 We're going to talk about Paul Ansel and he's the boyfriend of Nicola Bully. She's the one missing in England. Greg, why don't you tell us about the videos we're going to watch? Yeah, so this is just an interview with him. The only one I've seen so far. Nicola Bully went missing on the 27th of January once she's walking her dog. She had logged into a team's call at 9.01. She was seen walking her dog at 9.10. Police believe she left the phone on the bench at 9.20. The call ended at 9.30, but she did not disconnect and another dog walker found the phone at 9.33. I mean, you left sort of trying to make sense of the sense of something. It is just such a mystery. Yeah, it is. There's just now every single scenario comes to a brick wall. Every single one of them. And then all we're doing is sitting there going round and round and round, going through every scenario and then go back to the first scenario again and do the whole thing again. And then it's just all day long. That's all we're doing. That's all we're doing. How are you coping? It must be so difficult. Like you say, your focus is on the girls. And it has to be. But it must be so difficult. I don't know how I'm coping. I don't even want to actually think about that. Just focus, just like I said, it's just about the girls. That's it. I'm there for them. I don't want to really elaborate on that. I just, I don't want to take my eye off that. It must be heartwarming to see the public response, hundreds of people trying to help. It's amazing. It is right now. It's the only thing that we can take is, you know, that level of support is out of this world. It gives us a great amount of comfort knowing that that's going on. They don't have anything else, do we? Well, there's hope. Yeah, we're never ever going to lose the hope, of course we're not. But like, but right now, it is as though she has vanished into thin air. Like, yeah, just insane. If you don't know who we are, we're the behavior panel. I'm Scott Rouse, a body language expert and analyst. I trained law enforcement in the military and interrogation in body language. And I created the number one online body language course, BodyLanguageTactics.com with Greg Hartley. Mark. I'm Mark Bowden. I'm an expert in human behavior and body language, help people all over the world to stand out, win trust and gain credibility every time they communicate, including some of the leaders of the G7. Chase. Hey, I'm Chase Hughes, did 20 years in the US military, wrote the number one bestselling book on behavior profiling, influence and persuasion. Greg. Greg Hartley, I'm a former Army interrogator, interrogation instructor, resistance interrogation instructor, written 10 books on body language and behavior, put together number one body language tactics.com course with Scott. That's been most of my time on business. All right. Well, Greg, tell us what you think we've seen in the video so far. Yeah. So as he starts off, right, as he says, that's all we're doing. You see this taste or disapproval at the sides of his mouth. He's got kind of a heavier set face, so he's not illustrating as much as muscles aren't moving as much in his face. You've got to pay attention to him, but his head illustrates exactly the duplication of effort as he's moving his head back and forth. And we say illustrates, we mean you're punctuating your thoughts or phrases. And we see that as he's moving, indicating some frustration. As he starts that, all we're doing, you see his tongue at the back of his teeth and kind of a sarcastic smile that will indicate frustration. And then at how are you coping, you see increased respiration as a question or starts to make this real time. I think we see a guy who came in with kind of a stoic behavior. And when you start making it real, then we start to see respiration increase. And we see his blink rate increase. You might think, well, that's an attack and he's trying to protect something. I don't see that. I see him as trying to hide it. And it comes up his head nods. And he then goes to an emphatic downward movement at just the girls. And that's it. There's an appropriate amount of eye contact. We associate people who make too much eye contact with trying to persuade you. We don't see that. When he's talking about comfort and all of that, you see some pain in his lower face as the sides of his mouth withdraw. And then his blink rate goes up when the guy says something about hope. I think he realizes he should have said hope. And he feels awkward about it. Nobody wants to say, I don't have any hope for this person, especially with the kids on. And so I don't think what we're seeing is guilt. But what I do think we're seeing as a person who's feeling maybe some personal remorse for not having said, hey, we still got hope, the eye blocks. And then he disclaims how insane that this whole thing could happen. And you see his face at the last part is some confusion as the sides of his mouth go up and his brow goes down. We associate that with confusion and some head shaking. All that congruent messaging. And this is insane. This is not possible. Mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I know a lot of people have their eyes on this individual. Why would that be so? Well, he's really the only person who's been interviewed for the public. And look, if there is homicide, it is statistically high that it's going to be the somebody to point a finger at, and you've only got one point of finger at it feels, you know, kind of okay to ever. It's already statistically low that it's a side in the first place, because then they're not very common in the UK at all. UK is about sixth in the world, lowest for homicide. And if it is the intimate part, if it is a homicide, and it's the intimate partner, statistics, 80% is more likely to happen in the home and not out in the open. So look, I just want to give you another statistical bias to look at this with other than the statistical bias of we've got one person and it's the partner point the finger there. Here's one thing that you're not going to see in the body language. You're not going to see any grief in the forehead. Why? Because he's wearing a hat. So you can't see it. You can't see anything going on there. It's cold as well. Not much movement in the face. He's from the north of England. Gonna be pretty stoic. He's from Lancashire. There's a more kind of negativity for anybody who knows Carl Pilkington. He's not from Lancashire. But there's some similarities in terms of the kind of the negativity that goes on, the kind of the heaviness around the world. So he's not likely to be that kind of culturally optimistic. And so you see that cultural difference between the interviewer who's from the south of England going, hey, you know, there's hope and the northern guy is already gone. Look, this is like this is we keep hitting a brick wall. We push, we push the it up the hill and it rolls back down again. It's what we call this Sisyphus cycle, whereby everything that you do returns you to the same place. I think what we see here is, well, we do see distress. We see the insanity of the situation. We see somebody who's at their wit's end, I think around around this but still has to keep a good front. The voice breaks on that. That's all we're doing every day. That's all we're doing. All we're doing the voice breaks on that great amount of comfort. The voice breaks on that. He doesn't do anything to protect his whereabouts or or or to give any any reasons why he wouldn't have been in the location. He doesn't point any fingers at a character assassination. There's no like, well, you know, she will go down to the river and she will kind of, you know, mess around with the dog and walk around and doesn't give any kind of reason why there might be an accident. There's no chaff and redirect there. So I'm seeing somebody who is it's utterly confused by the situation and a bit of a wit's end. Scott, what do you got? So when you thought you reminded you of Carl Pilkington that was in the very first in the very beginning that wasn't or was it because that's what I mean throughout it for me. It's it's very, very similar to that northern kind of heaviness, you know. Okay. So they're all like that because I thought it was just Carl. Well, Carl's from Manchester and he's, you know, he's a bit he's more even more extreme. But yeah, there's a general everybody from Lancashire is going to have a real go at me now. Everybody from Blackpool is going to have a go at me now. But I mean, it's it's it's a pretty heavy place. It's cold. It's damp. It's nasty. Yeah. Well, that's exactly who it reminded me of was Carl. But I think we're seeing a person who's very frustrated. And after he explains what's been happening, we seem to take a deep breath that exhale, then he lets it out. And this is indicative of in a situation like this one of frustration that lets us know he's frustrated. And he's very relaxed. His cadence and volume are fine. He's not adding anything like you were saying, Mark, as far as qualifiers go, he's not saying here's what happened to you. I think it could happen to us. Like I said, she could have done this to nothing like that at all. He has no, he doesn't add anything to it, to what he thinks might have happened. Quite often when a person has guilty knowledge or they're involved with a person missing, they'll give several examples of what they think may have happened and they'll keep going back to the one over and over again. We've seen a couple examples of that before. And sometimes when you're talking to somebody who's in my experience, when you're talking to somebody who's embezzled money and you'll and you've got a group of people that you're going to go through, you're going to talk to each one of them and you're going to start sorting out the ones you think might be a possibility to have taken the money and those who didn't. One of the things I always find interesting is the person who didn't take the money, you can say, well, how hard is it to get to that money? How hard is it to get in there and make that happen? For if I was going to grab some stuff like that, I'll say, oh Lord, you know, they've got things, checks and balances, but I can show you nine things right now, how to get back there and nobody would ever know it was you. You can take that stuff all day long, you put stuff, nobody would ever know. We all know that, you really can get to that. Whereas the other person will say, when you ask them the same question, how would you get back there and do that? It's impossible. It's almost impossible. They've got checks and balances you've got to go through. They'll check it on the way in, check it on the way out. They'll be given examples like that. This guy, but quite often when you're dealing with a situation where it's a person missing, it's almost the opposite of that. The person who didn't do it will say, I don't know how you do it or where they went. I don't know what happened. Like this guy is doing, she just vanished and quite often we'll hear from people when they have a child missing or their husband's missing or their wife is missing or they know where they are, but they've been murdered, they'll say, I think this might have happened, this might have happened and they'll keep, like I said earlier, going back to this one thing over and over, trying to convince everyone that that's what was happening in that situation. So it's important to keep in mind with all the information you gather about situations and situations similar to this that each person is different and every situation like this is different. And I'm just talking in generalities from what I've seen, the way people act going down those specific roads. So you have to be able to recognize what road that person is going down that you're talking to. So are they going down that road of you can do all these things or are they going down the road of it can't happen? There's only one thing or two things that could happen. I think this is what happened. So you've got to decide which road they're going down and pay attention to that. Outside of that, I don't think this guy's hiding anything. His demeanor stays the same the whole time. His answers aren't prepared. I think he's just talking. I agree with you, Mark. He's just saying as it comes to him, he hasn't sat down, thought out a specific chain of events that could possibly have happened. There are not three or four scenarios. He's not going back to one scenario every time. He just says, we don't know what happened. It's just like she vanished. No idea. I have no idea what happened. That's why I think we're going to get somebody who is most likely innocent. Chase, what do you got? I agree. I think he's most likely on the innocent side of this. He's definitely got an external locus of control where the world happens to him. He's not very much in charge of things. But we're seeing a ton of things stack up here to where I think he believes, not that he's guilty of doing something, but I think he believes that this is a foregone conclusion. It all starts with this one moment of, it's all about me and the girls. It's not about her anymore. He doesn't discuss it at all, not one tiny bit. He thanks the people for their support and not their assistance. That's a big deal in looking around. He's introducing complexity and data and difficulty to finding her instead of encouraging people to help and talking about his outlook and how she might be found. Well, almost lastly, he forgets to use her name here, doesn't use her name, doesn't make an appeal for help from anybody, and there is zero mention of a desire for her to be found or for her to come back home. That is extremely odd. So something's off or he's already just come to the mental conclusion that there's nothing he can do about it because of his external locus of control. I mean, you're left sort of trying to make sense of the sense of something. It is just such a mystery. Yeah, it is. There's just no, every single scenario comes to a brick wall. Every single one of them. And then all we're doing is sitting there going round and round and round, going through every scenario and then go back to the first scenario again and do the whole thing again. And then it's just all day long. That's all we're doing. It's all we're doing. How are you coping? It must be so difficult. Like you say, your focus is on the girls and it has to be, but it must be so difficult. I don't know how I'm coping. I don't even want to actually think about that. Just focus, just like I said, it's just about the girls. That's it. I'm there for them. I don't want to really elaborate on that. I just, for the moment, take my eye off that. It must be heartwarming to see the public response, hundreds of people trying to help. It's amazing. It is. Right now, it's the only thing that we can take is, you know, that level of support is out of this world. It gives us a great amount of comfort knowing that that's going on. They don't have anything else, do we? Well, there's hope. Yeah, we're never ever going to lose the hope, of course we're not. But like, right now, it is as though she has vanished into thin air. Like, yeah, just insane. All right, overall, Mark, what do you think we've seen so far? Yeah, out of those choices there, Chase, I would go for the second one. It's not in his control there. You know, I really feel for, you know, everybody in this situation and the family, I know search crews and extra search crews are going up and I think we'll get some answers very, very soon on this. But I think if anybody is looking in his direction right now, in terms of being a perpetrator of a crime, I will say categorically, you're looking in exactly the wrong direction. Chase, what do you got on this one? Yep, I agree with you. And I would say that I would maybe minimize the severity of that a little bit for my mind just seeing this one little clip here that I wouldn't take him out as a suspect here personally. Greg? Yeah, I don't know whether or not he's involved. There has something going on in his head that makes him feel guilt for something happening. Who knows what anybody has in their relationship could have had an argument before somebody walks out. Look, we can't read minds, we can read symptoms and that's what we're all doing. What I see is a guy who's there. I'm Mark, I think culture plays a huge part. If you're in the US and you're in certain cities, you'd be like, oh, this is what's happened. But when it's not common in a culture, I think it's less likely for that to be the first thing that comes to your mind. And you're more likely to look for what could it possibly be? So I think we see some of that. The interesting piece is the deviations in his baseline. And remember, we talk about baseline being what a person normally does in this situation, not sitting home eating pie. And the deviation is when they ask about hope and they say, there's always hope, you see his everything go up and we say blink rate goes up, that's a good indicator of stress, respiration is a good indicator of stress. Is that because he has said something that might make people think less of him? Maybe. So what I didn't see is a lot of guilty knowledge, a lot of that kind of thing. What I saw is maybe abnormal compared to a person who lives in the city in the US where crime is very prevalent. But I don't, I'm with Mark. I don't, I think he's the wrong guy if you're looking for the right, for the person who did something. Scott, what do you got? I agree with you. I think what we're seeing is frustration. I think he's very frustrated. And he's, because like he said, they're doing the same things over and over again, which is normal. That's natural. That's what you do. You go over and you keep asking him the same questions. He asks these people the same questions. You look in the same places, not exactly the same place, but the same areas. So I think we're just seeing frustration. I didn't see anything on him at all that suggested any kind of deception or anything in there. I think he's concerned and I think he's tired. I think he feels like he's just about over it, but there's no getting over it, something like that. You just have to get through it. So I think he's, I think he's being honest and gets where we're sitting. All right. I think this is a good infallible and we'll see you next time.