 Okay, welcome to the Monday, January the 4th, 2021 meeting of the Mypealier Design Review Committee. I will let members and staff introduce themselves by speaking their names. Martha Smirsky, Member. Liz Pritchett, Member. Eric Yalbertson, Member. Anna Smith, Member. And Steve Everett, Member, and Meredith. Thank you. Ben Cheney, Member. And Meredith Crandall, Staff. Okay. I'll ask Meredith to review the remote for meeting for procedures and process. Okay. So, sorry. One second. All right. This is mostly for people at home watching via ORCA. So for those at home watching via ORCA, you can participate in tonight's design review committee meeting via the Zoom platform. You can use the link here to go directly to the Zoom meeting. You also have the option to call in this phone number. In either way, there's the meeting ID and password. If you're having any issues accessing the meeting, you can email me here. I'm going to review a few of the meeting procedures. 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And then please note here for members of the public, if you're having problems seeing screen shares, you can access all of the meeting packet information at this link here. It's the city's agendas and minutes page. Okay. Please note that all votes taken during this meeting will be brought back over to the chair. Thank you. You're welcome. And everybody's had a chance, all committee members had a chance to look at the agenda. Do I hear a motion to approve the agenda? Eric moves. The agenda. I second. Okay. The agenda speaker names. Eric, yes. Martha, yes. Yes. Yes. And Steve, yes. So we can go forward with the first application for seven and nine Berry street. Owner Steve Verbalini. Apple cook. Woodbelly pizza for two signs. And as someone there from Woodbelly pizza. Yep. That's here. Okay. Describe your signs and application for us. So we're applying for a three by 10. Sign vinyl out in the front of our shop, just to give named face. And that's a temporary vinyl sign up there for the first quarter of the year, likely. And after that, it'll be a metal and wood sign of the same dimensions. And an extension to existing lighting to include two new out. Junctions to put outdoor lighting at. That's it. Let me know if you want me to bring up the application information. That'd be great to share, I guess. What was the dimension again. The sign, the vinyl sign is two and a half by 10. Thereabouts. I have a written on the application. I'm not too sure. It's been a while since I looked. On page. There's a picture of it on page. It says two feet by eight feet. Ah, it might be an influence. It's just a print out from. How do I not look at this anymore? That must have been what it was two by eight. We weren't sure because there was something on the first page. It talks about the vinyl wall sign. It shows two and a half by 10. But then on the picture, it shows two by eight. It shows two feet by eight feet. I'd have to double check. I'd air on the side of two and a half by 10. I'm not sure which one got printed off. It seems like we've had a lot of hands in this application and. Clearly a lack of communication on which one we sent it with. Yeah, it looks, I'm sorry. I didn't catch this earlier. It looks like you have the vinyl wall sign is one size. And then the finished wall sign is a different size. They should be the same size. Okay. Both will be the size of the vinyl. Okay. The vinyl says two and a half by 10 below that it says finished wall one and a half by 12. And then the picture it shows two by eight. Strange. It must be several different pages. I know I've sent y'all a handful of different ones over the last couple of months. The two and a half by 10 is likely the vital sign that was just printed out. And our finished sign of our permanent sign will be the same size. It'll just be. Not vinyl. Okay. So you're going with the two and a half by 10. Yep. How are we doing or Meredith? How are we doing with the square footage? I'm not saying notes on the application form. She and I have been alternating days in the office. So I mean, whatever we end up with. It wouldn't. Exceed what they're, what they're allowed for the, for the frontage on the building. Would make it any bigger than what you guys approved for sure. We might have to decrease the size. But hold on one second. So that's what is, I'm going to stop. Well, I'll look it up separately. See if I can find it. I'm trying to remember what's on that building right now. Nothing. Nothing anymore. Used to be a big fish or auto sign. And they took that down when they left. Yep. So I think that they've got quite a bit of. Sign allowance. By the way, just for informational purposes, the, there's a picture on page. It shows the lettering. And it shows the, the caps at 10 inches. And again, with 10 inch lettering. By sign designs. It's easily readable up to a hundred feet. So that's. Certainly sufficient size for that location. Yeah, that was the idea for the finished signage. Those letters would be made of metal or metal. High-density plastic. And anchored to the wall with a metal bracket. Would individual letters be fixed to the wall or to a. A wooden background. Or would be a wooden plate. Each one of fixed to that. Okay. And then the wooden plate would be attached to the building. That is correct. And when the wooden plates attached to the building, it might be helpful to have it stand off the building a little bit. So you don't get any moisture issues. Between the. The wood background of the sign and the sighting on the building. Absolutely. I'm okay with a pretty good size sign there because. It's kind of set back from the street. Okay. And. It's one of the. When we do downtown signs, it's a. You know, they're more pedestrian. This is a drive-by sign. Okay. What we'll do is we'll just clarify. Everybody's okay with the two and a half by 10. We'll just clarify that because it. On the front page, it says the finished wall sign is going to be one and a half by 12. So we'll stick with a two and a half by 10. That seems to be the accepted sign. Is. Does anyone on the committee have any other. Questions or suggestions? Not for me. Have we talked about colors? Not, not yet. I don't. Do you see anything about the colors of the sign? Is there a color representation of the sign? The sign will be. The, it's a wooden cookie. The wood cut and black letters. So color. So what would cut on the. Logo and then black letters. Yeah. What about the log in there? Is that going to still be black? I didn't catch that. The log logo that's part of the sign. That will be made of one. So it'll be a natural wood color. Yep. Okay. That's cool. I think the other, the other thing that I'm not sure if it shows or not. The other thing that would make the sign really stand out against the building. Is to as your, as your. Pictorial representation of it shows. Put a, put a thin black pen stripe around the perimeter of it, which will make it stand off the building. Yeah. That is a great idea. What about the lighting? Thanks for asking. I was going to ask about that. There's existing, there's an existing junction. Where there's one exterior light. And it's just above the door. Okay. In the design application, we extend that junction with a bit of conduit and run two more boxes. Oh, look at that. There's the old one. Yep. So we had run two more, two more junctions and basically centered on the windows and just the right of the windows. We have. Three exterior rated. Gooseneck lights. To replace the existing box with. And what kind of light was there now? It's an old, a halogen. And I don't know if I included a picture. I know I had one somewhere. It's just an old boxy. Brick looking thing. Okay. Does it have a goose neck the way yours do? It does not. It is just a box. Okay. We're trying to limit the amount of light thrown across the street. And so these would point down. Yep. And they're relatively low. Sub 40 watt led. I think they're 40 watt. Could be off. This, the, the picture you sent says it's a 42 watt led and the 3000 K range. Yep. That would be it then. 42 watt. Okay. That's certainly acceptable. The led is certainly the best way to go to get. As much lighting with low energy use. Does anyone have any other questions? So we'll run through the criteria. And again, the only. Adjustments will be clarifying that the. Signs will be maximum of two and a half feet by 10 feet. Again, subject to any limitations. On the frontage. And that the. Lettering will be 10 inch lettering. The lettering will be in black. And the logo will be in a natural wood. And again, recommended. A blank pinstripe around the perimeter of the sign. Were there any other. Any other comments or. Adjustments. For suggested. Okay. Then I can go through the criteria. The criteria for all projects. Exterior design and materials. Of new construction or alterations. Additions to existing buildings shall be. Respect and be compatible with the size scale materials. Detailing an overall character of the primary building. Additions. To the exterior shall not obscure or undermine the essential forming character of the original building. It should reflect the additions period and style. Those are acceptable. Location and appearance of all youth. Which would be including the lighting. She'll be cited to minimize adverse visual impact. Or adequately and appropriately screened from public view. The three. Light fixtures are acceptable. Architectural features. Including, but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan lights and tabulator. Trem. And other forms of lighting. And then we'll go through the criteria. They have to reflect. The overall features. Including, but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan, lights and tabulator, trembling and other forms of motors or care defining detailing prevailing. Prevailing on the existing building shall be considered in the alteration. The signs and the lighting does not obscure any of that. That's acceptable. Outdoor lighting fixtures. The structural design of outdoor lighting fixtures shall be of the building and compatible with the neighborhood. Those are acceptable. There is the set of criteria specifically for signs. Size, location, design, color, texture, lighting and material of all exterior designs within the district should be compatible with the building and structures of the site and surrounding properties acceptable. Signing shall respect the original signed placement and signed bans on historic structures acceptable. If the building has multiple tenants, there shall be consistency and placement in size acceptable at this location. Signed placement be centered over the building entries at this location, that location over the windows is acceptable. Sign installation shall minimize damage to a character defining materials on the building acceptable. Signed design, color and typography shall respect historic precedents where appropriate and shall be appropriate scale the appropriate scale for the existing building acceptable. Sign support structures shall be compatible with the building architecture and must not be overly complex or dominant in and of themselves acceptable. Lighting fixtures for signs on facades shall not conflict with or damage the building's architectural integrity or cover or impact character defining structural architectural features acceptable. Lighting fixtures for signs mounted on all building for sides shall be designed with appropriate housing, shielding and photometrics to ensure there's appropriate lighting levels and illumination that focuses on the sign panels acceptable. And with the other recommendations, do I hear an approval by speaking your names? Eric. This is Martha, I say yes. Liz, yes. Jenna says yes. Ben says yes. And Steve says yes. So the application is approved. Thanks, y'all. You're welcome. We'll email you the recommendation form for you to sign off on because there were some recommendations on there. And then once you've either got email, confirmation or the signed recommendation forms back, we'll issue the permit. Sounds great. Thank you all so much. And have a happy new year. You too. Okay. Thank you very much and good luck with your project. Cheers. Okay. The next application is for six Berry street. Honor over Lake park. Applicant Edward Richardson for the front. I'll three C again for projecting sign. Is someone there. To describe the signs. Yep. It's, um, It's a projecting sign. The story behind it is in 2017. I believe. Jesse Cooper filed a. A permit. And the front was awarded a permit for a. A larger sign and a smaller projecting sign. A smaller projecting sign never got installed before the permit expired. And Jesse who did the original application is no longer with the front. So I've. Taken over trying to get this done. So I basically. Repurposed his materials in the application I put in. And, uh, And that's basically it. It's, uh, It's I think 20 by 20 inches. Hi and 30 inches deep. I mean, why? It's the same same material and finishes the sign that's already up there. Above the door. I think the installation is pretty straightforward. Expanding bolts and glue into the mortar. It's a recommendation on the previous permit to not, um, damage the brick. Pull up. There's one, um, image in particular in the application that I think. Is helpful. Give me just a second. The one that actually shows what the projecting sign would look like on site. Um, where it's imposed over a photograph. There we go. Let me just rotate this. Sorry. Only let's me go clockwise. We're going to go all the way around. There. I should also say that I made that sign and it is sitting in my shop. Um, so I'm probably not going to vote on this, but I can't answer any questions. Uh, that anybody may have about it. How much clearance is there under the sign between the sign, the sidewalk. I think it's eight feet. 96 inches. Thank you. To be on the sheet there. It says 96 inches. And it's the same design as the one that is already in existence. Yeah. And actually it's, uh, the color is very difficult to pin down because it's very reflective. So the background is black and the letters are white. I know they're cut out of steel. Oh, okay. So it's steel and the letters are cut out. So. The whole thing is a powder coated gray. And, and then yeah, the letters are a cut out. So it's actually. Pretty interesting that the way the. The, the does backwards when you walk one way or the other, because it's a lot of different things. It's kind of playful and interesting. Does anyone on the committee have any other questions, comments or suggestions? Not for me. I'm just going to know we had somebody come in while we were looking, doing the screen share and. I don't know if. That's somebody who's on to talk about this application. If you are on a feel free to speak up. Um, if you're not, then that's okay too. You can just observe. Hi, can you hear me? Yes. Justin work out here. I was here for the VCFA discussion, but I may be premature. And I'm under my daughter's login. Sorry. I'm trying to figure out how to do all this. That's okay. So this is Meredith. Yeah. Feel free to email me or call me in a little bit. You logged into the design review committee here. Instead of the development review board hearing that starts at seven. Okay. I will come back at seven. Thank you. Okay. Without further ado, we can go through the criteria for this project. Exterior design and materials. They'll be consistent and compatible with the characteristics of existing building. And other properties in the district. Additions are compatible with the size, scale, materials detailing and overall character of the primary building. And they decide does not obscure or undermine the central form and character of the original building. That's acceptable. Architectural features, including, but not limited to cornices, windows, shutters, fan lights and tablet or trim other forms of molding or character development. Prevailing on the existing building should be considered. And then again, the location of the sign is acceptable. Outdoor lighting fixtures. The, there's no lighting for this sign is there. No. Okay. And that's certainly acceptable. And then. There's a set of criteria for specifically for signs. Size location design, color, texture, lighting and material of all exterior design. Signs within the district. She'll be compatible with the building and structures of this and surrounding properties. Acceptable. Where appropriate. Signing shall respect the original sign placement and sign bands on its own. Structures. This location. And the sign at this location is acceptable. If a building has multiple tenants, there should be consistency and placement and size acceptable here. It's recommended that sign placement be centered over entries. The projecting sign at this point is acceptable. Sign installation shall minimize damage to the building. The projecting sign at this point is acceptable. Sign installation shall minimize damage to character defining materials. The. Sign being mounted and the mortar joints is acceptable. Which is the next recommendation and Masonry buildings fasteners shall be in the mortar joints acceptable. Sign design color and typography shall respect historic precedence where appropriate. And she'll be the appropriate scale for existing and new buildings acceptable. Sign support structure shall be compatible with the building architecture acceptable. And lighting fixtures for signs and there's no lighting for this sign. So that's certainly acceptable. And then lighting fixtures again. There's no lighting on this sign acceptable. All committee members in favor of the application. Speak your names. Eric. Martha, I say yes. Yes. Yes. Anna says yes. And Steve says yes. So the sign is approved. Hold on. I'm going to recuse myself on the. Okay. We didn't include you in the vote. Right. So we're good. So it's approved. Thanks very much. And again, it's notated that Ben had recused himself from the, from the vote on the sign. Very much. Thank you, Ned. We'll, um, because you won't need to sign off and then the recommendations or changes or anything. Once we get the sign forms from Steve, we'll get that permit issued and sent out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. And as everybody had a chance to look at the minutes of December 21st. I did. This is Martha and it was only you and I and Hannah and I. So I moved to approve the minutes from December 21st. And I will second. All in favor of approving the minutes. Speak your names. Okay. Thank you. Martha. And Steve. Some minutes are approved. Does anyone have any other business? So again, our other, our next meeting is Tuesday, January the 19th. And with that. Additional. Business. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? Eric moves it. I'll second that please. All in favor of adjournments. Speak your names. And Steve. So meeting is adjourned. Thank you all very much. Okay, thanks. Thank you. Be on two weeks. Yep. Bye-bye. Bye.