 Is there a healthy way to be, at any point when you were single and sex workers and whatever, I don't know what you were up to exactly, but was it ever, could it be healthy? Is there a healthy way to want to have sex once a day in a potentially different way? You know, I think it is if both people are cool with it. Like- With sex workers, you would assume that they're cool with it, right? Or do you have a different opinion? I've always had good experiences with sex workers, but I fall in love quickly. Like I've always really liked them and like I find them fascinating and love talking to them and spending time with them. But I couldn't, in the marriage, I couldn't go out and do that because then I won't come back. Like I know I haven't cheated. Like if I watch porn sometimes, I wanna jerk off, I'll look at Twitter, there's a million videos, but I haven't gone into where I always went which was to cheat because I can't come back from that. So I always know that no matter how fucked up I think, I have not done that with my wife. With everyone else, I did it. I've cheated. But even if you're not cheating, let's say you're single, you're not committed to anyone emotionally, do you think that there's a healthy way to do, even to just a different sex worker every night and is, and even like the fascination part where you're connecting with them. You could convince me that that's as healthy as anything. If you're doing it every, chances are, if I'm doing anything every day that I really don't need to do, chances are it's feeding some sort of addiction. So I guess by default, it can't be healthy. Right, I guess it, okay, let's say you, your body, you have the kind of body that likes to have one orgasm a day, give or take. What if you did it with a sex worker? Yeah, I mean, as long as you know, I would always find the same person and see them over and over and over. New people, sure, but you know, I always like seeing the same person over and over, but I guess that could be healthy as long as there's two people doing what they wanna do. Like with sex work, the thing that's scary is, how do I know? And I never thought of this growing up, I didn't know it. And then as you get older, you go, how do I know she wants to do this? How do I know she's cool with this? And then it starts to really bother you. So you just see people whose story you know. And I know people will go, you never know people's story. Yeah, you do sometimes. If you know someone for five, six years, you have a pretty good understanding of their situation and their life. So as time went on, it narrowed down to a very, very smaller group of people who I knew. And it just became easier that way. We knew each other. I was comfortable with them. I knew they were comfortable with me. But a different sex worker every day, I don't think I've ever done that. I've done it in addictive mode. I've done three in a day when I was in a manic state. And what do you, what's the point of that? Meaning when you say you're, literally you had a, you were having a manic episode and it was just, you, you wanted that. It's fighting the urge. It's tremendous depression or self-hatred. And you're just trying to keep the high going. It's addiction. And it's like, you know, I remember when Nikki and I broke up at one point, I was actually here in LA and I saw three, three, and there were all sex workers I had known for years. But I saw one and then me and her was fighting the phone and I ran over to someone else's apartment and I came back and I did the, it was just anything to keep me from crashing and then just being alone. Like a lot of it is you just don't want to be alone. You just don't want to come down and say like, this is my life. It's the thing about sexual energy. It's all fantasy. The feeling is not normal. You're literally giving yourself more dopamine. So it is a bit of like a dream state. So why, it's like alcohol or alcohol or what, any addiction, it's just, you kind of know what you're going to get and it's predictable. Yeah. And I was bent on, I mean, it was real, like I had zero regard for myself. Like people know that like sexual behavior is selfish. Well, hey, you're just thinking to yourself, I'm not even thinking about myself. I don't give a fuck about myself. Like I'm not protecting myself. I put myself in that situation. Right, there's like the self is not anywhere near. Yes, I hate my, I'm trying to avoid myself. I'm not doing this because I think I'm terrific. Yeah. And you're not getting, you're not getting much from it. You're not getting like status. You're not getting like, see this, see how sexy I am. Yeah. Paying people. It's, yeah, it is crazy. I mean, but again, a lot of, a lot of. But that thing you said about doing things for the right reason, because I've tried to write jokes about it and I never, they're never good enough. But if like, let's say strippers are all, they're all molested, they're all, so they're all there for the wrong reason. I don't know many comics that are there for the right reason. Right. What's the, tell me the difference. Yeah. And if you, if I always look at it like, when, you know, people can't have it, you can't say, hey, people should have their own agency if they, people want to throw those words around. And yet when someone makes decisions they don't like, they're like, oh, they're being victimized. Yeah. I don't know the difference sometimes. And I would like to know the difference because that really fucked with me after a while. I'm like, I can't do this if I don't know the difference because I just don't want to contribute to somebody else's demise. Yeah, exactly. It's like go to strip club. It's like supporting sex trafficking on the one hand. And then on the other hand, it's like, I don't know, we all got to work. That's just the best way they could find to make money and or take the sexual attention part. We're getting perverse attention on perverse attention. It's not maternal or it's not from our family and it's not from our spouse or partner. So is that bad attention? Yeah, I never know. Like strip clubs I actually never really liked but just because it was so, you know, you just, I knew where it was going to go nowhere. Like even in my delusion, I knew that was, I mean, there's too many beautiful women. There's too many guys with money. Like I don't stand a chance here. If I was, if I was, you know, if you're David Lee Roth fine, but I never liked strip clubs for that reason. But I've dated a few strippers and, you know, I mean, they were like no different than anybody else. They were making money. They were making a lot of money. And the women I've known were fine doing it. Yeah, well, that's the thing. But that's what you're saying, like critics would say like, no one's fine doing it. That's also, that's critics. And some critics would be, there are people that don't want to do it. You're right. But to say that no one's enjoying it or no one wants to do sex work is basically saying that if they make a moral decision that I find objectionable, then it can't be legitimate. It couldn't possibly. And how bad did the sex addiction, was there a bottom of the sex addiction or was there? You know, when you're using sex, like you're using any other drug, when you're using it, and it's not just with other people, I mean, most of my stuff was with pornography and these hours of edging and jerking off and numbing yourself. I mean, you're doing it for the wrong reason. The bottom is basically that you're just languishing in this place where there's no connection with people. There's no, it's always like, I realize, it's funny. There's an example like, what sex addiction is this? Dr. Drew had a show. He did all the alcohol shows, but you don't know about sex addiction. And there was a drummer and I don't remember what band he was from. But he said that he was in this rehab and he, for sex. And he goes, you know, the last time I spoke to my mother, I rushed her off the phone so I could masturbate and she died. And that was the last conversation you ever had with his mother. But he didn't know, but he just wanted to get back to jerking off. And I thought, that's what sex addiction is. That's what it is. It's not always the things you read about or that you hear about on the news or guys getting busted with prostitutes or all of these. It's the way that you short change people in your life. The moments you lose with people that you never realize, like the hours and the years you waste with people who don't care about you, who you don't care about, the risk you put your partner at. You know, there's weird, that to me summed up what addiction is though. It's like you rushed your mother off the phone so you can just get back to jerking off. Your priority is just getting to that weird state instead of just like a good- Having a nice conversation with your mother. And I've never stopped thinking about that weird little moment. And I've gone to meetings for sex addiction, which helped tremendously. I mean, I still have a sponsor. And he always says, go make memories with your wife. Go make memories with Nikki. And I think about that a lot. I love looking back at our old photos and videos. And I'm like, yeah, this is what I'm doing. I'm making memories with my wife. This is better than anything sexual I'm gonna do. But I still fall into the porn sometimes. Do you have a limit? Like do you have a rules? Do you have a rules for yourself? No, because again, I know I'm just gonna, I'm looking at different things and then one will hit me. It's like just, you know what I mean? That little search you do on porn, all of a sudden you find the one and you lock in. It's in the atmosphere. It's in the air. It's like a joke. You're searching and you're reaching for it without looking. And then there it is and you have it. And that's the wording. That's how it is with porn. I'm looking through this one and that one and that one. I look at a lot of Escort websites in England of girls I'm never gonna see. That's so funny. I mean, it's so funny that somehow you were like, let's check England. I do, yeah. And there's some great, great trans sex workers in England. But I just look and I'm never gonna go and do it. It also is kind of safer because I know they're not people who like an access. I can just look at the pictures and the things they write. 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