 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa is now time for off the press We have a quick review of the stories making headlines across Nigeria this Thursday morning I'm starting with the daily Independent newspapers and the big one should be on your screen in a few seconds the big one there is talking about the Of course one of the things I just mentioned the state of emergency in Anambra state It says federal government gets knocks over emergency rule threat in Anambra And as I said state of emergency threat and embarrassment Plan reaffirms discriminatory posture of government says pandev north east more qualified for emergency rule Ubani tells federal government Also, see you PPA alleges plots to derail 2023 poll scuttle electoral act amendment Still on the daily independent 10% of political class feasting on Nigeria's Commonwealth says the NLC So all new names by Gadda house in a state after under busy canoe Governor ex-governors nadeco chief things navy and others on our ex Milad and also a PC heading for implosion and extinction party youths warn insist no imposition during national convention NCC disqualifies Nigerians below 18 years from owning sim cards and We can also find on the daily independent more boring will trail 6.258 trillion Naira 2022 budget deficit says federal government PDP convention mark Sarki reject party national chairmanship Moving on from the daily independent. Let's go to the punch newspapers High budget deficit don't harm our future experts warn government federal government plans more loans Naira will fall further inflation would rise debt servicing will worsen say experts And it says government will continue to borrow to finance projects. No money says minister Everywhere I go a maxed about a max to contest 2023 presidential seat says Kalu And also this morning caught someone's funny coyotes ex-wife of our ledge document falsification Female ex-NIS officer arrested for scamming job seekers and collecting 34 million Naira Can reconstitutes prayer panel against killings kidnappings and others and to Randy a kitty men remanded for scaling fence and raping a 16-year-old girl in a mother's room We can also find on the punch this morning Legos a belkata highway protesters threatened to ground Ogun issue 21 day automaton Federal government considers taking states to Supreme Court of a value-added tax saga and also an umbrella killings PDP alleges Regan plot will be another kicks as federal government malls emergency rule and I think we can move from the punch now So what we can find on the daily trust newspapers federal government malls state of emergency in Anambra Malami confirmed our worst fears says the state government Take order to Zamfara Katsina. I've got says and also APC planning to rig. That's from the PDP Biafra agitation madness counter groups Likely says umahi and also Nigeria and others the benefit as Google in invest 410 billion Naira in Africa's global transformation Federal government to borrow six point two five eight trillion Naira to finance 2022 budget Still on the daily trust 37 days after Buhari yet to appoint new ministers from Kanu and Tarabah Scores killed houses burnt as gunmen attack Zamfara village and Mixed reactions as NCC sets 18-year age limit for sim ownership and others in draft Regulation finally under leadership newspapers this morning on insecurity federal government malls state of emergency in Anambra Insist November 6th governorship election must hold it will worsen security situation says on as a federal government constitutionally empowered to declare emergency rules as a Lawyers are speaking and the Anambra case does not suggest that and that's from the PDP Also on the leadership this morning pension Managers have diverted billions of Naira says the EFCC NLC opts for living wage declares minimum pay dead and we can also find a POS and mobile money transactions hit 9.7 trillion Naira Push to throw PDP presidential ticket open intensifies I think present moment where presents a 16.39 trillion Naira 2022 budget today. Those are the big stories on the Leadership news papers. Good morning to our guest Mr. Ezekiel Nyayetok a public affairs analyst. Thanks for joining us All right, of course the big one that has made headlines across all the papers is the controversy concerning the state of emergency in Anambra state a Lot of people have spoken against it But a federal government of course, you know still playing with the idea. What are your thoughts on this? I Think that it's very unfortunate absolutely Unfortunate that there's what you call emotional intelligence in governance and it comes down to what I've always talked about We we the way forward in governance is is cerebral governance governance is an Extremely important affair that you need the brightest and the best to take the most informed Decision in time for time the Bible says all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient If you read the spirit of the time, you will understand that the Insecurity on the southeast comes from a primary source We may have other secondary sources, but the primary source is that of feeling alienated that of feeling not wanted That of feeling like second-class citizens that are feeling that We are really not part of this business. We are like Passengers we're not like, you know principal actors or participants or stakeholders And if you do come to terms with that primary, you know concern then everything you do should be to the end of dispelling that notion They could have been something that they misunderstood so you'll give so much time to show that They are important. They ask stakeholders When you have done that on the first hand Then you seemingly take the wind of the sail Because as much as they are very enlightening, you know Southeasterners who are really not happy with what I pop is doing because their businesses are being interrupted and everything They are also at the back of your minds not happy that The federal government treats them the way they do And what has just happened shows the the complete lack of emotional intelligence on the part of the the attorney general and There's a post-theoring that he really needs to be called to attention called to call to order You know the the the attorney general to my mind To my mind, I may be wrong and I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong Has this impression of not being a servant but of a lord of a master Of being somebody that that That should be I don't know the word to use that will not be extremely derogatory So he talks down on people. So he has this post-turing that is like He's doing us a favor and he's wrong So if if you look at everybody has said the same thing, so I'm just going to sound like a broken record Look at what's going on in the northeast. Look at Dan Farah. Look at Katzina Look at the state where the governor has come up and said look, this is not past me or no fit a game And he said it's absolutely nothing And then Anambra is about to hold a lecture and you are as much as Imagining not to talk of verbalizing, you know, uh, you know Emergency rule in that state Exactly what did he want to achieve? It beats my imagination exactly what Mr. Malami Internet to achieve On the flip side of it I think that it's absolutely important that the southeasterners Ask themselves exactly what they are doing to themselves. Forget about Malami I think that time has come for that conversation To hold. I know he's starting to hold. I know he's coming late in the day But I also believe he's better late than never Because if we get inside the house and start to talk objectively And you know looking at each other in the eyeball I think that there's a lot of absolutely stupid, reckless, irresponsible things being done Where you are smiting your nose to spite your face It doesn't add up So I think that like there's a greek adage that says, you know It's not a new name. It's not a new quote. You wouldn't understand It simply means as you caution the hops you should also caution the chicks I think this is a two-way thing that we must take together Quickly also share your thoughts on those who have you know seen this and of course brought up conspiracy theories That this is just a government's plan to You know or some well some person's plan to steal the election And that's might be the reason they are thinking about this. These are just theories flying left and right And but do you agree that it gives space for those theories? That's the reason I found it you see with all due respect to my very very very cerebral Nice intelligent articulate patriotic friends that are in the APC. I think the APC is largely controlled by people Who just don't think with their brain? They don't think it's like You know, maybe we'll come to it where you talk of ncc trying to put age regulation on who owns sim cards Maybe we'll come to it. I really wish we'll come to it But the thing is that these people Think of governance and how to win more like thugs A lot of them And that's not the way you win governance democratically by superior argument That's what democracy is all about appeal to the people come to the people give them superior Arguments on why they should change and follow you. I don't know why anybody would want to join APC at this point in time Because all indices. I'm not an APC member. I'm not a PDP member. I belong to the third group We were a AGC is but and and I'm telling our party We just got to come cerebral. We got to come as a clean alternative because these people are not thinking This is not governance It's not governance So I think that it's not it's not beyond them to think that way of you know Just causing some troubles here and there so that they can now Create this state of emergency and then bring about you know, then being in control to conduct the election After with their food that is the more reason the southeasterners should wise up and sit up and think straight and re-strategize All right, miss. I miss. I talk I now want you because you already mentioned it. Let's now go to talking about the ncc's new In regulation and saying that only 18 year olds and above can own sim cards Do you think that's you know a good move? Is the most is the most disingenuous most thoughtless The most provoking thing I've heard in a long time Do you know are people in government? Don't have a lot of the don't have the capacity to discern the signs of the times Technology is the future of the world We are thinking of how to get telephones, which is Smallest part of technology the primary school children You are thinking of limiting age limit to 18 years to own a phone in 2023 in 2021 This is preposterous Absolutely mind-boggling how somebody in this age can think that way It's about mental laziness What we should be thinking of is how do we get telephones into the hands of primary school children What we should be thinking of is how do we get laptops as a state policy to every stationary stationary institution child What we should be thinking of is how can we make programming coding, you know A part of the curriculum in secondary school, even a primary school What we should be thinking of is okay. There are problems because of abuse 419 and things like how do we create an ecosystem That isolates these people How do we that's when you bring thinkers into government and governance These people are called pro you know solution providers These are people who whose brain is charged constantly. These are the people that should be in government And they say okay. Why don't we do like this? Can we have parents buying scenes For their children below a certain age so that There are special scenes that are cloned It means that once your parent buys this phone for you Whatever activities that you do with your phone reflect on the phone of your sponsor or of your parents In which case they have access and you cannot block them to the sites that you watch on the network Yes, they have access to the mails that come to you. They have access to they You know just that thought will make the children I don't even know how somebody of 15 years is a child How are we even thinking of our youth? That is why somebody at 45 calls himself a youth Somebody else 50 is a youth It's it's it's you know weird, you know because I know that and these are some of the statements that I also saw yesterday that You know in certain parts of the country, you know, they're still being able to get married at 16 and at 15 And so, you know, how you know, do you not see that person as a child? But you know, you you see an 18 year old You know and of course the ncc is Banning people from getting phone phones at that age And also, you know talking about innovation and you know, how we we need to get more young people Access to the internet smartphones, you know, very very important in in today's age For those who can't afford laptops, they can still do research on their smartphones 14 and 15 years Wow, you know, you know, I I I pray God gives me opportunity to To live at the setting capacity There will be laws statements and thinking patterns That will make other states to sit off Because we really need to recalibrate. We need to reset with our thinking our thinking has become completely Anachronistic and not in times with the times, you know Technology is I look forward to a president who would want to be the minister not of petroleum But of the ICT Because that's a future of Nigeria Anybody I see thinking oil has no business being in government at the setting leadership position All right, let's move away back governance to cerebral governance. Yeah, let's move to the punch now There's something on the punch there. It's also one of the big stories Saying don't harm our future experts one government for the government plans more loans They're talking about borrowing more than six trillion Naira to support the 2022 budget Um, say I talk it feels it seems rather like we may never end, you know, this borrowing trend You know, we won't end borrowing train because the mentality of the borrowers I once talked with the governor on a very sensitive topic, you know Long time ago or some time ago so that you don't place any administration And he said something that really really hit me hard and bothered me for a long time He said My brother that's what the person used to address me as my brother Let's leave this thing alone. No, I have less than four years to go When I leave others I don't want to start something that And and that is the mindset of the people in office They don't think of our future. No, they don't They think of the present And Nigerians are not helping matters We celebrate the bridges built. What did you do? Imagine a man who comes in and spends eight years laying foundation on education at the end of the eight years That foundation that he laid from day one because he was very focused He might not be credited with the bridges he built the roads he built How many Nigerians will come to a Hail him for laying a foundation for a sustainable future. Look at our world today Our world is celebrated on account of what he did on education That's why sometimes back I was talking to this man And I hope that he has a chance to really talk to Nigerians at the risk of seemingly talking about him This man in in in in Kano, Kwankwa. So The things he did in education were mind boggling, but who is talking about it? But we talk about the bridges. So I think that the media should actually come to set a new conversation on sustainable, you know, developments Look at the policies of every governor, rate them and see who is a here and now governor And who is a leader who thinks of the next generation and not a politician who thinks of the next election Can we come to Profile the activities of government and governors and dispensations and see who laid a foundation for a better state A better Nigeria and then hail people and encourage people to go foundational You know, you know, I'm an architect and there's a structure. I did in jabi My brother, we had about 52 piles What went into the ground was was was mind boggling, but nobody knows it All they see is the structure that is coming up But nobody talks about the foundation. Who is laying the foundation for Nigeria? And do we know that such a man might not have the super structure built All he will be able to do is build a foundation When he builds the foundation who has come to interrogate that the thinking pattern so that he'll be hailed for building the foundation And others held to make sure they build on that foundation the super structure and everybody that builds an extra floor Is hailed including the man that builds foundation It's a thinking pattern and process that we need to come to terms with as a nation for us to have sustainable development All right Now let's move away from there and then react to something that the nlc saying it's on the daily independent top right corner And it says that 10 percent of political class feasting on Nigeria's commonwealth and that's from the uh, Nigerian labor congress That's very very correct and we really don't seem to know what is going on what governance is all about I'll tell you this somebody says that um, you know, the the most Prosperous or not prosperous. That's not a good word that it reaches the wealthiest Nigerians and all politicians the civil servants Okay, and That is correct only to an extent in the sense that they are setting when we talk of juicy You know ministries and things like that. Those are doing the roads. Those are doing the capital projects now the same comes to politicians I had a very very heated debate You know just yesterday in my state When I asked somebody asked the question who owns the economy of a quite good state You'll be shocked to know that between the last dispensation and this one. We have spent close to eight trillion Naira in our state Which used to be at the state more than the national budget But where is it reflected? Can we really Find, you know, there's something that Madam Okunjo Iwala said She said she's speaking as a developmental economist That she's not been able to see 20 of What has been collected on ground in a certain state? Let me not be too specific She said she's speaking not just as a senior or minister of finance But as a developmental economist and that is what is going on in Nigeria setting Nigerians are he I don't know the word that they are stupendously rich They are they are they are they are in well they are well to the point of insanity Right, so that 10% as far as I'm concerned is a very generous. I'll say maybe 5% of Nigerians I'm really feasting. There are some people that don't know where to store dollars. I'm told It is speculated in this in this in this our same country. They don't know where to store dollars I'm not talking of Naira. It's all about dollars. So it is that that bad and then this government I feel very I hope there will be a day I'll actually Say what on my mind concerning mr. President because I didn't vote for him But I had a lot of Confidence in him as an individual I just thought that the work of the office was too overwhelming for him at this point of his age and them Health and all that but in terms of a person Nobody would have any any any any any question about his integrity to a great extent before now But as of today Let me reserve that for another day But what's going on in this government under his watch is is is is a sin. It's a crime It's it's almost unforgivable All right, and finally, I think we can wrap up talking about the pdp convention that says pdp convention mark Sarki reject party national chairmanship the of course Conversation has really been about, you know, you know who we eventually or if they will eventually pick a southern candidate For 2023 and of course that you know would come from Whoever it is that they pick for their you know as a party's chairman, you know That would give insights as to who the candidate would be Um to share your thoughts on, you know, where this is going or where this seems to be going You see there's something about the pdp that They have learned from apc when President gohari was chosen as a candidate of the apc. I had a lot of thoughts I remember one of my senator friends. I wish I could call his name We had a a hard talk in hilton for about two hours standing outside And at the end I said you went to king's college. I expect better from you It was a hard talk and he just said My brother, my brother, this is about winning a lecture This is about winning a lecture. Let's win first when we really know what to do pdp is also thinking that way All this issue of it's fair. It's not fair. It should be torn. It should be not pdp is not thinking that well Trust me. They are not They are just waiting for apc to say South or southwest or southeast and then they will go and do their maths and they're like What do we do to win? That is going to be the conversation of pdp this issue of because apc is is moral bound Moral bound and their own constitution bound to go south And they'll find it difficult to do otherwise But pdp can say, you know, all our candidates You know have been from south, you know So let us apart from yard work, you know a little bit for just a few a few months that um Opus and joe was south, you know, Jonathan was south All our candidates have been south. Why don't we also pick north? You understand me they can have that argument and they can if they have smart people They can they can actually push that narrative and then they look for one national that can get the 10 million that What hurry has been having? You know the whether it's mythical or Or real 10 million that I don't know So they don't look and then they put it in the pocket Put the south ways look for somebody to bag in and get and then come to southeast and get somebody like If I may call a name peter obu or mochanu You understand me to pay with the others and the maths looks good and they are in for for a ride the win election And then that is it an election is about numbers. It's not about sentiment So I think that we are yet to hear the last from bdp and if they are thinking like I think they are thinking They are still like flying kites here and there and distracting until when they can land strike But I hope that they they will go south as well So that the third force will now look for a nigerian and that will um, you know See the show Well, let quickly also This is not on the papers this morning, but I want you to share your thoughts on the Pandora papers if you've been following the Pandora papers discussion in the last few days and the you know releases that have been coming out What are your thoughts and what do you think this might achieve? As a nation, I doubt that it will achieve much You would realize that I have not been following your conversation, but Generally in the past Names have come out And nothing has happened For instance, you would realize that I think saaki has been there Desiani has been there in the past Our government don't think that way. That is why Even the sponsors of Boko Haram That the UAE Was able to say something about And people don't think that way They don't think governance They don't think patriotism They don't think essence. They think politics. Everything is our politics If there is just one person in the ruling party that is reflected there And it is public That person becomes the saving grace of everybody. They don't push everything under the carpet Because you're like, oh if you touch it, it will affect our election They just think about election. Election is what And I think the media really needs to come to enlighten us on what governance is all about It bothers me. So I don't think that You know, it would just be a media thing We'll talk about it and you know one of those talking points and then leave it and move on in Nigeria So you know, they will have All right, besides the hell yeah, I talk. Thank you so much for joining us this Thursday morning And of course, I wish you a very interesting day ahead Thank you sir Good morning once again Stay with us when we come back we'll take a you know a little bit back in history And of course we're going back to the end 1960 pretty short discussion on today in history Where Nigeria did join the United Nations I'll tell you a little bit about that when we come back from this break. Stay with us