 Rather than the drip, drip, drip. That means it's time. It's time. Yeah. Let's be just there. Yeah, 330 on my block. Okay. Well, mine is still at the middle of two behind, but we'll see. We'll see. We'll call our meeting to order. We will all stand. And we're bringing the Pledge of Allegiance at Pledge of Allegiance in compliance with the United States of America and to the Republic to which it stands. Foundation, nation, God, they're going to be feasible to this injustice in the law. I'm going to turn my back on you guys because the Pledge is across the street so I can look out the window. All right. So we will call our meeting to order. First item on the agenda after the Pledge is approval of the minutes from our January 18 meeting. So the motion to approve. So moved. I second it. Chair votes aye. All in favor? I guess all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All right. All right. Next on the agenda, financial reports. But remind the board members that as Lisa's closing out the year end, we have limited financials available. But we do have sort of billing for January 2021. And you can see the quarterly metered billing is up as well as the monthly billings that are shown on the report. Most of that is due to the change in rates. Cash reserve figures you can see that's about where expected to be at the end of 2020 heading into January 2021. We don't have any additional comments there. A good portion of that though is set up in reserves. Yes. In restricted funds. Okay. We need a motion to approve the vouchers. We've already done that with our signatures, correct? Yeah. I would request a motion on that, Sherry. I would so move. Second that. In moved and seconded. All in favor say aye. Aye. All right. Moving on. Go ahead, Joe. Well, for the yeah, no further report on financial for the superintendent's report. I'll start with construction maintenance and distribution. We had a total of six water main breaks in January. Mostly on six inch water mains older mains. One was on a four inch 18 here on avenue. That would be a very old main four inch substandard size. So the crew is very active in January and that's continued in February. They were out over the weekend several times as well. Some hybrid work associated with one of those main breaks. We did the aid in installing the second wholesale water meter on the new Aurora hospital site. The water utility owns the water meter, the meter pit and associated controls are owned by the village of Kohler, a wholesale customer. We did have a staff member who was inspecting the water main installed in the stone broke subdivision on the far south end of the town east of highway OK. We actually have a large main going in there for an east west transmission and also all our main serving the subdivision itself. Otherwise, I would report in operation we'll go through the monthly January report. We pumped a little less water than we did a year ago no real explanation 4% less this January compared to last January. Water temperatures in the lake water were a little warmer than usual, I wouldn't say warm, but warmer we did not have to go into the winter operational mode in January because the water temperatures were normally above 33 degrees. That's our cutoff when we see a temperature below that we go into what we call winter ops mode and that helps reduce the chance of fragile ice build up. But we did not have to do that in January, which is a little bit unusual. Otherwise, unusual to report for January do have the detail maintenance maintenance list to review the typical variety of different work to keep the plant up and running. One small element that pops up we've been installing a lot of new LED lights as we can. Those I think we're all aware of those have become very efficient but also very effective lighting we're using a lot of those in the plants now as well. And I think you also have the annual operation report for 2020 versus 2019. There's a lot of information there. Basically, 2020 we pumped less water than in 2019 and that affects most of the extent numbers and other numbers of course our use of raw materials like electricity, natural gas, chemicals was all down because we pumped a little less water. One interesting there's a pie chart showing that for our production expenses electricity is about half of our expenses including natural gas and chemicals. Otherwise on the annual report I won't go into too many more details but you can review that as you would want to. And then customer relations and fiscal CR and and we have not we did go into winter ops mode but we have not seen any icing. We are aware that at least two of our neighbors have had some icing events but we have not. Looking at the CRF report for January we did reopen the pay window but there's much less activity there not as many people out and about. More people using Dropbox more people using electronic payments. You can see we mailed out about 3,600 paper bills and about 1,900 e-mail bills of course we're in a suspended disconnection program so we do have larger outstanding bills than we would normally see so at the end of January we're outstanding about $78,000 and that would be sewer water, garbage and recycling fees altogether. Otherwise we did have one water service line leak that developed that was an old leaded service that was replaced and we were able to enter that into our lead service line replacement program and get one more lead service line out of the system which is good. Website activity visitors to our web page mostly on the payer bill location we did have a lot of Facebook people reached on one of the photos used in the Raw Water Improvements presentation I don't know if it's an aerial it's a Google Earth photo showing the location of the plant site and where future intake might be located I think otherwise those are the highlights for CRR and F for January. Any questions for Joe? None for me. No, I'm okay. Moving on to items previously held over for discussion or possible action. Raw Water Improvements project Joe? Yeah, a few things on RWI I did make a presentation of the committee of the whole in January appreciated the opportunity to do that did post the PowerPoint online and distributed in various ways Sporgan Press picked it up and ran an article on the project as well I didn't receive many contacts after those public outreaches I think people are aware that that's a critical project to replace aging critical infrastructure to provide water for the community I did present our updated cost estimates we realized it's a costly project we're trying to make every effort to right size so that we do not end up with stranded assets we spend any more money than we need to we have to trim the project in several ways to really get the essence and no more out of the project in terms of rate impact that's a hard thing to predict going years or decades in the future I would say a few things project impacts are caused in several ways the first and largest way is debt service so there's no way to build a project like that without incurring debt public utilities pay for projects we would use a small portion of our cash in that project as well but mostly we're paying for it with debt and we then have new debt service going for 30 years if not more that's the largest cost item and really the size of the project and the marketplace dictates the terms of what that debt is going to look like right now the marketplace is pretty attractive we're all aware interest rates are low and that means we're going to get a fairly low interest rate on that debt for 30 years size of the project I mentioned we are right sizing it we are trimming it and have done that we're hopeful of a good bidding environment there aren't there aren't handfuls and handfuls of contractors that do that type of work but I'm told there are enough that we should get a good competitive bidding environment the project also results in additional electrical expenses we would be running a new pump station it should be more efficient than our current pump station but we're going to maintain existing systems so we're going to have some additional maintenance costs and maintaining both systems those shouldn't be huge but they will be part of what we'll see another big aspect is the municipal payment in lieu of taxes the pilot payment whenever the utility adds plant structure the pilot payment goes up and that would be true for this project as well and that's a new cost that we have limited ability to have any control over I think the board members are aware that the utility accountant and I have looked at these costs and projected them into the future and we can certainly see that rates and revenues will need to go up to pay these new costs we're hopeful that the utility and our customer base will grow with that kind of growth we have revenue growth without a need for rate increases hopeful seeing businesses come into the south of park enterprise campus that's not the name of it I can't try it like that yeah excuse me and hopefully some of those customers will be water users of significance in terms of water usage that will help revenue growth rate increases themselves we know over the coming 10 years we will see a pattern similar to what I would propose a pattern similar to what forward has set forth in the past which is looking at rates every 2 to 3 years and approaching the public service mission with a rate increase it's important to recall that neither the board or the common council or utility staff set water rates those are set by the Wisconsin public service commission based on our actual expenses and revenues they have a very complicated financial model that they use for public utilities public utilities are allowed a very moderate rate of return on their operation so there is not something like much adjustment in that rate of return either things like wholesale water rates are also set by the state we do not set those locally public utilities are a monopoly in operation the state takes jurisdiction and sets those rates in a fair equal manner through all public water utilities so what I would suggest is that K for the RWI project we are going to see rate increases at that interval and I know the board has been committed to keeping those rate increases either single digit or lower double digit figures and we expect that would be the case as well going forward there certainly will need to be some lower double digit increased figures I would estimate unless we see just a lot of water usage coming into the community and water revenue going up in that way otherwise we are continuing in the detailed design phase we are having meetings every two to three weeks with CDM Smith and our consultants one of our next big steps is to submit a construction authorization to the public service commission here again as a public utility the state has to approve an expenditure of this size the local entity can't make that decision on its own the state has to authorize that expenditure they are aware of our project they have given us feedback on our project to help right size it and they told us to expect a nine month review process so we are planning to go in for that authorization in the next month or so and get that process started I would just reiterate that in January we did submit for a FEMA BRIC grant on the shoreline protection system that's part of the RWI project that system at the end of the day has a construction estimate of about 1.6 million dollars the state helped us with the preparation of that application through the department of emergency management and they felt that it's got a it met all their thresholds to move on so to speak in terms of benefit to cost analysis they don't know whether we're going to be funded or not it was a competitive application so that now has been submitted and I remind the board FEMA BRIC is a 75 percent grant so we could see if we're fortunate a 1.2 million dollar grant towards the project that would be very nice to have we did also submit a request for endorsement to senator Baldwin's office during 30 days they're allowed to offer endorsements on projects as well so that is under way and finally I would say we had a lot of discussion about a FEMA BRIC grant for the entire project and although that sounds like a wonderful thing and would be there's some real caveats there that we're still exploring FEMA BRIC grants are intended to mitigate the impact of natural hazards so the shoreline protection aspect is clearly related to the hazard of shoreline flooding in lake Michigan areas which is the known natural hazard especially as lake levels go up and wave action increases however the entire RWI project has a lot of elements that really have nothing to do with hazard mitigation such as pipeline in the lake for water intake so after more detail discussions with our contact at Wisconsin emergency management getting a little bit of a mixed message on whether RWI its entirety would even have the first threshold which is called the benefit analysis so we're hoping in the next few weeks to go through that analysis with emergency management and see what the outcome is if the outcome shows that there's not a high enough ratio of benefit then there's no point in pursuing an application because you're not going to make the threshold and she had many projects in the state that simply didn't meet that threshold and weren't unable to move on that's one reason she worked with us to kind of tailor the shoreline protection project but I believe in the coming weeks we'll go through that analysis on the larger project and see what the outcome is if it doesn't meet the threshold then we're pretty much done we can't do anything to change the project if it does then we'll have more consideration you know what really is our likelihood of success how would it impact the project timeline and what resources would we have to expand to make a full application so I'm hopeful that in the next weeks we'll be able to answer more of those questions meanwhile I've also been working with our financial consultants Wisconsin finance professionals Ms. Carol Worth on updating possible funding mechanisms with the latest information latest marketplace data and safe drinking water information and that has all been updated as well I think just in summary we've been through part of our public outreach portion of the project I think a lot of people now are aware of the project and excited about it it's a very exciting project for the community and we're moving in a lot of into a lot of details and continuing forward towards completion of detailed design in June of this year any questions or comments from the board for Joel on the roll out improvement project not for me not at this time do we have any timeline as far as when we're here I know you just mentioned a month, month and a half when we hear from FEMA on that I believe the timeframe for the shoreline protection application is roughly July, August of this year okay thank you alright, no more further questions moving on to the agenda number 4.2 revealed policy on renewed disconnection program last month we had a discussion and the board took action to resume the disconnection program when allowed to do so by the public service commission in April April 15th moratorium is ending so the key elements of what we would be resuming are shown here and were what we discussed last month we'd be changing the threshold for disconnection from $150 up to $300 we'd be reducing the down payment on a deferred payment agreement to 25% down from 50% the other issues are pretty much what we had in place before with the disconnection program and just as an example an average customer using 15 cubic feet of water per quarter that's a fairly small usage has a total bill from the water utility of $152 of course that includes very garbage and recycling and water is about 40-45% of that normally we would be phasing the program in based on districts we have four districts I'm sorry we have monthly we have the three districts that are shown we would be phasing in first district number three with a disconnection date in April and you can see the subsequent dates there as well and none of that is really changing as per the Public Service Commission the notification to customers is mandated and we do that either by phone calls disconnection notices on door hangers or combinations of both we do refer customers from St. Vincent and the Salvation Army if they meet the threshold they are funded by those entities sometimes we're aware that another payment option might be coming with a new program to help people avoid eviction and I'm sorry avoid foreclosure and utility payments are included in that new program as well but we don't have details yet on that and finally as of February 4 we had 184 customers passed to over that $300 threshold we did send all past dues prior to November we were out on tax roll last year but in some are missed in that process or come after that process so currently we have 184 so that would be in that category so I think in response to what the board had requested or directed last month that is the written policy and how we would plan a new program I have one question if we don't have a phone number associated do we actually roll three times to hang door hangers or just once we are required to make multiple attempts so we do go out there multiple times with door hangers I can see we're with one time the wind might blow out away at least giving people multiple chances we really try not to rely on the door tags they're subject a lot of issues we get email addresses for our customers we do try to collect those we're not always successful but we are able to collect those and we normally are doing that any other questions not for me not for me moving on to section 5 of our agenda 5.1 request approval for the fourth quarter reports from 2020 the RO to the council yeah I don't have much to add just a summary of what we saw in the last quarter of 2020 do we need our physical signatures show no we have scanned versions okay we need a motion to approve the RO oh yes so moved second it moving second all in favor say aye aye moving on approval proposal for the doubly boosted engineering evaluation consulting agreement with the EECOM a little background the doubly catch we refer to it as in-ground manhole pump station very small located at the intersection of highway doubly and Barron's Parkway and the station pumps water from the non-boosted zone into the boosted industrial park zone the vast majority of water in that zone is coming out of the Georgia Avenue pump station and by vast majority I mean probably 98 percent the doubly pit pump was put in very early when the industrial park was not yet very large it's just put in as kind of a very small supplemental pumping point has value for a couple reasons one it is apart from the major pump station the separate asset and something were to happen in the other major station we would have some capability left although very small it also is located really just down the street from one of our largest water users and is a kind of an efficient way of pumping water directly to them with very little loss and the third function it serves it takes water from a location in the south side zone where we don't have a lot of water usage but by pushing water into the boosted zone we're able to draw fresher newer water to that area behind the pit pump is drawing from so we refer to that as it kind of freshens water in the whole area there when we utilize it you know water if it's not used can lose chlorine and stagnate so that's one area where we like to use the pit pump to kind of freshen an area that does not have high demand but the pit pump is aging it's been there at least 30 years I'm sorry to check exactly when it was put in but it's about 30 years old it's very small physically it has one pump in it and there's not really much room to do a whole lot more so what we would like to do is we requested a proposal from AECOM and they've been working on some of our pump stations projects in recent years they helped us evaluate locations for the new water tower they helped us upgrade pumps at Georgia booster station and they've also worked on our hydraulic model in the industrial park so they're very well experienced to do booster pump projects for the utility and we asked them to give us a proposal which you see before you and it's really an evaluation of the pit pump should it be expanded at that location what are the ultimate constraints we would like to have more flow capability currently it can produce maybe 400 gallons a minute 350-400 we'd like to really have it up to 1,000 gallons a minute capability we would like an evaluation can the site support that in terms of drawing from where it does in the distribution system we'd also like them to do a little bit of an evaluation is there a better place to locate the elementary pump station there are a few options we don't really know without looking in the details maybe there's a better location to invest in so basically we asked them to do a technical evaluation for us which might lead into a design project in detail down the road so we have a proposal from AEcom for a fee not to exceed 22,980 the operation supervisor and I have reviewed this proposal and we feel it's comprehensive and responsive again AEcom is very experienced with our system so we could probably find someone to do this for cheaper but I wouldn't make that recommendation we did budget for this project including design phases so we had budgeted well above what this proposal entails in terms of cost questions or comments from the board I have a ton of questions but it's probably not appropriate to ask them at this point because they'd be designed and function questions that would be answered later on as the design comes in once the report comes in I guess one thing I could ask is this on the 20 inch line that's on the E-MAC now? No it pumps from the end of business drive I might have misstated that before business drive and it pumps from the east into the old portion of the business park on Gateway Drive I'm sorry I'm barren's parkway okay I'm sorry it's pumping out of a 12 inch name a few years ago connected where that viaduct is there so in other words there's plenty of capacity to increase the size of the pumping we believe so yeah it's not like you're on a 4 inch line or something like that any other comments or questions? nope I'm good so there was a you budgeted for this and you said it's looking very favorable right now financially yeah we budgeted including detailed design you know for a biddable project so this is just the first phase and because we haven't really settled on the project we didn't want them to give us any further proposal okay we need a motion to approve acceptance of the proposal from Edie Tom I say yes let's go ahead and move it we do so I will second that all in favor say aye aye the chair votes aye carry moving on approval of the rate case proposal from Baker Tilly um Baker Tilly has prepared most of the rate cases in recent history for the utility for the board um they're a very large reputable firm they've always done a very strong job and they're very familiar with our financials going back to Andre who worked several decades on the utilities rate cases and now excuse me under Jody Dobson and her team because of the upcoming RWI and really in anticipation of it and also because of our new lead service line program which we're incurring costs of up to $400,000 a year we want to go back into the public service commission and take a look at rates and request a rate increase here effective by the beginning of 2022 um from past experience we know that the PSE is just quite backlogged and we don't want to wait too long because um we're already spending money on the LSL program without having rates to cover that specifically and we know we've got new costs coming from RWI so we want to get in in time to have a rate increase in 2022 uh that would be setting the stage for RWI project um the public service commission does not approve rates for anticipated costs you know they don't do that that's not part of their rate modeling they only include current expenses and actual revenues um but we have enough uh going on now that we're uh confident that we uh would meet the requirements for a modest rate increase in early 2022 it's too early to tell what that would be um I would only be guessing until they really start digging into the numbers but we would like to get that process started because we know it can drag out many many months um the utility accountant and I did did review the proposal most of it is boilerplate which is typical and and the cost is the same as for the last last rate case that they did for us we felt that that was uh reasonable cost is buried on page six in the middle of the page a fee of $18,520,000 for the uh rate study and application if I may comment they have done an excellent job for quite a long time that they've been involved with uh Richard Boykin water utility and as Joe said they're a very reputable firm um they have always been very very cognizant of what we need and very much willing to um take our input and put that into what they what they end up with their own product so I would move we accept the proposal from David Tilley the second I'll second that alright for discussion any discussion I'm good doing none all in favor say aye the other side next request approval proposal from Antec for IT services um actually I just wanted to give the board some background information here um the utility has uh who does not employ a single IT professional staff we utilize outside vendors both for software in terms of our financial program software program which is quite large and extensive and also for our more commonplace IT needs you know system setups and ether nets and and all that kind of stuff um we've been served well by a local firm for a number of years uh and have been happy with them for the most part um but we had a recent incident that caused us to take a second look and maybe a fresh look at our IT consultants and I just wanted to give kind of a report on that um we had a situation where we could have a security breach and the overall response to it through our IT firm I felt was uh was lacking uh in terms of responding to the initial breach and um also kind of providing follow up and this this wasn't a highly significant breach breach is probably even an excessive term but because we deal with a lot of financial information a lot of billing activity account activity um any kind of issue for us is pretty serious um so after this particular incident and kind of a lack of follow up from our ongoing provider uh we did reach out to a firm uh out of Milwaukee area that has worked a lot with the group county village mutual insurance company um this uh outside the firm had also done a cyber security analysis for us several years ago so we had some familiarity with them um they did a very thorough analysis but we didn't hire them for follow up we did most of that through our local firm um the uh the uh outside firm is larger they have more staff on in their operation um we did some reference checks and found a high level of satisfaction uh we did have them mobilize to our site after this incident and they began a response that our ongoing firm hadn't you know been concerned about doing for us and this involved a number of like two factor authentication process and that is just you know a username and a password you have username, password and then the system texts you or emails you for an additional contact point um so we were pretty impressed with and did following this incident um one thing the facility account as well was expressing just that um we really need to be confident that we have a high level of cybersecurity defenses and and kind of an ongoing review that's something that you just can't do once and think you're okay and you know six months down the road or even two months down the road um so we did find that this new firm has more of a proactive where they're coming on a schedule basis not just reacting to all of a sudden we have a problem and we call in um they do work for a number of other municipalities which again is reassuring and they have some familiarity of the level of what we're doing and our need for security so I think I just wanted to indicate to the board that um we are following up uh and doing some review of IP and our consultancy and we may want to move direction in the near future and try a new relationship um going forward have we put together a request for proposal at all uh we do have information a proposal yes okay and I think you know sort of the board's the correction IP is more of an ongoing administrative service I don't know that we need a board approval on a decision like that unless the board would prefer to do that this is pretty much um you're talking about protecting your business and office processes right not the industrial processes yeah that's correct this is solely business oriented Mark not not skating nothing plant oriented because as I understand all of the industrial processes are completely separated from the internet that's correct that was the article that I sent out this morning that came from last weekend's wall street journal was talking about a water utility that had their industrial processes breached which would be a whole another can of worms I mean we need to be very very concerned we all appreciate how concerned we need to be about customer information and the financials that certainly is important I don't want to downplay that either yeah and I think the Florida incident did you know again awaken our needs it's kind of not recent and be more proactive um and that's why we're leaning towards a change I don't feel like we've been as proactive as we could have been and that's where we lie on the consultants really to guide that process and I feel like we're just ready for a change could I ask what does the city do for IT support they have an IT department don't they they do yes they have a separate department so we're going to be looking at trying to do something with the industrial side at the same time or well the industrial side um I guess I would say a few things it's a you know basically hardened software at the level of these PLCs which are kind of the base level of plant control systems there's really a hardened software built into those units that's programmed by our vendor um it's not accessible to the internet or phone lines or anything like that um it's very hard to to hack those units unless there's some encoded code within the software embedded that they come in the door with and that that has happened at the level of international attacks you know we've heard these whatever something in Iran where you know a governmental entity embedded something into their base code and at a certain time point is activated and started creating mechanical havoc and systems and it wasn't being controlled from afar it was built into the base code of these units so in theory that could happen in these kind of SCADA TLC base units I say we have very little control over that aspect um one strength we always have is that our planted staff are on the clock in some areas of the country they're not, they go automated and you know there isn't a person checking and listening and identifying things directly um and that's actually you know I think most cyber attacks like that are ultimately detected by a person we realize something's wrong so at the end of the day we have that kind of protection as well um but things like keeping that system separate from our plant online systems is part of what the consultant does help us with but really the hardened TLC and the SCADA equipment comes from a different vendor who's more responsible for that security and you know long ago the operations supervisor and I wholeheartedly agreed with them took the viewpoint that um radio systems are hard to breach you know they sound old fashioned but they're actually pretty secure in terms of you know you can't breach a radio system from across the seas so to speak and a number of our systems communicate with secure radio systems in the electric utility side of the business one of the big concerns is vendors coming in with thumb drives with some malicious software on them so just to throw that out there yeah and one of the policies uh you know some organizations we haven't fully implemented that is to not you know to disable those kind of means of um you can't put a thumb drive into a laptop or a computer sitting on a workstation physically so are you expecting to present a proposal at a future meeting on this or I think what I'm requesting is authorization to accept the proposal you know it's a little difficult if the board wants to see charging or chargeable rates and such I can certainly provide that it's a little hard to give a you know anticipated cost breakdown other than chargeable rates and some planned activities but I can certainly do that if the board wants to see those numbers well I'm certainly in favor of of increased attention to cyber security so you would have my support for that this is I don't have a problem with that either this is a big deal these days it's very very important it's not something you really want to take two, three, four, five months to look at things and that type of thing as you say it's more of an administrative type thing you're making those calls to make sure that everything that's going on at the utility is smooth and guided so so we need a motion for Tom do you have any comments? No so I just I understand this is not any kind of contract for these people we're just saying we're going to use them as our provider and it's going to be billed on as an as needed basis is that correct? It would be a yearly service contract Tom just a one-year term and a certain rate okay got you and with that we need a motion to approve a proposal for Montana so moved I'll second it and we can second it all in favor say aye aye chair votes aye series next the proposal for replacement of GPS survey units and our distribution as supervisors provided a summary the engineering department does quite a bit of surveying of both a new project going in and then after the project is in the ground we shoot in its locations we do this now with the GPS survey unit our current unit is aging and does not operate off the latest satellite configurations it's not as accurate as modern units and we also have some file compatibility issues with it it's at least 12 years old I believe it's not a little older so they tried out two units after focus 35 and the tremble at 5 there's quite a cost difference between the two but they felt the spectra focus 35 meets our needs and would be very adequate and a big improvement over what we have now and they requested purchase of that unit which was budgeted for and that would be used mostly by the utility engineer, the engineer tech and also the SAM crew at times what's the budget for that Joe? 40 and we've dealt with silo in the past correct? we have yes I would move to approve I have one question just to and this reflects my ignorance but I'm curious about one thing the present unit does not operate off the most current satellite configurations used in Wisconsin I thought that we it was a global positioning system so I'm confused can you help my ignorant sir Joe? I'm afraid I can't Mark I don't know the detailed answer to that I could follow up and get that info to you probably not that big of a thing but I hate being ignorant but one thing I'm afraid I can't give you a precise answer on that well I like the fact that the equipment would provide the needed accuracy and functionality for a price less than budgeted so I would second that it's also less than the other way good that we got the other piece of equipment correct? All in favor say aye aye all right on to personnel I don't have any personnel updates for today I'll ask one personnel question he reminded me when you mentioned the GPS survey equipment our engineering tech would be using it he was interested in pursuing a degree is he still able to do that wondering how he's doing he's doing great he's on track to complete a four year degree at UW Green Bay at Sheboygan in May awesome he will have a degree in civil and environmental engineering technology from UW Green Bay awesome could you pass along my congratulations to him because from someone who who pursued education while working full time I know that's a challenge I will do that he's done an awesome job cool thank you all right our next meeting could be on the 15th of March the third Monday of March any problems with that anybody's calendar not mine he'll be on my calendar here he'll be on my calendar here shortly okay it's already on mine so that's good for you as well yes all right and we need a motion to adjourn our meeting so moved I'll second it all in favor say aye aye thank you Joel Morgan all things going at home Joel going okay still on recovery but making progress thank you that's okay