 Not so bad. I feel good today because I mean yesterday I was tired. Yeah, I feel like 90% charge wasn't bed late last night and then I was wake her this morning went to see the fireworks in Remel. Yeah, but I have a problem. What's your problem? Well, I was in a rush because obviously getting hot and asleep and then It's quite a distance to go, right? Yeah, so parked the car ran down to the front gate Fevering. Yeah, good checking pockets. No money. No wallet. Yeah. All right. So I says what I mean Do you know who I am? Oh, I said so I'm meeting someone in there, right? And that'll give me the favor. So I'll give you the money on the way back out. Good on you, right? So went in. Yeah on the way back out. You forgot. No, they had gone. Right. So you want to get back I have to get 10 euro right to the committee festival organizers because I'm into them for 10 euro. Right. Are you? Yeah. Well, so you give me the 10 and I'll make sure they get it. I don't trust you. Can you put me directly in contact? I can. I do. So I'm currently running around with a tenner in your pocket. I'd have absconded. No, no, I'm going to hold you accountable for this. Well, this is why I brought it up. You see. No, you're very good. Yeah. So yeah, so I have to get a tenner. So you're late to bed last night. So fireworks good then. Good crowd. Brilliant, yeah. And stay dry today. It did. I didn't see any rain. Yeah. Brilliant. Lovely. Must have been amazing what they do in local communities. Isn't it great? Create these things. But there's so much organizing and small you know, festivals take a lot of big effort in committees and often the committees are really quite small as well. Sometimes the best committees are the smallest, you know. But anyway, so that's it. I can't really concentrate today because I'm 10 euro in debt. That's right. I can take it from you. Okay. But what? How do you what would you do with it? I get your receipt. How's that? Just keep it. God, this sounds like an RTE thing to me here. Go out of money. How will I know? We could create a barter can't. No, you could go ahead now and talk about that all day today. All right. See you later. All right. Thanks very much, Lee, for helping me out there. All right. It is just a minute past 10 oh nine now. Let's get a news update and cross over to Donna Marie Daherty. Hi, Donna Marie. Hi, Greg. Good morning. The Minister for Agriculture, Charlie McConnelog has condemned what he calls shocking practices over the way farm animals are treated by certain owners. He was responding to scenes of animal cruelty on RTE's primetime investigates last night. The Minister has requested a copy of the program. Speaking to Highland Radio News, Minister McConnelog said his department is launching an investigation. And I know of someone who's gone to March and done it all all my life and who still tends march across our county that is certainly in no way representative of what happens in the vast majority of our marks. But it did happen in these instances, RTE uncovered it and that there is an investigation now underway by my department and we will be following this up robustly and vigorously. This type of behavior is absolutely acceptable. Nobody could condone it and it's certainly not acceptable in our in our agricultural sector. Over 1000s, Donegal, suckler farmers have applied to join the new suckler carbon efficiency program, but around 40 percent have yet to become members of Board Bea's Sustainable Beef and Lamb Assurance scheme. One of the conditions attached to the scheme is that farmers must have been audited and cleared by Board Bea by October 16th. Co-ordinator Damien Murray says that process can take up to three months and applicants to Skept that have not yet made contact with Board Bea should act now. He says the audit and application process is free and is not something farmers should be nervous about. I say over 95 percent of what we look for farmers what we do and already is part of their legal requirements for cross compliance and other inspections and and also there's an important fact that there's no such thing as a fail on the day with the Board Bea audit. So if there's non-compliance raised on the day that farmer gets a period of time to rectify that and sort it out and become certified. So there's no such thing as a fail on the day. Well over 90 percent of our audits actually pass on the day but that small percentage that actually there is an issue they actually have a period of time to sort it out and rectify it. Ryan Tuberty and his agent Noel Kelly will appear before highly anticipated Aractus Committee hearings later. The two will be asked to account for hidden payments paid to the broadcaster by RTE over a number of years. Chandeville says it's one of the most high profile day committee hearings in history. Ryan Tuberty probably the biggest celeb to ever appeared in Aractus Committee and Noel Kelly's proximity to the stars leading to his appearance it could be six seven eight hours of hearings when all is said and done this afternoon and difficult gauntlet for anybody to run. These two hearings getting unprecedented coverage some pubs will be showing the committees they'll be broadcast on RTE and Virgin Media and streaming on Aractus.ie from 11 a.m. Looking to the weather forecast for today sunny spells and scattered shards some of the shards will be heavy with highest temperatures of 16 to 17 degrees in light or moderate west to the northwest winds. That's all for now I'll be back again with the next news update at 10 o'clock until then good morning. While on his lunch break at work Sean switched to 48 mobile he got all data calls and texts for the limited time offer of six fifty that made him feel like he scored a goal. So he's celebrated by pulling his shirt up over his head and knee sliding across his boss's desk. Good call Sean 48 mobile good call. Subject to fair usage 12.99 a month after the first three months six fifty one time activation fee C 48.ie the county's number one talk show the 9 till noon show on Highland radio and now it's time for the talk of the northwest the 9 to noon show with Greg Hughes on Highland radio. Hello and a very good morning to you five minutes past nine on this Tuesday the 11th of July. 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madden and fenoucan solicitor said the family of ms brown have had concerns surrounding the tragedy from the outset and want the circumstances to be investigated rigorously we will continue to work closely with the family to ensure a full and proper investigation is carried out the front of the dairy journal this morning former salting and dairy city footballer patrick mccourt has been given a three-month suspended sentence at dairy magistrates court for what a judge described as a moment of madness uh the 39-year-old of wheatfield court in muff had been convicted in may after a two-day contest of one kind of sexual assault on january 30th last year passing sentence district judge ted mcgill said that the victim had been touched on her bottom in what he said was an instance that was brief but startling for her now on to the nationals this morning and as you can imagine um pages one two three four five six seven eight who do we appreciate uh they're all dominated by it seems this rte story uh the irish times this morning the future of star presenter ryan toberty at rte will be strongly influenced by two hearings that erupt as committees today the station management has indicated what would you like to hear uh uh uh what would you like to happen would you like to see ryan back now has there been enough um scrutiny has he uh been punished enough if so to speak i don't mean literally punished enough but you know what i mean as he had to endure enough to say right you know what things were bad things are going to change you know let's crack on or do you believe that he needs to do find something else to do other particular questions you would like to hear him answer um and you just want this to go away at this point get involved in that part of the conversation as well oh eight six sixty twenty five thousand well new director general kevin backhurst um pointedly declined to endorse mr toberty's future at rte in a series of interviews yesterday saying instead we'll see how the week goes and what comes out of it later he said he hoped to see maximum transparency and honesty from mr toberty and his agent no kelly who will appear at the public accounts committee this morning and at the media committee in the afternoon to face questions about top up payments to the star which were concealed by rte uh mr backhurst said he hoped to come to a decision soon on mr toberty's future for ryan's sake and for everybody's but added that the views of staff would also be taken into consideration or can't because of course um that's where a lot of the upset as it relates to that whole case is coming from people who were working on certain shows radio shows tv shows that took significant pay cuts and were on relatively low wages uh is that trust lost is that trust broken but let's get back to the reality of our lives because you know it's fine for people who are very well off but there's realities for those who aren't the arish independent a shortage of funds is stopping more than half of the population from taking out the financial products and services they would like such as health insurance life insurance a pension and a savings account at women and those on lower incomes are most impacted by the affordability issues when it comes to being able to purchase some insurance products that they would like to have similarly more people in this category struggle to set up a pension or pot by savings for a rainy day and i think really what a lot of people do they hope that really their savings is if they were lucky enough to build or purchase a house um and that's it really you know that's what they might bequeath or leave to somebody else or that's their their security uh which makes that whole defective concrete block crisis even worse because you know all your eggs are in the one basket and that basket cannot end up being worthless but anyway this information is according to a survey commissioned by insurer of eva life and pensions arland and a separate survey commissioned by aib found the cost of living challenges and the energy crisis are affecting consumers appetite for taking greater sustainable action in their personal lives and it is about time is it not that um we started seeing our electricity prices come down it's crazy that it's still the way it is and it's off the front pages and it's off the news agenda but the truth is that's one of the biggest problems in this country at the moment a wholesale price of electricity is dropped significantly and we're still playing at the top rate and especially with this weather the amount of um the amount of solar and also wind energy that's being created it's meeting much of our needs at the moment um and we should be that we should have a system whereby that benefits us immediately rather than guaranteeing those energy producers the same price as coal or gas generated electricity i mean those are two simple things that needed to change a you know pass on the savings it has it's blowing a gale and it's quite simple that when the weather is like this we produce an awful lot of wind powered electricity but there's no benefit to us from that and also to why is no one talking anymore about how the fact was still being uh shafted it seems when wholesale prices have been so low for so long now half of what they were when the current prices are set it's been like that for ages and yet we still aren't seeing the benefits from it people are heading back to the high street according to the irish daily mail which is good for local shops local employers the hassle of returning goods bought online and the need to get out and about is seeing more consumers returning to in-store shopping and i was around letterkenny uh a couple of i called down to letterkenny shopping center there a couple of days ago and was around the place another day packed everywhere is packed people walking around with shopping bags it was like christmas eve it's great to see in and out of all the different shops so this article actually backs up what i witnessed myself because i said to a few other people i said the place is packed people out shopping well anyway the pennies pulse of the nation index has revealed that more than 60 percent of irish consumers prefer shopping in stores opposed to online the report running partnership with amarack research sampled 1200 participants and sought to look at shopping patterns uh post pandemic the research shows 46 percent of people are less interested in shopping online today citing frustration with returning items bought online purchased products not being as advertised and increased costs of returns yep so there you go my anecdotal observations and evidence have been backed up by uh research there okay uh the big controversy affecting the media in uh britain is it's at the bottom of this paper one second i think that's the story that's next yeah uh it's taken a particular peculiar turn and i think this whole story actually is going to open up focus again on stuff that's printed in the mainstream media but also uh what's posted on social media without absolutely any um without absolutely any consideration for what's the truth what isn't the truth and again i'm sorry because i mentioned twitter yesterday it's not a hobby horse of mine but it's just by coincidence this story about the bbc presenter i'll read the developments in the story and then make that observation the young person at the center of the bbc presenter scandal last night insisted the star had done nothing inappropriate or unlawful now they engaged a legal firm that cost 750 euro and uh pounds an hour which is really quite remarkable but anyway speaking through that lawyer via a letter written to the bbc the unnamed person branded the claims made by their mother who they're estranged from as rubbish the mother claimed her child had been paid more than 40 000 euro by the presenter over the past three years for sending sexually explicit pictures she claimed that the money um has funded her child's growing addiction to crack cocaine and crucially that it started three years ago when the youngster was just 17 making it illegal she reportedly took her claims to a newspaper after becoming uh frustrated when a complaint about the presenter behavior to the bbc on may 19th was ignored and the star remained on screen land last night it was claimed the youngster or the 20 year old had made it clear before the story broke at the weekend that there was no truth to it a whatsapp message is said to have claimed the story was wrong but was ignored by the newspaper uh the lawyer for the youngster now 20 said the bbc last night uh told the bbc last night for the avoidance of doubt nothing inappropriate or unlawful has taken place between our client and the bbc personality and the allegations reported in the son newspaper are rubbish okay so this person was widely named and continues to be on uh social media but what i thought really quite interesting intervention is is that uh elon moscow owns twitter and is the most followed account underneath that story he linked to a wikipedia page about the um about uh i can't remember his name now um jim jimmy savill yeah his controversy and the bbc but as it turns out there might be no controversy currently at all now some would say there's no smoke without fire but i mean if you do not have a injured party which the newspaper the son newspaper doesn't have now and all of those people that named this individual on social media if there is no injured party well the libel cases are going to be historic historically large wait till you see how that pans out right the sun this morning weight loss jabs are being investigated over reports they make users suicidal uh where gov and saxander will be examined by europe's drug regulator after three cases of the side effect emerged in iceland on empic which is the license for control type two diabetes but also helps weight loss is also on the scrutiny none of its treatments have suicidal feelings all thoughts of self harm uh recorded by the european medicines agency is one of uh their potential side effects all three are manufactured by pharmaceutical company nova nordisk it says there have been used for up to 15 years now and no link to suicidal tendencies has emerged from wide-ranging clinical trials but they are still going to be investigated to ensure that that is not the case and there's a few um controversial stories have emerged about those jabs over the last couple of months for one reason or another now would you like to see july the 12th a bank holiday or public holiday let's call it now in the republic well a green party td is called on the government to make july the 12th a national holiday dublin south central deputy patrick costlow said the day of annual marches in northern ireland should also be made a bank holiday in the republic he added today i'm calling on the irish government to make the 12th of july a public holiday the day is an extremely important one historically for the island and culturally for many people who live here as part of the priest process we have made a number of gestures such as amending article two and three of the constitution and he now wants to the 12th or the monday close to it a public holiday i mean listen i wouldn't mind a public holiday every day every monday four day weeks that could be the future but anyway what do you think would you like to see that any comments on anything we've been talking about there oh eight six sixty twenty five thousand or zero zero three five three six sixty twenty five thousand the newspapers are courtesy of kelly centra mountaintop letter kenny the 2022 national off license of the year the 90 new show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union offering low-rate car loans with fast approval apply online at letterkennycu.ie or in office today the paving store a creative landscaping works in nether kenny have all you'll need 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us uh 921 the dairy sectors bracing itself for the fallout from rte documentary aired last night which uncovered the mistreatment of young dairy calves at martz and investigated the controversial live calf export trade minister for agriculture charlie mcconnellog says he strongly condemned what he described as the shocking practices seen on the program and said they were certainly not reflective of the care that irish farmers provide for the animals a department of agriculture investigation has commenced and there's been a lot of reaction we're going to get some now from uh steven arthur who is the irish farmers association's national dairy chair steven thanks for joining us good morning greg how are you not too bad at all and i presume you've half a day's work behind you already steven at this point such as the life of the farmer as you can see my dairy parlor head on me this morning you're looking all right uh if that's if that's the dairy parlor head okay um so in terms of your reaction to this program how shocked were you by uh what we saw well listen i was i was horrified now when i seen some of the treatment of our calves because like every farmer in the country and their farm is no exception we mine their calves we look after calves like people get up at night the calf the calves in the middle of the night to make sure they have the proper cholesterol in the minder calves and do the job well and they present their calves to the mart in good health to sell and it's a no brainer here the better the calf the better the price so it's in farmers interest and mine their calves well and and you know the stats has shown that Greg mortality rates are way down the the the price for calves is improved this year has the quality calves getting better year on year like and like to see that last night from my uh we sat down and looked at my wife and my daughter and we were horrified now to see it and no no farmer is condoning this we have a zero tolerance to to that kind of carry on with calves like you know but what needs to be done to make sure then that it is uh not just a zero zero tolerance in attitude but a zero tolerance in in ensuring this behavior is uh doesn't exist or is it to an absolute minimum what needs to be done well the Department of Agriculture going to conduct an investigation into the footage last night and like that has to be swift and the size of action has to be took here and like regulation like the regulation we have regulations inside the farm gate on calf welfare and animal welfare management and that has to be carried forward and there is regulations in yards but it needs to be regulated like it needs to be department officers in the yards in the in the marts that needs to be overseeing what's going on like and and that's where the game stops and starts is with regulations being regulated and it's not being done obviously that's it because these regulations there are they're in place there are stronger regulations there this what we witnessed was breaches of those regulations so that means there are punishments there are sanctions and there should be enforcement and monitoring to make sure this isn't happening in the first instance well definitely like that's that's the department's remit is the regulatory and where the regulations are broke like believe you me on the farmer's side of the fence if we break regulations we are we are fine the the the penalties are imposed upon us and the same has to apply at the other side as well if the regulations are not being carried out to the to the to the T inside markets there has to be action carried out here and obviously it hasn't been I spoke about live exports years ago and it has been a concern for years on the program last night a truck with Irish calves on was followed it was on a journey to Spain and the claim in the program was that for almost 19 hours the animals were transported continuously with only short breaks what is there any way around that you know as I said live exports has been a controversy for quite some time now it's it's something that bothers people yeah but right I'm just firstly on the live exports like there's 100,000 cows go to haul in the loan and we like the Dutch companies that use the Dutch cars they like the Irish calves they're very efficient they're robust like they're using 30% less antibiotics on an Irish calf than there is an European calf and they're killing on average 15-18 days quicker so they're thriving they're healthier they're they're they're a better robust calf and they like them on the market on the on the transport like I was a bit shocked to see see that that I thought that there would be regulations there that the lorries would be logged that would be time logs on the lorries that and then when you get to the end that there's somebody at the end I don't know what the regulations is in Spain when the lorry arrived in Barcelona I presumed that you know that there was a regular that was the regular that would show their their logs their travel logs their stop times start times I presumed that's what was in place but obviously the regulations in Europe and I don't I'm not well aware of what's going on out there but there's something seriously missing if they're not logged and checked and double checked like it's back to the regulations again Greg yeah and I'm sure it is a coincidence but it is timely that a program like this comes out you know when there is a big conversation about the future of the the national herd isn't it yeah but like you see what's going on there with the breeding program and even this year I think there was something like 30 or 40,000 less dairy bull cows born on farms this year because it was the first year that sex scene really got going and like you see there's a couple of tools there that I think it's going to work out for in the future first the pharmacist the sex semen farmers are only breeding what they need to breed because it's facing nobody wants undervalued stock on their farm we can breed better stock is better for the farm business and secondly is there is the whole DNA testing of the our genotype and of the herd so we'll be breeding off our best cows we'll put our beef calves onto the onto the cows they're not souped for breeding replacements I think that the carcass beef value on the calves that's going to be listed in the marks it's given farmers a direction of travel and how to pick calves that's souped for market I think the other thing that's coming out to in january is the s that's charter rights on calves like slot on the calves will be finished from first to january onwards that you have to have a breeding program in place that shows that you're breeding away from slot on the calves and that if you don't do that your meat won't be it won't be collected and that's a giant action involved in all industry stakeholders and finally all positives going forward like you know and finally you know I'm not I'm not trying to I'm not trying to say what went on wasn't shocking but it was the actions of individuals it wasn't the actions necessarily of an entire sector that being said those individuals did engage in this behaviour and others witnessed it so there has to be you know there has to be reporting of these cruel practices that the the the sector has to be seen to say this is actually equally shocking to us if not more shocking to us and to sort of take ownership of ensuring this is stamped out yeah there has to be a calling out of this right and like it it's horrific to see like we rare calves I see what goes on in our own family rare calves good faith we take care of calves you bring calves to the mark and you trust in the in the mark management to look after the calves and that trust has been broken here like you know and it's going to take a good bit now to build that trust back up I'd imagine and you know you know I think there has to be serious discussions held with the department with the the the far or the march bodies with I cause these people and and put a plan in place to show I think far the the staff has been handling how they handle their stock you know like it's it's again the law to have a stick or anything in the in the mark beaten cows like that's that should be done away with so we should be seeing that what's back to the regulation is there an age is there an age limit as to when you can use a stick or can you never use a stick it's an anybody who's wearing their cattle don't want you sticks yeah but you can use like it does happen you can use a stick can you not if the car's over 42 days no sure listen if you have yet listen it's all about facilities I know what you can do about I can do yeah you can do just to be clear like it's it's yes it is right listen people use sticks over 42 days that seems to be the the law like you know but in the best practice on in the best practice on farms you try to have your animals rare right kept in good manner and have your facilities in your farm good enough that you don't have to hammer the daily cattle to move to money right okay that's the problem just finally a call says it should be pointed out that in most cases the people abusing cattle at marks and export sites are not actually farmers it's not fair to make it look like that it's farmers who are the guilty ones do you think that's a fair comment that's a that's a very fair comment yes it's a very fair comment that people like people are staffing marks they're usually minimal wage people I'd imagine they've had very little or no training on how to handle livestock like these are stuff that has to go forward in the future I think like you walk in any job break you have to do a course in how to sit in the chair how to lift the box how to do anything before you start like I think there has to be courses maybe like these are these are things that could be brought for by the Department of Agriculture when their investigation is done recommendations all right thanks for your time I appreciate it's already been a busy morning for you we appreciate you joining us anytime Greg take care bye Stephen Arthur who is the Irish Farmers Association National Dairy Chair did you watch that program last night what's your reaction to it a caller says why is the department not keeping tighter checks on these marks and vehicles traveling indeed the rules are there they just need to be enforced more rigorously another caller says ridiculous disgusting behavior on poor animals I had to turn it off it was so cruel indeed some people would have made that choice all right watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highlandradio.com the night on noon show is brought to you by letter Kenny credit union with monster loans available up to 60 000 euro for all occasions visit letterkennycu.ie hey john quick write this number down 91 48 234 see that again mic 91 48 234 so what's that mic the number for flamin doors flamin 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there were concerns over the funding of the dunny gall community stadium this is the new stadium at finne harps of course and there's been a development in that regard and we welcome back on to the program paul mcloon paul thanks so much for joining us good morning to you hello are you doing this morning greg good and it's good to have you with us okay so remind listeners or in fact those who may not have been listening when we spoke to you last you've gone public to express your frustration and in fairness now you did give civil some civil servants at the higher levels of course quite a bit of a touch so where were we at and what prompted you to to speak out publicly like you did well the dunny gall community stadium is an applicant on their scheme called the large-scale sport infrastructure fund which was launched in 2018 monies were allocated into 2020 to 33 projects nationally and there's a real big problem with the scheme less than half the the applicants have even got started yet so the scheme just isn't working and there's a number of reasons for that is that the percentage grant rate is wrong the administration of it is too strict inflation is kicked in so nationally there's a huge problem with it but we were allocated four million on their scheme and critically on the 8th of June a letter was issued to our applicant on our behalf is the fai and they were told that no other monies could be allocated to the dunny gall community stadium project and i was actually outraged with that letter of Greg and that's why i went public at that time i thought it was in unfair and it was ridiculous because of the difficulties that we became aware of between the department of sport and department of finance that this scheme nationally wasn't working so we were outraged that this letter was issued against the dunny gall community stadium we went on your show the sunday dependent also carried the story but i'm delighted to say that on the 4th of July 26 days after the first letter there's been a major u-turn by the department and they're allowing us to apply for additional funding now that's still a process to have been gone through and we can't pre-determine that but we'll keep our fingers crossed what is the significance of that do you hope if things work out as as we would hope they might Paul well the significance of that Greg is that in cork two months ago there's a 12 million euro project for a centre of excellence for soccer and a champion for that and the applicant was the fai the project has collapsed so it is not not going forward anymore so i was in great fear that our project would have a similar experience and would collapse but this means we can top up what i'd call stage one so i think we need about six and a half million to get the first part done and about another two million to complete it so it allows us to go into complete stage one with the additional million which we're going to apply for and a further two million would complete the project but critically for dunny gall Greg we've had an extension to the planning permission twice and we're running out of time so if this project doesn't start soon it'll end up like glenn meyer and this stadium will never be built and it'll be a nice oar in snorler for the rest of our days and indeed you said to me on the last show what is the politicians doing about this and that was a good prompt you gave me Greg because last week i contacted Patrick McGahn who's the right hand man of course councillor McGahn is the right hand man of charlie mcconnellog i've asked for a meeting with the minister to get the monies allocated urgently to dunny gall and i've written to uh martin harley who's also uh that's his municipal district and he's the mayor of dunny gall but because it's such an issue Greg between the departments and government it really needs political will and a political push so i'm calling on our own tds and councillors to help us make this happen we have all the administration done Greg and this is uh make no mistakes a county wide project and finne harps is a county wide club too and and does an amazing work with young people uh and and enhancing um the the the offering all of the while so can we timeline this a little bit then so in terms of the 3.991 million can that be drawn down can that get the diggers on site so to speak or does it require a positive announcement in relation to the 1 million top up and you know what's holding progress up now and and when is sort of the cliff edge in terms of planning well the cliff edge for planning is september next year but really you can't go to the wire with planning you know you need to have the stadium three quarters built by september of next year so the closing date for this top up is the fourth of august that's why i've asked the politicians to say you know by the end of august we need a decision we need to get diggers on site at the latter end of this year we do need the top up but we have also a million achieved through the fai and dunny gall county council who are very generous to us so and we've borrowed 500 000 so we have five and a half million in the pot so the additional million would and it's a modular stadium which we've got to change that because we made a saving of two million at the request of the department about a year and a half ago so if they give us the green light in early september as i said to you the administration the tendering that's all complete we're ready to go but all i'm asking for is as you said yourself if the political will is there to support this and it'll happen and as you rightly said as well Greg it's a community stadium for all of the county it's for girls football boys football it's for school boys school girls inter colleges inter firms it's not for one club it's for all of the county and the county deserves a stadium that we can be proud of yeah and finally we're so close and the momentum is such that if if it were to fall at the final hurdle you'd wonder if it could ever be brought to this point again it's so critical isn't it that when everything is so close that it gets finally over the line paul well the warning is glenn meyer the one i tell you in court and that was with cork county council and that was a 12 million project if this we're going to lose five million we're going to have a derelict site this is a critical issue and it's important for the county and i'm doing this more as a passionate sports person for dunig all rather than anything else so what needs to happen and if everyone rows in together it will happen great all right paul thank you so much for the update have a lovely day thank you all right take care of yourself thank you very much indeed paul mcloon there uh 08 660 25 000 whatsapps and texts to that number professor kevin corrin a regular guest on this program he's a professor of cyber security at holster university but i don't think that title gives you your full you know your full range of skills capabilities and knowledge professor kevin how are you getting on good morning to you good morning great uh are you like i and many listening some for others it's straight over the head and a bore first but for others it's like really quite fascinating how closely are you tracking the emergence of mark zuckerberg's threads and what kind of impact it's having on elan musk's twitter but more generally speaking the social media landscape yeah i mean it's astonishing it's the fastest growing up to ever you know hit a hundred million and a lot of apps have never hit a hundred million and it's only been five days and of course and twitter wasn't trouble anyway because elan musk paid 44 billion for it but earlier before thres was even released it was revalued at 15 billion so that's a huge dip of 30 billion he's lost really and i think uh you know he can take the hand out of blue sky or mastodon and what have you but this is this is a different kettle official together because it's obviously it's mark zuckerberg's backing it he's laid out quite clearly the kind of space that it wants it to be he's pitching it as a completely different experience to twitter and i think elan musk is rattled and quite rightly so he is yeah i mean it really is a copycat i mean it's missing a few features like direct messages and and people are still complaining about that you can't see your users you're the people you're following from the logical order but metta have come back and said that they're gonna readdress it so the clever thing of course that um metta did was linking this with instagram so it met the bootstrapping in other words signing up to the service so easy really you can do it in a minute and it copies across your profile from instagram and your photos and then you have your followers who you already have on instagram so it overcame the biggest problem for new social networks is the bootstrapping problem really because we know that the most useless thing ever invented was the telephone until someone else got a telephone and then there's never perfect the more people have got it the more useful the network becomes again so in the past where social media other social networks have appeared well you know me and other techs would go there and sign up and send invitations and of course you have to wait for your friends and then by the time you go back everyone's forgotten about it but this really met it easy and of course now there he's he's complaining again he's complaining about the Lottie loan but he's complaining that engineers from twitter even though we fired half his company um have been working on this really um but it really is just like someone took the source code for twitter and just put a white background and you know put it online yeah but he also tweeted at that time when he got rid of all the staff um something really quite derogatory suggesting who would take them on or where would they go and work and lo and behold uh met a found a place a place for them some people are saying though what's the big deal you know you've got two billion active users on instagram and you got 100 million of them to click a button out of curiosity that it's it's sort of like artificially successful and it's not really necessarily an indication of of how long it might hang around exactly you know because i go to it a few times a day to see you know to buy fun that is useful as twitter and not yet of course you know people are generally posting hello or stuff i'm not so much interested in but of course i build up the accounts that i follow you know usually you know news outlets and whatever else on twitter and i haven't put the effort into doing that as much on threads so far but um but at the moment i'm not finding it as useful as twitter so again it remains to be seen you know whether or not it will be a success or whether it's just something that people are hop into at the moment because you know to see it as a new water cooler of the internet again but it does have a chance that's for sure because a lot of people are cheese off with twitter because generally now your post the number of posts you're limited to 600 a day and of course someone who's blue verified and they're pushing the the verification badge very much on twitter where you sign up for a pound a month here in the uk um so again but that's cheese a lot of people often there have been outages so what could happen if you had an outage maybe for a day or two or whatever you know severe one on twitter you know people could be flocking there because it is easier for content generators or you know people who post content really to just simply post to both platforms and that's what i do in my interviews now you know like all the other platforms i just simply posted there so if there was a major outage in twitter or something else happens really where he cheeses off a lot more people people could start moving there really because it has a functionality you know it has 95% of the functionality of twitter and maybe some people like the fact it doesn't have as many stats there is not as busy the interface as well so that could work in their favor what do the public want uh kevin uh and how do we figure that out but anyway i want your opinion on it because i mean twitter what twitter used to be uh it used to be a place whereby you would go on uh you followed who you followed and primarily you know it was news there was nothing else there uh there's other bits of noise but it wasn't very noisy now what you have and i suppose there's a for you and there's the following but anyway i think a lot of people sit in the for you a lot of stuff is pushed towards you and it's a lot of toxic stuff now that's only toxic if you find it toxic other people might love it right but you know there's he's actively i mean he tweeted there within the last couple of minutes he can be who you want to be you know you might get insulted here but at least it's real uh you know as i said yesterday and he might live to regret it to some extent uh the the bbc presenter story he having to go at the bbc put the jimmy savill article in underneath it now as it turns out that story might uh become really quite problematic for an awful lot of people and then you go over to threads and you know there's the inspirational quotes there uh and there's some other content there uh a lot more famous people are there but it's a very sort of sanitized censored space but then you've got the chaos of of of twitter what it's really going to settle on what the public wants i don't know if people want to be exposed to how angry and and insulting twitter can be all of the time and i think they might see as sanitized and censored as it is threads as a just a better place just to chill out on your phone it is possible again a consultant moderation applied because threads could easily become you know full of extreme left-wing right-wing views really um so it depends on moderation um and that's one of the things that twitter you know got rid of a lot of the moderation team really so there are people annoyed about what's being viewed there and of course the advertisers pulled out of twitter um because they didn't want their content to be seen along a right-wing post as well but threads could easily become you know cesspool as well and um it depends yeah twitter is just different than the other ones again but in some ways um they're saying that a lot of content or people on instagram are saying that they're seeing a dip in their traffic on instagram because there's only so many hours in a day so another social media app comes along it's gonna detract from the other um social media apps as well so in some ways again i know at the moment you can't really advertise on on on threads again but of course they're saying that they'll bring that in the future maybe on a meet reaches one billion but at the moment it's not easy for them to monetize any content on there whereas on twitter you can actually that they've introduced ways for content generators to oh you know to advertise and make money from their from their posts i think it this will all come down to uh you see there's this presumption that people don't like censorship or rules but you know if you've got two bars one beside each other on the high street you can go into one and there's no censorship and everyone's doing whatever the the hell they like you can go in there and join them or you could go to a bar next door whereby you know it's the management there's a security on the door you know the management don't serve people who've had too much and all you know like people i don't think people really are quite against censorship as Elon Musk might think really if you know what i mean i think people i i know when things are being censored or when people are trying to control how i'm thinking but sometimes i don't mind because it's a more pleasant space to be yeah there's there's something there one thing that twitter gives me which the others don't um and i i guess tress will offer the same as i like seeing opposing views like diametrically opposed views there's people i follow under twitter accounts were believed that you know of course that um that Bill Gates was injecting but the vaccine it was complete conspiracy but a government to control the world and then there there's other people you know i follow who you know that are still wearing the masks and still believe as they should threaten believe in the you know that you should you should have a vaccine every morning so i like seeing these polarizing views on many topics again and also in the war because somewhere in the in between is the truth again um so i do like seeing extreme content as well that some people might want to see censored again but there's stuff that none of us want to see really but it is hard because what you have is you know these platforms are you know even at the moment stresses 100 countries really of course the you don't have it at the moment but again so you have to have content moderators again in each country and again you know even if you took Ireland again in the north then you'd have to have from both both communities as well and how how would the trader management or threads upper management know all these things and again how far back history goes you know trying to imagine trying to get to moderate the content in israel you know yeah again so it is difficult in a global scale really to do yeah i i think it's not necessarily what you say but it's more a case of you calling me a name when you respond to me in your views rather than the views itself it's the it's the the tone of the debate in the conversation and people sort of wanting the right to wrongly name a BBC presenter who may have done something or other do you know what i mean and to want to defend that right to the death to wrongly suggest something or you know one of the big conversations on Twitter was they wanted to they were they people wanted to be able to show that knifing instant in in France and they said Elon Musk shouldn't be monitored shouldn't be censoring that you know what i mean i don't want to see that i don't want to see young kids being chased by a person with a knife but the defenders of free speech wanted that to be shown and i still don't think we've all really figured out what we do and don't want to see yeah it is difficult you know just like i said it's multi jurisdiction you know on the internet and it'll remain so for for a long long time really all right listen lovely to have you on the show as always kevin thank you very much indeed for your time have a lovely day that is a professor kevin corrin professor of cyber security at holster university the nine to noon show with letterkenny credit union simplify your debts with a debt consolidation loan from letterkenny credit union call us on zero seven four nine one zero two one two 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presenting key documents and new information to the two committees which we believe will bring maximum transparency to the situation and address most of much of the misinformation which has circulated over the past three weeks this is the first opportunity we have had to set out the full facts of what occurred and we've spent weeks reviewing all the information about these issues mr tobertine will use his opening statement to set the record straight and call out someone truths he'll describe the controversy as my darkest hour both professionally and personally um and so on and so forth so they're kind of come out uh they're definitely going to come out fighting and uh it's uh it's like that song from shaggy i think it's going to be it wasn't me so we'll see we'll bring you uh the opening statements uh just after 11 o'clock if they run to schedule um and you'll be able to watch them too on our social media uh on the live stream by the way uh so tune in or stay tuned after 11 for that morning Greg in relation to ryan tobertine in my opinion his biggest mistake was leaving the late late show when he did at the beginning of the year he said he had no plans to leave the show he loved doing if he was still a late late show and came out straight away and answered questions this would be over no matter what happened if you stand your ground people respect you more all that being said i think it will make a big change at rte which is long overdue uh really balanced comment there and i think much of what you say there is right Greg in response to yesterday's dilemma re-perceived overcharging for fuel at certain filling stations and i understand the reason when you insert your debit card insert your pin you're only authorizing the card the fuel company don't know how much money is in the account the fuel companies have been defrauded by motorists authorizing a card and filling up with little or no money in the account to circumvent what happened your card must have a balance of 125 euro that amount is deducted from your account and placed in what banks referred to as a shallow posting this means that neither the bank the retailer or you have access to the cash until the transaction is cleared in which case the balance is automatically refunded hotels also use this shadow shallow posting for booking room services this is to ensure that a customer doesn't walk out without paying the dine side is that if you only had a few hundred euro in your account while away for a few days you could find yourself financially embarrassed indeed and the thing is you see and what's problematic about it is that if you're going into but 20 euro of petrol diesel in your car do you really want even if you have a grand in it do you really want 125 euro of your money sort of unavailable to you you're only buying 20 or 30 euro of petrol diesel now this is only in some garages and i would imagine they're going to change their policy in the not too distant future but it's not up to us to take the hits you know the general population to take the hit for people driving off or falsely registering cards you know that's up for them i think to come up with a a different solution because as i say uh particularly in a cost of living crisis if you're going in to get a 10 or 20 euro of petrol or diesel because you can't afford to fill the tank and then you're going to a shop and 125 euro has been frozen out of your account albeit it will be returned less the petrol and diesel i don't think that really works in this day and age to be honest with you and i think it's something they're certainly gonna have to look at and you know that business modeling convenience the customer way more than it does the company and i think there'll be a bit of a pushback on that lots of people texting in yesterday um and there's no point reading them because they were all the same we did read them but reading them out lots of people saying that they weren't aware of this they checked their bank and lo and behold they were down that money all right okay i want to say a good morning before we take a break for the news i want to say good morning to john olive annie uh bernie paul and audrey amongst the many of you who are watching our stream across our social media channels and on our website just to remind you you can watch this program every day in its entirety and most of our guests are on youtube highland radio arland which you can watch on your smart tv which will have the youtube app or your fire stick or your tablet or wherever you want to do across our facebook pages as well highland hub highland radio news and sport and as i say on our website click watch live and highland radio dot com you'll be able to see community guard information that's coming up after 10 we'll also stream the opening statements for you you'll be able to listen to them on the radio and watch the proceedings by clicking on our live stream as well so that's all to come on this program just 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management said last week it shows the former chief financial officer breeder okif gave confirmation in an email to agent null kelly in february 2020 that or t would underwrite the 75 000 euro a year coming from reno to ryan toberti last week she said the entire management team had been united against doing that and it was basically suggested this had been a solo run from d forbes to do the guarantee ryan toberti lists seven on shoots in his statement including denying he was ever overpaid saying it was or t overreporting he says the reno deal was never a secret and said he didn't take a cent of the 120 000 euro due to him between 2017 and 2019 toberti also says he wasn't consulted once in the grand daunting review and because of or to ease accounting practices the narrative of the last three weeks has falsely been that not only did he take a 120 000 euro payment which he didn't receive but that he also contrived to hide it the minister for agriculture charlie mcconnellow has condemned what he calls shocking practices over the way farm animals are treated by certain owners he was responding to scenes of animal cruelty broadcast on or to ease primetime investigates last night the minister has requested a copy of the program speaking to highland radio news minister mcconnellow said his department is launching an investigation now underway by my department and we will be following this up robustly and vigorously this type of behavior is absolutely acceptable nobody could condone it and it's certainly not acceptable in our in our agricultural sector a letter kenny councillor has described the closure of iceland shortly following the loss of argos as disappointing for the town councillor jerry mcconnellow says he feels for the staff involved at both sites he hopes that the site and courtyards shopping center won't be empty for too long yeah look it was disappointing to iceland i thought it was the courtyard and i have closed their operation there it was a fairly significant outlet it was good to have in the town and uh coming on the back of the closure of argos it was a bit disappointing and you know your thoughts go out to primarily the those who work in both iceland and argos and uh hopefully that the courtyard will be able to get another certain talent quite soon and get back to you know full capacity again over 1000 dunigol suckler farmers have applied to join the new suckler carbon efficiency program but around 40 percent have yet to become members of board bia's sustainable beef and lamb assurance scheme one of the conditions attached to the scheme is that farmers must have been audited and cleared by board bia by october 16th coordinator damien murray says that process can take up to three months and applicants to skep have yet not made contact with board bia they should do so now he says the audit and application process is free and not something farmers should be nervous about i say over 95 percent of what we look for farmers what we do and already is part of their legal requirements for cross compliance and other inspections and and also there's the important fact that there's no such thing as a fail on the day with the board be audited so if there's non-compliance raised on the day the farmer gets the periods i'd rectify that and sort it out become certified so there's no such thing as a fail on the day well over 90 percent of our audits actually pass on the day but that small percentage is that actually there is an issue they actually have a period of time to sort it out and rectify it the letter kenny road in jerry is currently closed in both directions following a road traffic collision diversions are in place at the junction of lon mur road drivers are advised to avoid the area if at all possible looking now to the weather forecast sunny spells and scattered showers some of the showers will be heavy highest temperatures of 16 to 17 degrees in light or moderate west to northwest breezes that's all for now i'll be back again with the news headlines at 11 o'clock until then good morning the obituary notices this tuesday morning july 11th the death has taken place of decklyn decky boil 14 gill techs drive letter kenny remains reposing at his late grandparents residence 32 mcnealy villas old town letter kenny funeral from there tomorrow morning going to st unan's cathedral letter kenny for a queer mass at 11 a.m followed by burial in ulex cemetery funeral mass can be viewed live on church services dot tv the death has occurred of mary mcshane upper capitillon remains reposing at her late residence until removal this evening to st columbus church karak for seven o'clock funeral mass tomorrow at 12 noon with burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery the death has taken place of phoenix o'hagan 77 beldew straban and formerly of drummond court straban private cremation will take place in lake land's crematorium the death has taken place of peter sweeney letter kenny and formerly of drum keen funeral mass this morning at 11 a.m in st patrick's church drum keen with burial afterwards in the adjoining cemetery any inquiries to con mcdade funeral directors the death has taken place of anna fergusson art claucarn donna and formerly of glasgow anna's funeral mass will take place this morning at 11 a.m in the sacred heart church carne donna followed by burial in the adjoining graveyard family flowers only ordinations if desired in lieu to the carne donna community hospital patients comfort fund care of any family member anna's funeral mass can be viewed live on carne donna parish dot com the death has taken place of liam conwell 23 barn road donna manna reposing at his home funeral mass presently taking place in st patrick's church carne donna manna interment afterwards in the adjoining cemetery the rake where mass can be viewed live via the donna heady parish youtube channel the death has taken place of deer dra drum pierce swords doubling and formerly straban rake we are mass presently taking place in st mary's church melmont interment afterwards in the adjoining cemetery donations in lieu of flowers pleased to st france's hospice care of quickly funeral directors draban the rake where mass can be viewed live via the parish webcam for more details including any family health guidelines for weeks and funerals please go to highland radio dot com whether it's a five or 10k half or full marathon everyone's running journey is different find your pace with a summer of running series with irish life dublin marathon search irish life summer running series to sign all a better life with irish life text or whatsapp your view to greg on 086 60 25 000 and thank you thank you to those of you already who have a good morning to you again by the way welcome along to the night on moon show um a caller says if you think anything will be done to quell animal cruelty at march etc you should look what happened um in northern island um she tamara bronc cares was a department of agricultural chief vet she blew the whistle on animal cruelty uh she was harassed and eventually fired from her job but she sued and was awarded 1.25 million in compensation there's no appetite uh by anyone in authority in this country to put a stop to wrongdoing hi greg as expected just the usual response from farmers and the minister that they're shocked and knew nothing of these abuses if they were so concerned they would have made it our government's business to find out it's not as if it was only happening these past few months when it's being happening for years and it's a little bit like isn't the uh other controversy that we've been talking about that um maybe we should be expecting a little bit more of an oversight from our ministerial departments and the various committees to actually do regular inquiries uh to say anything ongoing at the moment in in in that sector that requires our attention any reports of cruelty or any rumors or rumblings and let them investigate it and expose it rather than um you know the media being the middleman exposing issues and then the over uh the overlords they're all shocked and this is crazy let's bring the the guilty parties into some sort of a committee or let's have an investigation should those sort of uh checks and balances not be more rigorously enforced so that there aren't these stories for the media to expose uh and no one seems to be sort of asking that question who was asleep at the wheel hi greg wondering if anyone else is having problems with electricity this morning in the listillian area it's going on and off constantly that's coming in from Maggie are you in that area i think Maggie's more or less probably just wanting to rule out a local issue to her property so if you are having intermittent outages in the listillian area let us know massively annoyed to wake up to no power in Stralongford Culley in this morning there are 204 houses without power and we were told this won't return until 1 pm or even later seems to be a recurring thing in this area the one thing i will say about the predicted times from the ESB often uh it comes on much sooner than that i think normally that's the at the latest that's in my experience but i'm not hopefully giving you uh false hope right okay Greg here's something that i think listeners should be aware of my car insurance was due for renewal on the 23rd of last month the quote from my insurer was 340 euro which was acceptable to me i was surprised when on the 22nd i got an email thanking me for remaining with the company and that my renewal documents were attached i had not renewed and thought it was a mistake i checked my bank up and found that the renewal fee had been deducted i rang them to say that i had not renewed but i was told that i had signed up to automatic renewal i said i wasn't aware of that but was told that when you are reading out the prepared script when you renew by phone that you agree to automatic renewal i was not aware i likened there i likened their spiel to the air stewards giving out safety instructions i wasn't really paying attention i then found out that they'd automatically renewed my house insurance which was 980 euro although i had already renewed with another company for 340 euro luckily i had sent them an email to say i wouldn't be renewing that ridiculous quote on that basis they refunded my money otherwise i'd be penalized for cancelling the contract i don't know if automatic renewal applies to all companies but people need to be careful i'd be interested to know what sheamus gone thinks of the legality of this manner of renewing insurance where there's an element of subterfuge involved and it's an interesting one and i can only speak from my perspective as one individual i just presumed that happened when i get the documents from the insurance companies it's effectively this is what it's going to be if you do nothing it's renewed and for me if i'm happy enough with the quote that's handy because the direct debit just goes through it i have to talk to anyone and blah blah blah so i thought this was the norm um and until i started shopping around and switching more actually really thought it was quite convenient so as soon as i get my insurance renews normally in january so as soon as i get the reminder in early december i look at the quote shop around uh and i either move and if i can't get an improvement i stay and then it does auto renew i thought that kind of was path for the course i didn't think it was something i opted into i just thought that's the way it was uh but for others listening i think that information you've shared there's going to be very useful hi just checked my bank there i also it also took 125 euro out of my account and i only put 40 in at probably the same station another i just checked my account the same thing happened to me and i didn't even notice i do have a direct debit tomorrow so now i can transfer money but what if i didn't have funds elsewhere to transfer this is uh in one or some of the go fuel stations uh where you put your card and put your pin in even if you're only getting 30 or 40 euro uh of of debt petrol or diesel 125 is frozen on your account um it doesn't actually go to the company it's sort of as someone mentioned earlier on a shadow payment it is eventually returned sometimes immediately it can take two or three days uh and we're just getting that information out there so no one is caught out all right let us take the bingo numbers community to go to information just around the corner the county's number one talk show the nine till noon show on highland radio it's time for mcbi bingo on highland radio it's tuesday the 11th of july you're playing on a brown colored sheet the reference numbers s17 it's game number 28 the numbers are 79 32 35 43 76 62 51 71 27 and the number four phone your claim to nine one zero four eight double three before eight p.m tonight leave in your name contact number and the name of the 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or transaction charges letter kenny credit union nine one oh two one two seven the community garden information slot is brought to you by charidan security systems protecting what you value most call today and get your zero wire alarm system from 299 euro charidan security nine one two six oh two five okay it is 17 minutes past 10 on this tuesday the 11th of july 2023 it's time now for community garden information and delighted to welcome back into studio garden grania daherty thanks very much for joining us again grania yeah good morning greg good to have you with us okay uh we'll get straight into it because uh your colleagues are investigating the burglary and theft of a vehicle in bonkrana yeah so this incident happened in the area of lockview bonkrana in the early hours of wednesday the 5th of july so in and around 3 45 a.m the patio door of a house was opened and entry was gained to the house now the door wasn't damaged this door had been left unlocked this patio door so the keys of the car and the driveway of the house were stolen from within the house and then the car subsequently was stolen also it was a black oddy a4 registration number a x66 mv u so the stolen car was immediately driven in the dairy direction so along the r238 it was then located in burnfoot village so not long after actually 402 a.m and it had been crashed just in the middle of the village there so we're appealing to anybody who may have observed any sort of suspicious activity in the area of lockview where the burglary took place to contact our d and if anybody seen this vehicle a stolen car being driven along the r238 so the bonkrana to dairy road between 3 45 a.m and 4 a.m if they traveled on that route and the usual appeal if they had a dash cam we would ask them to make that footage available to us and we're also interested in hearing about any sightings of a silver Volvo Jeep that was believed to have been observed in that area on the date and question around those hours so if anybody has any information to pass on then contact guardian bonkrana on 0749320540 or as always the guard of confidential lanes there on 1800 666111 and just to make people aware I know we mentioned this before but when you contact that lane the guard of confidential lane you're through automatically to a voicemail service so you know there's no requirement on you leave your details you just leave the brief message that's that is totally confidential all right the next appeal may or may not be connected yeah so guardie again bonkrana they're appealing for information in relation to an attempted theft from a car so this happened in the area of our crana so on the same date yet the early hours of Wednesday the 5th of July shortly before 2 a.m so a resident in that area they heard the car horn horn sound and they looked out they seen a man in the driveway of a house this man had his hood up covering his head he fled the scene again we're interested in any sightings of this silver Volvo Jeep in that area around that time so the car that was parked in the driveway in question had been unlocked the man had opened the glove box but nothing had been stolen from within so possibly when the horn was activated in the car he fled so we're appealing again to anybody who may have seen any suspicious activity in that area on the date and time given to contact guardie and bonkrana on 9 3 2 0 5 4 0 and again if anybody traveled within that area or within the general bonkrana area and the early hours of Wednesday the 5th of July who had a dash cam we would ask them to make that footage available to us okay car stolen in letter candy now yeah and unfortunately this has become quite a common appeal every week now in relation to the theft of cars um this car was stolen from the ard ban area of the long lane in letter candy in the early hours of thursday the 6th of july and around 4 30 a.m so uh cctv has been viewed and has captured two males and they forced the door open this car was a silver Mazda demio partial registration 10 ke 17 it was later located on that date later that day at 2 0 5 p.m and beachwood grove and so if anybody seen again any suspicious activity in the ard ban area in around half four in the morning of july 6th we're asking them to make contact with us we're also appealing to anybody who resides in the area of beachwood grove Lyford just to contact us in letter candy on 9 1 6 7 100 you know they may have seen this car being driven in that area or parked up abandoned there and i'll just give the partial reg again it's a silver Mazda demio the partial reg is 10 ke 17 so any information may be passed on to us in letter candy on 9 1 6 7 100 or again the garter confidentially yep now this is not this is a relatively small car it's the most not necessarily one of the most commonly known Mazdas is it worth reminding and i'm not sure if the case in this car again that people are targeting specific types of vehicles that maybe don't have immobilizers that are they're easier to steal um because you can after the fact get an immobilizer fitted but as you say this is happening on such a regular basis maybe no harm to remind people just to check what security features their vehicle have and if they need to be upgraded or locked out this is no fault to the car owner of course there maybe it's something they need to to look at because as i say this is happening on a pretty regular basis at this point grind you of course yeah and there is there's a raising trend and you would notice the even on the weekly radio slot here there's a lot of um japanese import cars being stolen and some of these cars just don't have the security features that other cars do have so if you have one of these cars just check the security features perhaps get a steering lock or an immobilizer you know just check what security features it has and maybe get them enhanced if possible yeah and the reason i wanted to reiterate that is the people who are stealing these cars know so we have to empower ourselves with the knowledge don't we because they clearly know what cars may or may not be more vulnerable i'm not saying that's the case with that Mazda but it's just worth us all just double checking what features our vehicle has right let's head back north of burglary being investigated now yeah this burglary happened it was actually at a vacant property in the area of Gartner ski burn foot so it happened between july 6th and thursday july 6th and sunday july 9th so the window of a garden shed at that property was smashed the lock was removed from the garage door it wouldn't appear that anything was taken from the shed so we appealed just others living in that area just to contact garrity in bunkrana if they observed any suspicious activity between those dates uh 9320540 is the number for the guards in bunkrana all right okay now an investigation into a burglary in remelton now yeah this burglary happened in around 11 well it was a cctv was checked so it's fairly precise the time 11 04 p.m on saturday the 8th of july so this happened at a garage premises in drummond remelton so a large quantity of alloy wheels were stolen from the premises so the lock was cut from the gate in order to gain access to the garage so given the amount of the alloys that were stolen the vehicle used by the suspects would likely have been a van or maybe some sort of vehicle towing a trailer a lone male wearing a light colored top gloves and a balaclava was captured on cctv uh he's believed to have left the scene in the direction of tully graveyard or balear football pitch so information sought from anybody who was in the drummond balear area on saturday night the 8th of july between in around maybe 10 45 and 11 15 p.m uh especially those who had a dashcam were interested in receiving the footage from them or anybody who made of notice any suspicious activity and this was uh the saturday night of the lennon festival quite a there was a quite a crowd around that area so we're hopeful that somebody made us some information that made us us this with this investigation it's just after darkness as you say a van or possibly a a vehicle drawing a trailer right okay uh criminal damaging clon mally's clon mally's the next appeal yeah this one happened on friday the 7th of july in around 11 10 p.m guardian bunkrana were notified that a criminal damage incident had just occurred at a house in the area of crossroads claggan clon mani so the incidents believed to have happened between 10 45 p.m and 11 10 p.m so a panel in the back door of the house was smashed the house alarm was then activated garrady were notified no entry was gained to the house and we're just appealing to anybody who again who traveled in that area between those times who had a dashcam to make contact with guardian bunkrana and if anybody noticed again any suspicious activity in that area please pass the information on to guardian bunkrana on 9 3 2 0 5 4 0 all right okay and um the last one is a bit of a strange one um this was on sunday last yeah this is quite a worrying one really yes an unusual one uh so sunday the 9th of july a driver they were traveling along the isleic road in bunkrana in and around between 3 10 p.m and 3 15 p.m so this driver they were approaching the traffic lights to to travel onwards onto the cock hill road uh they slowed when they approached the traffic lights this motorcyclist pulled up alongside the car on the driver's side the motorcyclist was irate they were revving the engine and shouting at the driver they started to repeatedly punch the car um so this driver then obviously was terrified drove onwards towards the cock hill road and the motorcyclist followed along alongside the car and persisted with this behavior shouting and punching the car the driver then turned off to travel in the direction of uh carndonna so she stopped the car at umrecam the motorcyclist then bent the wingmur backwards on the car before taking off the motorcyclist left in the direction of carndonna they carried on down the road so we're appealing to anybody look if anybody observed this if they traveled on the isleic road cock hill road or if they turned off there at umrecam to head in the direction of carndonna if anybody witnessed it we'd appreciate if they would make contact with the guardian bunkrana um again a dash cam footage would be very helpful to us if anybody traveled along any of those routes the cock hill uh to um cock hill to umrecam on towards drumfries carndonna or indeed if they traveled from carndonna to bunkrana and they had a dash cam we would ask them to make that footage available to us yeah it's quite it's quite a terrifying incident for us and prolonged as well which is you know you might see a bit of road rage out and about but this is a sort of a prolonged thing and um there's damage to the vehicle it's a crime uh and someone saw it it's just a case of that person or persons uh making that information available to the guardian because they've gone home and said you wouldn't believe what I saw today but it's something that's being investigated and the guards need to hear that information okay so we're all sharing the space including uh those on horseback uh we do come to this from time to time and you want to give it an airing again today Gronya yeah I suppose we don't was not really a topic we discussed that often but it did receive correspondence actually a couple of weeks ago from a man and he's part of a horse riding group and within the local area here and um this person he expressed concerns just really in relation to the danger faced by the horse riding group when they're out and about on the roads he did say in his letter that they try to this group they try to avoid the public roads you know and so far as is possible but from time to time when they're going up and down these trails they have to enter the public road space you know to get from one trail to another so um he explained various dangerous scenarios that occur regularly when the group or group are out hacking on the public roads so um I just want to outline a few simple steps that motorists should take just to keep themselves the horse and the rider safe should they encounter a similar situation while out driving so the first thing is reduce your speed be patient be prepared to stop the person on horseback of course they have a much better view of oncoming traffic so obey their hand signals you know if they're giving you a hand signal they have a better view than you have in your car coming behind them keep a safe distance between your vehicle and the horse when overtaking the horse and rider don't drive too closely behind the horse and ensure to leave at least the width of your car between your vehicle and the horse when passing always be careful when passing as a horse may startle don't use your lights or horn the way that might blind or startle the horse this could cause the rider to lose control of the animal and some start some horses are startled by the use of air brakes also so that's just something for maybe lorry drivers know to be aware of or bus drivers and when you have passed the horse drive away slowly you know don't tear off once you've overtaken the horse you know just drive it in a slow manner um actually I put a post on the garda shake on it on he got a facebook page yesterday with tips for people should they encounter horse riders out on the roads um the letter just really the main concerns are that I suppose a lot of motorists including myself maybe you're not it's not something you encounter that often on the road you know you don't from time to time you might but um sometimes his concerns where some drivers are coming at speed and they continue to overtake the horse and the rider at speed some of them through and he did state this in his letter he said it's not out of malice it's more out of ignorance you know not knowing the right thing not knowing the right thing to do and some drivers while they're overtaken then give a beep you know to the and that might startle the horse you know and it could be a courteous beep it could be a courteous beep yet through no harm of their own they're trying to be polite but this could startle the horse you know the the horse rider could lose control of that animal as a result of that so it's just for people to be aware it's a shared space and just to be aware of what to do it's just nice to be nice to each other a bit patient think on each other a bit more exactly yeah yeah all right listen granny thank you very much as always and as ground you mentioned that information is available for you on the goddess you kind of facebook page you'll be able to watch share back to this item as well and just say one more thing you know me how he's have something else to say just one last thing but i just noticed the past few weeks the appeals and then this is a no way proportion and blame to anybody who's been a victim of any sort of crime but you know it just would appear from a lot of the appeals that a lot of doors are being left unlocked a lot of house patio doors front doors people are going to bed they're leaving them unlocked car doors you know we would just appeal to everybody please you know these people are out there they're opportunists they're going to seize the opportunity possibly if your doors locked they're going to force the door you know if they want to get in they may still try to get in but we would appeal to people just don't make their life easier you know make sure that everything's locked up before you go to bed lock up all your windows doors make sure that your car keys on show don't leave your car keys and show unlock your car even it's in your driveway people sometimes might feel safe you know their car is at home it's in their backyard or their house it's in their driveway these people will take any opportunity they can get to get into your property so please don't make life easy make sure everything's secure indeed okay great advice granny as always thank you very much indeed okay as i mentioned or i was going to mention the community guard information will be available for you to watch back again on our facebook page and on goddess you kind of facebook page as well in donna gall of course and it's back with you live on the radio tomorrow or not tomorrow next week after the 10 o'clock news on tuesday all right granny thanks once again thanks greg back shortly watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highland radio dot com the night till noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union offering low rate holiday loans with fast approval apply online at letterkennycu.ie or in office today if the medical experts get it wrong everything changes from misdiagnosis or delay diagnosis to surgical injury or even poor treatment all have physical emotional and financial consequences we're here to help so if your treatment 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you're watching the live stream you'll be able to see that as well as I say all going to plan in terms of timings and what have you we're joined on the program now by barrister michael old darty a very good morning to you michael thanks for joining us good morning great good to have you on board okay I think much this comes in cycles about influencers and their finances and and and what they have to declare or or don't have to declare it comes in waves and I think it's back to the fore again particularly in the context of you know the recent controversies at rte so what is the law governing social media influencers in in how upfront do they have to be that they're promoting or pushing a product for payment yeah it is back in the news Greg and he said specifically because of rte and and these various issues the law is a lot of people are kind of slightly confused about the law just kind of basically in terms of advertising and and why after why influencers are used and what their power is advertisers traditionally have always been able to just advertise products on television or radio or things like that to a very wide audience but they didn't really know their audience they didn't know if it was land the message was landing with them and they didn't get direct feedback so there was that on the one hand and then on the other hand there was word of mouth advertising which is what advertisers always like they prefer the word of mouth they feel us more personal it's more direct and it's a better form of of advertising the difficulty where word of mouth is was it would tend to be one-on-one you know family and friends would get recommendation from a particular person who had used a product or service and the advantage of influencers and why they're so popular is that they're a kind of hybrid they have a very wide audience many of them have hundreds of thousands of followers on social media but at the same time they're considered to have this personal connection with their followers and for that reason the advertisers like using the because they feel like they're talking to people individually they can get gage feedback straight away from the influencers if they offer discounts or or codes or anything like that so they understand how well their advertising is working the difficulty with this is that in traditional advertising it was the advertiser the brand itself that dictated how the ad was made with influencers it is the social media account holder themselves very often that entirely create the ad and create the message so the legal onus is on them to not to breach copyright not to use any images that they don't have copyright over not to defame anybody and most importantly what you refer to there to make it clear that the message that they are giving is a commercial communication and is not them just giving a friendly recommendation because that falls foul of consumer law there is the consumer protection act 2007 and that's the central part piece of legislation here in terms of of the reality of the situation so say i'm a radio or tv personality and i'm running around a shop picking up bottles of wine and going oh when i'm in here i love this one and blah it doesn't matter if i've never been in there before if i say i've tried this cream here and i have to say you know within days my skin looked like i was 25 again i may never have used that cream in the past you know there is stronger rules governing how you might advertise in the newspaper or on the radio or on the tv in terms of claims is there any legal responsibility in that regard as to the the the truth and and the the facts of what someone is being paid to advertise yeah i mean generally speaking Greg legally if you just like something and you say you go on your instagram account for example and say i really love this i recommend the people buy it there is no problem with that whatsoever so long as you are not getting a commercial benefit from doing so if you go on a holiday and you say i love this resort if you buy a pair of shoes and you say i love this pair of shoes everybody's happy there's no problem the problem occurs when you are being paid to do that when a brand reaches out to you and gives you a pair of shoes a pair of sandals for example and you wear them and you plug them on your instagram account and you say i love these sandals they go with me everywhere they're fabulous i recommend that to everybody and you will admit to say but the reason you're saying that is because you're being paid to do so that's when the problem occurs because that falls foul of misleading advertising under the consumer protection act unfair and misleading advertiser advertising is illegal it is strictly forbidden under the 2007 act now the problem as you can guess from the enact which is created in 2007 is that if was enacted long before influence was occurred so it was a game aimed kind of more towards traditional advertising and the problem is that the law has been slow to catch up with this new form of advertising where people create their own content and sometimes the message is a bit mixed you know sometimes they might say oh listen you know i've been asked by this brand to reach out to you or i'm doing a bit of work with this brand and they don't make it explicitly clear that there is a commercial relationship and that essentially why they're plugging it from why they like it is because there's a financial benefit to them to do so now i presume it's quite simply if i'm a contractor for a major major organization and i'm paid to plug a product i probably have a limited company as well or whatever way it's set up and that money would have to go through the books and you'd pay tax on it you know because you're the business effectively now i presume i mean there is the responsibility to do that and because it's probably high profile the tax man's going to have a look at that but say for instance i'm giving a gift you know i'm giving access to something that there's no actual exchange of money as such and in some cases nothing is asked in return like is that an income that i have to declare is there a tax liability on that you're right that that's a very interesting question and i think this is one of the central problems you're absolutely right if if a brand pays you to plug something online there's no controversy about the fact that that is income and you have to declare it you are probably self-employed you declare it in your end of your tax returns if however for example you are given a free holiday and you but you are given it in return for posting three or four videos while you're in holiday saying how much you like the resort or you are given a free kitchen and you take a video of it being installed and you plug the people who install it and things like that no money actually changes hands but you get the benefit of something that would have caused you money otherwise a lot of people are confused about this this is the equivalent of the benefit and kind tax whereby you get a company car and you have to pay tax on it okay you by law have to declare anything that you got for free or even at a discount in your end of your tax returns as though you had paid for it so if you get a 5000 euro holiday and you don't pay anything for it that is the equivalent of 5000 euro of income that you have to declare in your end of your tax returns the law is quite clear about that i think the enforcement of it is is is not quite so clear the degree to which influence influencers are chased or investigated for this is not clear i certainly haven't seen anything the papers about somebody being called but i suspect a lot of inferences who do this are unclear about this and think oh well if i'm not getting paid it's no big deal there's no tax implication they're very well maybe but if i then publicly claim that yes i was given this holiday but it was just they just gave me the holiday they never really asked me to talk about the holiday i maybe have i maybe have been seen on holiday you know i might have posted that i was on holiday but i never you know they never asked me to so it's not really an income it's a gift yeah it'd be a bizarre brand greg that gave you free holidays that expected nothing in return apparently it happens michael apparently it happens i think the inferences might claim that there was no obligation i think if the revenue decided to get tough they would approach the brand and say was there a contract show us the communications between you show us what was discussed and was promised i think a lot of difficulty getting away with that as i said very often you know and i know for a fact in the publishing industry free products get sent out to offices and people all the time and there is no obligation face creams makeup anything like that they just get sent out more in the hope that the person will post about there's no contract there's no agreement that's absolutely fine it's when it becomes a bigger thing as i said like a free kitchen or a car the use of a car for example they gave me a car and they asked for nothing in return really do you honestly expect us to believe that brands don't operate in that way there is a clear expectation that there is going to be something in return and that's where the difficulty arises and finally michael you know i mean the curtain's been pulled back on this influencing this influencer situation a few times now at this point i mean our advertisers at any point do you think or companies at any point gonna think it's kind of a bit of a toxic space to get into here now because people are are awake to the fact that maybe they're being sold a pop or i personally don't think that's the case because i think we've got incredibly short memories and as you say the word of mouth is a really valuable asset but i mean do you think people might be looking at their advertising budgets and and and you know there's already a pullback from some social media and and online stuff and and you know um do you think they will look at that go maybe the influencer scenes a wee bit toxic at the moment i think i think reg um i think the problem would occur if the brand became damaged you know if it's just the influencer doing themselves does the brand really care if they're getting the responsive they're getting the sales they couldn't care less whether or not realistically you know the influencers in trouble or is cutting corners or is being a bit fast and loose with tax or anything like that the problem occurs as it does in the uk where influencers are named and shamed we don't have that in Ireland the advertising stands for the whole party publishes people who breach the guidelines on their website but it doesn't name and shame them in the media in england they do and when the influencers are named and shamed the brand gets named as well and it tends to kind of get lumped in with you know an appearance of wrongdoing and that's the situation when it says well maybe we don't want to deal with that particular person you know but i think until the naming and shaming occurs the brands are perfectly happy clearly they are getting the response clearly they like the use of influencers now in tandem with other it hasn't replaced traditional advertising but it's now a very important element and unless there is kind of blowback against the brand itself i don't see any problem from their end and very finally in the interests of the consumer but also i suppose to level the playing field the consumer protection act of 2007 if it's not already being reviewed and looked at certainly needs some attention yeah it is i mean and you know what you're absolutely right about the playing field i think the problem has always been the traditional media newspapers radio stations magazines have always felt that their guidelines aimed at them that they have to follow whereas the social media influencers is the wild west they can do what they want i think if it was seen that the law was being applied equally to everybody then there would be no issue the advertising stance authority have said they are going to update their guidelines they're supposed to bring them out in the coming months in specifically influencers we'll wait to see if that happens listen really enjoy chatting to you thanks so much for your time have a lovely day right bye bye okay that's uh michael o'daherty he is a barrister just running through uh the the rules and regulations that do or don't cover influencers and also their uh tax liabilities that may or may not apply to them the nine till noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union offering low-rate car loans with fast approval apply online at letterkennycu.ie or in office today harkins have been providing customers with quality fireplaces doves and electric fires for over 30 years and now you can experience the elegance of luxurious work top from harkins their experience 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the standard of animal welfare is incredibly high we are world leaders in animal welfare now if you go into any nursing home or if you go into hospitals you go into any businesses if you go into enough of them you will eventually find the point not not one percent where you put bad behavior and that bad behavior highlighted by rte was out in no way can condone condone it totally condemned was it put in context enough for you jared do you know what i mean i suppose if it's not you it's not put in context what you have to understand is what's happened in rte so the first of all the timing was obviously the defect from the right integrity but also there's an agenda there's a liberal left agenda with an rte that don't want to drink and milk they don't want us eating beef they don't want us milk and cows they want Ireland to be some sort of a good big forest where everybody's going to be living in high-rise flats and i keep talking about the tremendous societal benefit of having family farms and people working in farms so no i don't condone for a moment what happened but what you need to emphasize is that is a no way reflective of the incredibly high animal welfare standard in Ireland i mean i'll give you an example over 40 years ago over 40 years ago i was sailing on boats from green even green over in county lout to go to egypt of cattle as a vet when no other country in the world was acquiring a vet to actually travel out with the cattle and it was like going on out on the cruise ship so to remember one particular sailing 1222 cattle 22 philippinos and dutch man on myself so the standards overall in ireland are actually way higher than anywhere else in the european union or in the world and yes and it was right to be highlighted but it's not in context this was just an attack on irish farm and purely to as i said deflect from the right incredibly and again to deliver the rte agenda which is an antique people not composed well i put it i put it to the to the ifa rep who didn't bite but you know speaking to people out there last evening in fairness now it was prior to the broadcast and there was a sense that you know when you're having a national debate about reducing the national herd about you know uh tough decisions that will affect farmers and farmers sort of pushing back on those i mean as i say i presume it was a coincidence but it's a nice little uh it's a nice little piece to put out there uh very very much so and you have to understand the agenda where this is coming i work in saudi arabia at that stage i work for the crown prince mateed work and i was actually looking after his horses but i would have known a lot of the vets that will work in the air and the dairy herds out there as well so let's look at the carbon impact from milk and cows in saudi arabia the imports are alfalfa he shipped by sea from kentucky they bring their maize and their soya shipped by sea from brazil all to come to saudi arabia where they then desalinate the water to in order to have water for the cows so the argument is somehow or other that ireland which produces grass with water the bombings you can see that from yesterday we should stop producing cow we should stop producing milk we should stop producing beef to allow countries with a far far higher carbon impact now the problem is when people calculate the carbon and talk about the Irish national herd when oil is produced in saudi arabia the carbon impact of that oil is not attributed back to saudi arabia it's attributed to where the petrol over the diesel is consumed when we produce beef in ireland 90 percent of the beef is consumed elsewhere 90 percent of the milk powder goes out to chain and so on and that is where the carbon impact should be attributed to but you have to stand back and look at where a lot of these gays are coming from they don't actually want a sparmine and I think too we can have the argument uh Jared it's often made you know yes but everybody has to do their bit but you could make a very strong argument to say yeah we're doing our bit let us produce the milk and the beef because look at how we're doing it let others do the bits who are uh doing it with a far greater impact on the environment unless we're talking about not drinking milk or or eating beef at all so in a way our farming practices and continuing to do them is actually doing orbit if it displaces the practices that are more damaging than other parts of the country uh the world sorry listen you you have had the nail on the head it makes an awful lot more take your thinking argument the milk is produced in the netherlands that milk is produced in massive feedlots where they have a thing called zero grazing where the cows actually stand in all day and the alfalfa is brought over from the states and then similarly they bring maize and so on over from south america but you have to actually scrape the surface and look at these guys that talk about producing the national herd what they're really talking about is that they don't actually want us eating beef and they don't want to drink in milk now the campgrounds sort of adds that they do in england where you see in the signs of double-deckers you know meat is a murder and you know taking milk to sticking babies from the camps so they realize that's not going to work with any of us public so they have to do it in a more sinister way and one of the sinister ways is that you know trying to challenge us unfairly on welfare or try to get the carbon argument honestly the carbon argument just does not stack up because our cows from a welfare point of view they're out there grazing grass we have a really really low carbon footprint in terms of what we actually produce now in terms of the expansion in the dairy here that has occurred in the last 10 or 15 years all we are trying to do and all we're starting to do is get to where we should have been 40 50 years though had we not had an artificial quota imposed on us for the european union nobody's talking about that debate so what happened in the european union because we were so underdeveloped as a country because economically that we hadn't progressed in 50s and 60s everyone else had become way more advanced in dairy production then we drew a line in the sand and says right there's a quota thus far shall that go no further nobody else is allowed to expand so what has actually happened in the last 10 years in irelanders we're only starting to catch up with other countries but you have to go back and look at the real agenda of rte and the real agenda of rte is some sort of a vegan agenda well let me let majority you've made that point so and and so you've obviously given this some consideration so eu wide that agenda does not necessarily exist because that we are we are negotiating deals that would actually see us importing cattle from brazil potentially right so the aim is not to absolutely at this time anyway to eliminate you know beef consumption milk consumption but there is definitely a drive for us to reduce our our our production here what is driving that is where is the pressure coming from is it simply that the farmers are seen as the easiest option to reach our targets across the board we are just we are just seen us farmers are just seen as the easy target i will give you a case in point to what we were doing last week we had an organic inspection last week from the Irish Organic Association and the uncles were home from school and without the inspector we have galloway cows grazed in 2000 potable sea level on lava moor mountain tremendous biodiversity for flora and or fauna will produce organic beef very very little carbon impact so in terms of what we can do and in terms of what we can achieve nationally to reduce carbon it's very easy to have a good farmers and i would be very critical of us farmers generally because we are far too meek and we're far too modest and actually fighting our case and saying hold on a second we fulfill a massive societal rule in farm families we provide a tremendous role in terms of the economy and this argument that somewhere or other but just devastating the national heritage and it's an easy way to say yeah that's it's solved we've got a carbon problem and we have solved the carbon problem by having a good farmers yeah but how do you counteract the likes of a program last night you see because everything's an information war now well war it's a bit dramatic to call it that don't get me wrong but everything that happens is is to capture the i am not for a moment totally i am not for a moment defending what happened no i'm not saying you are i'm not saying for a moment you are those people should be those people should be prosecuted but you have to go look in the greater scheme of things and in the greater scheme of things and this is where there was no balance from rt at all if you went into the full mark and first year into milford mark and saturday churn mark and monday you would see incredibly high standards of animal welfare and this is the difficult thing it's because you know as i mentioned to you if you went into enough nursing homes you would eventually find one in a thousand for standards for so you have to stand back and say to rt there was no context in what you did there was no context in terms of you're actually saying that our animal welfare standards are acknowledged worldwide i've been world leaders okay listen it's always an interesting conversation thanks for your time this morning have a lovely day brilliant let's them talk talk to them all right take care all right that's dr jared roti who is a vet um and that's just as a a bit of a balance a bit of a reaction to that show that was broadcast last night last night not to say that i don't think anyone would condone such behavior or not be aghast by it but i think the conversation is just how reflective of things all right coming up after 11 o'clock we're hoping to bring you the opening statements from nor kelly and ryan tobrady from i think it's a committee room one we'll stay with it for a quarter for an hour anyway because their statements really all the interesting information i think is going to be in there so if you want to watch that by the way um you can hop on to youtube highland radio arland and you can watch it there as well but on radio land you're going to be listening to the audio across our facebook pages and also by watching live so if you want to hear stay with us hear the opening statements we've a lot to get through in the last hour as well so we might have to cut away if they ramble too much but in any case it's just to give you a sense in the sample as to uh what defense is being offered because it's as i said earlier on rt are already because they had sight of these statements are already issuing statements rejecting the contents they're in very interesting the night until noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union with monster 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watch the show live now on youtube facebook and at highland radio dot com okay it is 11 o'clock let's get a news update and welcome back into studio donna marie darting thanks gregg good morning garady are investigating a burglary that occurred at a house in the area of lock view bunk rana in the early hours of wednesday morning last its understood entry was gained via an unlocked patio door and the keys for a black oddy a4 and the drive were taken and the car subsequently stolen meanwhile approximately two hours beforehand the attempted theft of a car occurred in aard crana bunk rana garady are investigating any hearings or sightings of a silver volvo jeep for both cases rte has already issued a statement in response to claims made by ryan tubardy and nol kelly the state broadcaster redirects the claim that incorrect version of events was presented to the public's accounts committee both men are due to appear in the eroctus shortly around now investigations are ongoing regarding the theft of a car from aard ban long lane letter kenny in the early hours of thursday morning last at around 4 30 a.m the door of the silver mazda demio partial registration 10 ke 17 the world was forced open by two men the stolen car was then located the following afternoon at beechwood grove lyford garady are repeating to anyone with information to make contact a letter kenny councillor has described the closure of iceland shortly for following the loss of argos as disappointing for the town councillor jerry mcmonagall says he feels for the staff involved at both sites he hopes the premises at courtyards shopping centre won't be empty for too long over 1000 donnie golf suckler farmers have applied to join the new suckler carbon efficiency program around 40% are yet to become members of board bea's beef sustainable beef and lamb assurance scheme one of the conditions attached to the scheme is that farmers must have been audited and cleared by board bea by october 16th and the farmery formerly finally psn i are warning voters that letter kenny road and dairy is currently closed in both directions following a road traffic collision diversions are in place at the junction on lone mur road drivers are advised to avoid the area if possible those are the latest headlines back again at 12 good afternoon you just pretty much exhausted every word in f under f in the uh farming on the brain so i do i know we all do listen donnery thank you very much indeed okay the chair of the public's accounts committee is currently running through the rules as to uh what will uh what can and cannot be said we're going to take a very short break then we're going to go live and see what uh mr's uh tobrady and uh kelly have to stay stay right at where you are hi i'm mary i'm daniel shavon guess what i like bet it's aldi i just like how much i can get for my money you can feed the family for great value at aldi and i like to specially select the range like arlands first ever diamond taste award winner specially selected dry aged black angus rib ice steak it's quality so if you like great value and award-winning irish steaks it's got to be aldi arlands most reputable supermarket i call it says i agree with jared explaining it honestly as it is i full confidence in the quality and safety of irish meat and milk i know how strict the quality assurance procedures are chaotic in this country and other were they not irish caste in them marks and lorries another please stop generalizing there are many on the left that support dairy farming and jared's justice view and you've had an opportunity to rebuke that is that award rebuke uh hi greg in relation to people being scammed well not being scammed at guarantees by the way just have to be really careful with the language it is just the way it operates and most people it doesn't impact them when they're fine with it but this caller says they should return to cash it just shows you people don't have control of the money if we go digital greg can you please ask the guard how common is drink spiking within the county having horror stories that are doubling a group coming into the county and spiking drinks in local bars people whose drink is spiked instantly get uncomfortably hot and go outside for fresh air and the group waiting there to take their bag wallets as they are disorientated the caller says we are talking sorry we say we're talking to young finnegale tomorrow on their anti uh spiking bill uh funny when you lose your job in me the government all over at the tv and in letter kenny not a word uh from them give us more details as to what you're referring there okay good morning to you all and here's ryan topping thank you for exceeding to my request to to come before you today we felt it was really important to be here um i've always believed in the importance of public service um i was brought up that way and i've great respect for the iraq as an institution i've come here as you know voluntarily because i believe in the work that you as a committee are doing i don't say that in any other way other than that i want to assist in every way i can i appreciate that you'll have a lot of questions so i'm going to try to keep my opening statement as short as possible i begin by clearly and unambiguously at the very outset this morning as state that i'm truly sorry for all of this and for any part which i have played and uh be it consciously or unconsciously and anything that has contributed to the debacle that that we're dealing with today i'd like to apologize to the committee that they've had to take this time to deal with this matter today and to my colleagues in ortee and to my listeners so given the events of the last three weeks there is a lot that i wish to uh say and there's a lot that i need to say so please bear with me my aim today is to help correct and clarify some very serious matters and i'll be relying on my agent no kelly here to go through the figures and provide greater detail i'd like everybody here today to understand that the figures and statements presented by ortee over the last few weeks in relation to my remuneration have created a fog of confusion a fog of confusion over what i was paid and when i was paid and what i knew and when i knew it full transparency and disclosure and ortee's part i'm sorry to say would simply have avoided so much of this and i'm here to do one thing and one thing only ladies and gentlemen and and and committee members and that is to set the record straight and to call out some untruths and it's my belief that there are seven material untruths that i'd like to address and the first is as follows this claim that i did not take a pay cut from ortee in 2020 this is not true i took a 20% pay cut from ortee in my 20 to 20 to 2025 contract simple as that i took a 20% pay cut from ortee i'm obliged to do and present 205 radio shows and 38 as it was then live two hour late late shows under this contract i am what's called an independent contractor i get no pension or entitlements from ortee that's the nature of it under the terms of my contract i'm allowed to do additional work outside of ortee that's also the nature of it and i stress that there is nothing morally ethically or legally wrong with me or any independent contractor doing additional work for another client outside of ortee but to be clear i took a pay cut from ortee of 20% in 2020 for each of the five years of my contract at a cost of 525 000 euro to me over the length of that contract it's an awful it it it i'll move on to my second untruth the suggestion that my decision to retire from the late late show was prompted by this whole tobacco this is not remotely true i wasn't aware of any of this fiasco when i decided to retire from the late late show i made my initial decision to leave the late late show pretty much a year ago it was very personal it was made in the heart and in the soul around this time i mentioned it to those closest to me my family and my agent and a few others and they were surprised they were very surprised why would you leave such a show and explain to them and eventually brought them around to my way of thinking that among other things i had left a lot of me on the floor in the studio after covid and during covid i was burnt out being honest with you and i was exhausted a lot of people in this country as you know were burnt out and exhausted after covid doing a lot more important jobs than i was doing but i'm just telling you from where i'm coming from so i turned it over in my mind over a few months but by the time i got to january there was no turning over in my mind i knew it was time to go i made the decision and just just to make it abundantly clear there is zero connection between my departure and this very raw situation of recent weeks i informed management on march 13th of this year i first became aware of this grand thornstone review in may some two months later and even then i had no inkling of the bombshell which was to come by norty release their statement on june 22nd the third untruth is that i was covertly or secretly overpaid by or t this is not true i was not overpaid by or t at any point i fully accept i'm very very well paid i understand that but i was fully paid in accordance with my contract which my agent negotiated openly and honestly and in good faith there are no overpayments now there are or t's under declarations which we challenged them on back in 2020 and there are indeed or t's over declarations of which they actually paid me in 2020 in 2021 this has caused justifiable anger among my colleagues i understand that and we're going to deal with all of that in the next few hours and indeed the next six hours or more will stay for as long as it takes the upshot of or t's in accurate declarations is an impression that i've been less than honest this is not the case the fourth untruth is that i was aware that or t were trying to conceal payments to me this is not true i was not aware that or t were concealing payments to me or t acknowledged this in their statement of June 22nd 2023 when they stated that grant Thornton had made no findings against me the fifth untruth there was a secret agreement with reno that i tried to conceal this is not true but not only that it beggars belief think about it i had a separate commercial agreement with reno the basis of which was that i would make public appearances and perform road shows and things for them and the work that i've done for reno is all over social media the suggestion that was a secret makes no sense the sixth untruth that or t's underwriting of reno's payment obligations was a secret this is not true or t's underwriting of reno's payment obligations was not a secret as the documents we've prepared for you today show and as my agent will explain in more detail or t committed in february 2020 to provide this guarantee in the early stages of contract negotiations around my 2020 to 25 contract this is unequivocally confirmed in an email dated critical document 20th of february 2020 from breeder oakief to my agent it was copied to other members of the executive board the director general the or t solicitors everyone in or t who needed to know new you'll find this on page 10 of the booklet of documents you have in front of you fire from being secret it was well known and finally the seventh untruth that i did not ask or t about their under declarations of my earnings when they released the 2017 18 and 19 earnings as they did all in one day january 20th 2021 this is a question i did not ask at the time this is a question i should have asked i fully fully accept that but i will try and explain briefly and as clearly as humanly possible at the end of the 2015 to 20 contract my agent advised me that i was entitled to a phenomenally large figure payment of 120 000 euro that has been variously called a loyalty or an end of contract or a an exit payment i did not invoice for that payment i did not pursue that payment and i did not receive any payment the documents provided to you bear this out in my simple view i had foregone that payment for 120 000 euro but not taken it but because of how or t reported that decision in their accounts you hear like the narrative of the last three weeks has been that not only did i take this payment but that i somehow contrived to hide it so let me reiterate i actually waived my entitlement to this payment and i didn't receive one cent of it i hid nothing i had nothing to hide as the evidence provided to you today shows my agent had already pointed out to or t in 2020 that we thought the manner in which they were planning to account for my earnings in 2017 18 and 19 was incorrect and we had understood that they accepted our position so that by the time they released the figures i assumed that the chief financial officer the financial professionals in or t and the external auditors who had ordered the accounts in these years 17 18 90 had accountancy reasons for accounting for it the way they did so i'd like to add that my company earnings fully reflect what i earned in these and all subsequent years and particularly upset and disappointed about the decision and framing of the or t statement of june 22nd which inextricably linked my name to this hall fiasco my name was mentioned 15 times in that statement 15 times and i was not consulted once i did not have the grand thorn to report which or t had and which or t acknowledged made no findings of wrongdoing on my part i asked or t to clarify that this was the case they did four days four days after much of the damage much of the damage was done pretty much all of the damage was done i signed a contract in good faith i declared my earnings i paid every cent of tax my employer has acknowledged that it has engaged in deceptive practices to pay me practices that were hidden from me the result i'm nearly finished forgive me for over going the result of this is that i've become the face of a national scandal i've been accused of being complicit deceitful and dishonest i think the statement of june the 22nd was very unhelpful in this regard the full truth was concealed i take full responsibility i can't say it enough i take full responsibility for not asking more questions back on january the 20th 2021 when the figures for that 2017 18 and 19 were released i take responsibility for that i understand but i have become abundantly clear and obvious in the last three weeks this highlights the existence of two ortees two there are those who are involved in attempting to conceal payments and who were in a position to call me or call my agent and ask for our help in establishing the full facts instead they chose to hurriedly issue a deeply deeply damaging statement on june 22nd which failed to include the full facts i have nothing but respect and admiration for that great number of decent hardworking people in ortee my colleagues my friends and i'm very sorry for those whose lives have been made difficult with an incessant dripping of new revelations and think in particular of my radio show colleagues and friends that they've had to be put through all of this for reasons not of their own making they work hard they all work hard in ortee and i want to thank those colleagues who've supported me through these last few weeks and in closing i'd like to thank the many people from across the country who've taken time to stop me on the street decent iris citizens taking my shoulder and my elbow and their hands and saying you'll get through this i have nearly a foot off the ground high ground high of cards and letters from people who've written to ryan tuberdy dublin and i got them fair play to the post people in on post and i thank the irish people for that i am hopeful that they will see from my statement and my appearance here today that i am determined to inform them of the truth and to demonstrate that i've nothing to hide and i'm also hopeful that i will soon get back on air to do the job i love all right that's ryan tuberdy there addressed in the public accounts committee very very strong words coming from him in opposition to to not an opposition to but start calling out rte in their handling of the situation that he uh wasn't consulted when perhaps he could his agent wasn't consulted when he perhaps he could and that he wasn't complicit in any of this cover up whatsoever that is his position um and uh his agent no kelly will listen to about two minutes of this and then we'll break away uh we'll break away and get back to our regular programming this is his agent no kelly huge respect for and we haven't spoken to anybody else we just wanted to get the opportunity to put our side across i'll try and breathe brief as i possibly can but um if you'll allow me so her look and decadence thank you for the opportunity to meet with you today i hope this meeting will help to clarify the confusion which has arisen over the past few weeks at the outset i want to say that we appreciate the seriousness of all of these issues the controversy over the past few weeks has been damaging to rte but it's also been hugely damaging to rite property to myself and to my own business earlier today we circulated a pack which we believe with the key documents that will help understand this crisis the document runs 39 pages and it includes relevant excerpts from rines 2015 and 2020 contracts with rte extracts from the accounts of rines company for the relevant years various mails which track the back and forth the negotiations for the 2020 rte contract with rena we've made reductions where necessary but we can as transparent as possible to inform you with all the information at our disposal i want to highlight a number of documents which we go which will go to the heart of the issues let me start with rines under declaration of payments made to rine when the republic figures for 17 18 19 and in january 21 this issue has caused a lot of distress and it's entirely a mess of rte's own making rines contract from 2015 pages one to four of the pack clearly states the fees he received in each of the following five years and they're set out in clause 8.1 of the contract it was 495 495 545 545 545 for the five years he received those fees exactly nothing more and nothing less this is confirmed to the extracts from rines filed accounts company total reductions which we also include in the pack all right we will break away there because really what effectively knoll kelly is doing is he's providing the evidence as to what ryan toberty has already said so there were seven clear issues that ryan toberty has taken with that whole process but now what we have is his agent going through a 39 page document to support mr toberty in his claim so we just wanted to bring you that i think will keep you up to date of course on the news in context with the wider more important stuff that's going on but this is just 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McLaughlin the chief executive of donagall counter council john thanks so much for your time good morning greg it's great to have you with us okay right so um i suppose we'll get straight into it then what is the council's role what role does it play in the implementation of the enhanced scheme that was recently announced um even maybe by way of comparison if it's changed to its role in the original scheme yeah great again oh thanks for the opportunity to come on as well in the it's a good place to start most people that are listening and connected here will understand the whole scheme very very well and in that or or we're two main roles one is to administer on behalf of government the scheme as written by government and we also made the technical assessment which meant the determination for people in terms of what was the appropriate or the right term was the minimal remedial option and that translated the money and so on for for individuals or for applicants the big change now is that we're still responding for the administration the entire administration of it however the housing agency has entered and they will do all the technical assessment and the testing and they will determine i suppose the the the fix and the money money people will get and that's a significant change in our role and it uh it's intended to represent a streamlining of the process a simplification and and tend to be better for homeowners in that they won't have much money to spend up front uh i suppose time will tell and there's a lot of public commentary and i think the the uh then indeed the council of concerns as well and well publicize but think we're at a point now it's been rolled out the council will be making every effort to make it work where it can and then seek changes on an ongoing basis and we're still engaged with government in that how are you uh in terms of resources available to you to take on this and especially uh as it most likely will expand because and we'll talk about this in a moment it's more affordable for people to sort of get their houses checked in in the most simple term so in terms of the staff that you have available to you to do your end of it are you well resourced or do you need more or what's the story yeah and i should clarify Greg we have to finish off the 849 applications under the old scheme that have been approved so we have to see those through entirely uh and then to go on the new ones and uh the new scheme opened yesterday yesterday with one application as example about 23 people registered so we'd expect a big flow from those who can that can work for in terms of staffing or on our old scheme we had generally about six or seven people at the administration end and six or seven with with them temporary help on the engineering we have at it now uh by the end of july we'll have seven more people going to the administration and uh the government said the support isn't that so we a lot will depend on the flow of applications as i said our our role is somewhat reduced uh but nonetheless still important we'd see over time the engineering rule will step away from that and that'll entirely be with the housing agency we'll just do that to finish off those uh 850 applications and it's a length of a piece of string of course but how long will it take do you think for you to work through those 845 uh applications yeah we're we're anticipating it'll be a number of months we're going to do it on a prioritized basis what do i said we will we will we will prioritize those who are at construction who need the money immediately to uh to either pay off or finish construction will work from that top down uh and then in parallel we're going to process the new applications under the new scheme with a separate uh pipeline of work uh but there will be several months we'd urge people uh and i think to uh and we're getting hundreds and hundreds of calls already to read the uh the uh your questions answered documents so on we will we will be in touch with each applicant and the the importance of how to transition those uh those existing applications onto the new scheme and we're looking to do that on that prioritized basis we're looking have a look how can we how can we deal with uh what people would uh would often say the vulnerable applicants how to identify those and be how to get the worst fixed first under the old scheme that is a theme of the new scheme well we're talking to the department back and forth and that we haven't quite figured out what's the best way to do that but there's a real uh willingness to do that and i would expect that to evolve over the next uh month or so yeah and how quickly are people moving through it you know because i mean there's a lot of moving parts here isn't there i mean does the council's rule it's it's the it's the access to uh maybe money if they're only if they're required at this point or access for people to do the work you know there's a lot of moving parts here isn't there there is and in terms of how the only one we know at the moment how quickly they're moving is the existing scheme that's been very very slow at the moment there's a a total of 75 75 properties that are either fully fixed or underway and a further 20 or so have got their stage two approvals so we'd expect those to advance fairly quickly those are probably people who are in a position to advance that the new scheme brings new things and new uh limits and so on so hopefully when people get uh get their heads around all that that'll allow many more to come in and i do accept there'll be people who it doesn't work for and there'll be a category that'll have to keep on pushing people what can be done to make it work for them yeah um but i mean obviously all this building activities already on top of all building activities and all this is not necessarily a concern but for you but you'd be across it i mean do we know how many houses realistically we can be repairing on an annual basis not a figure that i would hold you to but just has that conversation come up between you and your team as i say it's much that's outside of your responsibility but just as a curiosity no one i suppose it is outside of responsibility in terms of the application process but as a council we're very interested in that not just for the in terms of the the the medial measure but even our own construction of houses yeah and other buildings and there is a huge uh uh need for extra construction works and don't go all under supply of materials and uh indeed uh it's very difficult to see how that will be speeded up yeah and much that's outside of everyone's control but there's a there's a traffic jam coming uh just in terms of housing purely based on the fact that activity versus materials and those available to carry out those activities but i could see if people have a line of sight maybe the bigger builders and so on of a guaranteed workload and a definite supply of most of payments and materials and people others may move into this market in dunagall and the other affected counties but we have it's a two to three billion euro scheme it's a massive opportunity in that sense for builders and suppliers and i suppose the early days will be important to get this off and running on a pathway it gives that line of sight to those involved and perhaps people return and know there's talk about extra apprenticeships which is good for dunagall but that all takes time yeah we need builders who are already established to move in and help with this and i think the type of buildings may change as well they'll talk about modern methods of construction i mean home was built within factories digging out we may see some of that now emerge rather than maybe hoping at some point that the developers or contractors or however you might describe them sort of see the opportunities do we need to be doing be it through the department of housing or or the council proactively sort of almost marketing it and saying you know we need you here these are the opportunities but it's such a small market you would imagine if anyone's interested they'd be aware of it well yeah and we have had those conversations directly with the department made some suggestions uh they definitely had in the last number of weeks and that's when this really came to the closure uh the focus when getting the scheme ruled out and what could be done not done in the time available and indeed the legislation was passed but i do believe there will be a need there to uh uh if the scheme works and people some people are saying it's not going to work for them others are saying it will work if it works successfully i think that'll be the catalyst for those things to follow in the drive and indeed the uh while we have we have many more houses in the other the other counties that are affected we have to keep in mind we have a lot of houses to build ourselves new houses on top of our stock we've over a thousand effects from our existing stock so the council have a massive workload on top of this as well so it's going to be a very busy time for builders in the coming years yeah and i want to come to your own stock in a in a in a moment again i know you've you you come in to talk about how the council's work in the the scheme and and some of the questions i'm asking is a bit of opinion but we'll get back to but in like say 23 houses yesterday i think there's going to be thousands more as as you know people come up with the six or seven hundred euro whatever it might be to get testing like do do we have a target or an idea of what we can deliver on an annual basis in real terms so in other words if someone uh if someone were in a reasonably conditioned house were to test today like realistically when might they even sort of see if they're approved and everything work on their property yeah i know and that's a good point and that's one way to be pushing for it was an overall program manager for the entire to control the entire process look at those that has not been a seeded to uh and we had our own uh and i can't talk with all on air here but our own suggestion that regard that somebody would control both the uh the flow the cash flow the supply chain and all the rest so you got a realistic timelines and single out those that are worse to get fixed first and set maybe a number a year timeline and that they that would bring you that but also the council day we can't we can't give that answer and and also to we have to be aware now there's other parties involved in this is there's only a certain amount under the council's control and the council itself would be making suggestions and recommendations that you and your team might believe might make this work better but you can't necessarily implement them yourselves you have to you can kick them up the chain and see what they think but your hands can be tied in certain areas to some extent too yeah and i'm saying that we we we wear the hat the wider hat have been a local authority not just administrators of the scheme so we have a huge interest both their members and the staff on seeing uh donnie gall houses fixed and that's we're coming at more than just the administration of the scheme in terms of following rules that are given to us so we will continue to press for those and uh i think uh the next number of months will be critical in terms of how this rolls out and will people get on board and will it work for them uh there's no doubt several people are waiting on this announcement and uh i'm going to say 23 yet 23 judges only one application came in but we expect that to increase dramatically and we would expect ourselves ready for that our role is uh simplified and then it'll move to the house the housing agency who as we understand have a number of consultants ready to go first so just in the interests of clarity and i know you kind of outlined it at the beginning but just to break it down into terms that i can understand or right uh just so we know the role of the council going forward okay so we'll park what's happening currently and we'll just pretend we're starting from scratch now with this enhanced scheme so just to be really clear what will the council be involved in in this process versus the the the housing authority yeah step one for a housing applicant or an applicant to the scheme is to apply to us with a number of documents our role is simply to validate those documents and then if it's complete we pass that on to the housing agency then the housing agency is do all the assessments and determine what is the appropriate solution and the grant they then pass that back to us which which maybe people will be a bit surprised at these it's in that to us we send it to the homeowner and then the homeowner knows they then get get an architect or building a building professional arcade engineer or surveyor to prepare remedial plans to match that option or they can go even higher but the grant is fixed then they resummit that to the council and theory that's where Dan's and we pay the bills but at this point and i'm not trying to pick holes in it because this is not the platform of the conversation for this at this point though we don't really know if the science will tell us that you can't really do our to leave then it's going to be full demolition or we don't know if you know foundations will will not be included what impact do you think that will have in terms of the application and process i.e. do i hold off and maybe it's unfair question to ask you do i hold off to find out you know should i waste my time on on an option that's an outer leaf and no foundations when maybe early next year it will be a full demolition and the the foundations might be included i'm not saying that will but they might like you know do i wait or do i get into the process now because you know there's so much energy already going into this from people emotionally they might not really know is it is that a question that you can answer no but what i will answer in the context i can't give a direct answer but that depends on people's individual circumstances how cracked is your house and so forth but when i look at our own figures here for the 850 approvals that we have given given out already 527 of those have been full demolition right so it's almost almost a two for one that are full demolition already on the old scheme so if that's a snapshot you could say well a lot on that space for demolition in terms of the ratio so all of those people would have been absolutely certain that the right thing to do is apply there is that issue of foundations that's not answered yet but what i suggest there's only a personal suggestion if you replace an entire house it makes a lot of sense to replace the foundation even though people find it hard to find the money for that but almost impossible replace the foundation later on a new house is built yeah so it's uh and i don't understand there's a lot of debate on that and that'll come but it's quite slow yeah but think these the sensible thing of a will cut back on someone else that may be easier to replace if you can't afford it and do the foundations until that's that's that's answered and then yeah yeah so it's uh i think it's it's really back to people's individual circumstances uh there's nothing wrong i think with applying if you're in a position to apply and you and you know you understand the facts the housing age is committed to the fixing the worst first so that would imply more than likely apply the worst it would be fixed obviously first and uh quite possible those would be demolitions so if i contact the council uh is it is it your your team that will get my house tested no okay i'm sorry i'm asking the same question you know you're okay great yeah yeah uh so i i'm just kind of trying to give people a realistic expectation that if they apply today when they might get a visual inspection or a test um on on their property we don't really know that at this point do we no we don't and there's no point in me guessing that that'll be a matter for the housing agency and it'll take in fairness probably a number of cases run through the process to get that solidified so the steps are you apply to us all documents complete and it would stress very important in this new scheme to all the documents complete what we've been told is our job is to assess are they complete or not if they're not complete as i understand it we're supposed to refuse it and they'll send it back as such refuse it you refuse it and then there's an appeal process so it's all built around to supply the documents first time in and then they move across the housing agency providing it's validated we're looking to see if there are a way of giving some scope for that for people who might be missing someone but it's designed to speed it all up is it is it a complex set of documents that have to be furnished in the first instance or is it a case of just making sure you're across everything before you do provide them to the council yeah yeah yeah well it's it's a favorite in order then you'd say it's it's straightforward yes okay for example let's say your your your house is on a site perhaps that's gifted by a parent or someone it's not in your own name those things then make it complicated so for those people it seems very complicated but they might be able to demonstrate ownership uh so it'll depend on the circumstances is that ownership of the land sorry yes yeah you have to be the owner so you could have the house and it could be mortgaged in your name but the the land could be part of a family farm or something yeah you have to be able to show your owners so those things make it complicated in some cases yeah and there's other things as well so it's does that involve a change of ownership or a declaration on behalf of a number of parties or how's that square circle I actually don't know the exact there I know it's about flags and issue number times even the old scheme yes but ideally you know it was registered in your name is there any other potential pitfalls that people could look out for putting you on the spot here off the top of your head yeah yeah I think I think I'm not going to just guess those that people rather than mostly people but think it's that if you go through the exact checklist and get help if you need to that question is answered do can you prove you on the land or something yeah and I think you emphasize that right at the very beginning and I think really it's to to make sure that people aren't refused and then having to enter an appeals process is to just go through the Q's and A's check all the T's across the eyes are dotted before you before you you submit your application yeah another point I might just mention Greg the on the old scheme and there'll be a lot of talk with the FIA request for their information or sometimes incomplete information most of that surrounded the engineering assessments and now that'll be actually gone over to the housing agency where they do the entire package so that should remove that set of FIA's just and we'll come back to that the scheme just because we'd be contacted by I would know people personally that are living in council owned property and maybe someone called out to the house a year ago this is what was related to me personally recently and they've heard nothing since they don't know they've got no heart in the house no love for the house they don't know what's going to happen they don't know if they're going to get accommodation nearby or how all that works where are you at in terms of is it a thousand of your housing stock at this point that we know to be affected yeah yeah there's there's different numbers match me between between the thousand 1500 based on visual inspections by our own team and we would have gone around and looked at them the at the moment we have no authorization to fix those houses the department and we might as well say it here that's we were told we wouldn't get that onto the other scheme was running and that's uh I suppose that's a strategy uh but we expect that to come to us shortly we've applied a number of times and made suggestions as much as two years ago we thought originally we've become the uh perhaps fix some housing people set some examples in terms of how to do those but we're I suppose in some sense held back but we expect that to get freed up now soon so it would mean for our tenants and they're putting up with that but they could be hoped now coming down the road to them we would have visually inspected them all we've moved out some people or we were determined we needed to do that and we we faced this exact same situation and it is it's it's a terrible situation for us all in the county because you're looking at the same property that someone in a privately owned property might look at you're maybe looking to get a contractor on site that maybe the private property might be but there's not an awful lot can be done about that this is just everything coming all at once to some extent yeah no that's why I would say what it really needs the program manager to control all that and actually uh so what the council wouldn't be fixed let's just put an example particularly fictions let's say hundreds of houses that could be delayed for a few years as an example to allow others in so that really ought to be looked at in terms of how that would be programmed that would require a team too not a single person I'd imagine because that's a complex piece of work oh yeah that program management team that'll cry an entire team with the proper I suppose motivation yeah as well um hello hopes all well can you highlight this to john please where would hope where would a homeowner get this piece of documentation um and it's a question here it is a question for uh sub section d details of quality control of construction products and materials used now i'm not sure if you're fully across that whole document to whatever people be struggling with where would i get that information yeah i'm not sure in that that detail i think the best thing that should contact the the unit in the council that's dealing with that yeah of course and as i say i think we have to understand we can't this is not a q and a about the intricacies of it but certainly call the team and get that checked um before you uh subjected can the CEO shedding the light on speculation that land bought by dcc for four million for housing is to be allowed out for grazing animals that's completely separate i don't know do you don't anything about that oh i've seen that in uh one of the local social media right now i didn't i thought that was to be housing related sorry two punch had made it let's say we didn't pay four million for it that's the first air that's definitely below that and it's a temporary letting we have to go through planning and so on like i did not know that was about that's okay but so no harm to get an answer right so in terms of then uh understand again i'm probably sounding really quite sympathetic but i think you have to be to all parties here in that your stuff are working through this as well you know uh they're discovering and learning how it works so in the early stages there's going to be teething problems presumably as people get across all the knowledge and what have you john well there is and we've already submitted some clarification questions and we only opened yesterday about uh the transition arrangement and how to calculate certain things uh it was important we start off in the right footing here it would be thousands of houses following so the uh the templates that we follow for example uh on the payment grants and somebody complete is the is the amount you spent or is there's the ceiling if they uh and we believe we know we'll ask between that clarified but that applies everyone the calculation of floor area for example you what are you an upstairs attic what are we using for storing your christmas decorations what qualifies as floor area all those have to be uh i suppose well defined so people follow them and understand what to uh to get okay i was probably some of that stuff it's putting us in a position to some extent not trying to pitch you against the the other guys but i mean you would have hoped that kind of stuff would have been clarified at this point but i suppose that's working through the first few applicants and stumbling across it's like uh stumbling across these issues yeah and in fairness there's been discussions on that but the practical work is when you work on specific example some things turn up that can affect hundreds or more people yeah as a part of the first one done right yeah exactly uh call to say is just their concern that if they replace the foundations that your class then is a new build and you'd have to build current building regulations as its new build and then maybe you couldn't apply for the sea energy upgrade grant so who answers questions like that john do you know if someone wants to be just sure that they're not like can your team do you think be across things like that or i think that one is a good enough question i think an sea separate from us even though we've been talking to them and they have said they would interject their grant at the appropriate time so homeowner would know the maximum out the the the dcb grant plus the sea before they start designing their house they know that uh in terms of a pick up the new ones there in terms of the scheme uh i think there'll be the the department have to provide the clarification there okay another good question so say someone has uh already had testing this people are on stage two okay they owe the engineers four grand now if they were applying now the the the engineers fees would be much less they still owe those the engineers that money don't they i mean that's that's a private arrangement presumably between the homeowner and whomever did their testing yeah although they will recover those through the scheme all anybody's a stage two they're on the old scheme right so they'll remain with us to the end with the county council so they get to talk to our team see if that's their list they can get that refunded but we're refunding fees all the time yeah okay anything else that i'm not touching on that you think it's worthwhile mentioning uh john because i don't want you to walk out here and i i haven't asked a pertinent question because it's such an important issue no look at what i'd say yes uh you know this has been with us for many years and i think uh the way it's evolved over the last number of years it's been very difficult in the county council i'd say and for all our citizens and sometimes it pits one against the other which doesn't get the best outcome collectively even though people are people and that's the way it works and uh i think uh what i'd like to hope this can be uh perhaps at some level a fresh beginning where we work together uh for the good of the county and collectively work on those things you talk about the supply chain the builders what's the most sensible if you're in charge of everything what would you do and i think that's the space we'd like to get in i think we've had we've had a late involvement directly with the department but it was quite positive in the last four weeks and that held up the scheme getting signed yeah we haven't given up on that and they they're willing to continue that so and they've set up some new processes for us uh we'll continue to play our part in that and we have we we are strong across staff and elected members together when we go now together it's a it's a slightly different type of voice when you have the elected members and staff and meeting the department and to be honest maybe they're not always used to that and i think we'll get the better outcome but we want the best for the county overall and for the for the individual homeowners there's a lot of people working in the council offices that are going home to houses that are affected uh themselves as well absolutely yeah and i would say and i would say this appeal to all applicants and fully get it in terms of individual homeowners and the frustration and the fear they have in the distress but our staff too of the same and uh and we we've lost people in this scheme several people who actually can't deal with those calls and the uh you know left and tears many times and we just appeal that people are doing their job as well and many of which have have uh defective blocks themselves all over the place putting our elected members around together and it's coming us all to try and uh i suppose take a breath and get through it as uh uh quicky here in terms of the initial assessment by an engineer who pays for that in the first instance and when how and when is that recouped from the council or yeah then as much smaller is the building condition assessment yeah it's really a visual type assessment to apply i don't know when it's off hand but the team will know when that gets when that gets recouped it probably gets recouped at uh but at a standard verification when they're uh admitted to the scheme okay and talking off the team how do you engage or contact um contact the team involved in this yeah well there's special emails and i don't have it here at hand now but uh yeah yeah we'll put up on your site yeah yeah so there's uh they can call or the emails and put it would urge people if they uh they frequently ask questions or your question if that can answer some of them it takes the burden of our people who are trying to process all their people's applications yeah i mean i think really what we're talking about here there's a couple of classes of questions there's questions that are covered in the q&a and then there are more intricate questions and we got to a couple of those that will require uh you know that will require further assistance or investigation yeah and what we will do when we get some of those that might be considered standardized answers we'll publish those so we hope to see them yeah brilliant stuff all right john mclaughlin chief executive of dunagall kind of council thanks for coming in i appreciate your time thank you great the night till noon show is brought to you by letter kenny credit union digital loans now available apply online or via our app today and get your loan transferred directly to your current account you have a nice time love we went for a picnic knee pinched my sunglasses the ones that you got me fray and corner had a massive fight i died for the frisbee grazed my knee nice one making me take plaster his mom needs hay fever flared up had to buy antihistamines it started lashing down but hello waterproof mascara and i'm convinced there's salt and in my hair please tell me you got dry shampoo mm-hmm best day ever incredible offers 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to people yeah were people in pay in order to offer crisis console procedure in charon north star well i presume they weren't doing it for for free of course okay i'm going to take that as yes um i hope the answer to this is no but were you advised by those people to delay to the documentation until half no no no the documentation and i am my apologies for that i think the it's a very it's a very comprehensive set of documentation it sheds a lot of life you want me to do i want to come back on the things but it was to receive it at half age yet and i think particularly of the staff who support this committee who stayed up to the very late last my apologies to the area early this morning you want me to come back another word okay i'll be i'll try the last three weeks have been chaotic they have been destructive they have been beyond difficult um and all i'll say to you is that we wanted to get things right today because so many people have been getting things wrong okay i fully accept i don't want to interrupt i have one hence the we were working on this till the mid burning the midnight also yeah thank you just want to examine one thing that's in your opening statement this morning you stay clearly that you took a 20 pay cut um is that inclusive or exclusive of the 75 000 euro that you are receiving either from reno or true or to you true about rent when you say you took a 20 pay cut is that inclusive or exclusive of the 75 no take that if i can understand thank you and the 20 percent was ryan's contract was 495495 5455455455 that was this 20 percent reference to the payment direct from or to explain the percentage so that was from 15 to 19 and in ryan's then next contract he his salary was 440 000 per annum which was 200 000 for radio 240 000 for tv that was 105 000 reduction per year by fives that was 525 000 it didn't include the 120 000 that he didn't take and the reno 75 000 was a completely separate contract so this was on his tv and radio earnings so it's exclusive of the reno contract or the payment true yeah yeah now i i just have to contest that we we regard this as separate now the email over and back that we see in the car yes and so it goes into sort of the areas of semantics there but as i say we'll keep you updated on how that progresses over the calls of the day right um guardian highland radio on tuesday there's a phone call scam scammers are using numbers like my own and able to phone other people and my number shows up and the people who receive my call returns the call saying i'm returning a call i've reported to my mobile provider provider thank you and indeed you see that is very easy for the scammers to do now because they clone numbers they can clone the local garden number they can clone the council number they can clone your bank number they can clone your mother's number that's what they can do now and i have said for the longest time on this program and off it that we need more from the mobile phone providers i think um to sort of flag and highlight uh in advance some of this stuff gregg you are correct in saying that automatic renewal applies in all cases where direct debit is involved if no action is taken by the insured the deductions just continues this is not the case where you pay for your insurance in full at time of renewal your card payment details are not normally retained on file i had paid in full i would normally get a phone call or email reminder before renewal date so i should have got the option to shop around before my money was taken i'm concerned about the legality of this manner in doing business thank you so much for getting back in touch with us and providing a little bit more information uh it's very very useful uh thanks uh i call us as i was at a local filling station over the weekend i'm old 90 euro now i'm on the state pension i can't go shopping for a few days it's an unreal system so they got the 125 deducted from their card they're still waiting for it to go the balance uh to be put back in so that they can go and do their shopping uh gregg this is why we need to keep cash indeed but in some of these service stations uh you can't use cash it's all card uh this is turning out to be the ryan tobury show a farce in front of cameras lies and more lies uh could try full stop giving rte ratings nothing will be done all right okay uh this could also have gone away for tobury says this listener by coming straight out and paying the 345 euro and future 75 euros 75 000 euros instead he came out with an initial dismissal statement back to staff in more need now he shall have to leave remember some of the bubble uh had previously been uh at the time of the bubble on 900 k a year with no competition talking to the committee like it's his audience scrawling ladies and gentlemen okay i i think really today is going to be down to whether you like mr tobury or not um and i think people i'm not sure of use will be changed in that regard but anyway um okay 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