pave the way for actually adapting faithfully At the very least heavily in spirit. Um, but also like I mean the amount of one to one adaptation stuff that's going on is kind of crazy in a good way Hopefully, you know encourages more of that in future I'm all that fuck mary kill rags, fringin metal. You must choose No, I don't you must choose The supersat said The supersat chap said you had to answer. I marry them all. Haha. I broke your your lame rules. I'm punk. I'm a maverick Oh, wow. He is subverting expectations. I just subverted the expectation. That is true Pretty incredible pretty incredible Uh finished the re8 fap gonna catch up I stg Don't get the hate for rags Think they were new slash biased people dude. Do you remember that arc where everyone was like rags doesn't even play dresden evil eight Wasn't that fucking bizarre? I mean, yeah That wasn't that was so amount of shit you said off the cuff How the the amount of information you had about the game it wouldn't have mattered if you had played it Like a little shit. Yeah, it's from the game I think just a lot of people Just huffing that copium man. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I didn't even played it. I was like, oh, wow I did I did play it. I played it all the way fucking through It wasn't fun. I even I even started it I even started a new game plus to try and test some things and that shit breaks fast That game just demands that you stay on its rails for it to work by the way, uh Tizablogs iber delivery rider in singapore and work eight to nine hours a day You keep me entertained through rain and shine. Oh That's great to hear and i'm very glad then hope it does in future. Um Because yeah, this if you especially if you start from the beginning of our backlog That's um, I don't even I have to check efap.me how we're doing for the overall time But uh, it takes a while to get through the whole thing an individual podcast can I mean our longest record I think was just we hit the cap several times Still waiting for him to extend that especially for anniversaries, but what are you gonna do? Uh, do you think there's some level of contrivance with the infected coming out of the whole right when the heroes are in the crosshairs of evil lady? So that one's interesting. Um, if we Roll over to the right in room so to speak Uh, and we're like the car is gonna Go in and it's going to explode which it does and that is going to weaken the ground and alert the zombies Okay, how long before the zombies get there? Like as whatever like well really That's kind of up to the writer at that point. I was actually gonna Use I don't know what to call these but there are things that aren't it's the cause and effect offers options And it's really up to the writer for example um Schrodinger's fuse Kind of yeah, like there's there's lots of um There's lots of directions that thing can go like how many bullets are uh are on backup for a lot of these characters Like is it is it one? Magazine is it two is it three? Well, it's really up to you as the writer at that point Uh, because you can say it makes sense that they all have you know They they could all be carrying around 150 rounds and there's like yeah Well, you know, it's a seems like a pretty large organized group of people and these are all their military dudes And so yeah, they're probably got a decent amount of ammunition with them Um Yeah seems to fit and so it's like so how long do those zombies take to get there and I think as a writer you'll be like Um, should we have them come out? Once we give a little bit of room for the characters to have a bit of their moment. So we'll have kathleen explain Uh, her motivation to henry, which is what she wants to do He's gonna decide quite heroically to go out there and give himself up in the hopes that the children can get away It's like yeah, and then we can have the zombies come up. There's no reason not to Uh, there's nothing in in cause and effect that would stop you from doing that Um, and you could be like, well, it's still convenient, right? If it had taken just a second longer And it's like, um, well, it could have been a lot faster could have been a lot longer The thing is the cause and effect says the it could have been any of them. It's completely open to the writer So the we talked about this before like I said, I don't have a name for them They're just things that it's really the rightest choice. Nothing in the universe says it has to be One particular way unless we have more information like where the zombies are specifically in the ground underneath As soon as you show us that oh now you have a limit, but they didn't so I don't say it can't predict anything Yeah, it would be good to come up with a with a name for it could be really useful Because I like that ammo counter one, right? Because like, uh, you know, can you gun down five of these these, uh, Clickers and he goes I've only got the one magazine. So maybe or you could say I've got plenty of ammo Definitely or I'm nearly out actually because I fired it all recently. You know, it's like, which do you go with? Yeah, and even then there's so much wiggle room nearly out. I got I got 15 rounds 10 5 Yeah, you know, they just even then, you know, you give yourself a decent amount of room to Yes, you know, just Sort of choose and see um Shout out for the hero we lost thick thick 44 human man warrior. He was thick. They were nobody Well, um I so that seems inco I I'm wondering if they're talking about you guys aware of the channel nebs gaming Have you heard of them battlefield friends? Do you remember? Yeah, I know I know of him Yeah, so thick. I think his uh name was tony. Um, he passed away Recently a couple of days ago Um, okay. Yeah, so pretty sad Oh, I think I think it was uh, it was uh, I come I come remember exactly what uh What I think it was related to like a brain tumor. I think was what he was getting treated for Um, like ongoing and yeah, he recently passed away I'm not sure if that's what the super chat was referring to but yeah, um, yeah, it is really sad I think it was only I think it was in his 40s. Um, or maybe early 50s A family man as well. Yeah, uh, I watched a ton of battlefield friends Uh back in the day didn't watch as much nebs gaming, but those guys made some cool stuff um, so yeah Uh, not sure if it's been covered, but you need to get as off the brain rot He said that last of us episode five was woke because henry slash sam played the race card and more bs I don't think race is mentioned at all. Um in the episode. I don't think it's mentioned at all. Yeah I have to hear um the argument. I don't know what the argument is What do you think all you know how hard it is to be a black man in the apocalypse? I was like, I don't know probably about us. Yeah, that's the kind of shit I would complain about I'd be like what the fuck that'd be like in a batwoman show. That's what they say in batwoman Like it's bad enough. It's the apocalypse But I have to be a black man like what? um And obviously they blacken in the game. So uh, uh, it's not like a race changer anything I don't I don't know what his argument is for that one. Um, I'd have to hear it first I don't know in any case we're caught up and uh, oh wow We're at two hours. I think that's a solid enough for any fat mini You know, you guys never want these to go over two hours. I know that you guys always hate it when we go long So uh, we'll keep it nice and nice and clean. No, I meant uh chat. They don't like it Stream for longer. They're all gonna say in chat right now. Like thank you guys so much for stopping now Let's what I hear them regularly say yes Um goodness. They didn't do a lot what you can expect next is us to break down ant man and the quantum mania at the wasp And the others all those little wonderful characters in there marking the beginning of phase five Excitement is obviously through the roof the following week Um, will atomic heart be out by the following me fan? I Do not we also we're going to be trying to record a meme fab soon I'm trying to set that in so we'll have that coming up and then yeah, uh, last of us will continue I've been editing all of them solo. So, um, you have episodes that are getting a little shorter for now until we can Uh, sort things out. It's just like this the scheduling all over the place and just be trying to fit it in I'm also working on a video in general and of course, uh The streams I usually turn up on like I'll continue to turn up on Comic art is the 21st Yeah, so that's uh, yeah I would give us wednesday thursday friday to play the game. So that's probably enough time actually to do Yeah, that's probably probably if um, yeah, I got I still gotta get my pc issue resolved with games So hopefully that'll be I can uh get that fixed up So we shall see Um, and if not, we'll just watch a play for who knows So yeah, that's that. Uh, anything you guys want to mention? No, um, no, I don't think so Thanks for the super chats. We do answer all of them. It was nice to have a live one Uh, I hope you guys are enjoying our last of us coverage Uh, and we'll go through the rest of the show and see how it is. Yeah Like I said, you'll the more catch-ups are releasing over time Try and do one per week and uh, they will eventually be caught up because we're only the only ones We got left to she-hulk, uh Believe me. It used to be a hell of a lot more than that um but obviously just keep an eye on the uh, the The selection of uploads you'll find that they're all labeled as well Thanks for watching. Thanks for the kind donations. You have yourselves a good Yeah, rest of the day whatever format that comes in. Yeah, we'll see you next time. Have a good one everybody. We'll see you later Bye bye