 Call the order of the meeting July 16th regular council meeting will the clerk call the will the clerk read the quote, please Thank you mayor for changes to be of any true value. They've got to be lasting and consistent Thank you clerk will call the roll if you'd like to Push number one, please 15 present Here is a quorum tonight. We have Dylan Lindow from troop 801 Joining us tonight. He will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you and welcome tonight. We'd like to Approve the minutes I've been Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move to approve the minutes of the last council meeting It's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the last council meeting. Is there any changes or discussion? See none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried tonight. We'd like to introduce the new executive director of the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation if Gary Dalmas and Randy Hopper would like to come up Thank you councilmen and council women. I'm Gary Dalmas. I'm the chair of the Sheboygan County Economic Development Corporation First of all, I say, thank you for your support for the past two years We have exciting news and that we have a new executive director that started on July 9th And I wanted to bring Randy here to introduce him to you and haven't say a few words So with that I'd like to introduce our new director Randy Hopper from the SEDC. Thank you, Gary First off, let me just say it's it's great to be here. I'm looking forward to working with everybody I had a great meeting with the mayor last week and I'm looking forward to all of us Trying to drive economic development in this area I think a lot of the problems that we have in our state in our county start with helping people find an opportunity for a job I'm looking forward to partnering with everybody on the council to try to get that accomplished Please feel free to call me anytime. I would love to set up one-on-ones with every one of you And so I'll be calling you to do that. We get a little bit of opportunity to discuss the future Thank you very much for being here. Thank you, Randy and welcome to Sheboyan City clerk, do we have anybody with the for the public forum? Yes, we do first on the list is Dave gas Dave, can I have your home address, please? 1921 and you can go ahead Thank you, everybody. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm Dave gas an attorney with Rody Dale's law firm I'm here in behalf of Brett's towing and Brett graph graph and I'm here on the resolution to award the contract for towing services and Brett's perfectly capable of talking on the subject, but it's an emotional subject So I'm here to talk more to articulate his position on this as much as to be really legal But what I'd like to Suggest in in our position is Brett's position is that The current contract of awarding or the process of awarding to one bidder is not necessary There's another arrangement that I would submit as a fairer arrangement to the city I mean it accomplishes the task for the police department And I'm not here to criticize any of the other bidders. They're all capable bidders Some I think are more capable than others, but they all have the ability to provide towing services But unfortunately the current process forces the city to pick one even when that disadvantages Businesses that are tax-paying within the city and I don't think that's fair when you don't have to do that And why do I think you don't have to do that? It's because there's another arrangement out there that I believe Accomplishes the city purposes and is still fair for the business and that's the rotational arrangement whereby You rotate among the qualified bidders and you don't pick one And why do I say that? Well first of all, what are the city's interests in a towing contract? I would submit that the city's interests in the towing contract are really two-fold one How much do they have to pay for law enforcement? for Evidentiary toes that they're responsible for you're worried What what is your cost going to be and secondly clearing the scene of an accident efficiently and expediently and I would submit that a rotational basis does that just right as well as being fair to all the different Businesses that are bidding and why do I say that? Because the qualification process will make it fair you only get to be on the rotation if you qualify But more importantly is there's already an example. It's been in place for decades That's the county the county's been doing a rotational system for decades They have quadrants where people are rotated based on the quadrant they're in and as I understand it's worked very well and I would just ask that the council really Commit to doing a rotational basis. I understand there may be some concern about do you need some more time to basically implement that? And I would agree you probably do I don't think you need more than three to six months I could be wrong on that, but I would think you could put that together based on the fact that we've got a model in place And that you move to that in that way then you can accomplish the goals for the city law enforcement as well as Are fair to all the bidders especially those that are within the city limits? Paying taxes and providing jobs to individuals in our city so with that I would Support and would ask you to consider Going to a rotational committing good to going to a rotational basis I understand there would be some lead time. I don't think it needs to be longer than three to six months But did you go to a rotational basis? as the best way of Accomplishing the goals for the city and being fair to the bidding Tax-paying businesses in the city. Thank you. Thank you, David And then we have Calvin and I don't want to butcher your name. So it's Calvin If you could spell it for me that would be terrific KESW Edr Kesswetter Kesswetter, okay, but you're for years. I just didn't want to do it to you. You'll have five minutes, sir All right. Thank you I'm gonna follow my notes because I'm not as polished the speakers mr. Gas Thank You mr. Mayor and the entire council for giving us the opportunity to speak and before you My name is Calvin Kessler. I'm a service manager for Depot Auto Service and towing. I've been doing this for 14 years The existing towing contract that is scheduled was scheduled to end as of May 1st The one that we're in right now has been postponed several times already bringing us to where we are today Now I have two main issues and I really am gonna try to be brief Mr. Graf brought up the suggestion of switching to a con or from the contract system that we have now in the city of Sheboygan to a Rotational system as exists in the county. I want all to know that Depot is 100% behind that concept We believe it can work We can work together to make this work All the person Lesser began to investigate the idea but she ran into some roadblocks Kind of slowing it down a little bit and she proposed that the last ppns meeting a one-year contract To allow time to research This issue now we understand it takes time as mr. Gas mentioned but we believe that this could be accomplished by the end of the year and We would like to propose that the city and deep will continue to extend this Contract that we're in right now just like we have since May Keep on going to the end of the year and Then by then we should be able to have time to work out the details to get a Rotating list working now at that initial meeting with the ppns and the police chief and finance director recommended arrow towing for this and Only one all the person raised an objection and question them about their choice and this being the best selection for the city of Sheboygan and No real true answer came from that now. I'm asking you as the committee as a whole please consider the facts Number one arrow's prices may appear to be lower on the bid But the contract allows for towing when a tow is done outside the city limits They can be charged mileage at $1 per mile round trip now I interpret this to mean that they can add mileage charges to every tow to their facility That makes the price higher than even the highest bid that was given from the person in the city of Sheboygan To for some the car that just got towed is the only one they have They need to get to their personal belongings or to their vehicle They need to walk take the bus ride in a cab or find a friend to take them there If it's located here in the city, that's Pretty easy, but if it's way out in the country, that's going to be much more difficult for the citizens of Sheboygan Three the contract requires the contract to tow company to respond in 20 minutes now I use map quest to pick three common locations that we have been called to by the police department Now keep in mind these travel times are perfect conditions and no bad weather No traffic jams no road constructions and being in your vehicle driving from arrow shop on highway 32 to City Hall it takes 13 minutes for depot it takes one From arrow to Whedon Creek and sell 12th Street 18 minutes For depot 11 and from arrow to 4th and North Avenue 14 minutes and for depot at 7 Now it's clear that the contractor outside the city is not practical in a 20 minute or less time allowance That's in the bid proposal would be pushed to the limit and or exceeded The only way to make it in 20 minutes is to speed Snow emergencies when we do snow emergencies in a city of Sheboygan. They go very rapidly There's no time to be driving out to the country to drop cars off come back and pick up the next one They have to be done very fast 5th in my final point as of right now Arrow does not have any secured storage on their site that we are aware of you drive by on highway 32 You'll see crash cars sitting all over in the open on highway 32 according to the bid request You must have secured storage meaning a fence with a lock or a building We don't know if they have permission to even be putting that many cars on that property So despite the recommendation has come through we are asking Please consider what is in the best interest of the city of Sheboygan and its residents having to Drive all the way out to the country and we're not talking about just outside of city limits We're talking about about eight miles outside the city Will be an inconvenience to the public as well as to the citizens of Sheboygan Excuse me Kelvin. Would you like an extra minute? I'm sure I'll just wrap it up in motion to approve Okay, go ahead Now as far as picking the lowest price bid Right in the bid proposal on the first page the city reserves the right to reject any and all bids and award the bid that is deemed the most Advantages to the city of Sheboygan Not the cheapest and it even states that although price is a a major concern It is not the only factor in determining who will achieve or who will acquire this Contract as it sits. So the decision that you make tonight is not going to only impact the city and its residents But also local businesses businesses here in the city of Sheboygan paying city taxes and the people they employ Thank you very much for your time. Thank you, Kelvin That would be it Thank you under his mayor's announcements I remind everybody Eastfields Lakeshore weekend is the 27th 28th and 29th at South Pier. Hope to see you all there August 7th. We have National Night Out, which the fire department and police department participating in Walk against crime that will be led by the Sheboygan Police Department and the Sheboygan Sheriff's Department Again, I'd like to see all the citizens and welcome all the citizens there That's all the announcements. I have we now have a hearing an amended To the text of the city ordinance zoning ordinance relating to temporary signs so as to add new Subsection for non-commercial temporary signs. Is there anybody? Wanting to be heard Is there anybody wanted to be heard Is there anybody? Wanting to be heard all them in Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor make a motion to close the hearing It's been moved and seconded to close the hearing is there any further discussion Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries Consent agenda Alderman Hammond Thank you again. Mr. Mayor I make a motion to accept and file all RO's and accept and adopt all RC's put all resolutions and ordinances upon their passage second it's been moved and seconded to accept and file RO's Accept and file all RC's and put upon passage all resolutions. There would be three one through three nine So any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried communication for one will be referred to law and licensing Five One through five eight will be referred all reports of officers Six one a resolution by Alderman Hammond authorizing retaining outside legal counsel to represent the city in a matter Alderman Hammond Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I'd asked for suspension of the rules To move and seconded for suspension of rules is there any discussion on suspension? Hearing none will vote on suspension first 15 eyes Motion carried Alderman Hammond. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. I move that we pass the resolution It's been moving seconded to pass the resolution. Is there any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes again motion carried Six to a resolution by Alderman Heidemann authorizing executing a contract between the city and Moss associates LLC Alderman Heidemann Thank You. Mayor first. I would need a motion to suspend the rules Second it's been moved seconded to spend the rules discussion under suspending the rules Hearing none will vote on suspending rules first 15 eyes to suspend Motion carried Alderman. I don't make a motion to put the resolution upon a passage second It's been moving seconded to put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion on the resolution? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes to pass Motion carried six three through six ten Will be referred Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I'd asked that six ten also be referred to finance as it is a budget related item Thank you in addition to strategic fiscal planning Alderman Hammond can we I Think Alderman Bourne is having a committee of the whole can we do it? Referell Alderman Decker Thank You mr. Mayor. Yeah, I'd also asked to have it referred to Committee of the whole so it will be number 10 will be referred to strategic committee of the whole and finance Thank You 71 Report a committee of law and licensing recommending denying beverage Ison's number 8945 Alderman Vanda Willie Thank You mr. Mayor I move that the RC be accepted and adopted second been moving seconded the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion Alderman van der Lee is Aaron Vrickie here this evening She is here. She appeared before committee on Last week a little history last year 2011 in February of 2011 She applied for her license She was granted even though she had failed to reveal one of her right her only violation So we sent her letter granting the license and told her to be sure to put that on her application She was called before us again Because since that underage alcohol consumption in 2009 Through 2011 she had or during 2011 she had two additional underage alcohols as well as an underage loitering So the committee voted for to want to deny the license Thank You, would you like to address the committee having the council? Last March I had underage and loitering excuse me. Could you speak a little louder there? Yes, thank you in March of last year. I had underage and a loitering I Had an underage because I was present at a place without call. I didn't blow anything That was in August. I forgot to put that on my when I reapplied Basically I'm here because it is my full-time job. It's my main source of money. I've never gotten trouble at my job I've never over served an underager never Nothing has ever gone around at my job. I've been a bartender for three years. I'd like to be approved and not denied All right. Thank you There any discussion from the council all of them in Vanda Willie. Thank you, Mr. Mayor One thing that we did find out during our meeting is that one of her violations for underage alcohol was She was in a bar in Sheboygan with Invalid ID and so our concern is how can she properly ID people and say no to somebody coming in with a Fake ID is there any questions of the applicant all of them in born Thank You mayor Ma'am would you lose your job if you don't have this license or are you still going to be able to work but not close the establishment? I will not be able to work My hours are full-time so they'd find someone else Thank You All of them in raised my question. No, no question same question All of them in Kath Thank You Mary Van Akron Again, is it a question for her? Otherwise pertains to her. Okay. Yes. I would February 15th of 2011 You filled out an application and it came before law and licensing and Jody van der Rohe was on that committee I was bill wagon one come in and Tom powers and the vote was three to one to grant the license I was the one that voted against it. I thought we should have called you in That was in February in March. You're telling this committee last week that You had an underage alcohol underage laudering and You showed a fake ID Just a month after you were given a bartender's license. You showed a fake ID at that time You probably should have been before the committee last year so this year When you renewed You know, you've got four violations and you're not even 21 yet. You've had four violations and That is why we voted, you know Not to renew the license That that's a big deal to have an underage To have a fake ID in a bar when you have a bartender's license. That is a big deal. Thank you I realized it's a big deal. I Learned my license since then the underage in August. I really I didn't drink anything. I was on a campsite No one was 21. I was the only one who didn't blow anything No one was 21 so no one took the Said it was their alcohol. So I got a fee for Being there I guess and I lost my license in March. I Accidentally, is it till May 4th to July 4th? I haven't Been in any trouble since then I've learned my license or my Any other questions for the applicant? Alderman van Ackeren. Thank You mr. Mayor all the violations that have been I guess noted Are all those are personal violations none of them have occurred at work. Those are all on your personal time Yes, okay, and I guess just for the committee members Was that the case as well in the committee? There was no actual violations at the place of employment where she was granted the license or were they all personal? Violations all personal, but she did go walk into a bar with a fake ID. Okay. Thank you Any other questions of the applicant? All right. Thank you. We'll return it back to the floor there Any discussion on the floor? See none clerk will call the roll Just to clarify an aye vote would be to accept and adopt and deny the license just so you're clear nine eyes six nose motion carries 7-2 Committee report from law license in nine beverage license number 95 97 alderman Fandah wheelie. Thank You mr. Mayor move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the order see be accepted and adopted any Under discussion is Amanda stater here this evening She's not here. We invited her to our committee twice and she did not show up either time So any further discussion on? the committee report Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries 173 report from committee law and licensing recommending denying beverage operator license 85 45 alderman van der wheeler Thank You mr. Mayor move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted Is Nathan gets here this evening? He is not here the committee did vote four to one to deny his license and we also had a police recommendation To deny it. Thank you. Is there any other discussion on the RC? Hearing none the committee will call the roll. I mean the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried 74 report from public protection and safety Recommending sending documents to the council to have them look into obtaining grant money for an abatement survey alderman van Akron Thank You mr. Mayor. I moved that the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moving seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted. Is there any discussion hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries 75 is a reported committee from finance recommending filing documents submitted to communication from meals and wheels Meals on wheels staying there have submitted an offer to purchase property behind Taylor dry property alderman born Thank You mayor van Akron. I would make a motion to send this back to finance Second It's been moving seconded to re-refer to finance under discussion alderman born under discussion mayor This is a wonderful organization has nothing to do with the organization, but I think Finance should take another look at the price that we're getting for this land. It might be Setting a dangerous precedent for future sales out on that shukr property. That's why I'd like it sent back to Finance for further consideration Thank you, is there any other discussion Motion is to refer to finance clerk. We'll call the roll 13 eyes to nose motion carries RC from public protection and safety recommending authorizing into Authorizing entering into a contract for provision for towing vehicles alderman van Akron. Thank you Thank you, mr. Mayor I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted in the substitute resolution be put upon its passage second It's been moving seconded that the RC put Be accepted and adopted in the resolution be put upon its passage Can I ask all the alderman to speak up into their? Microphones we're having trouble tonight with the air conditioning stuff people hearing so speak louder and speak to your microphones Please alderman born Under discussion. Thank you, ma'er. I was wondering if we could have the representative from the police department give us the department's opinion on the rotational The rotational system on the towing as Advocated by one of the people at the public forum tonight. I believe two of them talked about it Captain Cobb The police department is not an advocate of a rotational towing system We are an advocate for a towing contract of three years The reason I say this I know that the Sheriff's Department has a rotational towing system We have also in the past been on a rotational towing system We tow over 300 cars a year in one department The problems that arose in a rotational towing system that we experienced back prior to 1996 Would still be in place today, even though we have a computer-generated rotation the problems we experienced in the past were Questioning who gets to be within the towing list Once they're in with it in the towing list, how do you set the prices on what they're going to charge for a tow? How do you go back and audit who's on a tow? more importantly fighting inner fighting between tow truck drivers on Their perception of whose turn it is to be called for a tow These are all reasons that we got away from a rotational list into a contract system to begin with With a contract bid with a contract tow service. We have control over The price of tows under certain conditions What's going to happen with cars that are towed? We have a lot more involvement in ensuring that a car that is towed is available back to the Person who owns the car in the first place Because we have those arrangements spelled out ahead of time with with the company that we contract So that is that is really our you know our main purpose and our desire to stay with a towing contract Thank you before you leave That I would like to follow up if I could sure all the men born Captain Cobb Do you consider to be one of your criteria that time is of the essence to get a car picked up? And I I know the gentleman quoted some times for for a local tow operation and then of course you have to take into consideration during the winter when this when the Streets are really bad. So is time of time of the essence. Is that important to the department? Yes, tight times important. We have we have limits within the time bit or we have time limits within the bit itself In the last 16 years. I don't ever remember Can't we've never canceled a contract or try to get out of a contract because of tardiness and showing up at a scene We have questioned and asked for an explanation from time to time Because of an extended amount of time Certainly we understand under certain conditions There is going to be occasions where the 20 minutes has exceeded We don't want that to be our operating principle. So I have one more if I could mayor One more. Thank you. And that is the other point that the gentleman brought up Has it been verified by the committee or the department whether the company in Sheboygan Falls does indeed have A secure area to store the cars is not been verified by the department they have They've accepted the bid and it would be terms of the contract if they violate the terms of the contract We'd be out of the contract Thank you. Thank you. I have two lights on Alderman Hammond and Alderman Donahue. Do you have questions of the captain or Okay, thank you captain Then Alderman Donahue Thank you mayor as an initial matter. I am loathe to Interfer with the committee recommendation That's why we have committees and that that's why their work is so important But with the exception that proves the rule I will speak Regarding concerns that I have based on the information that I have received that the second bid which was from depot towing Was approximately $4 per call less than the winning bid Thankfully thankfully municipalities do structure bids to indicate that price is not the only criterion that we look at We look at quality of service. We look at It's sort of the bang that you get for the buck for the reasons that were outlined actually by both speakers it would indicate to me that That there are significant concerns about just going with the lowest bid here Secondly and the reason that I would need to vote against this is that if in fact the amount of money is relatively small I Can't see taking that business out of the city of Sheboygan I think that we need to to the extent that we can within prudent financial parameters, of course Support local businesses as best we can If I do have any of that information wrong as it was presented to me, I do apologize But I based on the information that I did receive. I'll be voting against this resolution Thank You all the men down here all of them in Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor and Alder and Donna here did a wonderful job of stealing my thunder. I certainly appreciate that But I also have a little bit of a concern the time factor not withstanding and All else being relatively equal I would much prefer to keep it inside of the city of Sheboygan with taxpayers that are paying Taxes inside the city of Sheboygan. I understand we don't have a bi-local ordinance But on the flip side, you know, these guys are paying taxes inside the city of Sheboygan my understanding there hasn't been a service issue and All else being equal again Why wouldn't we keep it here? So I also? Will not be supporting this and would strongly encourage taking a look at other alternatives for this I know the police department may not be a big fan of the rotational system But I think at some point maybe Further review of that might be warranted with the police department's involvement to figure out There's a way to make this work. Thank you Thank you all them and him and all them the racelor Thank You. Mr. Mayor. I'll just as a point I have a personal and professional working relationship with many people involved in this so I'll be upstanding Thank you. All of me cuff. Thank you, Mary Van Akron I was actually at one of the public protection and safety meetings and there was a number that was thrown out One of the bidders mentioned it was a three million dollar contract that three year. Is that does that have? Teeth to it. Is this a three million if this was a three-year contract would this be a million dollar contract? Thank You mayor when I had the meetings with the police department and Everyone else involved The police department may we can bring them up said that it was not a million dollar contract It was more like a hundred thousand dollar contract over the three years I suggested we made it a one-year contract It'll come do at the same time a county does giving us a year's time to be able to find out the best Solution for our city whether we go on rotation or another method and so I did not make a motion to do three-year contract I made a motion to do a one-year contract then took the recommendation of our police department and our finance our Person and took their recommendation and suggested that arrow had gotten it, but it is not a three million dollar contract Or is it a one million dollar contract? It's possibly a one hundred thousand dollar contract over three years From my understanding, I guess the police department could clear that up much better than I could Alderman Lissard or or the chairman We're talking a one-year contract with this and then in April of 2000 And we'd be looking at the next contracts again, or we talk in a year from today's date Aluminum an Akron Thank You mr. Mayor, and maybe Steve would be able to enlighten us more on the legal aspect of that But I believe if I if the contract would do to end in May it would probably be until next May Again as Alderman Lissard pointed out she did amend the document from a three-year contract to a one-year contract But but I guess I would ask Steve his opinion on that if the current contract Technically ended in May if we renew a contract would that be from May or from I guess then the renewal point today? You're asking me I have I've not participated in the public protection safety or had any involvement in the in The bid specs or anything like that, but I would say it's a one-year from when you enter in the contract That's what I would assume would be the The proposal it wouldn't make any sense to go back to May I mean they're they can't provide service back in May they'll start whenever Contract is entered into and I think as it's worded would be one year from the time the contract was executed If it was your intention to go to May, I think you could make an amendment to do that But you know it's up to your whatever your attention of your committee is any other discussion See none What's that? I'm sorry. I didn't see your light all the minister Thank You mayor the other concern I had was in in doing this Investigation was to keep our business locally in the city, and I had some concerns that arrow was outside the city And I did have some conversations with city attorney, and I've forgotten his name I'm so sorry we cannot Deny a bid if they're not in the city there. There's we can't do that. So that's why Half of the people that work for arrow do live in the city But the business is located outside the city, and he's in said he's in the process of buying a business a Carrex on Taylor Drive To hopefully be within the city. So that's why we didn't discriminate against what city the business was located in Thank you any other discussion Alderman van Ackeren. Thank You mr. Mayor. I guess just my Point louder, please. Thank You mr. Mayor my points to this is is again I put a lot of weight on the recommendations of the police chief as well as the purchasing agent Bernie Romer The company that would be awarded the one-year contract did meet the bid Specifications and was the lowest bid that was brought in he did receive the recommendation from both our purchasing agent as well As the police chief so they have high confidence that he'll be able to provide the service We're asking him to do Again, I do share their concerns of the the city business compared to just being outside of the city However, that's not part of our bid process, and I think if we are going to start Mixing that into our bid process that the only you know companies that can bid for a service like this Our companies that reside within the city. I think we'd we'd be taking ourselves down a dangerous road legally So I think we based our decision off the best information we had as well as the recommendations from the police department and the purchasing agent So I do support the the one-year Granting of this contract and we certainly over the next year can look at other provisions as to how this may or may not be able to Be adjusted Thank you any other discussion hearing none clerk will call the roll Six eyes eight nose one abstention Motion fails 7-7 report a committee from public protection and safety recommending repealing and recreating municipal Code for their peeling the two thousand foot requirement for sex offenders Alderman Van Akron. Thank you, mr. Mayor I would move that the RC be accepted and adopted in the ordinance be put upon its passage second So move and seconded that the RC be accepted adopted in a resolution be put upon its passage under discussion Alderman Amen Thank You mr. Mayor I was just hoping for the folks at home that maybe Alderman Van Akron you could explain what the document means and What this entails because there's a change to our sex offender registry just don't want to scare people at home Alderman Van Akron. Sure the the change really entails that if a Person applies for a sex offender resident street residency waiver If they apply for that and they are denied that they cannot apply for an identical waiver within 90 days It it puts a 90-day time space that you can come back and apply for an identical waiver Again, we've ran into some instances where we've had individuals who have come to three four meetings in a row Fill out the paperwork and again the circumstances of what they're asking for nothing has changed They just continually come back Again, this puts a 90-day waiting period that if your circumstances do not change if you're not looking at a different address If any of the concerns by the committee members That were addressed at the committee if none of those things are changed and it's an identical request as before You have to wait 90 days to come back to the committee or come in front of the committee So that's the only change that's happening Thank you. Thank you any other question any other questions from the council Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried 7 8 through 7 11 will be referred to finance and the committee of the whole 7 10 through 7 14 will we be referred to finance and The committee of the whole under discussion all the men born Thank You mayor do I understand you correctly then that not only 7 8 which is indicated It's going to the committee of the whole but 7 9 10 and 11 also Yes Okay Very good and and then 12 13 and 14 will be sent to finance strategic and the committee of the whole As stated, I'm sorry all the mccarles. Thank you mayor. I'm just gonna I think someone's got to make the motion because according to the agenda. It's just going to finance 7 9 10 and 11 So moved I don't think that's I think the chair has the option to refer to the committees I Don't think you'd need to vote on that but if somebody is opposed to that I guess Any other discussion We'll move on Ordinance is 8 1 will be referred matterly over general ordinance 8 12 13 from Alderman a raceler Cough vandal William Donahue amending the municipal code to reclassify various positions in the Department of Public Works Alderman Raceler, thank you. Mr. Mayor move that the ordinance be put upon its passage second It's been moved and seconded that the ordinance be put upon its patches any discussion hearing none the 15 eyes Motion carries Matters laid over I'm sorry notice of discharge Alderman Carlson Thank You mayor. I move that the public safety and protection committee be discharged from further consideration of RL 63 dash 12 dash 13 And RL 64 dash 12 dash 13 and referred to finance Zero second second It's been moved that seconded that the documents from public protection safety regarding the Budget issues be sent to finance Would there be a friendly amendment to send it to committee of the whole and strategic since all the other ones have been sent there too? Thank you so the the Motion then is to have those documents sent to the committee of the whole strategic and finance Thank you under discussion Alderman born Any other discussion Alderman van Ackeren Thank You mr. Mayor. I guess I would encourage and ask the council to Deny this request the little louder, please the reason for The delay at this point is that there is an upcoming strategic fiscal planning meeting Hopefully within the next week and a half or so hopefully that we can get that done before the next public protection and safety meeting the reason that the Public protection and safety committee has not reviewed those two documents yet is that part of the discussion in the strategic fiscal planning Meeting is going to be setting the objectives and goals of the budget process And it didn't make sense to me to review our budget documents until we have the goals and objectives of the budget process in front Of us so the the reason that those two documents have not been acted upon as I've held them until we can actually have that strategic fiscal meeting set what the goals and objectives of the the budget process is going to be before we actually review the the committee's Budget requests that are in front of us So I would ask for the patience of the council in a two-week extension to hold that meeting and then be able to review Though budget requests line by line with the committee rather than circumventing the committee's Ability to review that. Thank you Lemon Carlson, thank you mayor Ppns had has had the two meetings since the budget was referred to the committee level We did in fact go through the fire department's portion of the budget and building inspection The only department we were waiting for is the police chief The police chief and and or a representative was not at the the first meeting that we discussed the budget the second meeting The police chief was present. It wasn't on the agenda if everybody remembers a few weeks ago we did approve a budget schedule and That's part of the reason why I'm pulling this out because we Strategic fiscal planning committee the whole and finance are meeting on this and it's going to be Based on the preliminary budget any changes can be made in those three committees And everyone's going to have a kick at the cat at that point But once again, we did approve the budget process of the schedule every other committee Within the council did submit a budget except for Ppns And I couldn't find a really good reason why to prolong this process even more. Thank you Any other discussion Alderman Riesler? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I guess is a compromise I don't see the strategic fiscal committee meeting before the Public safety is going to meet career for it to them as well And it goes to all four and then everybody's happy that emotion Friendly amendment to the motion. Yes. It's been moved and seconded to amend the amendment To send it to all the protection savey strategic finance Committee of the whole anybody else want it or Under discussion on the amendment only all the manhammon. Thank you, Mr. Mayor Just a point of clarification. Are you going to be having a ppns meeting next Wednesday? I know you indicated you're going to be out of town. Will there be a meeting? A week from this upcoming Wednesday All the manhammon. Can we ask when when was the strategic planning as soon as this ppns budget is approved by ppns? So later that evening It's got to be referred to if we If it's got to be referred to the All the money money Okay, so I just have a sense that there's somebody behind the door with an axe Can't just somebody tell me what's going on? This is a little nutty So just someone really tell me what's happening. I'm interested in this Surely somewhere there is an answer Lurking and I would be interested Alderman Donahue. Thank you Alderman vernacoring. Thank you As I stated I held it off the agenda on purpose for the fact that it was my understanding We'd be having a strategic fiscal planning meeting before my next meeting in which we would discuss the goals and objectives Of the budget process and I thought it was important to have that laid out before reviewing our budget as to whether or not We should be looking for cuts. Should we be looking for a zero-based budget? Are we looking at two to three percent increases? You know what really is the goal and objective of the overall budget process and then how is our committee supposed to be? Reflective of that so that really was the goal of that I understand that it won't meet the budget schedule That certainly was set up and like I said that that solely is My responsibility but but again I did hold that off because it was my understanding We'd be having this meeting here shortly and was my hope to have those budget goals and objectives in place before reviewing it at our Committee level Alderman Carlson is it on the amendment or on the document itself? I was actually going to try to attempt to answer her question. Oh, are you gonna continue to attempt to? I Could yes Alderman Carlson quite frankly. It's all it Hope the holding of this document really comes down to the garbage fee And that document going to strategic fiscal planning. So that's really what the hold-up is There's really no other reason to hold it because we've had plenty of time to review it How many months ago we directed the department heads and the city administrator or the to come up with the budget? They had a goal. That's a budget. They presented later on down the line There was a new plan put in the place to repeal the garbage fee and that's really what this is about All right, the motion is to hold them in Donahue And pertinent to the amendment to the amendment I guess the question that I would have then with the plethora of committees that are going to attend to the budget And I would certainly defer to President Hammond on this But what is the most sensible? way That we proceed because that will influence my vote if it's a question of strategic financial planning not meeting until after ppns Then that's an issue I Would expect expect that the strategic committee meeting would be before committee of the whole to me that would be more of a Planning and and seeking kind of discussion. So Tell me what is the best thing tell us all what the best way is to handle this for the council and for all the folks We represent and that's how I'll vote Thank You. Mr. Mayor The goal of the budget timeline was to have all the budgets Reviewed by the respective committees go to strategic physical planning either this week If most of the committee could be there or next week with also finance looking at it on what next Monday? committee of the whole looking at on the 31st yes, and coming back to the council the following first council meeting of August so that was the laid-out timeline and all of the discussion up until Just recently so that would be the way I would Propose seeing it would be to go to strategic fiscal Finance next week and then committee the whole the following week with recommendations going back to the council the first week of August Okay, the motion is to send it to strategic finance strategic fiscal planning finance committee the whole and public protection and safety Hearing no more calm clerk will call the roll I gotta proceed. I gotta proceed. I'm sorry I didn't see that when I started. Thank you I have a procedural question for either the clerk or the city attorney Do we have is that friendly motion is that friendly amendment? Is that accepted and we don't have to vote on that separately because I'd really like to vote on the I'd really like to vote on the Friendly amendment to send it back to finance I'm sorry. Was it was it to go back to finance or public public back? It was to go back to ppns that was a friendly amendment to include ppns in there Yes, so I go to all four okay Can we can we vote on that friendly amendment or do we have to vote on this whole package of where it's going to go? Well the front friendly amendment generally Goes back to the person who made the original motion and I didn't accept it and If the person making the motion agrees to the friendly amendment to amend his original motion or her original motion then It's accepted. Otherwise if if the person making the original motion Doesn't accept it as a friendly amendment then you would need to vote on that You didn't accept it Alderman Carl. No, okay Okay, so now the amendment is or Motion is to send it to finance strategic Fiscal planning and to Committee the whole And we have a question All the men raised wouldn't we vote on the friendly amendment then if it wasn't accepted I need a motion if there's a motion. I thought you would need to make a motion So okay, I will do that. I'll make a motion to vote on the friendly amendment to include Ppns in that it's been moved and seconded to amend to go to to Public protection and safety to be added to the other three Like we'll call the mold the role on the amendment only give me a minute You want to add ppns to the list is that the amendment? Okay, this is to Prove an amendment to add ppns to the current list That's in the motion previous eight eyes seven nose motion carried Back to the original Clerk will call the roll hang on all four committees now. I Gotta go find it now Love this modern technology. Hey, give me a break here Could just take a Take a manual roll call I Still have to get back in to do the rest of it Actually, I don't never mind All right, the motion was to pass no, okay, I got a backup here many recommendations with sending it Or the amendment was to set to send it to four committees Let's back up from there. We first have we have two motions first We have to have a motion to discharge ppns. Yes or no Then you have a motion to refer and we wouldn't even yeah, then we have a motion to refer to the four committees I need two motions. The first motion is to pull it from ppns. I thought we did it all in fee did not Click will call the roll Bellinger I Born I Carlson. Hi, Decker. Oh Donahue Hammond, hi, I didn't win. All right, class. I was hard. Hi Lewandusky Made a check. Hey, I'm sorry. No, no Raceler Ben Akron. No Vanderweel. Hi And Wongamon Ten eyes five nose. Okay, now it's we need a motion to Refer refer it to the four committees, right? That's there And we can do an all eyes if you want that's fine. I'll adjust it. All those in favor signify by saying aye Hi No, no, we need a motion Okay, we need a motion first to refer refer all of them Carlson make a motion to refer it to Ppns committee the whole strategy physical planning and finance second So move is seconded to refer to the four committees. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Hi chair votes. I'm sorry Opposed hi Motion carries lipstick roll there was We're taking a roll. There was not a unanimous. I Don't think that's true, but okay. I didn't think I can't roll while we took go ahead. No Carlson. No Decker. Hi down to you. Hi Hammond. Hi, I didn't win. Oh Cough. No Lassard. Hi Lewandusky Maddachuk. Hi Raceler. Hi Ben Akron. Hi Vanderwheel. No And one good man Ten eyes five nose motion carries Other matters city attorney 11.2 as an RO by the fire chief section 50-494 of the municipal code Submitting his quarterly report for the period commencing April 1 2012 and ending June 30 2012 That will be Sent to public protection and safety 11.3 is a resolution by Alderperson Hammond Committing fund balances in accordance with gas be 54 That will be referred to I an answer You want that also to go to strategic in committee the whole census talking about your fund balances everything else is Just where everything else is. I don't care. Okay, this will go to finance strategic and committee of the whole 11.4 is communication from Alderperson Hammond requesting that resolution number 234 0304 Establishing a policy for applying undesignated fund balance for the general funds ensuing your budget. I Assume the repeal that's not in there But and to draft the resolution to establish a fund balance policy in accordance with gas be 54 This will be sent to finance committee of the whole and strategic Anything else? Motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second it's been moved and seconded Her to call the roll Hang on hang on hang on you found one one is an RO by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period And in June 30 2013 and June 30 2014 That will just be sent to lawn licensing now a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn Move seconded to adjourn Put all all in favor signify by saying aye. Hi. Hi Close motion carried