 Wel i'n y toffie TV ac i gyd wedi'u gynnwys John Blaine yn y cwrwm y cyfle cyflwyno cyflwyno. o'r ysgrifennu ei ddweud i ddweud i gyd yn gwybod i'n ddylch chi'n dwy多 100 miliwn cyflwyno cyflwyno. Yn y fideo ar y cyflwyno cyflwyno, mae'n rhan o'n ffordd. I'n ddysgu'r cyd-ddiwedd, i gyd-dau ar gyfer o'r cyd-ddiwedd ac i'n ddysgu'r cyd-ddiwedd. A'r ddysgu'r cyd-ddiwedd wedi'i gondol iawn. Mae'r ddiogel yma er mwynfaen, yn cyd-ddiwedd yn ddigredu'r gyfrif. John, cyd-ddiwedd eich cyd-ddiwedd o'r cyd-ddiwedd. Mae Skylighter ddysgu. Cyd-ddiwedd, lle yn cyfrif. Allwch. Yn ymdill eich cyd-ddiwedd, nes yw eich ddweud. See some things obviously on social media and different things bouncing around as the reasons why Everton didn't spend the money. There was quite an interesting article in the Daily Mail. On the one I tweeted. Yeah, which are red, which you know you've got the graphic there so we'll look up on. A bar Everton's spending really. Past spending. Past spending, yeah. So going into this transfer window, Marcel Brands and Marco Silver said, Marcel Brands said if we do anything, it'll be one in one out kind of thing. Marco Silver in a few of his press conference said they've been told we haven't got the financial conditions to be able to bring anybody in. So just on the top of that, are you disappointed by that as a fan? No, not really, okay. I was disappointed after Millwall. I melt down after Millwall because it just got me down. I'm normally quite calm about everything. Is that your pointless observation? That was, yeah. Honestly, I've done that video. We are a pointless stop or clip? A minute after the game finished, and I never ever do that. But I was hoping we'd bring a centre forward in. Who? Well, actually I wanted Batchwag. However, no, no. I wanted to see the numbers. I didn't want them. But I was just looking around thinking ideally I'd like to bring a centre forward in because people might be bothered by things. As high as you can, but I am. And I just feel as though with the centre forward give us a little bit more of a focus. However, haven't seen the numbers for Batchwag. I fully understand my evidence. Give it the big swerve. So it's done now and I'm looking and thinking, you know what? You know, I'm not down over it or whatever. It was just one of those things. So what did you want to spend on him then to justify bringing a player who has unproven in this league? No, but he's a good centre forward. I've seen him a lot of times. He hasn't, I don't think he's had a run in this league. But then, you know, unless you're top top, you don't get a run at Chelsea anyway. So that was one of the things. I think he's, the way I looked at it, I looked at our centre forwards. Okay. And I thought, is he better than them? Yes, he is. He's more mobile than all three of them. I think he's a better footballer in terms of link-up play than Calvert Loom. Definitely, definitely. He's a charleson. He's a good footballer, but he's a penalty box. So that was why I was looking at Batchwag. But I understand, like you said, he wants to see the numbers coming up. It was a no brainer to leave it well alone. It's a big massive queue of clubs wanting that. All right, John. All right, John. All right, John. So. So it was just really to make you feel better. Well, just to give it another focal point, I was sure on Saturday we didn't have. So there you go. And he did set up one of the goals for Palace of the Weekend. But anyway, staying on subject. The big thing that happened this Saturday was we were trying to get players out the door and obviously we moved Cucamartina, brought them back from Stokeham for about two minutes. People went into Meltdown, but then we shipped them off obviously to Feyenoord. Obviously Oomaniash went out to Cardiff on loan. And we showed Janak Balasi go to Andalect with 43 seconds of the transfer window to Spare. That was literally 43 seconds left of it. And we showed a couple of the young lads out in the heavens just gone off to Blackpool. Callum Connolly got his contract cancel at the weekend and went to Bolton. And Benny Benninga me. A lot of few people raised their eyebrows at one or two women. So overall, Marcel Brands, since he's come in, has really started the structure of trying to get old of massive wages and get them out the door and trying to trim this what people are saying. There's a bloated squad. So is that, are you perfectly fine with that? Are you happy to see that happen? And the fact that no-ins come in. Are you surprised that no-ins come in at all or not? I'm not surprised at all. Not surprised at all. I mean, are you expecting any of your... No, not really, because both the manager chooses to say it the way he says it. But I think we've talked on here before and we haven't done it here. We've done it on business matters. The director of football said that you only buy in January. The panic buys, in the sense. Distressed buys. You've got somebody who's kind of injured, therefore you have to go out and get somebody. Or you're panicking in the sense of, we might get relegated. E-allegedly you can score some goals. And he will be able to score two or three. They're very probably, but if they think those two or three would make a difference. But you talked about this thing. And I showed you the one I do because all these players we've bought. The black ones are the ones who are allegedly worth more than we paid for them. And the red ones are the ones who are allegedly worth less than we paid for them. We've got to appreciate it and so on. And a lot of these are the woman on our bench, if they're lucky. If they're lucky, yeah. Not getting any near the 17. 18, whatever it is, if you count goalies and stuff. Or they're somewhere else, not pulling up trees. Unless the player was on your list anyway, and that's the striker you wanted, for example. And then for whatever reasons you can get him in January, you're not going to get him, are you? No, no. And the thing with Ganna Gay as well, that's part of it, I think. I'm not convinced, despite what the manager says around conditions and things like this, that if the right player had been available, we wouldn't have got them. Regardless of whether Ganna or somebody else was sold, so I don't think it's a sell to buy thing. It's just pragmatism. Well, that's what I wanted. We have a plan. Brands has a plan. I do know from when I met with Bill and Farhad last summer. They know who the guys they want to move on. And maybe, just maybe, as we should expect, some of those guys are playing in the first team. And they know they're not part of the future. And we've just been talking offline about one of them, I suppose. But, yeah, I just couldn't get all uptight about it, to be honest. I mean, I know people puff and they puff. But this is what, the lowest spend in a transfer. It's got to go down by a third. For a long time. You couldn't have much more an acute example of there's no value in the market. Could you really? Well, only a supposed Chelsea post. What makes Bash Yw I think he's worth? No, I know. Huge sums of money. And the answer to that is, if someone's desperate enough, they'll pay it. Yeah. In terms of the financial conditions. Cos I know I've seen a lot, particularly a few with the Redman, by the way. Come in, I use a skint, I've seen that. You've got all your money's blown, all your money's gone. And I've seen some of the fans. Is that why they didn't buy anyone? Is that why they've let fullbacks they probably need to go out and things like that? Well, listen, they are. It is what it is with them. But I've seen quite a few Everton fans as well. All being on social media. Stuff you go and really into meltdown. Others, the money's gone. There's no money in Bladi Bladi. Tens what you want to talk about with regard to definition of skint. Yeah. If you're spending more than you earn, you're skint. And we're spending more than we earn. So on that basis, call it skint if you want. So then that's when you turn to shareholders and benefactors and Mr Masherian. And that's happened for a couple of years now. He's backed up managers. Well, he's picking them, so he might as well back them. He might as well back them. So you get that as part of the challenge. And then you've got the legislation stuff. We've done it to death on business matters. It wasn't financial fair play. It's not sure to him cost control. It might be going forward, but it wasn't in this window. So it's just pragmatism. Don't throw more good money after that. Well, talking of bad, since farad Masheri came and he come in in March 2016, didn't he? So since the summit, we spent... That summit, we spent £26 million on Balasi. There's my list. OK. £20 million on Schneidlin. Yeah. How about you? £12 million on Williams. These are just what I've got down. OK. £8 on Luchman. £7.5 on Guy. I'm going to call the looming rising to £2 million. Stechlenberg, £9 under Crand. 2017, £44 million on Guilffy Sigurdtson. £25 on Keen. £25 on Pickford. £24 on Clasen. £20 on Genk Toton. I know you've got another model which we'll look at in a minute. £20 on Walcott. Blasit 9 on Ycurus. £7. Remedus, £5. And then this summer, £35. For Recharlers, £27 million at 18 Dean. These are on this. One of the websites says £5 million for Zermer, Lonefey. André Gomez, £2 million for Lonefey. They're all opinions. So, you know, we've spent a hell of a lot of money. We've recouped £50 million for John Stones. No way the Garen Gibson was £2 million, by the way, John. No way. It was about a million. Della Feu has gone up the door for £10 million. Lycagu, £90 million, when he's finished. Probably going to be over a hundred. If he won anything. If he won anything, yeah. Barclay, £15 million. Cledle, £8 million, that one and a half. McGeady, £250 million. You're rushing towards a net spend, are you? I'm just saying, yeah. Well, basically, yeah. I'm just saying that we have recouped. People talk about £300 million spent. But we have recouped more than £230 million or something. So, what isn't included in that quite often is obviously the wages, which you've gone on. You can do a very simple example then. Pick any four players you like off your list who add up to about £100 million in transfer fees. Okay, yeah. And then say, well, that's the look-at-the-money spent. Spent date, yeah. There's one wage gone out, four wages come in. Yeah, and that's the good way of looking at it. And that's where the issue is. It's as much as anything that's going to be around the wages. Particularly if you're not getting anything for those wages, i.e. the guy's trading, I don't know, was snadled in on the bench this weekend, I never noticed. But players like that, you just don't visualise getting anywhere near the team. And isn't that the problem that you've got? I think someone put it, it might have been the echo. I can't remember. Someone put it, I think, up of players who aren't playing. Costs us £1 million a week in wages. And they're not even in the 18. So that's straight off the bat shows you that something's got to be done. And this is what Marcel Brand has been tasked with. If there's a 20-man PL2 squad, they won't get paid. I saw the headline for the article. I don't recall reading it. But I mean, every time you see an attribute of salary for snadled in, it's always £120 a week and he's not on anywhere near that. So it's all guesswork. But the point is relevant, which is you look at the roster, but you look at the squads and you say, well, him and Joe cost us £25 a week. He's worth £3 million. He's never going to get anywhere near the team. Let's move him on. And that's what Brands will have done. So I think we'll anticipate more clear out, won't we? I mean, the other thing what people say is, just get rid. Well, you can't just get rid if no-one wants to buy them. What do they mean by just get rid? You know, say for argument's sake, we said, and I know you've just disputed the figure, but just say for argument's sake, we said, Sandro Ramirez and Morgan Snidlin are on £200,000 a week. Right between them? It's between them. People go, just get rid of them? Well, get rid of them where? They've both got contracts that say they think we have to pay them for five years. Well, Snidlin's got two and a half, I think, and Sandro's got three and a half. Now, if you're Sandro Ramirez, and the club comes, you haven't got, in Spain, all of us Sandro, you know, you look like a decent footballer, you know, we're interested in buying you. OK, how much? We can give you £20,000 per hand a week. Now, let's play it. Now, if you want to play football, you might go, you know what, back to Spain, I'll do well. I'll get to it being a club in Spain. But he might also look and go, I'm on £110,000 a week at Everton. I'm not taking the £90,000 drop. But the flip of that is, he doesn't go anywhere, and Everton pay the £120,000, £125,000, whatever he's supposed to be on. And that's when you have to do the sun, and say, well, we're not happy paying Ramirez £100,000 a week to play for some league or team, or whatever else he ends up. But it's better than paying him all of it. Now, I'm talking about the player himself, when people go just get rid of him. Well, he's not going to lose out. It's hard to just get rid of him. No, he's not going to lose out. No, no, but what I'm saying is, it's hard to get them out the door without a... You can only sell players when you've got a club knocking on the door going, I'd like to buy him. So it's easy to go, get rid of him, get rid of him, get rid of him, and that saves us. So you told me you started this off of Ashwai, you know? Yeah. Risk, that's what he was. Risk. So you're the player? Yeah. You're him now? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I'm in demand. I'm one of those players that gets better when I'm not playing. Of course. There's a lot of them. Because I... Baz says I've got good hold of play and I can score goals. You can, by the way. So he says I want £150,000. I want three-year contracts and transfer for you off the source outward Chelsea. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And then come the end of May, he's scored once, he's looked like a carthorse. Yeah. But he's settling in. Yeah. So he goes through a whole pre-season, you know, and he still doesn't score goals. Yeah. And you're stuck with him on £150,000 a week for three years, you know? We've got some of them. We have. You know? And that's why you can spend the money in having better off-the-field management. Yeah. Be at the board itself, the director of football, the scouts, the coaches, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. You know? And say, where do you spend your money? Where do you spend your money in a way that... Where's the most value, isn't it? Exactly. That's what it's about. Value. And where do you get the best return on investment? I mean, we're recording business matters tomorrow morning. And that's what we're part of what we're talking about. Okay. Where do you choose to spend your money? You know? And you'll have to spend it where you're going to get the best return. I mean, if I'm sticking money in a bank or a building society, I don't think, well, I like that one. I quite like that one because they've got a blue front door. You know? And they're giving me 1%, but that one down the street with the red door gives me 6%, which one I've got? That one, please. Yeah. So that's the absolute return. And then it's the risk. The 1% is guaranteed. The 6% isn't. You do all the bad things. You do all the bad things. And that's why the tosons of this world were big risks. Well, Cod. Risk. You know? And they were just two, but last January, you know? Nias was a risk. Yeah. Well, Nias was bullish by Martin, Martin as well. His scout and that, making his coaches told him to leave well alone. He still wanted it. So anyway, bottom line is that for me, not surprised at all, perhaps most fans shouldn't be surprised because most Premier League loves to do anything. No, no. And that's for a reason because the risk is too high. And if that's a financial risk, i.e. Bashway just wants lots of money. Yeah. Or whether it's a risk in the sense that they're unproven in this league or the like. But some of those risks can be real bluebirds, can't they? Of course. Because you can pick up a player and Mares has some money. Where the hell did they find him from? Bang on. You know, you've got a gem. But I suppose, I suppose, and you've already kind of said that anyway, if someone were to come up on Marcel Brands with a gun, he's, he's, we want him anyway. We can get him now because for whatever reason he wants out or when they're happy to sell whatever, we can get him now. Everton probably wouldn't make the play for him. I think we would have done. Yeah. I think, and the fact that we were not prepared to pay what either the player wanted or perhaps Chelsea wanted as a loan fee or a sale fee or whatever just means we have got an objective view that says, yeah, we'll have him if these conditions are right. And then I choose that word deliberately. Do you see what I'm doing there? Yeah. Because the manager says, we don't have the financial conditions. Everyone assumes that means with skin. It could just mean we want to buy that player but we raise him at 25 million and the selling club won 35 and we'll go right up and we'll go right up to one 43 seconds before the window closes to get the player we want and the price we want or we'll let it go. Well, Marcel Brand said in August, didn't he? He said, I'd rather go. I'd rather wait till the last day to get the right player than to get the wrong player a day early. And I suppose when you look at it like that again, it's such a balance. And it's this, it's not hard, is it? Looking at the sheet you've got there as well, it's not difficult to see that already he's trying to get hold of something that was in danger, a spiral on how to control before he come here because you look at Janak Balasi and for argument's sake, you know, we bought him. Was an odd purchase in the first place? Well, well, come on, like them, didn't you? You got him. But he bought him for, he was 27 pay, 25 million for him. Probably on good, well he is on good money. Got a terrible injury. Never quite been the same. But he's still got something in three years left on his deal or whatever or two years left, two and a half years left on his deal. So he's on big money. He's not going to play for us because we don't want him. So it's like that. It's like fans, you know, when all the ganas stuff's going on, you know, suddenly realising he's 30 in September. Whoa, didn't realise that. Yeah. And what he's got three years left. Would you have sold, John? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think I would have done to be honest. 35 million euros would some add on to make you feel better. Yeah. Because you just think. And I think the club would have solved the right amount. Yeah. But sometimes when the clock goes BONG Windows closed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So whether, you know, they'll come back in the summer, who knows, but they clearly still need that kind of player. But I think that's good sign in some respects. Yeah. When you go back to we are skint. Yeah, yeah. Don't be the shoulder whatever. You know, if we really, really, really had a player, we wanted to buy in January and he wanted to come to us and it was just sitting there waiting for us to get some money because we sat there with his stuff down his box. I'm not doing it. Yeah. Ghana would have gone, wouldn't he? Would have, yeah. So we didn't have a player that we definitely wanted to bring in and it wasn't sell to buy because we would have sold if we'd wanted to buy. And I guess most players, let's say players, most fans, because I think Ghana's one of those because of the passing sometimes when he gives the ball away, he can easily alienate players but I think he, you know, makes the plays tick when he's around and stuff like that. And I know some of my fans would have watched this have a contrary review. Yeah. But we would have thought if we let him go because he wanted to fund a striker coming in, fans would have said, yeah, it makes sense because we definitely need a striker and there are all those who can go in the team. So I think it was just, they've got a plan. Brands has got a plan. Whether he's allowed to execute without interference though, that's the key. Don't say that, John. Don't put that doubt out there. No, but I think, I think it does make sense, I think. I think I tweeted or maybe it was a DM to somebody. I said something like, brand's asked to end his two million. I'm ashamed he's to keep his nose out. Yeah. Because your, your power for had is you recruit and hire and fire people who are specialists. Yeah. So to point a man on a couple of million quid a year and then not give him actually the authority to make the decisions. And maybe the work, can't we say, let's get him. Let's get him. Brands is going down. Wrong. Wrong time. No, but that's, I suppose, but that's what. And play it, managers will always say yes. Of course they will. To extra choice, you know. You've got the opportunity to have a player that you think will improve you, even if it's slightly. You're going to say yes, thanks, aren't you? You know, and maybe Brands saying, well, he will make us better now, but this fellow who I've got my eye on in the summer makes it is another level and for a fraction of the ways. I know, his profile's kicking. Well, he spoke about, he spoke about having lasano, didn't he? And the start of the window and he was like, yeah, if the price is 25 million, yeah? You know, because we can get him and his wages will be, his wages will be a good wage for us. His wage, say like compared to, say it's like for like for Theo Wolcott, right? So we can get, say we sell Theo Wolcott in the summer to Salvanton for 10 million, whatever. And he goes there and, you know, we move back to where he starts, a plan on the plan, runy, the turn home and all that. And that 120 grand a week that Theo's on is off our wage bill. And we pay 35 million for Haven lasano, but he comes in on 50 grand a week. Well straight away, we've got a younger model who plays in that position. And B, we've more than half these wages. Was the TCL that counts anyway? So it's the aggregate cost? Yes, all of it. So the total cost of ownership is going to be the transfer fee amatised over the contract and what you pay in it. And what you pay in it as well. And, you know, and that's, I think I did a blog thing. I did about one every year or something. And I did one around when Lukaku was going. We could have given him huge sums of money and people would go, wow, that's ridiculous. And Sanchez, United States, for example. But it would be costing less than a bodish replacement. It would come to replacement. You know, because it makes the sums easy. If Richardlason cost us 50 million, he's costing us a few hundred grand a week for the transfer fee. And if we're paying him 50 grand a week, because he's another young play, he's costing us a quarter of a million a week. Yeah, yeah, over the contract. But if you could go and get a world-class striker on a Bosman and paying 250 grand a week, I'm sure there'll be some fans out there saying that's ridiculous. But it's the same thing. At the end of the day, it's all money, isn't it? That's what it costs. When it's on the spreadsheet, you know, it might have amatisation or wages written next to it, but the number at the bottom, you know, it's still the same. And when you do that list, you were talking about you going through your list and this is Dominic King's one, isn't it? Yeah, so go on, go through. So this is an article that appeared Dominic King had written for the Daily Mail and it was basically missed. Hate to do it. A game you can play. So Davy Clason, £25 million from Ajax. He's a miss. Called to Dominic King. Would we agree with that? We would. Michael King, £30 million, didn't cost £30 million. He's a jury's out still. Would you agree with that? Jury's out towards hit. Yeah, I think he's done well. Michael King's been good this season. I think at times, like all of our centre backs, he looks ropey. I think he's one of them that if you put a leader next to him, and I don't know who that is, but if we had a centre back of who's like a leader, I think he'd be sad, Michael King. I agree. If he doesn't have to think, I think he's better, cos I don't think he's an organiser. Job in Pickford, again, £30 million. Again, I haven't had to go for the price, £130 million. £20 million, really? He's a hit, isn't he? 100%. Wayne Rooney was a hit. On here, I suppose he played for the season, he was at a top scorer, and we got rid of him. Yeah. So... It's not bad business. You know? Flashage is bound as a miss. Jury's out. £9 million. I think it's Jury's out. He's done OK, whether we've seen or we don't know. Henry on your Q-root is down as a miss, but... Jury's out. Yeah, I don't think you can call that a miss because he's not done anything. I don't know, but he's got closer to being able to play in this league, though, so you might argue he's a miss because... Well, he's played five times when I was here in the last season. He's been in this while he's played Champions League, so he'll get away with it. It'll be OK. Yeah. Sandro Ramirez, miss, £5 million from Michael. He'll get 100% miss. Cuckamarty in it was free, but he was a massive miss. Guilfee Sigarton, £45 million. He's got him down as a Jury's out. I would agree. Jury's out. Why are you on miss, are you? I'm not on miss. It's somewhere between the Jury's out and hit for me, like the middle between them. That's why I pause because... Yeah, because I think... I know he's not playing well at the moment and I'd have no issue dropping him now. He needs to be dropped. Yeah, I think so to give him to refocus on that almost. But I think he's had some really good moments. He's got nine goals. I've seen something, and it's something I've thought about. There's even an argument for playing him up front at the moment. People might laugh at that, but I thought when he played up front for Andre then Leon last year, and I thought he was magnificent. Held it up well, laid it off well. The thing about him is he can score goals. So what he's struggling with at the moment is the physical side of the game, isn't he? Yeah, so that might be an issue, but I just think he needs dropping it down. Anyway, Theo Walcott missed 20 million. Caps a lemon on that one, yeah. Is it? Okay, yeah. I mean, he had a good few months, and he's just not done that. He's done what he's done for 10 years. Flashes to deceive, yeah. Did you try him up front? I actually said that at the weekend. It couldn't do any worse, could you? No, last season as a striker for that, he got 23 goals. Yeah, yeah. Worth a go, everyone else is at the go. Jen Towson, 27 million, jury out on this. Tries hard, but doesn't score enough. I don't think he does try hard. I just don't think we create anything for him, and he's a penalty box centre for all of them. Yeah, yeah. I'm not sure his star would. No, I just shoot it, yeah. If the Charleson hit, yeah, 44 million, I'm only near that yet. Made a bright star, but needs consistency, would you agree with that? I think it's a bit harsh. Strike rate one and two. Yeah, yeah. So that's not bad. I think he's got four goals less than Salah, hasn't he? Yeah, yeah. He's got four goals, yeah. In a party. In a poor side. Lucardine hit 100%, 80 million from Barson, or she did. Yeri mean it. 28 million. Look, so I have the tools, the jury is out on this one. I think what you do with Yeri mean it is, when he's fifth, you just play him. Cos he can keep playing it. We bought him, just play him till the end. You just go, you're it, I play. When they're all fit, I play for these centre backs till the end of the season. So would I. I would build the supporters that I'm actually thinking about changing this cos it's not working. It gives the supporters a bit more confidence. Bernard is a jury's out. I'd go hit. I'd say hit. I think he's fantastic. I think he needs to score cos he doesn't score enough go beyond what he's scored in the Premier League, but I think technically he's fantastic. And he's free. A lot of our best stuff comes from Bernard. It does. So care to you mate, jury's out. You join the dots there and say you leave him out to play World Cup. Yeah. Yeah. Let's move on swiftly to you. Care to you mate, jury's out. What have you made to the jury mate? I don't know. It's cliched isn't it. He's one of those who when he's on his game you think crikey. You can see why Chelsea has spent all that money at the young age did it. And then when he he falls over his own feet and says, I stand wide, he loan him on. Yeah, exactly right. So he's always got that. So jury's out. Yeah, definitely. I think it I mean there's not dissimilar from a physical stability. He can fall over his own feet as well. I think two of them and a back three All three of them will play better with the leader but I don't know who the leader is. That's right. The whole team lacks leaders. Massively. And then Andre Gomez is a hit here. Fan favourite, blessed with terrific ability. Yeah. Has he been a hit? I think he's the top end of jury's out. Okay. I think. How great did he look for half an hour at the weekend and then disappeared disappeared. I mean in terms of that, so over there, over them ones did a major signing since 2017. More missed than hits. Yeah. I think that's a fair assessment. Probably. Yeah. So again, that shows you that Marcel Brands is you know, the task of what I would say is since Brands come in and the majority of his signings have not rolled them. The top end of jury's out to hit. I think so. Would you say he's a hit for now to hit? Andre Gomez, top end of jury's out to hit. Yeah. K2 met, all right, bit of both. Because this thing I did, which we were talking about before and so you can't see it, but all this is, is taking those players, much of those and more and just saying what were they reported as having cost us and what do the CIS observatory in Switzerland do all they value players? OK, yeah. What do they think they're worth now? Right, OK, yeah. And whether logically, you've made or lost money. Yeah. And if I just read out the name, I'll just read out the names of the ones who are apparently worth less now than we paid for them. OK, yeah. Neas, Clasen, Williams, Mina, Schneidlin, Sigudson, Balasi. OK. Which are the ones who are worth more than we paid for them? Yeah. Richarlison, Pickford, Bernard, Gay, Buckman, Dean, amazingly for me anyway, Walcott, Sandro. Yeah. OK. But those last two are right on the cusp, aren't they, between worth more, because I read them in the order. Yeah, yeah. So the biggest profit viewer to sell him would be Richarlison, who's apparently worth getting on for 70 million quid now or something. Yeah, usually. So we destroyed the market, you know, over paying for him, didn't we? And he's the one who's switched off for the most value. Yeah. And those players, or the way CIS do it anyway, if any of them play for the top six team, they don't be worth more. Yeah. Because it's who you play for, influences as well, how old you are, how long the contract is. Yeah. But there are two categories there. There's like pre and post brands as well. There is, yeah. Or you might say... So on Marcel... Post Walsh. Yeah. God, yeah. So on Marcel Brands then, I think we're saying at this moment in time, he's been a hit if we're going to use Dominic King. He's out, I think. Jory's out. OK. And the same. So far in terms of what he's bought. Cos he's only just got here, hasn't he? Who he's got out. So if we're trusting them, if we're trusting Marcel Brands, yeah, the manager's receiving a little bit of flack at the moment. And to be fair, rightly so, because you judged on results and evidence results are nowhere nagled enough. I mean, three wins and 12 isn't pretty reading for anybody. Sorry about it. Yeah. Right? But Marcel Brands was key in this appointment. He was. So, so do we just, is it just time for everyone to go listen? And I know this is hard, cos we're all, we're all raw, and we're all pissed off with what we've seen lately. But do we, do we just need to take a step back and go, let's just leave it and trust them brands? Or, I mean, where do you lie with the manager, John? As well, we're on it. I don't have to step back as I'm already standing over there. Yeah, yeah. To my mind, we tried to summarise it. We would say that we pursued a manager. Yeah. Clearly there's going to be people who watch this who would say, well, I didn't want him in the first place. Yeah, of course. But entitled to that, of course. Exactly right, yeah. So when you're in the shall we get rid of the manager? Yes or no? It's almost like... It's an easy yes. Yeah, it's almost like when you do opinion polls about whether it's Brexit or leaders of labour or Tory parties or whatever it might be. You've got it for the context, haven't you? Yeah. So, actually it's dominated by ones who didn't want him in the first place. Yeah. That has an influence. If you can find someone who thought he's a young manager, he's a good coach, which apparently he is, players like him, which apparently they do and all that good stuff. And if that's going on in hard times, then you get into what we see isn't necessarily what he is. Yeah. Because again, we only see the players on the field at the weekend. We only see the manager on the touchline and when he's a press conference. Yeah. Whether he can be coached and a bit more buoyant and a bit more upbeat or whatever. And how much that influences. Let me pause you there then because I want to ask you about this because this is something peds really. Is it? He's really on it. On it. On it. He's just not happy with it all with Marko Silver's demeanor in terms of when he's doing a press conference or... I'm not sure about what he's like on the touchline as such, but his press conferences and stuff. Now, what you all take on that in terms of his press conference does should he be a little bit more? I think what we see is, you know, I'm not anarchish enough to go back and say well, what was his first press conference like back in August when they're all blue-eyed and bushy-tailed. It's... Obviously. Yeah. And if he's not really changed, it's the way he is, isn't it? Yeah. You know? But if he's got more dower, less could express or display and project more confidence. Yeah. Yeah. You know? You hear people and everyone knows who they are. Some people can watch his press conference and read it completely different from somebody else. Of course, yeah. You know? He's evading the answers, the questions or he's answering them but you don't like the answer and all that sort of stuff. So I think we might have to suffer he is what he is. That's the type of person that he is. I try to remember when he was Watford's manager, when he was Hull's manager, he's softly spoken, sort of miserable sort of speaker, isn't he, really? But maybe he's different round, you know, round the training ground and the like. As far as his position's concerned, he's been around not very long. The place has inherited is a bit of a mess and I think it's harsh to blame him. Clearly he's got faults. Yeah. Of course. But when people all corral around, get rid of the manager and all will be resolved. Well, that's rubbish. Yeah. And there is that conundrum of in brands we trust, but we don't trust the man he picked. So, you know what I mean? So I think he needs to be given time. I saw something that was talking about the Arsenal manager. Was it the Arsenal manager? Emilia. Yeah, saying he needs four to five transfer windows to fix that. To fix it, yeah. But we're supposed to have one and a half in a lesser squad with lesser history, lesser buying power. From a team that's played 23 years out of 24 in the Champions League? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so we always see others and it's okay over there, but it's not okay over here. I just think like other managers. I mean, Aledais was a case in point as well from how he communicated with the media when he was the manager and didn't change and you talked before about he could have taken the blocks off and perhaps he'd still be here if that was the case. If he proved he wasn't just a man who can organise a defence. Yeah. But they just need advice and help and I do think the manager in general would benefit from advising guidance from people around him if they're able to give it. If they're able to. I totally agree. I also think that it wouldn't do his cause any harm in terms of with the supporters because I think one of the things and I've said this on I don't know whether I said it on our show or it was on another football show yesterday. The moonlighting of it. Gollastig on this other one. When Marco Silva has to remember and I think few managers forget this that when you're given an interview or a press conference you're not talking to the reporter. The reporter doesn't care what you're saying. He's getting his 400, 500 words for the typo and that's it. You're talking to the fans and I think sometimes football managers forget that. So if there's a little bit of frustration and groundswell of like he hasn't got a clue what he's doing or blah, blah, blah. I think and again this this comes back to someone at Everton and I know they watch so if you're enchanted that maybe this is what you should consider. I think he should do a sit-down interview with Everton, not with anyone else, with Everton TV whether it be Darren Griffiths or someone else where he just explains his vision. Right? So he'll talk about his own remark on for five minutes and he'll go it's not right at the moment quite clearly. It's not right because we're letting goals in so we have to work on that. It's summer transfer plans. We've identified four or five positions that way we really want to go after and that's what we're working towards and then you set out a vision then to the supporters that you've got a plan and yet we know it isn't perfect and it isn't working the way I want it to work at the minute but this is all part of it because I think if Everton do what Everton do which is when it's great it's great and they're all out but there's many social network videos and there's everything else. You've got to use the words radio silence. Radio silence whenever we lose which is what they do they bunker down it creates more of a frustration within the fan base and fans are rightly pissed off they're right listen people accuse me of protecting Malcolm Silver but it's not so much protecting them it's just I keep looking and thinking if we get rid of him and all his backroom staff if he brought in another eight that's another 20 million quid like him and say gone and you mentioned it before but still paying three managers who've contracted only just finishing this summer Cumin, Mark, there's another this and then it'd be Silver we start again then do they want them kind of players that he's got now and the whole thing of the director of football is it should because that's the point that is the point that the director of football is the man who determines what the squad is clearly has to do it in concert with the manager it's not as acute as there's 25 players get on with it because ultimately the manager can say I don't care that you've given me way in Rooney I'm playing him I've seen that happen with other clubs exactly right but they're always in some respects exceptions that prove the rule anyway but yeah who would you bring in as the new manager and that's the thing for me who you bring in he brings all his staffing as well and I just think if I'm a manager and I'm doing okay in a look at Everton and I think I'm doing alright here and you want me to come to your club potentially it's fantastic getting a new stadium there's money there to spend players, great fan base but if I can get six months why am I going to go there if I don't get it right in the first five or six months I'm going to be gone so you talk about Silver sitting down and doing almost like five minute segways on a range of subjects which clearly he can do in a few hours with Darren or whoever and they can push him out every week here's another five minute masterclass from whatever well just to sell himself as look I know what we're doing just get the director of football to do it or brands, yeah or myself but me and Pedsett this the other week about addressing the supporters about the atmosphere now I get it the team needs to play their part fans can only do so much but as a fan the only thing and I said this to you off camera my mutual the only thing you can influence is the noise you can't influence the game because you're playing but the fans also deserve something back now I do I don't know about you but I didn't walk out of Goddweswn Park on Saturday and think the lads give everything they had there I looked and thought they didn't they didn't give everything they had because Wolves did Wolves cared about keeping that ball out of there now Do you know sometimes when things are so shocking not just football but generally you find yourself saying something and you hear it when everyone else hears it because it just comes out because it's out and two or three, four seconds before they score the third goal it just squirts it out of my mouth do they not care because I'm watching players they've given up they're going to score I'm just going to stand here and I'm just going to watch it happen and it just came out I didn't think it and then say it it just came out I was me at Millwall me after Millwall that's crazy so the flip side of give the manager and all that good stuff is that they see it as well the guys in the director's box and the lady in the director's box they see it as well and they're part of the they're either part of the problem or part of the solution the board the infamous the board and the board now includes the director of football which is great it's a tick sort of thing but the point being if we have a plan so we have a transfer strategy plan and we've got these players we need whatever then presumably that's that they are tasks which have been allocated on the basis of a next level up plan that says for example how we're going to play so if you take a very simplistic one and I don't know I don't coach people anymore and if I do they don't listen from a footballing point of view but if we say we're going to play three at the back and we're going to do zone on marking then clearly when we're looking at buying players we buy players that fit in to how we want to play and if we make Marco run the whole of the footballing side from top to bottom which includes the academy there's going to be one shake out there isn't there in the summer from a coaching and leadership point of view because it needs to happen Do you think it will? It should happen and maybe that's the first challenge of walking the talk that Marco has sorry, that Marcel has or Michael has someone kept referring to him on the radio Michael Brands Daddy's got to do that and then everybody knows what the plan is we're going to play like this because these things do not happen overnight there's always a guardian that will prove that's rubbish but comes with a reputation that people just do as he says because of who he is but age groups right the way through all play in the same way everyone knows this we all listen to it, don't we? that's the right way but that means you've got to know what it is identity and if you come up with a plan and you believe in the plan why wouldn't you share it? so it's almost like when you've just conceded a goal as we may perceive we have because we persist being called the manager arrogant stubborn whatever zonal markings the root of all evil that's when you push the five minute out that says why we're doing it why we're doing it and why it's the right answer and if we've not got it quite right yet we're conceding goals because where were they we had a couple of years ago drove them all in their box and we'll score they conceded I think it was 21 in what clops first season from set pieces now we've got the best in Europe not conceding from them they have a goal that concedes goals from like three fourths of the shots he gets so the trick is don't have the shots and that's where you get into it's a team game and all that sort of stuff but your real question is the manager and he's apparently I don't know because I've never met him yet he's a good coach and the players are clearly doing as they were told when we were on a good run so when you're on a bad run you change and that's why you get all that when all about them are losing their heads you know Richard the king, shaky all that sort of stuff that's what it's about and now that's perceived as being stubborn because you're passing through a difficult alleyway where there's people chucking stuff at the stones at you but the promise lands that bright light down there so if the director of football and the manager fundamentally agree on things like we're going to do zonal, we're going to do this style of play, when it's pressing whatever they've decided then they've got to demonstrate that confidence to players and the owners let's call them both the owners even though they're not all shareholders but call them the owners and if they believe then they've got to project it out to us and that's why I think doing something like a sit down where there is in segments can help them because but we're not great, that sort of stuff that segment stuff you're talking about you can do it with the national media we treat the national media and indeed the local media for that matter I guess almost as do we have to talk to them again we don't get hung up on the NSNO thing but we're going to have a press conference do it you've got the state a lot again we've talked offline if you're going to wait on in a restaurant be the best waiter or waitress you have to do it so we're going to have a press conference which we have to have every Thursday make it for our benefit we're doing it because we have to make it for our benefit what message do we want to get out there who do we want to project it to and if the answer to that question is what do the fans want to hear so let's give them what they want and occasionally they have to get some medicine which might be boys and girls I know you're not necessarily all totally behind zone of marketing but it's the future and we're going to keep doing it so we get it right but that doesn't mean in-game management and stuff means that we won't flip backwards and forwards with man to man because if a fellow runs past you you go with him excuse me that's someone else's zone it's basic isn't it and I think that's the thing at the moment as people will quickly point it because of that we can see the player is actually stuck to I need to defend this anyway you run with the player and that's right and I don't know because we're not there are we but ultimately it's all about communication presumably the best communicating coach out there is isn't it and if he can get across to individual players exactly what's expected of you and then it all gets joined together and you don't befuddle their brains you can have analysis paralysis of course you can oh Richie you do this when you do that, shame if you do that and they're both standing there going what's shame is doing that and him and I are just walking through so keep it simple stupid type stuff but too early it's a mess we're just players on there we didn't even discuss how many of them could play in the style of play that can walkot no can Bernard yes so why are you picking walkot then manager is that influenced from somewhere who knows so be confident believe in yourself and at least if you do go down you go down with your integrity intact and you've done what you think is the right thing and that's where the director of football comes in cos he should sit down and go you know what I don't think it is the right thing anymore let's discuss and suppose that's the thing isn't it we've got a Marcel Blanders he's six months in or whatever we've got to trust him because he's on the board and he's driving I suppose he's driving the ship now isn't he so we're staying the ship and hopefully staying it into calmer, more stable and more successful and there's a man with a big spreadsheet we've got to cut the wages we've got to swim that squad back and get players in who actually can do the job not players who and you mentioned it before some of these players will be players who play in the team you get to the summer everything might go we're letting you go because we've identified this player over here it could be Michael Keane, it could be Guilffy Sigurd and who knows, it could be any of that it's funny isn't it, you can have players like that use Keane if he's a jury's out type and you think well he's just let's be negative meandering towards a free transfer isn't he, right now this second you would say the most likely outcome right now for him might be I don't know where they stand, five years was it five years okay but if he becomes not the right kind of player then he becomes another problem doesn't he it's a lot to deal with and it's a lot to sort out and I think the problem that we have as fans and rightly so if you've been starved that much and it's not it's a real thing you go to football you want to see your team win and everything have done and I suppose this is what the pointless thing was was brought up is that for so long are they right for so long we haven't affected anything and I suppose that every year that goes by that just cranks up a little bit more with people and timescales become shorter because you want evidence because I think we all want to get behind something, we all want to go we're moving in the right direction we're playing great football but we can see where we're going to challenge him to get into the champions and we might win an FA Cup now and we might and we keep wanting to get on that horse and someone keeps knocking us off it so where's the off-field plan the off-field plan where is the communication plan it's rhetorical this we've been waffling where is the plan that says let's give the fans what they want now actually giving the fans what they want which is success and we think we've done the right thing we've got Mr Brands, you're going to sort that aren't you Marcel yes I am, yes I am but that's just one strand and the players themselves will often say the fans make a difference so what can we do as a football club to get the fans all pulling together to get them boisterous and noisy and the ground's full but I've fed up listening to the opposition's fans saying this is a library or you're supposed to be at home you've got damn things and seeing the distinct difference between that when we go away and we're singing it to them so if you haven't got a plan to sort that out, why not and then there's revenue streams how do we expand that extract more money from the people as well because they turn into assets on the field ultimately because that's the only reason for generating money so it's not that easy and one of the things I say to people is is what we're seeing are symptoms you have to ask yourself whether they're the cause and they're not so is the manager the cause of the on-field problems that we have that's not binary yes or no it's clearly it's about the old offside thing that wasn't interfering with what you're on the field for so if you're not influencing it in some way Marco then what you're here for so he's part of it he's part of the problem but if the majority of the problem is something else then you've got to treat the cause not the symptom and the whole football club has challenges everything from not generating commercial income to stadium thing has to happen to blah blah blah and hopefully the chief executive has got a grip on all that and perhaps the chief executive can come out and talk to us and tell us what what the real vision looks like the stuff that goes on in parallel to what Marcel is doing because if you look at our board the people who are going to make the difference are Denise Ryzansef and Marcel they are it they are the core of the business and they're the ones who can make the difference and all become superheroes or they themselves over time become victims don't they so interesting times big thanks to John you can catch John on Everton Business Matters podcast make sure you check it out at Exxon for more business stuff thank you very much John thank you very much very informative as always let us know what you think are you happy with the way I know you're not going to be happy with results obviously but are you happy with the fact that Marcel Brand seems to have a plan in place on the grip on the finances and getting players out and cutting the wage bill to help us so the old prune and thing isn't it cut back for bigger growth or do you still think everton should have gone and blew money in the transfer mark who knows who knows there you go if you haven't subscribed please do show off your more videos get over to Peyton thanks for watching