 Whoa, we're halfway there. No, that song applies, but no, I don't know right now. To EFAP mini catch up for the anniversary episode, which at this point of this releasing was probably a little while ago. Hey, maybe this is after the next anniversary that gets released. Who knows? We we've been trying to get through all the catching up stuff while also getting through all those TV shows and all the coverage and all the Halloweeny stuff. And hey, maybe I'll have played Ragnarok by the time this is. Oh, my God. I hope it's good. It's really depressing. It's really bad. I hope you had a great time. Yeah. So we are here to attempt at chronologically reading out and responding to every message we received during the. Good. All right. Specifically for 200 hour fourth anniversary. Yeah, as I've just been pointed out, we're already past a fifth of the way to next time. I'm the one quite quick, you know. Yeah, pop it. Or is everything. We'll figure it out. Anyway, there's no reason not to simply get started. This is probably going to be maybe even a three part mini. It's going to be one of the long minis. People have been critical of the name mini for a long time for that reason. But you know what? Everything. Length is relative. Length is relative. Yeah. Yeah. Just try to counter that. You can't. So the first one is length relative or is it just a. Length compared to other things is relative. Because like I guess I should say. Because like long is relative. Yeah, long is relative. I guess what I meant. Long and short. What would you call those measurements? I'm trying to I'm trying to think like relative measurements. Sort of. There's got to be a name for like long, short, tall, you know, those kinds of thighs, thighs, relative, as I always say. No, I wouldn't even say that because like you could measure size in a way that isn't relative. Like the size of the earth isn't, you know, relative. Yeah, I don't know what those words are called. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll get our answer before whatever those are. It's relative. Those are we have the same thought and we'll ask us and then we won't have the answer for them and then we'll be no closer to ascertaining the truth. I just hope there's an afterlife so I can ask for that. And then I get the answer. God is like, oh, man, I know I am my soul as a piece. Imagine that's what the afterlife is. He's like, so you had approximately 17,000 unanswered questions. We're going to get through every single one and you're like, really? He's like, yep. First one when you were a kid, you were wobbling around and you said, well, what's that? That was the sun. We're talking about the sun. Very bright. Right up there. Wobbling around. If it's wobbling around, it might not be this. No, I bet you were wobbling around because you were. Oh, yeah. All right. I just like they're like, oh, no, I didn't need that answer. He's like, we're going through every one of them. OK, I can't know which ones you want to know the answer to now. We're going to have to go through all of them. So what was the meaning of life? We'll do that one at the end. All right. We'll wind wind everything down with the meaning of life. Yeah. So the first message says, I grew up surrounded by EFAP. Happy 200 Masses. Oh, thank you very much. My I'm glad that that meme is carrying on. I really like that. I said it earlier. How bad the dialogue was that it will be. That's what the show is remembered for. The I grew up surrounded by water. That like baffle the fuck out of me when I first heard him say this. Why would you? What was wrong with you? I I guess it wasn't on our recording. But earlier on, before we actually started recording this, I'd say we were talking about the weather and and it being overcast. And I said I grew up surrounded by clouds. So that mean it's got a lot of mileage in it yet. It's such a. It's like it's like, OK, Grandpa. All right, sit back in your chair. Hopefully we get a book of Boba Fett, too. Oh, my God, I just realized Book of Soar and Book of Boba Fett. Why? Why are these names? Book of Soar. Is that the next movie they called? They called one of the so movies viral from the Book of Soar. From the Book of Soar. Oh, that was the spiral title is spiral from the Book of Soar. True, yes. I don't know why. Oh, because the next one's probably just going to be called so 10. It's like, oh. No, no, it'll be saw X. They need to. Well, no, yes, but you'll be people call it so 10. I just they should do the subtitle root, right? That's like the best way to go. So annihilation, soul, retribution, sort of thing. Saw. Yeah. That's the subtitle. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what I saw again. Saw once more. Oh, why not? I don't know. You never saw this coming. Oh, maybe they'll just call it Teeter Totter instead of seesaw. I'm just says, whoo, whoo, which I can understand. Pretty cool little language. That's right. Excitement abounds. Love you, my fellow n words. Slice and dice forever. Oh, absolutely. Slice and dice is classic. That is during the old is old. It is both like season early season one slice and dice. Absolutely. But it's it's a good one. Wow, we are not my birthday, no less. Happy anniversary. Thank you very much. Mm hmm. Two hundred dollars for two hundred more e-faps. Congratulations. Love you all. Here's to the future. Oh, thanks very, very much. It's very kind of you. Oh, wow. It's funny as well, because if we actually get to like 18 years of e-fap, I mean, someone could literally have grown up from birth and on our content. Oh, you're right. Someone will someone out there will have grown up on our content. We'll be like those old shows that the old people talk about. I grew up on Sanford and Sonor. I grew up on Green Acres and that fapping show. I was there right in the beginning. I was there for a slice and dice. I saw that stanky room from that man. That's all the rune skeleton on the wall. I can tell that's all the dirty bed for our podcast and to get in my day podcast goes long as 12 hours, even 24. Now you wrap scallions with your YouTube shorts and your TikToks. Yeah, they run podcast at like five minutes. That's that's the normal now. And he's like, I don't know how you stand it. A tear just rolls down the peak. Well, I don't make much sense anymore. When one hell of a journey with EFAP, I first found out about it when Jay was still sin, sins. And you mentioned the episode cover infinity war. I just had to get my wisdom teeth removed and proceeded to spend the week binging EFAP episodes. Hey, hey, a beautiful week. So here we are again. Always such a play. But when you EFAP Jenny twice, I do. Got us in plenty of trouble. Oh, how we laughed and laughed. That Twitter wasn't left. There comes the dancing talking. Portal two is great. I have to say about that. But yes, quite an event. We haven't covered Jenny since. We're going to have to. We've got to keep it up. Because people might think we don't hate women and everything. Happy 200 with special guest, Hassan's chair. That's crazy to think we actually it was it was 150 150. We did like a sort of parody of that. Was that 150 that we did that? Yeah, that wasn't even 200. Wow, crazy. Ringy isn't a bird or a plague doctor. He's a tonberry. His nose is actually a detachable knife and the goo is fuel for his lamp. Congrats on 200. It's not the first time that Tonberry has been used to describe Friggled was the same color scheme. It's crazy. Like it is. It is pretty uncanny. Yeah. Well, that was from Final Fantasy, right? Yes, I think it was Fantasy. Yeah. Oh, I see the series. I have like zero familiarity. Yeah, likewise. Super duper. I mean, there's like fifth. Yeah, 15 plus or spin offs, right? Like tactics. At least like almost like get into uncharted just pretty straightforward. But Final Fantasy is someone. Which one do I start with? I imagine that I'll get all different answers. Um, I would imagine, right? Because people have all their. I hear that, like, I mean, seven is the really popular one, right? But I hear that six is really good. And then 13 onward was the one which is the one with Titus. I isn't 10, right? Is it the is he the guy who goes? Oh, is that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was some like that. I don't know. I remember watching a friend play that one and I was like, what the fuck is going on? The future of gaming, pal. With the future of gaming, what, 2001? Hell, yeah. The future is now old, man. Oh, dear. Happy 200, my favorite hate mongers of the toxic brood, creature of the long, the beast that ruins grandma's and the green goo connoisseur. And of course, the failed German. He's not even he's failing to be German. Damn, I wasn't meant to fail to be German. Wow. What a loser. But thank you very much. Happy 200 massive tisms may it be long and high rags. Hello, 200 episodes, massive. I love every frame of this beautiful podcast. Much love from Brazil. But I see. Hey, what's high in Portuguese? Hello. I don't think you're correct about that. Oh, so I can't have an opinion now. Well, I mean, you can have an opinion. I'm just saying that your opinion, mate. I don't even know if that's correct or not. I don't know. It's Ola. Ah, that sounds about right. Ola. No, Ola. Ola. We try Ola. Ola. Is that it? I'm close. You're doing the cool stuff thing. What are you doing? You're doing the cool thing. Why you put so much episode on the non-existent age? Ola. There you go. I think I nailed it. Well, I'm just sad. I'm just sad. It's Ola. You say Ola. It's Portuguese. Ola. Ola. Ola. Ola. Ola. Good Eve, but I'll say. And I'll say I'm from different worlds. Let's go and get robbed. Do you imagine if you had like a really nerdy friend that when you go on some kind of like holiday when you introduce yourself to anyone else from the country, he's like, I am from a different realm. Please. A different realm and you just laugh with the earth. Yeah. It's just like, oh my God. You just picture is always going to be like that random like hard-working guy who's just like, what are you talking about? He's like, I'm from the land of England. And they're like, I come from the States United. You have chocolate here. I come from the 13 colonies, except now there's 50. No, Fringy, you can finally say I come from a land down under. Well, I can finally say that was the first time that I was allowed to say that in all of all of my life. I didn't want to tell you, but we actually had laws against you saying that the mean ranks finally repealed just before this episode started. Well, that's very kind of you. We've been working real hard on this, but yeah. I don't know if it's no pro take you up on, but you know, I appreciate it. It's right there. Happy 200 episodes, Massives. I love every fray. Oh, wait a minute. I read this one already from Brazil, wouldn't it? Yeah. We demand Python and his degenerate storytelling. We are trying to set up an episode with him to come on and cover something or other. But yeah, awkward fleams of how things work out meant that I missed out on quite a few people, unfortunately, one of them emails, Discord, Twitter. You never know what you find out sometimes when you rely on one of them for contact with anybody is that they'll be like, why didn't you try the other one? It's like, oh, shit, that's the thing that you're on. And I didn't because everyone like, I think everybody's normal way to be contacted isn't based on where everyone else is. It's just your own sort of perception. So, you know, you might get someone who's like, why didn't you just contact me on flizzle, fladdle there? And you're like, I don't even know what that is. I don't know. It's just like, oh. And the funny thing is, you might be like, yeah, that's ridiculous and unreasonable. But sometimes when I'm like, oh, why don't you just contact me on Twitter or Discord, the person is like, I don't use either of them. And I'm like, all right, I guess a lot of people don't. Yeah. 1.2 billion, my rags for the best bib. Oh, hi. Hey. So long and thanks for all the faps and here's to 200 more, long live the toxic brood. Absolutely. You bet. After like two years, I finally caught up in time for 200. Thank all of you massives for more entertainment than I could ask for. What is your favorite word for each gender's privates? OK, question. I guess I don't feel particularly strongly. I find winky is funny. I was about to say. I don't like that word being used because I associate it with like a juvenile. Right, right. Because that's the kind of thing that it's called when you're like very, very young. It's a fucking hilarious word, I think. Because your parents are going to say, oh, yeah, that's your cock. Exactly. And much the same way that you cannot refer to like a juvenile females genitals as a pussy. That would be very, that'll get you on a list, you know? So. Yeah, I don't really have. I don't like front, but I don't like that. No, I don't like the front, but I don't like that. Willie is funny, but not sexually. A lot of these, a lot of the words can be funny. Like calling it your willy is funny, but it's not like sexy or arousing. If I was with someone, you know, I wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to pull out my willy. That's the one thing. Like it's funny. You should think of Simpsons. Yeah. But I wouldn't, you know, use it. I don't know. And even like penis isn't like sexy to say it's too clinical. Yeah. See this? Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have anything. You got your answer out of that. Fringy had a lot to contribute to the discussion. Oh, I think it glitched. I didn't hear Fringy say anything. So yeah. Fringy Fringy often comes to us with very strong opinions on the name of the nomenclature for genitals. This one just says first don't know. Thank you very much. Oh, well, that's awesome. Thanks very much. That's great. EFAP has made me feel great despair with some media, but enhanced my enjoyment of others by recognition of their quality. If I pay those causing me to suffer, then it seems only right that I support those creating good rat. Good rat, another meme of ages old. I'm glad that even that that's the thing though. We want you to appreciate the good stuff. Yeah, all this negative stuff, if it can make you appreciate the good things. And that's that's really good. That's a good way to walk walk away from it. Lord Longbong of Mugellington, Abbey, is there any good chance of a Kong fap of Peter Jackson's long Kong when there's less going on? It'll be a movie fap for the ages. Yes. Hello, Waxies. Rich is for the good boy. Oh, hello. Thank you very much. Every day we come closer to that happening in theory. In theory. And when it finally comes out, I just don't know what you're going to do, man. You have to must be some other film you'd be interested in this covering. Maybe on the next thing to ask us to watch every episode. The long Kong, it might just be attacked at some point. Who can say for sure? I can't rule it out. That's for sure. I sure hope that Rings of Power is fun cringe because it sure ain't going to be good. Oh, well, we have the answer for you now. Speaking from the future, we've seen the whole season that it's often been said that it's far worse than we ever thought it was going to be. It was worse than I thought it would be. Yeah, I would say that the first two episodes were about kind of what I was, you know, thinking it would sort of be. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Like a cheap imitation of the Lord of the Rings. And then they started doing things. And it got worse and worse and worse. And it found itself squarely in terrible territory. The whole like wasting time aspect of the first two episodes of just sort of mere things are happening. I thought they would definitely get to the point of characterizing everybody. It's like the, you know, just slow start. But it's like we managed to spend most of the season not characterizing. And yet relying on characterization at the same time. Totally, yeah. Absolutely. The characters are all like shit, pretty much. Yeah, that show happened. And let's just say I appreciate the two year, potentially three year gap because we're gonna need it. Well, the next season. That'll be nice. And I'll have to think about it for a while. Yeah. Long time to recharge. Well, there'll be plenty of good things out on the way. I wonder what people will say about it in the meantime, especially when we get to about a year down the road. And we're kind of at that halfway point in between seasons when people even say, you know. In the meantime, like. It's like cruel and merciless. You don't ask me. But also excessively frightful. So it wouldn't attack the weak. I was gonna say cruel. And then I was like, maybe that's way too strong. But thinking about it, I guess that is like, the mean is kind of just cruel for kids. Yeah, it's like like in love. If you're mean, that's a watered down version of cruel. It's a cruel thing to torture animals. It's not a mean thing. It surpasses that. Yeah. If you said it's mean to kick a dog, you'd be like, mean. That ain't enough. Yeah. It's like when Norm McDonald says, Hitler was a real jerk. The joke is that it's being under, it's under intense for what it is. Happy birthday to the objectively best podcast. Pardon me, I got a phone call. I have to grab this. No problem. Oh, the literal next thing I could read was high wags. Oh, well. Well, let's talk about God of War. Oh, well, you're probably in a better position to talk about it than I. Of course. But you've begun playing it. I have. Who knows where you are right now? You've likely finished it. Yeah, exactly. Who knows? What a what a fascinating franchise. But now all these bangers that the gold impact here is what Ragnarok's going to do. I wonder if they'll keep going after it or if they'll finally give up on wanting money. I guess the funny thing is like. So tempting to use it as a vehicle to just do whatever you want anyway. I think so. Yeah, it's a really strong high concept for a video game. But I wonder if they were to switch over to Egypt after this one, would they again switch up the mechanics? I wonder if they would switch up the mechanics or actually stick to this formula? I'd imagine they'd probably want to stick just because of. They're clearly invested in the storytelling thing more than they were. Yeah, that's all. I mean, this is the most successful right like God of War for his best selling one. Yeah, as far as I know, yeah, even though like I think with each one that came out, it was like that in its own record, right? I assume four sold better than three sold better than two sold better than one. I assume. I think and except three sold better than Ascension. Right. Ascension is like this weird thing that happened. I don't know. I don't have much more information on that one. It's like this weird thing that happened. Yeah, that's my extensive review. That's fair enough. By the way, I got two and a half hours. I need to go and do something at a five. So it's two thirty now. So I got this things pop up, I suppose. Very well. The next thing was high wags. Ah, hello. Also, hi, everyone else. Oh, hey. Hey, hey, he is to many more hours of long. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Many, many more hours of long. We will many long, more hours of long adventures. That's for sure. Unless something terrible happens to our civilization. I mean, if one thousand, well, as far as I know, happens. So hang in there. I mean, say that like, yes, terrible civilization, but also any one of us three, that would also suck if. You know, the lightning strikes have happened. But you're most likely to survive a lightning strike. Do you remember that shit where? Oh, fuck, was it like file this nation one where she looks out a window, there's a lightning strike and then another. I think rising say like, oh, another close shave with death, just referencing, like, hit you. Then then Jay's like, you can survive a lightning strike. Everyone's like getting triggered so hard, just like, shut the fuck up. You can survive. You can survive getting hit by a car. Yeah, it's like a. I know. Yes, it's an instant death all the time, guaranteed. You even referenced the gnarly scar. That's right, I did. I think the reason why there are so many passionate Sonic fans is because Sega is not protective of the IP at all. They just let fans do whatever they want with this character. I mean, I'm grateful they let us play with the fan games unlike Nintendo. That's just a good idea from what I gather, letting your fans sort of do whatever they want creatively. And yeah, more than the universe, Warhammer. It's just you just let people do like all that stuff. And if they create something incredible, might want to consider canonizing it. Like, yeah, like, I know that's the old screw, G evil businessman approach. But it's actually like, especially nowadays, like actually maybe take the stuff that the fans do. Well, great. And just fucking canonize. It's the ultimate honor for like a fan. If the company respectfully takes it and canonizes it, it's like, yeah, this this was this thing you made was so good and it's so well loved, we're legitimately canonizing it. And here's like, we're going to take it, essentially. Here's a whole bunch of money. It's now canon. And as much as like, because you could have a writer who's like, oh, I can't wait to make a fanfic. So I just love this world so much. And then you're like, no, and you stamp on a stamp on them. They can't. Create it, let alone sell it of any any way. And then they go, fine, I'm going to make my own story. And then they're like successful. And in some ways it's like, oh, well, that's kind of a good result. Isn't it? And it's like, well, it is for the individual. Actually, if they can get that off the ground. But ultimately, I feel like the company and the IP lost out a little there and they didn't need to. But I think it's out of a fear of it's the same fear that drives when when someone in your chat is like, I'm streaming right now and blah, blah, blah. And then the streamers like, fuck you and ban them. There was there was no worry there. You're fine. You weren't going to lose the IP or anything as in lose the people's interest in the primary thing. The main one I'm thinking about is the Metroid stuff. I didn't and they do like a full remake or whatever. And then Nintendo Square. Yeah, another Metroid to remake. And then about I think a year later, their own Metroid to remake came out. So yeah, I mean, yeah. But the guy I've been working on it for eight years. But but I think the happy story was that he got a job at Moon Studios, the Ori Studio because of that remake. So well, that's something. Yeah, because that's the thing that's been these examples of fan projects being a gateway for people to get professional work. Adblock pennants for the year. Thank you. Oh, thanks. That's a good way to think of it. I don't I don't. But don't blame you one little bit if you use Adblock just so we're all clear. If you use Adblock, man, I cannot get angry at you because I use it myself. I totally get it. That's not even the reason I would use. I just think it's fair. Ads are really annoying. And you too. That's why I started using them because they got too fucking annoying. And they're only getting more annoying as time goes on. Oh, sometimes I'm on my phone and I want to go to a website. Jesus Christ, some of these websites, especially mobile ones, I feel like half of the screen is ads. And I was I was listening to a good old chudge, a lot of chud logic average of something. I don't remember what it was. And yeah, he was talking about how he's he might. He's tempted might start doing the five minute unskippable ads that I was like, oh, my God. Surely you can get a sponsorship, right? That's way better than doing like those kinds of ads because with a sponsorship, you have a lot of control over the kind of thing you say and what you actually put out. And you know, especially if it's products you use, you've got a lot of leeway to make a really good, you know, a sponsorship, but saying like all the amount of money you get from a five minute ad and it's like, well, but it's a five minute ad. That sounds so painful. That is that a five minute ad to me says, I will be back in five minutes. I'm going to go use the room or place. Or I'd be using the loo or getting something to drink or just like stretching my legs or checking a bunch of other stuff. But you know, you guys know, if you watch those, these are really neat to watch, but on YouTube, they have a bunch of compilations of ads and commercials from like the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, you know, 90s and all that sort of thing. And one thing I noticed is that first off, ads from different eras can be really just interesting. They clearly were just done differently. Ads used to be long. There used to be a lot of long ads. When the three Stooges would have this thing on the best type of turtle wax for buffing your car. I was like, that was like, it's like a story or something. It was like a legitimately long ad. And now we just get more shorter ones. But these long ads, they took their time and they they're just made differently. 90s ads. Attention spans, right, is the big thing. Our attention spans are shit. So you gotta grab people quick. Partially, yeah. And also now we have way less channels back in the day. I guess there was less people competing for the ads. Well, that's, yeah, saturation. Yeah. And they seem to the construction of these ads, particularly when you get into the like 50s and 60s, they really tried to convince you, like they would, like, cause they had more time to do it. It seems like they were legitimately trying to convince you that our brand is best, because that the psychology of advertising as a science wasn't nearly as, do I say, refined as it is now, where, you know, that that's a huge part of marketing. Back then it seemed more, I guess, sincere and honest in a way, where they really, where they weren't, I don't think, it give them a look if you ever have a time, if you do get back to me on that. Because that's how I feel. When I think of old ads, I think of the smoking, the doctor says, good for you. That's like kind of what I think about when it comes to old ads. I think that it's always been, you want to convince somebody to, a snake or a salesman is an old term as well, you know? Like I don't know that anything, I think that what's changed is like, strictly that attention span. I think that's the main thing. I don't know if I think the ads are any more or less honest now. If anything, they're probably more honest because there's more rules and stuff about what you're counting on. I might not say necessarily honest, but it looked like they were trying to legitimately get you to buy a product through trying to convince you as you would convince, I guess. I think I kind of understand what you mean. I guess I'm just like, I don't know. I get the impression that nothing has really changed. It's just attention span. That's the impression I get. Like it's kind of like how movie trailers now have that five second like, oh, here's what's gonna happen in the trailer, right? Cause I don't want you to skip the ad. And they think that if they show you a bunch of crazy shit, that that's enough. Like you're competing in a world where, you know, people click off a video super duper quick and there's thoughts and tech talks and the kind of thing that's on Twitter. I don't know. The era we've gone through is like it went from custom. Was it something to on demand, right? Like we've moved from one format to another over the hour generation. Yeah. Cause streaming is on demand. You don't wait at all. But everything, like even down to like just eaten, you know, door dash stuff, like everything is just on demand. And it's unacceptable almost to our society now to not have your service be something we can just grab on a whim. Well, yeah. Cause television used to be, yeah, it's an 830. You're watching the show at like 830. That's when it's on. Whereas now it's like, what are you talking about? That's when it's on. It's on when I want it on. You know, it's, it's a case of everything. Yeah. And there's so many industries that are like reflecting that, right? Remember, remember the several attempts we've had at streaming games? How's that doing these days? Stadia, what do you mean? It worked out great. Do you remember who it was? What was the service? You know, they refunded everybody everything. You know, if you got a, if you got a Stadia and like games for it, Google is refunding everything. Wow. They're giving like everyone their money back. What can they have? The thing is so found the money. I think this is rags being sarcastic. Oh, no. No, it legitimately isn't because it's a service that requires Stadia as a product to be refunding in order to get your games. Wait, so you can have the Stadia and the games and the money back? Well, you'll have the Stadia, but it won't be able to do anything because Stadia is ending its support for the streaming and everything. So they're giving everyone their money back. That is my understanding, yes. I didn't know that that was what was happening. I was gonna say, what is the whole that Stadia has booned inside their wallet at this point then? Oh, apparently they are offering refunds for any Stadia purchases. Okay. So, I mean, you don't get to say it much, but good guy, Google. I guess so, yeah. Yeah. I guess I was difficult enough where I thought that that wouldn't be what happened. It's just like, it's half like services done. Okay, that's, yeah, that's not bad. Well, yeah, for a second there, I was like, my sarcasm detected that off. Maybe it says, it just, it speaks to my typical sarcasm. It's so refined that it is indistinguishable from earnestness. That's the British way. Everyone always gets confused. The British way. The British is sarcastic on. Good job. I've been here since your TLJ raise, rage, sorry, and watched all EFAPs as they came out. You guys helped me get through a challenging period of my life. Happy 200. Oh, I'm very glad we were able to help with that. And it was a wonderful 200. Absolutely. Oh, yeah, the more time goes on, the more I still get floored by how long this whole thing is going to go in, you know? I mean, to use the word again, but it was on a whim that this whole thing got started. And it's been going now longer than, I don't know what the average length or health of a podcast is, but we've got to be in the upper 5% at this point. Like... I think so. We've got an incredible audience that seems to be extremely, not just generous to help us out, but just the memes and the images that they make, the fucking videos, the animation, it's legitimately incredible. I've never seen this from anyone else. Podcasts often, for some reason my brain is opting for like the average health and length of a podcast can go for about a year, a lot of them do. And then it's like, well, this podcast kind of has completed its goal or whatever. Our one is... I don't know, just keeps going. Just keeps talking about stuff. The goal never ran, yeah. We'll never get to the goal. I guess there is an infinite game element the goal of EFAP, right? Like, when is the objective achieved? You know? What is that? Even when media is old, so even when media would, if it was old and fantastic, we'd still want to talk about it. Talk about why it's good. Yeah. That's the thing, it never ends. We'd want to conserve that, you know, quality. Maybe time. This is why this is good. This is why this is good. That's why I never worry that we'll come in, we'll turn into like one of those ones. I want to say Collider. I don't know if I'm being unfair, you know, like the Nude Crew podcast? Yeah. We'll never be like that, because even if everything was amazing and people were like, wow, you're just shills for everything. It's like, yeah, but that's still not how, we don't talk about it that way. We don't go, oh my God, it was so good when the third round. We still want to be like, so this represents his overall journey through blah, blah, blah, and then blah, blah. Not trying to come across it with somehow intellectual. I mean literally that we want to dig in really, really far, deep. Again, the weed dry comes to mind, but we try and spice it up. All at the same time being like, let's dive in boys, both good and bad, of which we've managed to pull off. Remember our cane? That was fun. That's right, it was. There are reasons why we like the things we do and we can speak to that. I like to think that we are more than capable of doing so, yes. Though the world seems to opt for a preference of negative coverage, what everyone wants to know. That's just the thing with me, it's always just gonna be whichever I'm more passionate about at the time. Like what would you rather cover? Rings of power season two or arcane season two? It's like easy to me, not even close. It's like, yes, but what about the fun of ripping apart rings of power? It's like, yeah, but it's also really annoying and long eight hours of rings of power. Jesus Christ, imagine. It's good to get both though. I like having that mix of both, appreciating the good, criticizing the bad. Maybe they'll come out at the same time next time. Arcane season two rings of power. Oh God, that might, could that legitimately happen? That might happen. Just line up. That could actually happen, wow. What a world. Thanks for EFAP guys, your analysis of writing has taught me a lot about writing in general, I guess. If I was any good at it, I might have tried to use some of those lessons to write a book. Thanks for 200 fun episodes, also high rags. Oh, thanks very much, and hello to you. And just because you're not good at writing now, that doesn't mean you can't be good. It's a skill like many things. Remember, there's always day one for writing a book. Thought that day to day if you want. All right, notes. I don't know how does one get started writing a book, bringing what's the idea there? Do you go on that one? Probably. I think that you have a lot of options for the way that you could start a book. There's plenty of perspectives on where to begin, whether it's starting with characters or a theme or some high concept. And of course, once you even have a sense of the idea that you have, whether to just jump straight into a first draft or outline, and even if you wanna outline, do you wanna go in-depth or broad? I think it's just kind of the nature of creating anything as you have to just get started and then you'll figure it out as you go. You'll figure out a way to do it. And maybe you won't, but you'll still keep pushing through and working anyway. The important part is to start. That's like the first step. You know, well begun is half done. Yeah. I think you should start with the middle of the second act, mainly just characterizing someone in the background. At least to start. Hmm. It's so unconventional. It'll work, right? That's it. First ever super chat. Been watching since around the Joker arc. Felt like it was about time to send something for all the fun times you guys provided. Happy 200th, also high rags. Hello. Thank you very much. Absolutely. 200 expletive episodes. You can just say fucking before we spell that in the- Forking. Forking episodes. Who'da thought? Here's to many more fantastic faps. Favorite kinds of faps are fantastic. I've decided to test my writing skills by making a script for a comic book that I've always wanted to make. I chose to create a reimagining of Sonic the Hedgehog because I wanted to see how I can handle the most basic characters I can think of and maybe fix some problems I've always had with the series. That's a good starting point, don't you think? Cool. Yeah, potentially. I think fan fiction is a- Using something as a- Go ahead. I was just gonna say that's a good baseline because a lot of stuff is taken care. You can do more so be tweaking, but it's still more so. You still have to build your own stuff a lot of the time, even with a fanfic, so. Yeah. It's like safety wheels to some extent. Yeah, kind of. It's a really great way to get you into it, especially because you can be working within, you know, if you respect the characters in that world, and you wanna keep their personalities and things intact, then writing, you know, keeping them consistent is its own writing challenge that you can do, putting those characters into your own scenarios or places or relationships or whatever. Congratulations, guys. Long live EFAP. Oh, yeah, long has lived EFAP. That's the plan. And long shall live. So far, so good. Congrats on 200 episodes, you beautiful masses. And to everyone, thank you for all the time and effort you put in. It's greatly appreciated. On to 300. On to 300. We're well on our way. Yeah, especially with the machine getting out of episodes lately. All the wonderful content the world has released for us. I legit get a sense of elation knowing that we're done with She-Hulk. Like, thank fuck. Yeah, I do really like that. I could see something like, really, the bat show is now the one. It's like, I thought Loki and it's just like, no, you don't understand. Like, they find different ways. They always find different ways of doing it. Mm-hmm. Parable. Let me ask you this. Were you more relieved that She-Hulk or Rings of Power was over? Rings of Power, because it's longer. It's longer. I, like, my head thinks of, like, slog and swamp when we get to Rings of Power. She-Hulk is like a concentrated shotgun blast of silly and it ends quickly. I think I was more relieved when She-Hulk was done. Um, I'm not sure if I can quite think of why, but I was more glad that we didn't have to cover She-Hulk than I was more glad we didn't have to cover Rings of Power. I actually, oh yeah, which one? I don't know. I'm not sure which one was, uh... Yeah, I can't quite really put it into a why right now, but... Well, I know. Massive congrats, you massive massives. Thank you. Thank you very much. It all helped make this possible. Hello, EFAP crew. I hope you guys get enough sleep. As someone who sleeps, like, sometimes like three hours, it's a horrible experience. Oh yeah, sleep's great. Yeah, it sleeps. Yeah, there's, there were, I had one of those moments a couple nights ago where you were just, you got to the end of the day and you were just so ready to lie down and sleep and then, oh, when you finally do. That's one of the best experiences in life, as far as I could say, where you're incredibly tired and then you go to sleep very satisfied. Yeah. I'm not good at writing dialogue. All my characters keep talking the same, give too much exposition, or they say exactly how they feel. Do you have any writing advice on this? Try to, maybe you should write in the sense that characters don't necessarily want everyone else to know how they feel, but they still feel a certain way and that will show through in their dialogue and how they interact with people. You don't want to like, if you have that issue of characters being too blunt about everything, then say, all right, maybe I should treat characters as if they wanna guard their intentions or their emotional states a bit closer and that might even out a bit, but maybe pay a lot of attention, yeah. I guess we were to distill it to, let's say that you have one scene. If you can enter into that scene with a clear understanding of what the objectives of each character is in that scene, that's probably gonna help instantly. So if you know that one character specifically wants to get certain, let's say it's a real simple one. You've got, I don't know, Bill and Bob. Bill wants to get information out of Bob. Bob would rather not spill that information. So like already you would imagine that Bill, I think I'm mixing them up. Bill was the first one. I should have given them different names. The guy who wants information. You should have picked simpler names than Bill and Bob. Yeah, Bill and Persephone. So you can possibly mix them up. But you would imagine in that instance, one character is going to be more, one character is going to just be more guarded and maybe give more like curt responses, short, evasive, and that should come through in the dialogue. Meanwhile, the other character wants to keep the conversation going and throughout it, he might want to find new ways of getting that information. Maybe at first he wants to be more subtle, but then as he gets more desperate, he's gonna start being more overt. Like that would be an example, I guess. Like if you know what the characters want in a scene, that might be able to help clarify what kind of dialogue to write for them. That's one of many ideas. Part of an issue a lot of people are gonna have when writing is they have those two characters. You know exactly what you want the scene to end as. So for example, it's a realization because one of them gives away too much information. Something like that. It'll be like, how do I get that to that point? Cause that's all I want, but I need them to sound like they're actually getting there reasonably. And a little exercise you might be able to do not to copy down the dialogue one to one, but to at least see how it might turn out is grab two people. Say for example, right now I'm like fringing right, you're playing, well you could just use your own names. Who fucking cares? I'd be like a fringing you stolen money out of Rags of Bank account and you're trying to hide that fact even though you've bought a new car which you shouldn't have been able to and Rags is gradually figuring that out because he sees the car and he's quite an aggressive type of person and he feels backstabbed potentially. So he's gonna try and dig it out of you and you've got to come up with something to counter the idea. But then I'll drop something in the middle of you guys actually trying to play out that conversation that gives it away fully like some kind of event maybe in the story just to see how you can, if you've got two people who are very invested and trying to come across as those characters see what they come up with because they'll be a completely new minds but they're still trying to account for like that probably with different people see what kind of thing. And then of course, yeah, write down anything then look at it. This is something that seems to work for me with ice grips as well is what I've written it and I don't like it. If I come back later and read it again I'm like, oh, what's wrong here is this, this, this the rest of it's fine, then change it then maybe come back again later and I'm like, looks, yeah, looks fine to me. That's the sort of thing. But yeah, hopefully all of those can lead you to some level of progress in some way. Who knows? So I guess think about the stories that you like and why those characters seem like different people strictly from their dialogue. I mean, even look at a screenplay, right? Like if the actors themselves are bringing so much to it that it kind of makes it difficult for you to ascertain that we're going to script a lot of the characters sound different. Yeah, so good luck. Don't give up. And hey, better to have dialogue that's a little clunky and expositional than no dialogue at all. We'll get there. Thoughts on bringing on Corbis on a stream? Who'd add? Let me take a look. Corbis. You sound like a gamer. 38,000 subs. Uh, there's only seven videos. I don't know any, I don't know about this. Yeah, Fred, I'm not familiar. Yeah. Just checking in to say I love you guys. 200 Canadian pennies for 200 episodes. Very much. Oh, all right. I'll be a bigger payout next time around. Hell yeah. We'll get 300 Canadian pennies. Well, 250, right? Oh, yeah, I suppose that's right. Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. Happy 200. You're massive. Very much. Thank you, absolutely. Happy 200. I don't know if you guys have expressed your opinions on Breath of the Wild before, but how do you feel about it? And if you're excited for the sequel, high rags. Hello. I am never familiar with the Wild. Fringy, this is all you. I really like it. And I'm looking forward to the new one. You even like the way that weapons degrade. Is that something you like? No, I don't like that. That's what I thought. I thought I was very afraid of that. That's all I know about it. It's like the really big old game. Lots of fun puzzles. You can complete it early or defeat Ganon early, but then also there's just weapon degradation that everyone hates. Yeah. I feel like there are better ways to incentivize people to use different weapons in fact, not only do I feel like that's the case. This is true. There's other ways of doing it. I've never seen such weaponized autism for an intro before. And somehow it enthralled me more than anything. Disney Marvel released in the past two years to the all the crazy, awesome intro videos that everyone ends up making. That was just mind boggling. Legitimately incredible. I can't even begin to understand how I make that kind of thing. It's nuts. Nuts. Greetings, Lord Longbone of Mublington Abbey. Have you given any more thought to a mega-fap? That's right. I want you to do an e-fap movies on Mega Mind. Not some silly monkey movie. It would be a movie for the ages. Happy 200 at my rags. Hello. Maybe we could go to- I've never seen Mega Mind. Oh, wow. We could do some kind of arc for- Who made Mega Mind? Dreamworks? Dreamworks, right? Yeah, it's Dreamworks. Maybe we can throw it in with Shrek. Yes, Shrek arc. Shark. You need to do the Shrek arc. That'd be a lot of movies if we were doing the full Dreamworks arc. Yeah, we gotta be careful with that. Maybe we have to do a poll and see what doesn't make it, what gets culled from the list. But I know Shrek would make it. Everyone would vote Shrek is love, Shrek is life, sort of. Shrek is love, Shrek is life. We have watched all of them, including Shrek the third. Absolutely, that is a part of the Shrek experience. I mean, I guess that's part of the if that movie's experience, right? The bad ones too. Absolutely, yes. The bad ones is entirely bad ones. Was it because people are still guessing what we've done for Halloween and some people were like, maybe it was Friday the 13th and I'm like, dude, I really do wanna do Friday the 13th because of how insane those get. There are many, many options for what we could watch. So, hey, one day you'll know if your guess is correct. No doubt some of you are already correct and some of you are incorrect. Was it Halloween? Was it the nightmare on Elm Street? Was it sore? I thought it saw several guesses that it was sore. I don't think, I think so was mentioned as well in the final destination ones. Maybe. Was it paranormal activity? Oh, there's not that many of those ones. Yeah. How many are there? Is it four? I think there's like four or five, I think. Four or five. Are there any like paranormal activity cologne and then other thing and it's like- I think so, I think so, yeah. But nothing quite like, yeah. I wonder how good those would make in terms of, you know, like commentary fodder. Yeah, I think in YMS or someone pointed out like I'm not sure those would work because we could talk about them but I don't think I'm gonna be drawing much out of it. That would be a short call. Cloverfield. Oh yeah, the three Cloverfield movies that there are. Exactly. Oh, God. Ah, yeah. Entirely disparate genres and tones. Exactly, yeah. Well, because one of them wasn't even a Cloverfield movie, right? That was later on. And that was JJ Abrams' idea, right? How could I make this more like Cloverfield? I don't know. I think he bought it. I think he bought the, he, it was the something paradox. Oh, right. I thought you thought, because 10 Cloverfield Lane had the same thing. It was, it was its own movie and then they made it a Cloverfield movie. Yeah, then I heard that he, it was like the Netflix thing. So out of the Cloverfield films, yeah, the 10, yeah, the Cloverfield Paradox was like its own science fiction film and it's a Cloverfield movie. That's another movie that could have been cool and it fucking sucked. Didn't we watch that? That's a lot of movies that could have been cool and sucked. That's one of my, like, I gaslit myself into thinking something. I know I watched it, but who did I watch it with? And I could have sworn you were there. Maybe Jay. And it was absolutely bizarre. It's an awful movie. Yeah, I was so excited to get a cool, creepy science fiction story and it just is what the fuck is this? What are we doing? What are we gonna say? What's going on? It's a perfect E-Fat Movies movie, so. We're up to like 41 of those now, E-Fat Movies. Yeah. Which, for anybody who enjoys those, if they've seen one and then they find out there's 40 of these, like, hell yeah. Oh my God, that's crazy. Lots of them are double bills too. Or triple bills in the case of Cruella. Yeah. You need to do more of them. The Disney Old versus New thing. Yeah, well, I mean, I guess Little Mermaid's next year, right? That seems like a lot of beauty in the beast. And then there's a lot of remakes now. And it's, I think, I think we're watching at the same point. Oh, do we? Yep, do we have to? No, I don't like it. We have to watch The Lion King. To watch Alice in Wonderland and then Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland and then the sequel to Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland. Alice strikes back. Oh, and then it would be the same with Sleeping Beauty and then Maleficent and then the sequel to Maleficent. Well, do we have to? Is that how it works? Because with Maleficent, that's like its own little thing that just involves that character. No, that counts. That counts. I thought it was a read. It doesn't tell the pretty much the same story, but it's a lot more of Maleficent's side of things. I thought it was like a prequel to how she became evil or something. We're sure that like then they made another one, right? And also, isn't she kind of like the protagonist of those films? Like proper, like not even a villain perspective. It's kind of like Cruella, where she's like kind of a guy. I get what Rex is saying, though, like in the same vein that we wouldn't watch, I don't know, a Batman cartoon and then Joker as a adaptation. We watched 101 Dalmatians and then we watched Cruella. I consider those exactly the same. Let's not lock ourselves into watching some of these things. I never said that we had to. I'm just saying that if we had to do it, this is what it would look like is having to watch. Who cares? Yeah, maybe. And I would want to take it easy. No, I'm actually fine with committing to doing all, but not like everyone per year at most. These things really are paid for. Crying with us while we watch Disney classics. Just get just watching the original 101 Dalmatians. That was really cute and cool. That was charming. Yeah, even in the 90s, one was. Yeah, the 90s. I is such a dumb fucking era for movies. Yeah. And a great. Well, I guess it's because because 101 Dalmatians was kind of quaint and that it's revisiting an era of Disney that's like is quite dissimilar to what like Renaissance era was. Like there was a certain vibe that film had that isn't as present in like the newer films. So it's kind of neat. Whereas, I guess, in the case of like watching Beauty and the Beast, it's like, oh, so what's like this excellent movie and then watch this shit movie? You know, I guess, yeah, that's all. Milan was was a very it probably was the most stark of them. There was Milan. Well, Lion King, I think is I think the thing that comes through is kind of like these remakes. The remakes are like pretty similar, as in they'll have identical lines of dialogue, even. But then they just make these changes. It's like, oh, that's worse. That's everything about it is what you just every change that you make. Because I know Aladdin, you know, how like at the end of Aladdin, the whole thing is that Aladdin tricks Jafar basically into trapping himself. He's like, yeah, you're not as powerful as the genie. And then he's like, yeah, I want to be at all powerful genie. And even even genie's like, yeah, thanks. Thanks, Aladdin. Good job, buddy. Like you ruined everything. And then it very quickly is like, yeah, you got what you wanted. You know, like you want to be a genie. You got it and everything that goes with it. And then everything goes with it. It's just over straight away. Like in the new film, they draw it out way more. They draw it out so much more. First of all, they kind of give the wind to genie rather than Aladdin. They're like, oh, yeah, great area. You can use that to basically like it's way better that Jafar actually wishes to be a genie. It's like, good job, you idiot. Like you actually doomed yourself. Like you did it. You did it because you were so arrogant. Whereas in like the new one, it's kind of like, no, you kind of like totally did screw him over here. You really did trick him. Like in a way that seems a bit, hmm. And then the fact that they have to explain it very clearly. It's like, ah, yeah, genie without a master goes in their lamp. It's like, why did you? I got it. I got it. All right. Like I got it. Yeah, I'm not actually a moron. You have to explain it. And then it gets really drawn out. And it's like really dramatic as well. Whereas in like Aladdin, it's really quick. It's like it's there and it's over. Like you want like, yeah, you're realizing it almost alongside Jafar. Like, oh, shit, pretty much. And then it's like there's a cool juxtaposition where like it's got this swelling music because he's like phenomenal cosmic power. And as soon as he gets sucked into the lamp, it just cuts to silence. He's like, it's great. Whereas in the fucking remake, it's really dramatic. It's like, ah, you can't you pulled the exact same things and you didn't even realize that the component pieces are all different and don't work as well. Yeah. And how are you so bad at copying? As for them being similar, I totally get what you're saying, but the Mulan one is like, wow, you fucked with this story, didn't you? Why don't you get rid of? I can't I can't believe I've forgotten. Make it more realistic. That's what they said. Why would you get rid of him? No, wait. Yeah, he was so hilarious. Not Shifu. Shifu's king for copyright, right? Yeah, it was. I might forget. Ah, like, I can't remember his name. Don't nobody check it. All three of our brains, we can do this. I was about to check. But I am. I'm trying to think of other characters. Mushu, Mushu, that's it. Yeah, Mushu. Why would you get rid of Mushu? Why would you do that? Dumbass. Why would you do that? We got rid of Mushu to make it more realistic. And we added some cheese. I do like that. And when we rewatched it, it's hilarious. He's an amazing character. That's kind of funny, right? That's that's not realistic enough. Meanwhile, Little Mermaid's going to have a presumed, a photo realistic Sebastian. It looks horrifying. It's going to look terrible. Joe, we didn't even see the Pinocchio thing. We were. And that's the one that came out of the gate and everyone hated it. That one few us. But it isn't funny, by the way, because like Disney's theme song is from Pinocchio. And like Pinocchio is a pretty important film in terms of Disney. It's like, ah, yes, straight to Disney Plus. Yeah. All right. Just throw it out there. Yeah, I guess Disney Plus is that big or they weren't that confident. I don't know. It's hard to tell with your decisions. A matter of that you need stuff on Disney Plus to like to the platform is really important to keep propping it up. So I guess you just throw Pinocchio onto it. And that's because I mean, it's like in the mix of these remakes, some of them are just going straight to it was Lady and the Tramp went straight to Disney Plus. I think they're making a Peter Pan reboot like remake as well that's going to Disney Plus. It's just you need stuff on that to bolster it. I guess I just find it funny right that like Pinocchio just sort of gets thrown out. There are nobody cares when it's like that important. When's Bambi? When's Bambi going to be remade? They already did Dumbo. Snow White's coming soon as well. Did do Dumbo. A lot of see a lot. You're you're saying some of these like Lady and the Tramp and Dumbo. And like, oh, yeah, that's right. They made that and instantly faded into obscurity. And these are like Robertson Meccas did Pinocchio. Tim Burton did Dumbo. Like there's not, you know, like even it feels like with the live action remakes, it's the same thing as what happens with the Marvel films. Like you can bring in whoever, but ultimately what you're going to be churning out is like sludge. Because like I ripped it on a ladder and what's that? I think Kenneth Branagh did like Cinderella. And it's like, where does any of this come through? Like any of this sort of director's vision? How much can they really have when like, especially with some of these now? Like I'm pretty sure Cinderella deviates like a bit more from the original. Like it doesn't have as many pulled directly lines of dialogue. But like now they're just basically doing like as close to one to one as you can get. Kenneth Branagh, I'm pretty sure he felt like the Barrow movies were like really important. And really like, I think he was a big fan of Barrow. He was like taking them very seriously. Imagine it all being ruined by cannibal. Well, yeah, because death on the Nile, like nobody cared. Nobody gave a shit about that one. I did up watching it. It was fine. Fine, all right. What about you watch Murder on the Orient Express, right? And you said you thought that one was fine, too? They're all, yeah, they're all these normal movies. I've only seen the old murder on the Orient Express. Yeah, I didn't see his. It's fucking star studded, though. That was, well, yeah, it feels like the same thing. Actually, yeah, where they're just like lots of famous people, I guess because it's it'll be wrong about this, but it's not too much of a commitment because it's also just standing, sitting, speaking in like a limited setting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I wonder how long it is for the train cars. Dress them up. Yeah, well, I mean, that's Murder on the Orient Express is like a bottle episode. Well, bottle episode. I mean, it's a poro story, essentially. So a lot of them I mean, were there was the poro show. Yeah, trap them all in a room and go, I'm going to figure this out. That's right. It was you. And they go, he's like, no, I'm just doing the part where I shock you. You're not the actual killer. That's not you. It was just a fight for a cop down. It was just if I do not. I did not pull pranks. Don't call him. Don't say he's French. I'm going to do it. They're the French word. Don't do it. Don't do it. There we go. All right, anyway, next one. Well done, sons. Happy two hundredth. Hello. Barbara. It is it as fun if Jay comes pre-kicked? Yeah, I'm afraid Jay was not able to make it for that. Unfortunate. But a lot of final destination happenings with the days. Why that? We still got this point. Some final destination fun times to come. Right. But by the time this is out, no, we don't. The Ark complete. Then people who believe that like, wow, they've done this before and you were like, oh, oh, oh, oh. President evil. Now, those movies are perfect. E fat movies. The point we still got to see Monster Hunter and years from now, we might just rewatch them. Honestly, you probably could. Because some of those I know I've seen before, you know, before we watched them, but I just couldn't remember like anything that was going to happen. Two hundred pennies for all your thoughts. Also, hey, rags. Hello. Two hundred pennies is not enough to pay for all of my thoughts. I appreciate your generosity, but that exchange is not. I don't think they understand that it's going to take a while for you to get out all your thoughts. Yeah, it will be a lot of time as well. And you even survive. No, we don't need to. Because every last because every thought you provide will then probably generate more thoughts on it. Exactly. Help them. First anniversary, let the long begin. Also, hi rags. Hello. Wings quote of the day. You ever lose an animal as a little kid and you spend the next week or so not having that animal around? That's what I feel when I eat without a soda. It's sad that I believe that's truly how he feels, especially when it's comfort food. I need my wife to help me get through that. What? What? It's comfort food and I need my wife to get me through that. So if he's having comfort food and he's not able to get a soda, he'll experience the same kind of loss as you would losing a pet. And he needs his wife to help him with that. Oh, hey. He needs therapy in something. Someone's got it. You need to stop eating and drinking terrible things all the time. You just stop pouring calories into your poor, poor body. Save a lot of money that way. Yeah, yeah. Happy birthday, Moodle's dad. Moodle's dad. Beef at Moodle's dad. Happy 200 and for another 200 more. Howdy, ragu, fringus, mubchly and Moodle to 26 hours. Don, help us. Yeah, I guess the totality of it does end up going to like 25 at least because we have two half hour breaks. We will find a way to include them in future. I'm sure of it. They expand the stupid streaming cap from 11 and a bit hours. Then I can just play the video on the stream. You batwamin or whatever else. Still going because that's the only time the rags are free or allowed to go to toilet. They can't do it in between my law. You know, that's the reality. That's the sacrifices you got. Exactly. Bonus, wife comes to him crying, scared that a cancer might be back. Does grow up and deal with it. Is that it actually happened? Because even sometimes even I'm like, would Wigs really Wigs? Come on, man. Yeah, no, I know the automobile thing, but like. I'll never not be funny. All the real rags. I mean, real rags makes it funny. Rags, have you received your monthly thrust yet? I don't think so. I don't think that was the thing that ever really happened. Or maybe I misunderstood. I'm not sure how to get my monthly thrusts elsewhere. Happy 200 years, favorite video game song with lyrics. And I don't mean Latin chanting. I want something like DK Rapp or Philistine. Well, favorite song. I'd include the portal songs that was referenced earlier. I really liked calling to the night from Metal Gear Solid. I cannot remember which one it was, but calling to the night was really good. Also, Snake Eater is pretty darn good. I don't know much about Metal Gear Solid, but they got some fucking banger tunes in that. Say goodbye to yesterday. Really good. Let me see that have lyrics in them. OK, Rising's got a lot of co songs. Oh, wow, that have lyrics in them. Yeah, I know. That's tough, because generally you don't get those in, you know, soundtracks for games because you're playing a game and you don't want to have lyrics often happening. You want to Red Dead Redemption 2 has got a lot of great tracks that have lyrics in them. They're not they're not lyrics, but there are some excellent vocals. Is it Jesper Kidd or Kyde? Jesper Kidd, I think, is how you pronounce it. I like the Assassin's Creed. Assassin's Creed, yeah. Two is exactly the one that I was thinking of. There's some great shit in Assassin's Creed, too. That one always stood out to me as having incredible music. He's doing the he's doing the music for Dark Tide. And the music in that so far has been pretty pretty banger. He's pretty great. He's very good. Yeah. That's just what comes to mind, though, for songs that have actual lyrics in them. I'd have to think more on it, otherwise. You guys do for entertainment what Predator Hunters do for children. Thank you for keeping media safe and fighting back against the morons and making me laugh quite frequently. Congrats on 200 episodes. Oh, thank you very much. Thank you. My first live eFap. I started catching up after eFap 100. And three days ago, I finally watched every video on Mula. Thank you all so much for the amazing memes, Bilbo. That helped me get through the university or through university with a Bachelor's of Honours. Thank you all so much. I rags. Hello. Congratulations. All right. Yeah, I mean, every video on Mula, that has no small feet. A lot of hours. That is legitimately impressive to the point where I might not believe you. It is going to get hotter and hotter. What someone says, like, I'm just starting up. It's like you've got the five years. This is so joke at this point. Five years plus everything that we make and put out as you watch that. Yeah, we have some movies and everything, too. Yeah, that's right. Hello to all eFap minus J. Wow. Well, it'll be. Hello, Massives. Congrats on 200 eFaps. And here is to many more faps into the infinite. Ales of the Toxic Brood. Also, Mula, your MOM video was excellent. Truly a cataclysm of entertainment. Yes, it was. Definitely did be doing that. That 200. We did do it. Which goal? And D'Amor to come, I demand. Congratulations on four years, you Massives. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks for making it all happen. Thanks for the laughs and everything. Happy 200. Thank you. Absolutely. It was a good 200. There's a town in England called Wangford. Nice. Oh, we do so love to ford the wangs. Well, congrats on 200 anniversary. Recommending great games. Jessica O'Neill's hard news. Being a dick or element trainer, a preaker trainer, our red string, good girl gone bad, succulents and others. These real, they sound like I've never heard of any of these like I've never heard of them either. All righty. Happy fap aversory. Thank you very much. Absolutely. Thanks. EFAP Tradition, annual Jim Stirling video and supermassive games on Halloween. Congrats on the zoo, Mola, Rags and Fringy. Grats on the zoo. Did we get a zoo? Well, the zoo was it was not my labors that brought the zoo into fruition. We bought a zoo and we met Damon. And I was this at a time. We were all animals at one point. Our icons. Was that then, Mola? Were you like a walrus or something or a stote? Right? I had a stote one. Yeah, you had a stote. Yeah, we were we were a right proper zoo. We were a we were really quite a we were an arc bound gaggle of critters. Starts to like like are they like weasels or otters? Yeah, yeah. A zoo or is it? They are. I was wondering, yeah, that part of our rights and a part of the family that includes badges and weasels, their mustelids, right? Carrots. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it must. Mustard mustard lids. They are really cool. Lips up animals like that. They're all great. Otters, badges, they're fantastic. I really like them. They're cool critters. Um, double bonus. You guys worry about happiness too much. I'm not trying to be happy. I'm trying to be fiscally stable. Happiness is not a perpetual state of mind. Happiness is a feeling. Oh, my God. You get happy when you get a piece of cake. You get happy when you get an ice cold Coca Cola. You don't live in an eternal world of bliss. It's just not how it works. What is this? What was this in relation to this? This is a Wings quote, apparently. So that's hilariously backwards. He's like, you don't need to worry about happiness. You need to worry about money. I guess it's like so much interest. Oh, God, I guess it's like a very narrow perspective, like, I guess I'm happy to strictly means like, yeah, when you eat food that you like, like, I don't know. I mean, why do you care about money? You care about money to sustain like your lifestyle, which you believe makes you happy. Like that's in all roads leads to happiness or at least at the very least, like, contentment or something along those lines. Like what could best be described as some kind of positive feeling? That's like what all roads leads. Is he actually like trying to say that that's not? Can you read that quote again? I need to hear it. I need to give it to me and just erased it. Very. Oh, he basically said you you don't have to worry about happiness. You have to worry about money. I mean, that's to what end to what end are you trying to continue? To the end of happy, I can get half of it. He said you guys worry about happiness too much. I'm not trying to be happy. I'm trying to be fiscally stable. Happiness is not a perpetual state of mind. Happiness is just a feeling. Well, sure. But like being fiscally stable can make you happy. Like, because you don't understand that. Also, you you need to have recreation. You need to have moments where you feel happy and motivated. Because if you don't have those moments, he has to play games he hates. He hates playing Call of Duty. He rather play Rainbow Six. So like, he doesn't know how that feels. I guess it's just funny, right? Because the perspective that he presents is like, I feel like you're missing so many components. Like, I don't know why he said that. Wings is is one of those people that you're really glad seems to be a shitty person so that when you make fun of them and mock their existence, it doesn't feel bad. Oh, I don't know. It's just like he doesn't help himself, that's for sure. Goddamn, do we always have to start with this? This. Oh, fat fuck. They spelt it with P.H.'s. It's OK that we had an interesting conversation about difficulty. We'll talk about video games for a whole bunch. You guys like it when we talk about video games? Yeah. What's going on? Everyone like that. Video games. I like video games. 200 fantastically flamboyantly fabulous Fappenings, happy 200 lads. Here's to many more. Thank you. Thank you very much. Absolutely. Literally thought this dude's voice was rags doing a crap British accent. Oh, wow. First off, my British impressions are impeccable. You would never be able to tell. I could have introduced you day one. I could have started with an accent from the Britain. And you would have just bought it the whole time. Yeah. Well, maybe. Definitely, definitely. No question. Can one of you invade Metalsforge and force him to watch Zulu? That film is fucking fantastic. I mean, if I would ask him. I'm watching Zulu again. I haven't seen it in ages. Ask him to do a for John Zulu rags. He'll be. Really? I wouldn't mind seeing it. Maybe. I don't know. We see something after we catch up on our things. No, Mauler, not Jim Sterling. Please kick. Very not. No, I can't. Kicking would be difficult. There's just too much to say. Thanks, Gratz. Good job. Keep it the good work. You're helping TV is objectively better due to your work. Also, hi rags. Hello. Oh, I said T.Y. is objectively better, actually. Do they mean Y.T.U. Tube or do they mean Tube? The way if we're improving anything. That's good news. Normal. Happy 200 to you massives. Also, Mauler, when can we expect to see the supercut of all the ways you pronounced Benelict, my compass in your M.O.M. video? I think someone's already made that. Someone did that in the comments, I think. Well, there's one in the YouTube video form as well. You can do the company. Oh, wow. I had to be. That was a whole thing I had to sort out because it's difficult to find ones that are not only unique, but. Well, some of them aren't unique because I like Bulbasaur, but it's one of them preferences. What can you do? I think my default is Bindi Dick Humperdink. I was always kind of my. Oh, that was fucking hilarious. I was talking on real BBC about this. Someone shared something in the discord of like they they stop watching the video because of the racism. And then I was like, OK, what's the racism like? I'm curious. What is it? Here we go. Because I genuinely don't know. I was like, what would be the reference? And they were like, when it came to Marika Chavez, the actress playing her, he like deliberately mispronounces her name just because he's like playing up the stereotype of, you know, a person from the West. Can't understand names or whatever. And then the person was like, wait, so you think he's racist because he like deliberately mispronounced the person's name and they this person isn't from the West, right? Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't do it with anybody from like the West. Do you ever see a mispronounce of white male's character name? It's just like, how far did you make it into this video? I'll see. They were like, oh, you know, it's just that box. I do the mispronouncing thing for her name, I think in the first like two minutes. And then I say her name properly throughout the whole video. Do you know whose name I don't say properly throughout pretty much the whole video? It's like, the main one, the main guy. I thought it was bizarre. I was like, oh, if anything, you probably say I hate white people, right? Well, I hate Benedict Cumberbatch, which I don't really hate my people, because, yeah, if you hate him, you hate white people, obviously. He's a cool fun man, and I wish he was in more things that good. I do, too. It's crazy how much tolerable Jim was before he went mentally insense and started having wee wee problems like Jay. Wow, just rude. Take both of them. Mollye gay high rags. Hello, Jim Stirling was always a bit difficult to fully consume as a YouTube channel. It was always weird stuff, and I didn't agree with all the takes. Meanwhile, when it was someone like Tolbiski, I could usually, even if I disagree, be like, I can totally see why you're saying that. But I still appreciate all the work Jim's done in relation to consumer advocacy. Consumer advocacy is very important. And yes, it is. It's sad to look back on all of the like attempts at stemming the flow of really bad practices, just to watch it overflow and win, basically, like bad practices pretty much taken over a lot of what used to be surprising and now normal. That's OK. Games. There's still good games coming out with good practices embedded. Yep. Reward the good. Yeah, what I'm talking about like, you know, pre-orders, crunch time, hyper microtransaction focused games with like little content games that are unfinished, all these sorts of things used to be shocking, but they're becoming more and more normal as time goes on, which sucks. Yeah, there are there are plenty and continue to be plenty of double A level and indie games that absolutely deserve your money. You will not you won't run out of them. So by all means, you want to reward those good companies who make the good stuff. And if it means we get less triple A games, then, well, maybe that's what needs to happen. Yeah. The debate over difficulty in gaming mostly comes from a sense of entitlement. It's basically you want the game to cater to you rather than acting like an adult and realizing not all games are made for you. Happy anniversary. I can't remember exactly what our conclusion was, but the rule of thumb is I want the author, so to speak, to have full control over how difficult their game is. Well, yeah, right. Like the developers can implement difficulty settings if that's if they feel that's coherent with what they want to do. But if they choose not to, that's not like some great sin. So how difficult games are are part of the expression of the creators. You know, they are, but I think that's often forgotten. I think that I don't know how much people factor that into like the creative expression of video games is the interactivity in the sense of like how easy or difficult is it for you to even engage with any of this? And I wouldn't want to wash it all the way under the sense of like annoying pride with a person like, oh, you just want to like say, for example, Dark Souls is the way that it is. And then Dark Souls 2 is like, it has that Mario thing. It's like, would you like invincibility? The second you die and someone's like, that kind of makes it all really easy. And that's not at all. Or maybe that's even embedded. That's just something you have. You're just invincible in the next game. And someone's like, oh, if someone said, oh, my God, you just can't accept games for everybody, not just for you. You're like, that's pretty fair, though. There's an expectation there of what was going to be happening. This is why new IPs, when they fuck around with whatever difficulty they want, are going to be much better off than when you do it to something that's established because people are like, oh, wait, I'm buying this because I expect this, but now you're giving me this. Yeah. But you'll like it because you can choose the difficulty you want to do. And we went over this just like there's this big old thing of social experiences, not the same, not shared and taken from the potential thing. For example, when Fringy says, I beat God of War 2018 on normal difficulty, it's like, what even is that like the the baby difficulty or how could you? So he'll be. Yeah, I guess I guess that's the thing is like, if somebody says to me, I beat I played this game and I really enjoyed it. It's like, on what mode easy? It's like, oh, well, yeah, that means I might not like, you know, your your perception of the game is going to be different based on what difficulty you play on some to some degree. That came up when I reviewed games more than films time. Just I've said before that playing on the hardest difficulty will often get you to really understand what mechanics are working or what aren't because you need them all to be very reactive and important. Every movement matters sort of thing. And so you'll know. But if you play on the easiest difficulty, you might be like, well, there's nothing wrong with a shoe of mechanics. Everything is dying and just even though even the easiest you should be able to analyze it well, it's just that when things are pushed to their limits and everything needs to be almost perfect, harder difficulties can help. You understand how well coded the game was or balanced. It was exactly how well does the difficulty? Like, yeah, what what happens if systems begin to break? You know, like when you play on different different difficulty settings, it's like, hmm, interesting question worth exploring. That's for sure. But yeah, saying it's like all down to a sense of entitlement. I don't think I wouldn't want to. I think that's a bit reductive. Yeah, I mean, I think that's what the conversation eventually turned into. Because I think it's just the easy take to be like, are you guys just wanting to be the way that it always was? I think, yeah, I mean, there are some people who, you know, feel owed success, but. It depends on who's talking. It might be the person. It might not be, just depends. You got to listen to why they're bitching, essentially. I started watching when Nostalgia Critics Lord of the Ring stream was live and 200 is live on my birthday weekend. It's been a super fantastic ride. Congrats to everybody. Nostalgia Critics Streams. Thanks very much. I I didn't know that. Does he? I'm going to check immediately. Nostalgia Critics Streams. Late, but here, happy 200 pot one. Very much. This one just says my money. You laughing at me? I apologies. Thank you for the super chat. I just when you type in Nostalgia, when you type in Nostalgia Critics Stream, this is what pops up first. Oh, this made me laugh. You like makes I guess he just makes a model of Nostalgia Critics. He's just fucking funny. Does that matter? Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of Wario, the the mustache. I do not know if Nostalgia Critics Streams. Only creates a Nostalgia Critic. Yeah, well, they said Lord of the Rings Streams, so. I don't know unless they're referring to our coverage of Nostalgia Critics Lord of the Rings. One of a stream, maybe that's what we're talking about. Oh, yeah, they're saying that's when they started watching EFAP. I see. Oh, that was one of the Halloween's ago, I think. Hard to say. Uh, do you came here for the TRO drama? Can't be happier. God, that was like episode nine, eight, nine, ten, I think. That was that was back in the day. That was back in the day. A long time ago, yeah. Objectively speaking, in my subjective opinion, Byrax, also Mola, you outdid yourself with the mom video. Also, Pyro may be a longer man than you. True, could be. Maybe. Length isn't everything, though. Good. That's true. Quality, technique. Does it be fair? I've heard he is a quality long man. I didn't check it out. Read the hot dog lyrics in Fred Durst's voice. What's Fred Durst? I can't help you. That's not YouTube Fred, right? Fred Durst. Is that YouTube Fred? I don't know who YouTube Fred is. Like the first big YouTuber. I don't think so. He is. Oh, no, that's a different guy. Who is Fred Durst? He's an American rapper, singer, songwriter, actor and director. He's the front man and lyricist of the new metal band, Limp Bizkit. Right. I don't know what he's like. That's not familiar. I wouldn't know what the impression of his voice is. I have no idea what Fred Durst sounds like. He. If we're talking accessibility options like colorblind mode, literally no one has a problem with that. Yeah, as far as I know, he does. It's what you always have to do in these discussions, particularly with particularly with Jim is this. Whenever possible to create confusing, confusing conflation between difficulty and accessibility, it will be done and then those things will be mixed together later. I think Jim is very bad. Jim is very bad faith when it comes to this. It's not the first time that Jim's done this. It will not be the last. It is always a I guess he sees it as a very venerable strategy. And it is incredibly fucking annoying. Why this discussion again? No, the answer is no. If someone wants an easier experience, mods are a thing. Also, why are we watching old Jim Stirling stuff? Also, cheers, guys. This is the video I originally wanted to cover from Jim Stirling. Still hasn't been covered yet outside of the Village Goggles one. They're always old because there's this funny ones from in history that I. There's still one more. And who knows, maybe then we'll break tradition and not start with a Jim Stirling. But always who are we to break with the tradition that we started by accident? We locked ourselves in. Also, same mods are a thing. I don't know if that's a great argument, because you could just say the reverse like easy to mod it to make it harder. Is he wanted to make it easier? I mean, like, that doesn't really. What I would say, address any core arguments that well. Really, you can mod it to do anything. Happy 200 started watching year 100 and caught up last week. In that time, I got a girlfriend graduated, moved abroad and I'm studying my new job Monday. Here's a send for each hour of joy you brought me. Oh, wow. That's that's quite a bit happening. That's really excellent. You've been bitty. Wasn't there a disabled guy who beat an Elden Ring boss with his chin? There's I've seen a girl beat it with a banana. So like, yeah, you can you can do anything you want. When there's a will, there's a way. Kind of sums up humans well, doesn't it? Yeah, we do some crazy shit where if God really were watching, you'd be like, whoa, you guys are not enough. Bins it off. Oh, no. Like the sun is a lamp. Right enough. I haven't been keeping up with EFAP lately, but it's comforting to see that you are still live and fighting the good fight every week. Happy 200 episode milestone. Looking forward to EFAP episode one thousand. Well, it'll be it'll be some time from now. Or is it two years per hundred episodes? So we're going to 16 years. But hey, maybe maybe we're still around to that point. Maybe reason not to be need the rags plushie. I want to do things to it. Like put it on your shelf or on your computer. Just appreciate the look of it. Yeah, buy it for friendos. Did you all ever play Days Gone? Great characters and story with some really unique mechanics, but hampered by a small budget would still recommend. I've not played that game. I don't know anything about it really. I'm completely out of the loop. It's a zombie game, right? I'll be my motorcycle game as far as I know. Zombie motorcycle. Yeah, that's a motorcycle with Sam Whitwell. That's why that's right. Yeah, you're going to have to go to work. So I'll have to watch this later. Happy 200 episodes and high rags. Hello. So nuts, because if someone had like just finished the anniversary, like, well, now what's next? They'd already have 11 episodes of EFAP on top of like four movies. Several minis. That that that content blast. Then a. Misunderstanding is the opposite of mansplaining. Oh, misunderstanding. It's not understanding. Ha, oh, that might be not a bad way to like snap back in. It's like, stop mansplaining. Well, stop misunderstanding. Oh, the absolute war that'll break out. You're welcome. Also, mutually, the inclusion of Wolf in the Multiverse Manus video put me over the moon. I missed that massive walk. Well, yeah. It's it's they were fun clips, especially for a movie that hideous next one. I swear, this will be the last time I do this. Long lads of toxic, I beseech you. Look up Alley of Justice Garadhog. Well, today only this card has the best effect in all of Yu-Gi-Oh. Jokes aside, thank you, crew, and stay long. We have to look up what was the name. All right, well, Ally, not Ally. Oh, my bad. Silly, silly. This is a Yu-Gi-Oh card. Let me get you a picture of it. Da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Ally of Justice Garadhog. If this card battles a light monster, it gains 200 attack during the damage step only. All right, I'm sorry. I'm not familiar enough in New Year to know if that's funny or not. It's not funny. In fact, I'm not actually certain. Why we were told to cover this one. Yeah, I'm not actually there might be a meme there that we're missing. There could be if there is. I'm sorry, I just I don't know what this meme is. Hey, rags, who is a good boy? It's me. I am. I am it's me. I'm one. Yeah, that's me. Here to the Empire is the best example of how an audiobook can elevate a story. Mark Thompson's performance is outstanding in the use of sound effects and music from the films enhanced it. I could definitely see that being the case. Yeah. So the thing is, the sacrifice that's made there is that certain elements that could have been left up to the sort of reader are left unambiguous. That's always been the sort of trade off with audiobooks that you will, especially with the readers that give voices to characters sort of thing. And there was a scream. But now, but now you'll know who scream it is, potentially, because, you know, the scream is a voice ago. You know, like if you're reading it and it's like the esteemed board of Aster Whizzles walking up in these sets of things, like you can read it like, you know, hello there, my name is Barbara. But if you have like an audiobook reader who was how are you doing? It like sets very different expectations of what kind of character it is just by reading how they speak things, obviously. So yeah, audiobooks, some people complain about stuff like that. They're like, I don't like that this character is being made to sound this way. That's not the way I envision them. But if you like that, then that can be really great to listen to. Yeah, audiobook kins is a lot on the narrator in a way that's just not going to be the case in a novel. And I could totally see someone being like, you special effects noises in my consumption of a book go away. Or someone could be like, no, that's really cool. It's an addition or atmosphere. Like, yeah, I suppose it's totally on how it's done. Yeah. Same goes for like having ambient music that changes per chapter, maybe that's specifically at that point, the more you add of this, the more you're just going to be changing the format, I guess. But you know, audiobook is very much its own thing. You get many versions sometimes in there. There's the what's on. More, is there a particular reason you stopped using tags for your videos ever since your Snydercut video? I, as far as I'm aware, they stop having tags in videos. I know hash tags are a thing, but I've never really touched them, except by accident. But I remember when tags were all the rage and then they just stopped that option when you upload a video. Apparently, the format for YouTube is changed again, by the way. Like the UI, but it hasn't changed. Those things tend to roll out slowly, don't they? Like, you know, gradually, bit by bit. Love you, EFAB. Thanks for the laugh and helping through tough times. Thank you very much for letting us know. Happy fourth anniversary, EFAB. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks. Thanks. Hey, I left a comment on your Doctor Strange video about the Charles versus Wanda scene. I think you'd like it. Thank you very much. Um. I'd imagine you didn't like that scene because nobody did. But it's been nobody. To be fair, I used to be like Jim and always played on easy mode, but then I grew a spine. Well, as much as it would be easy to sort of dismiss Jim as that, being the motivation, I'm sure Jim. I'm pretty sure I remember Jim saying, like, loves being like doxels and stuff, or difficulties and everything. I don't think it's that. Jim thinks he's being the champion for someone else. Hi, Rags. Hello. Been watching avidly since EFAB 11 and have seen all the elder memes. You guys have made my work days quicker and sad days better. Now, look up and sheets and pick which one looks better. There is a right pick. Wawa and sheets. Yeah. So I guess this is a because I don't have any. These are two stores. Uh-huh. Apparently, this is a meme thing or to see which sheets SHETZ and Wawa, W8. Are we comparing the icons or are we comparing something they make? I don't know what either of these stores. I guess they're delis or like sort of fast food places. Are they gas station? I don't know. Let's see. Wawa versus sheets. Apparently, this is the whole thing. Convenience store battle. But that is, yeah, we do not have a Wawa or a sheets in Arkansas, or at least I've never I've never seen any or I don't I don't know what they are. Yeah, I'm like at their convenience store rivals. Maybe the maybe the difference. It's like Walgreens and CVS. I don't know if you guys have those. They're very, very similar. Yeah, they're they're virtually the same thing, just slightly different. In fact, I think. Oh, I think that they used to be married. The who the two founders of CVS and Walgreens, they used to be married. And I guess they split and they often try to put themselves next to each other, the stores, but I'm not sure how much of that is true. Yeah, I can't really give an answer for that one. And just got a lot of mileage out of both CVS and Walgreens. But I don't know anything about Wawa and sheets. I do. Wawa and sheets. Happy 200 episodes, EFAP. Thank you very much. Cheers. Yes. Hello, my fellow toxic brood. Congrats on 200 episodes. Give it the great work. Here's the next 200. Also high rags. Hello, thanks. Happy 200 lads. Here's to all the FMKs, Pokémons of the days and every pedantic argument rags is ever instigated. Also high rags. Hello. Why do you act like Norm MacDonald? I still have characters so flamboyig. Why do you act like Norm? I don't act like Norm MacDonald. I would never. Thank you, Norm MacDonald. I am the reincarnation of Norm MacDonald. Me? When he died, I was born. Blossomed. Finally having my fishing day, my day out fishing, sorry. Didn't realize this was happening. What a great day. Also great unbridled vidmolsey and high rags and others. Hey. Hello to you. Glad you enjoyed it. And what a great day fishing where you can just listen to. Oh, yes. Glad to be here for 200. I haven't been here in a long time. I almost never catch you live, but I love the time I've spent with EFAP in the background. And I plan on keeping doing that. Wait, cool to know. We've been entertaining people for this long, you know. That is really awesome. Quite a whore. Hell, yeah, brothers, four years of quality content. Thank you. Yeah. Do another four years. Throw another four. It could be easy. Rags, subtle sound of music reference made me smile. You bet. I'm glad you liked it. Me neither. Likewise. I don't remember it either. That's how subtle it was, which means I might even make it again one day and not know that I've done it before. Won't that be fun? How do you solve a problem like Maria? I got it. Oh, OK. I got you. I got you. How do you solve a problem like Maria? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I want to feel better when I beat her more than 2022. I think that was me talking about Maria. Or maybe. Yeah, you know, when you're beating someone. Feel good. You do, you do. You want the other person to feel or the other thing to feel bad, not you. You feel great. Can we get the secret of Mario's jump yet? No. Secret, the chance. Cover it. The 40th president was Ronald. The 45th president is Donald. The 50th president will be Tonald. Wow, pretty cool. Oh, Tonald. He's waiting into politics. He tried the YouTube thing. He got his degree in chefonomics. Oh, it's a YouTube ology. YouTube ology. Dirty in the all you do. Happy 200. Thank you for all the insight and entertainment. Oh, you're welcome very much. Been here since before it was EFAP. And I'm so thankful for something to listen to while working. I'll watch you massive for at least the next 200. We can keep your attention. I really appreciate that. Yeah, that's quite a promise to another 200. That's a hey, we'll take it. You bet. Love you guys. Oh, how very nice of you. That's a very nice kind thing to say. Thank you. Happy 200 EFAP and a shout out to all of the mods. Question, is everybody excited for Knives Out 2? You may address Ryan as the glass onion knight. No, I'm not looking forward to it at all because it'll come out and everyone's going to be like, oh, I can't believe it's so good. Wow. Oh, yeah. And then we'll be like, oh, like, but this thing doesn't make sense. This is fucking shit. And this the letters a lady throws up whenever someone tells a lie. Fuck off. So clever and funny. Super funny. I'm Meeble, Fringo and everyone not named rag. Here's to a great 24 hours. Also, check out the greatest Yu-Gi-Oh card ever made. Oitsu, S-O-I-T-S-U. I think I know this one. Only EFAP 200 is worthy enough to see his power. Also, high racks. Hello. Could you spell the card? S-O-I-T-S-U. Yes, I there is a I think these came out with I forget which one. But there is Soitsu, Oitsu and Koitsu. And I think individually, they are like worthless. But you can fuse. I think there's four. There's Aitsu, Koitsu, Soitsu and I think Doitsu with a D. Yeah. And you confuse them into one. They're like little they're like little men on little tiny featureless men on like paper airplanes. Oh, and you confuse them together to make a very, very strong creature. All right. But individually, they're like worthless. So these sort after are they rare? I do not know if they are rare. I would imagine that the individual members, the four individuals are not at all rare, but I would imagine that the fusion card that requires all of them is the rare one. But I might be wrong. Let me. I'm a little silly. And that's just my. So this power can only be properly understood. I have two hundred. Oh, I love you all so much. The long man himself specifically. You taught me how to analyze movies. The good people of EFAP have become my favorite rags. Let's bring EJ and drink it to make a few. Oh, OK. Yeah, well, all right. Very glad to hear that. We got some good peeps who hang out with us. It's the fourth EFAP and I love it. Congratulations on your fourth anniversary and episode two hundred EFAP. Jim's entire argument is refuted by the evolution of T.S. from Daggerfall to Skyrim. Evolution of the Elder Scrolls from Daggerfall to Skyrim in terms of difficulty. I don't know. Millions of that. I the first Elder Scrolls game I played was Oblivion. So I played Oblivion and Skyrim and that's it. Right. That's my that's my Elder Scrolls, essentially history. I never played Blades, though. Or Daggerfall or more. That was the mobile game, right? Right. It's the mobile game that everyone forgot about. About that, though. Yeah, totally forgotten. I think it was it was pretty hated when it first came out because people were excited for like actual Elder Scrolls kind of content and then they come out with the mobile game and it looks like this lame sort of. Is that the era of Diablo Immortal? I think that was before this was before. Yeah. Let me actually check when it came out. I feel like. Wasn't my Elder Scrolls six announced several years ago at this stage? Well, March of 2019 was when Elder Scrolls Blades was released. So it was about that time. It feels like it was further back, but. It does, yeah. And the next stop is Starfield, though, right? Yeah, Starfield, which doesn't look good, honestly. I don't know what I think of it. I think I don't typically I don't typically judge a game harshly for not looking great, but I don't know Bethesda makes enough money that I think their game should look better than they do. Is that like a hot take or is that a deep perspective that games look worse than they should? How much money they make? I feel like nobody said that Call of Duty. I don't remember anybody saying that Call of Duty's graphical fidelity back in the day was fine. I just never remember people saying that. It's like like. Whenever they create a game, it's almost like they're creating a platform instead to be built upon. Well, sure. But Unreal does that, right? Like Gears of War was kind of like the Unreal Engine 3 game, but like Unreal Engine 3 was an engine that everybody could use. And it looks really good at the time anyway. I know. I mean, Gears 5 looks incredible. So, yeah, really, it should, though. Pretty it's it's far down in my list of things that I would change about those games, but I'm not a graphically minded person in particular. Well, I suppose. Oh, yeah, considering. I don't know. It's just something that I tend to think about whenever it's like, man, this is like an incredibly successful franchise and franchises that make less money are able to push their fidelity higher. I guess they wanted to run across all sorts of different things. But do that do do Bethesda games run across all sorts of things very well? It probably not. No. I mean, I think they run in that in that acceptable kind of area. But that's what I mean. Like, you know, how they look. I mean, if they want to try to levy the fact that there's so much in them and so much happening and so much can go on, like, I mean, sort of. But I don't know. Like, how complex is all of that stuff that is actually happening? I mean, I know that with Starfield writer was the meme. They said that there'd be thousands of planets. It's like, so really, there's not, right? Like, there's really only like 10 or 15 real places to go to. And the rest of it's going to be like procedurally generated. Not to say that that's not thoroughly going to be OK from a gameplay perspective. It's just like a thousand planets. No, you did not. You didn't build a thousand places that you can explore that are in depth. A bunch of those are just going to be empty or, you know, who knows. And also, you'll notice up here in these games, I think that considering how much first person shooting there is in like fallout, I didn't play a lot of fallout for, but I remember not being happy with the mechanics, like in terms of shooting, it was fine. It was fine. Yes, that's the thing, though. That's all you can say about it. It's a drastic improvement over the shooting of previous Fallout games. It was a day difference. It felt like it felt like a fine shooter. And it went in the shooting element was it was just that it was fine. Are the RPG mechanics good enough for it to just be fine? I cannot recall. I don't I don't. That's what it means. It's definitely one of those some of its parts kinds of experiences. I suppose. Yeah, maybe, maybe. I when I had given Bethesda games like those ones that much with shots, so I, you know, maybe they've got some hidden brilliance that are that everybody else is you're a gaming racist. No, it's not. I don't know if you ever made an impression on me. I don't know what it is, but it's definitely kind of like in because it's not a bad effect to have everything just sort of together just elevates the whole experience. Yeah, of course. But there is some. I don't know, it's weird. Talking about those kinds of games is kind of weird, because like seven days to die is sort of my go to game for that. For the overall being when you put everything together, then it it's fun and I like it. The individual components, I don't necessarily like it all by themselves. But, you know, when you're when you're walking around and doing stuff and fighting zombies and leveling up a character and sort of building stuff, it's like it all just sort of works. It all fits in with itself. And so it gets like that completion bonus where, yeah, the the individual parts of the armor or the puzzle or whatever you're putting together, they're not that special. But then you put in that last piece and it just sort of boom, like plus 10 for completion bonus. That's kind of how it how it works in a way. But I mean, as long as I think as long as Bethesda has their games be at least decent when they come out and very mod friendly, then they'll continue to revive and thrive, honestly. But I do wish that they would do a bit more work in in some elements in some aspects. However, I need to use the loose, so I will be right back. Also, high rags, kick, J, milk, rhino, Ewok, hello and words, Wombo. But. Language goes, I fully understand that. Congratulations on your fourth anniversary and episode 200, Eve. Yeah, cheers. Rather exciting, isn't it? Forgot to mention Anna. I have to send another super chat to mention here because I love her a lot. And the EFAP she's on have been some of my favorites. Did she make it to 200? I can't remember either, actually. Yeah, to keep track of these sorts of things. Yeah, they're always very unique EFAP, so she pops on the crazy stories of disliking water and maybe that's a biological mutation that. Probably not worth testing out, really. Dislike water. So maybe this will be helpful for survival. It's like, it won't. Well, that's what I mean, like a dislike of water, like an act of dislike of water. Just, yeah. Any interest in the Red Rising trilogy? Some pretty good books, if I do say so myself. I hear that it's good. I'm pretty sure I own the audio book for the first one and I still haven't listened to it yet. I'm not familiar at all. Uh, boop, boop, boop. Fun fact, Mauler's MOM vid was done back in May. It just took this long to render. Seriously, though, what kind of Bitcoin mining fan rig do you have to strap to your poor CPU? This this computer really could you arrest? I think it hates me. A little nap. There's a long nap, I think. He's just he's got to go to bed, tuck himself in. When we finished rendering that MOM one, he was like, that's the last one, right, boss? I'm like. That's the last one, isn't it, buddy? Is it? Cheers from Polandia. Yes, hello, ragglefraggoo. Keep that one. Say hi. Will you guys cover rings of power? Hmm. Well, I think we know the answer to that question. You're in luck. We had probably. I would have been like it's like five hours per two episodes, I think. So a shit ton of coverage. Hey, it was it was engaging. It was nice to have different guests to runes on. And to be honest with you, that's more so what I'll be looking forward to. These and two comes around to be like, let's grab up disbrew little plume, maybe Shad. On that about. The greatness that was that show. I am back. Hello, ragglefraggoo. Hi. Also had a high rags commit. Oh, hello to that person. Thank you. Thanks, long men, for being on the sauce on the steak, the cheese and the cake, the lace in the nightgown and the point after the touchdown of critiques. Happy 200. Wait a minute. Thank you. What is it about Jim that warrants a thrashing every anniversary stream? Also, congrats to you guys on year four. Super happy for you. Here's for more. Thank you very much. Jim conversation starts. Jim is certainly a conversation starter. Jim's a very, honestly, a pretty cruel person. We'll likely talk about video game difficulty a whole bunch while before you have ends and again, it's a common topic in the same way that a lot of stuff about adaptation comes up a lot. That never quite ends. Especially with whatever the hell's going on with DC now. Very curious to see. I think source material will be respected now. Superman is going to be a nice boy. So it's it's James Gunn, right? He's getting put in charge a lot of that. Yes, for those who do not know, he's been long enough now, so. But Black Adam ends with Black Adam being visited by Henry Cavill and his Superman and he's like, hey, you've been making ways. No, no, no, no, no. Everyone's very happy about that and it goes to show that. But I know of night of people like see people once night of back like. No, I want Mark to be given a I want justice for Mark. That's what I. Mark, what? Oh, why did I say? Why did I say Mark? You think I'm all over Luke? So here's what I did. Instead of Cavill, I was thinking Hamill, Cavill, Hamill. And so I said, Mark Henry, Henry, Henry, Hamill, Henry, Hamill. Justice, justice for Henry. Yeah, no, I agree, justice. And I'm very excited to see what James Gunn does with. Well, because it's James Gunn and Peter Saffron as his producer, he produced like, I think it was Aquaman. And then he's done some of the other ones that have come after that. So around that. At least we got a gun. Well, I understand that the the the idea is that James Gunn is in charge of the creative side and Saffron is in charge of the like business side, which seems like it. I mean, that that alone seems to be like because I don't know that Kevin Feige is like a storyteller. More so than he is like a guy who gets money. He is well, I guess I guess he probably has jokes. But like, I imagine that it's surely going to be a good thing to have an actual storyteller like we're going to have an actual storyteller. Well, yeah, that's weird. So yeah, that's we'll see what comes of that, I suppose. It'll be interesting. I am an indie game dev working on my fifth game. I usually make challenging games. Some players do prefer a fine tune challenging experience. Every design decision will inevitably exclude some players from aesthetics to genre. True. They're a bit, I knew a guy once upon a time who just refused to play 2D games. It's like, no, fuck that. 3D is the future. I'm like, amazing. It sucks in the past. So that excludes him, I guess, if you make a 2D game. Surprise, I've not gotten any reaction from either of them. They tell you about it every once. A little surprise and have that opinion, right? Of how 2D games are not good. Sorry, much of it. Yeah, 2D games are outclassed by 3D. I don't. That's it's just such a bizarre take. I do not share that opinion whatsoever. Redefine 2D games with that opinion. Yeah, like I get why you might not like them. I totally understand. I don't actually. I don't know what it means to dislike 2D games. I don't know what that means. You just like 2D games, 2D platformers, 2D metroidvanias, 2D strategy games. What do you mean? Like, I don't understand that at all. It'd be like if someone said to me, I dislike animation. It's like, what are you talking about? Like, what does that even mean? Well, Rex, you're the weird person whispering explain. I'm the weird person whisperer. Oh, you could explain for me why somebody why they might feel that way. Yeah, I so and this is not my perspective. If someone someone not liking 2D, like I I don't think that's crazy, even though I vehemently disagree with it. But I guess somebody might feel like they're losing out by having, you know, one less dimension or they feel like they maybe they feel a bit too railroaded into an experience or it's not free enough. Maybe they don't like platforming mechanics that are simply two dimensional. Maybe that doesn't appeal to them. Well, sure. But that would be if we were talking just about 2D platformers, but there's lots of 2D games for that one. Yeah, but we're so like if somebody said to me, I don't like 2D games. It's like so adventure games. It's like, well, I like the 3D ones, but not the 2D ones. I don't I don't I don't get that. I don't understand what that would mean. I guess there's a big enough difference between 3D games and 2D games that there's something there that they feel like they they've lost and that they don't like or they don't feel it's enough. I would say that I just guess how much that would stand up if I just started presenting examples of 2D games like that I'm going to find out that they dislike all of them or that they wouldn't even play any of them, you know. Because all I need is one example to the contrary, right? And then that kind of changes everything in terms of making a broad sweeping statement about an entire perspective of like video games. That's what I mean. I don't understand that. Like, to me, that does seem like saying I dislike animation. It's like, what do you mean by that? You dislike when still images, the illusion of movement by rapidly displaying still images, you dislike that overall. Hmm, I have a question. Do it. Yeah. Let's say that you had a species that had very, very good vision. And to this species, you had really, really damn good vision. You would have to like 24 frames wasn't enough, right? So if your vision got really, really good, would you need a higher frame rate necessarily to trick the brain into thinking it was motion? Oh, like if like 24 frames per second wasn't good enough. Yeah, like it looks like I get I go, I mean, the most important part is like the illusion of movement. And that can be because, I mean, for example, like animation can be done on twos right where an image is actually lasting two frames instead of one. It still gives off the illusion of movement, even if it's a different kind of movement. So like if as low as 12 frames per second is good enough for an illusion of movement, I don't know, yeah, like I'm not sure what it looks like for for that to not be the case for somebody. You know, I'm not sure. I mean, it's always different things, right? Because the reason why video games needs to be six is because like I'm playing this like, you know, the lag is real. Yeah. Whereas with the visual where it's purely visual and no gameplay, then it's, you know, it's not as important. Two hundred, what a journey been here since one. However, DDLC has yet to be played. Guess there's still a long journey ahead. Here's to 200 more, you dumb boes. Being here since episode one is legitimately an impressive thing. That was a long time ago. I've been here since. Well, even earlier, I have. I've been here. Yeah, we were, yeah, we we were all here for that. The protein wasn't here. Absolute one. Absurd. Hey, don't be that so mean to me. She's that wasn't mean. He was he was not the early bird. Like cruelty, was it? Yeah. He fun fact, Onyx has a worse attack stat than Audish. Funny. That's because it's really big and Audish is. So this is actually a specific reddit post. Onyx base attack power is lower than Audish. It's very. Yeah, that is pretty odd. It has. It says it's going. What the fuck? I'm just clicking on this link here. So the stats for. Audish, it has. Audish has higher hit points, higher attack, a third of the defense, higher special attack, higher special defense and less speed. Yeah, that seems weird. It's yeah, it just seems like it's just very strange. Very strange. Growing up was poor. Friends had boglins, but we couldn't afford them. Jim Sterling is just showing off his privileged boglins. Oh, yeah. That's what the privilege do. They show off their gobbler, gobbler, gobbler, gobbler. Jim has an insane amount of privilege and the goggles to prove it. And the goggles to prove it. I buy sci-fi rags, bread rags. Bread. You like bread? Love me some bread. I do. I do love bread. I really like bread, a delicious roll or some good toast. Oh, man, I like a good doughy pizza. Bread is great. I love me some bread. I try to avoid eating it too much, but it's no potato, but that bread. You guys ever had tortellini? Probably. Let me get you a picture real quick. But tortellini is good. I had it last night, actually, stopped by the folks place and had some tortellini. That stuff's pretty good. Like me some tortellini. You can put all sorts of stuff in tortellini. You can put cheese in there, maybe mushrooms, maybe a little bit of some sort of kind of gritter. It's really great. I love me tortellini in every tortellini is a you just hit it with your fork and you just knump and it's very well portioned out. You know, the Celebrate EFAP's 200 episode today's animal of the day is one of my favorites, the spotted hyena have a great stream. Spotted hyenas are very cool. Hyenas are cool. Yeah, hyenas are really cool critters. They're very strange. No, they laugh a lot and they only eat once everything else died on when they laugh. It's it's when they're nervous, when they make that laughing sound. It's because they're nervous. That's right. I, uh, pineas get a bad rap. That's definitely one of those misunderstood critters. Lion King is one of the things that didn't help with that. Yeah, it is. Lion King is lion propaganda against it really is. And also they have a better. I think they have a better success rate in hunting than lions do. I, yeah. So that's one of those fun facts is that, uh, like the way that people perceive the success rate of animals when it comes to going out and hunting prey is hyenas work together. So hyenas are very social animals, so they will work together to get their prey. And they are like they're scavengers, but they will also hunt, right? They don't do that for other people. Because I mean, there's a it's one of the more popular wildlife videos where it was a group of hyenas actually managed to corner a lion and they probably would have defeated him if not for his lion buddy showing up and scaring him off. Oh, man, they. Mm hmm. They're not canines. They're not felines. They're they're hyena day. They're their own little thing. They're just weird, weird critters. Congrats on 200 massives. Hi rags. Hello. Love to all you handsome massives. Since you're talking about Pokemon at the time of this super chat, which Pokemon would you bring into your favorite games? Which Pokemon would I like other games that aren't about Pokemon? I presume is what that question means. Probably. I would like some kind of and this isn't racial bias, like most of my opinions are, but like a like a dog like Pokemon, some kind of quadruped that can be there for you to ride around as a mount or it could be hanging out with you to like store stuff. You know, you could put stuff on him. He could be like an extra inventory, give you a little bit of support and call out a more supportive kind of role. And, you know, like, God, this is my my faithful companion. This is my so my like my growlith or my arcanine, something like that. You could get on him and you could ride to the next level or right across the countryside, almost maybe as a fast travel in a way. And he's got a little saddle, the saddlebags on him. So, oh, no, because you hate that when you're playing like an RPG or something. Oh, no, my inventory is full. If only I had a little bit. Oh, of course, yeah, I got the saddlebags. I'm a little boy over here. You put that on there and he could follow you around. That was an interesting way to think about it. Go ahead. Last choice. You can hang out with Kratos. Well, so I was thinking like I'm just sort of here thinking what would it look like if you put certain Pokemon into different types of genre games, like a Blaziken fighting game or like, you know, action game like Devil May Cry or, yeah, I don't know, maybe Blastoise in the action game would be cool, like Blastoise brofisting with Kratos. Blastoise is awesome. I think he's cooler than Charizard. What do you think, Rick? Hmm, I'm thinking. Like Charizard is really cool. Blastoise, man. He's got cannons. Cannon, water cannons. I am very partial to Blastoise. Great, I think it all loses to both of them. Yes, Venusaur definitely loses. Well, I don't think so. I don't mean like I don't mean literally in the stats. I'm going to fight. Oh, but no, it's all, you know, like Venusaur beats exactly. I mean, it's just a cool factor as well. Your favorite starting Pokemon. Bulbasaur. No, I know. Probably would be Squirtle, I guess. Man, gosh, that it just speaks to how well they're designed. It's like it's legitimately each one is a banger. I would say what's my favorite? I'm yeah. Oh, if we're if we're just going with the the starting select their first evolution. So Squirtle, Bulbasaur and Charmander. Well, man, I don't know if I could pick. I legitimately really like that really like them all. Well, because I guess so you guys picked both Squirtle. I think I'm going to go with Squirtle. Yeah, I think I'm going to go with Squirtle, too, as the first. Yeah, well, I think I'm going to go Squirtle. Funnily enough, I find second generation really hard because Toad Island Cyndaquil is a tough one for me. I'm not sure which one I like more. I really like Bayleaf, whatever I do. I do. I just really like Toad Island and Cyndaquil. I don't know. Toad Island makes me smile and Cyndaquil is just the cutest. There's something that's very anthropomorphic about Toad Island that I like. Yes, I think so. That's Chikorita, right? Yeah, I think so. Do you think I was in the gen? So, yeah. So, yeah, I think I'm going to go with Toadadile. There's something about him where he just, oh, yeah, I'm about him. He's great. He kind of sits into the same slot as like a Meowth, doesn't he? Yeah, he seems like a real like a person almost. Yeah, a little bit. And plus his back isn't on fire. So that's like, oh, we can hang out. You're not a fire hazard wherever you go. As far as the final evolutions of the second gen, I really like the the grass type one, whichever one that is of the of the final generation or the final evolution. I feel like the grass one really catches up. Well, the dinosaur one. You might have to be a bit more specific. I guess all of them are kind of dinosaurs on there. The here, the let me get your picture here. The I think this might be a bit low quality, but should serve the trick. But yeah, meganium, I think, is the gainium. Yeah, that'll help. Matt, look at what happens to Cyndaquil. It turns out I'm not sure. Funnily enough, I'm not as big a fan of the the third evolution, like in this particular grouping of any of them. Yeah, I don't really care for it. I like the grass one more. What's the name of the grass meganium? Well, we don't have to keep going through them. But gen three out of mud, kip, torchik and and Greco or Greco, which which one is less compelled, but it's already outside of my familiarity now. Let me get your picture because I know the one Fringie likes and you'll know the one Fringie likes, too. It's funny. It's funny because I I picked mud kip. I think I'm always blue. I like blue as a color. Yeah, and I always picked kip. But now I think torchik is my favorite when I look at him. I was going to say, I'm probably going to go with the bid. Yeah, torchik is cool. I like Greco as well. This is a close one. This is a this is really a close one, honestly. Trico, torchik and mud kip. I thought it was Greco or is it? Trico. Oh my god, all time. Trico becomes grove, grovile and sceptile. That's why I mixed them up. And then torchik eventually turns into Blaziken, which is pretty cool. Torchik. Yeah. He goes from Torchik to Combuskin to Blaziken. Buskin like that. Come on, it's fantastic. Combuskin and Blaziken and then mud kip turns into I can't remember. I'm going to I'm going to go with. I think I'm going to go with Trico on this one. OK, unconventional. Yeah, because it's torchik now. I think if you'd asked me before, it would have been mud kip. But man, torchik, look at that fellow. Look at him go. Look at how happy he is. A little. Yeah, they're like little. Yeah, these these ones are close. These ones are close. I mean, it's interesting to think about, right? Because the starting Pokemon are kind of I think that like you can. It's so important to nail the designs like the visual. These yeah, like your mascots, essentially. Essentially for each generation. Yeah, they need to slot into some sort of clear categories. Of course, like they all have like a blue, red or or green color scheme. But like in terms of creating visually distinct characters and not only to have that be the case, but for them to start off usually pretty adorable and then eventually reach a point where they come across as quite fierce like in the third generation. Like to me, it just seems like a good example of the importance of design, like visual communication, video games, because there's more that you have. I mean, Pikachu is pretty perfect, like in terms of a design for a mascot. Yeah, he's pretty. Everyone knows Pikachu. He's a good, very approachable design. For those, if you do care, these are the gen four. Yeah, so Jen for it's I think it's Pip Plop, I think, or Pip. That's the that's the penguin. So that's another easy choice for me is between the penguin and the turtle. Yeah, the monkey is not. Yeah, I don't know. The monkey looks weird because I like the idea of the fire monkey. I like the idea of having a monkey creature. But the design is not. I think it's the head. The head looks the weird eye things. I don't know what's going on with the eyes. It's kind of like his eyelids appeal a little bit. I can see. Yeah, it's very strange. And also doesn't have that long tail on its first evolution. So what's so what we get past Gen four? This is where I'm going to have no clue. So I'm curious now. Pretty much. So what's the Gen five look like? This is Gen five. Man, so I feel like I don't have really any of them. I find the water types to be particularly unappealing. Yeah, he looks like a sad clown. He looks ugly to me. It's between between the grass one and I probably go to the fire one. I think he I like him the most. He's like a little violent official. Yeah. But yeah, that that water type one too. Yeah, but with the water types, you got it every time, every single time you nailed it and then something went wrong. I guess they couldn't all be winners. I think you really got a pretty good job in general. I was a sad clown. Look at it. And we have generation six. Yes, that's X and Y, I think, which I briefly played. So like you'd think that I would really like the frog, but I don't know what's going on in the face there, you know, the two white balls. Yeah, so it's a frog, which is a frog water. OK, all right, it's fair enough. But then it's got the weird, pluffy. Yeah, I don't know what that is. I think if you got rid of that, it would have been probably because I think I'm going with the tree one. I don't know exactly what he is, but I find the fox wants to be a bit generic. I don't know what it is. I find the fox a little bit generic. Whereas the this green fellow maintenance. Well, this green one, first of all, he looks quite happy, but also I'm sitting here trying to figure out what he is, which is almost like whereas I generally, I don't know, it looks like a beaver. Yeah, like a mole with a little hat, you know, like a little hat he's wearing. You know, it reminds me of sort of an armadillo. Well, I think Cyndaquil is more like an armadillo, right? Kind of. Like kind of or maybe more like a, I don't know, it looks like he rolls up into a little ball, I don't know. Yeah, he looks a little rolly. Yeah. And what's what's what's Jen seven then? Jen seven. Let me get you that sun and moon, I think. I think that's on the moon. Let me get you a good trio. OK, guys, I don't think we're in the golden age anymore. Thank you. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll I guess you're going to the fire cat, I guess. It's probably the cat. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how you make a seal not look fantastic and adorable. I don't know how you managed it. You did a cloud. Yeah, he's kind of like a derpy seal cloud instead of like an adorable. Why would you you could just make it like a baby seal? And that would have been perfect. You would have nailed it straight away. Just I don't know. Give him like an antenna or something to make him look like a Pokemon or something to give him like a little modifier instead of whatever you've done. I don't know what you did. Looks like a fucking leg. You'd be like, welcome to my hub. Yeah, he does. He's looking at me, staring into your soul. The cat's got the personality of the cat. Look at him. He looks so aloof. I love it. Yeah. The cat is very much a cat. I like the cat, but everything else. Easily the cat. I'm not even like super into the cat, but it's clearly the cat. The fire. It's definitely the cat. But we've got that's generation seven and things haven't been great. But fucking generation eight coming in to save the day. Oh, yeah, I think this one was all right, actually. Yeah, so like I know it got better, I think. I like the bunny. I don't know what it is with Sobble. I like him as well. He looks like I like him. I like him too. Yeah, I like him. He's got that monkey thing going on and I'm fond of my plant types. I really kind of like these guys. Yeah, I like I like this set. It's something something got better. You you're really fumbled and Jen six and seven five, six and seven dropped the ball. But then gets better. So let me give you the next I think the new one is I think the next one is the new one, right, the new one that's coming out. So they're not maybe I don't keep up with it. I like these ones, too. So these ones are pretty good. That that cat that is that is the marijuana cat is pretty pretty. I like feeling they're all pretty good. Yeah, Quacksley, he's great. It's he's yeah, these are all pretty good. And yeah, I like that the ducks got this cool hairstyle again. I like the cat. Yeah, there's an expectation that they can maybe take care of themselves as well, which would be. There is a cocoa. He's cool. I know happy face. I'm thinking about him or the cat. I think I'm going to go with the cat, but it's close. I really kind of like that middle one. I kind of want to see what these guys. I don't think we know what they evolve to yet because I don't think it's out. I think. Oh, all right. Now it's the newest one. OK, so they faltered pretty hard in the middle. They did. But and I think they got the latest ones in the end. Oh, yeah, the latest ones have been pretty darned. The latest two generations have been pretty good. I think I don't know. I think it's returning to like very distinctive credit. No, because no, I'm not sure if that's the case, because it's like, I don't know what happened with that clown water type. I don't know what happened with the clown water type and the seal that was in the that one, like next to the crazy owl. Like that, to me, feels like a slam dunk, right? You get a seal as like a water type Pokemon. It feels like it's easy, but I don't know what happened. They did something. It's like they fuse. Like seals will balance like a rubber ball. It's like they kind of fuse that into a clown nose for him. And I don't know. And that owl staring into my soul. I guess I don't mind these little bow tie leaf like a leaf bow tie. But I don't know. Yeah, they've just gotten better now. Like they've gotten back to the adorableness as well as like the sort of clear visual because I'm that for Coco and I'm imagining like it's meant to be sort of infused a bit with like he's got like a little like kind of a skeleton mask thing a little bit. Yeah. He's got a little I wonder if it's got that day of the dead sort of inspiration. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Also, I'm. Yeah, these are great. They all look great. They all look like personality. That's really great. I like the water type. Look at him. He's involved into this slick long man. Yeah, like a slimy salamander kind of thing. And you have a big gorilla and then you have a gorilla. That one's great. I love how cute it is that it's like that's me with a mold. Yeah. And then you got like this cool sort of ninja buddy. That's fantastic. Oh, what an adventure we've gone on. Yeah, this has been it's been pretty good. I didn't know about yeah, I wasn't super familiar with ages. So I'm I'm not going to play the new one. But hey, at least it's not going to play a new Pokemon game. I think so. I think you're just talking about this. This is pretty funny. I just saw it in the images. Oh, that's really funny. The middle one, the middle one with a little rabbit ears. I just want to remind you that he is. OK. OK, Pokemon. Pokemon. Gotta catch him all. Uh, hi, Pokemon. Also, please read the Pokedex entries for Dialga, my favorite Pokemon. Dialga, Pokedex. All right. Um, so it seems to be already that there is a. It has the power to control time. Oh. It uses its power to travel at will through the past and future government want to do something about it. I think this is a special one, right? This is a like a isn't this supposed to be like a special Pokemon, some legendary one or something? I don't know how casual that is, just by the way, there's a new Pokemon we got found. I want one controls time. Oh, it's it's it's helped a bit by, I think, the fact it's supposed to be like one of a kind and legendary, I suppose. Keeps to itself, doesn't really fuck with time that much. Yeah, Dialga. Dizzy Mouse Guy in chat said the worst part of League was that it's good. I'm paying you to mock them. I don't know if it's good or bad. I have not played it. And there must be some good about it. So many people play it and it's got so many, you know, people going back to it over and over. There must be some good thing about it. I see war is the League expert. I kind of am, I guess. I mean, you know, it works. Like things do what you expect them to do. It's just I don't even know if this is League's fault rather than just human. For competitive, it is toxic as fuck, that game. Like it just everybody's so ready to hate everything that exists when you play it. League of Legends is so yeah, just chat could be so vicious sometimes. It could be literally like, oh, what are you building? It's like this, like you should build the other thing. It's like, fuck you and build what I want. It's like, fuck you, that's it. I'm trying to kill, but I think it might just be as simple as, you know, like the game requires a level of cooperation that you don't typically have to have and like there's such a level of cooperation that you need in a game like that to win, that kind of breeds this competitive behavior that's a bit standoffish, confrontational. You get this, fuck you, I do what I want. But, you know, you can't, but no sympathy for new players either. No. Down they go. Minus the intro song, hour one of 24. There you go, guys, we made it up to hour one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doing great. We're two and a half hours into this. This is by the way, why we doing this one live would probably be a mistake. Yeah. These are just a little bit impossible. Please cover why Love and Thunder was bad. And so was Ragnarok at some point. People have post-hoc using the new film to call Ragnarok bad. I have seen the new film giving people an appreciation for Ragnarok. I mean, we did talk a little bit about this. Some people were like Ragnarok was the same thing. And it's just like, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't. Ragnarok had good, legitimately quite good stuff in it. It was all, I mean, in plus, it was funny. It was really funny. Love and Thunder, there was nothing funny about it. I don't have anyone soy, but I'm Grinker actually did a video breaking down the comparison of the sort of theater scene in both movies and why one of them is good and one of them is shit. And that's the kind of stuff we would have to do, break down like the approach because Ty could give a shit about Ragnarok, I'm pretty sure. I would argue that from seeing it. I think he did. Yeah. The jokes were much more character-caused and in line and using the plot line to sort of develop it as you go along. There's problems in Ragnarok. I would even go as far as saying they may be tonal problems. But Love and Thunder was a whole other thing. Just because a lot of similarities in how they were made or rather who was making them, who was involved, it doesn't mean they were just as bad. But Love and Thunder was just horrible. Yes, it was. That movie was shit. The last super chat was probably a video title. I assume they're saying you could make that video. And who knows, maybe someone will. I said, drinkers got one that's kind of like it. Fish floor, Love and Thunder drink. We'll see it. Yeah. Meanwhile, Team Fortress 2 casual lobbies have been destroyed by swaths of bots. Oh. No, it's unfortunate. Yeah, it sucks. Loads of games end up victim to that because they're not maintained. How is that Crobe Cat video? We're like, what Team Fortress 2 where the developers were like, yeah. So one of the reasons the game took so long is because we're working really hard to figure out the visual style with nine playable characters, each needed a distinct silhouette so you could identify him at a glance. And then it immediately cuts to all these goofy fucking hats and costumes that you can get in that game. And it's like, oh, the death of art styles. Like that's really the product of the live service landscape. You need to create costumes and stuff that are bombastic rather than. You know, like actually appropriate to the aesthetic. That's I got to watch the video and put it. Yeah, it's great. It's really good. Stick around right to the end. Those last couple of minutes. Oh, they are. Yeah, they hit you in the fees. Martin O'Donnell has a pinned comment on that video. He does. Yeah. Well, he said, don't let it be forgot that once there was a spot for one brief shining moment that was known as Camelot. I mean, that's it's something that I think is becoming more and it's something that Crobe Cat highlights as well, which I really appreciate is I think too many people put too much stock in the name of a studio for getting about the people that comprise the team and that's the most important part. Well, yeah, because the comment section for amnesia rebirth is like, where's the guy who wrote Soma? What are you guys doing? Where is he? Well, yeah, because I'm making a survival horror game now. So that's really cool. Well, the thing in the case of I watched his Back for Blood and Left for Dead comparison and like the big marketing or Left for Dead for Back for Blood was from the team that made Left for Dead. And at the end of the video, he like shows a bunch of interviews of people talking about Left for Dead back in the day, the list of people who made Left for Dead and how many of them were still working at Total Rock. It was like five. It was like five or six people who were still working on it. It's not the team that made Left for Dead. It just isn't. And it's the same with Bungie Now, like Bungie Now. Back in the day, it was what? 100 people, like 100, 125 people by the time that Reach came out. Now it's a team of like 800. A lot of those people left pretty early on and a lot of the people who stayed are also not there anymore. It's just not the same team. Same with Bioware. Yeah, I guess to some extent you could say, well, if leadership remains, that's one thing. And to some extent it is, right? Like a lot of people who didn't work, like a lot of the people who didn't work who work on like Mario games now obviously didn't work on Super Mario World, but you still got like me and Moto and a lot of those are old guard people around and like producer roles to some capacity. A lot of the old talent is still there in important roles. But like, I don't know, in the case of, yeah, like, like the Bungie that's making Destiny 2 is not the Bungie that made Halo 3. It just isn't. No. That depressing. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, that's kind of what I was just trying to allude to. Like the frictional games that I was in love with is gone now. Like they come back and I was like, well, yeah. And that's the thing. You got to cherish them while they're still the team that's making great stuff. And I guess that's the thing with like smaller games is that those teams are more likely to stay the same, right? Like if you've got a small development studio of like five to ten people, how many of those people, you know, like how much, how, you know, how many people need to change right before? Like if if some new game called, let's just say the Abyss comes out, Rags and it's made by Frictional, would you want to pick it up or would you be like, I mean, I'd be if if this scenario, you're not allowed to check out anything trailer wise, I know it's a stupid hypothetical, but I assume you get my point. Oh, I mean, I don't think it'll be good. There's a part of me that's curious, but probably not. I think I'd have to rationalize that the only reason I would expect it to be good is based on stuff that's just not the case anymore. So I should be treating it like any other. And in fact, I shouldn't be treating like any other. You're only as good as your latest thing is what they say about artists, right? Yeah. Or at least in this case, that group. And if their last thing was I need to read this, that's one of my most hated horror games of all time. So yeah, that game sucks. I should avoid. And then it's like, so in that case, then it would have to be a trailer that really meant if they had a trailer and they said from the writer of Soba, I'd be like, OK, so you got it back. OK, all right. Well, at least we you'll probably have a good story. I'm thinking so. Now you make me think about like as good as your last thing, Naughty Dog's last thing, the last of us two. Yeah. Hey, man, there's an example as well. Like the founders of that studio haven't been there for ages. And a lot of the people who worked on like Uncharted and stuff, aren't there anymore either? Oh, is that battle? It was that dice thing, right? Whereas like 50 percent of the people who worked on 2042, that was their first game at dice and that only like only about 30 percent of the people who worked on Battlefield 1 were still there. And it's like, keep going further back. How many people who worked on Battlefield 3 are still at dice? How much of the team do they comprise anymore, considering how much it expands? It's the team. It is not the logo on the building. It's the team. Yeah. Standing here, I realize you were just like me. We wanted movies. Happy EF200. Many thanks to the three hosts, the long, the dog and the frog. Hey, hey, more metal gear reference, metal gear references, you love to see it. This is my first super chat. Congrats, guys, on the four years and keep up the hard work. P.S. What are your thoughts on the four sun leashed games? I played the first one on we and I thought it was me too. Yeah, I have very positive things to say about the first one, even though I think I'd also have loads of criticisms. I quite hated the second one because of the story. Yeah, I don't remember what I had to say. Right, isn't that a clone of Starkiller? It's just a really badly done attempt at just doing the first one again. I think in a shorter and like nothing makes any sense anymore. Not that like necessarily the first one was for anything. I don't know. I'd have to play him again to give a stronger assessment. But I just remember when I when it came out, I was very excited. And then I was very disappointed. Good time. Good time. This is my first super chat. Congrats, guys, on the four years and give the hard work. Yes, what are your thoughts on the four sun leashed games? I played the first one on we and I liked it. I enjoyed it. I did not play the second one, but I don't hear good things about it. 100 percent of the first one on 360. I'm pretty sure I loved it. Everything that I was looking for at the time as I was fan of your games. Retrospect, probably fine. I'm not sure how well it holds up. I haven't played it in so long. But I remember hating the second one. I think I always hear that it was a Lamer and very short as well. Yes. Yeah. That was another thing I hated. The story was done within like six hours or some shit. I remember being like, hey, before, sorry. I mean, it was it was probably because I'm pretty sure the four sun leashed was like far and away. The most successful Star Wars game at the time that it came out. So they just tried to come together really quick. It was definitely a vibe of let's just do it again. But hey, look, all right. I that era of Lucas, Lucas, Lucas Arts. Yeah. Yeah. Like and then Star Wars 1313. And that was looking pretty cool. And then Disney came along and it's no more. And now not only are EA making Star Wars games, but now they're going to be making Marvel games, too, apparently, because the Star Wars games have been such a success. Which I guess financially, they did. I mean, yeah, damn, they probably have been like really successful financially. Right. Well, because like people quite liked all in order, yeah, I think an hour sort of keeps in our circles. Just find it tolerable. I heard. Yeah, I heard that it was it was fine, but it wasn't like exceptional at what it was trying to be, which maybe that was enough, right? Maybe it was a story or something to carry people through. Or maybe it's just like the fact that EA would release a single player Star Wars game with no microtransactions or anything was like enough to to be worthwhile, you know. Because yeah, I wouldn't want to be too harsh to I didn't play a lot. But I remember feeling like, well, this is a game and that's fine. Oh, as part of the the the EA deal, I'm pretty sure one of the games is going to be Iron Man, which feels like it's been way overdue to make an Iron Man game. Yeah. Where the fuck was that in the hype of Iron Man, guys, which was it's like 13 years ago, they probably should have made that. What if it was the case that yeah, we're like, ah, so Anthem was like the proof of concept that because, I mean, yeah, of all of the parts of Anthem that gets shit on the one thing that I hear is really good in that game. It's just flying around. So maybe that maybe that was enough to damage. I guess it's just an Iron Man game feels like, yeah, like that feels like way more viable to me than a Superman game. I can I can like envision what an Iron Man game would look like. I imagine it would still be hard to design levels and scenarios and to have it be balanced if he can go up in the air and fly around like freely. But like, damn, that seems like it could be a really cool game developed by electronic, well, published by Electronic Arts. So happy fourth anniversary. Did you know that movie Bob did review games under the moniker the game over thinker? It's just as cringy as it sounds. You should check it out. Yeah, I was one of what he did years ago. Well, it was one of his earlier things. He did have a level of approval and popularity from normal people at one point. He even did the long breakdowns for movies and stuff. He did the really that good and really that bad. And I remember people were suggesting we watch his really that bad for the Snyder Batman Superman stuff videos for like all of them. I think I know he's done it for Batman for Superman. And they're probably not cringe. They're probably his best things from what I'm gathering. But obviously he's just gone nuts over the past decade. I don't even know this. Yeah, he's gone. He is definitely gone nuts. So yeah, he's turned into this evil villain. Hilariously, really was his. Yeah, like making YouTube videos was his villain origin story. I would say he's he's the kind of person that the word super villain is suitable for, right? Like, because it's like he's cartoony and nonsensical and says things that are so beyond absurd and he looks like he says absurd things. And he's got like this whole it like like all he's very unique. Yeah, he's a very villainous persona. Like all of the three like it's the it's what the evil monologue would be in the movie that the villain makes is perfect that Patrick Williams of all people like randomly when talking about like what good reviewers are left. You got movie bombs like what in the world? Oh, yeah, he's great. He's great. Thunderass said Piccadilly is Pete game design shake my head. Oh, my God. You know, I don't believe it. Don't remind me. We all despise the one of the new ship map. Oh, there's always a ship map. I think it's it's like one where it's like at the US, Mexico border and there's a whole bunch of like cars lined up. So sight lines are really awkward. There's lots of like funneling points, I think, from like combat. I hear that that map is terrible. There's and that there's one other one that was like a remake of a map from Call of Duty one that everybody hates this particular map. So, you know, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Every call of duty has this one abhorrent map that is just terribly designed and everybody hates and skips. And I thought that every quality of this point had a trope of everyone has a shipment slash town now they tend to right? Like Mono Warfare 2 had rust and then yeah, there was nook town. And then there was a nook town in every single one. I can't remember what three small map was. I know that their terrible map was run down. It was like New York, this big map that was just unreadable. Like just totally unreadable. And I think I only ever played on it three or four times because it always got skipped. And then one past that point, you couldn't escape Piccadilly all the time. And Mono Warfare, could you show up in the rotation? That was horrible. I just kept showing up. Nobody wants to play you, you became way harder to get it. Oh, man, it's just like my memory of the maps in because I remember it was kind of a problem earlier on in Mono Warfare. And then I think I stopped playing after a few months. Like that there weren't many great maps by comparison to like the older games where there's so many great maps like Black Ops has a lot of great maps. Mono Warfare 2 had plenty of great maps. Cod 4 had a lot of good maps, something, I don't know, someone wrong. I don't know what it is. Yeah. This podcast made me into the man I am today. Happy 200 boys. Also, hi, everybody, except rags. Just kidding. Whoa, oh, hey. Yeah, thanks. Two hundred more. Let's go. Well, yeah, well, well on the way. Yeah, I'm thinking so. That's the plan. Happy 200th. I've been here since the TLJ critique. Wolf and Rags, I found a bit earlier. And I can't thank you enough for everything. This podcast and your videos have done for me to 200 more. Thanks very much. Glad you're here. Glad you enjoy them. It is fucking nuts at this point to, like I said, it's only going to get more and more crazy as time goes on. But it's like, oh, yeah, I remember that five years ago. Nope. Guys, remember the last Jedi? Oh, my God. Remember the last Jedi? Remember how much worse they got? Well, so the film's so bad, it made many people reevaluate how they value film. Yeah, it is pretty crazy, isn't it? Like it just happened for a lot of people. It's like, fuck, it's something wrong. It's something very wrong. I can't figure it out. What has happened? Congrats on Stream 200, Mola, Rags, Fringy, Lads. You. Oh, thanks. Serious. Talking about difficulties in games reminds me of the streamer who regularly streamed Dark Souls and Elden Ring, rage quitting at the final boss of the arena in Kirby and the Forgottenland. Well, I was talking for you about this. I've been playing. I know it's not as Nintendo as those, but Mario Rabbids. Nintendo adjacent, the hardest. I recently beat the hardest challenge in the game. It was fucking difficult, like to. And the way they do it in there is that you can fucking say you can choose your whole team, you can choose. You can't even fully upgrade them. Let's say they have they have like 10 moves. You probably can't fully upgrade them if you find every single orb. But I didn't. I found most orbs like 95 percent. So it's like I could get about 85 percent of my moves unlocked. Now, you have stuff that's like, you know, unlock Luigi's drone strikes sort of thing that you could upgrade the drone strikes damage. So it's like, oh, I want that. You can also upgrade is like standard total health. And so what I ended up doing was trying to get all of the damage upgrades and then just try and play well enough that I could survive because I wasn't getting hit very much. And like that causes issues because as much as the damage was amazing in that final challenge, you need everything. And it was like it was like ultimate challenge. I can't remember what they called it. I think they might be called impossible, but it's like, you know, escort toad to the end of the map. This is like an XCOM style gameplay. But as famously people may know, I'm not a fan of XCOM, but I'm a very big fan of Mario Rabbids Kingdom Battle. And yeah, you'd be like escort toad to the end of the map. And it's like, oh, I've done lots of escort missions. It's like turn limit 30. It's like, oh, God, the map is like enormous and just absolutely stuffed with enemies is the final challenge. And it's like, good luck. And he's like, yeah. And I think I'm sorry. Yeah, just just say that it was extremely difficult. And I wonder if kids would ever have a chance of be able to beat it. I was going to say that I think like it's kind of with Nintendo games. There's obviously it's pretty clear and especially like the Mario series that there is this desire to make a game that's accessible. Like for everybody that's like pretty easily approachable. And then even like on the main track, you know, as it scales up in difficulty, it doesn't get too hard at the end. But then there's like the extra levels after the game, you know, like after the main game, the extra levels. And that's where it starts to get really difficult. Like that's that's like a tradition that seems to carry through in a lot of Nintendo games is the main thing you can get through. And it's relatively straightforward and not too difficult. But then there'll always be parts that it's like, well, you can you can do that if you want, Nintendo still makes like post game stuff, you know, that's just part of the game where it's like, yeah, you beat it. Here's like 50 more levels and go do that. Um, yeah, that's the thing. I'm going to be trying out the second one soon enough. And I'm looking forward to the starting out nice and easy. And Nintendo will be like, oh, you want to try the final boss? It's all tough. Oh, you want to try the final boss challenge version? You sure? You then you do on my game. Love your content. More and fellow members of the toxic brood found EFAP in 2020, but decided in February of this year to start watching from the beginning. Currently just finished. EFAP 143 got a long way to go. But loving every moment, Don's blessings. Yeah, I mean, jokes about it. But like it's stacking up to be able to catch up on this TV show that is life. Yeah. Oh, while. And that's, you know, some people, some people will be like, I'm going to watch all of it and the minis. I like double the time. Yeah, cool. I love how Final Fantasy 14 handles microtransactions. The store for them is not accessible in the game once. Sorry. Not accessible in the game once so ever. I think they mean whatsoever. And the only way I see the items in game is to go to end. Is to go in and lay in a bed and it's cosmetic slash event stuff. So you guys know anything about it in game? No, I've got no clue. I was going to ask for the thing about it. It's not accessible in game once so ever. But you can see the items if you lay in a bed in the game. That sounds like it's accessible in the game. Unless they mean that it's not accessible anywhere else. It's like it's not a menu that you bring up or like it's not insistent to see it. Like, are you sure you don't want to buy some microtransactions? It's mostly something you can find as like a bonus. But I mean, yeah, there's loads of approaches to all of it. But it's better than worse. We haven't done a full on microtransactions discussion in a while, I think. Nor have I played enough modern video games to be able to compare to how much worse it's probably gotten. You know, I like to avoid games that are heavy on microtransactions anyway. You never know when they'll pop up. Assassin's Creed Odyssey and Valhalla were like that, Fringy. Well, like, what? I'll help you there. I can't get up the context. You've got to remember, sometimes we'll be listening to this an indeterminate amount of time after the stream. You know, that thing, you know, that you were talking about. Two hundred shout out to Shuniko, the Gremlin Queen. All right, yeah, five Gremlin Queen. The Queen of all gremlins. Really? Yeah. First super chat ever. So happy I got to pop in for the huge two hundred. Just finished the last three anniversaries last week's two. Oh, you were here. And thanks for the first super chat. That's neat. And they said, thank you for making work better. No, very welcome. We're glad that we made your work better. Greetings, Long Brethren. I'm enjoying EFAP 200 and for many more to come. I also enjoyed the segments in MOM Rage with the pizza dog. Ah, that's probably Wolf. He likes pizza. All right. Close enough to a dog, I suppose. Um. Used to work in GameStop. You've got to be 18 with ID. Boom, this is referencing how it works for being in game access to games. But I was able. I think I was able to buy Resident Evil for my first M game before I was 18. Either they didn't really care, or maybe I had an adult with me so they could vouch for me, might have been what the system was. But I don't know how strictly to that sort of thing. Got Resident Evil one on GameCube and Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance. Both too violent for me at the time, but my parents didn't care. And I was tall enough to convince the person that the thing that I was older. Oh, it's fun. Lots of games out there surprise me with their contents, including but not limited to Predator Concrete Jungle, where you stab people with spears and tear out their flesh and stuff. And you're like, oh, my God, they actually animated all this face. It was a fun game. You know what you're there for? I'm not good at Souls games, but I'm not going out to try and change it because I suck at it. People who complain about difficulty are dumb. Yeah, I mean, as their difficult games should exist. And a lot of people who like certain kinds of games are glad those kinds of games are difficult. Yeah, because we had a whole discussion about artistic expression that relates to difficulty, right? Because a lot of people don't see it that way central. It's that central, I think, to the discussion is the I just get the impression sometimes that difficulty is perceived as this like arbitrary metric in a game that can be adjusted on a women that that ought to be the case in every game rather than a decision on the part of the developers, depending on what kind of experiences they want to facilitate for players. Yeah, because the difficulty of a game absolutely will determine your behavior in it. Yeah, and I mean, it's I I imagine in the case of like the from soft games, I get this sense that there's a sort of meta to the to the difficulty in the sense that any person you talk to, you know, that they ultimately went up against the same thing as you. They may have had different weapons or different strategy, but ultimately they went up against the same foe as you. So there's like kind of an interesting sort of shared experience that can be facilitated with a consistent difficulty setting. It's just I don't know. It's just yeah, it's a little bit more complicated. As far as I'm concerned, then every game should have it as like what it's always bombing like elitism and being wanting to feel better than other people is like an explanation for all of this just is lame to me. Come on, you can give it a bit more than that for thought. So just assuming that I want it to be harder so I can beat it where you can't. And then I can say I'm better than you. That's my whole thing. Right. I mean, there may be some people who feel that way. But I mean, yeah, like it is really easy to argue against the dumbest version of your opponent, you know, or like the I don't know how to explain when like I said, certain mechanics that show up in games are just they disappoint when you're expecting to play for a challenge. And it's like funnily enough, throughout Mario and Rabbids, every single mission begins with an option to hit Y and it gives your team full health and 50 percent extra max health. And I was just like, yeah. Well, yeah, it's what kind of experience of people looking for in a games in games and especially in the case of a game with a story, the difficulty can be leveraged very deliberately in service of that story and difficulty settings can seriously diminish the way that difficulty can be leveraged in that regard. Yeah. Easy mode for Twister, where you just lay on the dots. Well, that's going to count, though. It's not going to be quite as fun. You even playing now think about. Think about chess is really cool in the way that the difficulty of that. It's the same rule set every time. It just comes down to how your opponent is, yeah. Yeah, that's the only difficulty of it is how good is the person you're trying to beat? Funny, by the way, because that summarizes the entire conversation where if that easy mode on Twister is lying down and someone else says, yeah, but you're not playing Twister at that point, it's like, there you go. That summarizes the whole thing. Like doxels are easy. Well, you're not really playing doxels at that point. It's like, how dare you? It's like a little bit. OK, how much of your thing has to be changed so that it can be appealing to someone who wasn't into it in the first place? Something that I don't think gets spoken about enough when it comes to that point is, you know, like if somebody reviews a video game and it's like, what difficulty do you play it on? Easy. It's like I wasn't planning on playing it on that difficulty. So like your perspective is is valuable only to a point now, depending on the level that you are playing out or your level of skill compared to mine. You know, like a like a pro in the same way in the office, right, like if a pro gamer or something reviews like like a competitive game or reviews the game that they're playing, it's like, well, that's not necessarily going to be helpful for me. It's a perspective that can be valuable for sure. But like just the different levels of play are going to it just, you know, it changes how you perceive the game. It invariably will change the quality of the game. Well, like your experience of it anyway. Yeah. Respect, autistic vision for Sonic Slash, the loss of us two, but if it's too hard and I don't like it, that argument is stupid. And yeah, a lot of the I mean, they're the ones who often, you know, bitch about, oh, I can't believe that those the audience, you know, the it strains, they try to make like they try to make the general populace, some antagonistic force with this. Oh, I this this. I think they would say though that like storytelling choices could be artistic only and the mechanical choices because you know this better than than everyone that it's always certain people will drift the conversation over to accessibility rather than difficulty. They will keep combining the two and then they'll make it a moral thing of. Oh, yeah, that's the yeah, that's like something Jim Sterling has been doing for years now. And yeah, it's but there will be I mean, the hypocrisy will go further than that in terms of like, yes, autistic vision and storytelling until it tells a story that I think it's fucking bullshit, like that that would likely come up to. And I think to a degree, it'll apply to a lot of us. But I would like to assume that, you know, like if someone said you think they should be allowed to have made loss of us to the way that is like, yeah, of course, it's just that there's going to be repercussions for this. Like when you just like TLJ is the same thing. I guess it's it's generally it's better to say I don't like it rather than it shouldn't have been made this way. Like, yeah, if you're if you're yeah, because like those sort of claims about the choices that they should have made narratively or from a design standpoint, it's like you can talk about how they're good or bad, but telling people how they ought to do it. You know, like calm down. Lord Longbaugh of Mewsrington Abbey, are you still planning for a Kongfap of Peter Jackson's long Kong when there's less going on? Please don't. At this point, the Kongfap can't possibly live up to the hype. Also, high rags. Oh, hello. I don't know. We might do a really good job. Disagree. I think I think the long, the long Kong will be great when it around. Never that may be. It'll be an e-fap movies for the ages, I might even say. I would say that it would be get hype. Congrats on 200. Thank you for the many laughs and things I've been able to learn while e-fapping. Mola, don't sweat the losers. Long man, good. I agree, long man. I'd say so. I'm pro long. It goes in you. Long is pretty long. Long is pretty neat. I give it that. I look forward to the CGI in Badgers animation. CGI in Badgers. Badgers animation. I do not know what that's referring to. The only reference I have to Badgers is what I usually end up saying about Tumenaya. The Terminator was a mechanical Badger sent from the future to know that if you need to transport weaponry and the cover and flash, just put a pistol in a badge or whatever and then take it. Yeah. It's a simple solution. I mean, I mean, if the stakes like these, yeah. Hell, yeah, you're going to do some weird things. Happy 200, you nitpickers. Keep harvesting the nits. Sure, plenty more to come. The knit harvest, it's a it's a bumper crop this year. Hello, EFAP crew. Happy 200. And thank you for all the hard work you put into the channel and your own works. Two rags. I greatly enjoy your deep cut RLM references. Also high rags. Oh, hello. Thanks. I watch them a lot, so I know a lot of the references. And I'm glad that our editors also can get those references, too, depending on who they are. It's nice to see that the plane that goes into hell and stuff like that. I enjoy it. I like it. Well, destination will clear it up. Halloween of twenty twenty two is over. And it's right. It is no venture that was. We have left spooky ween and we have gone back into cozy pumpkin spice and hay bales and and autumn leaves. I feel like November gets torn between Christmas and Halloween. Like the opening half is like Halloween recovery and then Christmas buildup is the second half. Yeah, I mean, I love its own identity. Yeah, I do wish that people would sort of respect November's, you know, being it's it's identity. It's being it, you know, being its own thing. I love Christmas, but November's a really cool. It's a really cool time. So I guess because Fringy's in the southern hemisphere, it would it wouldn't be, you know, the same for him where or maybe it would because it's it's it's in between because because of the northern southern hemisphere. Summers and winters are reversed, right, in terms of when they show up, right? Yeah, so I know it's spring, but over over where you are, it's autumn or fall. Yeah, fall or autumn. It is it is indeed fall. November is the fall month, it seems. It's it's it's that Thanksgiving is the it's the fall holiday. Oh, yeah, October. Yeah, I guess I guess it depends because October is spooky. And November is cozy. I don't want to say I'd call with with the October vibes is like all the leaves having orange like yes. Because technically. Winter in the northern hemisphere begins on December the 21st. So Christmas pretty much kicks off winter, even though it might not necessarily depends on where you might be over here. It's been very mild. We've had we've had very mild weather this year, so it doesn't feel like November. But it is odd to think that it's only winter begins and then four days later it's Christmas. Guys, you always overthink reasons for Jim and lefties to complain. They're driven by Hegelian thought. The issue is that this isn't communism, so they complain until it's communism. That's it. Be fair, our whole show is taking the argument for what it is and addressing it. What they say is what they say is mind-reading thing. Sometimes we'll describe motivations behind what we believe the argument is in truth, but like I do always want to take an argument for what it is, what it's said to be. That's the way to do it. That's when you start trying to infer intent. That's when you start to get into a weird, awkward area. Well, I mean, they do it all the time, but we're we are dismissed because people are like it's clear what they're up to. They're trying to create a system that makes all of their feelings correct and everyone else's feelings incorrect, which is so wrong and not even close to our attention. Like, yeah, good luck with that. Can you address what we actually said, please? So I'd rather do that for everyone else as well. Yeah. EFAP deciding to stop covering premium Jared content completely ruined their artistic vision, hoping for one more this stream for all time's sake. I think we're all good on that. I think the age of Jared is behind us. It's like it's like the 8th, the second age. Well, I guess it's not behind us because we have that TV show that we have to watch. Yeah, two years. Thank God we get a break. Congrats on 200. I'm currently watching one to two, so won't hear this for a while. I'm a frequent visitor to Wales. Any tourist spots you recommend, Moeller? I think of what would be in Wales that wouldn't be in other spots of Britain? Because obviously countryside stuff got quite a lot to show off. But there's not really big old fun landmarks and things to necessarily visit in Wales that isn't in other parts of Britain. So I'm assuming this is because you live in Britain and you go into Wales or the I guess I would have to go and look at what what what did people outside of Wales like to look at when they come to Wales? They like to come, you know, maybe have a look at the street. Yeah, that's something that my dad had mentioned. He said, you know, maybe one day we'll go to Mary Old England, you know, fuck London and the cities and stuff. We're going to go out into the countryside. We're going to go out, visit all the little towns that will go to the next town, wherever it's got a different accent. Then we'll go to the next little town and we just go around all the pastures and all the fields and, you know, get that more pastoral rural, you know, experience, which is what I would be down for. I would be big into that. No, make it stop. Doesn't does it Wales have more sheep than people or something? Or is that like New Zealand or something? So I'm pretty sure we looked into this because Wales is known for sheep. And New Zealand is known for sheep, but also Australia has a lot of sheep. Yeah, yeah, we did talk about they're all top stories. They're all top scores. But I think the ratio of sleep to people sleep. Sheep to people, I think on countries with motion. Well, I've got it. I've got well, I've got the sheep per person. Wales has three sheep per person. There is a yeah. And you and Australia has more. Australia has three point three sheep per person. I think that's what we concluded is that Australia actually has it. And I'm pretty sure New Zealand's ratio is really good as well. It is. OK. So here's more sheep is better. You're the top three. The top three are Australia with three point three per person. New Zealand has seven point seven sheep per person. And the. The Falkland Islands has two hundred sheep per person. Bully, Bully, the unsuspected, unsuspected island. There's only thirty five hundred people in the Falkland Islands, but it has seven hundred thousand sheep. Tony, if only they knew it's like all those zebras being chased by lions like man, if you all just realize that you outnumbered the lions six hundred and twelve take a lot and then think you can solve your problems. But they just don't think like that. Opinion on the overduct and ovary of avians. Overduct and aviary. Overduct, ovary of avians. Oh, overduct. It's like. I mean, I have no opinions on it. I know they have like I know birds have a I have a cloaca. It all comes out in one. Right, they don't have like different sets for males and females. It's just a general purpose whole that just sort of takes care of everything. But I don't I don't really have any opinions. I like what we have going on personally, but I don't I just don't. Birds aren't birds aren't sexy to me, I guess. You know, I just it's not something I think about. Crazy birds are beautiful and they're all look at the birds. Birds are great. Yeah, I like birds. Birds are really cool. You just made us watch Jim Sterling doing his aristocrat character in full makeup with the Femboy voice and medieval music. Can I have all my money back? So is that the is that the Femboy voice? I don't you. Is that the voice that's just in boy? It's just supposed to be posh British, right? That's the idea. That's like, yeah, hyper exaggerated posh British. It's not a Femboy voice. If you if we've all done that before where we do the yeah, oh dear. This is what it's absolutely new. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's not the Femboy voice. If you think it is, then your personal preference education in the matter of Femboyery, that's what that means. Absolutely. That's weird. That's not the Femboy voice. Congratulations, long man, on 200 episodes. Remember to drink water and respect your parents. Of course. Definitely drink water and. Yeah, respect your parents if they are respectable. Yeah, that's probably what we've mentioned. It's like watching a pro sports team win and then claiming we won. It's fine if you enjoy it, but don't pretend you did something. It's that the sports thing is yeah, it's a it's a sort of. It's a sort of when it comes to I've never I was never into sports in terms of being a fan of sports like I would never put on a team's baseball cap. And walk down the street and whenever I saw someone with the same team's baseball cap, you know, like we had like this brotherhood, that was never a thing for me. I was never into sports. It's so I don't really know that kind of mindset, this sort of shared. Like you don't have a. It's almost like being a fan is its own identity that exists independent of the sport itself, almost. It's a it's a growth from the sport. But it's at the same time dependent on the sport existing and there being a commercial market behind it. But at the same time, it's its own thing entirely. It's it's tough to say it's it's almost like people who watch. Do you think there's a parallel between people who are really into watching sports teams and people who might be fans of the same streamer? Oh, yeah, we we watch, you know, you and I. Oh, you watch Destiny. I watch Destiny, too. Yeah, I really like a stream of that stuff. That's that's that makes us the same in a way. It's something we could share and bond over. I guess because you have the ultimate umbrella of you and I both really like this sport. So that's one thing. And also we enjoy this one particular sports team. So it makes it a little bit more specific. And that's always a good intro to anything in terms of like they must enjoy it for similar reasons. And if they don't, that'll be interesting to discuss anyway. You know, like you can't lose sort of thing. But then there's a good start. Yeah, I. I wouldn't enjoy really is like I'm not into sports, as I said. But I would be into like tailgating me. You know, it's it's Sunday, the football games on or it's Saturday and you're going out there and you're hanging out with your friends and you're you're cooking food and you're having, you know, a good social time and the game is sort of what facilitates all of that happening. Like I'd be down and I'd be down for that. But the sports thing itself, you know, it's. It's more the experience, you know. But hello there, humans and humanoids, also high rags. Hello, when will EFAT movies return? People with a good work. Well, I had five of them, I think, six there. Yeah, yeah, enjoy those. I've seen a lot of people causing like, good God, I want EFAT movies back. And it's just like, yep, they just they're tough to get completed. But my goodness, are they fun? Aren't they? They're wonderful to watch. I love watching them to forty one episodes of EFAT movies. Like that. Yeah, something like that. Yu-Gi-Oh card of the day is neck hunter. Neck hunter. Neck hunter, Yu-Gi-Oh. Oh, this card. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember this one of the oldie boys. Let me copy and paste it for you. It a lot of the cards seem to have, like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh lacks that unified sort of design element to them. And a lot of them have it just like it seems like a random monster design pasted on some abstract background. And that's it. There's just, you know, a fiend that wields a mean sickle and fires devastating beams from its eyes. OK. Wait, it's eyes. Yeah, hold on. I feel like someone fucked up. Well, maybe there's a secret eye on its back of its head. I don't know. Maybe, maybe it has another eye. Maybe it's like it's its name for that's all or something. I don't know. I am very, you know, oh, those all the Yu-Gi-Oh days. It's one of the things I did appreciate about Magic the Gathering is that they're especially with the sets that's like, you know, in Astrod and stuff. There was you could tell that all the cards sort of came from a particular like universe, a shared world. So you'd see recurring symbols, recurring armors and characters and mentions of, you know, this, that and the other thing in the sets that made it feel like they all belong to each other. Like a set was really a set, a properly, you know, grouped together bunch of cards and stuff, just random shit. Yeah. Hour two of 24. You're making progress. Wait, was that something that's been then free? Oh, it's just kind of funny. Two hours. It's like, yeah, how much more was there left? Just a handful, I'm sure. It'll be totally fine. What an adventure coming all the way from TLJ and EFAP 12. Thank you for the eye opening perspectives and teaching me how to become a better artist. Be proud of your achievements, you massive high rags. Hello. Quite a lot of praise. Thank you very much. Hope things are going well. It's my birthday today. Congrats on the 200th. Happy belated birthday. I hope you had a Fordwood balloon cake or whatever else you humans do with birthdays. Happy fourth anniversary. Summer is almost over. October is coming. October is coming. It's almost here, guys. Are you ready for Halloween? It's so close. That's something we need to do. Halloween with Alps, Bride, Nightmare for Christmas. Frank and Weenie, probably. Oraline. Oraline, yeah. I think there was no Jack and the Giant Peach, right? That was also James and the Giant Peach. Yeah, Jack and the Giant Peach. Yeah, James and the Giant Peach. I think I'm going to say Jack and the Giant Beanstalk. And I was like, is that what I was thinking of? That's where it all got fudged. Yeah, that's where it all got fudged. I would be I'd be down for watching those because I have only seen James and the Giant Peach and Nightmare for Christmas. I haven't seen the others. I happen to love Coraline, so I would be on board with watching all of them. I'm staying Coraline, but I hear it's really great. So who surprised me? I only checked it out casually. I was like, yeah, whatever. And then by the end of it, I was like, oh, my God, that was great. Good stuff. But yeah, all right. Well, there you go. Coming soon or not someday. Happy 200 massive mother yuckers. Looking forward to four more years of pedantry, eloquence and deep, deep analysis. What you're going to love deep analysis is what you're going to get. Anything is a dildo if you brave enough, which is why my ass looks like post-nuke Hiroshima. Be brave, my friends. And I said, Bilbo Baggins quote. It must have been it must have been one of those deleted scenes that never made it into the final. Could be in the appendices, I haven't read them. Yeah. So it could. So if it's in the appendices, then it might be in rings of power. They might have that, you know, games don't have to be fun like Soma. Yeah, I don't think anyone would describe Soma as fun, but they would put an asterisk on it to explain. Well, yeah, we generally say engaging. Kind of funny because like my brain, when I think of like Mario and Rabbid's funds, like absolutely. Got a war? Like what? Yes, but, you know, and then Soma's like, no, it's not, it's not. And yet all three of them I consider to be top notch. It's just like. EFAP, it's amazing to think if how much this podcast has affected me. I haven't been able to watch as much since some personal things that consume my time. Thank you very much. And I wish you all a great year. Also, high rags. You. I hope everything's going all right, whatever it is you're up to. Greetings, toxic brood. Currently binging EFAP to Mola. Listening to you for dozens of hours has convinced me you're actually de-aged. Charles, dance. I wish. You imagine Charles dance on YouTube? Yeah, you can just pay him to say things. Viewing movies. I want to see him review TLJ. It'd be funny. Yeah, it would. Oh, Mario Rabbids. Why not on Charles? What do you have to say about it? We just pay him money to pace in a room for our movie a little bit and just be sort of ornery. We just waste him. Do you recall when you were 200 percent sure that Silco railed jinx in the lake? I think he's a pissed, OK? But yes, he was. You could see how he got there, but he was a bit off. Yeah, he was. You can appreciate his conviction. I'll say what I said back then, which was feel like I would have remembered it if he had kissed her on the on the paper, and it feels like something I would have gotten. I'd probably find it a little awkward. Oh, no. Doomers here getting PTSD flashbacks to when Silco tongue blasted jinx. The late Bala days. Oh, geez, Bala days. I can imagine Silco's voice saying Bala days. I just want our cane season to give me pick Duma, Duma sucks. Wow. So mean. Wow. Dara O'Brien's set about video games is relevant here. I remember watching that. I'm done in ages. He's a funny dude. Re familiarize myself. Um. You, the player paid $60. You can do whatever you want. Jim Sterling, not on a fracking multiplayer game. You are alternating other people's alterated. Sorry, altering other people's experiences who paid 62. Any mod that alters gameplay in a multiplayer setting is wrong. Um, I mean, that's that's a whole conversation, right? That though, right? I don't think anybody would be claiming they're talking about mods for multiplayer. I imagine that's generally going to apply to single player games. In terms of difficulty settings, custom mods that actually change mechanics in multiplayer, it ever was allowed to do over the world. That would just be chaos. Like, absolutely. That what hope could you have to balance games in that world? Tomato Anus does great speed run breakdowns. Guest. Maybe that's cool. Kind of fun to have a speed runner on sometimes. Yeah, he'd help us speed run. He could give us tips on how we can speed run an EFAP. Happy 200, you toxic messes. My only critique for EFAP after 200 episodes is that I need more rags. Also, the blob for EFAP movies, maybe. Which one? I assume they're talking about the Darabont one, but I would. I like the idea of the blob. Yeah, we could watch them both back to back. That would be interesting to get, you know, the old one from. Oh, what was the original? 1958, I guess. So, yeah, the 58 and 88 one, yeah. What about games like Left 4 Dead, Resident Evil 4 and One Finger Death Punch? The better you do, the harder the game gets. That's what makes them so engaging. Is that an acceptable artistic vision? What we're talking about, I don't think we should lock that out as a experience the developers trying to create as opposed to no developer. We need alternative versions. Yeah, but this is what I want to make. It's like that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not too ready to start saying things like unacceptable artistic visions. But yeah, we're trying to avoid it as best we can. Yeah. This whole conversation about fun seems to be stop with the fandom hazing and banter. How dare you gatekeep my lowest common denominator inclination? Enjoy your year's super chat harvest, fellas. Thank you. And this is the thing. I don't want to go too hard on the other person's perspective as being like, you're just sad because you suck at video games. It's like, no, no, we can we can find the happy medium of your genuine concerns on both sides. There are people who really do fucking struggle. Like if I try to get my fucking mom and dad to complete, I don't know, Resident Evil 4, they'd be like, this is incredibly difficult. I'd be like, yeah, I guess so. I knew it would be on the easiest difficulty, they would be saying that. And just because, yeah, they're so unfamiliar with games. And that locks them out of enjoying the story potentially. And so should it be that way? And it's like, no, it's complicated. This one just says press X to doubt. I wonder if we'll get further with that. X is doubt, F is respects. What are the other letters? Press W for forward. Why wasn't it just a cut scene? It was so funny. Why do they make you press A? It's like a it's like a real funeral for your best friend who got killed in war. He was like, the two I want to be the best things that I have related to that, a one that it did become a thing and that people like without people will do it as a joke these days, they'll do it for real. They will they will throw an F into the chat when they want to pay respects. Like it's it's culture like internet cultures evolve to that point. As much as it's done as jokes as well around the horn. Yeah, it's moved all the way back around to just being like press F. It's earned. It's earned. It's nice to be a meme. I know I've told this on EFAP before, but I'll say it again once per year or so. I think Gary, when introduced to the idea of press F to pay respects, had no clue where it was from. He just knew that was an internet thing and he took it to literally mean you press F whenever there's respect to be given to anything. And so you would literally like I remember being on these streams, just feel like what the fuck you'd be like, thank you so much to the bond. Mod robotics and you name a couple of people who've been bonding the chat to make sure it's safe and you'd be like, can everyone just press F to pay respects to the mods, please? It's like, wait, what are you doing? It's like that everyone's spam F and I was just like, wait, who died? He's like, yeah. He's like, what do you mean you died? I was like, well, why else would you know? Because press F to pay respects is like eight years old at this point as a meme. And absolutely incredible. Well, those things still that came up as a conversation, like of the matter of that, that I was like, I think to ask Gary, I was like, do you guys even know where this came from? I think it's from Call of Duty advanced warfare. Yeah, because Gary absolutely did. I was like, this is this is actually hilarious. How language works, I guess, because it's evolved now. Like chat will spam F to let you know the stream is down. That comes from Call of Duty. Like, what the fuck? It comes from some developers standing around the table like, all right, so put like, yeah, make it so that you need to have the interact button to put your hand on the people. It's like, should it be a cut scene? No, it's a Call of Duty interactive. Yeah, the people who buy the people excited for Call of Duty games, they're not going to be able to have the attention span to sit through a funeral. We need to have something in there for them to do and press QTE in a funeral. Like, what the only thing you do with that scene and then you go up to the you go up to the fucking thing and then you press F and then you turn around and become seen place. Why would you make that interactive just but they didn't know they didn't know that that would become the meme that would has more of an enduring legacy than their whole game. That's the part that's really funny. No one remembers that. No one remembers the games even about exactly. Well, it's about Kevin Spacey or something. I don't know, lol, because I played through that whole game and it was something about it was a corporation getting too powerful. So if that game was actually had a story that was worthwhile, it would have explored the soft power that a private military company could enforce on the world just by being such a powerful entity that is freely operating. Like, yeah, it's a Metal Gear Solid thing, right? What does a Metal Gear Solid do? The thing of like private military companies that essentially become nation states in themselves to exert some level of influence. That's what they should have done. But then in the end, it's like, well, no, they're evil and they just invade the world, they go to war and then they blow up the Golden Gate Bridge because, of course, if you make any set piece and is there any other landmark in San Francisco that like in a movie or a video game can be destroyed? Like other than the Golden Gate Bridge, you know, the skyscraper thing, the tallest building there, I think, the little pyramid shaped one, like have an action scene there, I guess. I'm sure some of them. Let me take a look. Have an action scene in Fresno or like Sacramento or something. There are other cities in California than San Francisco and LA. Always LA. Well, it's a feels like it's more often San Francisco than LA, whether you have some crazy set piece like that, doesn't it? I don't know. For some reason, it defaults in my head to more so to LA than San Francisco, but I think stories that are set in films, you default more to New York and LA than that. But as I say, New York is what comes to my mind. Bridge doesn't get blown up that much in movies, you know, like. It didn't get it didn't like Godzilla movie. Yeah, that's the first thought I had to. Yeah, yeah, Matthew Broderick. And then Bane blew it up as well, didn't he? Oh, wait, that was the Bane blew up. Yeah, because he blew it. He separated Gotham as an island. Gotham was an island in that movie, wouldn't it? Because I kept saying no. I was going to say, I don't I don't remember it being an island. Because it lost its identity, right? It gradually just became New York, whereas like the Batman actually made Gotham feel like a real city. So did Joel Schumacher, damn it. Well, he did a he did a job to create like the Tim Burton films as well, like create a style for Gotham. And the Batman begins kind of tried to do that. Like there were places that were kind of like dingy and grimy. But then by the dark night, it was just like New York, Chicago. I feel like Joker gave Joker gave Gotham more character than I love that. Went for the 70s New York vibe, which I think works well for selling. You remember in the Simpsons more when Homer went to New York in the 70s? I do, yeah. And then that he he just goes there and the first thing that happens is everybody keeps stealing his shit and then a seagull steals it. Then I think like some rubbish gets dumped and he throws it at this dude who chases him and with a big strut that he tries to climb up, he tries to climb up the ladder to the fire escape. But he's falling into a hole in the ground, a mad hole. God, that was a great episode. Anyway, next super chat. Do whatever you want with the game you paid for, unless it's removing pride flags. Well, yeah, but people, to be fair, like there are certain things you can do and that people will be like, why are you doing that? And there are plenty of reasonable reasons you can do all kinds of things. But let's just, you know, if so, what actually said, like, I just want to remove the black characters from my game. OK, I find them a little scary. Like, what? Oh, it's just like I guess what I'm saying is like, you know, I'm all full cut of customization of like all kinds of stuff. But if someone was to do certain customizations, they would be like, why are you doing that? Like, what's? Like, hey, I just like bought it, you know? What's what's going on, buddy? In Elden Ring, magic is the easy mode. Well, there's a lot of things that are easy mode and I didn't even use magic. I think metal did and depending. But I thought magic was like the weird thing that generally people are told to not really do as I understand a lot of video games. Like magic ends up being the broken part. Like magic could be something overpowered. I really hate to say this, but like Elden Ring, just like a lot of from software games, they don't make the enemies equipped to deal with magic users. I think magic is harder to deal with, like, fundamentally anyway. Then the game is built for the melee combat. Yeah. And then they introduce the magic stuff and it mostly works OK. But there are some enemies where they just break them. To me, you have a map. Yeah, you need to have a magic system that's almost mechanically similar to to like sort like bows and like how how an enemy would react to an archer should be similar to how they react to like someone trying to throw a lightning bolt or something. I think it's I think it's just tricky, right? Like if you you. I don't know what you guys think, but play it your way as like a mantra for video games, I think is more complicated than a strict good thing. I think that I think that games can benefit tremendously from focus on on a specific gameplay style. Yeah, the more you give a player the harder it becomes to manage the viability of all those options. Like I kind of maintain this and I. This might be I don't know if this is controversial on others. Let's find out. I think that fundamentally, if you're making a stealth game, every single encounter should be completable with stealth. I don't think that there should be any forced action sequences. Who would disagree with that? I'm pretty sure that old games have forced action sequences and they're often heralded as well. Games. Yeah, but I doubt those people would then say it has to be that way. Like, oh, no, I well, I guess it's I guess I my I think human revolution would have been the game that made me go like, this is the way that, like, no, don't do that because that was the biggest problem. Oh, God, I remember playing that game, going through it super duper stealthy. And then I think it was like the second or third major boss in that game. I was stuck in it for like four hours because I just did not build my character to deal with direct combat. I just didn't have the equipment. And that was something that got fixed in the director's cut because it was like the biggest piece of criticism for that game. And finally enough, Deus Ex is not a stealth game. Like Deus Ex is an action RPG, but it's so built around stealth mechanics. It was fun to do stealth. Yeah, I go into a revolution. I had a stealth run with no kills. And I was like, it was really fun to play that way. I love my stealth games personally. Yeah, for a little bit. Yeah, just to clarify like a basic sense, if you were to be given a loadout option of you can focus your double pistols or shotgun or machine gun or a sniper rifle. And you can that's the rather beginning and it's a shooter campaign. If I opt for sniper and it's like I like it when let's say there are five missions and the mission where most enemies are much further away and separated. It's like, oh, the sniper is going to in the same way that Pokemon, right, like the first gym leader might be your easy one compared to the second because of the one you chosen when it gets fucked. That was what you just described. Like if there's just a mission where several guys run right up to you and with the sniper, you're just like, so I'm fucked then. And it's just like, yeah. And it's like, so what was the point of giving me the option when and then all like all the guys are like, no, go shotgun, shotgun. Everyone goes shock. It's just the best one. It's just best throughout the whole. You don't want to be in a situation like that. It's like, don't don't be given options if some of them are just fucking useless. Deus Ex did the cool thing and mankind divided it as well. At the beginning of the game, that always be like, so you want to go lethal or non lethal with your weapons. And when you pick lethal or non lethal, it's like, OK, do you want a long range or do you want short range? Like, do you want a stun gun or do you want a tranquilizer rifle? So like out of the gate, it sets an expectation in your mind of multiple things. One, you have the choice of whether you want to kill people or spare them. And they're probably are going to be consequences narratively for that. And these levels are going to be designed to where there are advantages and disadvantages to long range and short range combat. And that's something you need to think about. I guess those who expand on the point of like action scenes, I think I'm in fact, I'm pretty sure I'm totally OK with games having forced detection sequences as long as they still give you the opportunity to get through those without direct combat. You have to regain your stealth, I guess. Yeah, like the ocean moment happens. Yeah. And then you run to run. Yeah. And then reacquire yourself. Now people are prowling looking for you. But you're you're hidden, but they know you're around here somewhere and they're trying to find you. It's a bad man. It feels like an action sequence, even though it is a stealth sequence. Yeah. And I think I think something I would say is that my preference with a stealth game to incentivize people to play with stealth is to make your character vulnerable that one guy they can handle pretty easily. Two guys, it gets real hard. And three guys is like, I think that you should make it difficult to survive direct confrontations if you've been detected, because I think that there are ways that you must hate people getting access, accessibility to games. Sounds like difficulty to me. Well, it's kind of funny, right? Like with stealth games, when it comes to difficulty, it's kind of a complicated thing. You could like you could have it be that, I don't know, the detection rate is different. But like, yeah, how fast they detect you, what their cone of vision really is, you know, how quickly they move around and how strict the patterns are to the environment, you know, things like that. Auction, it's just that I guess that's the thing with difficulty settings is like difficulty settings on what they will entail for every game is going to be different. Difficulty settings in a platformer, I think this is just true. Like in a lot of platformers, difficulty settings are really hard. That's why most platformers don't have difficulty settings, because what does that look like? You still need to complete the jump. You have to be able to complete the jump. And even if you get the Tanuki suit, like in the white Tanuki suit that gives you longer jumps and vulnerability, you still got to be able to make the jumps. And there are certain types of like platforming obstacles that they can't you can't be helped, right? Like, like, you know how Mario will often have the alternating where like it flips over, like it flips after a certain amount of time. There's not much difficulty settings can do to help you achieve that without like curtailing the challenge entirely. Other games, it's way easier. Just give the enemy more health, give you less health, weapons doing more damage. Maybe they're smarter. That's harder, but like that's an option. Some games, it's like, what the hell do you do? What can you do for people? There's like a base level of competency that's required to complete the objective in a way that's different from other games. Like in a sense, right? We're talking about like in an XCOM style game. If there's like certain mission parameters that you have to complete at the end of the day, you need to understand those parameters and execute them. That requires some base level of competency, a level of competency that it's not really possible for a game to give you. Like a game can't give you the capacity to understand what your objective is and how you need to go about doing it without curtailing the challenge, kind of like in a puzzle game, right? There comes a point where the only way they can help you is to just tell you how to complete a puzzle. And at that point, what are you and some games against the point where they'll do that now for the sake of accessibility? But I guess the problem is that there has to be a cap on that before it's like, so like if you're playing Portal 2 and then it's like press hint and the highlights where you need to shoot and exactly what you need to shoot, like which port, you know, like the portals and the locations you need to put them in or like which type of gel you need to get on the floor first. How many times does it tell you that before you're not even playing the game anymore? You just follow in a post internet society. Where all that stuff's online anyway. Yeah, you could at least that to me is almost better. I get to the point where you go, I don't know, I'm going to search it up because at least you watch someone else maybe do it and you learn from that. Is there at least there's some effort on your part as opposed to just because imagine it like one step worse. Like hold X for X amount of time and then it'll just it'll just run it for you. The computer will take over and shoot where it needs to shoot and then go where it needs to go and be like, that was how it was done now. And they don't even say now you do it. They just go next one. I get I think it's that draws a clearer line. When you have to leave the game and go to the internet and look up the answer. That is such a more defined and obvious line. And it requires the player to go outside of the game knowingly. It requires them to admit I cannot do this. I am going outside of the game to get help that the game isn't really. You know, I'm going outside of the game in it. I don't know. It that it's different when you sort of make the player take that step. It's almost like admitting defeat and the player knows that they know it. They know it. Yeah, it's that it's not that they were helped through the game by the game in a way that feels like intentional, like, oh, the game is helping me through. It's OK. I'll go. It's like, no, when you when you go to the internet and look up the solutions, it's like you are admitting defeat and you know it. And that, you know, that that's an element of the mindset. That objective, when you've looked at that, you know what you did. And you know, yeah, you know what you did. Maybe you don't feel bad. I mean, I think it you're just going to have some people who don't care at all. But I think for the most part, getting players to feel not bad, but kind of like the like sort of like a loser, but not like a big way. That's sort of the thing that it's almost a weapon against it. That's certainly like an attitude that a game can present in terms of the way. I feel like Celeste has to be like one of the stronger examples. Celeste is really hard, but the game has a lot of like affirming messages like throughout it, like, you know, like when you die or when you pause or something, I don't know if it was when you die, but it would be like in the pause menu or like between levels, there'd be quotes like this is hard, but you can do it or even things like if you want to like change the approach that you make with like difficulty settings, that's OK, effectively. You can have an attitude like that for a game, I think is valid. I also think that you can have an attitude of you lost. Fuck you. Try again. Like it's it's all contributes to like the feeling of what a game is and what it's striving to be. And I don't know that it's easy to say that one is necessarily better than the other, but rather that they're just different approaches and mentalities that the game wants to foster in you. Well, yeah, we definitely like the options for the player and everything. There is the sometimes a sense of you lose an experience when you don't keep trying and then eventually win as opposed to I can't do this, I want to play an easy bucket. Yeah. And and I think something that I mentioned in the video that I made, video games are particularly well positioned to evoke feelings of like success and failure in a way that's it's difficult for other mediums because it's it's you you did it. Like when you beat the boss, it's like, yes, like, fuck you. You know, like that kind of feeling that a film is not really going to like it's it's going to be difficult for a film to get that out of you rather than you projecting it onto a different character. And I think that I don't know when I made it to the end of I'm thinking of ending things, I went, yes, I made it to the whole thing. All right. Yeah, I don't think I was I don't think I said yes. I think I was just yeah, you're right. We were we were deflated and you're ready to just do anything else. Yeah. That was not a pleasant life. It was really I did not enjoy that film. No congrats on 200. I would like to ask what stealing things of MMO players using third party tools to cheat out high end raids, diminishing the achievement of beating the content and the devs of banning players for using those tools. I would imagine what the tools are. If I imagine the selling would say that that's not like like a multiplayer. I just I don't get the impression that that's the argument be made. If you were using essentially hacks to get access to resources to. You need to know what the end goal is, essentially, like this is funny, right? If let's say, for example, there's the final level that has like one of the most fun challenges in it. But the only way to unlock it is to get one thousand cores and you can buy the cores or you can grind if I hack the game so I get all the cores so I can access that level and play it. I doubt most people would take too much issue with that. You're like, well, yeah, it's annoying that you have to grind so hard. So you kind of just quick to a sped through it. But if it's a game where you just want to get all the best weapons so that everything is easy and so you hack it to do so, I think people go, why? Well, I don't even claim. But then again, you know, playing like God mode on quake, for example, that's fun. But I've said this before as a comparison, like that was really fun for about five minutes. Yeah, it's like playing Grand Theft Auto with sheets, right? Where you get like body armor, full health or like born in a tank, like the tank is a constant five stars. You just fucking go to war. Like it's it's fun to break a game like in that sense and just go. Yeah, that's that's what your goal is different. Well, it's just it's obviously going to be a different experience. Yeah, because one of the worst would be like, you know, you guys are competing to get the best score and some challenge mission and then I get one that's like a million points better than both of you and you're like, what the fuck? And I go, yeah, not bad. And then one day you like you're in my house playing the game and you see that I've got loads of cheats and hacks and stuff. You're just like, what the hell? And I'm like, yeah, what? It's like so you just you just wanted the prestige. You just lied. And that's that's that's another thing that's going on. There's there's a sense of you want to be able to appreciate this. People for what they actually did versus what they're. You know, and yeah, people will be like season. That's just cruel gatekeeping. It's like it's not the whole because we were trying to explain this. The whole thing is when you say like, oh, man, I beat Dark Souls. And then someone else like, yeah, I did it too with no enemies mode. It's like that's not we didn't play the same thing. It's it's the mean we are not alike. It is it is it is just like, wow, gatekeeper. Like, no reality. Yeah, the implication is that when I say I've beaten something, it means that I went through all the challenges and I I I conquered them, essentially. That's what it means to say that I beat the game. And when you say it, you're talking about something entirely different. You're talking about just because I crossed a finish line somewhere. Yeah, it's like, oh, you beat Dead Space 2 and really hard difficulties. Like, yeah, that's tough. Did you beat on the one where you can only save twice or whatever it is? It's like, no, three times. Yeah, that's hardcore mode. Yeah, that's a that's a different experience. Again, this thing is like, yes, tough or the hardest difficulty. Sure, but the that kind of modifier. That was something I was really happy to do. That's one of my because I have, at least on the Xbox 360, I got all of the achievements for the first and second Dead Space. I played those games a lot. I learned them and you have to do a lot of prep for your hardcore run in Dead Space 2 because you can only save three times. If you die, you go back to your last save. And it's not like a huge deal, you know, but but when you when you're able to do it, you're like, yeah, I've done everything. I've completed all the challenges that this game has. Funny how all that works, because, like, I think for me, you had a I don't know if you would have said this is the same thing, but in God of War 2018, I bumped into two level six enemies when I was like a level like half of one. I think I was super low and everyone in chat when I was fighting them was like, don't you get it? You're not supposed to be here yet. You're not supposed to be killing these guys. And this is like, yeah, no, I know. And then I keep going. And then, you know, like a minute later, someone's like, does he actually not know that he's not supposed to kill these yet? It's like, no, I know. I wish people would keep that in mind. I know what I'm doing is difficult. It's to the point where I need to hit both of them about, let's say, 150 times and if either of them hit me once, I'm done. And it's an enclosed space and they're not exactly slow. They're pretty slow, but there's one move they had that's really fast. Um, incredibly difficult. They took me, I think an hour and a half and I finally beat them. And so it was just like, why would you do that as opposed to going to explore more, get better weapons, get better armor and then coming back and just like clowning them easily? I was like, because that's that's not even the same thing. That's just a that's a different thing at that point. Different experience. Yeah, I knew I could beat them, but it would take a lot from me. A lot of discipline and patience. And then I did it. And it's and so it was like, so it's just your ego. I'd be like, what is defeated a challenge? I don't know. And yeah, when you come across that in a lot of games, be like, it was happening throughout all of God of War, one, two and three. Jesus Christ, every time it said, are you sure you don't want to change the difficulty to be lower? Never did that arrive in such a way that was helpful. I was just like, fuck off. No, I always hate it when a game does that. It's like, stop it. No, it's really me. I want to do it. You're saying I can't do it. I don't appreciate it. I like it when a game says you want to bump up the difficulty. We see it as like I'm just infamous to that. I remember the first time I played it, they're like, yeah, you want to bump it up to hard, it's like hell, yeah, if the game thinks I'm good enough to play it on hard difficulty, sure. I was thinking about that game is balls on hard difficulty, but it's fun. They released the difficulties, I think, for Ragnarok. There's five. I'm going to try and go for the one below hardest, the one below. Give me God of War, if I can pull this off, because the only ballads problem I care about, because if I was if I was playing alone, I'd absolutely go for it, no hesitation. But when it's a stream, it's like I worry sometimes. Yeah, the fuck out of everybody where I get stuck on certain things. You just get stuck for several hours, exactly. Because I was saying to people is like, there's the Niefelheim stuff. It's like Horde mode, in a sense, or Muspelheim, I guess. Both of them are kind of like that. And it's like, I needed to farm both of them to get access. Basically get the best stuff so I could go and fight the Valkyrie. And I was like, you guys aren't going to want to watch that, are you? There's some people like, yeah, yeah. I was like, OK, I don't know. It's hard to tell sometimes what's exciting to stream. Like beating easy enemies for a little while. Like wasn't easy, though. Both of those areas are a bit of a back wall. I clapped when I saw it. Two hundred episodes. E-fap, E-fap, E-fap. Well, are y'all familiar with dairies in stereotypes? Because God of War is my favorite Pokemon, but she gives young dare vibes. What's y'all's favorite type of dare? I don't know what that is. I don't know what a dare is. Got that. No clue. Would love a super cut of Ruby Rose Batwoman and Mandalorian coverage. Super cut. Well, the Batwoman one, maybe that could happen someday when we finish it up, which will happen. People are going to be surprised when that comes to an end. It could be years from now, but it'll happen. As for Mandalorian. I was thinking of releasing a Mandalorian season two super cut at least, because we hadn't actually gotten that one yet. Like the complete versions. Dude, Mandalorian season three is on the way. Yeah, soon. I think it's like early next year, right? Yeah, we still got so much media on the way still. November is a tiny break. And I say that as if November isn't fucking Ragnarok. Yeah. Rags, remember the Hell Regal in BF one or BF three, BF four as a band shotguns in the M16A three? I remember the Hell Regal in battlefield one. It was pretty good. It started out being too good, and I think they nerfed it a bit. And now it then it became a lot more balanced, but it was always strong. The M16A three in battlefield three was always overpowered. So, yeah, I hated that how prominent that gun was in that game because it was just so fucking good. He is mates. Yeah. Remember how the easy mode icon in Wolfenstein is BJ with a pacifier in his mouth? I do. Yeah. Well, people would refer to that as shaming now and that we couldn't do it. And it's horrible. I say, bring back shaming. Yeah, I thought it was funny. Shamed. It is. It's amusing. Mola, thanks for yesterday's great discussion. It was so enjoyable. I hope all of you get to watch a Disney plus show, The Mysterious Benedict Society. I've never heard of it. I've never heard of it either. I'm not sure which discussion you're referring to, but if this was during the anniversary, there would have been the day before. The day before the. Something, I'm sure. I cannot recall off the top of my head now. Dragon's Dogma always taunted me with try again on easy mode after getting smashed by a chimera. Never did it, though. Yeah. A lot of the games don't have a tick box for like, never show this message again. They just keep doing it. It just makes me feel like it's a troll. How are you doing? Hey, hey, you want to change difficulty? You let me know. Just let me know. I'm here. I'm right. If you want, like, come on, press it. You know, you want to know. I don't like that. That game give up that flash game where it just has a giant button that says give up at the bottom. Yeah, if you find it too difficult. Hour three of twenty four. Wow. Considering Jim's physicality, I'd say his resistance to temptation is not very authentic. He would definitely feel a desire to turn it down. Hi, Rags. Hello. There's a feeling of advocate and for those who would absolutely prefer to turn it down, whatever, as though they like trodden on that. I just miss when we could go as far as actually actually implying. It's like, yeah, you just suck at the game and you're angry that they wouldn't have to take that incredibly personally. I was watching the logic respond to a video and Lee, whereas this guy was saying like online multiplayer is a hellscape. Horrible people on the team to you. Unacceptable and causing people to have anxiety when hitting start matchmaking. And I can't. What? Yes. I'm excited when you know. Yes, yes. Oh, no, no. Well, I guess I knew when you hit I start matchmaking. It's funny because it's a lot of it was like with me when I hit start matchmaking, I can't fucking wait to get into a game. So I don't know what retards I'll be paired with and I can make fun of. Yeah, back in there, you know, get back, get back in there and keep trying. Yeah, I'm I'm fine with the idea that some games give you anxiety based off of the kind of experience that they give, either if it's a spooky game or if it's a game that's super high stakes in terms of what you have to lose. But if it's just playing with other people in general makes you anxious, then man, in the video, this guy tells a story about because he goes from toxicity to just it's it's it's men's problem. It's mainly white men's problem. It's toxicity to white male. And he says that I'm specifically. Yeah, yeah, he says it's a he says predominantly white male. Or we got this. Yeah, we'll tell you. You can't speak on this. This is our thing. Longing to a specific race. You wouldn't understand toxicity in 360. You're OK. We do because we're the with the cause of it. But yeah, so he goes on to say he had a girlfriend or whatever. Current girlfriend. The she's playing some games and some guy sends her message without knowing she's a girl saying there's good stuff. Let's play more than she's like, yeah, OK, cool. And they get into back and forth. He eventually finds out she's a girl and he's like, oh, I play like a cop game or something. So yeah, cool. And then he says to test out this this guy's interest in you. You should say, is it cool if my boyfriend plays with me? Let's see if he remains invested. And then the guy apparently was fun. Like, yeah, hell, yeah, no problem. And then didn't make it to the time they were going to be playing and then never to end up again and then blocked you. And he was like, this is just embarrassing, shameful behavior and, you know, many to do better sort of thing. And it's funny because the shed launcher was like, well, I mean, if if he was interested in it, like in that way, and then it's like, can our boyfriend can my boyfriend play with us? I can totally see people being like, I'm right. You're not on the market. So I'll go elsewhere. Because like, I can never. That's not that bad. I was just like, whatever, you know, that's the most subtle way of being. Basically, like meant to me that it's bad to like that if if you want to pursue like a romantic relationship with somebody and then you find out that that's not an option, like that you should then continue. People are allowed to like form the relationships or pursue relationships like as they please. I think I'm interested in that. That's it, right? What the guy wants to sell, I think, is that if she were a guy, he would have made a friend there and been like, woohoo, fun, fun, fun. But it was a girl. So you immediately like, I want to fuck you and then found out she's off off the table and now I don't have any value for you because you're a woman. Is that like, oh, I mean, I don't know. That's genuinely good for me. If I met one of you guys like through Gears of War Two or something, I was like, this is fun. We should play. And then, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, let's set up some co-op campaign or let's set up some execution team, two v twos and stuff. And then one of you was just like, do you mind if I bring my girlfriend? I probably be like. Blocks, how does the podcast end? It's just it's just like a child to talk about. It's like, that's just it's just kind of weird. Like when you're like, hey, what? You want to be a third wheel? Like, not really. I was inviting you to play games. Who's the other person that, uh, yeah, you know, but at the same time, Wiz K. Cenari, the guy was like, ah, girl who plays games, sweet. And then it's like, she's taken like, oh, like what a demon. I don't know how you survived. I mean, I'm sure that I'm sure that this happens with, like, like it was going the other way. If it was like a lesbian, right? You know, if it was a girl who found another girl, who was a lesbian and she said, can I bring my, you know, is it okay if our girlfriend joins us? Are we sure? I'm pretty certain the same thing would likely happen. Good chance, yeah. All the guys are curious enough to interact and ask questions just to, there's always a, always a chance he could be just toxic in the other ways. Like send me pictures of you guys together. Another video can be made about how evil men are. I guess it's just, when you couch it in the context of online gaming when like these sorts of interactions happen all the time or guys, these girls that he's interested in, and then they're like, yeah, my boyfriend and I, it's like, ah, that's just like true. And this is a, it can be like, it can be cringe that relates to it and stuff, but at the same time, like, you know, I'm so bored of, like she helped did this, where it's just like shaming men for even trying to. How dare men pursue women romantically? Well, I, yeah, like, I don't know. It just feels like we're at a particularly mean spirited like era of life right now. Um, it's funny that the guy goes on like a be elongated rant about how women suffer in every way shape and form down to literally just like someone in the call might go, wait, you're a girl? And they'll go, yeah, that that alone is like described as this horrifying experience that no one should have to deal with. And I think just pause it for a while and he's like, I'm just not going to talk to women anymore. Like that's the solution. I mean, that's, well, if you don't talk to women, then you're sexist for not talking to women. This, this feels so dated, man. This feels like a description of online gaming in 2010. Well, like in 2022, around, I still would probably try to defend it a little bit. It's surprising when you cover it's mostly guys when there's well, it's, it's, uh, it's kind of those, you know, the, the memes, right? We're like, I'm not sure when it happened, but when it started getting said like, it's 50 50 split for video games. It's like, we're sure. But when you break it down, mobile gaming versus console on PC games. Yeah, it's always that mobile. Well, yeah. Cause with mobile games, women do play mobile games more than men. But for like first person shooters, I'm pretty sure the ratio is like 10 to one easily. It just feels like a kindergarten almost shit. Maybe I'm being too dismissive, but like, you know, kid pushes you, you push them back done. It pushes you. And then you go, I'm telling everybody and then you get the tension of parents and like, Jesus, the comparison being, of course, someone says there's a literal like house that you're assaulting together in whatever game. And then you're like, oh, you're in the kitchen. You must feel at home like the girls playing with you. And then she fucking reports you and you lose everything versus just her being like, you know, Oh, you're in the, oh, we're in the garage or the bathroom or something like that. You know, if the bit like flat back, she's weak. Like, like, like if you're playing in the bathroom, it's like, make sure to put the toilet seat down. You fucking idiot or something like just barbarian. Yeah, banter, just some fun banter. If someone could say something that mild and you just crumple up, there's like, then you're just a weak person and I don't want to be around you. Like a pose and then how often do you even talk to women? Just like to that person because like you can do all kinds of counters and the funny thing is I way prefer seeing videos like that where girls have snapbacks that are really witty. It's like pretty funny. It's good memes. But encouraging them to report them for toxicity. It's like, oh, fuck's sake. Yeah, because dudes make fun of dudes like always. This isn't this isn't unusual. Look at metal guy. It's just normal. It's run of the mill when guys do this to other guys. But when it happens to a woman, it's like, oh, I can't bully. Can you believe that someone made fun of a woman on the Internet is like, sorry, but guys. I feel like a highlighted part of what's annoyed about it is that a lot of girls will put up their own sort of thing. That's some other guy might come along and be like, it's cruel. They did that to you. Let us let us make a video essay to defend you. She's like, no, I'm fine. He's like, no, no, what happened was wrong. It must be protected. I mean, it's just it's kind of like the nature of online gaming or just online spaces like that. There's always going to be some level of toxicity no matter what towards everybody really ultimately like there's always going to be. I don't know that there's any way to stop that. I think that that's I think that that's an inevitable consequence of competition online. Yeah, in a space where people are rowdy and competitive as well in a relatively low consequence environment to like it's just an extremely low consequence. The stakes when you're playing a game with someone online are just like virtually non-existent. Pretty much. And I think that that encourages a certain type of behavior that is less likely to occur in real world interactions. And I think yeah, it's just that essentially as an individual what you need to be able to do is to maneuver through that space in a way where you can be comfortable and happy. And a lot of that comes down to understanding what the space is and trying not to let that shit like get beneath your skin. Like if someone's being an asshole. I mean, even now who even who even uses like in game chat anymore to like talk to each other and video games. That's the thing is like another. I mean, it might still be alive and well in many games. It's just that I'm not playing them. So yeah, those aren't the ones I typically play. Generally, I mean, text chat on PC is a big thing and people say we vile things to each other because it's it's a competitive game. And if someone yeah, it's it's it's that's just what people say. People say nasty things to each other anonymity and distance plus humanization from our consequences. Yeah, buttons or numbers. So just get unless they have rather a leg of legends to prepare people to deal with it instead of preparing people to report as much as possible and kill it all. Like it's not going to work, but anyway. No, because essentially you're trying to curb a behavior in humans that I think is just invariably brought out by these types of platforms. I don't I don't know that there's any changing that. And so when you come across like 12 year olds who just want to see what happens when they say stuff like that. Exactly. So again, the best way to maneuver through that is to more the best way to deal with it is to learn how to maneuver through it. Yeah, when you come across some random person saying kill yourself, you should just be like who the fuck isn't they don't even know who I am. Exactly. And also like they're just some dipshit like yeah. Yeah. This way this random person said to kill yourself because well, why do you give that any level of my power? Yeah. Thanks for mentioning bullet storm and your prey coverage underrated game. Yeah, it is underrated. I wouldn't mind playing bullet storm again. I remember fond memories of it. I just really like it when. Yeah, but I think it was part of the games for Windows live thing. So I'm not sure if it's still like I don't know how that works now. I think it's on steam. Yeah, what I know. In fact, I'm pretty sure it is on steam, but then still games for Windows live and everything. You could check and you can check and see if there's a workaround for it. A lot of games are like that. Yeah, essentially it's like what happens with Resident Evil 5 was you just run a program that tells the game that Windows live is running and then it just acts normally. The bullet storm full clip addition. The thing that it did that was cool that that games should that I think a lot of games benefit from especially like action games because you see it in like Devil May Cry and Bayonetta is scoring systems that encourage you to do different things mechanically like to use different attacks and different weapons. That's the way to do it. Yeah, well, you can also do it with enemy types of like this enemy type is immune to your shield bash. You're going to need to use your trip it up with the thing first. Okay, or I would say that I think I generally prefer when the incentives are player originating rather than originating from the enemies. Like because I'm not sure I think I don't know that I like encountering an enemy that for instance I cannot use a weapon against like it just doesn't deal any damage at all. I think I generally prefer it if weapons are incentivized or de-insent disincentivized. You don't like any enemies that are invincible and more so defeated with environment. No, I I I'm talking like like if you've got an enemy it's like that that weapon doesn't work. You need to use the weapon with this elemental attack function. I generally prefer it when games find other ways to incentivize. Why is the pen depends on how that's implemented for me. I think I think that I like it when a video game grants you access to your full arsenal of capabilities and then you are given reasons to make choices about which weapons you use rather than being in an encounter where like a weapon is fundamentally is not going to work. I think that's I think that's a general preference I have from a design standpoint. Yeah, I was going to say I think I'm going to agree with wherever I was probably going with it. It's going to be implementation for me because I'm actually happy with having played God of War recently, right? It's like Blades of Chaos works on pretty much everything. Oh, it doesn't work on this guy because his shield is active. You're going to need to bash it open with your heavy weapons first. Then you can use whatever you want. Well, this guy is a spectral ghost. You've got to shine Helios's face into it first and then you can use your blades. I don't mind that as much as like the enemy that I encounter. It's like your axe doesn't work. You have to punch them like you don't want to use my orders or there's nothing different about them. It's just that arbitrarily this weapon won't work. There's no like thing to beat him. It's just that you just can't use this gun. I don't I don't think I dislike it. I think that I simply prefer it when I always have the capacity to choose any weapon that I want to use and the choices are more softly encouraged or disincentivized. Example you just gave. I'm assuming it's got a war. And so for reference, guys, what he's talking about is the all the first enemies you fight can be killed with the axe, but then you come across ice enemies from hell. The equivalent for Norse anyway, and your axe is an ice axe. So it's it like bounces off them. It doesn't work. You have to hit them with your fists until you get them to a stun range and then you can insta kill them. Me that all I mean, it depends on how good the fist combat is. Like that would be the determining factor for me is like if this just sucked to use and they were just bad and they weren't fun, then I would be. Oh, yeah, they're they're forcing me to use a weapon that's just shit to use and I hate that that would be the thing that I would. So did either of you guys play DMC Devil May Cry the reboot like Devil May Cry game? No, no. So in that game, it had so like by comparison to the regular like the proper series. That one had the Yamada. Fuck. I'm mispronouncing it. Aren't I Yamato? No. Yeah, Yamato is like the that's like his main sword. And then there was basically ice weapons and and like lava weapons or fire weapons. If you want to call it, the ice weapons were really fast. I know it was Angel and demons. So the Angel ones were really fast and agile and the demon ones were slower, but more powerful. And then you would encounter enemies that were color coded for those weapons. So you couldn't use the demon one on the light one and vice versa. And it's like this is still like fun. I just don't know that I like when I when you make me do this more than I would like it if I could use any weapon against any enemy. And and and rather my choices are more incentivized and disincentivized rather than locked. Where I have to use a certain attack. I think that's a general preference. Yeah, because I'm not with you on that. I generally think it's a really good way to create dynamic difficulty and encourage players to experiment with more weaponry. I think that a good way to. Well, the reason why I brought it up is because I think that the really good way to do it is like a point scoring system where you get that more point for using different strategies or you can like what Ratchet and Clank does where it's you have an incentive to level up all of your weapons because when you level up weapons they gain new functionality and there will come a point where your weapon is fully leveled and using it is essentially not doing anything for you from the perspective of leveling anything up. And so that's like a way I mean you can use the same weapon throughout the entire game. But you're probably not going to have much fun by comparison because I was actually going to say that I'm not sure how I felt about it with Dead Space. I enjoyed focusing the Plasma Cutter, but I actually think it's a it's to OP in that game. If it was something I would probably balance it would be to reduce and to encourage use of other weaponry in that game. But I think that's the thing, right? Encourage versus you must use a different weapon. Well, you do in certain portions depending on what enemies you're dealing with. No, I mean when I say must, you know, like it's it would be stupid not to and so you can do the challenge mode, so to speak of only Plasma Cutter, but there are like Mr. Invincible type enemies. I guess the thing is I think it would be stupid not to or something that I would prefer to be a possibility rather than it is impossible to deal damage unless you use this specific type of weapon. I just think it's the best way to look at the point system one. I can appreciate it, but I would I find it way more preferable to be like you're the you remember this enemy. It's the fist only one. This is the axe only one in this one is a ranged one that unless you throw the axe with limited damage, you better off using a trace is like bow to sort that one out and then you've got the element of like like with Halo or any other game or it's like ordering which one you take out first is going to matter and to me it's just a whole other extra fun layer of like, oh yeah, I got to use fists for that one. Is that more viable now or is that more viable later? It's just as opposed to as long as you use fists and then you use axe, you'll get bonus XP or something. I'm okay with that. I just think that having it as a visual indicator as well as it's justified in narrative as well. That's what I was saying that I think is it works and then you realize that you're being pushed into using all the mechanics without necessarily feeling that way because I actually feel like the point system is more overt as a message to me of like you should be switching it up so you get more points. I'm like, oh yeah, right as opposed to Oh, it's the ice enemy. I need my fire weapons. Um, I guess I don't know if I would call it overt. I think because I guess it's overt in terms of what it's communicating to you, but like at the end of the day, it is like totally I think for a lot of players if they get to the end of a level and Bayonetta or Devil May Cry and then it's like, oh, I got a bee. I think a lot of people just be like, okay, and then move on. But then like people who want to play it more will feel encouraged like, or I don't need to bury it up. When I say overt is the when I see the the ice enemy and I get out my fire weapon to kill it, that feels almost like it's just I'm immersed in the world or whatever. When it's like make sure to use your fire and ice weapon on this Brock monster because you get more points. That's like me much more of a clear like, oh yeah, the dev said I get more points if I do it that way. There's nothing like that binds me to that other than that. I don't think that but but but the thing with like usually the point system is the dev isn't telling you any specific way they're just saying mix it up use different weapons. That's usually how the scoring system works is that if you're using different attacks and different weapons, then you will your modifiers are higher. So like if I use the same combo over and over and over and over and over again on every enemy, it's like it's going to diminish how many points that I get each time I do it as opposed to because that was the system in bullet storm right is like kicking enemy and skewer them on like a cactus or like shoot them into an electric fence, but if you keep kicking them into the cactus, the points go down and down and down. But if you vary it up, it's like a it's a really good example of a soft difficulty setting as far as I'm concerned, because there's no there's no like strict reason why you have to do it, but like you're probably going to enjoy it more and feel more rewarded. Yeah, that's why I'm saying I think I would prefer it being encouraged by enemy types than a point system because it doesn't feel as a lot of fairly decided in terms of in terms of enemy types, would you say that that you prefer it when it is a strict you must use this weapon or you will find that you will yield better results of you use this weapon? I'm fine with either. Well, I would I guess I'm asking which one do you think that you would prefer generally? Well, when I'm like, which do you prefer, you know, this brand of water or this brand of water, I'm like, I don't actually know. I'm pretty chilly both. I really don't have a preference on that one because the axe there are certain moves you can use with the upgraded axe that work on hell enemies, especially the runic attacks. But I and if the game was like, well, there's a vision we ran with nothing as sourced from the axe works on hell enemies. Would you have preferred that as like, well, I would have made it more difficult and it would have encouraged me more so to keep track of my switching weapons. But I think when I'm in the middle, like in the zone, so to speak, and knocking out really big or some animated runic attacks, I would prefer not to just have a moment where it goes up. That didn't work as opposed to doing maybe limited damage or something. So maybe in the minutiae, I would prefer it that less damage as opposed to zero damage. But ultimately, I don't think it would affect my experience overall that much. Yeah, fair enough. That seems like a logical end point of this particularly long discussion. Well, what is if not that? Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't mind playing Bulletstorm again. We're trying to see about that at some point. So many games I got to play. People were mentioning, you know, like how long until Ray 2016 was that? Yeah, that while the original was 2006, I think the reboot was like 2017. Yeah, everyone wants me to play the reboot one because I keep hearing that one. It's good. Everyone's under the impression that they know I'll like that from my preferences. I think rags. I think it's like the system shock-esque kind of thing, right? The new prey. Yeah, so could be one of my favorites way into happens on me. I'm still sad about prey too. Sorry. Yeah. So sad about it. One of the draw really enjoyed prey though. Yeah, I only have a few people I really Yeah, it was it was one of those games that I really liked playing and sort of getting lost in that little world and going around managing things. I'm someone interested in death loot. I got other things that I would play before it. But yeah, I'll probably end up getting into it someday. Once I get this new PC, I will like we start to try and I need to get myself on the mindset of play one new game like that. You know, and then yeah, make sure to have that game that you could, you know, go through finish. I'm I have the same attitude with games and also with movies at the moment of like going through a list of films that I know that I need to see that I haven't yet making it like a routine. Wanted to drop in and say happy 200 won't be able to watch it because I'm a wick also as a DMC fan. It's funny. I instantly recognize five's HUD keep on fapping forever and always. Oh, yeah, probably with like forever with the with the this point system, the scoring system. I played maybe four hours total of DS one Bloodborne before giving up Elden Ring summons help me learn to love genre. Now I'm going through Bloodborne and going to revisit DS one later. Oh, yeah. I mean, any of these things can have any result. Anything anybody would choose is a mechanic that destroys a game. There's someone out there who's like, oh, that's the one thing I liked about it. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Been watching since episode four and I'm glad to see you're all going strong. I'll be watching the VODs once they're posted since I still need to finish the Doctor Strange video. Also high rags. Hello is a long one. Good luck. I think of player health as mistake allowance whereas enemy health determines time to kill for those enemies. That's a that's an interesting way to think about it in a sense. Yeah. Like your damage is your health allowance. Your health is damage allowance in a sense. It was once explored as a concept in a tabletop role playing game. You have your your hit points for your character. Your hit points is instead of thinking of thinking about how resilient you are and how much damage you could take before you die. Hit points instead represents how many times you can essentially cheat grievous injury. So if you have a whole bunch of armor and a lot of games have AC which is a armor class and the higher your AC the more difficult you are to hit you know actually you know oomph. So if you have you know a lot of armor and you're a very strong and big person and you have more hit points essentially what that means is it's the more hits and smacks and attacks you can either avoid or that they'll glance off of you essentially how many times you could cheat grievous injury until you get to the end of your HP and now your character is like wounded proper and you're out of the fight and you need medical attention. So that's what came into mind with that super chat that kind of envisioning the system in your head as that what what are those what is hit points really mean when we're talking about characters. The Dark Souls 2 HP video I think there's also health section open that way. Health is mistake allowance. DS2 gives you way more mistake allowance. All of the thing that ties to difficulty as well. Healing systems and amount of healing changes everything in Dark Souls and Bloodborne. Yeah, that's why we that's why when the every once in a while when someone mentions that springing looks like a tonberry how it always sort of was something in Final Fantasy taxic and tactics advance. They moved the tonberry moved very slow but they had a specific move that would do 90% of your health. And so that was something you always had to be careful of because if doing damage for flat amounts is one thing but doing damage on percentages is potentially a way to really either balance or to make sure that enemies stay very deadly with particular moves is that they do percentage of your health not just flat points of health damage. Uncharted 4 will change enemy AI and placement of enemies on different difficulties. They also replace enemy types with armored variants of the same enemy type generally great handling of difficulty. I think that that's a good way to do it instead of just bumping up health. That's decent. Yeah, I definitely prefer that to just oh enemies are enemies being tankier is one of my least favorite ways to make things more difficult. I don't like when I feel less powerful. I'd much prefer that you were more glass canony overall and there was less room for mistakes instead of just you have to wail on enemies for longer. I mean I would say that you know killing floor 2 is one of the best examples of making the difficulty higher. Yeah, new moves. Yeah, enemies move faster. They're more, you know, they're deadlier versions of enemies and they do things that they wouldn't do on lower difficulties. Yeah. Just bring it back, John. Exactly. I don't either. I think of play of health as a mistake allowance. Oh wait, sorry. I read that one. Congratulations. Here's to five years or year five. Sorry of the FAP, which yes, we are currently in. Oh, wow. Play little. I prefer glass cannons over bullet sponges looking at you the division. Yes. I prefer glass cannons to bullet sponges as well. There's, of course, this will change based on the game, but generally I absolutely prefer that. Yeah, because you just don't want to it's just boring and dull when you have to hit enemies and hit them and hit them and hit them and hit them and blah blah blah and you just see that health bar chipping down little by little. It makes you feel weak and your weapons feel anemic and it's just not a good feeling. Though I'm generally the sort of person I'd rather fight a lot of weaker enemies like a swarm than fight a single big enemy. That's generally how I am in games. I really enjoy crowd controlling and you know, being aware of all your surroundings so you don't get surrounded by you know, the hordes coming after you and I like you know, it's like like in Vermintide. I like it when you have a whole host of rats or something in front of you and you swing a hammer it just clobbers, you know, the ones in front but you know, there's a lot more all around you and you have to look for your openings in your own way and really be good with your footwork. That's that's something I generally prefer. I hate to say this, but the Last of Us 2 has good difficulty options. You can change five aspects separately enemy, AI, ally, AI, damage, resources and stealth. First of all, no hate to say it. We're happy to recognize good elements of bad things. Bad elements of good things. It's really good. Secondly, those being there is very much not conclusive until we know what it does in a significant way, right? Because the AI was already problematic as fuck when I played The Last of Us 2. Both enemy and ally like having lots of issues and not to say that it's unusual for games in general to have AI problems. It does happen. Many of them were fucking broken as hell in my playthrough. As for what these changes do, for example, stealth. Like imagine it's like you lower stealth and just means the enemies don't see you anymore. Like that's not exactly something I would praise about a difficulty change, you know. Yeah, it would have to be implemented. Yeah, it's like what we discussed earlier with how long does it take enemies to spot you could be something. It could be how wide is that Kona vision angle that enemies have. I mean, those two options just just having those to adjust for yourself would be I mean, that gives you a lot of control. Just those two things alone. Praise the cosmic chicken. My book contents PD the dead man's life is finally out. I guess contents of the dead man's life. Maybe that's we're supposed to be. Well, if any toxic broodling is interested in contemporary no holds barred satire as only our clown world can provide. Please check it out on right field books. Aller, your MOM rage is good rat. Thank you. Not what that was the thing I did the day before the anniversary, wasn't it? Thus, I put that out. A wacky weekend. Today is the 20th episode 200th episode of EFAP. Alas, 200 episodes is far too short of time to live among such excellent and admirable massives. Don't listen in today, but I will tomorrow when I drive from Washington State to Florida. That's a hell of a drive. Yeah. We kept him company the whole way. Probably maybe. Oh, the collectivist wants everyone to have the exact same experience. How very well original. Jim, that's not. I mean, I imagine Jim would conclude that it's a different experience to complete these games on the hardest or lowest difficulties, but that you shouldn't be against that happening. You wouldn't be the same experience. I don't think anybody could argue that as at a guard. The whole point is to change it so that you wouldn't have to have the same experience, i.e. struggling through something that's difficult. But yeah, I don't think that's the argument. Demon night, Splatoon three hashtag team rock praise the dawn. Team rock. All right. I guess. Oh, it's that rocks and bottles, right? Is that what it was? No, it was it was bricks and bottles, bricks and bottles. Okay. A brick is sort of like a rock. Most people say brick before rock though for bricks. You know, I think many people pull them rocks. Look at that. Look at that. Lovely rock house over there. Oh, you mean brick? Yes, yes, yes. You're not going to paint your you're not going to paint your rock house. Are you? Please don't. It's a terrible trend and I want it to die. Yeah. Most game journalists only see games journalism as a stepping stone to real journalism but get stuck in it and super bitter about it. It's sad. It is interesting how many people do seem to be kind of bitter like angry at gamers. They're they don't like gamers. They work in the gaming space, but they actively just seem to despise gamers. Well, they don't like amazed that we didn't just eat with that Jim Sterling video I did. But like just this bitterness and this is I mean borderline cruelty just disdain that he that he has for gamers. Like Jesus Christ, what happened to you? Correct, Jim. Normie's ruin everything. Well, anything going mainstream just changes. Yeah, you got to be very careful when your thing goes mainstream. Hour 4 of 24. Congrats on 200. Thank you. It for just just for reminding me of Mako. I love Mako. Mako. Oh, sure. How is it spelled? M. A. S. A. O. Mako. Mako. Yeah. Who that? I don't know. It's a type of shark. The Mako shark. That's all I know. R. E. Four is at fault because of the incongruous story, but CV is worse and it's a traditional survival horror. R. E. was never an amazing story, but still. CV. CV. I legitimately don't know either. Say what exactly point is being made here as well? Because it seems. Yeah, I don't know myself. Me. I am indeed sorry. What game with difficulty options do you think would benefit from a single catered difficulty option also higher? A single catered difficulty option. First off, hello. But a single catered difficulty option. Kind of like that. So are we talking like a. They don't have one, but lots of other games go with multiple like Ottawa. Like would it be better? Oh, okay. So the the game only has one difficulty. Like it. You can't change the difficulty. It's only at one difficulty, but maybe it's like an adaptive kind of difficulty. Or something like that. And they're saying what game would benefit from that? The thing is, I don't think one is better than the other. It's the execution. I quite like God of Warzone. All the options. It's like, yeah, but wouldn't you prefer it that they spent all their time into one difficulty to try and make it, you know, and it's like, would you want Dark Souls to have many? It's like, no, I just happy with both of them. I don't consider one better than the other. So it's kind of hard for me to say. Yeah, it's kind of like, what do you think is better of one genre versus another? It's like, I don't know. Yeah, it all comes down to how it plays out in the game. I think my answer would end up being boring. Like, oh, whatever we switch, I just hope it's really done well. And I guess if let's say, for example, I picked something with multiple difficulty options and I'm picking on it because I don't like the choices they made for the difference in difficulty. Changing it to one difficulty that's catered is as much of a solution as fixing the options they had at the time. I'm basically saying I'm okay with both. Yeah, there was a game. You have games like Resident Evil 4, which as long as you're not on professional mode, have an adaptive sort of difficulty where the better you're doing, there's like an internal difficulty and that difficulty slider changes based on how well you're doing. So it will measure the ammunition you have. The health items in your inventory as far as I'm aware, how many times you're getting hit by enemies and it can change based on that. Similarly, in a game like Rimworld, the difficulty you have wealth points and you have raid points that you generate as you play. So the wealthier your colony is and the more stuff you have, the value of all the things that are essentially yours or on the map plus added the amount of colonists that you have the stuff like that. They generate wealth points and raid points which add to the difficulty of raids and things like that, the difficulty of quests. So that had there. There's an element of adaptive difficulty in that as well. So there's ways to do it, but I don't know if I I mean, ideally, I really like the idea of a game that can sort of sense how good you are and be able to tailor a difficulty to you. But it's all in the execution because if it tries to do that and it's not good at doing it, then you could either you can potentially manipulate it very easily or you can manipulate it too much by accident without even meaning to. So it's really good to have those solid flat difficulty levels that you can just set, especially if they're supposed to be like milestones intended for progression. Like like vermin type to is a good example where you start out. It's it's a lot of roguelikes are like this where you start out at difficulty one and then as you get better as you either level up your characters or your abilities or you go through the progression of, you know, your account, you go up to higher difficulties and higher difficulties and higher difficulties that are in the game slowly pushing you towards those higher difficulties. That, you know, that's its own system as well. So hopefully that is a substantial enough answer for you. Well, they were looking for examples of games we would change. So like games we would change the difficulty, but they already look I'm trying to lay out as my issue is the I would I wouldn't want to change them from one type of difficulty format to another. It would just be making it better as it is with whatever format it's using. I mean, interesting enough. I mean, the resident evil, for example, as I said, apart from professional mode, a professional mode doesn't have adaptive difficulty. It's always at its highest difficulty setting. And that's essentially what you play when you're really good at the game. After you beat it, you unlock professional mode. So that's removing that kind of adaptive difficulty and that's generally what you like I said what you play when you get really good. Games right at it, too. I don't know. I honestly don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I legit don't know what games I'd add it to. I have to I'd have to think about that. I have to think about games that I play that are maybe way too easy or don't have enough difficulty, like difficult content in them for me to access. You take an MMO for instance, right? There's plenty of MMOs like, you know, World of Warcraft Guild Wars 2 where there's there's content in the game that's supposed to be a lot easier and chill. Like maybe if you're just roaming in open world, you know, just doing this and that. But then they've got the raids and the dungeons and the the more instanced, more structured content that limits the amount of players who could do them that are far more difficult by intention so that you have purposefully different levels of difficulty to go through. Most of the time I'm more invested in tweaking current difficulties that exist. I don't think they've ever come across a game where I'm like, this needs a re-haul. Yeah. At that point, I probably just think the game is bad. Yeah, I think so. There might be games like that, but I've played so many games that just kind of thinking of one in particular doesn't really. Yeah, it doesn't really pop out to me because normally, right, if a game's too easy, I bump up the difficulty. Now, how the difficulties bumped up is its own discussion, but, yeah, nothing comes to mind at the moment. Kamyam. Also, hi, Ragn. Oh, hello. Kamyam to you. Hello, fellow G-Words. Hello. Hi, Gamer. Four years of EFAP gone and hopefully many more to come. Cheers to the toxic brood and here's to the endless fight against horrible media. Praise the dawn. Yeah. Absolutely. Play Sekiro, you flambas. One day or certain, they'll play this. Kill you. Why didn't you play it? There is no. Ah. Fortunately, there comes the I played Tetris to look at the pretty blocks. Jimbo Baglins. There is a pretty, it is a pretty block game. Especially in Tetris 99 with all of these different themes that you can have, where you do have different types of blocks of different art styles. It's neat. Love you guys. Started watching rags with the PCMR stuff in junior high, snowballing to today with EFAP. Now I'm in college. You've all genuinely changed my life and the way I look at media while providing constant laughs. Happy fourth anniversary. Oh, all right. Good to hear. Very awesome. You're getting on in life. You're growing all up. Don't worry. By the time you're in your pensioner, your rock and you'll chair will still be there. As we will have recorded a whole 10 years worth of bonus EFAPs well after we happen, trust me. I'll be here when you guys read this in 2077. Here's to many more EFAPs. I just ordered the plushies. Greetings, Moola. Kick rags and get John back. I'm sure you will see John again. Funny enough, he's been on things since. So, yeah. They're not actually talking about CJG. John. So John Halo. No, this is one episode where you were gone for like the first five minutes and I said John's replacing you. J-O-H. Oh, I think I remember that. Everyone's a big fan of that, John. You didn't say anything. Weird how that happened here. Well, maybe they just want me to shut up. Racism, which won't happen ever. Also not allowed was answered before 2077 is 2022. So very cool. Moola. I primarily play souls game for the challenge. Also, Moola plays Elden Ring on easy mode and doesn't replay it without spirit ashes. Be fair, I didn't know the spirit ashes were an equivalent of easy mode and I didn't use spirit ashes on a couple of bosses. That's towards the end. But the thing is you'll very much more likely see me replaying Bloodborne Dark Souls. Mainly those two before Elden Ring. Elden Ring is a little bit difficult to just casually replay because I can like blast out a playthrough of Bloodborne in between one and two streams. Oftentimes I'm just one. Not necessarily. Bloodborne Dark Souls usually too, but Elden Ring is like a behemoth. And to be honest with you, I don't have much of a desire to play it again. No, I compared to the other entries. Like I said, Bloodborne for me is like the most replayable. I'm sure why. But yeah, don't worry. I had plenty of challenge on Elden Ring, even with spirit ashes on it. I tried to go hard on some bosses earlier than I spoke. All very straight. Hilarious you say hard on. That's very funny, Mahler. You some kind of comedian? Yes. All right. Odd Wilder War veteran difficulty. Thrag throwing tournament. Japan levels were insane. Yeah, I kind of want to stream that because I think it's really funny. Trying to actually complete that game on veteran. Frankly, all the cards on veteran. Or it won't be frustrating at all. Probably the key is to just advance forward as much as you can to get over those invisible tripwire. So the enemies despawn behind you and hide while your men out. Get an option. Maybe. Well, do you have a favorite editor on your vids or are they all skilled in their own special way? Oh, they definitely bring their own flavors. Would have seen that in the. The doctor. I would never choose between his children. That would be what we call racism. I'll do that. Absolutely here. Racism is bad. Don't be racist. But of course, my favorite editor is me. I'm the bestest ever. Very true. I agree 100%. My favorite game is the last of us for its characters and story. The gameplay is enjoyable enough to not detract. Didn't mean anything more than it had. Didn't need anything more than it had. I don't know if I disagree with that. I agree with that. I think that that game could be dramatically improved with better mechanics. That's like, I think the last of us one is almost clunky. They at least it. Last of us two is probably similar. That approach that. Only dog having I assume would have been developed first in Uncharted. Right. What specifically sorry. The gameplay of the last of it versus like. Probably. Yeah, like it wouldn't surprise me if that was sort of like a bit of a core framework. Obviously, there are some notable differences. You say it doesn't get in the way of the last of us is gameplay but I still think that you can prove it and last of us. Yeah, of course. Six hours do better. Short man bad. Either was this is our five of 24. But then hours don't know which is which but that's how far we are into the history. Six hours out of 24. Not bad. Congratulations on 200. Here's to 200 more more. EFAP gaming deep rock galactic when getting quick before they completely ruin the atmosphere with silly tone shifts and community memes. Hi, Fringy. I don't know how they could ruin the atmosphere with those those seem to be the atmosphere. Really kind of through and through which I which I really like about it. I think it was a wonderful. A little bit busy right now with the whole crimbus and the several things to catch up on but I'm sure we'll get on top of some stuff and then figure out some times playing David or gay. Going to go to sleep now. I'll keep the stream going while I fall asleep. Please make no loud noises and otherwise have a lovely stream with lots of goo. Go to sleep. Yeah. His basement is like a ball pit of soda cans. Do Mrs. Diabetes. That can't be comfortable to jump into right ball pit of soda cans. I that sounds no sounds like the recipe for disaster actually. Making me think of the twitch on thing. Oh, I feel so bad for that lady has really bad. Which con lady. All right. The the remember the phone pit where it was like oh yeah right. Absolutely. Oh yeah, I know injury. Did she get I don't know. But I think she had to get like pretty significant surgery. That's what I heard. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a problem like a lifelong issue. So I'm not I'm not sure what's going to come of that or like twitch and what's going on there. Be fair to Bob guys. You probably can't crush the cans due to the gout. What you do with your hands though? That's for the feed right? I actually don't know. I think it's something like that. It's some bone thing. I'm not sure. Please EFAP nerd sync Batgirl film or Thor 2 video. It's sync. Also Batgirl didn't happen. They got removed. Maybe it isn't maybe like somebody that's like a YouTuber and they made a video about those films. Oh, maybe maybe they called nerds think and they did. Or two. Oh, they want us to talk. I don't care about what I don't care about for two. As I said in my video, stop talking about Thor the Dark World. It's chaos can't bring it up on Thor the Dark World. And she told me about a or the Dark World just seems to be the film that a lot of people default to is the worst when they probably could actually tell you anything about it. That's why it's not. Yeah, I guess I guess I find it funny because it just can't be it can't not now. Not after phase four. They have some not our action to react to the portal things they have. Yes, the the whole like convergence or whatever it was called was really stupid. But like, I don't know man. Multiverse breaks everything. Yeah, it's not phase four bad. Um, went downstairs to ask my sister. She chose more. This result was expected. Oh, the question was but all right. Fair enough. Your voice and videos are very relaxing. Good I suppose. Wings Court of the day double bonus or are we at triple now here are his chat rules. Number one, don't ask to change games. Number two, don't ask about my personal life. Number three, don't tell me to play for fun. Number four, my name is Jordy. Nothing else. Number five, I don't joke around. So please don't attempt to joke around with me. Really? I think really are those his rules? Well, I think they're just things that have been compiled based on what he said, right? Like that he doesn't make jokes and he doesn't like jokes. He doesn't tell jokes anymore. You don't seem like the person who despises the idea that he's supposed to be a comedic streamer and not like a stream you take seriously. Like I'm an MLG pro gamer YouTuber, not a joking. I don't think it's like, I don't know. I think you draw some level of association between like jokes is as jokes at his expense and he can't deal with that. Like it's, it's because I'm pretty sure there's a thing where he says like, I'm well, I mean, it's the general thing, right? Call the duty ruined his life, but he has to play it because that's the one that gets views. He is. Yeah, he's an he's an interesting character that wings of redemption. Yeah. It's just funny when you lay out those quotes, though, like I don't make jokes or there was a guy who's in his chat who said like happy Thanksgiving and and then he said, I come up and he said like, I'm not like celebrating Thanksgiving and also you're like British. So I'm not even sure why you're asking me like as if he was messing with him just because he was a British guy saying like happy Thanksgiving. Like, why would you say that to me? You don't celebrate it. So why would you tell that to me? An American is so bizarre. Oh, it's it's yeah. Dang it. CJ. I wanted Molly to vividly rip Acer a new one. They're like a brand Acer. A C. E. R. Is a brand. It's like a computer brand, right? I thought Adam Sandler's net worth is four hundred and twenty billion billion million, right? I can believe million, but not. Yeah, a million. I could absolutely believe. I thought you said B billion. That's what they wrote. I don't believe it's billion right? Because 420. And they've just said 420 million anyway. Maybe it's like a like an Adam Sandler joke to say 420. Where's it though? I don't know. It's it's dumb and simplistic. So it's an Adam Sandler joke. Wow. I watched an Adam Sandler movie. It's so long. Like I don't have a good. Well, I'm sure they're not. But like I just don't have a good show. They look like. Wow. I mean, it was it's Jack and Jill, right? That's like the turning point. It's a you know, when I'm when our Al Pacino Al Pacino was on a like he presented for the game awards for like best performance. A lot of people are making like some meme that was specifically from Jack and Jill like about Dunkin Donuts or something. Like yeah, and in Jack and Jill, I think he's the guy who the protagonist Adam Sandler is trying to get to be in a Dunkin Donuts commercial. Well, so I guess it's kind of amusing, right? That this 10 year old film that everybody agrees. Shit. That's like a meme that people used to refer to like Al Pacino like a fucking veteran actor. Like it's just the nature of memes, isn't it? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, he's the one that agreed to do it, right? Well, it's kind of it's kind of funny because like I'm pretty sure that there's a joke in that film where like when he sees the Dunkin Donuts ad, he says that like all copies of this need to be burnt that nobody should ever see this. It's like the Star Wars holiday special. Well, I guess it's just interesting because it's like well, I guess the consequence of Jack and Jill as people refer to him as like a Dunkin Donuts nickname. Even though he's Al Pacino. Yeah, it's like a Dunkin Chino, right? Dunkin Chino, right? Maybe he thinks that's funny. I don't know. Maybe he enjoys the meme. Maybe he doesn't care because he's got like, you know, he's got an Academy Award. He's fine. Allegedly. What's your favorite Dunkin Donuts flavor? I don't know. I am curious. The Godfather or Scarface, which which do you prefer? I prefer Scarface. What about you, Rags? Well, I've seen neither of these films. Have you not seen Scarface? No, I have not. He said I've seen neither of these films. You know, like wait a minute. I need to clarify a little bit. Yeah, I do need. I need to see him. I just they're just films I haven't seen. I just haven't seen him. I prefer Scarface, which I think is not. Is that that's like not the the correct opinion, right? It's you meant to put the Godfather above that? I would imagine Godfather is a bit more venerated in a way. Scarface is pretty venerated. It's just that the Godfather has like a prestige. It's it's like one of the general like it's one of those general films that a lot of people would put as like one of the best films of all time, if not the greatest. But I prefer Scarface. All righty. Congratulations on EFAP 200. You guys make YouTube tolerable high rags. Oh, hello. And I'm glad we make the YouTube's tolerable for you. We're already at like coming close to episodes 120 ourselves, right? Well, we can catch up the superchats before we hit the next fucking anniversary, huh? But that would be great. I caught up to you, long man. When I started watching EFAP, you were on about episode 85. Did anyone on the panel watch or enjoy the Northman? I haven't seen it yet. I managed to not see it, which is weird, but I only ever hear good things. Put quagsire on the EFAP 200 thumbnail. Do it. Quagsire. Bring a massively terrible MOM video. I could watch DS2 three times in the same time as your video. And then at least I wouldn't have been bored. Also adorable plushie. Also, y'all is TDK bad, actually. DK, the Dark Knight. Oh, I don't know why they would say that. Why would they ask this question? This is this is madness to ask if we think that the Dark Knight is actually bad. As far as I'm aware, it's considered the greatest film you've all turned to one of them, right? It is considered an incredible movie by Christopher Nolan, the quintessential Joker Batman film that is full of many plot elements, all of which definitely make sense and character decisions slash actions slash plans for escaping police stations that they just line up match and all the Batman with Robert Pattinson. And they were criticizing both Gordon and Alfred as being the worst iterations of those characters full of Batman's adaptations. I do not agree with that. Seems excessive. And then there was someone else commented like we will never reach the greatness of Nolan trilogy. Interesting. Interesting. Perhaps we never will wherever that level may or may not be allegedly. Allegedly interesting. Interesting question. I'm curious why they might have asked it. Joe is usually on point with games, but anything else is pure supertism. Joe, angry Joe, Duncan Donuts. Oh, I don't think those two. But Duncan Joe Nets. Yeah, I mean, yeah, as far as I'm aware, he's far better with games because his movie takes fucking horseshit better for games or something. I don't know. Yeah, he's much more reacts as soon as he's seen the thing with films and TV, but with games, he takes his time as games anyway. Yeah, he's his his movie takes her. They're not worth anyone's time. Angry Joe recently released a video whining that his fans called him out for being a hypocrite in his She-Hulk review. It's fun times hypocrite on what specific I will I guess I thought it was like good or something. Yeah, but is that hypocrisy or is that just like, I don't know if you just I don't know. I guess it depends on what it actually is. Right. Like maybe there was criticism that he led me to other things that she hoped and get criticism. Maybe he just didn't notice. Potentially, though, I suppose it's we ended up your job in a review to notice as far as I know. But the show is over by the end. Yeah, I can't remember. I wanted to say that he thought positively as it began at the end. Yeah, it like deteriorated, which it should have deteriorated sooner. I suppose the first episode. Yeah, it should have been very obvious from the get to go that that show was fucking trash. Rancid is a word I like to use for it. It's a show that you could smell and it smells bad. All hail the EFAP crew. Happy fourth anniversary. Thank you for the memories, tisms and laughs. Keep up the good work. I love to you all. Oh, thank you very much. Thanks for being here and watching. That's an intel acutal. I have learned how to feel. Whoa. Hmm. It was a separate post that was like I recently watched the debate on blind manna with drinker and EFAP people. I have to say it's incredibly disappointing that on one end you have drinker explaining why he didn't like it. On the other, you have EFAP trying to say why he should like it using like references of accuracy or whatever. It's like they don't understand that some people just have feelings about thing. The fucking first response was just like they liked it. Like that was their position informed by the what they were saying. I was just like, how the fuck did this that even happen as an interpretation? Like we don't just often go by exactly like a lot of the motivation to cover particular topics is motivated by how much we liked the thing or disliked the I will say I didn't really feel much for Wakanda forever. We wouldn't have been like if there was anything I felt. I felt a lot at the same time. I felt boredom, you know, I felt hatred. I felt sadness sorrow. I think I found a great depression. So you'd say success is a piece of ours making you. Yes, it it did. It made me very emotional, which is a success. I think on any metric. Another one that was just it's just gone. Exactly. It I don't think it's gonna. I think it's got to do the billion is it? Oh, I guess I haven't checked actually. I don't check for a while either. I would assume not based on the last I heard. But that movie people talking about it. Yeah. That's just sort of that was a whisper smoke on a windy day. Yes, it feels like it's very much in keeping with the rest of face for and that like when it came out, there were plenty of tweets about how great it was. But like that all just sort of didn't materialize in like a long term discussion on that film, which is not the same for something. We're going to compare to other superhero films. I feel like Batman was getting talked about for a while. Yeah, after it came out, you know, like a dominated discussions like well over a month. A lot of comparisons. A lot of it definitely won't be making a billion. I'm not even sure it'll. No, it's not 800,000 100 million, which I think is indicative of like there's no way there's actually no way that Marvel's looking at that in a happy. There's no way. That's they probably expected that to get a billion. I did. I mean, the first one did. He did. Yeah. Everything is all trending down in it. Well, yeah, because multiverse probably should have made more than a billion dollars. It probably should have based on what it is as a premise, you know, oh, look at this crazy like Marvel multiverse shenanigans. I think they're like, oh, we should have had stock in it. That was the mistake. He should have showed up in the multi Tony Stark. Hi, man. Yeah. I mean, maybe I like I'm not sure that I don't know because I know that there's different like orders of stuff that are the things are going to get delayed, but like projects are going to slow down and then attempt to do quality control. But I feel like I feel like it's it's missed not misguided because it will yield positive results. But it's like, ah, so the problem is the VFX pipeline. It's like, that's that's good. If you're going to give them more time, that's good. And like, oh, well, you know, maybe like we need to spread it out so that like production is isn't run thin. It's like, that's also good as long as the result is that people actually get well rested and not overworked like crazy. However, what is your guy's perspective on like the screenplays in both the people that you hire and to write them and the methodology that they're using to crop them and writing them while production is underway. That's something that I can't remember. It was a pain. I can't remember what you were doing at it. That was I think that's all of them. Yeah, I suppose you're right. Right. It's pretty common at this point. I can't remember if there was I can't remember which director said it specifically, but they highlighted specifically that it seemed really like bizarre and indicative of bad things in the industry right now that like it is a common practice to write screenplays while production is underway. It just seems so insane. Bizarre. Yeah, you can do that because I mean, how many examples do we have of that yielding good results? Like we've got in recent memory, we got fallout Mission Impossible fallout. It's like the only film off the top of my head that the screenplay wasn't complete when at a when they were filming it that like managed to come together into something great. Meanwhile, every other Marvel film and then of course the problem that the writers don't talk to one another. Nobody knows what's going on in the broader universe. I don't know how you can hope to create a coherent shared universe when nobody even knows what's happening. And they'd be like, well, Kevin Feige knows. It's like, I don't that's not good enough. Evidently. Yeah. And if you break them up enough to the point where like you watch we're kind of forever and like what the hell does this have to do with multiverse and madness and you watch Ant-Man, you're like, what did that have to do with the other two? If you I think the average audience member might then watch Black Adam be like, what did that have to do with what kind of forever? When I was like, it's not like that. Yeah, kind of forever. And you're like, what do you mean? It's like I'm probably MC. Well, I think I think one of the benefits that they had during like the Infinity Saga, if that's what it's called now is that as like an overarching plot thread, the stones are pretty useful. You can just have these six stones that keep popping up and have certain attributes and you can have stories that incorporate them while also establishing where they are, like who's in control of them and what they're, you know, like the general status of them. They're like a really easy tool to build a big universe because you don't have to deal with them too much, but you can use them in ways that are really easy. I think that's what I would emphasize is that like the Infinity Stones are really easy to use to build up a broader story by comparison. I don't know what I'm meant to be like assuming you're the broader pieces of this universe and what they're leading to. I don't know. Like what do you remember? Because I do all that after credit scene and they reveal in the desert Majolinia member member. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was the post credit scene for Iron Man too, right? And it was like, oh, I know that. That's I don't know what that is. Like it's whereas I guess now it's like now they're like, here's a whole alternate universe multi-versal Avengers that I do. And you just like, yeah, like it's getting hard to lap. And of course, if you do a big multi-verse story, it's going to become increasingly difficult for me to believe that this universe is super duper like this universe is the most specialist super duperest universe of them all, which it was already bad enough when like Earth is the most important planet in the universe, like the vast majority of the heroes that are relevant to the story or all from Earth, the vast majority of them are American. It's like, you know, and then you just blow that up even more into a multi-verse scale. It's like, aren't there any like heroes on like those far flung far more technologically advanced planets that we know exist out there in the galaxy and in the universe? Like, what do they have to say about all of the crazy shit going on that they know nothing about like you live an on planet flea or something in the world, world pool galaxy. And then you just they're like, oh, half of us dead now. What's happening in relation to like the reveals and cameos and stuff they used. I don't think they realized they have like a fraction of the power that they used to in revealing one character, one idea, one location, one event. Well, I mean, the big thing was that watching Iron Man and then Thor's hammer is like, holy shit, you're not like the same thing. But then it's like, yes, they are. Well, yeah, it's almost boring. But the thing is you can always recover if you just have better writing because we literally just saw it with God of War 2018 to Ragnarok, right? Like you go through all of 2018 and then right at the end they show you a guy has turned up. Who is it? And it's like he's got a hammer, you know, like incredibly exciting, even though you knew that that was probably going to happen. But it's still exciting because you have faith in the series because if things were going well, right? Like if things were working in the MCU, like when who shut up at the end of Hercules, right and Thor Love and Thunder, like if he showed up, that'd be exciting. But like, why would anybody be excited about that? That's actually a pretty good example because someone could be like, see, that's just one guy. So they're kind of doing it, right? Like I think part of the problem with that is the surrounding context. I have no idea what even is happening in that fucking movie. What do you mean? It's like a million gods in the God City and Hercules is like, I'm going to come for Thor now. And I'm just like, well, does that even what weight does that even have? I don't know. It's hard to know what weight anything has because the sense of stakes is just shot. Like it's it's it's done. I don't know what stakes are meant to when you kill Magdi and then Modi comes back saying that Thor beat the fuck out of me for losing to you or thing. And then you see Thor and you're like, I killed his son at his brother. Yeah. Like you have power to latch on to. Yeah. Yeah, huge weight. And then, you know, all the stories of how Thor's killed all of the Giants and stuff and then that's sorry. I'm just drifting compliment. Don't fucking depressed that that is his legacy kills everything. What a great job they did. And there's a you know, there's a universe out there where the MCU is great and it gets into the multiverse stuff and it's just the most amazing thing ever. I mean, look, you know, everything every once was right next to yes to. Yeah. It was so much more heart. I did you are you hear the Iron Man got added to the National Film Registry? I did not hear that. I didn't hear that. Interesting. Also, apparently the little mermaid was too, but just now, which is kind of surprised. Okay. I figured that I mean there a while ago. How would I figured? Yeah, that's strange. You figured that that would have been there a while ago. Well, I mean, I guess it makes sense. It makes sense for Iron Man to be on that. Like there's no reason for it not to be. It's one of the most important films like that's come out like the last 20 years. Hour 6 of 24. This says didn't read a one. Well, maybe a few people said it. There's a hint of substance in the meanderings. There's nothing to read from these checklists. Free to play games are always very slash overwhelming positive. Um, you know, those are the play games are always very overwhelmingly positive. That's not true. I wouldn't know. I haven't checked money. I just can't be true, especially these days with live service models and microtransactions and things. A lot of the times that's the warning sign is that they're free to play. Trying to get all of their money in different ways. There's no barrier to entry. I've always wanted to give back a little. Thank you so much for all the amazing entertainment and the for changing my relationship with writing. Happy 200. It's been an amazing journey. Gentlemen. Hi rags. Hello. Very much. Thanks. Um, caveman speak. Me not no graph pick. Tell me now. About graphics. Me not no graphics. What now? Everyone knows the long is the pinnacle of graphics. Oh, I think it's because we were talking about those those steam reviews where they have a checklist for graphics. The graphics was in there and we were like, what exactly does that mean? Uh-huh. I mean a lot of things when it's just like graphics good or bad. Congrats. EFAP crew on 200 episodes. Guest appearance from the Prophet Muhammad. When? Oh, he hasn't got whenever you'd like to show up whenever he wants to, uh, send an email. What a racism of his presence. How is everyone feeling about this Saints Row reboot and the developers reaction to criticism? Very concerned for that IP's future. Only heard bad things. Yeah, I feel like you should be concerned. I've heard only pretty much terrible things about it. I think the studio volition has been folded into a gearbox. So I'm not sure what that means in terms of them making more Saints Row games. Congrats on 200 episodes and thank you all for making me think way too hard about my scripts. Also more than sorry. Movie Bob won't watch your MOM review. Maybe next time use bigger words and put your voice at five times speed for him. Yeah, maybe if you put your voice at five times speed, it'd be an hour long video. Yeah, but you need to make sure that your senses run for like two paragraphs. That's the way that's good writing when your senses just run on for like 40 seconds. They just go and they go and they go and they go and there's no pause. There's no time for you to think about what you just heard. He writes his senses like legislation is written. If you've ever read like legislation. They have very long sentences typically and like that's how he writes. But the reason why but there's a it's it's just like full stops man that they're your friend. Okay, trust me. I believe in you. What are they ever done to me? They made reading possible full stops are incredibly important. All right, fine. That would be interesting. Someone like if there was a language that just didn't use sentences and like independent clauses. They were just they just kept going and going and going. I don't like that would be incomprehensible to the point that there would have been somebody even like 20,000 years ago who's like stop. Okay. Thank you Jesus. Fuck. All right. What were you saying? Holy shit. Take a breath. I can't understand you when you get like this. Uh person questions a door does not equal rags poop with no door person equals a door person equals or dog equals poop no door person questions a door does not equal rags poop with no door. I do poop with door prefer a closed door if anything it's more a door is truly more a door when it is closed and when it's open you poop with a door. Yeah, I was about to say like it would probably be really difficult to get it between your butt crack. You know, it's a it's anything that feels like it's getting in the way of the process. I poop with a door nearby that is closed. Ah, at that point you got a laundry list to set up of what you're pooping with, right? Got the floor and the cabinets. Yeah, yeah, I'm pooping. I'm pooping alongside them. Yeah, they're all cheering you on. I'm pooping in the immediate presence of a closed door. Uh, eventually all roads lead back to the long. Hmm. Yeah, something to think about. Hour seven of 24 progress be made. Is the stream goes on the frequency of super chances less therefore we in the future when responding to them technically speak up in terms of time covered. It's this whole thing. Wow. Cheers to three years and another three and even more three years after. Hmm. I'm game if you guys are. Cheers to the years. I'm pro pro years. Hey, just got here. Happy 200th episode. Hope the never ending stream of sludge you've spent the last 70 like episodes covering hasn't made you want to commit on life. And here's to 200 more PSI rags. Hello. If I survived watching. Eight static man streams. I think I've got like I'm inoculated now. Inoculated. Thanks for these four years. I've made so many friends lids so much about media and how to notice details better and reintroduced new and old creators and giving me experiences. I'll never forget from the bottom of my heart. Thank you for everything. Take breaks. Oh, thanks. We will take breaks. We do so very much. Appreciate it. Very kind. And we hear about any inspirations. We better for wonderful part of this big old thing we call this thank you for four great years of e fapping also high rags. Hello. Why wasn't Arcane at 10 out of 10 also e fap Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy? We will do Pirates of the Caribbean at some point. That's a definite as for not being 10 out of 10 because there are a couple of problems in Arcane. Couple of flames, couple of couple of flames here and there. I can't quite remember one. I remember that like didn't explosion go off right next to Caitlyn and she was fine at some point. Yeah, I think that was our that was I think the first because that's episode four. Jinx has quite a bit of plot armor. I think my people she's also he has like melee combat abilities that don't quite match up match her. Yeah, she looks like she is she looks like she's skinny as a fucking twig. She turned sideways and she disappears. She gets an excuse when she gets the shimmer before then. Yeah, before then. Yeah, she should not be able to do the source of things. I think there's there's a scene later on when she's after she meets up with Vi in the undercity again in one of the later episodes. She's able to like telepathically dodge a blow from like some direction. She's just clearly not looking in like she's super natural, but it's just little things like that that sort of add up. I'm trying to think of if there were bigger things. I think there are. I just can't remember. Obviously, you're all quite fond of that. Yee. Mom review was good rat was much more entertaining than I would have been by the movie itself. Frongo plushie will be adorable sitting next to mubes and rags on the shelf ready to object to Tizm. Well, good. Happy to hear it. Yeah, I'll make a good trio. It's as if he's just talking and mentioning buzzwords to attract a favor of the algorithm. It's just a load of nothing. So don't know exactly who we're covering at that point that fills that, but I think a couple of people would suffice in terms of fulfilling. Why I went. We covered a few things. It's hard to say. First 810 went by quick Don bless and high rags. Hello. I guess they mean eight hours and ten minutes have gone by already. It's a third of the way through. Have you seen Banshee? I'd like to see EFAP crew review my favorite TV show. It's fast paced action show with some of my favorite characters. No, we've even heard of Banshee. But I was on a real BBC or open bar. I think where it was described the idea is the premise it X con takes the identity of a sheriff of a small town to try and exist there or something. It could be interesting. I know that's a that's a synthetic man's moderation policy span she. We have fun. Chuba yum yum a new EFAP nemesis. Chuba yum yum. Could be a friendly sounds like a sounds like an like an Ewok maybe. I would hang out with Chuba yum yum. That's definitely that's a Star Wars name. That's a Star Wars name. Chuba yum yum. I like a obviously that meme from very much non Star Wars fans where it just says like glove shit. Oh yeah. I had mentioned it's weird actually that this gets brought up. I was in a call with some other friends and we I had mentioned that when we were talking about Star Wars and he said what he loves. Gloves shit. Oh, they need to have a character called Gloves shit. Oh, it is. Oh, shit. Oh, I saw one. Oh, my God. It's Gloves shit. Oh, now it's like Gloves shit. Oh, it's come to life now. I think they don't give a shit anymore. It's like these people these don't worry Star Wars theories will love it. We'll just throw in Gloves shit. Oh, I'm sure it'll be a Jedi Vassar. You'll see face over seeing Gloves shit. Oh, I certainly do not hit my brain off a balloons tower defense. That game requires a fuck ton of focus on harder difficulties through. Yep. Our defense games can be very intensive. I know in the there was a bunch of them in the flat. I mean, there's still a bunch of course, but especially in that flash game era. There were lots and lots and lots of town. Yeah, it was because the town defense was big one flash element TD. I used to love Vector TD was based on I want to say possibly World of Warcraft or something. No, I had some for the like the games. There were some good else. Yeah. Just getting nostalgic thinking about flash games in the 2000s. Oh, the last stand was a game on flash. It was good. It was it was. What was it? Plants for zombies. Oh, we have our defense game. Yeah. Remember the first plants were zombies? Man, that shit was good. That was all. Yeah. Do you remember when they made the third person like competitive multiplayer shooter? Yeah, I heard it's all right. Yeah. I've heard I've heard generally good things about it. It's interesting. Yeah, an interesting idea. Garden warfare. That's what it was called. Garden warfare. Yeah. Of course, because I was I was back during like the modern warfare in a big deal. Well, I guess now modern warfare is a big deal again, I suppose. Hour eight of 24. That's better. Okay. Fine. This guy is the straw man. He's been trying to set on fire. Well, and I don't even know who we were covering to make something. I don't even know. Just came back from a firework show to be greeted by the sight of Batwoman. Truly a great night. Ah, yes, because we would have had that woman between. Batwoman. Oh, Batwoman. What even has become of watching Batwoman? I don't even know. I don't even know what's going on with Batwoman. So I will say watching that first season was glorious though. Apparently the end of part one of three of. Oh, yeah. The next one says the start of part two. Guessing something. Donated that. Signify what event we are at. On we go. Batwoman's most important contribution in injustice was when she died, lol. Uh, is this injustice the game? Or the good. Sorry, could you say that again? Batwoman's most important contribution to injustice was when she died. Yeah, I think in the comics like she died, but it was in order to do the like thing that brings the heroes from the like regular sort of universe to come over and save everyone. Oh, so it helped is what you mean? Yeah, like, uh, cause, cause I think I damn, I'm trying to remember it was like they needed like an interdimensional portal in the injustice universe to bring over like good heroes from a different universe to like stop Superman. I think she was helping them and then like as part of that she got vaporized but like that was that was while she was helping in the process and bringing over like the good heroes. So yeah. So like, in a sense, she ultimately helps like contribute to like the world being saved. All right. Somehow beautiful and unsettling at the same time that woman or you have both do not know. Yeah, I do not know. Reject live action embrace animation. Yeah, I'm happy. Nice to see some 2D animation. What are you? Don't even know how much that was. What is like a video game cutscene countless 3D animation? That's animation. I mean, I don't know what I meant to. Yeah, that's animation. It's unless they film it with just like, I mean, they do do motion capture, but it's still animation. You did say do do. That's very funny. But yeah, of course, it's like animation. Yeah. Yeah, it's animation. We can't call it live action. We're not going to be like those weirdos watching the Lion King. I mean, it is it is animation 3D animation animation. Yeah. Is that the two categories of everything? Animation and not animation. Well, I mean, there's yeah, there's there's live action and there's animation. I mean, yeah, I think so. I think those are the two paths you can take because if you're talking about like claymation or I think that nature. That's under the umbrella of animation, of course, from animus Latin for spirit. So it all kind of, you know, falls underneath the umbrella of giving, you know, movement to, you know, picture. Yeah, like I'm not I'm not sure I've never thought about that. It's kind of funny. You brought it up, but like I don't see how there could be anything that isn't either like real life filmed or animation. And we're talking about motion pictures. I'd be shot it or you created it like using tools that aren't like, you know, real people. I'm gonna find a way in my head of you're either you're filming life or you're bringing life to non living things in a way. The problem is that like anything that you gave me that was middle ground would like I feel like I don't see what a middle ground could possibly be because if it is something that is like a still thing that is being moved by like like through techniques, like that's animation, you know. Yeah. In the animation or motion capture or claymation or hand drawn to the animation like it's all animation. Yeah. I get I get what you mean. It's kind of like you've had the thought of like, wait, is there anything other than live action or animation? Like is there anything other than that? But I mean, not that I can think of. Yeah. I think it all falls underneath the umbrella of being one or the other. Yeah. It is life or it's giving life of the appearance of life appearances. A robot is programmed to move on its own and we film. That would be live action. That's live action. Of course. Yeah. It's like if the movement comes from itself or it's simulated by individual movements being put together frames. Well, I mean, well, I mean, of course, remember that like a film is a bunch of still images being displayed at a rate that's fast enough to simulate movement for the recording of this and either the life comes from them or is given to them by like moving. Well, so it's pretty funny because Wikipedia does present it as an economy. Live action is a form of cinematography that uses photography instead of animation. I would say like puppetry is animation. Well, if you go with this live action, but I get what you mean. But I mean, it's like talk maybe puppetry is the one that creates the confusion. Well, I don't know why we create confusion though. Like if I shoot it on a camera like that's live action, it's a real life like thing that I'm moving around. So that would be plain I guess you would say it. Well, yeah. But so so the reason why I find that funny is because I was thinking about that too because the whole thing with clay nation is that follows the same principles as like every other animation with frames. Well, I mean, think about it this way, right to the animation when it came to like back in the day was was like the cell, you know where you put like you've got like your film and then you've got like the cell of fame with like the little image that you needed like the new illustration, take a picture, move it out, move it in like I mean that was obviously made like in the real world. Like it was a physical object that existed didn't change anything though, right? Like it's animation. It's it's it's animation is is is where it's it's still figures that are like made to be moving like something that is still or motionless is made to move or appear that it's moving. I hope that was actually a product of the of the chat thinking. I feel like he's not satisfied. No, not at all. I'm thinking about the puppet example Rags gave when a monkey wrench and that it actually puppet one's weird for me because I could see it being considered both. Are we we're talking about like like like puppet master kind of typical like puppets like I guess it is I to maybe think about it this way like when you're watching like the Lego movie and then you've got like the actual like animation pretty animation like Lego stuff and then like you cut to the scene where where like it's Will Ferrell and his kid is like playing with a little Lego figures. You wouldn't look at that and go like, man, that's like animation right there. Like he's he's like moving around the Lego figures as if they were like characters. Well, he's. Yeah, but you wouldn't look at so I go like, ah, but that's animation like him when he's moving the little like Lego figure that's animation, but like him the surrounding context is live action. Like you wouldn't say that. So if you had a film of somebody like moving a like a claymation model, if you had a film that well, I mean, yeah, I guess I'll give you we could we could use this as an example. There was a so there's the new Pinocchio movie, which I haven't watched yet, but well, new we're dating this. The Pinocchio movie by Guillermo del Toro that stop motion animation. So obviously, you know, like you've got all of your figures, take picture, move a little bit, take a picture, move a little bit, take a picture and that's that's animation, obviously. But like if I was watching behind the scenes thing where he then picks up like the little figure for the cricket is like, hey, here's the cricket that they're looking to move. Like that's not animation. That's you're shooting him like on a camera, him doing something like in real life. And what about those special behind the scenes footage with a speed up process and so that you have the guy doing his stop motion animation, but you still the hands come. Yeah, so that's the one that I'm thinking about that's kind of interesting what you've created there is in a sense an animation. You've got stop motion animation, but also live action at the same time. Yeah, which is kind of I call that both because there's nothing mutually exclusive about the two. That means it has to be one or the other. You could have them existing in the same frames of either, you know, being recorded or you know, whatever it is. That's like if you're watching a film where a character is watching an animation on the screen. It's like, what is that? It's like a live action film with an animation in it. Maybe that's like an easy way to say it. You're watching something that's live action, but it's got an animation playing out inside of it. So like if you watch, I don't know, like like if you're watching a behind the scenes on a Disney movie and then you've got the animator who's got the table with like all the sheets to do the flip some. Yeah, I see. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess we should just reference straight. Bring Roger Rabbit. That's that's all right. That's a hybrid. Oh, yeah. You're right. Of course, of course. You're right. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Well, I don't know where else you go to get this kind of discussion. Yeah, Mahler. What about the puppet? What is it about the puppet that's upsetting you? I just explained it. I don't have to pop right. Did we just explain it specifically? That is what when you do stop motion animation, you move stuff around. It is a form of a puppet. Well, sure. But like I thought we're talking about like if you have like a sock puppet, it's like, Hello, I'm, you know, I'm Jim. I'm a sock. Well, so that'd be curious, right? What if you recorded a video of that, but then you slowed down the FPS enough and it was recorded in such a way that it now gets choppy, but it simulates a form of movement. I don't know. Does that would we say that like if we had like an action in to stop motion? I I don't see how I like that doesn't follow to me. I guess it's an ocean like I'll do it nice and slow. Right? I'm not going to owe it in you here, but if I have, okay, you know, think of an absurd scenario I'm recording and every 24 seconds, I move him in a very slight way, but it's all live action. And then I chop it up to being one frame per 24 frames instead, but slowed right down but then crushed together. And so now it simulates actual movement. It all came from a live action recording. Well, I mean, yeah, that's why wouldn't that be animation in the same way that like when they make Wallace and Gromit, those are real like objects. Because it's still it's just a speed change on a live action recording. I think we're sure that like I could just say that like the speed change of like when I'm making when you're making a claimation or a stop motion animation is like all of these pictures that you've taken and then just puts them together and not get out all the way. I'm referring to those nothing has changed in terms of people moving things around like the actual hands coming into to alternate. It's like the video is just in slow. We would I don't we call it stop motion animation when we take a movie and slow it down? No, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's some distinct. Well, I think I mean like I'm not I would figure that what is sort of highlighted with stop motion is essentially that that that like you've got like, you know, clay figures or create the other or any number of things that are well, it's just that they're not and then you got to manipulate. Yeah. The model and then move it just a little bit. Take your picture. Move a little bit. Take your picture. Move a little bit. Take the picture. I think I think there's almost baked into that this notion of like curation, you know, that like that's almost like an element that's baked into the notion of animation is this direct level of curation over the movement in a manner that's like exceedingly deliberate. I mean, do we get this and I mean, of course, it's easy to say this about old Ray Harryhausen movies like Valley of the Gwange and, you know, Jason and the Argonauts that sort of thing. But when you have like, what about just like typical CGI, you know, I mean, I guess it's more common than you think so much that we don't really think about it. Pretty much. I mean, I'm not actually cool CGI animation. Like when I'm like when I'm flying around and shooting stuff that's animation. Yeah, that's animation. And it exists alongside live action stuff so much that you don't even really think about it. Um, I guess, I guess. Well, I guess, I guess that's kind of highlighting the point, right? Is that like the distinction itself is sometimes very useful to identify in other times. It's like, well, I mean, ultimately at the end of the day, it's all in service of a of some form of entertainment. Right. Because like all video games animation, every single video game is animation or has an. Well, no, probably every video game has some level some level of animation. Like I'm just even going through menus or something. There'd have to be a. It's always like you have to choose your own adventure. Can't start like animation, of course, like that. Well, well, what if it was what if it was a film? It was all film. Oh, well, I mean, all of the possibilities and you would choose which one is which. Like instead of, I mean, like an FMV, right? Like those FMV games that were like live action filming. Yeah. And if you as you could just make a whole bunch of different recordings that were that could be super, you know, super in-depth detailed and a lot of them so that you really did have like hundreds of different alterations of what the characters do, but instead of it being, you know, rendered graphics or whatever or, you know, you know, that's an interesting one now that you made me think about because I know that a lot of video games in the 90s would. Yeah, yeah. I'm actually reference. Well, I think Mortal Combat, like the characters that was photography that they put into the game. But I mean, I guess that would be an example, right? That's animation. You've got like still images that you took and then you've integrated them into the game to simulate movement. What if it was well, if it was all game, like, like I said, an entire game, that's nothing but FMVs. It was like, it's not even FMVs. It's like a movie. It's almost like. Like the actors like that. Yeah. Yeah, actors that have there's no animation involved. It's all live action. And they just film all of the possibilities and you just use a button input to do the possibilities essentially and the actors. You know, they do all the thing like a film and they go until it's time for you to make another choice and it's all no, no animation whatsoever. And you can toss some for like the button like the UI throw that in of course, but that's the separate from the thing itself. But but yeah, I mean, I guess supposedly you could have a video game that is that doesn't have graphics. Well, I mean, I guess the problem is if we're describing graphics as being like holy artificial, like it's all graphics, right? Like in a sense, yeah, but not in the sense of like no one looks at a movie and is like, wow, look at like, oh, I guess they started with the video game graphics, not like. But I feel like that's that's we're getting back into the same discussion that we're having here, right? Where it's like, well, it's all graphics. Like when I go watch a film, that's graphics. Like it's not graphics in the coincidence in the way that it's often used colloquially, but it's all graphics. Like what is graphic design? It's just like the imagery. That's that's what it describes. I guess maybe the argument would be that it's no, actually, no, it would just be. Yeah, that's what graphics are. It's just imagery. Part of this is to do with when it's defined creation or presentation. Really. Here's about but a live action movie inside a video game. Yeah, that's literally hanging in darkness, right? The darkness. What was that? There was like a recent video game that was like highly acclaimed that was that where was all live action, but then you have like inputs, but it was all filmed. It was it was all real people. What was there? It was a video game and I think it was called like the darkness. You're like a mob boss or a mob mob guy who gets killed. Well, I don't need for speed. You know, need for speed like the old need for speed games when they had like live action like cutscenes. No, I'm talking about there was a there was a full movie inside of the game that you could watch if you wanted to. I think like the protagonist was on the couch with his girlfriend. And if you wanted to just remain in that cutscene or remain there on the couch watching the movie, the whole movie would play on the TV. You know what? It's funny that you've said that because I just saw a thing on Twitter high on life like has that too. That has like four movies that you can see on TV. Got a culture on one of them. Really? We had to see them of all people are doing this big because they did a video recently where they did a big old Rick and Morty thing. Well, because I think it's so like mainstream and almost iterative now, but RLM, the like hyper hipsters are like doing collaborations. It feels really well. I mean, I get what you mean, I guess, but I think I think Rich Evans and he's got like a voice in that game, right? I hope so. I fucking love listening to anything. I hope he says AIDS at some point. Well, look, I don't know if if he's one of the guns, maybe because I mean, that's what most of the celebrity because I got Michael Cusack is his knifey, the Australian knife who likes to stab and I like how everybody got mad about that. But I just find it amusing. I don't know. I'm sorry. I find it amusing to have an Australian guy playing a knife who just enjoys stabbing and says it. I was I apologies if you'd mentioned this while I was looking it up. But you had mentioned high on life. Yeah. That's that's like that game has a full movie in it. Yeah, that's oh, so yeah, you didn't hear what I said. Okay, I was I brought up high on life is because that is an example of a game that's got a couple of full length movies in it. Okay, I got you. There's there's one for the one I was thinking about thinking of was to kill a mockingbird is in the game the darkness. Oh, okay. Destroy all humans. The original had plan nine from outer space in it. Did it? Yeah. Oh, okay. Interesting. There is. I'm just going through this little. You know, I feel like it's going to be interesting to watch the the discussions about high on life is because it seems like it's kind of the it seems like it's kind of the maybe like the point where people start to consider. A lot of people are saying that it is like Rick and Morty humor, but I feel like that's kind of an interesting observation because it's like but it's kind of it's got parts of Rick and Morty humor by the looks of it. But like also kind of not to it's kind of like forgetting that because I don't think Dan Harmon has anything to do with that game. It's just Justin Rowland and like another team. Like it's we haven't seen it, but Solar Opposites is probably one that would be worthwhile to watch to see what it looks like when it's Justin Rowland and not Dan Harmon there. And then because I mean, I guess we've got a litmus to like community is Dan Harmon without Justin Rowland, but Rick and Morty is the two of them together. What does it look like when it's just Justin Rowland is like the main creative voice? And then it has guns that I guess the thing with video games is that like, man, you really like run a risk when you have lots of dialogue in a video game because like if people don't enjoy the dialogue, it kind of can make the experience like very difficult. Oh, yeah. Like if you don't enjoy the game where a character is called Nike and just yells about how much he enjoys stabbing, you know, like if that's really annoying to you, like you might not. You might not play that. That's like pretty much all comedies is man, like a bad comedy doesn't hit. Yeah, it's the worst thing in the fucking universe is a bad comedy. God, I got an animated course when it's a video game. It's a video game that's trying to be a comedy. If you're not enjoying the comedy and you also need to have that while you're trying to play the game, like that can be like that game is probably going to be incredibly divisive. Like if you don't enjoy the humor, like I feel like you're not going to have any fun at all. I want to play it though. I want to I want to see for myself like I want to see if I if I like it. I think what I'm more interested in with that game is like so putting to one side all of the gimmicks with like the fact that the guns talk and everything does it have fun combat? Like is it fun to shoot the guns? Is it is it, you know, is it strong as a shooter mechanically? It's one of the one of the reasons why Stanley Parable was so beloved when it came out is because the what it was doing was done very well. And if it wasn't done very well, it'd be a fucking miserable game. I guess it wasn't clever. It wasn't funny. Well, if Porter wasn't funny, then it would still be like a really great puzzle game. But I guess like, I don't know, like Gladys and Wheatley weren't saying funny and interesting things. Maybe that wouldn't be as fun. I guess that's a game where it's like if the writing wasn't great, it wouldn't have been as encumbered as something like I on life where like if you don't find that funny, you probably can't play that game. Like it seems like it would be very difficult. Well, I mean, the fact that the whole the cake is a lie thing it took off and it was so big was because that the game's writing was so good and memorable and funny that sort of gave birth to that. Shit, other worse uses of I. I think I damn, I had like a train of thought there to do with like dialogue. And oh, I think I think something that is that seems to be more common now is that I think it used to be way more common that in like a video game characters would talk in cutscenes but when it was gameplay, they like never said anything. Yeah, like ration and clank would probably be a good example. Like those characters talk in cutscenes when it's gameplay. There's like never a moment where clank chimes in to say something like it's just pure gameplay until you hit a cutscene and then they'll talk again to other people. Whereas in the new ration and clank games they like are always talking. They talk all the time like during gameplay. Well, yeah. And some people would call that a problem. But I think it's like pretty obvious from playing in 18 and Ragnarok that they probably decided early on like we got a lot of moving around to do and climbing and obviously loading screens as well. We might need dialogue. What could we do to facilitate that when we have a character that doesn't really want to speak at all? And then a character who's his kid is like throw in this chaotic third element then we can get loads of conversations going and then almost every time you move through the bifrost or if you go to particular loading area like areas that you'll come and end up they have like end stock conversations that are playing and you can exhaust them all and then it'll pile up the rest of the game but the assumption of course is that you've pretty much completed the game by the time you get through. Like yeah, that was obviously placed there because they were like we just trying to avoid you getting bored and so then comes in like well, that's not going to work very well if everyone finds them annoying anyway. Well, hope they don't. Well, I yeah, that's like the risk you run if your characters are interesting and funny or and it's you know, like then then you'll be okay. But if they're not like you're in a lot of trouble it's I mean it's because for as much as there have been complaints about riding off with characters like telling you about puzzles and stuff like I would not want to lose any of those conversations that we get like as they're moving between different locations. Like just like if the tradeoff is that they they give me the answer to puzzles or I get no conversations during like you know, traveling to places. I'll happily take them. Meanwhile, I guess to compare to another Sony cinematic game like Horizon Forbidden West every single time that you do anything in that game like Aloy will say where you need to go next or like what you need to do but there's nobody around. She's just talking to herself. I was actually about to say does she not have a companion? No, she's she's just saying it to herself like she's reminding herself what she needs to do. That was weird because people talk to I talk to myself all the time. I'm not a crazy. It's a mark of high intellect. But how do you actually or that? That's legitimately what I've heard. I've heard generally people who tend to talk to themselves or it often is a sign of high intellect. I'm a very high IQ self talker person to myself for so right like that one away for later point being but people do talk to themselves and it's normal for people to do that. So having a video game character talk to themselves that always it's weird because it comes across often times as like when like when Atreus does it and some of the sections and God of War it's like this just seems really man, I don't I don't I don't like it. He like the way he's talking to himself isn't it just doesn't feel right. So the way that I would explain it is that when I was playing Forbidden West it's like you're not talking to yourself. You're talking to me. You tell me where I need to go. Yeah, you got to write it to really feel like the character is talking to the character. Not the character is talking to the player. I feel like it's it's kind of funny because even though those games didn't do a Jack and the Axel Ratchet and Clank the characters don't talk to each other during gameplay like if they made those games now it's it's easy, right? You just have Jack notice or Dax to like notice or something and then the two can talk about it. And then because and hopefully if you've got like a dynamic that's set up that's entertaining which is pretty easy when you got two characters, right? Just give them you just have you straight man and your wacky guy like that's an easy combo and then you can have them talk to each other. But then again, I don't know. It's it's like if I were making a video game I'm not sure if I would want to have the characters talk during gameplay feels like it's such a if it was like I need to be very very very confident that the dialogue I've written is going to be like broadly entertaining. But I will say I I would be interested because one of my favorite games is well, of course, Hellblade sinuous sacrifice is very is very relevant to this topic though I would like you guys to you know play it at some time. It's not very long, but to play it at some time and to see how that element of the story is done is done whether you think it's done well or not. Oh, I've just thought of something that's relevant. You guys have a game for spoken that's coming out like in a month or two or spoke one. It's the one that got memes with the dialogue like a few months ago. Oh, you know, like like the dragons thing. Yeah. Oh well. So that game has like the characters talking to each other in it, but the game includes an option to turn down the conversations to like only story essential, which is kind of funny because like I look at that and it's like it's not great that you feel like you have to do that like in terms of an indicative of like your confidence in your own writing. But at the same time, like that's probably a good idea to have an option in a game to like reduce dialogue to like story essential like in gameplay. I'm not sure. What do you think about that? Like giving people the option to like reduce dialogue that is like meant to be advanced in character presumably, but is not like story essential given the conversations we've had about the nature of like essential and inessential dialogue. They really feel like their dialogue isn't important enough to be viewed. If what can be turned off that is up to them. Personally, I probably wouldn't make that. I might get. What would what would you do if everybody told you that they hated the dialogue though? Like you know, it's when when synthetic man says I hate listening to Mamiya talk. I'm like, okay. And if he said like, there should be an option to turn it off. I'm like, fuck no story that's happening there. If you don't like it, I can play it. I guess right. So it would just be like a matter of authorial intent. The author is telling you it's okay. I'm not upset. I think it's like if you guys if you two made a game and you had some character who talked to a lot about the state of the world or whatever and that you're like, we introduced this thing. You can turn him off. If you don't like him, I would then be like, so you don't think he's necessary then. Right. Like cause why would it be in there unless you thought that it was important? And it's like if you guys said, yeah, no, he's just a bit of fun. Like maybe turn it on. I was like, okay, it's just I guess I'm at what point do you say like keep turn. Can I turn off the story? You know, can I play the game or playing non-story mode, but it's still right, right? Like, but then again, I guess it's it's on the other spectrum. You'd have like, cause you know how like a lot of games now say, give me a story is like easy mode because you're not really engaging with the mechanics much. Well, even skip cutscenes could be the equivalent of skipping or removing the story. Right. And like everybody hates unskippable cutscenes. Don't they? Like that's like a universally annoying thing. Yeah, I think part of it is it's it's not generally like a mode of the game. Removing a character entirely from me able to speak versus skipping their lines in the middle of a conversation because of course, I mean, two different things. Yeah. Yeah. Plus cause generally cutscenes, you can skip the each cutscene individually. You could choose to watch them if you want. So that option's kind of, you know, partially baked in, but it's up to you and the choice is yours. And it in no way removes, you know, anything from anyone who doesn't. I guess that's the thing is like if you had written banter that was really funny and you knew it, you would never feel compelled to put in a button to make it so that people don't have to listen to it. Well, in the same way that wouldn't want to be like, I mean, you can do this maybe on certain modes, but if someone was everyone hated bed of chaos and doxels, deligents will update it. So you can play a mode without bed of chaos. Feel like this range. Well, because of course it's kind of like it's kind of a half measure right. It's like, you know, there's the alternative of making it better. Exactly. The thing that we feel like we're avoiding here is like, why are you removing this character from annoying dialogue instead of just trying to make better dialogue? I guess. Well, yeah, because I guess with bed of chaos, it's really stuck. It's like, you're just avoiding the problem here. Like you're avoiding fixing something that you know is fucked. Whereas with dialogue, it's like, oh, but you just don't like it. It's like, well, is that really it? Or is there like actually something wrong here that's worth addressing? I think it's something that you allude to every once in a while. Yeah, because a lot of people have the automatic. This is kind of like advice for writers that are noise in the same vein as your character should always be the rust of the plot, right? You should always be the active participant in the same way be like in in games, player choice is always better. Like more choice equals better when it's like, is that even true? Is that true? Yeah. How much sounds pretty intuitive, right? Like, who doesn't love more choices? For example, like, I don't know walking down a hallway and you see like a closed door. It's like, if that door were open a ball and there was stuff behind it, that would be better. It's like, that true? That just improved the game. Yeah. Well, yeah, in fact, man, because now I'm thinking about Ratchet and Clank again, I remember that it was a video where it was a gaming group was talking about why he thought Ratchet and Clank three was like overrated, which I disagree with. And one of the points he made was like, you'll notice like in Ratchet and Clank one and two, like usually when you get into a level, there's like two paths forward. I can't remember what he said specifically, but it was along the lines of this is better, right? Like, this is this is just better and I don't really need to explain why. He did explain why. I like the conclusion was two paths is better than one path, essentially, which I feel like that's something that on its face is like, oh, yeah, of course, but like not really like it depends. It like, I don't know that it's strictly better or worse that a Ratchet and Clank game gives you two paths or one path. Because of course, the argument someone could make is like, well, yeah, but it's one very tightly choreographed like path that's going to be super engaging and like varied and disparate. It's it's ultimately it's less a matter of like good or bad and more a matter of priorities. Do you want to emphasize to the player that when you get into a location, you're going to explore like this is your, you know, go go look around and see what you can find verses. This is what you're doing. Go do it. Like, I don't know that you could say that one is necessarily better than the other. But I think I think it's like a thing that if you present it to somebody, they'd be like, well, yeah, of course, two is better than one, right? Like you could be two options. But we've I'm pretty sure we talked about this recently is I don't like it when stealth games let you go full blown action hero and like make that a viable path. I think that stealth game should encourage stealth and then the best way to self is to disincentivize combat make it so very as long as they design the game around whatever format they're going for, right? Like, that's sort of where I am to I'm fine with all guns blazing if they've built it so that it's rewarding in both ways. I would I guess I suppose that my counter to that would be if you've built it that way. That's cool. But I'm just telling you personally that my preference in a stealth game is when stealth is like the way to play. Let me ask you this. Is is a stealth game like a genre argument where it should be? I that's an interesting question because what I'm thinking about right now is human revolution was not great for action. Like that is a stealth that is way better as a stealth game than an action game. Mankind divided is like a lot better on an action standpoint. And but I mean that the argument that they would make is yeah, but we were never making a stealth game. We were making an action RPG. We want to give players like the whole point of that game is like emphasizing player choice. And so by creating one mode of play that is like heavily disincentivized or just not very fun. It's kind of like counter counterproductive in terms of like their goals as a game. But if you were like making a thief game and it's like yeah, Garrett can just like go in with like and just kill everybody. He can pull out a sword and like do this crazy combat and lock people's heads off and stuff. It would just be like, man, that's like really weird. It just feels like it runs contrary to the notion of being a thief that like you can just like blaze through all of these heavily. Maybe that would be a difference between a robber and a burglar. I guess it would be. Maybe maybe there's like an argument that stems from like from like Ludo narrative dissonance actually that like it seems more congruent that Adam Jensen depending on what abilities he can upgrade should be really proficient in combat. Yeah, because you can. Yeah, you choose a yeah, you essentially choose and he was a security guy. Like build that place officer as well. So like there's sort of, you know, like if it feels like like it makes it's more viable with him being like Robocop that he can essentially like build in spec into combat. Meanwhile, Garrett is meant to be this very nimble thief like he's he's he's a thief. He's really good at sneaking around. Just change his skill set, you know, by yeah, it's well, yeah. And it reflects in the way that he plays like if you play that game as a stealth character, like he's it's really satisfying, but like the combat is not fun and he's not good at it. Like if there's two enemies that gets you, it's like, oh, game over. You're done. Like you've got to run away. You can't like fight two or more people really acceptable to them if it's incredibly difficult, but still possible. Um, I think that, uh, I think that I don't like the idea that the stealth that like that being detected and and like combat is impossible. I think I think that that should always be like an option. I just don't think it should be a very viable option. Like you can do that if you want, but it's going to be like so fucking hard, um, because they want to encourage you to play in a certain way, which is to play stealthily. It's kind of like one of the. Yeah, I'm I'm fine with that, but I think my preferences like Mahler is where I like a game that takes into account, uh, you know, you having different options and tackling it in its own ways. Well, I guess what I would, what I would emphasize is the level of options that you can afford somebody that are still stealth, like that there's a breadth of options that are stealth. Yeah, it has to have a different style. Right. Like, yeah. Don't give me stealth mechanics. It might even better for you to just not even bother if they're just crap mechanics. That's what you want to be an action game. Just make an action game. It's kind of the place where right now that's really lame is that there aren't a lot of stealth games anymore. And I think the reason why there aren't a lot of stealth games is because a lot of third person action games have stealth elements, but it ain't the same. Like it's not like you don't have like Uncharted does not have the same stealth as Splinter Cell or or like, uh, or Metal Gear Solid or, uh, or Thief like it just, it ain't the same or Deus Ex, which is, which is more so meant to be like trying to be an action RPG. I think I know that I've said this and it's something that I would wholly maintain, which is that I think that stealth game should never have forced combat ever. I think that like a stealth game, even if they have forced detection should always make it a viable option to get back into stealth. That happens all the time in stealth games where that's the thing. Oh, you've been like, you've been detected or the mission being that you have to. Yeah. You have to escape now. Yes, but I don't want to be forced to fight or kill anyone. I, uh, I actually, I really like it when stealth games give you like the ability to play through non-lethaly. Like that's always been something that I really like is when a stealth game gives you the option to go totally non-lethal. Again, with the forced combat example you gave like wouldn't my answer is always going to be if it depends on how they implement it. What if it's a good. Um, I would, the thing is, is that I don't know that I would be able to make like any strict like, uh, totally, uh, rock solid argument in favor of it. I think that it's kind of just runs contrary to like, I guess the, uh, the general principle of trying to create a stealth game, which is to essentially empower the player through, in a sense disempowering them, putting them in a position where they're incredibly vulnerable and it's, it's much more about using your wits. It could just be that kind of game, right? Uh, well, it could just not be that kind of game. I, I guess I'd be happy to say that this is very much like one of the rare examples of me trying to appeal to a genre category to sort of guide the decisions that are being made to provide a particular experience. If someone said like, I hate Sean with the dead because it's betraying horror by having so much comedy in it. And this one said it is a horror comedy. And they'd be like, well, no, it's, it's horror and I don't, I don't like this whole injection of comedy into horror. They get ruins the whole atmosphere. How am I supposed to be scared of when David gets torn to shreds when this whole movie is fucking batshit nonsense? In terms of everyone like not taking it seriously? Why should I care when, uh, any of them die? And it's like, I'm sorry, man, that's the genre. If you don't care, you don't care. If you do care, you can't say like, ah, we just shouldn't be comedy in this. It's ruining the horror. I think it's value to having. Go for it. Actually, yeah, I think there's value to having a lot of games that are not because I wouldn't, even if they were all done well, I feel like I still wouldn't want to have every game as a mix. I would want games that are specifically stealth games, specifically action games. I would have a lot of value to that. I agree. Um, but and I think to expand on it, something I would add is that part of my argument stems from an understanding of just the reality of, like, how people. Well, a couple of things. So I think the reality is that when you're making a game, you have to make choices about what you're going to focus on. It's just the nature of like creating any piece of art, especially one where multiple people are working on it. You have a budget and timeframe. You got to make choices about what you're going to focus on, and it just seems that it's often the games that focus very heavily on being a stealth game. If they can focus in on making that great, it has fantastic results. Meanwhile, when games try to spread out a little bit more and then build out, like, oh, yeah, the stealth is going to be viable, but so is going to be the action. Like it can be like, oh, like sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Um, mine would be more of a pragmatic appeal as well as like an appeal to the things I personally enjoy, which is like when you've got limited time and you need to, you need to like figure out what you're going to focus on to make it great. I would just like prefer it. If, if there was more of a focus on making stealth games like very heavily about the stealth rather than play it your way, um, like I think an example I would highlight is I feel like dishonored is a good example of this. I feel like dishonored is, um, I like dishonored, but like not lethal stealth is kind of like, man, you're not giving me a lot of options here. Um, and I feel like the reason why I don't have a lot of options is because a lot of the most fun and engaging stuff in that game is lethal combat. Um, it's kind of like a game. I don't know about dishonored too so much because I'm playing on very much. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Dishonored too. I, the, my playthrough of it was a full stealth non lethal and I really enjoyed it. Um, and I, and I played his core. Well, you can play as either Corvo or the other one. And Corvo is definitely the more, it seems to be the more stealthy, the person whose powers and abilities are more stealthy oriented. Right. And I just really, really enjoyed playing through that game in that way. Similar to how I played through human revolution was like non lethal, full stealth. And not only does it give you, seem to give you so much more mileage out of the game, but it just, uh, I really, I really enjoy that. I don't know what I was trying to say about this with Sean, the dad is a perception point. Right. It'd be like, you've acted to comedy, you've ruined the horror when they would be like, well, no, it was always comedy horror in the same way that this you've just highlighted like a lot of games that go in stealth and they ruin it by having like action options. I would say that there's plenty of examples where I think they, they stapled the stealth on embarrassingly rather than the other one. Oh, well, sure. But like, yeah, but that was what I was saying before. One of the reasons why I think that there aren't stealth games anymore is because of a lot of like third person action adventure games that have very light stealth elements. And then like the stealth is really lame, but it's like almost viewed as, ah, but you're happy, right? There's this is stealth and it's like, but it's not though. Is it really? That seems like a different problem. Well, no, I think I think that the reason why there aren't many stealth games anymore is because a lot of third person action adventure games have stealth elements and for whatever reason, it's it's just, I don't know how else to see it because like from the 90s in the 2000s, there are a lot of stealth games. But with the turn of like the third person cinematic action adventure game, there's just a lot less of them now. We have people who just incentivize to make full stealth games. I think obviously. Yes. And I think that the reason why that's happened is because there might be there may well be a perception in the market of like, well, what are you talking about? There aren't stealth games in Horizon Forbidden West. You like hide from the dinosaur robots and then you go in the grass and then you attack them from the grass, but like it's missing all of the other elements that a lot of stealth games have like being able to like move around in capacitated enemies or leverage disguises like in Hitman or or like I hope nobody would actually call Horizon a stealth game in the same way that I hope I don't think anybody would call it a stealth game. Some people might call the last of us a stealth game. I don't know. They might actually come before stealth in that one. Oh, yeah. Almost certainly. Almost certainly. They would I might be wrong in my perception of that, but that's what it feels like to me that the reason why there aren't many stealth games anymore is because there was a perception that the likes of those games have sort of filled that market. Yeah, even though they are not a suitable substitute, they're not a substitute. You know, like the stealth in the last of us compared to the stealth in Hitman. It's absurd. But then again, I guess there's an example right Hitman is one of the few like stealth games that still feels like it's enduring today because I've been making new ones. I haven't looked into how stealth is doing. I assume there's still options like the Indie market. There are definitely there are definitely stealth options in like Indie market and middle market. It's just that back in the 2000s it's like Splinter Cell Metal Gear Solid Hitman Thief, you know, kind of into the early 2000s like they were games that were more prominent in the in like the landscape. Whereas now it's like I'm not sure what I would point to that is like sort of like a relatively big budget stealth game. They just don't seem to be around. Come back to the choices thing right like I was trying to suggest that I'm fine with them as long as they implement them well while you were like I prefer a more focused just like that just sounds like you want more stealth-oriented games as a primary genre title. Yeah. Yeah. So the problem is people are making them. At the moment it's it's just not in the this is this is not many of them around. Yeah, which I guess unfortunate reality is like, you know, in the same way that people like too many Marvel is currently dominating the bar bar and everyone's just like to wait until it's not as we can do. I guess the thing is is I don't know. I feel like we need a because everybody's been asking for a new Splinter Cell game for a long time and I feel like it's never going to happen. Though I heard that wasn't there a rumor recently that they are going to make a Splinter Cell remake? Well, I'm curious if stealth still sells right? Well, I guess it's kind of it's maybe maybe that will help because what we've seen with like Dead Space remake and like Resident Evil because the Resident Evil 2 remake seem to spur a lot of these like new third-person like survival horror kind of like resurgence when that felt like it was a genre that was really like you had a lot of the sort of first person like, you know, amnesia and stuff like that. But now it feels like there's been a reminder that games like Dead Space are like viable. I completely forgot. I guess I need to is like have to do stealth throughout all of that in a in a sense. All right. Like that those types of horror games have some level of like involved stealth elements. I mean, like the primary gameplay, I guess it realizing what are your options though when it comes to like stealth in that game? What does it look like? Well, it's less to do with how many options there are with stealth and more to do with how that's like once I list the options, it's like what else have we even got? It's like not really much all right. I say right. I guess that's an categorically last to fall into stealth because there's not really much else it could right. That was kind of the same like alien isolation, right? Well, like you didn't really have any viable options to fight the alien. So like in that sense of health game, much as that's true. You still had all the Android combat and you had a whole weapon really. Oh, okay. Right. I didn't play that. I didn't play much of that game. So I'm usually like you get no weapons, a source of light and about it. Run and hide and hopefully don't disturb the enemy. I think that that can be that can be engaging as like a cool is one of my favorite games of all time. I think I think what I like when I think about like a stealth game, like what is a really cool stealth game is like I get to play a character who is really adept at stealth. Probably not very good of combat, but that's okay because they have so many opt. Oh, pardon me. They have so many options by way of stealth in terms of interacting with the environment to make it easier to maneuver through it. Means of taking down enemies from afar or close up. The ability to to have further interactions with the environment in terms of being able to distract enemies with objects or move incapacitated enemies to make it easy to not be detected. Like a sort of longer term stealth strategy in a lot of these places because that's like a common thing right where you knock somebody out but you don't hide them and then somebody sees and it's like, oh, there's someone here. We are now in a heightened state of alertness for a while and you have to deal with that situation where there's kind of like a longer play and it's just like the general the really the really exciting thing about stealth is just making it through like just managing to pull through and get something that you need. I mean, I don't mean to keep pushing back but like saying stuff like you know, probably not very good at combat. I just feel like well, unless they do it well, right? It's like probably has long range and short range options like well unless as long as they're done well, I'm fine with the only short range options as long as they're done well engaging like all the answers these questions. I don't really care if it ends up being called a stealth game or not. I just wanted to be good. So like because what you're describing sounds like just additional mechanics on top of additional mechanics, which you can pretty much do with anything. Like wouldn't got a wall Ragnarok be better if Atreus had another bow that fired slower. Well, the thing is that I could just that there are games that exist that are trying to be a lot of these things at once and end up being something really cool. Like this this like it's a broad as a broad description of like a stealth game. There are a lot of games that fit into that category and that's just like a preference of mine. I just like that more and maybe I like it more because we haven't had that for a while. But I feel like it's a very unique experience that's super valuable. That just hasn't yet. The just isn't very prevalent at the moment. And it's worth considering that when you talk about video games, the more robust and balanced and fun that you make a particular mechanic in the game. The more you're sort of encouraging people to engage with it. And if you're creative vision is to have a stealth experience, but you have a really amazing combat system in it. Then you're almost kind of shooting yourself in the foot in terms of the creative vision that you have for your own game and what you want people to engage with. There's an irony there. I feel about dishonored like that they've made so many options for combat that it's like man, like it's probably like the most fun way to play it, but it's not the way that I wanted to play it and it's kind of like runs contrary to what you told me that you wanted to like sort of create one and on the one point of the robust thing. I'm not even sure if it's I think we can see what's happening as a result of what the people want. So to speak because I don't think us three really represent the the common people. What what is I don't mean that in a denigrating way. I mean you look at Ragnarok, right? A lot of people Theo noticed it about my play through metal was doing it and that eggman said he was doing it. Just dumping all of your your runic moves once you unlock them in the late game and they mostly take care of a lot of enemies. If not the bosses like why do they exist and why do they do that when they could instead of spending all their time in these runic moves they could just make a much more complicated combat system cycle because it balances everything out it's the cinematic moves that the average person can just press one button to activate and feel powerful using and it's like when you watch six of those in a row with incredible particle effects and Kratos like yelling and all the enemies vaporizing as you use and you get all the biggest ones at the end just like gives off really satisfying experiences that people are really happy to buy while their players out there including myself who are like if I get to learn all of these special combo moves with all of my weaponry I might be able to like do really well with just the axe and not using any special magical abilities but it would have been nice maybe if they given me more I've said several times there's several options I think they missed out on but ultimately like I imagine they're probably aware of that and they were like yeah well we get better results if we just get more runic moves in we added a whole new weapon that's two extra runic moves and they're all specific to a spear and like look what it's doing it's working I guess is what I'm trying to say even though it's much simpler it's like you press one button and it activates and then there's all these things is it I guess what I'm trying to get as it's almost sounds like the opposite of what we just recommended in terms of what you should do and yet is that can be more or less popular I wonder stealth is actually a symptom of all of this it's like you have to make a pretty complicated and it right now at a triple A level go to appeal get results I mean that may well be what what a stealth game provides as as like a as like a a power fantasy is very different from like an action game yeah because it's I feel like stealth games and horror games have something in common in that like a lot of what they get out of the player is the disempowering of a character and but but because you're disempowered like the triumph is that much more satisfying like like if dooms power fantasy is being like the most powerful entity in that world like the power fantasy that a lot of stealth games would provide is essentially like being able to pull off something really are really difficult and doing so without being detected like if you add that as an element on top that there's something very satisfying about that espionage like element I think that I think that if you think about if like if I were making a stealth game and my objective was to make somebody feel empowered through being disempowered like to that like you feel really good about yourself because you maneuvered through this area totally undetected you got every single thing that you could find you learned a whole bunch about like this place and the people that were in it and you achieved your objectives like really without like encountering any problems the like to some level that feeling of satisfaction may be diminished a little bit if you knew that there was always the option to just blow through and kill everybody and then get through it's like well that would have been a lot faster and you would have gotten there and maybe that was way easier too it's like or I don't know it feels like that might run contrary to my objectives in terms of the game experience I'm trying to create it may well be that you create a combat experience is really fun it's just oh damn like that that wasn't what I wanted that wasn't my goal that wasn't my intention and it diminishes something that either I was going for or that I think that there was a player base that I wanted to appeal to would have wanted from that experience I don't think there's any like strict arguments to be made about what like a stealth game should be I feel like any orc claim is going to be like normally back at there is no a stealth game should be X it's the the game is X and that could be considered yeah depending on our genre but that's that's not what I'm saying is like it's it's all super normative when it's making appeals to like what a game ought to be if I get I guess the problem is that if somebody says I want to make a stealth game if they say that is my express goal then there would be odd statements that would follow that if you want to make a stealth game you ought to do this as opposed to I want to make a game and whatever it ends up being is what it is right like whether you're using cause genre is descriptive but some people will use genre in a prescriptive way like in terms of their objectives when creating something whether it ends up being that is a totally different question I suppose but then that enters into a whole bunch of problems where it's like I want to make a horror movie but I am going to have a couple of jokes in there and they're like will you make a horror comedy then it's like no not that many jokes like one or two like right yeah well I mean I guess these are inevitable problems if that's somebody's stated objective though isn't it like if that's a goal that they want to have is that they're going to run to difficulties if they state an objective well the thing is but I mean I've already made it simpler than it actually is if someone said yeah you can have five jokes but then more than that it becomes a horror comedy it's like no it doesn't it's not even an amount of jokes it isn't a horror comedy horror comedy is more so referencing like an entire genre that's not even it's not horror but has comedy in it it's like a whole different tone and vibe horror comedy it's like an absurdity to it it's like the difference between Alien and Shaun of the Dead wouldn't like is horror the horror comedy I would go as far as saying but there's is way more right like it goes way further like the Peter Jackson horror movies I think the whole brain dead I can't remember what you made but they're they're of a horror comedy I think I'd have to check them again because just an absurdity that doesn't quite exist in the same way as like a horror movie with a couple of fun jokes and so trying to understand that instead of just trying to make a coherent tone and a coherent set of characters it's just funny right because like a lot of us are inspired by bigger projects and it's like I want to make a fantasy like Lord of the Rings and then as you're making it you're like wouldn't it be really cool twist if like aliens facilitate all of this and someone else because we can't do that that's sci-fi then you know and someone else is like well no just whatever you think is working go with it and then we'll worry about the whatever genre it is point I think that one of the reasons why I find genre to be interesting back in games compared to films and TV shows is because I think genre in terms of a video game is like much more relevant than in a film or TV show how you engage with it more directly um I think I think it's just that that um like what is the first person shooter it's like it's a game where you shoot things from a first person perspective it's like got a very like it's there's definitely like blurriness right like it like in Deus Ex when you go into cover and it's that it's like what does that mean but ultimately like there is first person shooting in this game like that is different thing because tonal genre versus like anical genre the difference between when you go to an art gallery and you're looking at a blue painting instead of telling someone this is you'd have to put blue on this painting this is a painting that is it's a blue painting that you have to make you have to make it right um movies don't really have equivalent of FPS versus RTS versus third person or anything they yeah it's the sure but I mean I guess the reason why you bring that I would say that still is similar to those descriptions in some sense yeah the genre of a of a movie is you know how you you know it's what you see and it might you know it has something to do with your expectations sure oftentimes but it's is what you're watching as opposed to the genre of a video game which is really really it's a how you physically interact with a thing which is a lot more inescapable actually making me think about the the mechanic of first person third person like your viewpoint versus the horror comedy fantasy adventure but then also how those things are engaged in the form of stealth being one that like described because if I had said it's I guess stealth comes under like versus action versus adventure versus I know like when you try to figure out certain dichotomies that exist right can you have like a first person third person shooter it's like I guess you could have both but you can't have them at the same time and I guess it's kind of like yeah would be the same with like it you know it in a game where there was no stealth that's not even a possibility as soon as you see enemies you fight versus a game where what would it be called the game you mean it's the screen in two and you've got a first person and third person view at the same time hmm what is what does that mean what does that even what does that look like what I just oh it probably looks instead of a mini map you it's just the view like instead of a I mean I guess smaller described it pretty thankfully it's it like a split screen down the middle and one of the views is a first person view of what you're doing and the other side of the screen is a third person view of the same thing I would I guess that would be both of them at the same time then yeah I mean it probably happens more often than we think where a mini map might be replaced by a drone footage or something like that and we also just see the player in that footage well I guess right like any map is sort of a third person view in a way that's a bit more abstract but you know people are going to be mean to us about this tangent you know they're going to say like isn't it obvious you fucking one person is going to be so glad they got their money worth so yes what it was the I don't know we're far away from answering whatever this whatever the question was whoever you were whatever brought us here I can see these musings they're just random thoughts about categories and stuff yeah I don't even know how we started but we went a long way yeah that is okay this is like our seven or something of this ketchup as a guest I have no idea which one it actually you know I don't know we're here anyway anyway oh I guess yeah it came in the super chat I read was reject live action embrace animation alright because we're talking about how what that motion versus yeah animation versus yeah that does seem like it was an hour ago that would be funny to have someone trace the listing of of conversation how we we move from one to the next the next the next one point we were talking about MPC dialogue Oh God you're right I was in there somewhere you're right we got there or how we moved away from it to our end point but we um triple bonus this is another quote from things I don't like this game you know I don't like this game I'm doing this just so I can get four hours done so I can shut the stream down and go cry nice um damn I wonder what when he was talking about I wonder if wings liked Ragnarok did he play Ragnarok I think so I think he would associate really well with a depressed fat character with family issues oh but four dies of the end we all die at the end 50 cents for each anniversary congrats oh thanks rhino milk for all hello all love you all may the dawn's light shine upon you oh thank you Gary I know you know I'm shadow ban just ask Alex Jones how about from YouTube yeah ban from imagine God shadow ban you all that even look like for God to show I guess it would be it's like you're like the like in movies and stuff you're the ghost version where people just like you're dead but you don't know it in a sense where I guess people just don't react to be a little ghost and you can't but the okay so the problem is it needs to be that you're talking and you can't try really really hard to get people's attention because if you're shadow band a lot of the times you can interact with people it's just really difficult like the systems working against you so you would be like if you'd have to like almost go up and like touch people to get them to notice you you're so much you just seem so non-distinct as an entity that intense sensation like yelling at them in their face such shaking them bumping up against them there's a doctor who act thing it's it's in the David turn Martha season where they even vent the thing I think he calls it a perception filter or something but basically the idea is that you wear this like necklacey thing and if anyone looks toward your direction they get put off from seeing you they just don't really register you they just sort of they see nothing almost it's not invisibility but it's basically like putting it's off putting whatever is there I think there's a similar spell I forget what it was and some some sort of fantasy or whatever I don't know if it was I don't think it's Harry Potter but it might be like a dungeons and dragons or pathfinder sort of thing I kind of spell that doesn't make you invincible it just alters the perception of the people around you to where they just don't care or they just don't even think to really notice you you're just sort of always around you know no one just sort of cares I suppose yeah which is sort of like it's it's an invisibility adjacent sort of thing you're just so normal and mundane that you're just supposed to be there and no one cares about it which is an interesting you know alternative to you know just casting invisibility Wow is it really another anniversary stream already it doesn't even feel like it was that long ago when I started watching EFAP all the way back in 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the implication that they stayed for the like 10 hours at this point and hi maybe um I hear Joss Whedon doesn't like Punisher because he just solves his problems by unaliving people and that's boring is that really all he has to say on Punisher because I'll be lame other be more complicated than that right surely but well because it's not only let's pretend for a second that that actually is Punisher so like well then you can make that more interesting I think it's just the dead end but or of course the easy one put him up against a character with a different uh viewpoint like dead I will just put those two together make a deal with a creature that he can't kill yeah you know like what happens when he runs out of bullets what's he going to do yeah this you know what's funny I could see people being like you can't put Punisher in a position where you can't kill the enemy in the same way that you can't put put I think people would better understand our whole goal with creating dramatic situations if we brought up Punisher we'd be like the interesting things for Punisher then would be that he comes up against enemies that he someone who's related to him or someone who can't be killed or someone where he runs out of the ability to end their lives like these are all well I mean I don't know how about the hypothetical of like I don't know like if you kill me a bomb explodes like a hundred innocent people die you know like it's why it's my heart or something you just that's how it works you can't kill me but if you leave he's going to keep serial murdering people or something right so like what choice is this character I mean it's it's that's obviously a ridiculous example but like the nature the nature of a lot of what what what makes a character really interesting a lot of the time is this is who they are and this is what they believe we got to put him in a situation that directly challenges their perspective that's the same way that's like always run hypotheticals is what it's like I said it's what they did with Kratos like some people got upset by it right we read out the example but they were like Kratos was correct in the first game when he said close your heart and it's like close your heart to people who are trying to kill you and it's like okay but what if you come across someone just trying to kill you because they were forced to do it did you just close your heart to them exactly like and Kratos obviously decided no you shouldn't actually I was wrong yeah that like the perspective that I presented to you worked then ability that needs to be reconciled well the way I put it is it was insufficient it's it's applicable for a lot of like 95% of the time something now like it's not an all encompassing yeah there's just a little bit I need to add because there's times we're certain other things happen and yeah I think that's the way to do it and it creates really fucking powerful payoffs where it's like shit I didn't think about this I didn't see how this could happen in the same that when Batman's is like I will never kill it's like it's okay to see him kill someone in a scenario that's hyper specific and he accepts that like yeah there are times where it's going to be because the principle isn't about whether or not you kill it's it's about like trying to prevent damage like it usually comes under some other reason right like he doesn't want to create more of what happened to him as a child or something or he doesn't he doesn't want to become the enemies he's trying to stop like there's something underneath but you wouldn't say he's become the enemies trying to stop by killing someone to save thousands of others wouldn't be like Oh, that makes him a criminal now and I suppose that's for the story to deal with but why not why not do it? The funny thing is like I just hate the response that we can't put him in that scenario it's like Oh, give me a more interesting answer that's good to say can't put him in a scenario that challenges him that's like cause in the case of Batman like when people like you can't do that it's like so you you just don't want to have that story then you just don't want to deal with it and you know like another way people try to get out of it is like if he pulls the lever he didn't do anything it's still the Joker that did all by setting up the scenario and I'm not going to the crazy hypothetical where it absolutely is his responsibility only the one with the Joker is interesting because if it were five of my family members or I guess some kid or something and Batman chose to save my five and then said really it wasn't me it was Joker that said all that I'd be like No, I know but you still made the right decision and thank you for doing it you saved five you know I mean like I would never have seen that scenario and been like well Batman has nothing to do with any of that and I don't even need to see or talk to him about any of it if he was the one that pulled the lever and saved the five family members of course I consider him responsible at least to some extent but of course we had to come up with the hypothetical where it's exclusively his fault faulty technology yeah I saw a tweet and I was saying like everyone only hates Snyder's work because he he finally made Superman relatable and I wanted to kill myself Superman's always been relatable that's like that's it's not part of the point well I'm happy to concede Clark Kent like the human side of him is the related side the Superman the one who's hyper strong just saves everything's like not necessarily you know like get digging into that far we relate to the the human that was brought up by his parents to do good like of course that's the thing is as always like because because sometimes like in some stories it's presented that kind of a lot of stories will sort of agree that with Batman as the alter ego right Batman is who he actually is that's like a lot of the time that's kind of the agreement whereas I think with with Clark it's it it varies some stories will present it as like in some sense Clark Ken is like the personality he presents to the world to conceal that he's Superman but other times it's in fact a lot of the time it's like well Clark Ken is who he is like it is cool funny you say that right because of the kill Bill makes the speech about how which a lot of people take issue with because yeah it's kind of funny Batman I think it totally applies to that he at his core is Batman that Bruce is something he makes the get through the days and stuff even though we will refer to the human as Bruce but Superman's aspect is like Superman is this it it's but it's a source of expressing like really awesome meaning within these things but then if you use the wrong words one else's perception of how they've built it all up so don't be right is that's what I'm saying because yeah I remember people being like Bill was fucking wrong he's got it backwards he's not even talking about the right here it is like I mean probably understand what he's trying to get at though right yeah like the the notion but I mean yeah it's the idea that Superman wasn't relatable it's like that it's like right said that was like actually kind of the point is that he's actually incredibly relatable like a superpowers and like his his history and connection to cryptom and stuff all of that's crazy but like he grew up in a small town on a farm like with regular human parents it's kind of like the ideas he is he's a human being he's not an alien emphasizing his alien nature is is to miss the point which is kind of like it's the thing that's now made me like really dislike of the interpretation is that it's so much and a lot of stories do this I get what it is but it bugs the hell out of me when characters refer to Clark as Cal L like yeah that's not his name his name he wouldn't want to be called that no he wouldn't want to be called that his name is Clark people think this is like a source argument is like no no it's when you are brought up on earth since a baby yep and then it's the same for us if we were told we're from Krypton actually we wouldn't do what he does we would be like what exactly I don't even know what that means exactly but also like I lived on earth with human parents and human friends like the human beings here are the people that I have a connection to like Krypton is this place that doesn't really mean anything to me or not that it doesn't mean anything like of course he would probably want to know about it and no one happened to me like as personally maybe well it's just if the dichotomy is earth or Krypton it's it's earth he's gonna he's gonna go for earth Earth is my house he actually lived on had his chance right why did they do that? Why did they make Oh, there's they make why did they try to try to try to why did Zod make him drown in a pool of skulls what the fuck was that because so the bad guys fuck it so many bad shit decisions that movie isn't a cool to have superman because it's visual isn't a cool to see him falling into a river of skulls that's what happened yeah the imagery of him that's superman is that what edgy and lame super edgy yeah anyone else remember that old flash animation dick figures yes always hits different I do I remember that and it's funny that that's nostalgic but yeah that's over 10 years old I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure that one of the guys who worked on that is actually like the head of story or involved in some capacity on the Mario movie kind of interesting I mean as for dick figures as yes that's really funny to me it's incredibly juvenile and stupid but like that doesn't that's it's funny speaking of lived a happy live when are we going to get an eFap gaming of five alive live 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if things carry on like this I I'd say yeah well the thing is I'm well of this age and I've been talking extensively about movies since I was like super young I don't see why I wouldn't keep going at this point Hey Morris Raggleton and Frogald and happy 200 started watching you Massives in 2020 just before lockdown thanks for the 1.2 billion hours of entertainment did it all wow that's a lot yeah that is a lot I mean we kept everything going throughout that entire era of the of the not mostly done now everywhere unlocked it's been it never got really bad around here we never had lockdowns here so um I assume things are pretty much back to normal certainly are here they have been for a long time Hey guys I've been watching all backlogs of all eFAP content the last month currently on episode 54 thank you for everything and all guests and especially the hosts Hope Wolf is doing great someone did a slo-mo breakdown of the Book of Boba Boba final fight shot is just resetting between cuts oh yeah that shit was rushed they didn't know they didn't want to get they did not give a shit they had them most easily or whatever must must whatever fucking set that they have like three streets on and they just filmed them back and forth and back and forth Oh God that show was expensive though no excuse they don't make an like Kenobi felt like the same shit it felt more expensive still but I mean hey it only took a couple months for everybody to come around to it being terrible I wish that we were all in agreement when it came out but Fury wouldn't he even have been able to give orders because Fury was a spy Cap is a soldier he's the one with actual live combat experience assume we all right I think that's opening up the scene the scene where Captain America is giving the orders to the police officers Oh right because this suggestion would be that Fury could have done it or something I mean I guess he could have but like Captain America is the one with frontline combat experience so he's probably the guy who should be doing it which is the point that the chatter I think is making was the thing yeah Fury might actually have the authority to be able to do it but like storytelling wise but where everyone is at the time and what everybody characterized as it makes complete sense the cap would do it. Exactly besides what means by does Fury have to even contact them you know well maybe he done well chief or whoever that guy was on the the ground looking at an alien invasion being like what the fuck am I supposed to do like of course cap coming in and telling him personally what to do on what though good moment yeah yep somehow that's part of the references for how cap is like sucks and Joss we can clearly hated him that video was so weird yeah that was bizarre remember in true lies when Arnold tries to lie about the nuke imagine the the aliens bomb being asked about it in the same way I know it's a no cone make dude I need to rewatch true lies I remember loving it I don't hear been a while yes I should watch it too then how many zebras did gothrack save or thrack or fact Oh heaven plenty enough at least one so that he's sympathetic right definitely a decent amount of zebras Zebras as some would call them yeah Zebras say Zebras yeah Zebra so I'm pretty sure that's how they're pronounced in some parts of the world yeah but in the in the ones that are saying it correctly yes well for them yeah well this is yeah cuz because Wikipedia says that the us pronunciation is ze brezz or ze brezz well cuz it's an upside down which I presume means brezz brezz we say we say Zebra Zebra Zebra Zebra Zebra though it's important to note that we only say Zebra is when we're referring to more than one right so there's a Zebra and then Zebra is that how no it's we just say Zebra and Zebra's okay that's it's Zebra yeah that's the UK pronunciation and also ask it's Zebra enough to get a wikipedia oh wait no there's like a on wikipedia when you when they got a little thing that has all of the distinctions between I guess the the bigger the big boys of English which is the United States Canada the United Kingdom of Australia sorry New Zealand you don't get put on this graph well it's just got all the different colors for our oh different so like you know how color belts and center realize analyze because in America you guys use Z's often when we would use an S for something like that Gary gets annoyed by seeing extra you and Ella every once in a while really is reading X he's like no it says so to make fun of it whatever he sees it like that he goes color and I'm just like what do you say flower as well yeah yeah we do flower we go to the store and get some flower you have to all the end racism no right yeah because we're in middle earth yep flower I can't do it it's one of the things I just don't like I don't like little people we mean you don't like it you don't like I don't like people who are interested in cool sometimes no maybe I they're in a circle I mean maybe some some languages it just seems to be baked into our baked into it so like some people from certain nationalities when they speak in English it's just kind of an interesting difference I suppose I I I I don't like I find it fun I I kind of like it I don't like it in in Lord of the Rings but yeah in Lord of the Rings it comes across it's kind of neat well in rings of power it comes across as fucking pretentious oh yeah sorry the rings of powers just say guys damn but like I was I think I think it's super cringe when people who they try to adopt like elements of accents of other languages like when fucking Theoros is ours and secure oh he's only says sec yeah but like no well quit you weed trash I I don't so I I'm not sure I agree with that me that rags I think uh I I um I think that it's kind of neat that he's trying to say say accurately what's wrong with that yeah he's saying cringe you're getting mad at rags you're getting mad at you don't say mealy do you far as is it not pronounced when I don't know it came I say mealy pronouncing it like automatically how we know yeah it's mealy yeah so say you're oh and they're wrong doesn't come from the English language so we just we just yeah it's it's how it's specific it's specifically the r rolling yeah but isn't that isn't isn't that um that's how it's said like that's what it is it's sec it's that's how you say don't you do it no don't do it don't don't do it again don't seco no no don't seco ah ah no in death note well sorry so rags rags have you seen the death note uh like dub have you seen that no so uh one of the one of the pseudonyms for uh for light is uh is killer but it's uh spelt k i r a and all of the actors to us well so do you think it's bad when the actors in the dub are saying killer killer hard list of context even though the actual word is killer like that's what it is are you getting like I'm like whenever you as like like what argument you have what argument do you have for why you shouldn't say like that why do you think it's cringe do you think it's a that you say male instead of me Lee I can baked into the fabric of the universe yeah I can hit the equivalent of his argument for me is him just waving the American flag in your face that's what it would be hahahaha specifically our role there should be a lot like why do you have no argument I'm sorry the argument is that is cringe the argument is that it's cringe that people I rest my things way that they're dead like they try to say the words as they're actually meant do you get mad if somebody says Volkswagen does that piss you off or do you not care about that one I don't care about that one if you what there's no argument it's the same thing well there's no rolling R and volts volts Volkswagen just like V's but it's not okay to roll you are on an R you know that's exactly correct okay well all right you don't you won't maintain this argument though because there are plenty of words that are French to do how do you do you say do you get do you think it's cringe if somebody says ambience no because there's not a rolling R in there okay the only time I'll accept a rolled R is when people are going ah Steve ah oh so you are inconsistent then so yeah you're even no I'm very consistent that's my one X no that that's I'm very consistent in that that's my one exception we learned a lot today we have here we have that the one thing that you need to do to piss rags off is to roll your R's talk to about second oh and then see ah it's like oh I don't know how you can fault somebody for making the effort to try pronounce it correctly and we have Theo back I'm going to ask him all about that game to tell us about second oh shadows die twice please tell us everything you can that you know about second oh this man's ability to forget what he just wrote in this video is clearly his audition to be a writer for the MCU who are we covering that would be the captain America guy that Captain America is hated by Joss Weed is evident being Avengers where Captain America is pretty cool throughout Oh yeah I remember we were very impressed with that video is very cool very agreeing with it completely Glothnack finally out battle will be a legendary long have I hunted you for this hour of reckoning app I don't even know who you I now I'm pretty sure that tie long's quote just ends on our battle will be legendary I don't remember that second pot unless it's a different speech as far as I know yeah he does say our battle will be legendary and then it cuts very and then Tigris just attacks him how long is entertaining he's he looks like Ian McShane yes he is so cool he are yeah he he he he was he was working hard on that one he he put he put a lot into that performance obscure comic villain of the day arcade novels jigsaw with a carnival games for there has an amusement part called murder world it's showtime I know it's jigsaw Marvel has a jigsaw he's called jigsaw he's the he's the Punisher guy villain does he like kidnap people and put them into I don't know he you're you're yeah he's just he's just a nice wow the other guys also yeah he's he's uh I all I remember is because I it was in the show there's jigsaw and the reason why he becomes jigsaw is uh because Punisher drags his face down broken glass um and so his face gets all scarred up and I think that's why he's called jigsaw is because his face is scarred like it's kind of pieced together should have called himself glass face I like how if they kill people but with a gimmick you have a better view of them no and then it because just I I I guess it's like um what does it mean when you say somebody is just that as well I think what Molly's trying to say is that disabilities he said he's just an ass that means he doesn't have a gimmick wow well his gimmick is I guess that his face is kind of like pieced together that's my gimmick I'm horribly disfigured my gimmick is I'm ugly like okay well you know I appreciate his very positive approach that was the people who created the character that's not my fault did they say it was his gimmick or do you just like oh that's his gimmick yeah that's I don't know something you put on and maybe the writers were like no the jigsaw thing comes from other stuff not from his face big I guess I guess this is well I guess it is it it's probably not many people of the world who could say that my gimmick is I got my face dragged down a pain of broken glass and that's why I look like this though that was in the show I don't know what it is in the comic well either I know of arcade because of the lion go through mid a world but wait up but I don't remember that's the thing right because you get you get spammed all the villains in that game I don't right I'll talk to tell who's yeah I think one of the earlier ones you fight was thing fang fume and I remember being like what the fuck oh the fang fuck the guy the guy that the the very old character no he's like a dragon oh oh wait is which what is he is he like the I'm it's dragging yeah I wonder if he's like the dragon the iron fist fight they was because there was bait as to whether or not fang fang fume was going to show up in Shang Chi but I don't think he did like you know that giant dragon at the end I think some people speculate if that was the thing fang fume okay it's it's so music to me because in in like Luke cage he's talking to like iron fist like you fought a dragon come on that's ridiculous it's like you can't say that in the world that you live in like it's ridiculous that you fought a dragon they were aliens exactly your skin is bulletproof my man like this is a this is a crazy world all right Malben Hawken time all right it's more like Stephen Hawkins but Morbius Oh I remember the Hawken memes yeah like flying around and is like wheelchair I guess like Morbius I wonder if they're going to make another one fuck what would the there was there was some really funny memes it was to do with cap hanging on the end of it was this something like I remember I think I've got it right so it was edit the Joss Whedon clearly made cap an idiot because he was hanging on the edge of the Helicaria almost falling out remember and it was like oh yeah so you getting thrown off a Helicarium grabbing a rope to stay attached just means you're stupid that we were like what if Stephen I remember that yeah I now I remember memes some people had put put Stephen fucking holding on by like a rope to the guy that I like character it was some of the funniest shit I've ever seen just the mental image yeah and then of course followed up with the actual images of it good times I imagine him like going ah no pulled me back and it's little chair while he holds on to a rope with the other hand hello all all E walks oh hello that means speaking of speaking of memes that have some legs that that E walk one is that's thanks to quit staying power that's right that was from the rise of Skywalker when that came out whoa who didn't E Fappa since episode one love your content of these anniversaries are always my favorite speaking of what's your favorite media from the past year ooh favorite what might be rock from the past year though answering right now it really probably would be Ragnarok uh answering from what I came this year but that's from last year so I love our cane but I do like I value Ragnarok above it rocking the high high score but the thing is if we knock out Ragnarok and answer from when this question was asked it probably would be our cane actually be at least one of the top it's legitimately tough for me to say if it was a game oddly enough wow it it might be Battlefield five because really because 2042 comes out it's shit I'm like okay I'll try five I never tried and then I really really liked it and I still play it so and I just in a plate with friends and we have a great time playing that game and I have so much joy playing this game it might I might go to Battlefield five which might sound weird because I've I've like so many things like I've really liked Ragnarok I ever played it and then there's you know all the things that we've watched obviously would come to forever and throw 11 thunder super high on the list oh yeah under wonderful wonderful wonderful you say okay I might be Ragnarok I'm not sure I meant disqualifying Ragnarok though that was disqualifying Ragnarok and arcane because it was disqualifying Ragnarok could be arcane yeah right that's definitely up there yeah glad you enjoy the anniversaries and get them as high energy as possible throughout all those hours but man when that 24th one takes over it's like my bed yeah sending another super chat cuz my we smash meme got noticed live by my favorite youtubers you guys made my day happy 200 Oh thank you very much and thank you for the wonderful meme this one just says what dooms he said but cheaper all right hmm it sounds like he wants cap to be a Mary Sue more than a compelling character he clearly wanted being awesome and tough and unbeatable and stuff when I found cap to be really interesting as the the guy who's sitting with a God and a technological marble being like I'm just a guy but I'm fast and strong and I'm courageous and spot he was kind of like the Batman for that movie especially the ring Thor and stuff but then you know you still have Black Widow and Hawkeye at the end this man said Captain America isn't smart but then also used a scene that shows Iron Man the smartest man in the world deferred to Captain America for strategy and cap comes up with a plan in seconds it's really hard to twist that in a way that means cap is stupid the best argument you had was that Iron Man had to give him permission though that's ridiculous it's not it's not what that is that's that's that's cap saying you do it cap I can't like or rather you're better than at it than me I think it's really good to throw it in because those two of the obvious voices or leaders and don't need saying you do it good stuff Andy Captain America Oh that'd be that'll be the the hero name for Hawking is is a cap I think nope uh Andy Captain Hawken the Iron Chair Monger great name his worst enemy would be worst enemy would be the chair guy from Falcon with the soldier fuck do you remember that I do price that's right what the hell were they thinking no idea cheer devil the silent Avenger you rides in on cheer force one he puts all the criminals down that it brackets syndrome walks them away in the chromosome the chromosome Oh that's actually really fun chromosome subjectively age of Ultron is my favorite Avengers movie objectively it could have been better put it nice I think that's part of why I hate that movie a little bit is how is what was stolen from us it was of what how how fucking good that could have been Ultron could have been so yeah it could have been so cool buddy it's not is not Dr. Hawken and the multi stories all right Captain Hawking but spell as whore possibility here devil versus Stairmaster I think Chair Devil is better here devil over Stairmaster Chair Devil is chair devil is really is perfect chair devil is I think I agree during the E-Fap was just not his name is now he's chair devil I think we were dying at that point that was hilarious but who are funny Marvel fanboys Zack Snyder fanboys or Sony fanboys funny for the Zach was right yeah probably that pretty funny the thing about the Marvel ones is that they typically just they just standard fan people they're like this stuff is awesome you just trying to hate on it to hate but like the Snyder ones you often find them go in like he created some of the most incredible art that we've ever had been I think it's the it's just really funny with the Snyder ones they've been talking about the blip like it was a minor inconvenience whenever it does get brought up yeah yeah you're lucky to get that to be honest Captain Hawkin the Phantom Limbus Limbit the Phantom Limbus what's it's how's it spelled Lim and then apostrophe you like the elvin bread apps all right it's steer was time I got a tap out for it y'all have a good night slash day our our counterperson I think even went to sleep no we're just want to say thanks for the four years of content you've helped me get through some dark times here's to another four years also high rank hello thank very much we will still be around in that amount of time things for fuck's sake er let someone I'll speak for a minute yeah he just talks and talks and talks other people desperate to get a word in but brute accent on the e is the vocative vocative the addressing form of the name Brutus fringe would indeed work as the vocative of Fringy Al Ray Oh I think it was at to Fring yeah to fringe it just becomes fringe at to Fring gay maybe I think it was that was yeah at to Fring gay I don't know if that's how it actually works but I don't know I all gutted that I can't catch this live since I'm on vacation with my family but I wanted to say thank you all for everything you've done I found you all through rags about three years ago when I was very depressed out of a job and going through job hunting comparing M.O.M. wait a minute oh sorry you guys were the only thing that kept me smiling during those times and I'll always be grateful for that since then I found a job that I love and I'm now the assistant director of my department stay long and of course high rags oh hello that's wonderful news yeah glass here man absolutely and you're you're out of that we're sustain into a better one comparing multi-vis of I agree with actually yeah I agree yeah I know if yeah like McDonald's like they have some things that are fine I mean like the coke there is good you know and the sprite you know that that's that's good they know they follow the code your intelligence when you walk in I mean you're in there you've done that to yourself so yeah you know they have bathrooms where you can you know they they start as far as I know the toilets and yeah I agree I would never I would never tarnish the good name of McDonald's by comparing it to multiverse of madness I ended up watching that video you said did yeah that's crazy isn't it basically the it was like a promotion of kind of like lottery style thing with McDonald's where you could spend money and guy who had access to like a higher level of it security wise just but like years for you to watch it's 26 minutes but really quite interesting always change the thumbnail but yeah the I'm yeah that's an interesting video you're a TV if anybody is interested in it themselves just search your TV the McDonald's monopoly scan and it's the first thing that pops up on YouTube when you type in McDonald's monopoly it's interesting video OT fans need to get off their high horse Star Wars is only so loved because it came out when we were kids and story are really unimaginative why is Star Wars as successful as it was because it came out when we were kids probably because it came out at the perfect time while also being credible escapist peace media and then also being pretty damn good right like having new hope an empire double whammy of also being way ahead of its budget so to speak as in like something they achieved at the time was both like from a spectacle standpoint yeah yeah like 1977 and also like 20 people who watched it liked it were adults so yep just to like is my dad has talked about going to see Star Wars 1977 and he just like it's difficult for him to explain how much it blew everyone away he's like no one had seen anything like this before it was like revolutionary it was it was amazing to go and see that the theater people would see it just over and over just just to be able to see that sort of thing well there's a reason why adjusted for inflation I think it's the second highest grossing film of all time after tight 10 after gone it's not gone with the wind gone with the highest growth the adjusted for yeah that's an old one I need to see gone with the wind I've not seen actually either yeah that's one of those ones Wizard of Oz Wizard of Oz sorry I don't know when Casablanca right yeah yeah I'm saying like there's there's like the four oh yeah it's citizen cane Wizard of Oz Casablanca and gone with the wind they're like those four oldy golden classics sort of rather like kind of the same way that you're like certain books that you're supposed to have read like at some point in your life yeah like the dictionary front to back yeah full thing and also I was turned out so the the list of highest grossing when adjusted for inflation is gone with the windows number one and then avatars number two and then Titanic and then Star Wars I guess and then endgame number five but Star Wars ahead of it and then the sound of music then E.T. then the 10 Commandments sound of music doctor Dr. Svago I haven't heard of that actually Svago yeah Dr. Svago yeah and then and then Awakens Force Awakens number 10 we need to get into the habit of like maybe if once a week we could kind of out a yeah classic a classic movie I plan on doing it's just making sure that like once a week there's like a a classic movie that I haven't seen that I just make sure that I'm I'm watching to build up those references the last one you did the last one that I've watched that was like an older movie yeah damn I'm I'm just trying to recall what it would have been I know I watched Citizen Kane a little while ago did you watch it with us or did we and then I just watched it I just okay checked that and I was impressed by it a lot it was yeah I really enjoyed watching it yeah my answer to that question is a is Casablanca a movie that if you haven't seen that you need to cause I really liked Casablanca quite a bit I want to see it yeah that's in fact if if we do this weekly like classic movie ketchup I would I would like to probably start with that even though I've seen it I'd be up for that hey man as we clear our schedules of all the other things I've got to do hooray well okay yeah cause there's I gotta gotta go watch Avatar 2 at some stage gotta watch Avatar at some point I watch Avatar 2 yeah I have to watch Avatar 2 also uh nonsensical movies shouldn't be pre pre nonsensical movies shouldn't be predicated in a universe that makes sense scary movies work because the universe is always nonsensical okay you're losing me straight away okay yeah so okay so let's let's let's nip the obvious one of the bud there's I'm pretty sure that in real life you can have scary things happening it's not a my assumption is they like a weird word have a scary thing is ghosts or monsters and it's like okay but that doesn't make a a will nonsensical like having supernatural no yeah um I don't even I'm not even sure not that you even need that for horror movies of course when you say nonsensical movies shouldn't be in a universe that makes sense I'm not even sure that me do that mean like that you can't have an absurd a story set in a universe that's otherwise like trying ver very hard to be grounded thing is you can always contextualize I think of course yeah not ridiculous yeah what if it's them watching a TV show and then like pans out it's like yeah that TV show is crazy huh otherwise like the regular world if you're just highlighting like you know a a beach and rules like oh that's just standard good old incongruent you know same reason then we want congruence and everything he said they follow on with saying screw people who like trash they don't deserve respect I'm not 100% sure what's happening right I don't agree with that I I love there's some I love Batman and Robin and I love the Resident Evil movies they're just the room they're wonderful bad B movies I've just they have a special place in my heart hilarious yeah but the thing about them is like if someone said like so you'd encourage them to be made it's like well you can't they don't get made it gets worse when they're made intentionally right like if you see this with the the the follow-up stuff Tommy why so did and the demics follow-ups like when the director is aware it's not as funny yeah part of the joy comes from yeah being earnest and sincere have you have you guys seen the behind the scenes for bird David to have you seen those I think I have I can't remember was it why am I so was it why am I so was it um I'm not sure what it was so the thing that was really funny about it was because the director I can't remember his name but there was they were they were was that his name yeah yeah he did are he did afterwards but he also did it the lesser-known replica was so that what happened was he was on set arguing with like I don't know like first assistant director somebody on set and I like there's this part when they're sort of getting into an argument and then like he like screams at the guy's face like I'm the creator of the franchise don't embarrass me like again it's so it's it's really funny because it's like the creator of the bird demic franchise dude calm down I get well because it did make a decent hunk of money considering his budget I guess it must have right well I mean I I think it costs him like $10,000 like he saved up some money to film it and then I don't know what what would be the box office gross a bit like birdemic to I suppose it wouldn't necessarily have a good box office but like people buying it online or supporting it through whatever thing like I don't know because they obviously they made a second one so I guess like I'm trying to think of how it would have gained success because YMS is one of the main reasons it got exposure as well right I guess probably yeah your celebratory animal of the day is the Halitrophus Marci Marci a litrophus Marci happy 200 lads and here's to 200 more stay massive and don't bless you all you have a Halitrophs Marci it's a it's a jellyfish yeah interesting that want as many jellyfish are what is it want it probably just wants to just float around and I don't even know what a jellyfish eat do they just strain the ocean for like nutrients no idea a jellyfish immortal I I think so there's something about that where some jellyfish because of the way that they're selves self-repair and stuff they that they're like legitimately immortal that the decay in cells is not necessarily you know necessary what do jellyfish eat autofills don't eat fish eat many different types of things such as small plants phytoplankton cope copepods crustacean zoo plankton fish eggs and other small fish called larvae they also eat the plank tonic eggs and young stages of many kinds of marine animals maybe they just absorb it like goo maybe eat um years to 200 more stay massive and don bless you all more I'm surprised didn't mention is the MCU is infinite which means dream walkings always happening and incursions should have killed everyone um it's it's so fucking annoying all of it is because like I gave the benefit of the doubt but the problem is it just creates more problems you know the whole like the second the scarlet which is chasing America and they say America is one of a kind like why am I not seeing thousands upon thousands of scarlet which is chasing her exactly because presumably if there's like an infinite universe of infinite possibilities there are many many many of these things happening all at once yeah like I think many is possible if if anything's possible it happens an infinite amount of times yeah so there should be an infinite amount of yes scarlet which is chasing an infinite across an infinite amount of multiverses and then of course remember if you see at once it's going to be something that happens an infinite amount of times it was part of the argument I was trying to make about the dark hold right whereas like she destroyed in every universe like okay but she didn't destroy what it was drawn from in every universe which was the temple except for the one that she was in but then if every universe retranscribes it and then dream walks into our world then transcribe it from their worlds dark holds basically we just undo everything that she just did I don't even know how you can do that how does she have the power to destroy it in every universe that's just something they made up I don't even know what the hell magic bitch we ain't got to like explain shit fucking what's the funny thing right basically the idea yeah like we don't have to explain it everything she does that movie is bullshit but that's one of those ones where I would be like you made that uh hahahaha you fucking made that up like every that the idea that like dreams are looking into other universes why did they why why why would you make that the way that it works because it's cool why are you being it's not cool it's it's what does that even mean it means that like you have a psychic connection between dimensions and universes with your alternate selves how like what what does that even mean you know what to be like like like what does that look like cool wow what what how do you explain dreams where it's totally surreal and ridiculous is that like actually happening even if it's impossible of ridiculousness all right okay yeah did do people often have dream as a being paint is that like common they a dream where you said right your paint dreams I you know how it started it was just like what if dreaming was just old universe how cool is that they're like let's do it let's do it let's do it that'd be great but my best buddy had his wedding so I missed a lot of 200 but he is very happy and soon I will keep up this off to 200 more best community Oh it's great good for him the old ball and chain hopefully it's still going strong hopefully just as eat my money yes we could by exchanging of the post of good and services yeah rags broke back mountain is cheer devils layer Oh broke back of mountain it's your devil slayer he lives a he's a very self-loathing superhero I can't forget what made me this way hey yeah that's the kind of thing right that's the thing with Batman and Bass right Kung Fu Panda one and two are amazing three not so much who panda off we should imagine if Jay was here right now with all you talking about movies you like I haven't seen most of the yeah there was that mean right once upon a time we will ask Jay like a huge list and most the answers would a lack of standing ultra a Batwoman parody of Hey Mickey Hey Jacob Hey Oh fuck how does me Hey song right I don't make you so fine you so fine you blow my mind is alright that one I know let's just when you blow my mind Hey Jacob a Jacob a Jacob I thought they were going to involve the Desert Eagle somehow with a blow my mind I rags it yet hello hello current panel have you seen primer 2004 is a very unique time travel film better than looper for sure heads up don't watch half asleep also hello to the guests very much a complicated and very serious take on trying to make a story work around Alex and never seen that movie I have but not for I think since 2004 we do you guys stand on Blade Runner a very pro Blade Runner we're very yeah very pro Blade Runner yes I don't know if there's anything else you were looking for us to say like it's very good I like a lot I respect it I guess that maybe the hot takers I really hate Blade Runner 20 2049 I think see I watched it and I liked it but I haven't watched it since and all I've heard is from people who I trust is that it's actually pretty bad yeah I just don't know what to think about that I don't remember honestly yeah I'm not as passionate about Blade Runner as I am about some of my other favorites and I just I had it that I've said this before I had Blade Runner 2049 broken down to be by someone who was Blade Runner and I was like fully shit that for sentiment you might find online you I found people who say 49 is better than the originals exist I think that yeah that is sentiment that that I remember hearing that when it came out like people saying that and yeah that is one of those things was like careful careful this right thinking of overrated movies overrated movies very dark night hate it what dark night you think that the dark night is overrated am that person huh really what they said why why would anybody think that the dark night is overrated I guess cause it's really really really loved they don't think yeah but I mean that's a good reason right like what what movies deserve it versus is there any amount of love that can be given I mean after all it's like Wonder Woman said it's not about deserve it's about what you believe and she believes in love to which Eric said that I will destroy which was deserved ain't got nothing to do by the way by the way I will say it's it's not about deserve it's an incredibly clunky sentence like it's not about deserve isn't that weird I'm pretty sure what she said yeah it's the shitty version of unforgiven what what Wonder Woman I say what he mean the deserved ain't got nothing to do with oh oh yeah sure yeah that's actually accurate to the speech though as opposed yeah you could argue a lot of the way they speak in like the Western type stuff is clunky but like it's accurate meanwhile yeah it's vulgar yeah it's it's it's got it's got a vulgar flow to it I wouldn't call it clunky it's it's got that it's got this normal people talk you know right how the hell you guys still awake I watched your show last night and it was lost at six hours I went to sleep woke up and you guys are still streaming for another six hours holy moly congrats on five years high rags hello and you're welcome thanks for making it possible it's tough we you know we have to do the full 24 apparently a rule has been stopped we should have we should have made the rule just 15 15 hours specifically very meaningful choice trust me for years you guys been doing this for almost half a decade yeah I know right it's crazy these eras hey guys glad to see you're doing well and still streaming by the way have you guys checked out are if not I highly recommend checking it out it was a fantastic experience not yeah I haven't are are I mean many people recommend that including metal the definitely an e-fap movies move oh okay I'm drinking at the pub watching e-fap 200 found you guys through the drinker about two years ago thank you more Fringy and hi rag hello L.J. and M.O.M. entertained a lot of people now what right someone talking about how entertaining a movie is is something to do with how good it is or how you know some mark of quality that it's popular very entertaining for a lot of people you know how we see the discussions every once in a while come from it I think it's still valuable information in terms of yeah sure to think about who you you but I mean yeah something that's really well written we don't tend to wonder why it's successful if it is but when someone's successful and it's absolutely dog shit it's like hmm why then kind of a question yeah what is it doing that's appealing to people end games like oh well we all pretty much know the answer that is not one yeah that's pretty obvious avatars I guess like that one's a little bit more perplexing is it for the level of success yeah I'd say so it's kind of weird that film that was so successful has such a small cultural footprint you know I mean nobody really talks about avatar or like specific scenes in it is think that it all has to do with just the spectacle there's nothing to it that you know that that's any deeper than that no one can tell you the characters are really much of the plot or anything it's just wow wasn't that scene really cool wasn't that amazing I don't know that anybody just off-hand references you remember that scene in avatar I it's not happen everyone saw that one time years ago I guess pretty movie anyway um the room has a lot of attention but it's not an objectively good movie fun absolutely but not good in spite of its attention I'm sure what have prompted this discussion room is obviously one of the biggest examples of that has success that nobody's saying is well made yeah all the people say it's entertaining that isn't good like the fact that's something that you can square away it's like yeah I enjoyed it but like you know yeah and even to the point where you don't want it you you appreciate its its existence the way that it is wouldn't want it to change value that experience though I suppose there's a great interest in like what if in an alternate universe the room was one of the best dramas ever made and which of those two movies should exist or would you prefer to exist hmm a lot of people would find that question I think it would be difficult yeah I guess you could just bring up hypotheticals of like maybe lord the rings is too good to make that question but like if you could only have one it's the room or them well acclaimed like good movie right like um like the the answer surely is obvious that it's the good movie it's like well and ain't that interesting really good movies that I'm just the good one I yeah well that's the thing right it's the room is very unique in what we wanted to stay the card episode six was pretty decent Picard I've only heard it's horrible I've only heard what's horrible I don't even know if that's supposed season one or two with one woke up and tuned into enjoying EFAP tradition rags giving tech support to somebody who's echoing happy 200 guys also high rags hello yeah it is often rags in history of someone with the person trying to solve the tech problems whenever they come in and nothing's working I'm just I'm not a I'm not a computer man so that's not good if you're getting advice from me rags is this a character moment Adam has a Biden moment I remember Adam and Sitch popping on at that big all right in discussion yeah everyone everyone including ER is against us it has to be conflict first people don't know that they're wrong I mean it's funny because whatever they I think out of such think the same of us but like what we describe like the core fundamentals that they think like we're we're accidentally describing conflict but I've always felt like it's kind of like chicken in the egg to a lot of people is like which one is coming first the design of the conflict like having conflict there and then you figure out the consistency or is it the you don't have anything well I feel like it is the foundation what does it mean to have a great conflict that is inconsistent or incoherent well they would say what does it mean to be consistent without conflict um I don't know the the sausage roll story I saw I still feel like you have something you know you just we need to figure out what people mean by conflict that's the answer to that question yeah probably that we need to sort of agree on our definition of conflict you know like Kratos would use just like that that pouch if someone said like well the conflict there is and explains it all and I should be like yeah but if you wanted to get really broad and just be like well nothing's happening there that's conflicting so you just you know if that's the problem with conflicts like is it just everything is it everything all the time in which case we are a bit unfair because continuity is like just stuff making sense that's all and that's what you use the difference between conflict and not conflict you'd have to have that yeah but fundamentally there is no simpler definition of a story then an account of a sequence of events like there's a sequence it's like fundamental and there is no sequence without continuity of some sort like that's inextricable yeah and if someone said like you can't have an event without conflict or something that it would get really annoying to figure out the definition yeah because at that point what do we mean by conflict yeah as opposed to what we mean by continuity which is kind of like everybody knows exactly it's this was just amusing is like you know it's like how could you have interest without conflict I don't know man lots of stuff interest is yeah it's it's complicated as opposed to like continuity by comparison Adam's voice giving off strong southern poverty call center vibes I guess because his shit was breaking at that point I don't know what happy 200 everyone I can't watch as it's my gs birthday today best oh and my best friend tomorrow wow well I guess we know who your real friends are what's a yeah apparently cheese but yeah happy birthday to all why didn't Kyle Ben force freeze Ray in battle he's on my the president think about it we remember right like he force freezes and knocks her out in the middle of the movie and then he force freezes and throws her into a tree at the end and then that just doesn't work anymore as a possibility other the reason battle when you need a good guy to survive instead of going for a killshot or something you throw him the bad guy throws the good guy part of what we talked about before you need there to be and it's like the hyperspace cabin cars you kind of force users using that shit on each other because it just makes us all wonder why they're not always using it on each other yeah pretty much and then you just randomly have him not use it and it's like now now yeah made me think about it even more it's the reason why push force pool you know force choke and lightning like when it when it was real simple but then it's like are you freeze you know shots in midair it's like okay when I could just pull knowledge out of your mind all knowledge out of people and even like I said it goes back to even do coo like force choking and lifting Obi-Wan it's just like can you that's someone you could do that just that feels not quite right that feels like you could that I mean how do they ever have a chance against you he doesn't do it Anakin okay I guess Anakin's too powerful or whatever I don't know yeah the more it's it's kind of the nature of like riding the more stuff that you throw on top the more variable you have to account for and it's just tricky you would imagine it like you're juggling and each new variable is a new ball that you have to try and balance like well you're juggling and like you can do it and if you juggle all of those balls it's really really impressive but pretty embarrassing to in a sense yep Mr. mubilee will RLM stop drinking the Tism juice oh yeah because we covered their uh their opinions on Obi-Wan Kenobi that was those beards and strange but hey that's really bad somehow they really liked it at least I was going to say at least jade is like no I'm pretty sure both of them did right as an all there are three of them oh there was oh yeah all three of them like okay well like j and uh rich and I don't think they've covered and or I'd have to check but I would hope that they would have some positive things to say presumably I mean you know that's why I'm hearing from the people who have seen it as a solid most of the disdain I see towards and or now is from people who didn't get past like episode three and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff Yoda who the hell are you talking about points be made but all right this one just says frankly I'd watch it all right fair enough but did you get to look at women so the one of the top comments on the synthetic man you F was like we went from you get to look at women to at least you get to kill women nice we've evolved Arley made the careers off the back of the prequels being the worst I was media ever made thus they rebelled the idea of anything it because wonder technically the foundation for us was the sequels and someone said well you're never gonna be willing to concede the uh TL jail Bob of uh sorry TL jail rise Skywalker is uh better than anything else Disney make and I'd be like I don't know Boba Fett and Kenobi really do you know they create quite a challenge to that title they are special in their badness yeah not to say but uh they they very much do uh red letter hurting you again boys also high rags hello I don't know why I can't just be that we covered them and disagreed as well a lot of people want it to be more serious to that it's just like no I mean I still watch them yeah absolutely they just made really bad videos on kenobi can't watch live and I hate to miss the party of the year I love you all high rags straddle my face oh absolutely anytime you know it it's why we're all here has anyone seen the oral noughts cut wars no I have not no someone on discord said it what does that mean for re palpatine what does what mean also unless you're asking a general question of like what does mean for re going forward that she's a palpatine so I mean I imagine when they take a character further whoever writers first with having to do that they'll probably try and do something with the fact that she's a palpatine yeah who knows what that'll be because I don't know anything about like who re is is a person or what she thinks she's a good person she could be different where you she got three movies as well but she's I just kind of yeah protagonist yeah well I don't know anything about her he's a good person though I know that much that's good you want that's good except when she blew up chewy by accident but then didn't oh that was yeah I guess that was an accident you know how that happens it happens happy 200 laddies and lasses stay long and good luck for the last stretch may the dawn be in thy heart and the rhino milk be in thy hand thank you I don't know where we're at in terms of the actual coverage I mean it'll be given in the form of clues progress of the mubler what software do you use to write your scripts and how do you organize and keep track of everything you do it's honestly really impressive it's as lame and annoying as you could imagine so you're an example for the DS to stuff right I would it all would Microsoft would and then I'd have like main script no sorry it would start sometimes but it does work that's why I use it we got like well I guess I'll say it with a movie right you go through the movie and I just note making loads of notes they're all just done on the fly and I'll categorize the notes into sections and chronological and then watch the movie again but start writing the script and keep an eye on the notes so it's like two of me working at the same time to think about it then if there's gonna be a third document like third party or meta and then I might have a secondary like when I'm redrafting the script depending on how how crazy I want to make the redraft for example I've said this for but if I had a script that was written years ago I will likely do a harsh full redraft like where I'm rewriting it while reading it from a different document is me from two years ago and me right now we have different ideas about how to write scripts yeah how it goes and that's like that's like the simplest when it's like a game it gets way more complicated or like the tfa project was insanely huge because I have to manage loads of different resources so it's basically it's another word doc for every time a new section of kind of thinking has to come about and then when I'm writing because I got three monitors it would be like six word docs that are just lasted across all the screen so I can see everything at once and keep everything in track and then I'll properly label everything clip I'll you know have a reference to where it's stored in terms of my computer what time what name and what vibe I'm going for but I can see all that when I'm editing then and be like okay I understand and it's been extremely useful in terms of streamlining the process the synthetic man cuts that edit when I was making it ready for if I was telling these guys as I was doing it like I was like full power and dropped it for even a couple of days the entire project would fall apart so forget where I put everything I did it all basically from memory not noting everything gets the job done faster but it's at risk of like detonating if if I lose interest in it for even a day I won't remember where everything is but yeah it's long it's laborious but it ends up having pretty solid results go to stay motivated obviously mine tends to be like as as simplistic as you could imagine just making notes of where everything is to be fair we don't have any clue what led Luke to the bad bedside he could have seen Kylo killing squirrels and stuff probably did kill squirrels and stuff you probably did that's how it starts out with little animals Oh no dooms back again now I can't stop thinking about Jinx and Silco slide in the skin bus into tuna town Oh no make it stab never heard that ever heard it described that now that's okay he he was just he he misread that scene it's okay all right yeah it happens it happens so um I got off working bartending in L.A. I saw more as post anyway I guess I'm a chill out here more I don't know how you do it but you're the only person I can watch a six hour YouTube video well I try to make it so that it's not mine numminally boring but apparently I even fail with that with some because then it can be a sleep aid doubles up illness it's always there also drink it you're my boy blue Star Wars girls stay fly girl shadow Verste I hope everything as well with you hope your staff as well too I don't know the rest my apologies but thanks all right well they will appreciate that absolutely I'm sure they do I am now convinced that they have never watched Star Wars at all not even the O.T. Okay it's they had some thank you opinion nobody just just some one or two they've seen one or they've seen Star Wars they have seen the war of the stars the Star War boring wood toned characters like Luke are unbearable to watch damn what geez I mean I'm sorry that you think that he's unbearable to watch wood toned doesn't mean like how like a like a a brown is a just a dull sort of like I imagine they're trying to aim toward him being wooden as a character but I still don't really wood toned hmm oh yeah I well I'll take that I'll take wood toned Luke from the O.T. over yeah like consistently contradictory constantly Luke that sucks anyways I was watching this with data and Spark from season 5 TNG I loved it hi doggo hello hi rags hello happy 200th episode you supremely talented people oh thanks thanks thanks for the years of entertainment and also being cool people have some sandwich money thank you very much I do like me some sandwiches I'm all of short would probably be at least 10 minutes yes whatever the max I'm not I'm not certain though but I think I might be it bring he's taking a stand for all green oids camera what that would have been in relation to seems like a worthy endeavor Christian Bale has been cast as edgy the Hedgy law wait is I'm assuming that's a meme right like shadow I figure that's a meme I'm pretty sure that that we don't know who's shadow the hedge hog yet I would love it if they did I'd made of do is bat bad voice I am the dog obviously I mean it's going to be a meme no matter what yes mom is about Wanda's journey to become a milf well you make sense right because she has sex with a robot and then she has kids somehow though that never really got thought about we just assumed there must be a human vision or something I don't know wow he just wasn't relevant to that story at all like he served the purpose that he had in Wanda vision and now he's out for some time I suppose well he's getting vision quest right well yeah I guess but I mean who knows right like if like what's happening with Marvel anymore if they're actually gonna like go ahead with like 10 projects a year or if they're gonna slow down Hey Joe have you ever had your best friend make a weapon specifically designed to take you down well this is immediately think of angry Joe but I was thinking of angry Joe as well who else yeah those idiots who say I don't care don't even know what I don't care even mean seriously if you ask what they mean they struggle to answer most people know what it means right it's just they often use it wrong what I don't know no I don't care I oh yeah of course right because of you say I don't care it's like hmm hello roast angry Joe's rant and him your channel about him being attacked for their she help review please oh we did bring up a clip of him reviewing she hope yeah I remember oh that must be it yeah well I mean he changed his mind on that one oh yeah eat sleep if app repeat yep away so three body problem interesting and engaging within his own narrative but I feel like it's fairly empty beyond its premise ie purpose propose some alien circumstances which life emerges and thrives I don't know what is the three body problem I've heard about for it is the that it is a okay so the three body problem in astronomy it's the problem of determining the motion of three celestial bodies moving under no influence other than that of their mutual gravitation no general solution of this problem or the more general problem involving more than three bodies as possible as the motion of the bodies quickly becomes chaotic so I don't it's something about astronomy and gravity I just I'm not familiar with it I just don't know I'm not familiar with it time for the galley finale all right finale you trauma when it's coming back again it is coming back a few trauma awkward look like well just watching the whole show guess and then saying is funny talk about how great it is yeah I'm going back to watch all of EFAP for a third time I need help on 61 at the moment oh sorry they mean I need help I'm on 61 there's no help me that's company right there hope you're enjoying three times not even bored that's that's the sign of approval what Drupal bonus this would be a wings quote I'm guessing I got a headache I'm hot my sugar is low someone got a drink diet fucking Pepsi and I don't want to play call a one drank all this Pepsi who's forced to drink diet perhaps that's horrible horrible no I'm not gonna play call a genie though sorry I hope he made it oh what a what a what a difficult life oh wait doomers here for part three as well great now I got to keep thinking about how he thought silk oh spear Jinx's beer did clam Thanks you did clam the interesting ways to describe these events but that I guess means we're on part three of the we're we already I don't even remember but I cannot remember now happy 200th thank you very much Fringy since you're the moral backbone what are your thoughts on Rwanda's race relations I don't know anything about the situation in Rwanda I just I just couldn't tell you I just don't know well they ask Fringy so yes we're doing the next super I never missed the big streams live before but here's since episode one but sigh work to be done Congrats lads well thanks Oh I'm I guess they're saying they never usually missed the big streams but they had to do work and that that's a okay that'd be that's fair totally waiting for you you want to hold on again after this yeah we're nice like that we allow people to go to work mm-hmm other others might not but you know we understand what it's like we understand the grind oh yes the sigma male grind set yes just woke up in time for the ending happy 200 pot three getting there any upcoming games y'all are looking forward to have a good sleep when you get there yeah let's not stay this video that's funny in the yeah we were looking forward to Ragnarok Callisto protocol and scorn those are three big ones yeah and one out of the three well that would be interesting right to go back to us at that time and say one of them will be bad enough that you make an eFap ripping it apart one of them will be so bad you have zero coverage because none of you ended up playing it it was so broken on launch and one of them is considered by you guys to be one of the best stories told in in a video game yeah we were told that I'd be like oh shit which do we even want to be you know which which hmm I you see for me if I was told that I'd be like all right Ragnarok won't be broken on release that's not going to be Ragnarok is that would be legitimately weird if it was and then as for best story ever in gaming it's like that could be scorn could be that they do something crazy and interesting with it be yeah beams down it would be Callisto protocol but I mean maybe maybe yeah I I'd put them all in the running for that potentially based off of what we knew at the time yeah I'd have been worrying though to know that we're going to lose two out of three hard to believe that one I guess had a story one didn't have a story and the other had an amazing story so so what what but what are the what are the the most anticipated games right now Dead Space and RE4 remakes yeah I feel like probably yeah yeah probably those just funny isn't it like yeah the remakes of old games I uh so I mean Spider-Man 2 is coming out next year but we don't know anything about it I'm not sure hmm um there's more than that I know I'm I'm blanking at the moment um well wait Moly do you play Pikmin do you like Pikmin I think Pikmin is cool you're making a Pikmin 4 that's coming out next year well there you go don't know anything about it but yeah that's happening that'll be on the Nintendo Switch yes and I guess it's it's I'm wondering if like cause the Switch is going to be six years old um like next year I reckon we're going to get a new console announcement soon uh I mean I feel like they need to update like it's it's getting a little bit like man you are especially now the PlayStation 5 is out it's like man you are you are like old technology long in the tooth yeah it's uh it's yeah especially especially if there's meant to be this whole Call of Duty for 10 years on like Nintendo it might be the cloud version that they've been doing for a few games that they've released on there which that's kind of an interesting thing in terms of like media preservation everything that you can buy like games for a console but like the game that you purchased is cloud only so it's like I guess that game only works as long as there's a server that enables you to play it or a system that will allow you to play it yeah cause what happens when like online stops and you have a cloud based game like and only play on the cloud that doesn't run on the physical hardware well what happens when you're I mean when you get you know it relies entirely on people making systems that are you know backwards compatible with these digital virgins you know which probably won't be an issue they probably are very forward thinking in that regard but you would hope so you do wonder yeah I guess that's thank all people love the M.O.N. video on reddit the only reddit that's gonna like that video is the EFAP one like every other one be like this guy talking about a movie for longer than the movie that is it all out that's bad you failed at being a reviewer you know what Waller would probably fail essays and university I just however would always references that it's like okay very strong opinions on the length of a video they they have knowledge from the heavens that it can only be so many minutes long just very they're so confident when they say that they're so confident they're trying to appeal as well to like some idea of like we should be doing that YouTube video length based on essay length in school it's like what that's such a weird argument it's like you can do whatever you want like what's like why is length school assay one that's a weird every and like you would fail it's like well good thing you're not writing an assay for high school like and every time someone they like makes a long video and they're like wow that's different though that's different that's different that's that's really well thought out and that I mean it has to be that longer else they're going to lose track on the you know all the details and things you know they have substance yeah Mahler just he just talks about the plot for five hours that's all he does oh well I know this because I've heard about it they will see in the organized chaos covers that's well that they're like criticism of our approaches that they can only talk about plot and I'm just like tell me something about the writing that you think we should talk about that we haven't talked about I'd be curious to know what it is that we missed and it's not I'm not talking about like a specific specific element I'm talking about like a a topic type about themes do they do they even know what they are have they taught they have any media the theme dusty when you started on YouTube did you need to practice to remove filler words from your speech or did you always speak without saying um or like I guess they're talking about podcasting versus scripting of course it's not hard to remove thumbs and likes from scripting but yeah I would say if you even compare me to the first I have noticeably improved my approach to I like to think I yeah I hope I have as well I know I've changed the pronunciation of some of my words to make them easier to understand like a conscious effort to try and come across as more digestible to the average ear because of course we cover a lot of people who couldn't give less of a fuck which they clearly don't care at all it just doesn't even factor into their minds when they're sitting down and writing things down but yeah it's the same thumbs and like still show up that's just something I can never ever know happens whatever I need to rely on to give me more time to express myself like those you know yeah I I guess the answer the question is though I do try and make a conscious effort to sound better not because I want like not in the same way that closer look does which is a strange decision but we've said before we're not against people turning on a voice that they don't actually have to sound better as long as it sounds better that's kind of yeah like instead of sounding cringier that's a bit weird or just absurd you do come across people you're like are you putting on you're putting on what is I know I'm I've always I've always found the like Cosmo variety hours voice compared to his like Candid sort of real life videos he sounds like he's doing something weird with his voice the heavy vocal fry I I can't listening to it it's so I don't see how people can deal with it I don't know some people really like it I don't know I suppose a lot of people on the poll sure do seem to find joy and do my thinking silco and jinx played hide this German sausage why is it German I don't know my German silco is not German I think so he wasn't I don't think Germany exists in the world anyway I don't think so enemy was not do sing Oh oh they talk about the intro song for a okay I wonder if they'll keep that season to maybe they'll make a new one but it it would definitely be imagine dragons oh yeah imagine dragons will probably have as many as three songs attached to that whole thing because makes intriguing they've got a very good relationship with the right with yeah they seem to be big fans of that game which I get which I mean that's that's cool right if they're like passionate invested in it who said I spent money to watch the bad content I always find that funny a lot of people like you guys spend money to watch these things that you're telling people not to get it's like first of all you can do that plenty of with right but family why do you always assume that change hey gang can't watch this amazing stream live as I'm in Wales with the GF and the internet is garbage in this country will catch up always went back love in the work you do keep it up high rags you bet hello I for a second I thought they would just try to say they can't catch the stream because they're in Wales and that just means you can't watch streams you don't have access like all damn it this doesn't they just hasn't gotten here yet you know yeah um hope you had fun and you when you catch up and everything know a lot of people have been waiting for getting the messages addressed from from this episode and so we're getting there folks or at least it'll be when you listen to this it'll be done so yeah that's right we will have arrived we will have gotten that by then but until then we're getting there yeah thanks high rags high wolf hello can't believe you're still going you mad bar stewards have some pennies for the pot and happy forth to all the e-fab crew also high rags you sexy fooker oh hello hello very kind hello there e-fab crew and guests that may still be around happy forth and thank you for all the years of fapping when taking notes on media what exactly do you look out for specifically in something well-written having trouble but maybe just me being nervous to start a channel just what we do for criticism in reverse basically kind of check and see if lines have subtext or alternative meetings or if there's different interpretations to anything being said check and see if there are good callbacks to previous information make sure I would say that I would sound like yet more as I make sure characters are acting consistently like a character shouldn't you should you shouldn't get those well wait a minute moments you know where you just can't believe that a character is doing something I would say that are something that I I tend to feel as the case and really strong stories as a really clear that that like that there's a there's an intentionality like a deliberateness to a lot of the writing decisions that have been made that comes through very clearly whether that's whether that's reincorporation foreshadowing subtext parallels those sorts of things that tend to be indicative of something that's really well thought out something that's well thought out and well realized I guess the problem is that it's like in terms of I guess giving someone advice on how to notice that it's like I'm not I'm not sure like that there would be advice on noticing that because maybe it's generally like a sense that I get with something like if we took for example something like the father has like a really strong like a very well written story that's like a film that it's it's so clear the the manner in which like these scenes have been set out and what characters are saying and that it's building up to something that like that comes through very clearly but I guess the way that you would explain how that comes through clearly is by two specific things in a scene and then connecting them to other things that you've seen in that scene or elsewhere like when you can draw connections between different parts of a story that's that's like the best way to try and illustrate when something is working or alternatively when something isn't working yeah I mean the my main thing is just going to be the find any examples of thing making sense and the more difficult slash higher variable it is more praise usually ends up going on for it it's like yeah is binded the more it adheres to its own existence it's just that's the difficult part of writing the more you write the longer your story the more difficult it is to keep everything juggled as was said before yeah because as a as a human being you know when someone's writing a story they have certain objectives in mind by comparison to like the real world where things happen and like things happen and they have cause an effect and whatever that means to people it's kind of up to them when someone's writing a story that they're creating the characters in sequence in service of their goals and I feel like the distinction which went a good story and a bad story or one of them at the very least is actually being able to achieve those narrative goals rather than fumbling them where it's like I can see what you were going for but like it just doesn't follow to another 200 more baby yeah hopefully absolutely I want it to happen knocked out 18 so yeah so again yeah Congrats on 200 really help me out y'all I'm glad I helped you out Congrats and thank you for all the fun gentlemen thank you have fun with it absolutely I think Anna has a new theme for her calendar don't know what that's referencing but sure is this a chuck tingle reading Oh, that'd be when we were looking at the Reddit posts about the people having sex with breaking bad memes that was when a chud logic jumped on Oh, right right Hello, longman Congrats gents or a raggers all hail the dawn and jab and kick Jay Well, hi to you all those things can be done I for one find this clown love beautiful and hope they will one day come a little clown boy out of it Oh, yeah, there was the clown love the clown sex honking the horns and stuff a member good do me just laugh now I don't have to keep thinking about silco and jinx writing the baloney pony anymore This is just all the same guy who's got to be a Happy 200 e-fappers Thank you very much Hello and a Yeah, thanks for Yeah, happy 200 to you was posted a little heart Oh I like hearts Um, Oh, the breaking bad Reddit thing just reminded me more could you be so kind and read this out in your best Mike Ermentrout voice please and please use actual swear words not the abbreviation Okay kind of confusing so you got like they've guess that's that's supposed to be fucking Oh, the idea here is to read out like a quote from wings but as Mike Ermentrout Um Yeah, it's the surgery one that literally puts dog whimper in the apostrophe or whatever like the sound Oh no I I have to I haven't done Mike's voice at ages though what has he's like uh I wanted I wanted I wanted this surgery guys I wanted it so I wanted it so you you and your pride yeah that's what I'm trying to I wanted it so fucking bad I can't do that I can't take sorry noise I got well because the the actual is like that's the noise but what does that sound like I want Mike to say yeah just Mike make that noise as does he make a different one I can't I can't do it I can't take it take it no more man I just wanted it I I see I slipped back into the wings accent all I wanted I just wanted I was I was lonely I just wanted to get on and have a good stream maybe have a good game might mean dude you got it so close do you know this quote like back to back so yeah of course because I think yeah that it's it is the best one these are wings of redemption story in wow it's that one specifically that one is just it's too memorable I'm just fucking lonely I just want a fucking stream have a good time maybe have a good game I gotta it's it's it's it's it's it's interesting like isn't it like just the fact like like the fact that just after I started crying you like throws this controller as he does he does he just keeps throwing the controller the dog whimper his thinking that's that was the thing that sealed its fate as like one of the most iconic memes like yeah I went camping for two days And now there are two episodes of Batwoman uploaded, an Umbbridled Rage, and they're still streaming. Praise be the long. Oh yeah, that'd be quite a content blast if you missed out on a few... All at once. We need to shame people liking bad content. Saying people are allowed to like bad stuff is unethical because it promotes complacency of idiocy. I don't know about that. Uh... Yeah, it's been, uh, a bit excessive, I'd say. I think that takes a little too far, because I can understand there are, uh, worse consequences when we don't try to discourage like shittier stuff, but at the same time, there are a lot of people who aren't engaging in media the same way that we would like everyone to sort of take, you know, like, we want to take it seriously, we want it to be better, we think it's important, but plenty of people live their lives being like, you know, dealing with like, their families or whatever. You just go watch a movie, you know? Yeah, the... You just go to the movies to watch a fun, like, action movie and some spectacle, you know, there's plenty of people who just go and watch that or just want some light entertainment. And I don't blame them. That's totally fine. Well, yeah, I mean, everybody's got their preferences, ultimately. Like, I'm not really going to expect everybody to take it as seriously as I do. I think the only, the only thing that I want is for there to be a healthy enough space for the stuff that I like to thrive. That's basically all I want. I feel like you look at the video game world and that's like a lot easier thanks to like, the flourishing of the indie sort of space, middle market space, that there's like a lot of stuff that can find success, even if, you know, something like Call of Duty, for instance, is like hugely dominant. If it was like the film industry is going through a bit of a tough time though at the moment in terms of like, original stories, smaller stories, like being able to carve out a space for themselves. It used to be like 40 years ago, you could have just like a very serious drama that isn't trying to be a crowd pleaser end up becoming like the most successful film, whereas now it's all franchise stuff for the most part. Like I don't know, like, like if I, like if I looked up the highest grossing film of like, I don't know, yeah, I'm trying to figure out how it can Wikipedia help me. Yeah, like if you look at like 2022, the highest grossing films of 2022, Top Gun, Jurassic World, Doctor Strange, Minions, Black Panther, the Batman, Thor, Love and Thunder, the battle at Lake Shenzhen too. And it's like you run through that list. It's like, man, a lot of sequels, a lot of franchise stuff. Meanwhile, if you decided to, I don't know, jump back to like some year in the 80s, probably, yeah, like you look like in 1985, what was the highest grossing film? Oh, well, maybe that wasn't a great year to pick back to the future. The first one, but then Rambo 2, Rocky Four, but then it's just a bunch of other films like the Colour Purple out of Africa. Like, yeah, it just seems like there's a lot more, there was more room for original standalone films to like find and carve out some success for themselves. Now it just seems like way harder for that to happen, way less likely. Yeah. I don't know that that changes. I don't know that anything changes on that front. You know, I feel like franchises, studios like their franchises, they're nice, safe bets. Oh, and it's a nice, nice one. They're good. Just it is nice to be sure. Nobody's saying like, how bad is it that the Mission Impossible franchise is still going and pumping out all these? Like, as long as it's good, man. Yeah, if it's good, I'm for it. I got work twice during this EFAP. Don, bless, keep being massive. Does that make sense that it could happen? Yeah. A lot of people get very shocked with the 24-hour ones. People having it with that Synthetic Man one. People are like, I went to sleep and you're still going. It's like, yeah. Remember when 11 and a half hours was just the common for EFAP lengths? Oh, I'm glad we, I'm glad we can't, we don't do that all the time. We got limits. Yeah, it's horrible. A lot of the time when you finish, you're just like, I got that post-Kanobi clarity. Does happen. I mean, the thing is a lot of people loved it as they were watching it, especially because of that moment, right? With with Anakin and Obi-Wan. Data mask breaking. It's like incredible. Then like you sit on it for a little bit and you're like, man. Oh, shit. A whole thing. At least we've got that line, that hilarious line of, so you've come to destroy me. That shit was fucking. That was hilarious. It catches you off guard when he says it. Yeah. Wait, what, Vader? What are you doing, buddy? Vader, what are we doing? You walked out of your spaceship. Do y'all have any interesting but kind of useless skills? Like, I'm really good at whistling. Thanks for nearly 100 days in with hours worth of content. Whistling is not useless. Whistling is not useless. It's generally useless, but it serves the purpose it is built for. It's just fun. Yeah, because I would say that I'm pretty good at whistling and I find that to be very valuable. I find it stupid and valuable that I can do that. Really? Why is that? I like being able to whistle because it means that I can create tunes for myself to listen to and enjoy without needing like my headphones or anything. Because I think it's pretty easy for me. Like if I whistle something for the song itself to kind of coalesce in my head much more clearly than if I just sort of sat there and tried to think about it. So yeah, I find whistling to be like super, duper valuable. It's kind of what I'm saying. Okay, the main capacity I use whistling is singing along with or while remembering songs I like. And if someone said like, that's not very useful, I'd be like, well, it's as useful as it is. You know what I mean? Like it's it didn't. I don't know. It's enjoyable to me. I can just put it useful, yeah. I would hate to not have it as an ability. I like it a lot. If I don't have my phone and I want to whistle God of War, I can do that. And then I start to hear the song very clearly in my head. Yeah, which is nice. But then I guess it gets the point is what is a useless skill then? I don't know because I feel like if it's a skill, it's got some utility. I don't know if I have any skills, useless skills. I mean, if if we want to go with it probably won't ever be put into some important use, I'm sure like like I'd mentioned orienteering before, I think I've gotten all my money's worth and, you know, you know, distance out of that, so to speak. I don't think I'll ever use that again. I don't think it'll ever be ever be necessary for me to use, but it was it was really nice to, you know, know how to do it and use it to, you know, you know, as I did. But I'm sure there's all kinds of things like being able to balance a like a broom at the end of your finger or I don't know. Maybe sitting here thinking I don't know. You don't often think about useless skills that you have. Yeah, I don't know. I just don't know a lot that comes to mind. You know, if you have like a water bottle in your hand, I can spin it on one hand, but the reason that developed was because I kept picking up bottles in ways that were they were upside down. And so I'd spin it and then eventually got the point was really good at it and someone noticed and they were like, how the fuck do you do that? And then I was like, oh, I guess anyone can do it. It's just not something that's it was accidentally developed and I can't release it. It would be like I could see showman type people probably a good at it. It's like a sleight of hand thing, but it's not something I can do anyway other than when I pick up a bottle the wrong way around. Hmm. That's about it. I don't know if that counts as useless or not, but that's still kind of useful. I mean, yeah, it's it, you know, it's kind of under that umbrella of useless, you know, like, but you know, I guess it's nice to have little things like that. Like I could if I pick up something backwards, I could flip it around in my hand, which saves like valuable second course in my life. Yeah, you know. Well, there you go. And they said thanks for nearly a hundred days and hours worth of content. So no problem very much. Glad you've enjoyed them. Hi rags. Hello. I'm a time traveler from the past started episode one in October 2021 caught up at episode 197 at the start of August. Also doesn't make you a time traveler, but cool. Cool. Also very slowly episode nine Kylo ship explodes in desert then undies for Ray to steal on ruins you notice. Well, I guess you want to believe you got a new one. Yeah. Yeah, they provided him with a new ship. I guess they have they got room in the budget for Kylo's ships. Maybe this is a regular thing. He just always ruin them ruining them. We are too long and off to misunderstand. Oh, wait, they said we too are long and off to miss it. Oh, yeah. Our long videos about media are also huge right now. Why is more of the exception? Because Quinton can make three eight hour long rambly videos about iCarly. Yeah, I mean a lot more long videos started to become more of a thing which is neat. Very in favor of belong. We're pro long. Long man friend or fed. I think they'd let me be a fed. As long as I get to talk about media. Jared man any way home in any way. Any way every sentence almost you'd be like you get to the point of summarizing his video like reaching the end of it several times of the video. The first one coming in at like, you know, 20% into the video. How can I submit a halo left for dead to mod collection so you and the crew can play on eFab gaming. There is also an alien and Lord the Rings collection if you're interested. I mean we can find those right if we ever start playing a lot of left for dead. Yeah, I imagine so. They're playing the Lord the Rings one a whole bunch. On Helmsteep the map. Yeah. Natsu versus a lot of standard anime storytelling mess. However, every different story is a different universe. There is essentially no continuity. Natsu verse like an anthology then I have no clue. Hello, been a fan of eFab for two years now. You guys are awesome. I was wondering if you guys had any tips and advice for someone thinking about starting their own YouTube channel. Oh, get a good microphone. Make sure you talk about the topics. Yes, make sure that you are passionate about and you care about the the the topics that you're you're you know, covering it is it is important that you do that. Yeah, that's the main advice. Honestly, those two things you're almost set to go because even if you make incredibly low edited videos like just a poster and you talking about a movie, you'll be fine. Things are starting up and then chip away at improving maybe the relevant visuals or script writing. Just another thing people often say is just hey, start making so you have something to build on. Of course, good luck. You got anything for me? Nah, not really. There's there's a lot of things that could be said about in terms of like advice for how to start a YouTube. I'm not even sure I'd begin even simple foundational stuff. Uh, just, you know, write your scripts and redrafting, revising super duper important. Yeah, that's what I have something to say. That's something you haven't heard. Yes, I think I think that what really makes for something being valuable is yeah, like to try and yeah, to try and have something to say is pretty important. I would say I guess I guess there's a difference between the advice on how to make a success for YouTube channel versus a good one. But hopefully the goal is to create a good one and then hope that that leads to some level of attention. Yeah, congrats. Got caught up before one nine nine. You've helped me tons in my own writing. Love you guys. Hi rags. Fringo malls and kick J in the face. Damn. Oh my goodness. Hello though. But yes, hi. This one just says you're a devil. All right. Oh, yeah, I suppose so. How long would it take Shakespeare to clean up the milk? I don't know. I'd have to know how much milk there is to clean up and how fast Shakespeare is at cleaning up milk. Yeah, if he has like a some sci-fi cleanup device versus just like a hanky. Yeah, I have to know the milk to time ratio for him. Congrats on 200 year massives and thanks for the long. No problem. Hello there long ladies and gentlemen, doggoes, froggos, memes, metals, massives and many more. Happy 200. You talented team of toxicity and thank you for helping me through some tough times. See you for 250. Oh, absolutely. You there? Yeah. Won't be that long. Mm hmm. Thank you very much. Ifap 200 madness, rage and two bat women all at once. All those people I sacrificed to Cthulhu were totally worth it this time. Also, hi rags. Hello to you. Yes, they were. Yes, they were. That's what it right out. Means a lot. Is there going to be a toss pot story hour gliders? Gisaris would suffice. I guess. There wasn't. I was unable to set up, but I've been trying to sort out getting them on. Just look about stuff. Media. So perhaps in future, you shall see some more. Bro has a toss pot. Uh, I'd name my son Hugh Filipinas, then he'd be Hugh penis. Are they going for huge? This huge doesn't really do it, does it? You know, because remember in the symptoms, it was huge ass, which gets the huge. That was, yeah. So close. Now he's just called Hugh penis. Just weird. Yeah. To EFAP and crew. Thank you for four incredible years. Here's to many more episodes and to even more memories, laughs and memes. May the dawn bless you. Also high rags. Hello to you very much. Yeah. I wanted to get in before it's over. Hi rags. Hello. Guess we're getting close to the end then. Oh, so would you believe the boys TV show is better than the comic? No. No. I, uh, not season two. Well, I would say two and three are just fucking bad. And the fact that I often see people be like, oh, they've ruined the comic is like, maybe the comic isn't particularly well written, but I'm sure it's better than what I got on that show. Right. Surely. Surely. Um, hey, Mola, what's your star sign? I think Libra, right? I don't know. I don't care though. That's labor. Yeah. But what are you talking about? If stars are in a certain location, that's a bunch of personality. Oh, whether your YouTube videos are good or long enough. I see. Or something. Um, well, have you seen the cringe that is pond story in his review of Half-Life 2 congrats on EFAP 200? No, I haven't. But he's the guy I said there's no such thing as bad graphics, right? He's the crazy guy. Yeah, I've seen shit. Everyone's on the discord. Yeah, he's there's no such thing as bad graphics. That's a video he has. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Yeah, I guess I don't even understand like the premise there. Well, the first thought I have is like, are you going with the whole like, there's no such thing as bad or good. Anything. So it's all subjective and relevant relative to like the human experience or whatever. I feel like, yeah, but surely colloquially you understand exactly what it's referring to. You think so. Yeah. I remember someone summarizing it in discord. So this could be unfair, but I remember him saying something like he said, it's all pixels. All of it is just pixels anyway. So we're sure. But like, I don't know, all of the text on the book is just ink printed to a page. Like then, you know, like them really mean anything. It reducted. Yeah, that's true. But it doesn't tell me anything. Everything is everything. Everything is just Adam. So what do we what do we mean to say when we make any kind of anything? Well, I guess it's just like, I don't know. It seems a bit silly. Like, how about we get real? You know, like that presuming that that's presuming that that's like the claim. The last video reminds me so much of old tonald. Yeah, what video we covered, but we should watch on stream. Hopefully. Donald's Ragnarok review. Honestly, it compares because I'm genuine of the point of thinking like it might actually be more thoughtful than most reviews you see. I'd be curious. It's very possible. Yeah, if he takes up a passion for it, I can absolutely believe that. Sometimes channels like these hire people to speak their scripts for them that they've translated and they don't get someone to proofread. Oh, God, this was the guy. Remember, we covered the guy who was saying insane crazy shit right at the end of the Eve have anniversary destiny was after it. I remember that. Well, I think he was what did he say? What was the crazy shit that he said? He was his language was all over the place. Like someone had bad. Oh, I think I know. I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember the specifics because of that. That shit would have been sent to the memory hall because I was so tired at that point. Like what? I think even we were even questioning like is this because we're tired or because he's actually not speaking English and chat was like 5050 on that. Racial minorities and sexual minorities. Are they age minorities and weight minorities as well? Well, there's got to be. Right? Yeah, they got to be the way it works with age. What are the age minorities? Is it like this? Both the country, right? I was in a lot of it depends in a lot of developing countries, it's old people, but in a lot of developed countries, it's younger people or like, for instance, I'm pretty sure in Japan, there's a lot more people over the age of 65 than there are like under the age of 25, like a lot more because of the it's just kind of the nature of like population, the way that populations are spread out. Developed countries tend to their tend to drop below the replacement rate. People live for a lot longer because medicine improves. People have less kids and so it starts to skew a bit where like the minority ends up being younger demographics, but then in a lot of developing countries, it's older demographics because lots of kids and people don't live for as long. So it depends on what country you're talking about. So like in Japan, I'm pretty sure that the age minority is like people under the age of 25 or 30. But like in, I don't know, Sierra Leone, it would be people above the age of 65. What was the other one? Wait. Yeah, of course, right? It would. Yeah. But again, it depends on the country. If it's a developed country, fat people aren't as much of a minority as they are in developing countries. I think I might have had a typo. What I meant was the boys comic is worse than the show. Oh, that's what I read it as. But and it's possible. I just doubt it. Yeah, it could be. I've heard that the comic isn't great. That's what a very edgy. Happy 4th anniversary. Thanks for all the discussions and laughs. This is ER with a little heart did pop on for a decent chunk of time. Actually, somebody wake up the bird. Hey, this was like in our 23 and 4, right? We were I was I was real tired. I think we all were. Yeah, also high rags. Hello, are you people still up? What the hell? Anywho, thank you all for hosting one of the best podcasts I've found. Keep up the good work and high rags. Hello, we were still up. Thank you. Here's to four years. You lovely massives. Keep up the fantastic work and high rags. Hello to you. Anime has clear dark and adult content that's still aimed at kids. One piece and Dragon Ball Z have violence and nudity, but it's still for everyone. I haven't seen the level of which those would qualify. But of course, yeah, violence, how much? Yeah, like because someone getting punched is like violence, but kids can see that. That's yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And nudity is the same thing. You could have like cutesy, you know, giggle at it nudity, but you could also have like sexual nudity. Yeah, like child-friendly nudity often includes like woman's shirt comes off, but still wearing other things. Yeah, you see like you see some cartoon butt cheeks and it's like everyone's embarrassed by it. And he goes, oh, he runs and grabs a towel. Yeah, something like that. Why is he going so hard at original Disney? I remember. Oh, I remember a video that was talking about something to do with like how Disney had created the attitude that animation is for kids. Wasn't it? I think like that was Disney's fault that that was facilitated. And he was talking about the haze code, I think and all that. Oh, yeah, like back in the 30s and 40s, all of these sort of restrictions on like the types of stories that could be told. If you have 201, should just be reviewing all about film videos since he can't speak right and makes hilarious statements. All right. I can't remember what you've had 201 was about. I think we usually the follow up you've had from like an anniversary. She's like a calm down you. Yeah, of course. I'm sure you probably covered it and I missed it, but has the gang gone into Diabetes hate boner to Mauler's latest video. That's a video we still have yet to cover. He said things about my video, but I haven't even seen what it is yet. I haven't either. I'm very serious. Lasted 45 to 50, you know, a minute long. That's just bad writing. Like, I don't know what to say. Like when, when your sentences are so long that people begin to lose track of what you're saying. Yeah, that's the big thing. It's like it's hard to understand the sentences when they last that long. All your brains risk is his. The goal of communication is to convey information effectively. That's like that's the point of speaking is to convey information in your head to someone else. Wow. Coming from the long people and then it's like, yeah. Yes, conveying a lot of information. Just full stops your friend because of course you'd be like, well, it's still grammatically correct. It's like, yeah, sure. But like, holy shit, dude, like just a full stop every now and then wouldn't hurt. If you're getting to the point where your sentence is so long that you have to like pause to breathe. It's worth considering shortening that. Thoughts on Super I patch Wolf and Pyrocynical. I don't know. I've heard of Pyrocynical, but I don't know who they are really. Apparently Pyro has turned himself into quite the long man and I've had his videos recommended a couple of times, but I haven't seen any of them. Super I patch Wolf. I thought was neat until I started to notice that he does like the same thing for every video. That was always my take on it. I could be wrong at this point, but that's I like found his video on Simpsons compelling and then I realized that he does the exact same thing for everything like. I felt like it wasn't genuine that it was more so just to make things work for an algorithm sort of thing, but I mean the information I guess was still pretty on point. So I'd say approval of both channels. It's just that I haven't seen enough of both of them to really have a beating full approval of either channel. So have you seen anything about him? They bring you I've heard of Pyrocynical having heard of the other guy, but yeah, not really familiar with Pyro Pyro Cynical's content. Are you guys aware that you used guts theme from 1997 Berserk anime at the end of Batwoman Season 2 Episode 9? Great choice. Also read Berserk. Well, that had been that's bullshit choice, I imagine. Yeah, yeah. Julio, that was the guy. I mean, Harry is still a kid, so it makes sense. He's not going to be completely mature and then just stop needing to learn. He has to keep learning. I'm a Harry Potter. I don't know. This would be really right at the end. Now we're talking about stuff with I think Destiny would have been on at this point. Yeah, I think so. SpongeBob has surrealism for kids and well-written dialogue and cynicism for adults episodes like Squidville and dying for pie have a contrast between a bitter adult like Squidward and a fun kid at heart like SpongeBob. I mean, yeah, like you don't need to like animation and including animation that's directed at kids can be like full of meaning and thematic weight. Absolutely. The Rescue Me TV show did the same crap of the main character evolving and then devolving at the end and start of every season. Like his character development. Well, well, that was never seen this show. American dad was that he learned to not be bigoted like several times like like 15. But he resets. Yeah, because that's the kind of show it is. When watching Tenet, think of it as a glorified music video. Have a couple beers, turn the volume all the way up and enjoy the cheesy ass dialogue. We are being attacked by the future. They said they loved it. Well, whenever I see someone compliment Tenet, it's always in the framing of it being like conventionally bad. Is that video that someone sent the thumbnail of where it said it's like on the viewer to make sense of it for themselves because everyone's saying it's nonsense. I'd like to hear that. No, I don't like to hear that either. It's like, oh, like when you bring your own interpretation is like, you know, most things don't have to rely on that as a way of escaping higher. We'll see it someday, I'm sure. The projector froze while I was watching the butterfly effect. The frame melted because of the heat. It looked crazy and it took us a minute to realize it wasn't just part of the film. Oh, wow. Kind of fun. Interesting. I've never seen that. Batman and Robin is the best Batman film. Arnold carries it all on his own through. Wow. True, though. It's a high score. I would say like low bowling at 11 out of 10. Probably at least 11 out of 10. There's never been a finer Batman, Robin, Batgirl, Alfred, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, or Poison Ivy. I mean, Shiner, Gordon. And its music was much better than tennis dialogue. So maybe the audio mixing wasn't an accident. Big thing. I don't know, man. Just just judging from his filmography, people often pick up his audio mixing is getting fucked, which is really weird to have as a problem when you're that famous and well-versed in film. But if you're like, well, it's always deliberate. You're like, all right. Strange choice, but all right. Cage match. Mola versus Destiny. People still wants to have that Star Wars discussion. Maybe one about which one it was about last Jedi, right? Yeah, basically about whether or not it's. Well, he put he's the thing that he was saying, I think that was the thing I was want to challenge was like, I think he puts it above the prequels by far. But his main argument being the prequels failed at what they were supposed to do while the sequel succeeded. Yeah, it's just kind of like what is that even? What am I supposed to do with that? What are we getting the real ending for Game of Thrones? Have to go to fanfiction for that, my friend. Yeah, best you got. Game balance is so important for abilities, weapons and difficulty, forcing an easy mode requires rebalance through. Yeah. If you because that's the thing, right? If someone said there should be an easy mode and you introduce one and you just make every enemy have a third of the health they had on the other modes, like you can do that. It's probably going to have ways of being fucked with that. You don't realize in terms of how everything else is balanced if you put a lot of work into making everything match everything. It's kind of what I was trying to bring up. I was not articulating it very well when Synthetic Man said that the range on the blades of chaos is smaller than in the original games as a criticism. It's like the game is built to have much less in terms of what enemies you're fighting in smaller areas. Of course, like the range would then have to be balanced. That's how everything works. You're like considerate about how everything works with each other. Well, they certainly thought about it while they're making the game. Yes. Congrats on 200. Get dogged, Fringy. Bye rags. Get dogged. Yeah. Yeah, get dogged. No. Good night, Longman, Frog Daddy G, and Ragalicious. Good night. Good bye. Good night, past person. To the whole EFAP crew, you have helped me get through some very hard times. Having something to listen to and make me think and focus on why I came to the opinions I have is part of the reason I'm still here. Thank you. Oh, very glad to hear that we helped you out there. Yeah, hope you're doing all right. And it's good to hear. Absolutely. And fire or even simply entertain even for a fleeting moment. Thank you all for four wonderful years. Continue being long. Drink the rhino milk. Praise the dawn and high rags. Hello to you. Happy 200 long people of the long. Check out scorn by ebb software. It looks really interesting, especially for spooky seasons. It does look interesting. You bet. It sure does. Well, you're in luck. We got an EFAP episode about it. Go check it out. It came true. Yes. Someone recommended it on an open bar and I was like, they were like, it's really good. I was like, oh, no. So long and thanks for all the fish. No problem. And thanks for all the fish. I do love me some fish and like fish. The final super chat is good night. Oh, good night. Good night. And that night to you. That's every message we got during EFAP 200. Wow, we caught up on that. Yeah, we still got other things to catch up on, but we'll get there. Yeah, what can be said? Sorry, it took this long to get them all done, but they are now collected. I'll label this properly and release it soon enough. That'll obviously be relative. But seriously, thank you all so much. Very much appreciate it. Keeps all the lights on. Absolutely. Obviously, the the engagements and just back and forth with you in chat and the sort of the just letting us know about what the show does for you. It's really helps keep us motivated to keep it going beyond just the chats that we would have as friends anyway. 200 was a bit of a milestone. It is kind of insane to know how far and how long this show has been going. I said before, but if it were to end in some kind of natural way, I'd feel like we went for a fucking really long and healthy time was kind of nuts. Absolutely. We would have undoubtably, but I don't see any reason to stop anytime soon on my plans. But yeah, he fab has been a crazy thing. That's to know that we're already on our way to the fifth anniversary will be that long. There we go. Yeah, we're almost. Yeah, we're good. What 40 percent of the way like that. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. I was it gives us been for nearly four months since the anniversary, which means we're actually a third of the way there. Yeah, said that is a prep, I get like it gives the topics a gas board exist. Oh, if only we've made it every two years. Oh, I feel like that doesn't have the same sort of that people like anniversaries, you know. Wonder why me that a thing who came up with the idea of a year. Um, I don't actually know. I guess the first civilization that really well, even before then, we would have we before proper civilization. Humans would have noticed patterns in the seasons and that they set a time for how it resets. Yeah, even if it wasn't exact, they would know that cycle and be as crazy to know all the way back then. They were thinking about our podcast and how we'd need to do one per year. That's why they did that. One day too long people on Magic Boxes talk across world to talk about stories about talk about story. Yeah, you're crazy. You're oh, oh, you're you're crazy. He was proven right proven right. He was right. He doesn't know what that he was proven right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, like I said, thank you all so much. And I imagine this is being released alongside all kinds of other things. EFAP ain't stopping anytime soon. Oh, it's becoming. As for us, we're going to go on catching up because we're still behind. So thank you all. Yep. And we shall see you for the next anniversary or video. Whatever it may be. Mm hmm. Good. Goodbye.