 Hey, it's time for voiceover body shop tech talk number 65 Tech talk number 65. It's just piling up We'd love to have your questions you can throw them in the chat room in Facebook you can throw them in the chat room in YouTube you can also email them to us if you have a question that something comes up to you in the middle of the week and You can write to us at the guys at VOBS.TV But we love your questions, but we got lots to talk about tonight. Where do you find all this stuff? It's just piles up along with all my sources. Yes. Yes, you do I don't want to reveal all my sources and people won't watch my segment. Good point We got jerseys tech update. We're gonna talk about acoustics and we're gonna answer your questions all tonight On voiceover body shop tech talk coming up. Oh, no From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. They bring it to you now George Whitton the engineer to the VO stars of Virginia Tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain The professional VO studios of the biggest names in VO today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master professional voice talent with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional sounding home VO studio and Each week they allow you into their world making the complex simple Debunking the myths of what it takes to create great sounding audio Answering your questions showing you the latest and greatest in VO tech and having a dandy time doing it Welcome to voiceover body shop Tech talk Voiceover body shop tech talk is brought to you by voiceover essentials comm home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites comm where your VO website isn't a pain in the butt VO heroes comm become a hero to your clients with award-winning voice over training J. Michael Collins demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success And now live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Well, hi there, I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Whitton and this is voiceover body shop or VO B as tech talk tech talk tech talk Yes, we're here to talk about tech is It really tech them. I mean the stuff that you talk about is really techy, but you know having a home voiceover studio or Personal professional voiceover studio. Yeah, first then I had to change my website name and stuff But I shorten it to purse personal professional studio. Yeah, okay that works So many of you are podcasters now. Yeah, everybody's you mean yes. Yeah. Well, you know what it is Everybody can do a podcast doesn't mean everybody should that's right. That's right Anyway, but we can help you no matter what no matter what our job is to make sure that you sound Like you not like you in a bathroom or like you in a stadium in a stadium Or in the hall of mirrors and in Versailles or something like that And we'll talk about acoustics a little bit later on in the show, but Our job is to make sure that you sound That actually I guess the best way to describe it is that you don't have to worry about your sound And the only thing you have to worry about is being a good voice actor, right the performance, right? You know, you know, all you want to be able to do is hit record. That's what George and I do We get you set up. So that's all you got to do is hit record and you learn how to do editing and some of the other stuff But if you do it right up front, it saves you a lot of time and effort on the back end Yeah, would you rather be better at voice acting or editing? I Mean what is it? What's the part of your career? You're really focusing on right? You know, we want to make sure that all that stuff falls out of the way so you can focus on being an actual job Absolutely, and if you would like to work with mr Who can teach you how to do this or maintain your studio and get you up and running? Where would they go? Well, you head over to George the dot tech my name. It's my address Stole that from Robin safe and walnut in Philadelphia the diamond commercial back in but anyway That's where you find me and you can hire me on demand actually I've also got a team of others that can be made available if I'm not available Including this guy Yeah, you might actually work with Dan, too So that's all available for George the dot tech you can do on-demand support or you can do Offline support where you send me audio and I send back notes or settings or Presets or what have you but Dan also does a lot of similar things and his home on the web and that's Homevoiceoverstudio.com Check that out It's time to update the website a little bit but if you're just starting if you've got all your equipment if you're about to do your demo and you've got to do it Remotely and you want to make sure that you're sounding your best. That's happening a lot now. Absolutely. So come to me I will make sure that it's sounding good. I can teach you from you know from soup to nuts Whatever that means how to get it done properly from the beginning of the meal to the end I guess they used to eat nuts after the meal. Was that a thing? That might have been the only thing they had to eat anyway But go on over to Homevoiceoverstudio.com if you scroll to the very bottom of the page you will come across my specimen collection cup and That is a drop box click on that follow the instructions issue me some raw audio and Let me hear what it sounds like in your raw natural state voice-wise and I will give you a very thorough analysis of what's going on in your studio what you need to improve or if we need to have a much more Intent you know long conversation On on what you're doing Intensive yeah, sometimes I like to hear how people are processing their audio so I can go no Right. Yeah, that's not how you do that. Yeah. Anyway, so Check us out. I mean you're here. You listen to us every week anyway Well, we're doing this, but if you'd like to work with us personally We are more than happy to do that. So go on over to our websites and get in contact with Alrighty, what is up in George's tech toy update this week? Tech toy, you know, we end up with a lot of toys to talk about Well, I just came back from a few days of camping. I was van-lifing it in my Subaru Forester Which it's not not highly recommended. I can't even sit up in the back That's quite very big in but I needed a way to make sure that I was I knew I was gonna be you know, not What do you call it when you're camping? Primitive camping primitive. There was no power at the campsites So I needed a way to make sure I was always topped up And I didn't want to start my car and charge the battery All right, I needed a power station and I think we talked a little bit about this a couple of weeks ago Because we're talking about what to do with power outages and brownouts and this time of year right now We're actually having our Santa Ana wins But I think it's probably the biggest thing that knocks out power in LA is knocking down trees Well, we didn't have those thunderstorms last week. Oh, that was oh that was exciting Yeah, that was setting off car alarms in my neighborhood. That was excited Anyway, so I started doing a little research and I stumbled on one that was head and shoulders apparently above many and That is this guy right here. This is the eco flow river. Wow This is the base model they make some much much larger ones if you want to run like more of a house for a while But this is something that has a lot of uses now So clearly it's designed the idea behind this is something that's for portable use like right now I'm running my charging my phone It's not plugged in but I could be if I had a if you were and then I've got my MacBook Air actually charging directly off the front of it. You don't need a power adapter You can plug in there's a hundred watt output. So that's a lot of power that'll charge MacBook Pros anything right off USB-C. I don't know any other units out there that can do that. That's pretty awesome The reason why you say you're probably thinking well, I've got my little charger. Why don't I just use that? And the thing is anytime you have a transformer even a small one like this that you waste some Electricity some of it is lost in heat and whatever When you're charging the device right off of this port, it's more efficient. So the battery lasts longer So that's pretty awesome Then you've got 12 old outputs for different lights if you happen to have the right plugs It's got the standard 12 volt cigarette lighter plug It has a light which may seem silly But actually I found it really helpful when I was in my car And if you do need to use this in your home that light could be the only one that's handy So that's really cool that it's there it has More on this end. This is the wall. You didn't show me that this is the charging input side So this is where you plug in 110 your household And this is where you plug in your car 12 volt or a solar panel So charge from either one and what makes this different for most is this can charge from completely dead To totally full in an hour and a half off of your power plug at home Wow, it's really fast. Most of them are like eight hours So let's say you are traveling and you really need to have this ready You could go have dinner somewhere plug this in and when you come back, it's pretty much ready to go So that's pretty cool. And then this side is the 110 side Which it has three outlets to plug stuff into most of them done There's also buttons to turn on each section. So this this button here turns on just the inverter The inverter is what allows you to get a hundred and ten volts out of 12 or 48 or whatever the voltage of this battery And that's another very special thing about this unit. The inverter is very powerful It can put out 600 watts continuously, which would be enough to power anybody's recording studio Unless you have like a scooter 24 inch reel-to-reel, but you can do all that or it can run up to I think it's like 15 or 1800 watts for short bursts of time. So believe it or not, you could actually run a hairdryer on this for short little It's it's pretty insane. Yeah, it's bringing something along to dry your hair. Yeah, a little extreme. Okay, but here's the bonus But there's more but wait I wanted to make sure so I checked this out and I found out this can also act as a online UPS unit And what that means is you could leave this plugged in underneath your desk at home Into the wall battery bag and plug all of your gear like a UPS into this and this is always this is always running your equipment through the inverter So it's always stabilizing the power It's always perfect clean power no matter what and then that's keeping charged off of your wall outlet What is something like this run? It's not super cheap It was about 300 maybe a little bit more. I got it on a deal at an REI garage sale deal They these are the things you can get an REI but online I was just really impressed with the feature set and it works beautifully. So that's something that if you want to have Piece that you can leave at home under your desk always always ready to go be able to record no matter What's going on this thing does does the trick? It's impressive Moving in a different direction and you know Mac and you know Mike Mac and I When all you can Mac is that oh, what's that commercial came in when all you can pizza about is yeah when all you can sushi about When we can think about is Mac Then I love Mac, but Windows 11 did just come out last week now the news of that was a little overshadowed by the Facebook bombshell That came out on 60 minutes and then that's the one-two punch was which was the outage of Facebook and Instagram and what's all Here's something crazy. Did you know that this outage was so Pervasive that they had to break through the doors of the building to get in to actually access the equipment because even the key cards The access right building the 25 kilohertz proximity cards those those were even not work They had to use axes to get into their own building to reboot the servers or whatever I mean, imagine these these you know these young millennial kids who run your Facebook OMG Conspiracy theory that Leo Laporte did on Twitter, which was I thought it was Mark having a little tantrum thing fine You don't like Facebook. Well, let me show you what happens when you don't have Facebook everybody and then you flip the switch Didn't bother me at all It's the only guy got me because I was trying to what's that my girlfriend who is still in Iran She'll be back next weekend. Thankfully But I couldn't get a hold of her on what's that I was like, what's up? So I found out and it was the internet. So This news got overshadowed by far, but Windows 11 is out Windows hasn't had a new version in a really long time since Windows 10 and it's sort of a Kind of what I'm understanding a little bit of a dumbing down I might even call it dare. I say a little bit Mac Entosh E version of Windows. It's got a not as much setting ability and flexibility It's got a cleaner interface and it resembles a little bit more like the Mac OS The dock is in the center on the bottom. It's kind of fascinating. Anyway, how similar it is now Should you run out and install it? No Of course not It just came out give them some time. They are going to be in invariably be some bugs But not only that it's different enough that you might miss a few features that maybe you're accustomed to having That may not be there right now in Windows 11 So be aware of that But if you want to play around with it and you're a bit of a computer geek Well, if your computer geek you already aren't playing with it. Let's be fair. Let's face it So keep that in mind It's may not be ready for you in the voiceover world now a couple weeks ago I teased talking about the personas revelator IO 24 I have to say I did make use of it that whole week doing a lunder live appearance of podcast interview Several different productions and it performs beautifully it performed fell fall asleep So, you know, I've been been hard on personas because I never liked the audio box I thought it was noisy and I've had issues with various personas stuff over the years some mixers Well, you know, this is a new piece of gear Obviously a whole new set of firmware and a lot of new things going on and so far It seems to be working beautifully. So if you want to give it a try, they're only about $200 I mean give one a shot. I know how to configure it now I know how to set up the mixer the channel strip that it has on board Yes, it has a channel strip and it really does work. So I thought you guys should know it I've been having a good experience so far. Okay. Um, I've also noticed that a lot of premium gear makers Let's lump universal audio into that one because their stuff their audio interfaces started at $500 and went up, right? They're kind of going down market and they are wanting to be competitive now with the scarlets of the world to focus right stuff So now they're doing that and they have the volt line and So universal audio volt is their basic gear that doesn't require a complex console You don't have to understand how to do a lot of virtual sound drivers and simple USB. Yeah I believe it's a native USB class compliant. You just plug it in and go and So it starts out with the volt one at the very basic level and goes up to the volt 176 which is Taking the idea that they they're their legacy equipment like the 610 Mike preamp and the 1176 compressor Putting the essences of them into the interface and just having literally a single button to turn them on and turn them off So I'm seeing that more and more like the SSL has the 4k button, right? The focus right scarlet has the air button now again. Will you say it? We'll say it again. We'll say it again If it sounds good, don't turn it on like if if you have a good mic and good speech diction and everything sounds great It's not gonna help you But if you're trying to achieve something specific or do live casts or podcast Those little bits of sweetening might be helpful, but it's something that's built in another company also going down market I've noticed is Arturia. You've probably not heard of them unless you've been really geeking out about this stuff There's stuff for starting around 600 now. They're under now. They're at the under 200 Dollar mark for an interface. So this is a trend. I see and I'm sure this has been motivated by the pandemic I'm sure so many people are recording at home and need something far more simple to use Absolutely, I don't think it's about quality. Hopefully the quality is where it was But the simplicity, you know, no consoles to screw around with one button one knob does one thing But you have to know what it is that knob does Yeah, I mean, I assume people know that the first input knob on the left is the mic gain a lot of people don't know that And it's it's it's gain on there. Oh, what does that mean? You got to start somewhere. Absolutely Let's talk acoustics. Let's talk acoustics because Let's face it I think it's you know, there's a lot of things that people who are starting out don't understand and Perhaps they don't understand it because they don't know what it is. They're listening for it's hard to conceptualize. Maybe absolutely and The thing is is I you know, you and I get a lot of audio from people and they're like, how does it sound? It sounds like you're in an untreated room It sounds like you're using the wrong microphone to record the one in your laptop Yeah, or yes, or perhaps like this. It sounds like this. Why does it sound like that because you're talking into the back And alongside Boy, how many times do I get that? See if that's not a reason to start with a shotgun If you don't know which end of this mic, it's all good kind of help That's gonna help So I talk to people about acoustics because to me You know, we always talk about how what what are the my three keys to good audio? One is the acoustics of the room you recorded keeping noise at because it's part a and part b keeping noise out and preventing sound from Jumping around all over the room and coming back to your microphone shank You know, I think I actually used the word slap back with somebody yesterday and they're like What does that mean? And it's like, well, let's slap back is something you will get in a smaller booth Because it doesn't take long for sound to bounce back to the microphone So you if it's if it's you know, and we can measure it We we used to do a thing we we do a clap and then we would measure the nanoseconds between the clap And when it would dissipate In a bigger room, it sounds like a reverb It kind of goes in a small box. It just has this weird phasy nasal hollow tunnel sound right exactly So one of the things that we like to do is make sure that people's rooms sound right if your room sounds right That solves so many problems You know one you've got to have a quiet room and most people Don't know that they don't have a quiet room because They don't their brain has out processed all the noises from their house and their apartment and stuff like that And we hear it. We see it. I mean we look at it on a spectrum of what there's, you know There's a lot of rumble below 80 hertz with a lot of rumble at 125 hertz You know, what's going on is your effort the furnace on, you know, are you running a ceiling fan? You know, do you have your your your microphone, you know placed on top of your computer, you know things like that but You've got to have a very quiet room to start with And you don't know it because your brain tunes out the consistent sounds that are in there But this guy didn't have a brain And he hears everything or she hears everything or it hears everything All right, we'll go general neutral on the mics They hear everything. Yeah, they hear everything and the better the mic the more it hears So why people are like, I've got to have the best mic Well, do you have the best room to use that mic? Yeah, whereas I like to say if you get a Ferrari You really have to have a good garage for it. Uh, it's It's not the equipment It's how you use it and one of the most important things to use is a proper acoustical environment And that usually requires a set of method ears Somebody who is a third party an objective set of ears somebody who is not used to being in your house Or in your apartment or in your booth and we'll go I can hear this I can hear that I have a I had a lot of clients this week who were referred to me by somebody Because that person perceived problems that the other person Did not and this is stuff like on their website that you know in their demos It's like well, it sounds this it sounds tinny. It sounds that send it to me. Yes. Okay. Here's why And you know people are always like well if I just if I throw enough foam on the wall That'll soundproof it No foam is not soundproofing. It stuff is as transparent as tissue paper Uh sound goes right through it, but it won't bounce back. Yeah, it reduces the reflection Another thing I've been noticed just thinking about conceptually We you know the term computational photography. Have you heard these buzzword? Okay, you pick out your iPhone you hit the picture button and the picture looks usually pretty good, right? Right, it's exposed correctly. Right the color is pretty accurate, right, et cetera You know that even notice how we still don't have a microphone equivalent of that That we can really rely on for professional use right like in the world of audio We are still working like professional photographers have Forever, which is gotta have proper lighting Gotta know how to use the camera gotta know how to focus it Gotta know what um iso to use et cetera that the gain, right? All those things are still part and parcel to having a professional Studio you still there's no microphone equivalent to an iphone camera, you know We don't it's that may come later. Well, there's the effigy hype has that sort of they're getting there's more and more Or whatever you want to call it in the microphone But still we are using gear that's based on 80 to 90 year old technology And you still have to have all good room and acoustics is where that's gonna happen It's got to be done, right, right so Send in your audio so we can hear it so we can say that either sounds great or It's it's a little too reflective or it's too dead. We get rooms that are way too dead. It happens Yeah, and uh, they end up sounding sometimes muddy Yeah, or they'll be really dead in like the mid-range, but not at the low end So they're kind of woofy and boomy You know, so you got to control the whole sound spectrum Not just the middle or the top right and it depends on the size of the room you're in right, you know You know, I I was able to give somebody some room dividers this week. She's got a very small apartment Like what kind of like the for privacy screens. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, which are great because You can throw a couple of moving blankets on that Yeah, them on and you talk to that not to the back wall Right and out to the room. So the microphone is facing the quiet part the quiet part of the room Yeah, away from there's a really good tip right there kids So, uh, you know and that and that will give you the The non reflections, you know think but you've got to have a quiet room And that usually takes a third party to determine whether it's quiet or not And if it's not what what is it that's being heard so we can deal with it so you can turn it off It's my neighbor's air conditioner. That's what rocks are for Anyway You might need to explain more about the rocks later. Yeah, no There was a one guy called me. He says, you know, what do I do about all the birds outside my window? That's what shotguns are for Not I am not advocating violence against birds. 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I mean, of course it's not they've been supporting us Which is one reason But uh, they've been producing tools to remotely collaborate long before the pandemic To allow studios to record voice actors around the world and basically make it feel to the production and sometimes more importantly really to the client like actually everybody's in the same place at the same time And one thing that they do that is unique is they record or buffer Your audio the talent audio on the talent computer, but completely behind the scenes It's called the q manager Now what blows my mind is so many productions haven't made use of this. I'm hearing of it being used more now It's been around for years But the thing that's amazing is it will replace dropouts in the audio For the production Yeah in pro tools. So, um, it's it's a really cool thing not only that But it can also replace the audio. 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He's doing the question so he can throw it in the top He says regarding the personas revelator io 24 that used in the vanguard review Yeah, that's right. I did a review for the vanguard v4 mic I I mentioned that but you can go find and you did it on the roll a bit revelator That's right. I used it on the revelator. So if you want to see that go to george the tech youtube Did you figure out why it was higher in one channel when you turned off? You're very you're a very you really pay a lot of attention. Jeff You really really pay attention to details Did you figure out why there was a little bit higher level in the left channel when I turned off the processing? No, I did not actually I had I've been using it so much and I have the processing on I just I haven't troubleshooted it yet, but jeff that is on my I need to do that Obviously, I will open a ticket with personas Maybe it's a firmware thing I I have to think it is Would you recommend it for vio actors who don't stream or podcast but may live close to fan eyes airport? Anybody you know jeff? Yeah, because you can set a high pass filter precisely you can get exactly the frequency you want and it's just dialed in permanently So I think that's really really helpful if you let's say have like a Neighbors air conditioner or pool pump that's humming at 120 Hertz You can make a very cleverly set ecu To try to scoop that out. So yeah, I would recommend it for that. I think so um And he says it seems like an inexpensive Inexpensive version of an Apollo or a roadcaster. Yes, totally true. I think it fulfills Pretty much everything an actor could possibly need Without the external without the extra cost and the extra complexity And features that the roadcaster and the Apollo have it's It's like those two made it made a new product Without the extraneous stuff and boiled it down to what you need and I I'm really I'm really impressed I think I've said enough about that cool Grace newton asks I am finally ready to take the leap from pc to max Hey Thank you. Thank you very much This check is in the mail. Yes George George you recommended a laptop to me a few weeks back But you've mentioned they were we are all still working out some there. They're still working out some kinks with the m1 chip What's the latest on the mac laptop? There it is right there. Uh, I do use my macbook air M1 with a cute little cover very nicely. Um, this is really my girlfriend's computer I need to find another one soon because I have co-opted it. Um I am a massive fan of it. This computer has been nearly flawlessly the flawless The only idiosyncrasy of it is if I sleep it for a while And then open it up after maybe a day or two. It's a little bit like That's the rubber size and it's real slow and weird and and then it's and then it's like, okay Must have tubes in it or something. It's really weird. I don't know why it doesn't it happens Sometimes I'll just quit chrome and safari start them again. That's the only funky thing about it Otherwise it has been a great great experience now outside the m1 mac mini Dan has as well and yeah, we've had some issues But most of those issues were software related not, you know things not being supported quite yet I had an issue with the usb hub Which I pulled out of my system and now everything's great. So It's it's growing pains of new technology, but we are now at a full year Since those were launched and um, they're very mature now. They're releasing the next generation any day probably the next couple of weeks And so I don't think there's any reason to hesitate at this point all the Software manufacturers hardware gear hardware stuff that we would all probably use mostly is supported As always if you're really worried talk to one of us have a little session We'll review everything you're using with hardware software and make sure that you're not going to have any Frustration going to the new system, but uh, yeah Fanless it doesn't make any It's quiet. Listen. How does it do that? It doesn't make any sound. There's no fan in here Yeah, no, I like I like the m1 that I you know the mac mini because It's always I don't think I've turned it off. I mean no drama. Yeah, it's no drama It it's quiet. It works, but like any mac you plug it in and it works You know pcs are just you know, are they getting better? I think there'll always be pcs I mean microsoft just came out with some new computers that are compelling They have a the surface book studio where the screen can like pivot outward And like be like an easel, you know, it's very clever. It'll it'll fold flat and turn into a top You know has some party tricks But that's not what you get a laptop for No, I guess if you're doing a lot of presentations or something maybe that's why I don't know anyway We are kind of biased of course, um, but we've had a very good that's very good experience. Yeah, we like our Macs. Um Also, yes Linda Joyce minor. Yes question off of youtube. We're glad you guys are watching on youtube Um, I know it's not the mic that makes the voice, but I have been told how many times we've heard that phrase. I have been told I need a mic for a female voice Seriously help every time I see the I heard from or I was told that or I overheard somebody Nobody ever has any more detail like who was this? How are they qualified to give you this information? What are they exactly talking? So all I can imagine is that they think that the mic that you have maybe picks up too much of something They don't like to hear maybe it's sibilants That's probably that's probably the you know, it's almost sexist to say it but women tend to have a little bit more sibilants than men or They do have the sibilants. They both have sibilants, but it might be in a higher frequency Yeah, you know So maybe that's what they're hearing and they're saying you need a mic that has less of that But they're doing a lousy job of explaining this advice Yeah, I think that's and that's the key to when you crowdsource your home studio Is that people are people are happy to give their advice? I mean you go on facebook and somebody says a question and 72 comments later And and that's when you and I will come in and go what on earth is going on in here and people are just throwing out It's not all this is the best one. I've used this the best way Every voice is different every room is different And there isn't an engineer out there that can tell what microphone you know And there's also not a lot of coaches or agents That also know what they're talking about when it comes to giving the correct device They know what they've been told works well Or they know what their top selling voice talent in their roster might be using And it doesn't mean anything about what you're doing. But why is it that that's good and how do you it's not the stuff It's how you use it you can take a great mic and it'll make you sound like crap if you Sound like crap, you know if you're in you know the hall of mirrors at Versailles Take that advice with a grain of salt and bring that advice to one of us to to really dig into it and find out what What's really going on? Absolutely Jay Horace will actually get that one. Sure Uh Hey, hey, great to see everyone healthy and well. Thank you. We are doing very well tech talk number 65 um Recently I ordered the biodynamic dt 770s or 770 770 80 ohm headphones Um, and that's what I happen to use at home. That's my daily drivers After a few days, I sent them back as I like the harlin hogan cans much better. Well, that's good Um, I find them lighter a night and day difference to my ears Have you found this to be true when using the two or should I have given the tg 770 froze more time to burn in? um I don't think the dg 70s need a bunch of burn in time. By the way, what is burn in time? That means that's time that you have your it's the iPad doing that um, that's the time that the Device needs to like earphones. They say sometimes need this. They need to be exercised for a while They have loud blast to let them yeah, they need to flap around for a while until they become loosened and Um, I don't know if that's true But I've I've known plenty of people that got the 770s and thought they were too something too bassy or Too dark not as bright Whatever it is they're not for everybody and I don't think they're really great for voice actors They're great for producers and listening for monitoring and mixing But when you wear those while your voice acting, I think they're too They're just I don't know what it is they They're too muffled sounding, you know, so I can see why you might like those. I'm wearing them right now Actually, I'm reminding myself what these sound like and the signature of these is very nice. They're not overly bright No, they're comfortable. It's a flat response. Yeah, they're pretty flat I mean everybody tries to do what they call flat They're all a little bit different But these to me have a nice pleasing Tonal characteristics to me. They're similar to the audio technique of headphones That I also love and I've been using forever. Mine are laying around here somewhere But I they they are really quite nice. So yeah, you have to use those headphones. Whatever they're going to be Um, sometimes for a while to really know if you'll like them or not But when you put them on and you like them immediately, I guess Harlan did something right Yeah, well, I he put a lot of research into them. I mean those are and these are not the first generation either No, no, this is after a total revision and revamp. Yeah, I mean, we're running the spot today for for his headphones and they're they're They're really good. I mean when I need headphones, that's what I wear when I'm doing a remote session. That's what I wear Generally, I I listen on studio monitors when I'm editing. Yeah, but if You know, I need to you know when we're doing You know, we're doing this show sometimes I've got to do that I've got to listen on on headphones. Those are the ones I'm trying to do that more at home I don't have a listening environment per se for monitoring But I do have some really great studio monitors and I'm listening to them more and more and getting more into that All right, so Trisha Andrea. How you doing? Uh question. So I have too many closets in a in a bedroom too many closets Why would someone put too many closets in a bedroom? Well, if it's a master bedroom one guy the the guy gets I'm guessing it's an older house. That's yeah. It is. Um Do you recommend I make one of those closets furthest from the window a whisper type room? Well, you can go and you can whisper in there all you want Or forget about it and just treat the whole room acoustically This is a room I will dedicate fully for voiceover. Uh-huh So how big is the room should I be in a bedroom or a full-size room or should I shove myself into a closet question? Right I would I would always err on the bigger room because you have a little bit more control Uh, you can reduce the acoustical size of a room by putting up a room divider That's right. If you can't make a small room sound like a much bigger room, right, uh, so yeah As long as you treat it right And don't talk out into you know into where it's going to reflect back a lot Uh, a bigger room is I know you prefer a bigger room. I totally What's the so so obviously why don't we always do why are we using closets? Anyway, people go into closets because it's the only way they can get away from noise Yeah, they do that is yeah another barricade to noise That is to me literally the only reason to go into a closet and record voiceover There's no other acoustical reason to ever want to be in a small box. So Right, um, but a walk-in closet full of clothes kicks butt. Yeah walk every time something pretty decent size Sounds much better. Absolutely. Can you imagine if you were to get a Well studio bricks, for example, that was like four by six feet Now imagine taking taking two walls of the booth and hanging clothing on it You know like clothing racks now imagine the remaining space Inside where you're standing That's a walk-in closet. It sounds incredible. Yeah, but you would just never do that in the real world. It would be it'd be ridiculous Well, I've I've done it plenty of times with people, you know Have you had people did you have you had them hang clothes in their whisper rooms? No, have you done that? Okay, that's that's the next well. No, I mean, yeah, sometimes they do I mean they might you have a nice big down jacket or something like that You can have that's true. I mean, that's not a bad way to do that Yeah, but you know, but a walk-in closet just rocks and there's many times that I've you know I'm like, do you have a walk-in closet? Oh, yeah, is it full of clothes? Yeah, great. I just saved you $6,000 Or more or more. Yeah, depending on on what you get Uh Rob writer All right, he says I've watched you both for some time. Yes, you have he is a fan. Thank you, Rob. You're you're the man Um with all the advantages of a shotgun mic Why dan do you use a large diaphragm condenser? I'm assuming you're thinking about what you're seeing right now. Let's do on the show. Yeah, this is my microphone. That's in my boat Yeah, uh, I you know I use different mics for different things, but when I'm doing something specifically for a client I'm either I'm either at my desk. I'm getting real lazy, but the acoustics in here are so good We have this room dialed. Yeah, this Dan can sit out here Or in his ISO booth. He's got the best of both worlds right with this. Yeah, so, you know my desk I've got a custom-made large diaphragm mic in my booth. I've got the 416 on sometimes I drag the 416 out here Uh, like when we do voiceover body shop and I want George to sound his best and not talking like he's on the radio on his When I'm at home my mic's like right here. Yeah, mobile. Yeah, I mean if I wasn't radio I'd still be doing that but voiceover is different. We don't talk half an inch from somebody's eardrum Uh, anyway, uh, so I like the large diaphragm condensers for the reasons that They're very sensitive. They pick up, you know, the subtleties of my voice and I've got a room that I can use one Yeah, plus when we do the show We like to show both mics and we like to show our sponsors mic too. So there's a couple things going on there And and do we sound different on these? You can hear us both clearly Yeah, mic technique is a little harder for dan because it we don't want it in the camera like too much in the In the frame, you know So that's you know, and I think I might you might notice I'm always a little bit tweaking my mic placement Because we want to face each other, but we don't want our mics to pick each other up at the same time And so it's a challenge using two condenser mics right next to each other, but that's why we do it We like a challenge. Yeah Last question maybe uh from Dave rosa, which Digital audio workstation. Do you prefer? Well, i'm an adobe audition guy That's we had a great that's your primary one. Yeah, we had a great webinar last week. I teach people how to use adobe audition Uh, it to me. It's the only software that's really designed for voiceover Uh along with twisted wave, which is of course a lot less complex and easy to use Uh twisted wave is like simple adobe audition Maybe he could say that. Yeah, what doesn't yeah, it doesn't have the bells and whistles that audition has The thing about a digital audio workstation is it's not they don't sound Inherently different when you record raw it's going to pick up the same sounds from your studio as anywhere as anything else It's what you can do to manipulate it afterwards that makes software You know different from each other, you know pro tools is for you know for making 80 tracks of the of a you know a rap album Or doing music tracks or or tracks for a movie or something like that where you've got to do a lot of mixing As voice actors, we're giving people single track mono properly modulated files And that's it. So what do you need all this other stuff for? Well, I gotta sound great Well, we don't talk to people through processing You know processing, you know and george will will it'll show you all this and do stacks for you That are just minor little corrections to the room perhaps um You know a lot of people are relying on You know noise reduction stuff the noise reduction stuff is getting better But it was never designed for voiceover And if you don't use it right, you'll see why it's not good for voiceover. You can overcook it so bad And then it sounds way worse. Yeah So, uh, I I prefer I prefer the uh adobe audition. I do use twisted wave, but You know, but I you know, we teach people audacity because it's free Um, everybody uses audacity, you know, but you could step up to something like adobe audition Once you understand the concept behind it as a you know a general single track and multitrack recording Software and the fact that it is so easy to use. It's like using photoshop for audio I definitely There's two you can either get a demo of it and try it for 30 days for free Or you can take a class and watch a webinar I have I've got the beginner one and a more advanced one on our on george the tech website And and then get a primer on like what you're what you're getting into right before you make a leap from audacity Because the thing that most people move from Is audacity, right? You know, that's most people are going to probably start with audacity Unless they're one of my clients and they're on a mac then they're going to be starting on twisted wave So it just depends now. He said his other part was asking about the holland hogan mic We talked a little about a little bit. Yeah with the vo1a. I it's what is there to say? Well, how do I sound on it? Do I sound like crap on it? No, I sound like me Which is the idea the idea of a home voiceover studio is not to sound great It's to sound like you I'm going to swing this cool I'm getting a little double like I can hear you on this so Okay, so now you're hearing me, you know the way you're supposed to approach this mic in the way way it sounds It's been designed by harlin to sound a certain way, but I have found it works great on anyone's voice Fine on women's voices. I've never heard it be sibilant Uh, if you use it properly get the right height And your copy's down here and you're talking, you know depending on the size of the room either, you know Now I've got it down to mahalo fist or partial mahalo or thumbs up Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and and you have to find the sweet spot on the mic for your particular voice And I mean what's great about this room is you really can be a decent distance away I mean you can you can be a foot away because we have a high ceiling room With really great acoustics right and the better your acoustics and the higher the ceiling the more Wiggle room you have on you can be a lot farther It's so awesome not having to be a fists away Which is what I make a lot of people do when they're in their little closets, you know what I mean So there's so much more flexibility Yeah, it's a as soon as I pull this mic away and I get to hear you without without that. Yeah It's like oh, yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a great little mic It is and so and and the fact is it's a great mic at a great price point Yeah, so you can get you can get a good super professional sound Which is just you If you're I have a good professional sound yourself This thing will capture you as you exist, which is the way Harlan designed it. So that's the idea So he gets two spots tonight He's been with us since day one he had the ugly early days of ewebs And he's stuck with this for some reason. Anyway, all righty. Well, uh, thanks for all the questions We love it. This is why we do what we do and why we keep showing up every week You know, otherwise life would be pretty dull Uh, so say, you know, and you can still send in your questions if you write to us at the guys at vbs.tv And if you got a question send it in we will use it on our show. So anyway So that's uh tech talk, but uh, we still got a little bit to cover in just a minute So don't go away. 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That's true Next week on this show we have another fabulous interview with another fabulous voiceover personality I got a couple of people in mind and they're We i'm waiting for them to get it's the busy season. It is it's people are pretty busy right now You know the the christmas commercials are being done now and the the commiss the christmas commercials are being aired right now That's true. The tech industry is telling everybody to go christmas shopping now. Yeah. Oh my gosh Who are our donors this week? Oh, yes, shall we tag team the names again? Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Uh, jill goldman rob rider patti gibbons atlanta productions michelle blanker christopher epperson Uh sandra man willer philips appear tray moseley thomas pinto Greg thomas shonan pennington baird martha con don griffin steven chandler robert ledon michael curns and Graham spicy. I was doing my best like, uh, award show announcer name Did I nail it? You're learning you're hanging around with enough voice actors. You're starting to pick it up 10 years you've been doing just imitating i'm not i'm not doing it People should watch episodes one and five of ewabs and to see how you've improved not to mention gotten a lot smaller Uh, no Thank you. I appreciate it. No problem Again, if you need help with your home studio and you want to work with george, you go to george d.tech and to work with dan you go to homevoiceoverstudio.com looking forward to your call Anyway, uh, thanks to our sponsors harlan hogan's voiceover essentials voiceover extra source elements viewheroes.com voice actor websites.com and jmz Demo Thanks for jeff holman getting those questions in and being sharp as attack jeff While pursuing his amazing acting career. Can't wait to see the stuff easy. I know he's gonna have to show it to us Uh, and uh, sumer lino for doing it remotely Hi sue And uh, and and lee pennies simply for being lee pennie. I don't know. I know we come visitors for crying out loud Anyway, that's gonna do it for us this week You know getting your audio right If you don't really know what you don't know It's time to talk to somebody who actually does and that would be us two It's time to take charge of your voice acting. Oh very good Anyway, the thing is if we hear it and it sounds good, it is good. I'm dan lennon I'm george wittem, and this is voiceover body shot or vio b s See you next week