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We'll tell you all about don't worry about it One more thing maps strong and maps power lift both 50% off go check them out head over to maps fitness products Dot-com just use the code August special with no space for that discount. All right, enjoy the show So we finally digitized Justin. Yeah, we got all the the best of them Turned them into a digitized version. I kind of like this version. It's nice Although they you know, they say the camera adds cleaner adds five to 15 pounds. They lied. Yeah, it's like 30. Yeah Hey, so Hey, so listen, yeah, Justin, you're like you're you're such a team player normally, right and Normally, you're the only one that didn't have the bat soup. So what the hell? Yeah, what's going on? I don't know. I I don't know. I think it's somewhat cheese related It's got to be cheese and whiskey related somehow I was trying to really put it together because I was in the room with you guys They spent a lot of time with you guys. I mean, we've we've cuddled. So I don't know why I don't have it You and Adam sure underwear half the time Nothing you got nothing. Yeah. Yeah, so people don't just sort of skip right over me Yeah, so people don't know we got the we got the bat disease. So our I'll tell you what happened with me, right? It's a funny story. So I'm up in truckie with Jessica the baby and then she has some friends visiting and we're all hanging out and It was Friday and all of a sudden I was feeling like Kind of tired, you know, and I was trying to be like energetic charismatic because I want her friends to feel, you know, like you're cool Yeah Take so much energy, I swear to fake it like that. No Well, he goes what would Adam do in this situation. I have so many witty comments Yeah, that's me. No, I wanted them to feel welcome and have a good time I want to just get have a good time. So I'm like trying to take care of the baby so she could spend time with her friends and Around dinner time. I was like, man, I'm like wasted. I feel tired. This is weird. So whatever At nine o'clock. I'm like, honey, I'm gonna go to bed. I feel tired I just don't feel that I just feel like I need to go to bed. She's like, why I'm like, I don't know Maybe it's the smoke because it was fires up there, right? Hello smoke up in the truckie area So I'm like, maybe it's the smoke or whatever So I go lay down And then I get a text from uh, Andrew our our youtube producer And it's a picture of his Test yeah, and it's positive and that's all he sends. Yeah guys thought I should let you know I'm like, you mother I tell Jessica I'm like, honey, this is this is the deal. I think I'm I'm sick And Jessica's like, no, you're just a hypochondriac. It's all in your head. I'm like, honey, I have body aches I'm tired now Now you're fine. It's all in your head. Like she just keeps hammering me about that And then she's like, doesn't your team know to not tell you like nobody should tell you because then you freak out Yeah, yeah, I I know that Jessica. So that's why I lied to you on Friday. Yeah, I know I know because you on the text Adam's like, I feel fine. Yeah, that's weird. I don't feel good Yeah, I was like, I'm a hundred percent. Yeah, I don't know. I guess you guys have been banging in pangolins or something Yeah, that's right. It's the pangolins So that was it. And so then that we saw that Then the next day I woke up and I had a you know, very low grade fever 100 and then and then the next pictures I get or I think who was who was next to test? Well, first what happened was you you messaged the the main thread with all of us And Doug goes, oh, I'm not feeling good either And you go, I'm not feeling good and everyone's like, oh, shit And then you're like how you feel it out. I'm like, oh, I'm fine. But I just told Katrina. I'm like, hey, I think I'm getting sick And what a dick. Yeah, so she's like, why don't you tell so I sound like a fucking tell sob I already know how he's gonna get if I tell him I'm sick He's gonna start thinking that we all have it and we're all gonna freak out and get all you know It's like so I'm just gonna I'm gonna wait it out till this to see what this would happen. It's so thoughtful So For me it was Friday. So we drove down we took the Camaro down to We actually took the one So I drove the one all the way down the coast. That's a nice drive, right? Yeah. Oh, wow You take the Camaro, how'd she run all the way bro is great. It was a we took this Camaro's a boy So by the way, no way No, it's a girl. Oh, it is. Yeah. Well transition. So okay, it's it's a Four and a half hour drive down the one all the way to a place called Sycamore Springs Never heard of this place before And it's like I've been there. Oh, you have yeah, that's a cool spot real cool spot. It was just you and Katrina Yeah, well, we literally what we decided to do is kind of a cool little Trip, right? We everybody had the time off And so and my sister was flying in To watch max So we had this time to get off to leave and we both were like, well, what do we want to do? I'm like, uh, you know, I don't know and we just kept delaying planning anything And so the day comes and we're like, you know what? Let's just let's get in the Camaro Let's get on the one and let's just go south And we'll then we'll pull over we'll eat when we're hungry They will do some wine tasting along the way because there's a lot of good wineries And then if we feel like it will crash somewhere Or we'll drive back home And so literally that's we just packed a bag just in case and then we just headed south And cruise the whole one and pulled over and had played stopped and ate and But the whole way down I did have like this like Itchy throat and I was like, hmm I don't feel great, but I don't feel bad either Because it didn't definitely didn't stop me from smoking or drinking that night. So because we partied all night long We we stayed at that sycamore place, which was cool uh, coolly like bungalow with a fireplace and a You know hot tub in your in a private hot tub in your deck and it's like out in the woods You kind of have like this super privacy Beautiful little place was a was a natural springs, right? Yeah, that a little bit of You know odor, but other than that's awesome Yeah, the the salty Oh, yeah, the sulfur. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was uh, cool really cool spot But so that happens then uh, the next morning I wake up And I'm not a hundred percent sure still even though the text message came in that everybody's getting sick Am I hung over or am I like getting sick? And then I look at how much I drank and I'm like, you know, I only split a bottle with Katrina Like that's not very much a bottle of wine is What four glasses of wine so I mean even if I had more of it with three glasses and most I had I was like that eight That ain't making me feel this way So at that point I had I had submitted that okay. I'm getting sick So we we decided to not stay any longer Because I didn't know if this was gonna get progressively worse like from all the horror stories that you hear on the news Right, so I'm like, okay. Well, let's get in the car. I go. I'm not bad. I said, but I don't want to risk one, I don't want to risk possibly getting you more sick or Uh, two getting so bad that because I don't want to make her drive the Camaro She's getting her in the Camaro is already hard enough as it is letting her having her drive it. She would really yeah She'd be all paranoid So I'm like, let's drive back. So on the drive back. I was pretty much still good. It wasn't till day two Did the like the migraine headache now is that when you got the test? Yeah So I we had to go through like god I must have stopped at 10 different cvs's to finally they're sold out everywhere. Yeah. Well, I good Well, at least you found one. I'm up in truckie and it's like couldn't find any no nowhere I couldn't find nothing. So I was like whatever but you guys all tested positive except of course the non-team player Justin over there. It seems to be okay You know, what's weird though is dug who you know, and I've had my suspicions for a while I'm just gonna say I'm on air right now so that if something happens to me, you know that dug did something Dug is probably a vampire and there's there's lots of things that have happened over the years that made me suspect, right? for one He seems to be aging backwards When we look at pictures of when we started mine pump. He's like Benjamin Button. Yeah, Adam and I Clearly got a little baby in a year. Yeah, like we So cute Put dug into put dug into Bjorn when we podcast We we clearly look older clearly like there's no I can't even you know pretend Doug looks younger every time and then He never gets sick never gets sick And he kind of felt something and then all of a sudden nothing you feel nothing dug. No, I feel something What do you feel? Yeah? Yeah. No, I've I've felt something all along Started out with some kind of body aches um a little cold, you know like cold and hot Right the the the chills and then a little bit of the Sweats they go along with that. It's kind of weird though. I think on the second day My back felt like like it was sunburned. Hmm. That was a weird symptom. Interesting. Uh, but after that it's just been mainly just Can also be the herpes that could be it. Yeah. It's just a little bit of weakness and Laying out naked And uh just being tired, you know, I've been sleeping a lot Nobody talks about the absolute worst part of it though. Yeah, because nobody they talk about all these random symptoms You hear all these scare stories on I don't hear anybody mentioned Dude, that's the that okay There's two things that are terrible one is the fear because had I not known that this was a virus that's out there That's doing thing. I would have just been like, oh, shit. I got a kind of a bad cold. Yeah, that's it And I know everybody's different, but a majority of people Have mild symptoms. That's just the statistics, right? So I wouldn't have known it's the fear and then I know what you're gonna say the isolation the fucking solitude That is the worst man Knowing that I'm on what day six or seven right now and I have been so in our place And I guess I'm I'm lucky that we have a a good size room downstairs So I have like a a big big nice room where I have a nice Big bathtub and all kinds of space and a tv down in my room down there But bro, it's the closest goddamn thing to prison and then to hear my son Outside like looking for his dad. That's the world It's just like so awful and then knowing that I can't go out there and play with my son if he makes because I'll be like Because I'm I'm isolated to my room as well But every once in a while, you know, if the door's open, I'll see him across the way He'll make eye contact with me and you know smile or make a cute noise trying to encourage me to grab him You know to pick him up and I can't So I'm like this poor kid thinks dad all of a sudden doesn't want to hang out with him You know, I mean it's breaking my heart. That's got to be the the worst the worst part of it. You know, it was really weird So I posted on instagram a picture of the positive test and that you know, this is what's happening Here's how I feel and then here's some of the supplements. I'm taking and I put in the in the post Not a doctor Not recommending this is just what I'm taking and it's like standard run of the mill over the counter vitamin c vitamin d quercetin zinc Baby aspirin melatonin like all that is very standard By anywhere. It's also kind of standard of care. It's it's also recommended. Right standard of care, right? instagram takes it down and I get a notification that I was that it's a dangerous post That i'm giving dangerous advice. I was like what? This is insane. Now they reviewed it and then they put it back up So they took it down for like five hours and then randomly put it back up and like this is so crazy how Vigilant they are over anything. I didn't even mention The name of the virus or anything in the post either it literally was just Here's what i'm taking. I picture some like pimpled face fucking 19-year-old kid Does that like this is job, you know sees those things. They just they just pull them down. No. Yeah No Rejected we only report super negative stuff Yeah, oh he said fear fear fear. He said mild take it off promote the fear of it It must be terrible for everyone. No, it's it's unbelievable. And I look I know there's there's definitely people out there that have had really bad responses whatever but For me It's been very mild. It's been a very mild thing now. I think there's a couple reasons if I this is pure speculation Obviously, I'm metabolically healthy. So I think that makes a difference. I'm relatively young Um, but the the the one thing that's interesting remember was it last year? When really bad. Yeah, jessica and I this is when it like was really the the whole pandemic was becoming a thing And jessica was pregnant with the baby and we both got really sick with all the symptoms We had terrible like I we had the fever Her cough was so bad might have a cough too But her cough was so bad that she would literally throw up for coughing so hard and it lasted like It was like a week like a whole week of that. It was nasty Now we didn't get tested because back then they they didn't test everybody like they do now So our doctor just kind of said hey, you know, unless it gets really bad Just stay home. Yeah, so we never tested but I'm wondering if either I had it then a different variant of it or I had Something similar enough that gave me some partial immunity. I'm wondering about that Well, I thought we did too But then we went and did the that antibody test over at red dot afterwards and said we didn't have it so But I'm with you that was That was up there that I would say was a top top three worst Flues or whatever it was that I've ever had This that I have right now doesn't even crack the top 20. Yeah Yeah, no g your point. Had I had had there not been all the fear around it and we'd test and all that bullshit This is literally something that I would have texted you guys Hey, I'm gonna stay home from from work because I'm coming down with a cold and I don't want to get you guys sick It would have been one of those deals Yeah, so it would not have been something where I was paranoid about anything or going to the hospital for sure Now people are people have asked me in dms and I must have gotten 150 dms at least After I posted, you know the positive over there and Most of them most of them people asked me if I had gotten vaccinated. So oh, were you vaccinated? So it's a big thing, right? So and the answer is no I was not vaccinated. So if anybody's wondering why It's because there's microchips in the vac That's not why I wasn't vaccinated Uh, I way to go. This episode just got pulled. I'm just kidding. That's not Come on man The lizard people made it. That's not why it's because uh, I'm not in a high-risk category And also because I personally is my own personal choice. So if you disagree with my choice, that's fine because you're not me My personal Choice was I wanted to wait until it was fully FDA approved because up until now it's still under emergency use authorization And so I'm just like, look, I'm not high risk Let me wait a little bit and wait until it gets FDA approved and if I get sick in the meantime I'm not high risk. So I'll probably gonna be okay So that's the reason but now that I have it and it's confirmed. Well, now I have my, you know, some immunity So now I'm okay for people Well, isn't the interesting part that uh, you can still contract the disease and also spread the disease even with the vaccine so You know, of course it's going to mitigate symptoms, but People need to realize that yeah, but the data does show that a lower rate, right? So the data is still showing that people who are vaccinated still get it at a lower rate and still Spread it at a lower rate. So it's still I think it's a good idea for a lot of people. I'm not anti any of that stuff I will have your high risk for sure. I'll tell you what I'm anti I am anti government Mandating it for anybody. That's the now if you're a private business You have every right to say you can't come into my business if you're not whatever That's fine But government doing it like you see what they did in uh, what they're doing like in france. There was a video In france. This was paris people are sitting down at coffee shops And cops are going to the cop like walking around and while people are having coffee with their family Can you show me your that your your your passport or vaccine passport? Where's your papers? Can you believe that people are standing there? Yeah, wow That's a dangerous president. You did see though. I I mean We're in america. I have I still have faith in us. Yeah, I have faith. We have a second amendment That makes a big difference. Yeah I mean, I have faith in us. You saw what happened with the airlines, didn't you? So delta came out first and said that all employees mandatory vax where they'll be fired by a certain time But then southwest just southwest and I should get my fax straight on all the other companies like three or four other airlines Uh, uh, obviously not delta that came out and said they will not Uh require. Yep So you're so what I what I predict is going to happen Is uh, and and I rightfully so. Hey, this is uh, this is america and if it is your business And you want to limit the people that come in, uh for Because you don't because they're not vaccinated or they don't have a passport or whatever like that Then so be it who at which one's done you point it out for me? The american delta and southwest so delta is one that is not Oh, cool. Yeah, I click on that again though So you can read the whole thing because I I believe delta was the one that came out and said originally that they would have to Yeah, I had the article saved interesting. Um, but yeah, that that's a response to One of the airlines originally saying that they were going to force all employees to do that I go the other direction Here's what I like to do to explain to people just to make it very simple because uh, I think sometimes people get confused with it, but it saves people and whatever. Okay, so here's the deal imagine if Adam and I Are hanging out. Hey, what's up adam? Hey, what's up sal? Hey, and then dug comes over and goes no Neither you guys can hang out with each other like fuck you who are you to tell me who I can and can't Voluntarily interact with okay Doesn't matter if Doug is dug or Doug is the government you have no right to tell Free people who they can and cannot interact with that is our choice Now, why is it different for the government than it is for private companies? Private companies have their own private property. I own my house I can say to anybody. Yeah private can't come in my house a private company would represent you or me Yeah, I have the right to say I don't want to hang out with you. That's right Government has the power to legislate Fine, which is essentially steal your property Jail, okay There's the only legal entity that exists that can jail you and it's also the only Entity that can legally kill you This is why you don't want to allow the government to have the power To force you to do anything with your own body and again at the end of the day Who owns your body you or somebody else or the government you do and by the way this this this is true for the majority too I don't care if 99 of the country says that I can't hang out with adam You're not me and adam. We decide we want to hang out then that's what we're gonna do So it's gotta be real. It's gotta be Voluntary choice. Yeah, and leave it at that. This is and by the way if we allow them to do this Like get off your soapbox. No, I'm sorry. They did this in New York Get off your goddamn soapbox. No, they're doing this in New York and it's it's scary because the second you let them do this Then It's no different like why not? Like I said, I have I have faith in in America, man And and you're seeing it with certain cuts You're gonna have some companies that are gonna get on board with the bullshit And then you're gonna have some companies that say, hey, there's an opportunity for us to do the opposite And I don't I don't think we're going I mean I don't want to we have checks and balances That's right. Well, it's a good thing. We have states. You're right. There's a federal and states such Yeah, and you're and you're seeing things like that with florida and things like that so in texas and so You know, I mean, uh, I I have faith. I have faith. There's gonna be okay But I do we do have to since we're all in the fucking negative nancy train right now Boom, uh, and I'm gonna move us out of this uh conversation because I'm already getting out of here I'm tired of talking about the pterodactyl disease. So That's what I that's what I got. It's actually from brontosaurus. Oh So But we do have to talk about something else that is uh sad man, and that was the news that came out Uh this weekend when we were all sick. I could not believe it Uh when I saw it when our friend, uh, john meadows. Oh very sad. Yeah, very tragic Very sad. He's a father of uh two young boys. Yeah. Oh, yeah, very very sad news and 49 years old and an amazing man amazing amazing man good father Very nice guy. Um, and you can see it actually gives me chills like talking about it because Um, I don't remember the last time somebody passed And I saw this many people, uh, right about him. I don't know if you guys been watching Oh, it's all over the fitness space. Yeah, there are every fitness. Yeah channel was was, you know talking about it That was good. It's so it's so cool. You know, it's it's so sad and unfortunate. Um to to leave that early But at the same time too if I was gonna go out that early I could only I could only wish and pray that I I affected people like that. Yeah enough that Days we're like a week later now and people are still Writing long old posts about and sharing videos and clips And stories of how he positively impact their life. That's pretty fucking rad So even though it was a short in life The the amount of lives that that man impacted in a positive way in 49 years Most people will never come close to that in a hundred years. So I think that's a a positive note On on a very sad sad sad note I think about his boys, right and what's cool is that because he had a bit of a public presence. So he's been on podcasts, he's been on media, you know His boys will be able to look back at that stuff and kind of connect reconnect with their dad, you know After he's been gone for a while. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, which is which is cool But very sad. It's such a a young age life is not guaranteed. You know, it's funny when when people complain about getting old Gets a luxury You know, oh, I hate aging. I hate that I'm getting older like not everybody has the luxury of of getting older It's uh, it's interesting that we don't embrace it. You know, I mean because some people they they don't get the chance You know, that also reminds me of the get get busy living or get busy dying time of deal too, right? It's like you you never know like how long you're going to be on here and If you are going to go early, you'd hope that you you lived a pretty full life and I'd say that guy lived a pretty full life as far as the The amount of impact that he made in the space and in the place that he has a lot of passion towards so Um, a lot of I don't know if people for that have found mind pump in the last Year or so. I mean, I know this we did a great interview with him In fact, I remember after he left saying that was one of the best interviews he ever did And he reshared it on his platform and actually uh, did a nice intro. I don't know if you guys ever saw that Yeah, he did a nice nice intro to uh our interview with him I wish we would have videoed it. I wish we we didn't have video back then So it's just the audio version of of us talking to him. But great conversation Great man, and uh real unfortunate to see him go. Yeah, too bad. So, um, just kind of change gears a little bit Have you have you done anything in terms of for you adam because I know Justin's obviously he's fine, but lame Yeah Have you done Have you done anything like movement wise to help yourself feel better like So every day even though I've I've read, um Mixed reviews on this which I think is interesting. Did you know that there's mixed reviews on the sunlight for people who have it? No, I don't know that. Oh, yeah, google it google it dug Uh, yeah, no, there's uh, there's and I've had a couple friends that already had it and their doctor said Avoid the uv rays and it's supposed to what? Yeah, I forget what exactly what why some people I doesn't matter. I don't care if someone told me that I would say I'll fuck off Nothing makes me feel better than being out in the sun. So every day I go out Outside, um, I normally wait till Katrina texts me and says max and I are Playing in the backyard and then I go for a walk in the front yard And just try and do a nice little half hour walk in the sun and get some sunlight and I always feel So much better after doing that. Yeah, same here. What I did was because I miss, you know, obviously I can't Sunlight linked with lower. Yeah, that's that's the that's the that's the positive side Doug. I look for the opposite I would I would think I would all I mean when and where whenever but I tell you I just I Did all my research after a doctor told me the opposite. Does it increase your risk of sun of uh sunburn? Yeah, dug google it as if you were trying to find that it's negative. Yeah He did he put sunlight and covet negatives. Oops. I said then I said the name there Maybe we'll blink. Oh, you blew it now. They're gonna take out the I have something that I dug I sent over in our in our notes a link just it will Justin be able to see this Probably not. Okay. So Justin Justin, you have to go to the you know, I sent it to our the executive One which Jerry there's a link And it you'll appreciate this. This is definitely your humor. So we'll satellite this to you I wanted you guys to play this video somebody's this this is a A video of what's her name Cardi B did the WAP song. Oh, I saw are you gonna talk about the sign language? Yeah I'm gonna look at it right now I I gotta I don't need to know sign language. I know what the hell. Oh my god, dude I I I don't know why I I've seen this. I don't know why I found that so funny, dude I was rolling on the floor when I saw that because it's real right there I mean they use a lot of times these concerts will have somebody doing sign. Have you seen this dug? I haven't seen this. Oh play play. Yeah, she's like doing this Like the lady doing yeah, the poor lady has to like reenact what she's talking about I like I like what she does the dick suck Wow, I don't know why I find that so funny. It's like look at it right right here, which is like Oh my god, she's louise. I just learned this song is missing his puppets. Yeah Yeah, that's a little reenactment. Oh god, dude That had me just dying because I you know, I think too like If you're cardi B's team like and you start interviewing like people who do sign language, right like Hey, so we're looking for somebody to follow us on tour. We need to do sign language Is this something that you're capable of doing and they're like, oh, yeah. Yeah, sounds great You know i'm saying you have no idea what you're walking into you're like Now wait, didn't someone do that a while ago? I don't remember where it was but somebody Actually got hired as the sign language interpreter Didn't know sign language. So the whole time they were just making it up. That was Nelson Mandela Nelson Mandela's funeral Yeah, what the guy did not know sign language and he was just making stuff up like fake the the whole time He was just faking handsome That's what I knew like called him out right away for Nelson Mandela. Yeah, that's that was a big deal real deal Yeah, that that's hilarious. I'm pretty sure he did it a couple other times too And just totally faked his way into that job. I how yeah, how did you get I mean I understand like some random person But someone of that that caliber How how did they not get they probably just trusted him like oh you oh you do sign language? That's cool Like what do you test them show me? You know what I mean? So they probably just trusted him and then he did it but it was hilarious when you watch When you watch it the guy I mean what okay, so what happens that does that person get like jail time for that or find or do they get in trouble Like what happens is it just like a big I don't go to jail. You just you just probably I'm sure they didn't pay him You know, I'm sure they didn't Yeah, you're fired This is a whole it's a whole thing. Yeah, we'll skip that for now. Oh, that was a long time December Yeah, because his his memorial was a while ago. Oh, yeah, that was years ago. Yeah Hey, so that that reminds me of this con. I just I just read about this They're like you think Einstein was smart and you think all these other like Newton was smart. Well, this guy had basically The last few years had had conned this Kentucky fried chicken saying that he was like, you know a quality tester and had free chicken for like the last few years Just like walking into random Stores. Yeah, I saw that. It's brilliant. Oh, yeah. Look at the interpreter. That's all that's all fake right there He's just making that shit up right there You know, you know, it's funny. It's like the same thing. It's like the same Dude, that's hilarious. Oh my god. Hey speaking of uh, of uh Funny or whatever Justin, are you been waiting for your Felix gray glasses to come in? Are they coming? What's going on? Yeah, no, I I'm still waiting. I um, I had all this like material ready for an awesome commercial and then it'd been so long since we've been a commercial for that Like I totally forgot about my order. So I have to I have to read check on that But yeah, I I wanted to order a whole new batch Because mine are too small my kids have outgrown the kid size ones So Ethan now is has been wearing mine and stealing mine constantly. So I don't have them that night um, but yeah, I I ordered a new new pair of frames and they have like a whole new section of cool stylish frames So I was like trying to highlight that but I totally forget, you know, which specific Uh, you know frames that I ordered. Yeah, did adam Did you notice that did your the back of your eyes hurt a little bit when the peak of feeling bad? Does that happen to you or is it just a headache? Oh, well, I mean My whole head hurt, bro. I mean that was I had borderline migraines. That's how bad it was Yeah, so putting putting on the blue light blocking glasses helped me I didn't have a bad headache, but I did have where I if I looked around I could feel my eyes I had it so bad that I like literally Buried my head between two pillows and like was squeezing my head. That's how bad it was Yeah, the headaches were out of everything all the symptoms that I found Because I've had I did the like dug. I had the chills. I have now I have this like little sore throat thing Um, I never really I had a little I had coughed maybe 10 times Uh, the headaches were the Yeah Yeah, like a like a like a zoolander cough Yeah Your cough sounds erotic, you know, I was still good enough to do meetings and stuff and I wanted to tell you guys I had a meeting for You know, we've been talking about actually finally marketing the podcast, right and been talking to somebody friend of ours from biori And did you know this and this continues to fucking sting when I talk about this stuff about hub spot? Did you know that's blown up, right bro? Well, yeah, you know, we talked about this already right that it was 80 something dollars when I told sal to buy it And it's like 500 or something. No, I think it's over 600 Listen, you know, do you know what you want to know one of their last acquisitions that they didn't even make public the hustle? Yes, they bought the oh They bought the way they bought the hustle. What a perfect acquisition Yeah, think about that for a second about the email list is so big It's massive and still growing and they all with it. They shut all more all business owners on Follow that that makes a lot of sense and well and they shut down all advertising on it too So my theory is that they're going to use that for all hub spot people to be able to market and advertise through So they'll keep it as I can in-house marketing tool. Uh, that'll that'll smart that'll crush. I know dude That company is um in my This is my opinion. I think hub spot is going to be considered one of the big tech Companies in the next five years. That's what I think. I think it'll be up there with Google and Netflix and Apple Just because of what they're doing and every company is going to need everything's e-commerce now So it's it's one of those, you know, big companies that provides, you know, the best service for that Oh, yeah, and and they're so good at what they're doing that it's only going to continue to grow Which is one of the reasons why their shit their stock went from when you talked about adam 80 to now 600 I think it's going to be one of those blockbusters Well, another one that I talked about a long time ago, and I'm going to keep repping this I know I've told you guys both about it is is pen national gaming. So pen bought Last year they bought barstool sports for 450 million Which was super. I think I think they got a steal and a half on on barstool for that And they just recently acquired the score. I don't know Justin probably follows the score. Yeah, I follow the score Okay, so they just bought the score for two billion dollars So yeah, what yeah, so they're they're like top to bottom Like a like a full-on sports betting Uh platform now and you have with the power of barstool and the power of score behind it So I bought pen way back when it was I want to say 30 to 50 dollars someone there. I think they're trending around 70 something. Oh, that's nice But I'll tell you right now like, uh, I still I'm gonna I'm gonna buy more I think they're I think they're still a good buy and and it's just gambling is there's so much money in gambling Uh, and I think that's gonna be they're gonna be a powerhouse and barstool sports is doing All kinds of crazy stuff what they're getting in their hands and they're starting to like I think this uh this january They have the the the rights to like one of the bowl games and they're going to actually announce games They're actually gonna have their own announcers that will be not only announcing the game But then talking about betting lines while the game is going on and stuff So they're like they're integrating a lot of shit right now in the sports gambling world And I think their forward thinking is Yes, really really smart. So there's a there's a isn't it Yeah, isn't it crazy now how open that is uh and non taboo sports betting sports betting used to be such Like so look down upon. Oh, yeah You know and now it's like you can you can basically bet Uh at at the stadium like say like Raiders stadium like they have ways you can like place sports bets like there So it's getting crazy. It's getting nuts. In fact, I was interviewed you guys know that obviously I like to gamble and stuff right so I follow this stuff probably a little closer than most of us and um This is the first year that I've ever learned how to do like in-game live betting Which I've found really interesting and fun And how does that work so that it's a it's a constantly moving line All right. So based on how the game is progressing. Yeah, so the everyone's there's always been You know lines that you can bet on And before the game starts and in the past that was kind of the traditional way to bet But now because especially like a sport like basketball where there's so many swings back and forth So I've actually gotten pretty good or in obviously the season's over for MBA But during the game I follow I watch every warrior game So I feel pretty good about knowing runs and when we're what we some of the tendencies that we do So I would wait. I did really well this year on this I would wait for a game where let's say We're supposed to win But we just had a really rough first and second quarter and we're down like 15 It'll dramatically swing the betting line Way different than how the bet opened up and so a lot of times I'd wait for that and then but I mean there's so many things that are allowing you to to bet on while in game that And it's I mean Obviously, there's a lot of people that are Addicted to gambling just like they are with anything else. And so yeah, I'm not advocating You know gambling to anybody because I know that's it's a real serious issue for some people and I have friends And I've watched even myself get sucked in like this where you you're not even really watching the game anymore You're so into the I have a buddy who mortgaged his mom's house Yeah, literally mortgage his own mom's no, I've had but I've watched some I've watched really close I guess I've been lucky like for in that sense where I've had a couple friends both with Different types of drugs that I've been around and then also gambling that I've watched like completely like lose their life And they're like really close friends of mine and because of that It's made me more self-aware of my own behaviors. I mean I can you can just stop yourself before it happens Yeah, yeah, I catch I like I get I have rules, right? Okay, I'll allow myself to do this but you real easily you can get sucked into it But anyways, I just the point of bringing that up was just to Enlighten the audience on the things that if you don't know what's penn national and the the ticker is pe in in Um, I've been following them for a while and even before they bought Speaking of big companies. You guys see what uh apple announced They're gonna start. No, they're gonna start scanning the pictures. Oh, I heard this on your phone For child abuse photos So what the fuck? Yeah, so They're and I don't know how they're gonna use do this. I don't know if it's like some kind It's obviously not a person. I'm sure it's some kind of technology that's gonna go through Of course not scan people's pictures dude. That sounds super invasive. I mean, obviously we don't want child abuse But how are they gonna work through all that? You got pretty defensive pretty quick right there I mean, whoa It's just it's like what exactly would constitute a beating your child picture No, it's Sorry It's uh, it's Okay, so again, this is it sounds like a good thing But you're letting them in there to do something like that and what else will they start to you know, I don't know What can they do and also this technology is often like I experience on instagram when shit gets taken down For you know, I've had things taken down where it says that this is your this is advocating for You know bodily harm and the meme is nothing to do with that But obviously the algorithm interpreted it a particular way because it has to follow a structure So I'm wondering how many mistakes they're gonna make is this is I mean I don't know if there's a stupid question But is it like is it common practice for child beaters to take photos of beating their children? Well, it's not just that it's also I'm sure any kind of child abuse child pornography or child Endangerment that kind of stuff. Wow, but nonetheless Um, and how you get okay How is the algorithm gonna pick up the difference between that and me videoing my son playing naked in the bathtub? I don't know. That's a good question. That's I don't know. I don't know and this is so it's so well And then going through that looking at that right right like I don't post that shit because I don't want anyone else See it, but I like I have that for myself. It's my son. It's a memory that I'm gonna have forever So well and you're right. There's an apple because here's what'll probably happen It'll get flagged by the out by their computer Right or whatever then the next filter is a person So then they're gonna look at these photos and be like, oh, no, no, that's just uh, you know It's kid in the bathroom. I want to scream those people that are looking at it. That's what I want to do Bingo because where do they find a lot of these? Yeah pedophiles. Yeah, these sickos. Where do they find them? They work at disneyland. They work in schools. They work in daycares Why because they they're attracted to places where they can get access to kids and stuff. So it's like You know, who's going to filter that out? Where's the push for the pedophile passport? That's all we're gonna know Oh, yeah, no, that's that's not that's against their liberty. Justin Oh, right. Yeah, whoops. Whoops. Well, I told you guys that before though Like if you're on megan's law, you can't fly anywhere You can't go out of state or you can't go out of country. Is that true? Yeah, that's true You can't go out. Yeah. Yeah, if you're on megan's law, you can't you can't fly out of the country Yeah, you can't you can you can fly state to state Have you guys ever gone on there to see how many register people there are around your neighborhood? Unfortunately, yeah, I just just once and I was like yikes. They're everywhere Well, I think Justin worked for me when I had uh, one of my trainers dad Popped up. Whoa, we were like, I believe Justin when you were there. Weren't you there with me? I was there. We found it at the same time and we're like, no I didn't even know what megan. This is when I first found out what megan's law was Never even heard of it at the up to this point. So I'm like 20 I want to say I'm like 25 ish or so something like that. We're working at the sanatresa club um, and uh, we just I just thought it would be like, oh, let's check this out Let's see how many people are on here in the neighborhood not too far from here And we're looking it up and my trainer's dad who I know really well at the time Pops up on his face and everything. Oh, yeah, right away. Now. I never like it never came up, but this uh, I really like his dad and I was really close to him too and Just don't you guys showered together Everything was normal, I didn't understand I'm saying like he asked me first No, I was oh man. I I have uh and to this day. I still don't know but now I know other people that are also close to me that have been put on there for like, you know, she was 17 and he was Or like peeing at Yes, yeah, or yeah If you're at midnight walking in a park and you decide to pull out and piss on a tree and they're happy with your cop It's crazy. Like, you know, they got to kind of differentiate that because that's I that's I think they have though I think that now they're starting to I think they are trying to I think Yeah, I hope they're trying to because that's messed up Yeah, yeah, because I I happened to know uh, at least one case that is really unfortunate for somebody who made a mistake When he was younger and it wasn't but puts him on there and they don't tell you The difference between that guy and the guy who actually is molested three children like it's like damn That's fucking that's rough to get thrown in that same category for potentially Being 19 and sleeping with a 17 year old or being dumb a dumb drunk 22 year old kid and pulling your dick out of the park at midnight and peeing because you're drunk, you know, like Those are like those are like some I peed in a lot of garages. Yeah I don't want to be on that list. Why why garages? I don't know. You just you know, you can hide in the corner and uh, that sounds very very pedo to me, dude Not the pedo about it. It's peeing because I drink, you know, hey, I can't believe you I was expecting when I saw everybody's notes for the show today that you would have the uh, the turtle news No, you didn't know you didn't get the turtle news. What turtle news was that that huge turtle that got yes I knew you would know Yeah, dude. Oh, I saw that there was a thing was massive. It was like a dinosaur 900 kilos What what is this explain this to me a turtle that washed up on shore in spain pulled up ducks That's like 2000 it looks fake because it's so big. Yes, I didn't even I can't believe it I didn't even know they can get this big think about that for a second. Yeah, that can eat you. It's oh bro Yes, it's over seven feet long And over 900 kilos. Wow for sure. I'd want to ride that in the water. I was just gonna say I was just gonna say Put a harness on it I mean think about that for a second seven feet, which means it's every bit for me to Justin right now and Could you imagine seeing that in the in the water? Hell? No, that's why I don't go in the water like that. You guys know that Hell no, oh my god, dude. There's some there's some monsters still out That's all right, Doug. It was you go to do spain 900 just do 900 kilogram. Just do turtle spain No, he didn't he didn't the weight of a turtle. No, I did not Huh, there it is right there. See you getting pulled out in the oh, look at that thing Oh my it's a there's a tractor picking it up. It's so big Holy Toledo that thing that's a lot of soup Look like Donatello, huh? Yeah They caught Donatello That thing more like a Raphael that thing is I wonder how old it was right because to get that big it had to live How long do they live long do they yeah, they're very old. Yeah, really 200 years old like Was it like 150 years or something? Yeah, 150 200. Uh, really? I didn't know that. Yep Now is that that is all the sharks sharks? Yeah, I know I know sharks get like 500, right? Well, they found that one shark that I think that was almost 500 years old Which is really weird. Right. Right. So I didn't know that now Obviously different types of turtles because your little turtle that used to get when you were a kid that Stays in your little You know aquarium a little box turtle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Mikey doesn't live much longer than like four or five years I thought I don't know Doug look up. Uh, all this My turtle ran away How hey, they're so fast It's pretty pathetic Justin took him five weeks. It is it crawled his way out and then I thought oh man It must have got eaten by something out here But we found it when we drove back like a mile away The thing was on a mission. Wow So whatever I ended up just let go. I'm like you want to get out of here you go Yeah, my cousin live your life That was good of you because I'd be fucked up guys been on the run for seven days And then he's right down the magic imagine him. He's a freedom turtle dude. I was like I respect that My uh, my cousin had uh two turtles he for whatever reason love them, right? It was like his favorite things or whatever they got out of the tank. He kept them in in the patio in the backyard Got out of the tank couldn't find him. He was like so sad. This is when we were kids He was like, I don't know it must have been 11 He was a sad story and he's like, oh man, I can't find my turtles. This totally sucks Anyways goes the mow the lawn and Oh, he mowed his turtle He's mowing the lawn and then all of a sudden Turtles random or I don't over 150 years. Yeah, that's uh, jonathan. Is that john? Oh galopagos tortoises are noted to live over 150 but an Aldebra giant tortoise Named a twida now do you guys Do you believe when we have sharks and we have turtles are living this lawn that we are going to figure out Something in their dna code some of that and be able to give it to ourselves. So we live that long Uh, I do. Yeah, man. I mean we take in bioluminescence from other animals. I think so too. Get our skin glow and crazy shit That's why I feel like I feel like there's I feel like uh At one point jellyfish you got to look at jellyfish. I think they can live forever if I'm not mistaken, right? Don't jellyfish live until that they they die. I have to ask you guys What I mean, do you know how to determine the the gender of a turtle? Not by his winky No, don't you look at this day because we thought for sure ours was a boy. So we called them like abraham like abraham linkin And uh, it turns out it laid eggs and they were like, okay Uh, I guess you're a bet now You know, I don't know. Did you know Random fact for you since you're bringing this up. Did you know that the original teenage mutant ninja turtles were pulled off the shelf Because they put tails on them and they look like little penises. I did not know that. Yeah Yeah, when they first made the first well, they're not supposed to be in the front Yes, what is that all about? Well, they so imagine them they obviously the because they're standing they're standing and then They're standing and it kind of look you can see through his legs. Yes Which one was your favorite? Which one was your favorite donatello? Really? You like donatello. I was a donatello. Also. Yeah. Yeah, he was because he read and he had a bow I liked that. Did you wow? I thought you would have said leonardo I liked uh, I like donatello too, but that's because when I played ninja turtles Dude, you did michael angelo all day. I remember that song. Wow. That really brings me back. Um The video game on uh, nintendo remember the ninja turtles Donatello had the long his his was the longest reach and so that's why he was the best That's the one I that's why I liked that might have been why I liked him You remember that they had the van they drove up in the van and they came out and they actually thought that that was They thought that toy would flop and ended up being like go down in history is like one of the most sold toys ever That's crazy. That's insane speaking of sales Uh, probably it's gotta rank as one of our number one most repurchased sponsor in terms of when people buy their product They keep buying more because I constantly get dms from people about magic spoon People love magic spoon. That's got to be the one that you get messages on anything else as much as that No, no, we get tagged on that more than anything else and it's been one of our best partners for sure I'm actually really surprised and I I ought to ask you put it maybe dug and put it a note to ask jerry The next time I'm talking to them I'm really curious why they're not in stores yet I mean they got they have to be huge That's a big step right to do that to go from direct to consumer to straight to well I just think it you think like a whole foods or something. That's you know We'll be promoting it. It'd be a perfect fit right. I totally thought like a whole foods would have them So I'm I'm curious to why they're not in there. I imagine it's better business for them As far as I'm sure the margins are way better right direct to consumer Yeah, so yeah for that reason, but you would think for just exposure It would be Ideal for them to get into like a whole foods even if they were to eat it a little bit on the margins I would think yeah, I don't know Maybe they're they're crushing the dc model so well that they don't they don't want to do the whole brick and mortar thing Because I don't know anymore. It's a matter of time. Have you heard anybody say that they've been they've carried them anywhere I know I I've never seen them anywhere I've never seen them anywhere other than going online. Yeah, yeah The only knock I ever get about it is the price point and I always find myself having to explain to people Like what you're paying for proteins expensive. I know you you just If you break down the amount of protein that find me any meal that has that many grams of protein that isn't that expensive It's just that's what you're paying for it's the same thing when I make the argument with people that Oh, I found this protein powder for 50 less than the one you gave me. Yeah, I know it has 50 less of protein in it, too Yeah No, it's been saving me as of late, dude I don't know if I told you guys but we've had to kind of show our house We're trying to sell our house and we actually just got an offer and sold it. But uh, like our house is basically just like Bare bones like nothing's in here. So there's no food in here. There's not like so we just got back from Palm desert and there's like nothing the house and and I was just rummaging through eating like crackers and Stupid shit that like, you know in some boxes, but I was like, oh magic spoon. Thank god And uh, you didn't save me At least had something of with some protein I could I could grab so that's been good Hey, so you guys you guys officially accepted the offer Yeah, so yeah, it was it was a really quick experience. I guess this market is like that, right? This is a crazy market Yeah, so now we're in we're in this whirlwind of like, uh, I guess we're waiting So we could move it's gonna be a while but I mean, okay. So what's that? What's what's that one? Obviously, I I'm sure you don't want to put your personal Numbers of that which I don't want you to do on on on the show, but did you did you get asking or over or under? Uh, so I actually got uh a little bit over but um, I was I was hoping for a little bit more just because I'm greedy But yeah, like on top of that like I just I was like, you know, I just want to I just want to be done and be clean with it Whatever so I basically put out there too like as it's like because there was There was just some things that needed to be fixed still and like I was like debating on Paying to get it done doing it myself all that and I was like well Let's just see because I could I might still be able to get a good offer And I threw that as is sort of one more thing for them to consider and they totally were like, yeah fine We'll take it as is. Oh, bro. So you got you got over and no contingencies. That's so Yeah, that's a win. So you don't have to take down You don't have to take down the sex torture chamber anymore then just leave it up Use it and display it so what's okay So now that's happening because you were waiting for that to move into the other place the other place is officially yours too Also, are you done with that? Yeah, so we're just wait to close on that at the end of this month So like 26 27, so we're gonna wait for that. Were you able to go through our girl amanda or do you have to go somewhere else? She didn't come through she had to get creative. But uh, yeah, she's a champion. So yeah, we're we're able to work things out and um, How excited are you dude? Oh, i'm really excited. Isn't your your score footage is like a 5xing almost Yeah, I mean, it's finally gonna have some space. Let's just put it that way I've been living 11 years in really tight quarters, which has been great. But uh, you know our Between dogs and kids growing bigger and needing their own space. It's just you know, it's the inevitable process of growing. So who's who's most excited of the family? Uh, probably Courtney. So yeah, she's well because dude like 2020 and like trying to manage the kids in their school and you know staying home and Not really seeing the light of day. It's like we live in in beautiful redwoods, but it's really dark And so that sort of eats at you after a while in this place the new place is like Lots of sun exposure. There's like fruit trees and All kinds of cool stuff that uh, you know, she's looking forward to so I'm excited. Congratulations, man. Very very cool Right on. Thank you. Yeah. Hey, I hope you're enjoying this podcast head over to our partners mass zimes.com forward slash mind pump That's m a s s z y m e s dot com Forward slash mind pump. They sell some of the best digestive enzymes you'll find anywhere. Now. Why would you want to take digestive enzymes? Well, it helps you assimilate and utilize the proteins fats and carbohydrates that you eat more effectively get it to your muscles Improve your digestion. So it helps with things like bloating or maybe even constipation It basically makes your food More effective, especially if you eat a high protein diet. I love their products I use them to help with my digestion and I definitely notice a difference. Just don't forget to use the code Mind pump 10. That's mind pump one zero with no space for a discount first question is from alfonso morning Should I take creatine if i'm trying to lose weight? Yes, you should creatine because creatine Promotes muscle building right and it does so through a few different mechanisms One is through the the replenishing of the ATP ATP is in muscle energy. That's responsible for strength When there's more ATP you're going to be a little stronger that sends a louder muscle building signal it also Volumizes it's called cell evolumization right volumizes the cells and muscle because it it attracts more water So this isn't bloat So it's not like you're bloated where there's water outside the muscle But rather the muscle itself Has more fluid within it that also Stimulates a little bit of muscle growth It speeds up recovery. So your body recovers a little faster and then indirectly from this It'll help with fat loss because as we've talked about on the podcast, you know, at least a million times Building muscle is a very effective way to burn body fat through the metabolism boosting Effects and and and by the way you any time your Your whether you lose trying to lose weight trying to gain weight doesn't matter Your goal should be to build muscle because building muscle of course contributes to weight gain, right? So you're trying to get bigger you want to build muscle obviously that's easy But even if you're getting leaner You still want to do things to try to build muscle now You might not build muscle because it's hard to build muscle while you're getting leaner But at the very least you minimize any muscle loss which tends to be inevitable With a cut so creatine at the very least Especially if you're advanced will prevent some of the muscle loss that's almost inevitable to happen When you're on a cut. I think this comes from the The fear of the water retention still I was actually just talking to Uh a listener of ours who's also getting ready for a show right now. She's in fact She's in peak week right now And she was like asking me questions about the information that her coach was giving her And her coach was pulled her off of creatine The the final two weeks and I said to her why It was well, he he wants to cut back on the water retention. I said well It holds water in your muscle bellies you you want that like that's a that's advantageous when you're on stage You want to be ideal for performance. Yeah, yeah ideal for performance ideal also for looks. Yeah Yeah, you want you want to hold the water in your muscle bellies and his argument back to her was that The it does not uh, your body doesn't dictate where it's going to hold water holds water everywhere That's not how it works. I know it's I said it's absolutely the opposite of it You in fact you taking creatine will help ensure that the water is being held in your muscle bellies versus it being subcutaneously held so That's I think that if and then you're talking about somebody who's helping uh competitors Coaching lots of people and people are looking up to for information So there's still this idea that Creatine blokes and holds water in your body and it does but in the muscle bellies And that is something that you want it's the same thing that uh, I used to think it's ridiculous When you'd see the amount of water that these competitors Would cut now I reduced my water intake But I would not cut it completely because I wouldn't want to have what they call the flat look when I get up on Stage I want my muscle bellies full of water and and carbohydrates And so the idea was to deplete leading into it and then the load With some water and carbohydrates so it fills that out Didn't you even increase your water intake substantially so that way you could kind of bring it back to baseline going into peak It's exact. I did this exact same thing with sodium. So I for most of my prep I would sodium load and water load So my body would get used to And I'd get all the way up to three gallons a day. So I was drinking three gallons a day I don't remember the exact milligrams, but I was doing at least two three x the amount of sodium that was normal for me I was adding like two big old deal pickles a day and then Salting a lot of my food and stuff. So I was doing that all the way and then what I all I did when I got To peak week was I pulled back on it. So I didn't cut sodium I just went from Doing two to three you went from excessive to normal. Yes Because I you still want that and by the way, this is information that adam is sharing For most of you listening and watching doesn't this does it not important for you, right? It doesn't matter I know people and this is this part in ways the hell out of me people be like I'm gonna go to the beach, uh, you know on friday should I You know watch my sodium and my water on take that only matters if you're shredded like you have to be really really lean Like yeah, single digit body fat percentage Then it matters, but if you're just lean or if you're not lean It makes no difference and so watching your sodium intake and manipulating your water In order to look better at the beach Waste of time and the same thing goes for this creatine question. If you are afraid of holding a little bit of extra water But your goal is to lean out and build muscle. Uh creatine is a great idea Yeah, and again think of it this way. This is a good example, right? Imagine a balloon, right? If I blow a balloon up with air It looks fuller and tighter if I let the air out it gets flabbier and squishier, right? That's what happens with the water That creating attracts within the muscle. So it'll make your muscles appear fuller Rounder More developed. It's not the same as bloat bloat is outside of the muscle under the skin Which looks totally different. It's not the same whatsoever and so and here's the problem You keep putting in people's heads Creatine will make you bloat it create you and then you get a girl Especially a female is what they worry about, right? Then they take creatine and they see the scale go up a pound or two which will happen, right? If you take creatine, you'll probably go up on the scale By about a pound or two, but it's not again. It's not bloat. It's not body fat It's intracellular fluid in the muscle But they work then they'd see that and they freak out. Oh my god. You're right. I'm bloated. I'm not gonna Let's stop taking this. No Creatine is of all the supplements that exist all the non hormonal supplements In other words all the supplements that are not anabolic steroids It's the by far. There's nothing that comes close to as effective The the effects that creatine has on body composition building muscle Burning body fat improving performance. It has health benefits. It's good for the heart It's good for the brain So it's it's a supplement that I pretty much recommend to anybody to take You don't have to take it by the way. It's still a supplement So it's not as important as food and all that stuff But it's one of those supplements that everybody could probably Benefit from with very small exceptions, right people with kidney disease Or some people just their gut doesn't respond well to it But aside from that it's a great supplement to take whether you're cutting or gaining Next question is from wampie urado. What are the most undervalued exercises? Oh exercises that are undervalued. You know what I I see more people doing this now. Did we do an episode on this? I think we did. I just say if not we should that's a that's a cool. A while back. Yeah Yeah, I mean we should link to it, right? Yeah, if we did I thought we did I don't remember Maybe you can look Doug, but I do think that's a cool conversation because um There's some exercises in the in the strength community that uh, that people shit on all the time And I I think they are in the undervalued. Yeah, and you know, you see them fall in and out of favor Here's one that now I'm seeing people do that when we first started the podcast about six six and a half years ago Nobody did Sissy squats nobody did Now this was a staple leg exercise in the 50s 60s 70s Somewhat in the 80s then leg extension machines got real popular and everybody stopped doing them When we started talking about sissy squats on the podcast Did you hear that? Sorry to interrupt you, but you you just sparked something. I gotta ask you. I've been meaning to ask you Did you watch the episode that uh, mark bell did with the biomechanic expert? Yeah, I saw that Well, I didn't I'm not I'm not your brain not I'm not bringing up the chest thing that I don't agree with But he talked about sissy squats and comparing the way, uh, what actually loads yeah, I know but you know what the problem with that is is Is you try to do this kind of one-to-one math with mechanical load to a specific muscle Sometimes and we haven't yet explained why Some exercises build more muscle than others like a deadlift is going to build your more back Then like a cable straight arm pull down now I'm pretty sure a cable straight arm pull down is gonna add more direct mechanical load to the lats But I'm not going to argue that it's going to build bigger lats than a heavy deadlift Well, I think the the case that we try to argue and or think that it is it's cns related Right, because if you uh, you if you compare a sissy squat to like a back loaded barbell squat You might be able to make the argument as this biomechanic expert did that it the sissy squat technically loads the quads Uh more But you can't you cannot do a sissy squat nowhere near the amount of weight that you can load a barbell back squat Which the cns adaptation doesn't have the same argument as the the barbell hip thrust versus squat Yeah, similar. Yeah, I know you're somewhat. Yeah similar. Yeah, so, you know back to the the original question sissy squats fell out of favor You're seeing people do them now, which is cool. It's a great exercise great quad exercise Here's another one that I see people do more now that people didn't do for a long time I would get funny looks when I would do this in the gym the dumbbell pullover I think a dumbbell pullover is so Undervalued find me an exercise that moves resistance in that direction Very few right very few movements actually take a weight from almost behind you to in front of you in this pullover motion That was a staple exercise back in the day. In fact bodybuilders in the 50s and 60s Would brag about how much they could do a pullover. I think it's important though You you're just you're starting to throw out everything and leave nothing for Justin And I but you got it you got to talk about no, there definitely is because I would throw Turkish naturally, right? Turkish get up and the windmill in there, but I think we should more more importantly Why do we think they're so undervalued like this? Why? I think the sissy squad is so amazing is one the you have to be able to Hip hinge really well you have to squeeze your glutes and keep them activated in that position. You have to lock them Not hip hinge, right? Excuse me lock your lock your hips in place You have to also have good ankle mobility and stability and control in order to do them So I think it promotes a lot a lot of good things the wind or the your Dumbbell pullover you're talking about Such a fundamental thing you should be able to do we should be able to Have something from above or behind our head and come forward I mean that is something that we've evolved to be able to do. Oh, yeah, we throw right throw with accuracy That's an overhand, you know kind of moment yet. How many clients have you guys seen or assessed that have lost that ability to do that? So I think not to me. It's yes. It's a great Lat loading exercise that a lot of people don't do and I and I think you see great results from it from a muscle building perspective But just a functional perspective both those exercises I think are good fundamental movements that your body should be able to do and a lot of people can't do it And so instead of not doing it you should work towards the ability to do it and that I think the same thing goes for The turkish get up And I think the same thing goes for a windmill These are these are not We're not going to compare it to some other exercise and say it's going to build way more muscle or it burns Way more body fat But those exercises are are fundamental movements that your body should be capable and not just capable But good at you want to get good at it and if you can't do those movements It's a really good goal to work on those and I think they have tremendous carry over Into all other pursuits in the gym totally. Yeah, I think too that some exercises fall out of favor because A lot of people don't have the prerequisites and the mobility to kind of pull them off But then they just get thrown to the wayside even though there's lots of muscle building potential and value from those exercises Like for instance, like, uh, you know behind the neck pulls or behind the neck press. Yes Something that we would completely Voice against as we're going through our certifications and we're thinking about safety and in the overall General population probably can't pull a lot of these types of exercise off But can it be a goal to be able to have that type of control and stability and mobility? To then be able to perform something like that which then would Stimulate your muscles in a completely new way Which then provides a whole new opportunity to build muscle. Yeah, it's and as you know, it's funny about that Justin if you look at bodybuilding routines of the late 80s all the way up to the late 90s All of them included a behind-the-neck pull down or a behind-the-neck pull up or a behind-the-neck shoulder press all of them In fact, bodybuilders almost exclusively did behind-the-neck Presses, you know, it'd be really fun is actually to create a program that is based around all these undervalued and unconventional movements Like that's the whole thing. It's written around nothing, but all these it would be cool to do it by decade So like a bodybuilding routine from the 70s 80s and 90s off of what was popular of those times Yeah, I just think that there's uh, I think the first thing is Getting people to understand that they're they're great movements And then the probably the next challenge that people will have because they are unique is how to program it So I think that putting together a program that is primarily obviously it'd be almost impossible to do a full routine That doesn't have some sort of Uh, you know standard movements that people are familiar with but I think we could write a program with a bulk of these unconventional Exercises yeah, and again you have to especially when it comes to the physique and muscle building world They tend to follow what the winners and champions are doing and then that becomes a trend So like I remember when dorian yates was mr. Olympia All of a sudden everybody was doing supinated grip barbell rows, right? That that's because he did them and he would one And he had these these big muscular back in the 90s. Nobody builders did barbell squats either everybody did leg presses You're starting to see more do barbell squats now. Why? because you're seeing like the the Olympia physique champion. What's his name? I can't remember his name He does heavy barbell squats and he's got these incredible he's developing like these incredible legs He also does deadlifts. What are bodybuilders now starting to do again deadlifts? So that's what you got to pay attention to if you want to find exercises that are undervalued Just look and see what people did 20 30 40 years ago that they loved back in those days And then you'll find some value and you'll see like oh wait a minute Yeah, and again I said dumbbell pullovers that was a staple exercise to this day I do them uh at least weekly and I love the way that they develop my body next question is from nick fulcman As a personal trainer, how do you make workouts fun while continuing to stay on track with your program to accomplish your goals? All right, so I fell into this trap as an early trainer Yeah, if you are trying to make your workouts fun for your clients You are screwed. Yeah, because there's only so much you can do There's only so there's only so many things you can mix up and if you plan on training clients consistently for a while After about a year, you're gonna end up. You know, you'll end up doing you'll end up doing this You'll end up doing like lunge to curl to press to twist to stand in the ball to weird shit That doesn't do anything because you run out of ideas. Here's how you keep people having fun and engaged And I think this is one you have a personality. Thank you. That's how you do Thank you. I this is very important for personal trainers if you want to be successful and when I say successful, I don't mean Just monetarily. I also mean that but not just that. I mean successful in terms of getting your clients good results develop your personal skills My clients often came to work out with me and they did the same shit often Squats deadlifts presses, you know rows, right? We would do lots of variations of those exercise But usually the same stuff. Why did they keep coming? They enjoyed being with me. That was one of the main reasons, right? So I made it fun and enjoyable by being Personable by having good conversation by making them feel welcome. That's what you focus on Not making the workouts fun and exciting and different because that's a trap. I promise Yeah Well, your job as a trainer is to convince them that our goal is is not to design a fun workout But an effective workout. So I mean if I had a client that was this is no fun I'd say that well, you know, if you want I can write a really fun routine But did you want a routine that's going to get you more results or would you rather have less results and have more fun? Totally up to you So I'd alternate advance them like that. So if you feel the pressure To make a fun because at the same day we're we're in the the You know customer service business, right? So, you know, you they are paying for a service They they do have the right to say that hey adam I I want it to be like this although they're hiring a professional So I would tell them I just be very direct say well, yeah We could do some really fun games and we could play around for an hour and burn some calories And you know, we'll build a little bit of muscle along the way Or we could do the things that are most effective and it gets you to your goals faster It's totally up to you and I would put it well, I think I think too that You know initially, I mean, this is something I struggled with too because I know that That's something you want to think about client retention and think about what their interests are But something to really break up the monotony was just kind of phasing The workout routine. So you kind of would introduce something new So maybe we worked on something very specifically that was different than we had been working on To change it up keep it fresh It depends on how long I've had the client because we definitely have to establish that foundational baseline That will provide the results But then we can get creative in learning like a new skill where I'm teaching them You know some kind of unconventional technique that you know, it's hard for them to work on But meanwhile we're still maintaining that baseline of strength and focusing on that in our programming But still I I had to learn how to not Do the razzle dazzle, you know variations of lunges and all that kind of nonsense that it's a total trap No, that's that's a really good point just and you actually just reminded me You just took me back to some of the things that I do because we were all challenged by this Okay, and we were all guilty of falling in the trap of writing fun routines I guarantee that all of us went through a phase Of being a pretty bad trainer, but good at writing fun exercise routines new stuff every time Yeah, and then I think I learned yeah, then I think when I landed somewhere in the middle is It was similar to kind of what Justin I think is alluding to right now where I would pick like a something that was challenged They were they were fun. There was ones where I'd you know Stack plates on their thighs or I'd make them do like a plank for a long time or do one of these crazy Step up to a balanced toe touch thing But it'd be one thing that we would do like at the end of the workout that I would want them to improve on Right, I teach or I teach them something that Required a lot of mobility or strength to do or they've never done before right and then the goal was to get better at that one thing And I would at the end of every workout that's kind of how we finish it off like okay Let's go do your wall sit and let's see if we can increase the time or hey Let's go over and do that balancing thing that I had you doing So so they had this cool thing to look forward to at the end of the workout and it was fun And it was challenging and so but it also wasn't dictating what my were the real programming was right It was like the icing on the cake type of deal It was like the real the real cake the real meat of the the training program was everything I did at the beginning and then at the very end of the workout They could have this kind of fun thing to do Do you remember trainers that worked for you that just never got out of that trap of always trying to make it fun A lot of them and you know and so here's the experience I had with these trainers is they would always run into the same problems They would burn clients out or the clients would get injured and they actually would shoot themselves in the foot And would have a high turnover because every time the client showed up It had to be the funnest workout they ever had it had to be hyped and excitement And it's like there's that can only last so long at some point your client gets burnt out Tired or just they're well you get burnt out too as a trainer Right because you're the hype man you have to like You know throw all these different variations at them constantly and it's just It's one of those things that I mean you'll get burnt out the more clients you get and you're doing this on a day-to-day basis So you got to be smart about it as well It's also hard to scale your business up like this Because you just become somebody who's entertaining somebody all the time and you've already charged that and you're you don't really get any better at Real riding goofy exercises or entertaining anymore Where the money is at as a trainer is being the best at what you do is the best at getting results When you build the reputation in the gym as the guy or girl Who gets all the clients the results or that everybody wants to come to because they know their shit Like that's how you get to a place where you can start to scale your business up and charge for more money If you're just the person who is teaching them fun Exercises and making them laugh and have a good time like okay. You might you might do all right for a little while It's gonna have a real hard time charging more money for that Next question is from burn z fitness. What are the benefits of electrolytes? How do they work? How much is a good amount to intake as an active person? So electrolytes? sodium potassium magnesium They are essential for the way that your cells communicate with each other And when you sweat a lot when you're active a lot you excrete a lot of these and you need more of them So if you've ever tasted your sweat, you know that it's a little salty for example You lose sodium quite a bit when you sweat and the side effects of of having not enough electrolytes include weakness Reductions in performance muscle cramping is quite common It's not the only reason why muscles cramp, but it's more often than not one of the reasons So if you get like lots of calf cramping or while you're working out your muscles cramp This might be one of the reasons why I actually think it's one of the most common It is one of the most common. Um, it's not the only reason like other things can cause that too, but it's the most common Um, you know, if you're very active and you sweat a lot It probably makes sense to replace your electrolytes by adding them Into your diet. Now. I remember the old you guys ever read the old Gatorade studies, you know Gatorade was originally like a it was an invention for I think it was florida state If i'm not mistaken florida gators. Yeah, yeah University and original Gatorade was much more much higher in sodium than it is now Oh, was it really? Yeah, and and they they they put the at like they put more adequate amounts or appropriate levels of sodium And they gave it to their athletes and they saw the performance improve And it's true like if you're playing out in the sun, especially in florida You're playing football and you're sweating your ass off and you're losing sodium You definitely reduce performance. So the studies show that it worked and then of course now We know gatorade super popular. It's not the same formula by the way as it originally was Oh Go ahead. It it was so apparent Coming from playing out here in california or the Weather's pretty mild. I mean you get some hot days, but going to the midwest where the humidity Would get up into 90 to 100 percent I would literally lose about 10 pounds before I even started playing football games. So You know losing and it didn't even matter if you're completely hydrated and hydrating yourself going into it That was something that was essential To be able to make sure that I you know, didn't have that Dehydrated, you know, pukey feeling out there in the field. Yeah, I remember as a as an early trainer actually this is when I first Opened my personal training studio or wellness studio. It actually it's even before I had a studio I Rented a space in the back of a tanning salon There was a gym back there and then I had a trainer who started working for me And she was exceptional trainer worked with lots of athletes was an athletic trainer And I remember her I was listening to her. I used to love learning from other trainers, right? So I overheard her talking to one of her clients who was a runner So this person ran marathons and half marathons and she said what I want you to do before every run is to take a pinch of Himalayan, you know sea salt or whatever and just put it in your water and I'm like salt in your water Why are you having this? I heard this I'm like what so when they left I said, why did you tell your client to put? Salt in their water She's like what you lose a lot of sodium when you sweat a lot and and that makes a big difference in performance I was like, oh, yeah, like obviously sodium is it an electrolyte that makes perfect sense So I started recommending it to my endurance athletes And it made a big difference if you don't need a lot of processed foods You probably need it too. I was just going to say that so my views on this changed a lot recently Ever since we got introduced to lmnt In fact, we we've talked about this before that it actually sat in our studio for I don't know how many months Before any of us even open it up because to be honest Um, you know, I I don't identify with a marathon runner or somebody who does endurance sports Uh, I strength train, um, but Something else that I do that it never really I never thought about it like this was Um, I don't eat like I ate when I was 25 years old as a 25 year old I ate a lot of crap still ate a lot of a lot of sodium in my diet because I processed Yeah, a lot of processed foods ate out all time fast food all time. I still did that even as a trainer Um, since I'm probably 30 years old, maybe even a little bit before I eat relatively really clean 95 of the time it's rare that I'm eating processed foods or eating anything that I consider, you know, quote-unquote junk food And I I did not expect to feel the performance difference in my workout Drinking like a drink like lmnt and I did and it makes sense now when I think about the amount of sodium That I'm probably in taking because of eating whole foods most of time. So Now the way I look at it is like either if you're an endurance athlete I think you're gonna you're gonna greatly benefit and or if you eat really clean If you're somebody who doesn't eat a lot of processed foods Even if you're not an endurance athlete or training hardcore out in the sun or high humidity I think you'll greatly benefit from doing it Just just seeing your gym workout if you eat really clean if you're somebody who doesn't Salt or I shouldn't say salt because it's even salting your whole foods Is still not enough if you're just not somebody who eats processed foods and eats out I think you're gonna benefit from it. Yes Here's another one low carb dieters if you eat a ketogenic diet or you eat a low carbohydrate diet Your body gets rid of lots of water naturally and Holds less sodium. You know the whole keto flu that people talk about when they cut their carbs And they're like, oh, you're gonna go through this period where you feel kind of crappy in your body Sometimes that's because you need more sodium. So the reason why people feel crappy when they drop their carbs super low Is not necessarily because their carbs are low, but rather because they don't have enough sodium And I've actually done this test on myself. I I will intermittently go through periods of ketogenic dieting and when I first learned about this I said, let me give this a shot Sure enough, you know went real low carb Saw my body dropping water increased my sodium felt phenomenal had tons of energy I was like, holy cow makes a huge difference for people who just like to lift weights like adam was saying Um, especially if you eat clean Try, you know a good electrolyte drink with an appropriate amount of sodium Most electrolyte drinks are too low in sodium because they're afraid of the sodium numbers Uh element ease a great example thousand milligrams of sodium for a serving Watch your pumps. That's the biggest thing. I notice I get crazy pumps From drinking that versus if I if I didn't makes a huge difference. Well working with these kids It reminds me too just in terms of like hydration in general Uh, but then I had I had them adding the Himalayan sea salt But then I decided to give them some elementy and they've had some some great results in terms of a lot of the Kids in the beginning were dropping like flies with cramps and uh, you know with with tight muscles and You know once they started doing that pre Practices because we are going pretty rigorous and they're sweating a lot and it's in the heat Uh made a dramatic difference awesome. Look if you like our information you got to head over to mind pump free.com Check out all of our free guides We have all kinds of guides there that can help you out They're free guides on fat loss and muscle building and improving your squat We even have guides for personal trainers. Again, it's mind pump free.com You can also find all of us on instagram So you can find justin at mind pump justin me at mind pump sal and adam at mind pump adam