 Welcome to the Monday November 19th meeting of the Montpelier Design Review Committee. I will let members and staff introduce themselves. Hannah Smith. Meredith Crandall. Staff. Stephen Everett. Eric Gilbertson. Seth Mitchell. For anybody who's not been here before, we are advisory to the Development Review Board. We will review the applications and move them forward. Do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? So moved. Second. All in favor of the agenda, raise your hand. Anonymous. And unless anybody has any other comments, we'll go straight to the first application for 7985 Berry Street, owner Ribolini, and applicant Whitbelli Pizza. Come up to the table and describe your project. Yes, go ahead and have a seat. So we have submitted an application to develop like an outdoor eatery outside of our commercial kitchen on 87 Berry Street. It would be, what would you call it, seasonally permanent, so we would install the outdoor eatery maybe in March or April, whether permitting, and then dismantle it in November. That would be minimal seating, there would be a platform attached to a wood-fired oven, which is on a trailer, movable. The platform would be in four by four sections, bracketed together. So I actually, so I submit an application to Audrey and I don't have it with me, so I'm feeling a little bit weird. I'm sorry. No? Thank you. So this is where it has been currently, right? Yeah, we have our commercial kitchen. It's, it would, it would be in the parking lot right outside of our commercial kitchen, where we already operate. We're a catering company, so we are already using that parking lot for our wood-fired ovens on trailers. We've been operating a pizza Friday this season, so we've already had on-site sales on the spot. What we're proposing is more of just like an aesthetic enhancing, and an extension of the outs. Is this the same trailer that we move around with the other sites, the farmers market, etc.? Yeah. So you would just back this in, it's for certain days during the week. Our plan would be to allocate that oven for the on-site sales for the season, so we would back it in in the spring, but it would stay there until then. Can you build another trailer for your other? We hope so. Yeah, it's the plan. We hope so. It does not, we're not, the way I understand it, or the way I am proposing it, we wouldn't be permanently changing anything of the property. That was one question, you know, it's all, it would all be movable. There was one concern about how close we were to the property line of the southern property line, but after speaking to Audran, also speaking to our landlord, Steve Rabilini, we feel that we've, we're getting close, but we think that it will be appropriate. We have not been able to be in touch with the railroad company. Railroad can be very difficult. Yeah, infamously so, right? Yeah. How about the adjacency to parking with the other concern? In terms of the parking spot right next to the oven, in terms of ashes or embers, that wouldn't be a concern. We'll be like right next to it any time we're operating, if someone ran into it. Yeah, I mean, I've thought about a few possibilities, but I think we're already really, like we're already really active in those spaces. So our other tenants in the building that also use that parking lot are, like we all are pretty cooperative about the spots. How close are we to the parking from the edge of the oven? Yeah, it'll just be a couple feet. Like we will be occupying what is effectively now like a parking space. So, but it'll be permanent. It won't be moving. So I feel like people will be pretty aware of it. How wide is your trailer with the oven on it? That's such a good question. How wide is the little oven? The little oven is about half-seven feet wide. Yeah, I don't think it's wide, but it's seven feet. You know, parking space is usually nine by 18, so if you just find one side, it'll probably be a little better. Yeah. Can you actually touch the oven? You can, yeah. Mm-hmm. Very well insulated. Yeah, it's cobbin' that actually has like a layer, it's air and then metal welded together. I was just thinking if you could move it over as far as you can away from the parking space, so that way if somebody pulls a big, you know, pickup truck or something in there and swings the door open, it's not going to get your trailer. Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a good concern. The site of the oven that would face the adjacent parking space is the back of the oven. Right, yeah. So the oven is backed into the opening where we'll be cooking is we're going to raise the oven up a bit so someone will actually be cooking but standing on the trailer. It'll basically be a pop-up kitchen. How about roving off or saving off the oven from pedestrian traffic? Yeah, we're planning on using planter boxes and small, basically like port concrete with like a pipe in it that we're going to be running chain to designate the seating area during service hours, so it would be a very natural thing to extend that to like the outer perimeter of the oven. It might be a good idea just to, again, keep people going in and out of the parking space on that side from getting too close or running into the oven depending on what trailer extension there is. You don't want anybody sort of bumping into that. It's a natural walkway. A lot of like professional folks working and other people going to the co-op walk through that space so we're interested or committed to leaving a walk, like open walkway, so it would be helpful also to close it off so people don't kind of try and like tuck around the oven. Are you planning on having any, you know, like a pop-up tent or canopy or anything over it? Right now we're using entirely mobile 10x10 pop-up tents. I would like to have a like a roller canopy like you would see on an RV that can roll up when we're not in service but that would be from the movable 16 foot long trailer that is effectively the kitchen and it would be off of that structure rolling over a serving platform. That would be the only thing we would cover. So the platform is where you actually sit in addition to the alcohol area? I imagine it being a serving platform with a bar and like a couple seats so when we're not super busy or if someone wants to just sit and eat a slice of pizza and then we'll have a ramp and steps coming down to like three or four wrought iron relatively small round tables with a couple chairs on them. It's mostly for ambience but definitely people do like to sit. So the platform is how far off the ground? So we're actually dealing with a pretty unlevel area in that part of the parking lot. We've talked to Steve about it and it's complicated. There's a drain pipe there and it's kind of important for the drainage of the entire parking lot. So we're proposing to actually, it seems like the least invasive to the structure of the parking lot and the easiest to move around but to drill rebar down into the parking lot and maybe 12 different spots or six different spots and then a wooden platform. So in the lower area where the drain is the platform will be almost two feet up but closer towards the trailer kitchen will actually be like a two by six set onto the parking lot, the asphalt. So you'll have a ramp obviously? Yeah. And your ramps aren't intended to be 88? No. They're just ramps, right? Yeah, I think hopefully it'll be easier for some folks but I should look into that actually. So lighting and power and music are all happening? Yeah, so a part of the proposal or the application is that we would have a light installed on the side of the building. Am I crazy? We might have separately applied for that. I'm sorry, okay that's separate. So where is lighting described as the hanging lights? Yeah, sorry, I just realized that it's a separate application what we were talking about for the light on the side of the building. For this aspect, yeah, hanging lights, low wattage LED, I think 40 watt bulbs is what we would use, plastic bulbs so to minimize risk of breaking glass. Easy to take down and move around if we needed to but to be up, yeah. From the window of the building basically running out to the kitchen like the structure. That is the picture of them but just hanging LED lights cast on the walls basically. We'll probably be using the same hanging lights inside the kitchen for the workers. Were you showing your planter boxes and supports for some kind of groping or you could actually make those poles taller so that you could have a few of them tall enough that you could string your lights around so that whether you had the canopy open or closed you would have some lighting there. Nice, yeah. So we don't have to set the lights up every week, you mean? Yeah, totally. Yeah, we're in pop-up mode so, but that's a great suggestion, yeah. Any other comments, questions, suggestions? So you're anticipating a season probably from May through October? Something like that? Yeah. Obviously depending on weather. Weather permitting, yeah, yeah, feels weather permitting. We'd like, sorry, I'm having a hard time being all, what did we apply for seasonally? I think it accounts to be like a permanent, even though it's seasonal really I think it's considered permanent, right? Yeah, but you don't really have a temporary permit, you can put a time limit on it. Yeah, we'll put it up as early as we can and leave it up as long as we can, as long as people still want pizza. Again, any other questions from anyone? Okay, I'll go down through the criteria. I would really see if you can get hold of the railroad because I see an issue with them crossing from the stone cutter's way to the tracks to get to your place. They're just difficult to deal with so you need time to do it. Yeah, the workers crossing? Or you mean people crossing? People crossing to get to the pizza? People crossing. Yeah. You got to watch out for those high speed trains. Have you just been having a hard time figuring out who to reach? Yeah, you want to come up here we can hear you. We have contacted the railroad and they say that the property line is only disclosed on a need to know basis and we don't have a... Have you contacted Tom McCartle and Department of Public Works to see if he can help you out and act as a go-between? I know that our fellow worker owner David Huck was in communication with him and I was not in direct communication with him and at some point months ago it just felt like a kind of a standstill and through talking to Audra we just kind of pushed everything as far away from the train tracks as we could. We've also just been, yeah, it feels like operating in kind of a common sense and not so much as any clear agreement with them. And again that's not so much a design element but it's important to create something that's going to cause a problem for you down the road. Yeah, if they felt like we were encouraging folks to walk across the tracks in any way now. Okay, anything else? I'll go down through the criteria. Number one, preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district who involves in historic structure. I would say this does not apply in this location for this application. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed landscaping, non-proposed with this application. I mean other than the... It's really... That would be acceptable. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials, acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities, acceptable. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas including gateways views of the city and state house, acceptable. It is visible from Stonecutter's way. All in favor of the application, raise your hand. We just need to have you sign that on the lower left above my name. This is administrative approval. Yep. Please back to us. Thank you for your patience with me. Good luck with your project. Thank you. Next application for 60 Main Street. Applicant Curtis Ashland for Irving Energy Overlay Part LLC. You're Curtis? I am. Have a seat and describe your application. And I'm in the same boat when she was in after I submitted everything to Audra. My folder's a lot more empty. It's got stuff in there just not as much. So thank you for giving me. So basically I'm subverting. I put tanks in the ground for them. What we're trying to do over here is we're going to try to add a third above ground. Basically the buildings that it feeds right now, the two that are currently there. If you don't have a propane truck hooked to it, you know, you're running out constantly between the usages for heat and for. I'm not going to say anything because they're right there, but there's a pizza place in that building that brings a lot of propane. Yeah, they're propane so you got this. But yeah, so basically it just it's it's wasn't by time they added on and added on and added on more heat, more heat and more this and more that to the building. It just wasn't sufficient. So what we're trying to do is put a third tank in. As you see, there's an engineered design by DeWolf. There are engineers for tank placement. We know how to strap the tanks for safety purposes for flooding and whatnot. We will run the vents above flood level. So in case there was ever an issue, the venting wouldn't be a problem. We know legal strapping. Everything is going to be to code the fire chief gave approval. He said he has no problems with a third tank in there. We're going to do new Jersey barriers in front of them. Not the prettiest thing, but safety for cars and people obviously is very important. And Overlake has no problems with it. It's their property and they're, you know, they're for it. So the existing tanks have Jersey barriers. There's like blocks and stuff in front of them now because because Irving took over the property. So they had what they had. We're going to bring in a couple fresh Jersey barriers and, you know, make it look as you could as good as you can for Jersey bears, not run down broken looking blocks. You know what I mean? So just to clarify if you've found a new tank or in front of all the tanks? Yes, everything. Yeah, we'll start from this here and then we'll go right in front of the new ones. Can you clarify what you meant about the venting? Okay. So, so there's a vent on the regulator and basically because there's a flood area. We're going to make sure that the vent is above the highest known flood area. And then that way, if there's ever a flood, then the regulator won't be leaking propane because if you, you know, you film the water, they can act up and not work correctly. So if you send it way up there, then it just keeps it safe. So what does that actually look like in real life? It's cute. I think they got Unistart over there with clamps and then basically it would be like a three-quarter inch CPVC sticking up. It's kind of like a snorkel. Only it's, you know, this big instead of something that would run your off-road GP, you know what I mean? We're going to hope the water doesn't get to that high. Yeah, yeah. My player has his water issues, but we're just staying ahead of everything that we possibly know. I see you've got it really well anchored on a big concrete block. During Irene, some of the propane tanks have floated down the river they've become. Yeah, they're bobbers. Yeah, that was a good one. My buddy was down in Florida for one of the, what, the hurricanes and they sent a link saying that, you know, our hurricane now has sharks. So not only are you up in the air in a nice tornado, but there's a shark right there. I'm like, yeah, that looks like fun. So yeah, back to your propane tanks floating around. Yeah, no, no, everything's anchored. Everything's, you know, designed by the engineer. And what we're doing, because right now there's an existing slab. And what the engineer approved was we're going to bring in some big blocks and basically dig them to grade and set them and anchor them together and then come to the tank. Because you and I both know pouring concrete over the water is a lot of fun and being cost effective. It's easier to dig, you know, dig a little bit, set some blocks so everything's flush and everything's the same grade. You know, basically we're over on our weight ballast, which I think in this area is like a 1.5 factor. And again, the engineer, you know, approved the design and so we won't make a big mess. We'll put in one more tank and hopefully make a happy customer. I mean, that's what we're shooting for. And we're doing it safely and legally. You know, everything's to state and local code and decrease traffic. No, no, we're just, I mean, we're out of the way. Yeah, and there's no decrease in traffic in that area. That's just busy. You try to go to the hardware store or anywhere. Any other comments, questions? Again, I'll run down through the criteria for this one. Preservation reconstruction of the appropriate historic style, not applicable. Harmony of exterior design, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed materials, acceptable. No landscaping proposed. Prevention of use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials, acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities, acceptable. Recognition of and respect our view corridors. Probably not applicable at this location. All in favor of the application, raise your hand. And I'll get you to sign this one on the lower left and above my name there. And again, this is another administrative approval. Everything tonight is administrative. Thank you. Okay, thank you. We're good, thank you very much. Thank you guys for your time. Next application is for 89 Main Street, owner Doug Netty, applicant from Montelig of Cities and Towns. Hi, I'm Jessica Hill. How are you? Good. My project is a sign, a new sign to replace the existing sign at City Center for the Vermont League of Cities and Towns. We've been in that space since 1997 and the sign is starting to show a lot of where and fade and what not. So we've been working on a new, some new branding and a new logo design since our renovation at City Center four years ago. And we're just not getting there. So we just need to replace the sign to make it nice, new and hopefully a little more safe. I'm sure it's fine. But in any case, so we hope it's just a simple replacement. It is not the same exact color. There's a minty green background, right? This is correct. I'm sorry, the existing sign is sort of a minty green. This is what we're proposing just to be clean and crisp and to show the name of the organization. So this is sort of actually like an off-white background? I think so. I think it's actually just white. Yeah, just white. I'm sorry, it was rambling. It's sort of a green with a cream color words, but it's not very recognizable. It doesn't really pop. So as you know, there are a number of businesses at City Center. So we just like to spruce it up, make it cleaner. The same size? Yes. And same location. What's the material of the sign? I don't know off the top of my head. Yes. I did actually make a copy of my application, but I didn't bring it with me. No, that's okay. I mean, unless you all have questions that I need to refer to that for. That gets mounted a little bit off. I believe so. Yeah, because there's that siding there. Yes. I believe so though. I know another sign just got replaced and it's not the same size as the sign that was there. And it looked like it must have been really flushed to the building because the paint behind is very faded. So we would just hope to take the same footprint and not leave it. I'm really going to get them out at just, you know, half an inch off the building just to allow air behind it. So you don't get a lot of deterioration of the sign band. Absolutely. I'll share that with the sign company. You know, half inch actually keeps the bats out from behind it too. Spiders? Maybe. Any other comments, questions? Okay, we'll go through the sign criteria for this one. Preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. This is acceptable for this location. Harmony of exterior design, whether the properties in the district acceptable. Compatibility proposed exterior materials acceptable. Compatibility proposed landscaping, non-proposed. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs. Building color schemes or exterior materials acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities. No change in lighting or anything on the sign. Okay, so not applicable. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant visitors including gateway views of the city and state house acceptable. Conformance with city skate placement and design recommendations acceptable. Compatibility with subject property and adjacent properties acceptable. Shall not obscure significant architectural details acceptable. Consistency and uniformity of multiple signs in CB2 and OP districts not applicable here. Illumination, not applicable. Penance and banners, not applicable. Individual letters of fixed painted or engraved directly on the building or structure are encouraged. The sign and the sign ban is acceptable here. All in favor of the application. Raise your hand. And again if you would sign above the naming. Certainly. Thank you so much for your time. Have a good night. The next application is for the same building. Applicant Jeremy Marrier. Can I pronounce that correctly? I'm actually not Jeremy. My name is Ramiz. I'm going to be contractor Jeremy could make. Spell your name for us. R-A-M-I-Z. B-I-K-I-C. Okay. And you're installing three new windows. Describe the windows. The windows going to be approximately I think 32 inches by 60. And they hold windows. This is already on that side one window existing. So we just going to match everything same. It's not going to be changed any change. Are they deteriorated? I'm sorry? Are they deteriorated? They're rotten. They're not there. It's new windows for a new office. We have one window in accordance with them. So the original windows above are they integrity as well? What part of integrity are they? They're double home, right? Yes, they double home. What brand window are they? I'm not sure. They're a top window of the original building. Are they metal or fiberglass? I think the top one is aluminum. I was curious, why would you go? Because the bottom one. We have this one? Yes, it's wood. All wood? How closely will the Marvin match this one to the right? For a file? Are they going to match the exact same? We already have Alain Lambert. The guy come and look. He looks and he can match everything same. This is brick paneer, right? Yes. What's on the other side? Inside the building is shirak. Still framing and shirak. What's occupying that space? Right now it's not occupied. Doug and Eddie tried to put more windows because they don't have any window. So it's hard to rent. So he won't put windows and try to rent that way. It may be easier. So there's no particular tenant waiting to go in there? No. And you said that windows, if you're looking at the building, I believe it's right in here. This is the front of the building? Yes. Then this is East State Street? Yes. And it's not on the back of the building, but it's on this? No, it's in the bin better than each other. Right in here. That brick is painted or that's? No, it's not painted. Are you going to have to salvage brick in order to tooth it back in? Yeah. Actually, that brick is holding nothing. It's just halfway to the building. You can see that line. This is how the far brick go. It's not going to hold nothing. I mean, it's not. Right, but you're going to put a new window in, right? Yes. The ground color will match. Yes. And again, all of the colors for the wood all tricks are the bronze, the dark bronze color. Okay. Which would match the existing windows. Any other comments, questions? Okay, I'll go through the criteria. Preservation, a reconstruction of the appropriate historic style of the proposed projects in the historic district. It involves an historic structure, acceptable harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. Acceptable compatibility, ability of proposed exterior materials with other properties. Acceptable compatibility of proposed landscaping, non-proposed in this application. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, color schemes or exterior materials. Acceptable location and appearance of all utilities. No change in utilities. Recognition of and respect for view quarters and significant vistas including gateway views of the city and state house. The building is in a gateway, but even though this corner is not really too visible, but I would just say it is acceptable because of the building's location itself. All in favor of the application, raise your hand. The A1 drawing here, it doesn't show the existing window. I think it shows the quality. I think this was originally they were discussing having just two windows added and then they added three. So that's why this is slightly off. We're aware of that for the permit. Okay. So it's another window out of the left. That's my take on it. Because you've got the existing and it says existing on here. So there'll be three evenly spaced between the, where you can see the pipes and then the... It just shows some of this drawing here. You're adding three evenly spaced to match the... It says to even though it doesn't show all the existing elevation. I'll get you to sign this one above my name here. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. The next application is for 180 Main Street. Catherine Cortes. How do you pronounce that? Cody. Okay. And you're obviously not Catherine. I'm not Catherine. I'm Steven. Steven. Yes. For the P or V? A PH. Yeah. And your last name? Cody. Okay. That's my wife. Okay. Describe your garden shed. It is, it's a garden shed was pre-fabricated and it was actually a wedding present and it was dropped off. And so it is existing there on the property right now and I can show you a photo of it. It's an eight by eight garden shed. It's all wood. And you have the photo there? Okay. Good. Your photo on the lot. I don't have a photo of it on the lot. So it's, yeah, it's set back toward the back of the property relative to North Street. Or sorry, relative to Main Street. So as you drive by on either side, it's not terribly visible. You can see the peak as you're driving by. Does that meet the requirements? Yep. Or an accessory shed. That's fine. The comments, questions, suggestions about the garden shed. Have you spoken to the neighbor about it? Thanks, neighbor. We've spoken to the tenants that are there. But if it's rented out, then that's spoken to the... On the Main Street side, do you mean? Or the North Street side? On the Main Street side. Sorry. Yeah. Is it screened from them by the, it shows some trees there? There are trees there and it's sort of partially screened on that side. It is visible from their house, but it's a, there's a slope upward there. And so they, it doesn't, doesn't block their, the view of their window. You can still see out and see daylight. Probably not terribly tall. Probably eight or nine feet high. Yeah, yeah, it's about that high. Okay. Again, go through the criteria. Preservation of reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. It is in the historic district, even though it's not an historic structure. So we can just say it's acceptable. Harmony of exterior design, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed exterior materials, acceptable. Compatibility of proposed landscaping, no change in the landscaping on this application. Prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, colors, schemes or exterior materials, acceptable. Location and appearance of all utilities. No lighting. No, there's no lighting. Okay. Not applicable. Recognition of and respect for view quarters. Not applicable here. All in favor of the application, raise your hand. What is the outside material? Is it wood? It's wood. Yeah. Looks like tea. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Oh. Just leave it there. Okay. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Next application, 149 Main Street, the Gary Home. Backup generator in the 500 gallon below grade propane deck. My name's Chuck Meeks, M-E-E-K-S, and I'm a maintenance supervisor for Owen Fisher Home. And the project involves replacing the existing generator. And the existing generators in the garage. And the state, new state regulations don't allow it in the garage. So we need to move it outside. And it's going to be on a slab and it's going to be elevated above the flood zone. And we need to increase the runtime of it. So we need to put in a larger propane tank. And a 500 gallon tank has been recommended. And that'll be buried adjacent to the generator behind the garage. Is the generator going in that corner there? Yeah. Just, it's going to be a couple feet out from the building right behind the garage. Yep. And the tank that's there is going to be removed. That's going to be removed. It'll be gone and then they want to be buried. Yep. Replace the generator or the other way around. Replace the tank will be gone. Because there is an existing generator there, correct? No. It's inside the garage. But it's inside. Yeah. So that tank will be gone. And the generator will go in the corner forward. Yeah. Near that tank, but behind the garage. Yep. We'll tuck it in. I'm sorry, behind the garage? Back here? That's the side. The tank's on the back. Yes. Okay. And I guess you could say the generator will be to the right of where that tank is. Yes. Okay. So how high will the generator be off the ground? And then secondly, how much can you screen for all? It's going to be about three and a half feet to the bottom of the generator. And the generator itself? Above grade. Yep. Three foot six. The generator is as well? The generator's about, I think, four feet tall. Seven feet. Yep. Close to seven feet to the top of it. Yes. What color is it? It's a powder coat, light brown tan color. Okay. It's not like the caterpillar. It's not really yellow. You can see from a half a mile away. It's kind of an earth tone. Yes. Actually that'll blend in with the brick better than... And bright orange. It's not going in front of the window though. Yeah, it'll be beside the window. And you're not proposing any screening at this panel? No. No. Looks like there's some vegetation there. It'll probably disappear between the existing vegetation and the building anyway. At least from this view. There's lilac trees behind the garage now. I didn't cut them all down. Are you going to put concrete down? Is that what I understood? Yeah. It'll be on a slab. So that's not there now. Right. That slab is not there now. No. Just out of curiosity that doesn't have anything to do with the design. What's the kilo-wide? 30. 30? Yeah. How long can you run on 500 gallons? I'm going to be over 24 hours. I don't know. I would say probably 48. Yep. That's curiosity. It's going to go more than two days on that. This is for critical power? Yeah. We're residential care. Yeah. So it's important to have a running backup generator in the time. How long did you have to test it? It's going to cycle once a week for about 20 minutes. It's just, it exercises on that schedule. And what's the decibel rating on that? I think it's like 60. I got the specs in here. It's got a, the cabinet, this one's coming with is low noise. It's right here on a weekly exercise. It's 54 dB or DBA. Which is the same level as a Bosch dishwasher in your house. It's pretty quiet. I have an LG. It was a diesel generator. It'd be making a rocket. I think full load. It says 61. Actually, I know somebody who's got a, it's not nearly a 30 kilowatt. But he has a 10 kilowatt and he has a 1,000 gallon tank. And it ran for two years. And again, but it's, you know, it's more of a resident. It's not something of the size. But, you know, with LED lighting and efficient appliances. Yeah. They just run them every week for soldiers. Well, they have batteries. So they automatically start when needed. And the only reason they run is to keep the batteries charged. Yeah. I believe that. And you know, the actual exercise. Comments, questions, suggestions on the generator. Okay. We'll go back through the same criteria again. Preservation reconstruction of the appropriate historic style. I'll say it probably doesn't apply here. Harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district. Acceptable compatibility of proposed exterior materials. Compatibility of proposed landscaping. Unproposed prevention of the use of incompatible designs, buildings, colors, schemes, or exterior materials. Acceptable location and appearance of all utilities. Acceptable recognition of and restrict for view quarters. The back of the building is probably not a view quarter. So I'll call that applicable. All in favor of the application for the generator. Raise your hand to decide about my name here. Next meeting. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Good luck with your project. And we have minutes. We actually have time to go through them. Nice. It's really nice. And how about for October the 1st? Do I hear a second? I'm sorry. 20 to 15, these are the proposed standing signs? No, these were light banners. And I think maybe no, I think, no, I think it's two feet. That's a typo. Okay. Thank you. I will. Yep. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. No. It's not visible. Not visible. Cut out a lot of fuchsia. I'm not sure I missed that one in the proofing, but you can approve it with that change if you're happy with everything else. So other than adjusting the size of the banner, is there anything else? No. Are we ready to approve your motion to improve the October 1st? I did that. I did that. Okay. Do I hear a second? I'll second. All in favor of approving it with a change to the bender size. I wasn't there. So that's approved. Yep. Correct. That's four zip. And how about October the 15th? Are we going to look good there? You guys don't have enough people for the next two weeks. Nope. Eric, Seth. Nope. You don't have enough people, so we'll have to table that one. No, we've been there for the 30th. Steve? Oh, Seth. So just the 15th, this table. Just the 15th, this table. Yep. The other one's approved. Right. Yeah. You can keep your copy. Eric said, okay. Yep. You can keep your copy. Otherwise my stack's going to get confusing. Okay. So the 30th we can vote on. And how about any change needed on the 30th? And it's five for the garage stuff. I'm going to forget those minutes. You may want to mention in the, for the solar parade that the reason why Greg put that in in the first place is because they had the feedback, public feedback requesting some attempt at making it do, if it could be done. But that was merely an exploratory. Yep. It was. Not planned. And it's been discussed and dealt with at the DRB level. But I think it makes sense to put that comment in here too. The typo on page two. And on the modeling, he's using GIS data and modeling software. Wait, I'm sorry. Where are you? That's the same paragraph. Oh, okay. Parts as they are confident that the buildings are being accurately represented. And we made a statement on more than one occasion that they were using GIS data. The first model of software. Yep. I can elaborate on that. Anything to button this all up. It's appreciated. Then you got to deal with Act 250. I don't have to deal with Act 250. And if there's an appeal, I have to hand it for my records. That's most of what I would have to do. We're going into Fred Bashar and Abashan. It's what I get in a fearful look. I mean, he wasn't really complaining. Yeah. He's just known Fred for a long time. Any other comments or changes, Nathan? They probably reiterate seven paragraphs. It's past four if I know. Again, GIS data and modeling software. Well. Yeah, I'm not sure if he actually brought that up again. It seems as though it's basically ties in to the previous. Yeah. And it's just, I don't think we, if he didn't actually say that there, I don't think we need to put that in because it's supposed to be more of a, a little bit more of a running thing. Where's the, this comments from here, anything here that's cool. We have to pull together the reasoning. And we'll do in the decision. Yeah. All right. Yeah. I'd have to see the video. Yeah. It's the same here. I'd have to go back to the video again. And I don't, I compare these to my notes. I don't have time to go back and watch. Yeah. I've been here. I've been here. Several people mentioned that balloons have been flown, but they, they were constant references to the light poles. And they know the height of the light poles and the perspective. They can use that perspective and the light poles as a guide to how high the building is going to be, what it might obstruct or not obstruct. I think most of those views are obstructed by the existing hotel. Mm-hmm. Because that's six stories tall. I don't know, even if you're standing on the Shaw's lap and you look at the poles, the existing hotel is higher than the poles. Yeah. Well, and that's, you know, and these same people brought these same arguments to the DRB about the viewshed because they can re-argue that stuff. So we've got a lot of record about. On the stairwells and the wooden stairwells. Mm-hmm. I mentioned that the sprinkler system is a dry system. Yep. And I, I'm not, I'm not sure he did that in this exact exchange. He's done that in others. He did. And I brought that up. I said, you can't tell the difference when you look at it. Right. But she had, I mean, she was intimated that it would need to be heated. Yeah. The sprinkler system. And it's a dry system. Well, the, and this is dealt with. The heated utility room. Yeah. And that's where the trigger. Which is where the drive valve is. Mm-hmm. But the rest of the system doesn't need to be heated. That was hashed out at the DRB level as well. Because I had that input from the fire chief to be like, we have to have one little closet that has heat in it. So we can put the drive valve in there to control everything else. So. So your main shut off drive valve controls and everything are in that room. And the rest of it's just empty piping that goes through the rest of the system. Yep. So that's where they'll also have the computer software for the parking system. And that one closet, like server closet. Anything else that needs to be commented on or changed? Do I hear a motion to approve the October 30th? Sorry, I thought I'd fix this. I'm sorry. No, just this is saying Sue Allen, but that wasn't Sue Allen. This is Lucy, Lucy Rose. Anyway, I thought I had fixed this typo. Okay. So that wasn't our assistant manager. It's the only change you needed. Yep, that's it. I'll move it. So here's second. All in favor? The three votes to approve. And now we're at the November 5th. Public. It's a hard time to wait for that. It seemed to have a difficult time coming with complete. As he said, from the gateway view, they ran out of time to do that. Well, when they came to the DRB about the signs, he just said, well, it's going to be the way finding. And that's not at all what I said. Yeah. I'm going to make sure that's in there. But yeah, they've got draft conditions to look at tonight and go over that they should have been looking at for the last several weeks that elaborates. Some good, because some can't just be a sign. There's some kind of a welcoming architectural thing and that alleyway from the parking lot site is hardly welcoming the way they've got it. People love a beach down there. On the teeny, tiny bit of waterfront property versus the Consolence Park with the transit center. I like the idea of serving beer on the deck. That would be pretty cool. Pop up beer garden. For the deck of the parking garage. Just on the top floor. Close it off for a special event. That's what they should do. Fourth of July fireworks. Fourth of July fireworks. Oh, absolutely. Beer garden on the top floor of the parking garage. Awesome. Palm trees. We do have a thought was not completed. Halfway down. I think that's supposed to be clear walkways other than signage. Long dash artwork landscaping and clear walkways were like the additional thoughts other than signage. So I'll clean that up. The paper was this time around guys. I didn't catch everything. The first thing to go on my calendar now for next year. So any other changes for the November the 5th? Very good. Motion to approve. Second. All in favor. Raise your hand. November 5th is approved. So the only thing we have left is the one. October 15th. It's the one from the 15th that then needs to be here for. So if you can pull out the ones for the 5th. Well, we can just pull out everything. Let's just take everything back for me. Under another good one, Steve, I'd like to talk a little bit about where we are with the draft. I'll take that guideline. If I can do it real quickly there. We have a pretty good draft. It still needs some work. Mariners, you can send it to the people if they want to see it. And the other thing that's sort of interesting, you know that I find it really silly that the public buildings like City Hall and the schools and all of that. Now it's excluded from design review because they're the most important buildings in town. And Mariners has written a good memo asking the city attorney for an opinion of just how far we can go with reviewing those things. So that's it. I don't know if that would be good. We discussed this with Sarah McShane, too. And the thought is to maybe have a third recommendation form that is for those kinds of projects that really focuses what the review needs to be on. And then we don't have to worry about it too much. And then other things can be optional suggestions. All of that can also go in. At least we get to take a look at it. Unless it's something that literally, I mean, has no, there's no hook at all for design review. If it's a change that they're making and it's in the district, I've been setting it here. Yeah, that's good. It doesn't matter what you are. People get together a couple times a month. So you know what I'm going to do now? I'm going to move adjournment. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor of adjournment? Raise your hand. Meeting is adjourned.