 आई सु जोनिगा और ब्रन्द नुई अपसोर अप फोट्वेंटी ग्राम्स मैं और सिदान्त आज दो किरदार नहीं इस नहीं अपसोर नहीं अपक्त हमारा चार किरदार है अन विल ब्रिंगें तुई उं तुब पार्ट्स हम भात किस भीद की किस चीज की कर रहें बे तोक यह ज़ा अपना तु नहीं कोच आता है एस तो बी गयता है में एको प्लेर एब पिन्देन उरजन दों क्योंकि मैं पार सब जाड़ा आदा श्टाएकर वाएकर है नहीं आए बहार ब बल़गगों खेलने को मिल रहां सीं क्या है और इसके लिए जो होना चीए या सिर्फ अगर फुट्बाल के पस्पक्तिच देखा जाए तो जो होना चीए और वाईटर जो कन्ट्री के लिए इंप्लिकेशन्त है because of labour law वो सब उस, हम वाईटर चकर में अभी नी पर रहे है माचल, the reason we got in touch was because once again, after a 5 year cycle, the Blair Winden origin debate has come up for discussion, and it keeps coming up. Like we know people who are part of the show and have been following in input while they are saying it comes up pretty much every 5 years, a new coach comes in he sees he doesn't have striking options he doesn't have an habit goalscorer so he says why can't I tap onto that huge Indian diaspora outside playing in Europe and so on. after the change PROIsers try to play for india and the nation will climb up the FIFA rankings and 9 years on and we are in the same situation Had every coach that comes in they think India has become a good football nation. They have a lot of people and a lot of population and people playing sports again. And then they realised that the time didn't have enough. So then they change to what they are doing now where they're trying to get the government and the ministers  कि अगी कर के साभग, नहीं आपार, अगी कर क्या की अगी अग क्या के साभग अरेएअ पहुड़ के रहा है? If they want football to grow, IMG , AIFF, there wont change the rule. यक अविंडिएखान और ड़ाज़ाद है. अगर इसा आरहांगी आपकोसालागा। शरकन और वगाड़ाद बजोगा ना करी खौगा। ज़ाग़ी विस्थाना और क्या ही सकती है। हो आका आअसा गमा जर नहीं तीन के तो और लिएं। अगर, आध्ञ, उजा गाजा तुद है? है, आधजा तुद आधजा तुद मगतis, आधजा, ऐस शुक्ड़ें। बेए आधचा कोग में बुरेटाना के तुछद मैं करना, शुड़ेंक देखा तुद, जब आधचा थी वी कछतें कचागाजा Drive. कि Austanasian team الثążी खीडर मब उआई सिमठgebautा हम'd की ख visas चीडीर मैच में बाँडिली जै मेच मरन स्वाए Religional football match पाड़ीरPNव एक दीद खोजँ कीड्टत коछता की की वो पच dissolved रव आज हैक, की आज बनाी की चीना नहीं, दीख ईत हैं आचागे शाधवां, और श़वास के आप में ब्जादी ड़्शाशाद की आप, और उस में लिग, पन चाहँाचावाचा कोम आग आप मैज बचाख़े दे है, और में फीगा विलसए मिए आश्चादे वोँ, आप सिक प्रम्याःी के लीक है. को नहुंको लेँटा शान्बाश की कोंगे है. तो बोत हो भी उपन muito अंगे येटा का तुठी. को नहुं के भी बोत भी तुठी के. पक बोत भी पाच की का वो येटा इस्छागे है. असे ज़ोज़ ग़ोड़ा से, черम एक वonos थी abig और त fingernail थब चुथगखा doses शकी ता मिलसबी फिंस ने में आप टब अल तो ही ज़े, �之後 still say the question why time is football only as big as cricket in India? मैखले सु अगना बहुत जोडर न है तो मुझे लिजन को, लेर भाक वागटी करस करईं भर अगन भी आप भगी आप वो, because right now whenever you talk to the Federation anyone running football in this country saying it's a government decision. मैं, if I had the chance to play for India then it would be massive for the nation and the players. And they welcome me with open arms and I'm talking about. the amount of these things in your Sunil chat trees. Who were just young boys? Do you know what I mean? Things like that. They've got pictures of me and Sunil and stuff like that. And you look back and you'll think wow look, how young we both look! If only the rules had changed. तरहवाना term औरने के ल़ड़कбए है बारग Sense य numerator य concerned आimeters आमुचिं ये हो तरहऋष में 돼 beeps और रप मैं दिन है不用 पका � listen अंक्हाद र�頂 ख़ी मैखडर из-sню और तेद Work मैं and why should they have to look at it like myself, if they didn't welcome me. Why would they need a Michael Chopra that they played for England in the 16s up to the 21s for them to come, because he is not good enough for the England national team? Why should we have him coming into our Indian setup and and things like that? Look it's not for him, we are not going to go there like this. We are going to go straight to the focus. ही आष्वी उअल हकल नी गडवात है अआशत्कों नी कचवठाजीत है आश हूँ Wear , food ho Jun नमस औब शुब आजु, देवां, उए आश्वी तुकषिicitत हचे, आस्वी बो गतु, में में ला। भो आश्वत की तगाed बैगन ओछ वी थीस औिक, होत elsewhere diameter as ajustvial I F leaders then making possible change. But this bk. Yeah actually the reason this whole PIO debate started is because the coach eventually went into the federation that I don't have striking tutorial options Corrective options injections or your top players or not getting more than 18 20 games in an entire season. So this neatly to start looking outside well but then the one argument that's always given is if you open it up जी नोंगांगिएकिन्ताल आआआँ असकी मेर्गी कि और अगा ख़म्डिज़ी बन ग़ा है 사랑ा लीगाना जी असकी लिएकिनाई कि और आच्चाता भी तोओगा ख़िएकी स्ऊश्वादाई कि आशदागी एक जाएकी हुएकी कि Farah ॐए तोल्मारु ब्रोगा। लेई तो ओई भे थिदिजी काुडि कैजी स्था ही और शु नहों के भी तो इंड़बी करैए अपने आप स्च्छा ऻो दोन गई आप च्च्चछ़ा तुछब अल्चे न में च्च्छा क्चछ़ा रादे लएका है, इत आप आब आज कोई ईमगा। नहींमोंगर कोगगगग था और और अगगग, आषताग, गगगगगी, आप दो फ्लाए थि और अगगग यीगा, आप आप उभी गीग ज़ूए, और मैं जिली आपी की ईगा तो इस नहींखाजा को ऱसे्दांगा दो गब नहींगी आपी आक़ेद आपी पास्पोड आपी दोगमोंग क्या देखते ती प्रप्रत है wells i go back to last time i played in India was in 2016 i think and i that was 90% done on giving up my English passport and getting an Indian passport शात्युोंई स्वाँम्तेदा जब लीएगे अगा से शयश्चा फ़ें वहले लेके का आऽ छाए at shashin in their team trying to force me the passport through. वहाँ वुष्वुन और वे लिएव तोन्च्छी बारे और वुष्वाँम. बाध्या, मुझा, आगि, प्रहशादाते है। आप नद चुलब प्रहता हो, मैंजा गाूगा, ओब फ़ुम, गया, भी और जागा Param, इसा दूजते परजान, जाबोवें बाधे बनजा क्या, इस वों, अप दोगले ऑाई मदिवाए, टोंगा कर्दा वो चाहा, इसकी लिए बी और नेकि Yoshimi-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2, कि वो जए लग्वा छत्रेडि, अग फ । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । । यह तेल्वन वो जाएँ ख़ाना जाएँ छ़ाँ जाँगो आपुड़ा पीजी तेदा, आप वो च्छानी च्छाँगा आप वो आप ढ़ाँगे ख़ाँखाँगै बगुड़ा जी बगर विशाँज अप च्छानी विश्टा है यह तुगाँगे थे आप देश होता वो � quand it will serve both Indian Contact Clubs as well as the national team in future What is the perspective that they bring into it and they locate it from So eventually the domestic structure will also have to catch up to what is happening in leagues abroad. you'll never be able either create enough players who have Indian Passports that are playing for big clubs nor will you be able to attract foreign players than either play in clubs in India or even represent the national team if that becomes a possibility right so these are issues but apart from that lets figure some of the perception issues also if any foreign player are coming like zlata and suddenly is playing for India what kind of impact does that have on the 20 other guys already in the camp व्ई मतगीर है, मारदिल चुआप्रा सinkuथी जाछा, दो व inherited दो य hyung6 लेक, बभािक trash with वैगा लोगा, तो सी, य चिल्ग, बहूँ, बंग ल्पत, ठोवक आ論ा, उखॉ�izes, आप आप अग裝ी. आप थुन बाग आज़ Woche. अपकपा्स इंद्यन ताइस्पो़र के ख्लाडी है। अगर बेटर ट्रेंट। आप की लिए त्रेनग क्रहा है। तो फिर आज़़ होँ सभते है कि यह मतब इंद्यन ताइस्पोरर के यह गरा के ख्लाडी आसेद इस जो जो एक मप्लडके है फिर क्या होगा अन्त्तेंगाउ नहींटान लगावे नहीं खोगे की नसल्जी धावसी कि नहींथा ज्समरो आप में नधान र्बैजा अब प्पालने तो खूँड़्वाद के धेखाजा है दो पोस्एभेगे लोके लगाइं दीश्किलना भी आश्फ़ोगे रेद है for a specific purpose which is to help the club win. And help the wider ecosystem of the club develop like you're saying. So it's not that foreign players when you are in club, then don't know of course that's the way. First and foremost, if you don't have a good sense of the fuckeding up approach or your life change, बाते हैं। उंसे कोई बात नहीं इता है क्योंछे किसी हिंडॉंँगन प्लर की नाकरी लेली है मुझे अगर उपलेर अच्छा हूँ उत्से आप कुट सीखें हैं गऱैषिं। क्योंगा हो का इंपॉझूंस होगा लीड़ुष्य्प् रोल या जोभी है same thing applies to the national team like you are saying if you look at many sides across the top teams in the world especially South American sides you will find that over many years most of the players come from clubs that are based in Europe so this is essentially an extension of that concept where while your footballers may or may not have talent they are learning from the coaching system, the competitive system etc etc that is in the most developed football countries now unfortunately with India there is a double sided problem today we are not either good enough to send our players abroad nor are we attractive enough or nor is it possible actually because of the rule for foreign players to come and play for India so we are a little upset from both sides yeah I can understand because we are in the process of building our own players from the academy yes but then if there are one or two players who are really good I think like I said they should be allowed it will only help but not I think they are cutting down on the ISL player also I think that is what everyone is saying I don't know if both the parties are going to agree but then if they cut down on the players then it will only help Indian players to play more matches but here for the national team I think it is a little different if this one or two good players can come in and help I think it will be a great thing for football Rangdi bhai ISL ka doh bada nahi iLeague ka doh confirm hoge hain aur ek cheez hai ki Delhi mein Chhatalpur ek area jaan sa dhan toh raita hain daa ke kaafi kude hain ki 3 plus 1 pe baapis aage hain hain baapis hain I think it is a good news for the Indian players I think 5 was little too much of course yes every club wants to win I can understand but if you have to think a long term I think Indian players have to come in they have to play every match abhi aap ISL mein khel rahe iLeague mein khel rahe agar aap benchmark hega salwar than when he is going to improve so I think it is a 3 ek sabar pushne hai because you played for so long and you have such a long history with the national team in your times and I am not talking about Michael Chopra how many times have player of Indian origins come to a camp and have they been good enough have they not been good enough to give us a few examples Michael Chopra was the only one I think in our time I think Shukhi Sargarh time when no one was there Shukhi Sargarh time mein because one player when Contestine was there he came for the training he came for the trial he came for the 2 weeks training but then honestly he wasn't as good as Michael Chopra or anyone so then you see just because Indian origin kele Bhulakej abhujasti khel rahe I think that's not right but he has the players who we are bringing in has to be better than Indian current Indian players so I think in my 12 years I think the chances for signing was only Michael Chopra other than that they were I think they were talks that Harmeet Singh who from playing for Norway Harmeet Singh Harmeet Singh but then I don't know if he wasn't ready I think he was playing for Norway then but I don't know if he was ready but in last few months I have read that he is ready to come and play in India but in his prime he was not ready to understand who will want to come and play for India in his prime even Michael Chopra the same but Michael Chopra 2008-9 he was still good he was saying when we were talking to him that at that time he was at Cardiff and scoring a lot of goals so in terms of if you just look at the level of club football at that time they outlaw they cured over the international we and you didn't have that competitive environment in India so obviously he would have probably fit into the squad plus the coach at that time Bob Hardin was an English coach like daily English and therefore the philosophy with which they might have grown up would be similar he would understand and what all he brings to the system but end of the day we are still doing it but the practical element is that a player has to give up his passport to play for India which is the rule currently that's what gets in the way do you think that given this anyone obviously the prime he will play for England or Norway or Denmark like we were talking about New Taylor right yeah i can understand brother abjo bhol rai in their prime they were not won even Michael Chopra when we played under 20 he was waiting for the senior so he wasn't ready to come i totally understand as a player but after that when he didn't get a chance for the senior team and then that's the time he will still be good even if you don't get a chance for the English team he would have helped but the good example is Arata Arata has given his passport and then he played for India when Wim Coleman was the coach i don't think many will do it but there are people who are ready to do it so there was one player here in in Meroka he played for 2 years Williams he has been trying to get up Indian passport because his mom is an Indian so he tried his best for many many months he was trying good player so basically even if you are ready to let go of your past he tried his best for many many months he was trying even if you are ready to let go of your passport and you are ready to take up Indian citizenship even then it is very difficult because Archan who is sitting in Europe he is sitting in Danny Bath he doesn't want to give up his passport but if you want to give up your passport even then it is difficult even then it is difficult because again you have to fulfill the criteria like Chopra was saying that you have to live in 5 years you have to live in India you have to collect taxes etc there are many rules and regulations which is very very difficult like Pandit said some people are not ready to give up the passport but here 1 or 2 players or 3 players are ready to give up their passport like Arata did and still finding it difficult this is what we talked about when you call player of Indian origin will your only criteria be that he must be better than the other player in the Indian team or because he is coming from outside then it should be a cap let's say played the Premier League played in the championship played in the league only that sort of player you will want or you will be ready to attract any player coming from any level of Europe because he has played in his prime after 5-6 years he is not playing this game and just signing in his name that's wrong and if you keep a cap then you are a very good player who can easily fit in the Indian team but he doesn't play in the same level and I think coach should see if he is good enough or if he is better call him for a training for 2 weeks, 3 weeks, a month and see how good he is is he better than only but if he plays in the same club and we don't know if he is still good or not good so current performance on that if you are a coach if you want to call a PIO then which is the position you would really look for striker so now as we all know that Indian striker will be missing here because Indian striker hardly get a chance to play or Indian striker even though Indian striker is also one it's a we need we have already spoken about this so it's not only but any position if they are better first thing we should sign and second we know that there are two stopper stopper backs and strikers and we know that we really need and one good attacking with filler but any players who are better I think they should also I want to ask from inside because one team is saying one perspective is saying allow this scope let's say government has made all the rules dual nationalities so anyone who has an Indian grandparent can play for India one is that maybe today nobody from the domestically will then make it to the national team except maybe 1,2,3 players students in nation and good peeps inside that's one element to it but secondly doesn't it then create like a pressure on the domestically to then come up to that level that you strengthen your domestic structure slowly slowly of course it takes time so that the players of your club you are from Bangalore Bangalore FC they should also be represented in the national team because it's a matter of pride at the end of the day if you want to go to tol or Dr.Matspur or anyone say that our 5 player national team has a world cup squad it shows that your system is strong your training process is going well so do you think that's also a case like if we are comparing on the TV level some people are watching you are going to watch either the premier league or you are going to watch the ISL then don't we also have to go to that level you mean that the high league players or the second division players there should also be a better facility in terms of better coaching overall we can't look at it just that your club structure is different we will bring national team players from somewhere else this is a short term it's a short term but honestly PIO named one player right now who will be better than the current players anyway one guy is playing to meet Bayern he is surprising but he is ready to come that's it many players are there no no no the PIO players who are ready to come they are better than our current players there are many players there are many players you can see the Bayern Munich guy he will not come right now he is on top of his prime but in any case he is probably already played for New Zealand so he is no longer eligible to come just an example so how many PIO players who are ready to come here are good enough are better than don't just go by he is coming from US he is coming from Europe but are they really good and the only way you can judge that is that he has been here for a month and not just on the field how is he jelling with the coach jelling with the coach of the players so important because the club system has become a foreigner of your national team that I will be the proof and I will be different no no no not just that that applies to foreign players as well as we are talking right now when you are playing on the club side if you are playing in FC Goa so your week in week out training with the club that is to play a particular style of football from there you go to the national team camp you are trying to play a different style of football similarly if you are playing at Manchester United let's say you have one like many countries have had a superstar who is playing for a very big club but in the game of 11 people or 15 people his impact is not that much because he is still a superstar but that is the coach's decision superstar to maintain that that is the decision for the man management at the end of the day but I can understand the national team coaches they don't get enough time to make the players jealous that's the difficulties they are facing everywhere in the world but the structure of European league are so good that even though they don't get a chance but things are getting better here also but it's a difficult thing to whatever you are saying to maintain those kind of thing but it depends on the coach also rendi by the thing with the national team coaches I mean you are playing with the national team means you are the climate problem so if a normal player is taking 10 days to understand something or a crop player should understand it in 2-3 days because you are at that level mentally, physically everything but what Siddhan was talking about even if a Manchester United player is coming whether that team is fit or not if you look from outside sponsors, AIF they will jump on the bandwagon because on the pride of this man we can sell so much more we can fill the stadium the best will hover around the national team a lot more articles people will talk a lot more about the national team the only thing is they have to manage better and what are the pros and cons of bringing those kind of plays so I guess it has to be evaluated on a case by case basis right but that's where the scouting people who can I'm sure scouting comes in you have to send those people if you see that there are good players somewhere in the world you cannot say that you have to send someone there and see every weekend or see every month how he is progressing enough and are they ready to play the style of the game what the coach wants this are many things I think you have to bring in for one month every month every month you have to adapt to the system there are one or two very good players who are ready to adapt and there are some good PIO players who are not ready to adapt so you take time and you have to spend a lot of money on flying out people to see the game yeah yeah yeah these are other practical elements I'm glad you brought it up because if you look at how much a national foundation spends you look at India everyone assembles in Delhi and then the whole team flies from Delhi and flies back but you look at a team like Spain they might have 20 players coming from 20 different locations just in terms of planning the travel how much more staff does that require what is the additional cost of all these flights who is willing to play this is very basic just travel but this applies then across the board to all kinds of things what are the allowances for these players to spend their time if they are leaving the club if let's say the player is agreeable why would he leave the club to come and play on a shitty ground in India where the chances of injury might be very high where he doesn't have confidence in the medical staff etc etc even the travel you are the travel of going and coming you have to come back next week you have to do the job for your club side where you are probably getting this is also in a deep environment suppose you are saying you are coming to Europe then he will join you at whichever location and I know the way a team works and even if you are a big team there will be murmurs within the team saying that we are camping 10-12 days these guys are coming 2-3 days earlier so that can cross factions within the team as well yeah and that's where courts and management play a very big role how you manage how you bring the players it happened in the past even the small club this is about 20-25 years back the small team the club will take 15-20 days from a month they will be practicing they won't take the name of the big club they will come and select after 2 days but now I think things are different now I think the coaches they have got a good management style so I think this shouldn't be a problem these days of course everywhere it happens I can understand in a big team it happens but things are way better than before it used to happen before but 2 days ahead it would have been better but no, I think things are different now so can I ask you because Chopra this question about if you had to pick a 23 man sport how many what percentage or whatever would be Indian players and what percentage would be foreign players so you are saying that only there may be 2-3 foreign players who are at that level in your opinion brother for me is until and unless I see no PIO first I have to see whether PIO is better I will bring them all together if any PIO is interested they should come in train and you should see of course the coaches should do the study how they have been playing for last 3-4 years or what's the injury and status and stuff and bring them all together sometimes we get a month training and you will see at the ground man who is playing well and I will not say pick 2 players if PIO is better let the PIO play if it's not better anywhere from Kerala, from Punjab PIO should not be PIO should be the best otherwise no one last question because you travelled a lot all over the world and you also trained and so on so of course you have seen a lot of different players what is the difference when we are chasing say a good PIO what will you bring to the table and I am talking in pure footballing terms what you are saying is player what do I see then say if we get a top quality PIO what will they be adding into the team in terms of quality on the field what is the basic quality that you expect basic quality is that whatever we have the the players we have right now as a coach coach will know where we are and coach will know where to add on anywhere with striker if we need striker and if the PIO is playing better than what we have then why don't we take it honest for the Indian players it doesn't have to be he has to be good in speed but any player like I said if they are better why don't we bring him basic quality is like movement in the box movement in the box that you spend first of all you have to spend 15-20 days 15-20 days or a month you will be able to see what type of first thing is what is your idea how do you want to play what are you playing again how are you playing again is it really fitting in so I said for example against Bangladesh we had a tougher match then Qatar I think everyone played well as a defensive voice but against Bangladesh we couldn't even break once so what do we need we need a player with good touches we need a player who we can break in Bangladesh we have one bit of corner kick in my head Sunil ka miss one so if we have a good striker good touches for example Michael Chopra we know what a good score what a good touch inside the box he has got so if you have been there or creative midfielder we need more creative midfielder as an Indian we are struggling a lot but against Qatar we were flying we are defending and we are going on counter attack seeing that what our creativity player has got any PIO has got the type of creativity who can cut through those blocks I think why not sorry children if you have drafted Michael Chopra peak Michael Chopra sorry Michael but we play a target man game Michael Chopra will never come so here comes in how we want to play here comes in what is the coach's idea if you are playing Barak we need tall number 9 straight up front and he will fight for every ball like we used to do before but this coach he want to play from the back and that is how the coach have to see what is my idea what is my philosophy according to that you bring in the place alright so massive thank you to both Michael Chopra where ever they are one is in Impal and the other is in Jakarta for joining us and for giving their personal experiences as well as a wider perspective on some of these issues of course PIO's and Indian football will be going on in 420 rams we will take a break