 Holy heck here. We are so is any good first movie podcast. I'm your host Ryan. This is Scott Jared and Ben We're your hosts. We're talking about things like movies trailers reviews everything about movies So I thought we'd start off the first episode by talking about like what was the first movie I ever saw in a cinema Mine was the Little Mermaid back in 89. I believe it was Which was means I was for no three at the time three at the time one of my two brothers And my two sisters back at black town when they were had the village cinemas or Hoyt cinemas There's some huge ramp I just remember going in this huge ramp and it was like really really long and then you get into this little den of a cinema which was shrouded by like Crappy popcorn all over the floor and it was just like a really dingy kind of cinema But yeah, a little moment didn't matter. It was huge. You had a good memory Just the huge hallway. It was like, you know, like I've gone in the back cave for the first time It was like this terrible cinema, but it had this huge haul You just walk all the way down to and then you'd lead to your little cinemas and the cinemas are really dingy and crappy And I don't remember it being very you remember what you got from the candy bar. No, not that much That was a pretty popular cinema for us back then so I may have had memories from other other times we went but Yeah So the hallways were like more memorable than the actual films you saw there The cinema I saw every Disney film in like there was that and then it was Lion King They all know it was a ladder and then it was Lion King or Beauty and the Beast and then Lion King Whatever were the way it went We do from that specifically about you would probably don't remember any actual details of the film itself I do I do I remember I remember seeing You thought Ariel was hot What is this song I wish I could repeat Yeah The same thing remember that scene floating up to the top. Yeah, I think I started my love of doing the Time I get something victorious Yeah, that's quite fitting really that you that's that was your first movie considering you end up marrying Ariel Let's clarify not the actual voice actor Animated it's weird There would be so much erotic fanfiction Makes me Prince Eric Scott, what do you saw? I have fond memories of seeing for some reason. I don't know we kept going out to Richmond theaters I mean we always grew up in Castle so I don't know why we went out there But there's a small twin cinema out there and I remember seeing Peter Pan in some kind of re-release I guess in the early 90s. I Also remember seeing hook a Paramata Roxy, which sadly is now a nightclub But it's such a beautiful theater so I'd echo and stuff and that was a great time I actually I remember seeing turtles three there as well But being really excited because the poster for turtles three was outside like the cinema door And I thought it was hilarious hilarious enough that I had to pull my mother over to make us see the comedy Poster said you're starring Leonardo Michelangelo and then it also said and starring pizza, which I thought was the funniest thing ever as a kid I don't know why but was it a yellow poster with all the I don't really turn three man. I don't know what you that was but Yeah, so it's probably a bit later, but I just one of those earlier film memories I have but yeah, I'm seeing Jumanji and And men in tights that Robin Hood man. Oh really? Yeah, that was I think that was the last film I saw it Roxy before I got pulled down right all I pulled down it's still there, but it's just a shitty Bring back Roxy hashtag hashtag Roxy before it's always in our hearts. Yeah Well, I'm actually gonna steal that answer. I Peter Pam same for me as well But it was that we were visiting my nan lived in Tunkari. So it was like the Tunkari Twin Lakes cinemas It's not there anymore. It's not there anymore though. It's it's just a city with like foster So yeah, but Tunkari is where all the old people live. Yeah, so it's always like You can live over the bridge you can live over here It's a tale of a tale of two cities really. Yeah, but yeah, I don't remember any specifics of I just remember as you said Yeah, I remember some reason hook stood out I remember seeing Aladdin, but I remember also I didn't want to see Aladdin I thought I was too old for Disney movies at that age. I really wanted to see Dennis the menace I actually quite enjoy anyway parents took us to see Aladdin and I remember pretending to fall asleep at the ending So my parents thought I thought my parents would think I was bored and then I was too old for this stuff I really enjoyed the movie, but But yeah, I really want to see Dennis the menace. It seems like my first memory is watching sister act I went with my cousin My other one is cool runnings Me and my cousins Just like endlessly quoted the movie for the next probably No, we never went that far is just like all of the like Draw a line down the middle of your head That was hilarious as a keeping eggs in your pants. Yeah. Yeah, all that sort of stuff But yeah, I don't have it That seems like you must mean late to the game Yeah, you just you just something dark must have happened I would have been taken to see Disney movies and all that sort of stuff. It's the renaissance to early. No, that was usually these knees of Disney for some reason Yeah, the sister act just sticks in my head for We're not weird I have vague memories of Batman and forever, which I thought was the bomb diggity Yeah, though, I think it might have been the first live action film I saw I remember when I saw that I was like shocked when The Jim Carrey Riddler pushed that guy out the window like it was like, I don't know why but maybe cinema death was just something Even though it would know it was probably a silly sound effect. Yeah company. That was very Schumacher Yeah, no, no, it's not good I thought that movie was creepy as well with Tommy Lee Jones putting that guy the bank bolt of Just trying to be the Joker. Yeah, it was straight up like I'll just do Jack Nicholson. That'll be good Yeah, I've seen any of the animator movies or We don't want to start off getting those Tommy Lee lovers We don't want to get the Jones fan club That's right. Jones. Is Lee's middle name? I don't know I just all I know he's a part of two families that had his name Lee and then he's Jones So Tommy Lee yeah, yeah, he has different family from I really hope there's not a porno out there with Tommy Lee Jones The public trust I didn't fuck my wife I'm sorry We should totally make that trailer That would be pretty good a porno of the future. Yeah So I want to talk a bit more of a current topic I thought maybe bringing up if you guys thought the Rogue one would have a title crawl like an opening crawl like the original Star Wars films had and you know, what would it be? This is a tough one. Yeah, you know, I'd straight up I just I just can't see them doing it because you know They want to be clear about they want to be clear about keeping those the saga films separate from these ones But having said that I don't know how I played a lot of Star Wars video games back then and every one of those had the opening crawl And it always seems so stupid when it said like Rogue Squadron 2 Rogue leader is like like across like 50 lines of text You know, it's just it seems so forced that they were trying to like force that into the Star Wars brand That being said even with when the Clone Wars film came out and they just had they had like War chatter over Lucasfilm logo and then just the blam of the Clone Wars logo with a slight variation of the main theme It felt weird like it just didn't feel like Star Wars. It just felt like this weird offshoot and I know that's what they're trying to aim for with Rogue one, but I I don't I'm very curious to see how they balance it because they need to stay connected to the rest of you Don't have the Lucasfilm logo anymore. Do you? Yeah, so all right, so let's say they don't put the sorry button They don't put the Disney logo anymore. Yeah, not anymore. They never put the Disney because that would feel Marvel either and I think it's smart to keep that branding. Yeah, so what would you I'm what how would it start? If it doesn't have the crawl then how would you do it? so The only a cool idea I thought is what if they just had the opening crawl that they played the first 10 minutes of a new hope and then like suddenly just jump back and say Just full-on non-linear Like freeze-frame it Chapter titles We're like Tarantino style. Yeah I will be kind of curious to see how it plays out because I think there's such an affinity to the opening score and that crawl that That is Star Wars and I know, you know, they're trying to keep this stuff as separate as they can But really it is Star Wars at the end of the day So they've got I reckon they've got something cool up their sleeve like they're gonna have to do They can't just there's gonna be something in its place Yeah, I don't think it'll just be that film title and then the film will start It's got to be they're gonna see I much rather than not have anything Like if they're gonna do it just have whatever they do for one then the next the hands always been off We'll just be its own thing and then each of them will have their own You know unique stories, but I feel like that opening crawl is so Star Wars that I Hope that nothing is lost by losing it. Maybe if they're calling it a Star Wars story Maybe it's like a we've come in on it like a book. Yeah, but it's just like a hologram kind of Maybe someone's reading maybe someone's reading this door. It's like As you wish Actually be this will start in the Christmas special Yeah, and I think we've answered I'd like to see them just go straight into the yeah the action Like it's not even not even yeah, not even have the Lucas film. Maybe that comes in after yeah Yeah, like you have a like a cold open. Yeah Yeah, that's a they could do that I think you mean you think about like films stars has never had opening credits really we have a crawl and one That's I'm kind of curious whether that changes or but you could just jump straight into a heartbeat style That's kind of how Marvel have been doing it as well Yeah, they just have the logo and then whatever a scene I think personally is a start off and a very iconic Star Wars kind of way like I know it's I probably won't have the opening crawl I don't think I will personally But I think it needs to start off with you the shot of the Death Star being bill Maybe I think that that's shot in the trailer where the Death Star is actually getting that the gun between put into the Sorry super laser being put into the space station and the Number one, sorry the stardust or it's gonna be corrected again the star destroyer imperial star destroyer Do you know that like a number for it? Maybe like a seven or three. I don't know. It's a come on Anyway, so the star destroyer being you know seeing next week Maybe that's the opening scene because I have that kind of like planet. He kind of feels he know you're watching Star Wars I think they were starts going into like Omaha like like star like seven prior Ryan star where it's you know The drop ships are coming in similar was episode seven started. I guess I think that's just too I Think outside of that opening crawl episode seven even felt a bit weird starting that way like very battle Ian Yeah Yeah, like the all the stormtroopers rushing out into Chikoo and killing I always felt like that scene is a way to kind of say this is new Star Wars This is this is our this is what we're doing with it Yeah, they kind of I mean that was kind of taking from the prequels. I think cuz revenge is yeah There's some of that stuff There's some more kind of shot footage even in attack of the clones on Geonosis where it's kind of a lot of zoom It just shots that you weren't expecting to see it in Star Wars And I think we're gonna see even more of that within Rogue one because really that if they're trying to find themselves It's coming completely different and you know this war film that they've been talking about for last years And that's the only way they can really try and differentiate themselves from what's already on screen So some are just finished How a lot of disappointing films I felt like you know disappointing of a disappointing of this morning Yeah, very small amount of films are actually pretty good So I was just gonna ask what was your most disappointing film of the summer start with you Scott You know, it wasn't a great summer obviously and there's like there's a lot of mediocre mediocre Whatever you know what I'm saying average films That and I think there was nothing that really stood out to me as like a super this point But I did not like Independence Day. I a resurgence I really loved that original film and I thought this new one just lost all that kind of cheesiness at this Yeah, that that that first film had and had cheesiness and just didn't have the right stuff Yeah, you know and like I think they lost me. I just wasn't interested in future warships battling future look and alien ships I think there's some cool You know, there's something really cool about watching their 16th or whatever fly up against the alien spacecraft in that first film And then I felt like everything else they did in this this movie was just pandering to that first film audience I will have Bill Paxton would have made the film better. Yeah, definitely The Bill Pullman fan card is now offside Bill Pullman didn't come back and they just swapped in with Bill Paxton if any everyone would have been fine with that Yeah, yeah, I agree with that any idea, but like I think we should have subbed in Bill Paxton and seen it people that made them Did you did you good about that shot of of the son of Will Smith's son walking into the White House and seeing Oh my god. Yeah, actually I said that to Ben. I'm so proud of you. When we saw this for the review I said legitimately 100% there will be a shot of somebody looking at a picture Yeah, but I thought it was going to be like a picture in a locker or a wallet or something Not a fucking, no, locker Oh my god Yeah, my heart will go on I didn't expect the fucking mural in the White House Yeah, and it's just like a publicity still from the first movie Yeah, exactly, that's the point It would have been better if he was like some like a minotaur or something But I mean, I don't think the film would have it's probably a smart thing of Will Smith to actually not do the film Yeah, I mean, it's nothing He's lost by not being there. I don't think he's I mean, I don't know if he saw a script or anything, but like was there a script? But like I don't think I think it's such an ensemble cast that first film that just losing Will Smith is not You know didn't train wreck that film by itself. And why did Vivica Fox? Oh, that was nothing wrong But that's the thing they got all these people in it was just just for the sake of Yeah, um, and then it's the weird, um, scientist guy way too much airtime. Yeah The crazy data. What's his name? Yeah, Bracken. Okay. She's named in the film, but uh, Brett Spina friends. Yeah Um, but yeah in the school site. I did not care for that guy in the first Yeah, we're bringing him back. Yeah, bringing him back wasn't a huge boon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's my pick for the most disappointing Yeah, that's pretty disappointing too. How do you jarrett? It's just Just a whole lot of discipline Give you some thinking time if you need it. Yeah, you can jump in I'm struggling I think X-Men apocalypse was a weird one because It had I don't know like I think Brian Singer just needs to step away from from the series I think I didn't yeah, that's that's a film. We actually did give the film a yes But it was one of those ones. There's a lot of films this year that would sort of just a bit meh And that was one that fell in the middle. Yeah So it was kind of like we felt like we had to recommend it for people that do enjoy the x-men series Yeah, yeah days of future past was so successful for them And I felt like I mean it didn't it wasn't it wasn't a five-star film or anything But it showed that they probably like there was potential for them to be like Marvel but then They kind of just I don't know they made the wrong decision with the villain. Yeah, and especially poor Oscar Isaac like Doing underneath those prosthetics barely recognizable Yeah, and then there's Didn't think the prosthetics and all that way that like it was it was fine I just thought the film was it was nowhere near as good as days of future past But which was itself is nowhere near as good as first class and I think it's just this downhill trend that I think just Bring back another director. I'm not being the minority that didn't like first class I don't think you are I think actually we are in the minority of didn't like yeah Because a lot of things that I watched and it's like everyone shits on first class like It was like Austin Powers movie Everything with Kevin Bacon Felt like it was a bond. It was like a boy sitting in a bond layer. Yeah That was great for the time and Jeremy Jones was fucking terrible It's great to look at though. Yeah, but she did nothing She was like she was like a cardboard cut out of January Jones. She's oh, I think she's a cardboard cut out to begin with She watched Mad Ben. She's she's a good actress, right? She just But even for whatever reason Apocalypse like even the um quick silver sequence was just a copy of what they'd already previously done Oh, that worked well last time. Let's just do it again. Yeah. It was a cool sequence But I just wasn't super original I just think you know the fact they struggle because Magneto has obviously always been the villain and the whole thing And he was kind of sidelined a bit. Yeah, but why make mistake the main character? They struggled with all those characters Because once you get an oscar you need to have the lead role in everything. Well, it's like hallowed tree She wanted more time is storm. I mean, you know that first set of x-men films. Yeah, you would just say that Apocalypse was a like a bad villain just used but apocalypse is like one of the tb top x-men villains I don't doubt the character Yeah, like I just think they missed a lot like a lot of the I think myself personally and you know, a lot of people are watching the trailer and stuff like that saw that scene Where apocalypse grew in size and was strangling Xavier in the you know in the um Xavier school for the gifted children Or different youngsters. What is it gifted? Whatever it is. Uh, anyway, that's it. I think it's youngsters Anyway, point being when he was strangling that seemed, you know, very apocalypse like that was that's his power And that turned out to be a super strong. You know, it was a dream sequence I think that was just like the epiphany of disappointment of that film like They could have really like a power rangers No, I mean that that was definitely helped out when the film was actually released. I think it was just Intimate weekly, I believe I believe that was that was he did look silly though. I mean it what he wasn't purple But he was blue. Yeah, he's still he's still like if you've seen the comic books That's exactly what he looks like basically like well, that's just a good example of you know something that doesn't translate Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I did like the uniforms at the end Yeah, I like more of the retro feels that danger room like Last two minutes was really cool. Yeah, I just think yeah overall, sorry excuse It just Then they had momentum coming out of days of future past and now I think people don't really Have a craving for another X-Men final. Yeah, no, and I think Deadpool kind of well We can just sideline the X-Men characters in Deadpool. That's cool I think that they're the other issue I had with apocalypse and actually independence day as well Is that the states are too high? They're literally pulling like how powerful are these is magneto? I mean he's pulling metal out of the ground like that's it like Yeah, how great? Yeah, exactly He can't do that. That is that is that that is an attribute of his That's great, but it doesn't allow you to beat that. How do you get any greater than that? I haven't seen in poc lips, but like if he's the top villain, where do you go from there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, like it's all the all the all the stories from then on are gonna be lesser What about if you haven't this is gonna be a bit of a spoilers, but if you have seen it it looks like it's heading to Now the phoenix So it's a little what they did with number three Now they're just rebooting them Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure Brian sing is basically saying that number three didn't happen And I think that's why we have to give it a yes Basically, if it's if it's better than number three, it has to happen. Yeah, like yeah, it's just fine lines are all over the Yeah, that's that's my continuity. The series is the worst for constantly It's basically saying like the first four movies didn't happen. Yeah. Yeah, that's right Oh, no, no, no the first the first two did it's saying basically the third one didn't happen because how can you pick? Which ones you have it's that's such fanboy crap Sorry, you're right. Well, I was right to do with Superman in my opinion It's such fanboy crap that we feel like we can go and rewrite Film like history like oh for continuity say these two didn't happen anymore. It's fine So against this new alien Fifth alien film that is going to try and rewrite three and four. Just suck it up and do it Suck it up and deal with it. No, I can't It's back Oh fair enough. It it happened. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need to bring back kicks But I'm happy to bring him back. I don't think bring back Ripley one last time. Give her one more Biff at the L. This is this is a conversation for no one. Yes. Yes. No one Is to me why well, let's let's do it man. Let's get into it. What is this? I don't think I don't think I don't know if Michael Bain could do another film. Could he I feel like he's He just has to look like this hold on You know like just he's doing films now. Like he's still not he's just a bit slower than he Used to but I mean that's look Harrison Ford can't do an interview but he can interview Michael He can still kill us as Han Solo This that's right. The Michael Bain fan club kids Talk to Jennifer his wife his wife is the issue getting through to her Uh Yeah, no, no, no, um, let's back off the beat. All right. We'll cut that out I still don't have a disappointing I'll go I'll go I guess I don't have a disappointing one because I didn't really have high hopes for any of the Movies right. So the whole summer was just disappointing for you. Yeah Like I didn't see anything coming out that I thought Oh, yeah, that like I have to see that like I haven't seen I haven't seen I haven't seen half of those movies because like if it wasn't a review for the site I haven't seen it pretty much. Right. So I saw Finding Dory. That was about it And that was pretty good. The highest grossing movie of the year. Yeah, how did that happen? Yeah, how did that happen? That's ridiculous. Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure that uh, DC would have hoped to have that title They would at least back there and then if not again with suicide squad suicide squad shooting the biggest movie of the year Yeah, yeah, well, that would say it was outside of rogue one. Yeah. Yeah Um, which leads on to my most disappointing movie, which is um suicide squad Um, I had massive hopes for that movie going into it with the trailers the three different trailers that were great You know the I think everybody had massive hopes. Oh looks so good. How's everything going for a little bit? Oh my god, everything it's one of those polishing and turd me exactly exactly um, you know the director was hot off the heels of fury and um And uh Oh, oh, yeah end of watch though or no end of watch. Um fury was great I like I'm keeping on calling david yates. What's his last name david? Hey david. Hey, I'm sorry. I'm gonna do that one. What's wrong? Is he shortening a film? David Yates is the I know I know. Yeah, that's what I was going for. Um, yeah, so david david. Yeah. Yeah was yeah Is it a year? Yeah, yeah, it's not air. It's not air. It's not the power you're gonna defeat someone, right? I don't know. It's maybe this is a strain accident. We'll just won't blame on that The Australian accents David. Hey, uh Hey, I'm a good guy, mate. A Y E R. Yeah, A Y E R. Yeah A Y E R For the kids thing, I don't know Um, yeah, I don't know that that film just had everything going for it a great script or what looked to be a great script Great trailers great actors great director. I think David David. Um David A has been doing a lot of great things recently like, um, like basically every movie's touch has been pretty cool I'm maybe not sabotage that much which was the ounce for snigger. Did he have is he a big comic book fan or Was he coming out of? I'm not personal friends with him, but But from what I could tell clearly no I'm gonna say no because I mean there's a lot of connections that they could have been Could have happened and stuff like that that wasn't really there There was a lot of things that happened in the comics that was there like the How many guys have seen it? None of you know, I think you're the only one saying it Holy hell. Well, yeah And that's purely because we haven't seen good review like yeah reviews of me, right? Wow. Okay. Cool. Yeah. So there's a lot of things that do connect to the comic books like there'll be there's a scene where, um, You know this guy, um What's his name? Man, Adam Beach plays him. I kind of think his name is such an off-site character. Um, something to do with Like type rope or you know, uh, something to do with anyway, um What's what's when you get to hang man hang man something like that? But what's it actually called when you when you're when you're tight through That's it. No, something like that. Anyway, fuck it. Um, you know, uh, even adam beach's character When he died that was a sequence, you know, specifically from one of the suicide squad comics, um boomerang You know suggests that the the bomb on their neck isn't or in their side the head Sorry, it doesn't actually work and so he's like, you know, fucking i'm out of here and shoots off He's a little shootaway gun flip slipknot. He's his name fucking slipknot. That's what his name is. Anyway, slipknot Um, you know shoots away with a little grappling hook and flies off and you know in that instant He's blown up with his head and that isn't like the first 10 minutes movie, but um, you know Master spoiler Watch a movie again It's the first act of the movie. I don't think it's a spoiler if it's in this I think in the second or third act that's a spoiler first act It's part of the trailer. It's you know, I think it's part of the well it should be Anyway, I don't think they put major character death Not a major character. Yeah, then the reason or the reason why you knew. Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, let's talk about pattern Um, leave that for another episode. Um, but um, I didn't watch that for that reason Uh, look, I didn't I didn't hate that. Anyway point being let's move on. Let's move on. Um, so what I was trying to say was I did Everyone ate it. I didn't think again. I didn't like it as much But when I first saw I think Arnold Schwarzenegger coming back to and beating himself up that was kind of balling Uh, but the rest of that film kind of just it's like a slobber slob. Um poor Amelia Clark Oh her career. Just see you later. Um, she's fine for another two years. Don't worry. Yeah Yeah, but then once you got nothing she will sort herself. She's got Randy comedy. She's got sappy rom-coms. Yeah That actually made a made a fucking lot of money. What the hell like 200 million dollars. Um, yeah fair enough That's shit. The posters man. The posters are always the same. Yeah, people people. It looks like a bad time poster Oh, right. Yeah, and everyone loves that movie. Yeah, the the different levels looking. Yeah, each other. Yeah Every romantic art. Yeah, it's like McConaughey posters where he's always leaning on something. Yeah It's just Yeah, so what my main point was that the the trailer and the movie had everything going for it So really it should have been a great film So like I don't know why it went wrong Is it is there a lot of stuff left on the cutting room floor that's the rumors the rumors there is I mean, but nothing's been released yet. So like who knows but rumors has it There's a lot a lot more Joker stuff. Jared Leto even has said that, you know, he when they shot the film He was under the impression. There's a lot going to be a lot more. He said, I think you direct quote was there was a whole film Shot essentially for Joker that they could make from the cutter in floor stuff So that was just probably because he just kept acting. They just kept recording Like dude, dude, like go to lunch We don't need anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Did Jeff Jones the DC guy? Was he right out of that? He came on directly at the end of that film He's close to the rest of them He's steering for the Justice League Jeff Jones has been in charge of like all the tv stuff. So like everything like green arrow the flash The supergirl and legends of tomorrow, which legends tomorrow are not that amazing, but ash Arrow and flash Amazing, okay, great. You like arrow a bit of the flash. I like legends of tomorrow a bit of the flash Who are you? Flash is to It's a bit Dawson's Creek Bit does is a little bit is a little bit. Yeah, so so is green arrow. They've got that very much like Relationship ties on the other side of it, but I think it I don't care. You don't care. No, no, I think it adds to it I like the group dynamic of the Okay, I've been a little bit of a watch five episodes a lot of those characters from legends tomorrow from those series So like some of them showed up in the flashlight and showed up Well, it seems like they're sort of all interconnected worlds now when they die in one they show up in another one Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah And now they're um signing them to contracts, which go across the dc universe Yeah Oh, it's a sub sub. Yeah, it's just the tv universe It's funny how much dc can kill it in the tv universe like they are killing it in the tv universe, but in the movies it's like And marvel marvel marvel still got the edge there. They they're gritty. They're the gritty. They have the gritty cable stuff Netflix stuff Disney-owned stuff. So like the agents the shield agent kata But jessica jones, the cage looks awesome. Yeah, but it's almost like they've swapped because dc's like got these gritty You know gritty dark the films. Yeah, the tv shows are quite light and bubbly. I think I think they need to counterpoint Yeah, I think if it was all the same, then they'd be like wait a minute. Yeah Yeah, what do you think dc needs to do to fix themselves? Don't let xx I think don't like I don't think I like don't let xx. I don't touch anything. I think that's probably a good idea Visual director. I just don't think that he he should not write anything ever, right? He's he's like bass lemon. They should stay far far away from scrups I'm slightly hoping they've learned their lesson because there was always they sent a whole bunch of Film critics to the set of justice league and they basically came out and said, you know We've learned that people don't want to see their superheroes deconstructed And I think as long as you can take that mentality Hopefully going forward. We might see a bit of a change. I don't even do a good job of deconstructing them though Yeah, well, it's just like you see a whole two films now and I still Don't really have much of it like superman just just leaves me feeling cold superman He's kind of like that as a character, but that's what they said they said out they set out to try and To try and like in the past We've all been in the past Truth justice, I reckon way man They said that with good intentions because they obviously wanted to Nolan eyes the whole thing. Yeah, but but they're not Yeah, it's not Chris Nolan And by Nolan, you mean like they had him as a producer on man of steel and then he would just I'll be over here. Yeah I hate to say it but the way they fix it is being more like marvel Yeah, essentially bring more fun to it. Yeah, and I think we don't want to be that depressed for too long Yeah, from what we've seen so far. There's just like maybe we're getting in that direction. Maybe especially with the Very young. Yeah, and I think there are certain characters that naturally are like that I mean batman is always going to be dark and brooding. I mean superman should be You know, it's a voice out, but superman has that ability to be light Yeah My favorite things in both man of steel and batman vs superman is when he's you know He was for the two seconds. He was playing Clark Kent. Yeah, and then, you know, he had a little bit to do that in Dawn of Justice, but I think that's such a great big part of that superman character that Jettison in it, you know, you just left with this met super human who's definitely boring. Yeah, exactly It has nothing to do with the world on the shoulders. Yeah All right, cool. All right, let's finish it up there. Um, if you want to check out more you can head to our website soasandanygood.com Check out our Instagram, Twitter, Facebook. We're always there talking back. Um, and until next time. This is soasandanygood signing off Hey