 And we're back from commercial so Doug had a good question for bill about About his first book about moment arm exercise, which is what was the sticking point for so many people reading the book was it? physics was it physiology well, you know First it wasn't so I'm not a professional writer. So this wasn't an assignment. I didn't have a market in mind I had injured myself and this is me working out over really for four-year stretch me working out what happened and discovering what I prefer to as a disconnect between exercise and biomechanics and So I basically I rebuilt my own Process of working out and then I realized from all my notes and sketches and diagrams. We might have something here But I didn't know what it was. I didn't know if it was a commercial book. I didn't know if it was an academic book so I just put it together and Had a swivel bound because I didn't know a you know I remember getting that book yeah, and of all the ones you've written That's my favorite one well because when it came to me it like has this little note scrolled on it's like big Amirin blah blah blah and like please read this tell me what you think and I like Well, it was so cool because you were living through your thought process you were thinking on paper and I was like My god, why didn't I ever? So damn stupid. I never thought of anything But yeah, mr. Emergency Medicine, but But I you know I was working my own things out had these notes here But guys around my age Who had also studied the Mensa and the Norse literature from the 70s? Every one of us got it right away. Yeah read it and said I know exactly what you're talking about Right when you get to our age the crows start to come home to roost shit You did in 1975 all of a sudden becomes right a problem in 2005 And when you're when you're my age stuff you did this morning. We'll haunt you later tonight Yeah, man, I just got that wooden roller coaster at Bush Gardens, and I'm like man But but the and what now is also is you know if you if Also, everybody our age with our reading experience Read this and said boy, you really kind of you know poked holes and a lot of nautilus theory You didn't come out and say it, but it's it's in between the lines. Yeah, and And he but now and unfortunately for me Ellington Darden got in touch with him when he read it He said boy, I really liked it which and I sweat it out because I knew what I knew I knew where my head was that when I was writing it But I want to write it that way right and he said I especially like the first five chapters when you talk about the science Well, the first five chapters is where I I say here's what we used to think right and I was pretty much a direct quote I didn't say I didn't say that but that's what I led it right up So I must have phrased it right because I'm really not doing this to make enemies, right? You know I said that was that was strictly working my own thing out But anyone knows a brave book too because in that time, I mean a whole Super slow thing was it? It's a pretty high peak of religiosity at the time is like probably right like you know guys I blew out a bicep tin and doing a super slow curl. Yeah, you know and again. I didn't want to Just in general, I don't want to critique other people's right, but but that is what I was for the first time ever it said You know Just going slow isn't gonna fix everything if the biomechanics are I tried not to say that exactly that way Yeah, that's it that yeah, like I said I'm going too slow with the incorrect biomechanics like drags out the whole process might make it more likely, you know So I found though that for instance like the nsca crowd Dismissed it they had they had no interest in it Why is that why do they because they didn't have the frame of reference of the nor was in the hit background Yeah, and and they and they weren't interested I'm sure they got bored really quick and they weren't interested in objectively saying well Here's what biomechanics says how the shoulder works So we shouldn't you know one thing about the hit Influenced community is Right or wrong whether I agree with them individually or not or but it heads with an individually or not They do care about this stuff. Oh, yeah, they do but they really do to a fault, but they do care you try to engage nsca people or or Ace people whatever They're interested in a lot of them are interested in the trappings of working out But picking apart G the religion put in the shoulder in that position that that's not Yeah, that's it's just not on their agenda Yeah, it's it's like I made this point this is the total aside But one of the speakers that the it's not a whole side I'll bring it around Dave Asprey who spoke at the 21 convention He had the conference a couple weeks ago the quantity of the biohackers conference I was trying to explain what a biohacker was and I finally came this pretty little bend diagram of the quantified self folks up Here who won't who won't get out of bed in the morning unless they can track something right like any know how many steps I'm gonna take how many bowel movements I'm gonna have and they're gonna put it in a black box and turn it into some sort of like metric of How healthy they are or if they're moving in the right direction if they're thinking well And then there's a whole component that that will get you to speak on unlike the notion of well number one Any human involved kind of measure is inherently lossy and fuzzy and you know two seconds here two seconds there It's like taking doing doing labs of blood if you let something oxidize just a little longer It's gonna give you a totally different readout And then there's the life extension is people who are who are waiting for the singularity when humans and machines come together in one And they're the least healthy people on planet Earth because they're waiting for capital S science to make capital in magic and Let them live for eternity and they got the health and fitness folks are filling out the final third Which is like the nsca type people are like we like working out and well Or whatever you're measuring anything. No, we just like working out like it's it's for its own sake. They enjoy it And so you get some people and the hit would almost be like if you took the quantified Self-sphere to some degree and overlaid it with the health and fitness folks so they care about components of measure of actionable data or Certain truths like you're like your shoulder will you know, you're you're gonna impinge right here Unless you've had your AC joint sought off for some reason you're gonna impinge here And so it's it's kind of funny that way though that that there are a number of people who they're so wrapped up in the Qualitative feel of training that they care nothing for that kind of nuts and bolts of it Well feel is a very persuasive phenomenon I'm gonna bring this up tomorrow, you know I'll get people say oh, I did do the cable class. It's great workout, right? Why yeah, why is it a great workout? Well, you breathe it heavy you're sweating your muscles hurt the next day All right, I get it. I get it that it that is very persuasive, you know your muscles burn your sword And there's a huge disconnect between the feel right and what it means or what's really happening there, right? And and whether it's kettlebell classes or why grip chins just feeling The tip of your scapula dig into your latissimus and think oh, that's right, you know feel in the next side is very In fact, in fact, you're you're you're bulldog with a bone question about J reps 10 years or so Yeah I can remember it Claire's day because it goes like this because because Bill's talking about like biomechanics this and that and you're interviewing him And he's telling this really long kind of compelling piece about this that you get you're like that's really really great What do you think about J reps like? And then and then like and then it kind of because that was the hot thing like like Johnson had just released the J reps volume one of three Something I forget how many volumes DP went Actually, there is some so that was funny because because totally tangentially There is a small amount of literature more recently that that indicates like when a when tissues contract It's not like everything on that linear path start sliding towards one another It's almost this portion and then this portion not that you can affect the hypertrophy as much as there's this almost regional Yeah, box car affected the sarcomeres like there's a little bit here. There's a little bit here There's a little bit here. They're all in her tension, but it's sort of like collapse collapse collapse But but I think it's a bit of a reach at this point to say it's so then that then defies breaking the rep up Oh, totally. No, I'm on board with you there. I just think it's interesting having said that though J reps 21. I don't wait it was Darden's Steady don't stage reps at one point And nobody only by all bodybuild magazines are 21s or reps and a half Whatever the mechanism is it's very compelling sure like because let's face it you go stale if you use the same technique Sure, and so you go stale and you can get eight reps and you can't get nine and then Instead the next time you do one and a half reps with that and whoa. Yeah, that's right. Whoa. I got that depleted feeling again I'm pumped. Holy cow So I you know not to be anti science, but it doesn't matter. It's like it's like it's an interesting Yeah, yeah, the feel is very compelling and you know stepping back a second if it keeps you motivated to train great Great, you know, it doesn't Be in a train or not an academic I Don't feel I don't have to justify everything I do with a direct link to research You know, I mean I have a framework I work around but if it keeps person interested great and doesn't hurt of course It's a bit like what Ryan Hall who's a friend of ours who has a facility in New Orleans an exercise physiologist Says when people how long do I have to do this till you die? Like, you know, so you're gonna go stale you can't you're not gonna stay in the same routine forever and so picking kind of Best even if benign like even if it's all up here and the change the changes for the head. So what you know, Doug Um, you know, you talk about why didn't you think about actually in your Bolton one? you had one line in there about Where the in actually I think was about where they actually needed a camp and the line you said was when you're doing a bench Press if your pectorals are exerting can display less torque as your arms coming together Then doesn't a compound exercise by definition there came building. Yeah, yes And I took that kind of ran with it That was one of the things I went I went when I blew my biceps and triceps out I went back to the NCA biomechanics and I went back to that line I went you read I said, you know, there's something there's something there That whole book was by and large an embarrassment because it was that stage of training where you're kind of trying something new And it's like you're watching the tide come in you measure and then you measure and you're like, oh my god The whole city's gonna be underwater in a week and then you go write a book about it You know, yeah, but I mean that was the first bit of your work I read because coach comes in so coach John Coleman was my mentor He was the he won three national championships in American football in Mexico City of all places It's a very interesting guy And I think he was an assistant coach under Bear Bryant during the Texas A&M days and and you know Do you know Doug MacGuff? No, no, here's his book All right all right, so so I'm reading the book and And the thing was is that there was a sense of excitement, but there was also a sense of You know the further you got in the book it clear it was clear that you were you were recognizing that this was a tide coming in Scenario there was a tonal change in the middle of the book that went from like when you're talking about doing a leg Press at the broken foot Yeah, yeah, and how and how you could figure out kind of the perfect rep speed based on the fact If you went too fast or too slow, yeah pain increase But about five or six seconds you could kind of suss out that middle ground Which it which to me is like cracking the armor cracking the armor It's like that was my first experiment with excommunication. Yeah Back in those days. It was like 10 10 and it was like and I'm like, you know I'm really not seeing any clients that can put forth a good effort and go any slower than seven seconds I Just did not seeing it and I'm like all of a sudden I broke my foot racing my bike I'm like, well, let's find out Where force really does become an issue and it was a lot faster than what was being advertised at the time You're kind of like man, right, you know, this doesn't fit the Well, I Didn't it just popped in my head. I gotta tell you that moment-arm exercise And your discussion of scapula humeral timing Mm-hmm changed how I reduce shoulder dislocation. Oh Wow, and and Because I'm talking about any AR. Yeah, your shoulder gets dislocated the humeral head comes out of a glenoid Generally falls forward anterior and the the popular techniques for doing that are In congruent and use a lot of mechanical force to do it and If you Can get the person comfortable and you can get them to relax all the muscles about them and you just put them in Appropriate scapula humeral timing It's just because a shoulder dislocation. Yeah, it's busy. You saw the video and it's like, oh my god It's just that shit in here and a patient comes Shoulders out and it's this big muscular guy and like crap You got to start an IV you got to get a monitor You're gonna have to do conscious sedation. You're gonna have to knock them out and then put it back in But I'm now about 2022 shoulder dislocations Under my belt with no sedation No analgesia know nothing just sit relax and just get it in the right scapula humeral timing and it Sorry, sorry you kind of putting them and gradually externally rotating them into the scapular plane and just letting it kind of Fall back on its own. Yeah Works and there's actually a guy that has created a whole a guy in Australia's created a whole website on a shoulder Dislocation net guy named Cunningham and it's called the Cunningham technique now That is really the day Simone day Simone technique. I'm like We're gonna be back from commercial with the more exciting news about the day Simone technique Dr. Doug McGuff who had a great talk today to my left building Simone Who's been training people about as long as I've been alive Yeah, as long as I'm in a yeah. Yeah, I'm based on talks yesterday So what we're gonna do is a kind of as a point of interest ten years ago roughly What was the sticking point for so many people reading the book? Was it? Physics was it physiology? Well, you know First it wasn't I'm not a professional writer. So this wasn't an assignment. I didn't have a market in mind I had injured myself and this is me working out over really for four years stretch me working out what happened and discovering what I prefer to as a disconnect between exercise and biomechanics and So basically I rebuilt my own Process of working out and then I realized from all my notes and sketches and diagrams. I mean I have something here But I didn't know what it was. I didn't know if it was a commercial book. I didn't know if it was an academic book so I just put it together and Had a swivel bound because I didn't know a you know, I remember getting that book Yeah, and of all the ones you've written That's my favorite one well because when it came to me it like has this little notes crawled on It's like big man, blah blah blah and like please read this. Tell me what you think and I Was like, holy shit Well, it was so cool because you were living through your thought process. You were thinking on paper and I was like one One exercise and I have a lot of stuff in the studio. I have to do one these things Why do you think all of a sudden work hard work is in vogue? I mean, it's just this kind of brain sort of picking out that while the sudden In the turn of the 1800s with health food and then I'm forgetting the name of some of the guys in the late 1800s with these like full-on You're gonna be barefoot. You're gonna be naked. You're gonna be training for an armic fat. Yeah That's right. 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