 You're listening to highlights from The David Feldman Show, heard nationwide on Pacifica Radio, or as a podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, and now YouTube. Please subscribe to this channel. For more information, go to davidfeldmanshow.com. Thank you for listening. The David Feldman radio program is made possible by listeners like you. You sad pathetic humps. Last Wednesday, Republican Congressman Steve Scalise was critically wounded on a baseball field along with several others after a lone gunman opened fire with a semi-automatic weapon. In the days that followed, both sides of the aisle came together to remind Americans that we needed to dial back the partisan bickering and be more careful with the way we talk to one another. While few politicians blamed easy access to semi-automatic weapons, everyone agreed that the shooting was really the result of the debasement of our political discourse. After Dr. David Gunn was murdered, he was an abortion provider, nobody asked the pro-life movement to cease and desist, to dial it down, to stop referring to people like Dr. Gunn as baby killers, or giving out his home address, his car make and license number, and providing everything but the ammunition to shoot him. According to last month's New York Review of Books, between the years 1978 and 2015, 11 abortion providers, 9 of them doctors, have been murdered by pro-life extremists. There have been 26 attempted murders of abortion providers, 185 abortion clinics have been set on fire, 42 have been bombed, and 1,534 have been vandalized. Despite the passage of Roe v. Wade in the late 1970s, Supreme Court rulings like Casey v. Planned Parenthood have made it easier for states to limit a woman's access to an abortion. The number of abortion clinics in Texas has been cut in half due to new rules making it financially prohibitive for doctors to reform abortions. Some states now require a mandatory 24-hour waiting period before a woman can have her abortion. Other states force doctors to perform an ultrasound and describe the fetus to the woman before she undergoes the abortion. Last week on this show, we talked with comedian Greg Proups, who traveled to Jackson, Mississippi to report on the last abortion clinic in all of Mississippi. And if you haven't heard Greg's proofcast, I urge you to go and listen to it. Greg was also down in Mississippi to perform for Lady Parts Justice League Vaginal Mystery Tour hosted by Liz Winstead. Liz is a brilliant writer and comedian. She created The Daily Show. And Air America, if you love Rachel Maddow and Al Franken, you have Liz Winstead to thank for them. And she joins us today in Iowa City. Hello, Liz Winstead. Hi, David Zeldman. Thank you for having me. It has been estimated that one-third of American women have had abortions in their lives. What's up with abortion? People seem to hate it. I can't get it. So controversial. Calm down. You know, that was a super good, that was a good little synopsis that you did. One thing that I would, the couple of things that I would say is, when people say to me right off the bat, like, Liz, you've become really active in this movement. If there was one thing you could say to people, what would it be? And the one thing I would say is being friends with some doctors whose lives have been threatened. I'm friends with Dr. David Gunn's son. He's the son of a gun. He's the son of a gun. Joey Bishop. It is indeed true. Joey Bishop. That we just never refer to them as pro-life or their agenda as pro-life because these physicians are terrorized. Their clinics are bombed. They're blown up. They're set on fire. You know, Dr. David Piller was killed in his church. Dr. Sleppian was killed in Buffalo, New York, making soup in his kitchen. These people are domestic terrorists. They don't deserve to be normalized by saying that they have any consideration for life because it seems like when you talk about women, they never come into the equation. So that's one thing I would say. And second of all, though, I really like you talking about, you mentioned the 24-hour waiting periods that often people have to go through. And in many states, that's the best you get. Some states have 48 hours. Some states people have to wait 72 hours because under the guise that women are just like, you know, real little shit bags who, you know, if our vaginas weren't regulated, they would just be wandering a muck, you know, like some crazy Macy's balloon that got loose, you know, just like ravaging down to something. And so, you know, it's insulting. It's all just a crazy, crazy misogyny Ponzi scheme to get people to believe that people actually care about quote-unquote babies. When they don't, they just want to, you know, reiterate this concept that women are incompetent who don't ever think about anything seriously and we're just flippity gibbets running around. So it's all bullshit. And so we just decided to do some comedy shows in these states that are really hard hit who desperately need folks to come and remind them that they're not isolated because they feel incredibly isolated and to help grow, you know, activists and grow their community based around the clinics. And, you know, as performers, Jesus, we can just come and do a show. You know, you get between 150 people in a room and 400 people in a room and you're real fun and then you go, hey, will you guys spend a half an hour with us hearing about what's happening in your community? And once you do, sign up to help these folks because they need it. And they're like, okay, so it's really fun. Tell me when you founded Lady Parts Justice League. So what happened was about five years ago when our friend Mike Pence was still in Congress, I was back from Minnesota and I was sort of figuring out what I was going to do next. Was I going to try to do another TV show so that I could get no credit for it or was I going to try to do something? You know, I didn't know. So somebody said maybe write a book. So I was trying to do that. And all of these laws started happening in these state legislatures, like literally 27 of them in the course of three months where clinics were closing immediately. And the right has something that is, and I don't know how politically savvy your fans are, but you know, we know about Alec, this legislative, so there is something that is sort of like Alec that deals with abortion law, right? So they create model legislation. They get shit-bagged, dumb shit local legislators elected and then they hand them this legislation and then it just gets jammed through all these legislatures. And so it happened profoundly. And I was in Minnesota and I was like, holy shit, I finished my book and I needed to get back to Brooklyn. So I decided to drive home and do fundraisers along the way. It's like, oh, I can help out and do that. And when I was doing these fundraisers, I would stop in and visit the clinics and they literally said to me, you know, no one ever comes here. Like, thank you for coming. People think we're toxic and we treat people every single day and we, you know, they come into us with, you know, 100 problems and we can fix one of them. And that one problem that we can fix is literally, if we couldn't fix it, it would be oftentimes a crossover between whether or not that person could function in society, be a good parent, actually get that college degree. Like so many things, you know, you forget. Like that is somebody, whether or not you want to have a kid is your first decision a lot of times to your economic destiny. You were driving back from Minnesota to Brooklyn. When you say you were going to do fundraisers, what do you just call abortion providers and say, hey, this is Lynn. I mean, it's exactly what I did. You know, it's like, you know, I was like, you know, if I said I'm Liz Winston, I want to come. I'm traveling across countries. My two dogs and I want to come and do a fundraiser. They'd be like, you know what, we're going to call the police. But it's, you know, it was kind of like my friend Maggie who is a dear friend of mine and she's a rock and roll booker. She was actually like, I've got some downtime. Let me help you book this tour. So she called up clinics and said, you know, Liz Winston, she's a comic. She created the Daily Show. She wants to come and, you know, help raise awareness because these laws are awful. So it wasn't just like some, I'm some crazy vagabond who's like wandering in the clinic going, you know, I want some booze, lots of money. Who's in the audience? Just account. You know, it's like a fundraiser. And so it's supporters of, this is what was interesting. It was some were supporters of Planned Parenthood. Some were people who are my comedy fans. And then some were like people who cared about abortion rights. And so the people who are supporters of Planned Parenthood didn't understand that like, well, we all love Planned Parenthood and should support them and talk about them. There's such a larger movement of abortion clinics in America. The independent community clinic provides 70% of all the abortions in our country. Okay, slow down, slow down. This is stuff I know nothing about. Yeah. And until I saw Jeanine from Des Moines, Jane Edith Wilson's movie, I didn't know that Planned Parenthood did mammograms and was where young girls went to get their hoo-hoo looked at. No questions asked. Part, I don't mean to get all fancy with my Latin by calling it a hoo-hoo, but... I practically thought you went to medical. Crazy. Like, David, talk to your audience. We all know you're smart. This is what I said to Greg Proups. And you got to go really slowly with me on this stuff. Okay. Going slow. Because there's a men's room and a women's room. And that door is shut. So you got to help me out here. When you say Planned Parenthood, there are independent mom and pop abortion clinics that sprung up after Roe v. Wade? No. Well, I mean all clinics, there were clinics, states made abortion legal before Roe. So pre-Roe, people were going to New York because the faith community in New York were the ones that legalized abortion in 1970 in the state of New York. Because the Jewish community and all these different faith-based groups were seeing their parishioners coming to their local churches desperate, pregnant and desperate, and trying to perform some legal abortions. But a lot of it was trying to get rid of a pregnancy on their own and almost killing themselves. And so it was the faith community in New York that made abortion legal in 1970. Really, the faith community? Yeah, absolutely. In fact, I just went to a celebration of the... They did a 40th anniversary of, I think, I can't remember the name of the organization, but there was a big celebration at the Judson Church and all these different people who were clergy in leadership told their stories and talked about what it was like and to really fight for abortion rights as a Christian belief, as a religious belief. In fact, I would highly recommend there's an abortion provider named Dr. Willie Parker who just came out with a book two months ago who, his whole book, it's a memoir, he's about growing up black in Birmingham, dirt poor, becoming an OBGYN, and he's a strict Baptist and it's how his Baptist faith led him to the calling of abortion care because he believes being a Christian is about compassion. It's really a beautiful book that puts what it means to service people, to help them live for their full humanity in a perspective that makes really, really interesting sense. Yeah, he's a really cool dude. How much help are you still getting from religious leaders? Well, there's definitely groups. There's Catholics for Choice and there's a great coalition of religious partners for abortion rights. But, you know, anybody fighting for it is just completely overshadowed by these monsters and the monsters are such bullies that quite frankly, in the fight for abortion access I think we've seeded so much ground to their language, to how we feel about it, to caveats, you know, it's pretty horrifying. People say cavalierly, well, you know, you know, only 3% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortion and I'm like, I don't care. If 100% of what they did was abortion, I wouldn't care because what that says to the physicians that provide it or the people that have had them is, you know, that dirty thing we do that you had done and that that doctor does, that's only a little bit of what we do. Like, why should anyone care? If you believe it's baby killing, then that's your shit. I happen to believe in science and so science tells me a different story. Does the existence of Planned Parenthood make abortions fewer? In other words, planning your parenthood. Isn't the idea behind Planned Parenthood that abortion would be the thing you do after, you know, for the last resort? Is that a fair statement or is that a Clinton-esque? Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't even say, I mean, when we say, I mean, here's the deal. I'm sure they hate Planned Parenthood because it has the word planned in it. There's nothing a politician needs more than a plan because that means you have to have a brain to actually execute it and have to be a good one. But I mean, what I would say is when we talk about things like last resort or we talk about anything that has to do with behavioral things, I mean, who hasn't had sex without a condom and just kind of like went, oh, I really hope I'm not pregnant and been freaked out? You know, who hasn't, you know, made mistakes on that kind of front? I don't want to shame anybody for how they got pregnant. I'm not interested in that. But I know that if somebody is pregnant and they profoundly feel they can't be for whatever reason that is, they should have every opportunity to not be and also not be judged or identified by the fact they had an abortion. I'm thinking of the neoliberal Bill Clinton argument that he used in 92 that resonated with me and that was we can both agree, I'm getting a different answer from you, so that we can both agree that there should be fewer abortions in this country and the best way to guarantee that there are fewer abortions is education and Planned Parenthood and making sure that women understand their bodies. And you're, I think, saying F-U to that, we don't need anybody telling us about our bodies. We want abortions. Is that kind of? Well, here's the deal. Since the history of forever, there has been abortion, right? People have had unintended pregnancies for whatever reason. What I would say to people is when we say things like, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be fewer abortions because, you know, especially in the climate we live in now where it's inaccessible to get one, when you have to go through, it's really expensive, you're throwing up hoops. You have to be challenged constantly by government officials. You have to be lied to by doctors. I mean, the whole thing is crazy, right? But at the end of the day, let me ask you this. What is the ethical dilemma around abortion? For you, David Talbot. When you say we can all agree there should be less abortions. Why would we all agree to that? Well... Because it's murder, because it's unsafe, because it causes you to not be able to have other kids. I have to have sex. And if I can't have sex, I'm going to masturbate. And if you held... If you showed me the Kleenex holding my sperm and you performed an ultrasound and it had a heartbeat, I would say, ooh, I definitely hear a heartbeat from the Kleenex. I'm going to try not to masturbate. And then six hours later, well, you know, I'm going to masturbate, because I cannot... Or I'm going to have sex, because I have to... Hang on for one second, okay? I'm with you. All right. It is conventional wisdom that women... I'm going to make a joke. I'm going to be careful here. Because I'm in so much... Please step in it. I can't wait. No, I'm in so much trouble with women. You have no idea. You have no idea how much trouble I'm in. Oh, I probably have an idea. I've known you for fucking 40 years. Like, wait, breaking news. David Feldman is in trouble with women. So now he's going to school me on some Clinton-esque bullshit abortion, shaming stuff. But no, keep going about how jerking off is something you need to do. No, really, this is helpful. Okay. And by the way, you know, I'm pretty much divorced. And the way I proposed to my first wife was I dropped a one-knee, and I said, I hate you slightly less than I hate all other women on the planet. Will you marry me? And she did. And she did. So... Anyway, so I think... And I'm just saying, you know, this is... I think a lot of men might think that women don't... I'm going to move on. No, no, no. Now, please. So women don't need to jerk off as much as men? Or need sex as much as men? And they control... This is not what I think because I'm a, as you know, an enlightened man. So far, proving it profoundly. Keeping it 100. Right here on the podcast. This is a conservative older man viewpoint that women can control their sexual appetites better than men can. That's what men believe. Not all men. But also, but here's what's hilarious about that is that it's just hilarious. But second of all, there's some reason that women, if that were true, let's say that your weird thing was true, that you're just that. Like, let's just pretend that wasn't embarrassing. Why should they? You know, you just told me a whole five-minute story about how you would be jerking off in the shower and then if you're... I know you weren't even in the shower. You're jerking off into a Kleenex, probably was off-brand even. You're just jerking off into some probably sandpaper actually, not Kleenex at all. So you're cognizant sandpaper. And when you hear this heartbeat of the sandpaper sperm, you're like, wow, I probably shouldn't do that, but I'm still going to shove my cock into this sandpaper constantly. But here's the deal is women just don't want to fuck guys a lot who would just shove their cock into sandpaper. Now, I think the problem is that men are constantly trying to come up with rationalizations why women don't want to fuck them more. And maybe it's because they stick their dick in sandpaper and then wonder if it has a heartbeat. I don't know. That's just a theory. Right, and it's all... But okay, so I'm going to put another foot in the shit here. Okay, both feet. That's really good so far. Okay. I feel like I'm winning, so I'm killing everyone. Of course you're winning. You have no idea what a... You have no idea what a loser I am with women right now. Right now. Right now. As though... Right now, because, you know, before it was just... You were just laying me down on a better road. I would say that men have an ego and they think, well, she doesn't want to have sex with me. So obviously, I mean, you know, it's like lesbo. That's, you know, the joke. But it's also, obviously, she would have sex with me, but she can control her animal spirits. That's the nature of women. They don't always have to have sex. They're in control of the whole sexual thing that's going on unless they're being raped. That's what I think. They just don't always have to have sex with men, and men can't. By the way, I just want to remind you that we're doing a podcast on the magical mystery tour and for the past few minutes we've just centered men around my whole funny thing. I can't even fucking believe you took me on your shit bath of a story. Liz, I really want to talk to you about your good work, but let's just talk about men and how we can't stop jerking off for 30 minutes. And then we'll plug your thing at the end. Guilty. But I like your theories. I think they're fun. Okay. All right. Lady Parts Justice League. I have a lot of questions or issues. I think I have issues. I think I have issues. You have issues? Okay, good. There's some of them up for you. Including why women don't want to fuck you. If you want to get back to that, I'm all for it. I think there's an epidemic of lesbianism, but you all just don't want to fuck me. This is the problem. That could be. I would say you could call that an epidemic or you just call that Tuesday. Okay. So we do some important work here because we're having fun, but I want to do important work here. LPJL. Lady Parts Justice League. Lady Parts Justice League. And I am sweating. I am really nervous. I really am because the Vaginal Mystery Tour, how do people, and then I want to ask you some questions. Okay. How do people help the Lady Parts Justice League? How do they reach you? How can they support you? And how can they support women who are having trouble getting abortions? How they can support us. You can go to ladypartsjusticeleague.com. We have a donate button. We also have a bunch of ways on our website that said that you can help reach out to independent abortion providers and you can help out with the people who are really vital and flurry support for clinics, whether they're escorts who were helping patients come in and out to walk through those throngs of screaming vaginal crossing guards who stand outside of clinics all the time who think that they know better than you about your body. A lot of times, many states have set up abortion funds for low-income women who might need help getting their procedures or help with travel because so many states, your Medicaid won't cover your procedure. It'll cover many other things, but it won't cover your procedure. And so you can do that. We have a postcard program where you can just, you know, we have on the website a list of independent abortion providers and you can just like either download postcards from our site or you can go buy some postcards and just send notes of encouragement and support. You know, you can get in contact with the clinic that's near you and that might not necessarily be a Planned Parenthood. It might be one of these community clinics we were talking about and reach out and say, hey, you know what? I would love to meet with you. You can screen me and I'd love to, you know, take your staff out for drinks twice a year. I'd love to bring you cupcakes. I'd love to invite you publicly into my social space to let you know that I'm supporting you publicly and in the light, you know, things like that really matter to them. So when you say how can you support us, one of the things we do on our tour is that we go to each clinic and we assess their needs. Like a lot of times people forget they can't get a contractor to do their lawn or fix their roof because they provide abortion. And so what we do a lot of times is we'll go in and we'll do some repair work around their place. We'll plant a garden, we'll paint a fence, we'll plant bushes, we'll do shredding for them. You know, companies won't come and just do like normal things a company needs or we'll find local people and bring them together to help them do their stuff. A lot of places need a handyman. So, you know, any skill you have, people who are at your clinic would probably need it and could be able to use it. And so if you come to our show in one of the cities that we're traveling in, you'll see a really funny comedy show. We have a talk back with a person that runs the clinic and then somebody who is part of one of the activist teams and they'll tell you what you need and you can sign up right there, meet them, talk to them and start building a relationship right there. So those are many things you can do. And if you're a comic, you could join us on the road. At any point we do this throughout the year. This is like a really concentrated 16 cities in eight weeks tour, but we do pockets. But also, if you're just in a town and doing a club, you could totally offer four tickets to your show to the local clinic and say, you know what? I want to give you some comps. You guys deserve to have a fun night out. Like, that's easy. Most Americans are pro-choice, right? Yes, 70%. So I'm working off this article that was in last month's New York Review of Books because I'm in a feet intellectual snob. They wrote a review of two new books about abortion. What were the books? You know, I don't have them in front of me. I have my notes from the New York Review of Books. I bet Willie Parker's book was one of them. I don't know. I'm working off my cheat sheet and these facts are cited from the New York Review of Books. So far you're killing it on the facts. Those are correct. So according to the New York Review of Books, it's conventional wisdom among men that women suffer severe depression and loss of self-esteem after an abortion. In fact, Anthony Kennedy, the Supreme Court Justice, actually wrote that, I believe, in Casey versus Planned Parenthood. Yes. He did. And what was interesting about that, first of all, it's medically disproven because you can't... You're not studying the psychology of a person before they have their procedure so they could have come in with depression and mental illness if they're experiencing those things. People may experience loss after a termination or even depression, but does that make it society's problem? You know what I mean? People have depression over bad plastic surgery, too. Or after having a baby. They have postpartum depression. Exactly. Not my problem. But for the most part, that's a scientifically... It's an unprovable thing where actually the University of San Francisco did a five-year research study on the effects of what happens when a woman has denied abortion care and that is startling. And that's a question. What happens to their life is really incredible. In fact, and the one thing that I really think is interesting about the Supreme Court case that you cited in Kennedy's ruling is that in this ruling, there was the people who were bringing the case and what Casey was for people who don't know. What Planned Parenthood did was, after Roe v. Wade became the law of the land, the states, and Bob Casey, in Pennsylvania, said, well, should we just have a woman have total control over her body? Shouldn't the state have some say for her own good? And so they presented the argument that the states should be able to curb access to abortion for the benefit of the pregnant person. And what the Supreme Court ruled was that you could create these caveats if you didn't quote, cause an undue burden. Well, that you could drive a truck, Mack truck through that hole because what the fuck does that mean? And so they started these waiting periods and all this stuff. And what swayed Casey to vote with the majority and that was there was many women who had abortions, like a hundred, who filed amicus brief saying, after my abortion, I felt depression, after my abortion, I felt regret. And no one from the pro-choice side filed any briefs at all saying, my abortion saved my life, my abortion gave me my destiny, it let me go to college. So that's what convinced Justice Kennedy to write. Yes, exactly. And they have found that women actually feel something far different from depression and loss of self-esteem after an abortion, haven't they? Relief is the number one thing that most women say they feel. Absolutely. A hundred percent. And so we just had a ruling when these laws got really bad and most people are most familiar with the Texas law, which is with that horrible law in Texas happened in some version, in 27 other states around the country. The same year it happened in Texas. When Wendy Davis filibustered up and did all that. And the Supreme Court threw that law out last year. And in the oral arguments, they had hundreds of women filing amicus briefs talking about the very thing that didn't happen in Casey. All these really beautiful stories of how women having access to abortion helped them become better mothers, because 65 percent of all women who have abortions already have one or more kids, and they've just made a decision that they can't have another kid. You know, it's the stereotype that one puts into their head that it's some young single woman who is like some big whore walking around is not actually the actual prototypical person having abortion. So it's pretty fascinating when you start digging into the details and the facts around it and how much shit is thrown around it. And the other thing that's pretty interesting is the sort of big Hobby Lobby case that happened where, you know, the Christian craft store who decided they didn't want to cover certain birth controls with their employees, because they said they were abortion. They said an IUD is an abortion. It's ridiculous. But when that case was argued, had there not been women on the court, the presentation in that argument, there was 57 incorrect statements about how you get pregnant, what happens when a fertilized egg travels into the uterus, what the timing of that is, like what birth control does. I mean, the arguments themselves weren't abortion. Because it was like the women had to call out these lawyers so many times and the men on the court just sat there and they would have just taken in all this misinformation. And that's the part that's so insane. Yes. By the way, Hobby Lobby, when this was being decided, it was revealed that they don't provide maternity leave. No. They don't. Also, they're bullshit because they act like it's their... First of all, you can't be a Christian store. You're a store. You're not a person. You're a store. And second of all, you know that they're bullshit line of Christianity. They just didn't... Once you're having a great sex, you're just crafting goes way down. We're just like... We just can't have people jump out of crafting. We have to make sure they're crafting. So, let's have them have less sex. More deco posh. I want to... Not a popular t-shirt. Hobby Lobby was also what Phyllis Shoughley called her. You know what? So, let me play Devil's Advocate here. Okay. Would you say that personal responsibility is a consistent viewpoint with the Republicans in that they believe if you don't work hard, you should die from lack of health care. They believe this. They don't want to admit it. 100%. Right? Well, they've actually said no one's ever died from lack of health care. Yeah. So, I mean, it's like so far beyond the pale. They do believe that. I'm just looking for consistency so that we can't accuse the Republicans of being disingenuous about abortion. We'll get to control and misogyny and jealousy of women. But there are some people who believe that in America it's all about personal responsibility. And if you get pregnant, it's your responsibility to raise the child. And you should have thought about it before you got pregnant. And this is all about personal responsibility. Is that a fair statement that the conservatives really do believe that? Well, I think they do believe it, but what I would say about that statement is so it's not personally responsible to assess your own life and decide that you would be a horrible parent and so you would like an abortion. You know, it's an argument that holds no water with me because they say it all the time. I mean, I've had people say to me, it's about personal responsibility. What are you going to say to the person who's been pregnant three times and had three abortions? I'm like, maybe if they can't get it together to get birth. Oh, they shouldn't be parents. It's like a really stupid person who if they keep having abortions I say thank you from myself and society. Because the personal responsibility part, I don't, again, it goes back for me, is that it's not my job in the world to be judging people on whether or not they're sexually responsible. If they want an abortion, they should have one because it's safe. It's not going to prohibit them from ever having kids if and when they choose to. It doesn't cause any breast cancer. It doesn't destroy any amount of fertility or infertility. And if people want to have them, it's not going to be physically harmful to them. And so what the fuck do I care if somebody wants to go spend $400 on having an abortion or spend, I just don't care. I mean, you could say, you know what, using a condom is probably smart because it would help you prevent STDs and help you prevent from getting pregnant. Yes, of course, absolutely. But it's like we make a lot of assumptions like people aren't married. You know, it's like what's your responsibility? Well, if you're married and have a couple of kids and you can't have another one, are you supposed to not have sex with your husband anymore when you've had enough kids because of the risk of having one you can't afford or don't have the capacity to take care of? I mean, it's also bizarre because the second we start saying personal responsibility, we stop talking about abortion. You know, the argument around abortion should be is, you know, it should be around the science of gestation and abortion, not around anything else. Okay, but you do agree that there are some people who genuinely are against abortion because they believe, they believe they're wrong, but they do believe in personal responsibility. Oh, that, I mean, yes, I do not think that you're making up fictitious people. I meet those people every day. They call me a whore on Twitter every day. I know them intimately. In fact, they are some of my biggest fans. Yeah. They'll yell at me like how many abortions have you had? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't save receipts. I'm married to organized. This is no idea. I want to talk to you about that tone in a second. Because it's for a guy my age. Let me get to that in a second. You escort. For a guy your age who jerks off into sandpaper. Let's put your morality in the context again. Bring it on back. I'm going to step back into it in a second. Before we get to your tone of voice and the way Jennifer... I like my tone, my tone young lady. Because I want to talk about how Jennifer was perceived on Greg's poop cast when she talked to these quote-unquote pro-lifers. But very quickly, you escort these women from their cars through the phalanx of right wing nuts. What do you think is more traumatic? Having an abortion, we've just pretty much agreed that Justice Kennedy is wrong. That women who have abortions say they experience relief so what is more traumatic? An abortion or walking to the clinic to get the abortion? Well, you know, I don't know that it's an evil or a thing only because, you know, the trauma of having to terminate a pregnancy just like anything else there's people who have many different feelings about it. So I'm not going to disregard... Janet Rowe didn't, before she died, say that... Yeah, she, way before she became somebody who, you know, Jane Rowe became somebody who then became part of the anti-choice movement and there's people who are like me who've had an abortion who could not have given a shit about it but then there's people who had I mean, honestly, I couldn't have and then there was people who had wanted pregnancies who because they didn't want to feed the anomaly or because of, you know it would have taken their life, you know had these really painful abortions and then there's people who have moral complex about it where they know it's really good for their family and they know it's what they need to do but they really they felt like, you know they have religious conflict or more complex people do have feelings about their abortion, right? And you can't legislate how someone's going to feel about something you can only legislate whether or not a procedure is safe should be legal for everyone and, you know, at the end of the day no one should drink if some people have a drink and then foolishly drive and, you know get in an accident, you know you just can't legislate that shit You can't legislate it, but we can create a culture that instills a sense of shame Absolutely and that's part of what we do at LPJL we try to bust back on that shame and stigma so when you ask me about whether it's either or you know, I think the thing for me that was really profound was it takes an amount of privilege to be able to be an escort you can take time off of work you know, and so it's mostly white women who are escorting oftentimes women of color from their car from the hoods who are yelling at them so you have me, a white woman walking in a woman of color as some guardian for her which is kind of weird on some level and then walking by a bunch of men who are telling her she shouldn't have control over her own body and historically that's incredibly fucked up I don't need to say but when you think about how many times has been reminded of that throughout their day every day on a really shitty day for that person who has to make a pretty tough decision it's real fucked up you know, it's real fucked up that these people think that they have the right to stand out there and scream at women of color telling them that they're creating a black genocide and destroying their own race and you know, it's really profound when you hear it and it's really unbelievable to think that people think they have a power over another person in that regard we bought mirrors to hold up to them so they could look at themselves when they were yelling at the women yeah you know, because sometimes you just try to figure out how to shake them and I think the thing that was that's really the most astounding you have a lot of those people yelling and how you really know that they don't really care about pregnancy or they don't really think it's a baby when I and a bunch of women standing outside of a clinic can distract these self-professed carers of the infant so much so that for example, when we were in Mississippi and I was just talking to these people for an hour and a half you know, 13 or 14 women went into their appointments without being harassed because they would rather yell at a woman and tell her how stupid she is face to face you know, instead of getting to the matter at hand of trying to convince somebody to not go have their abortion you know, and so the second you realize it's so easy to have them lecturing you instead of being really focused and determined to try to get someone to stop having having an abortion because they believe it's a baby, then you just know they're all bullshit and so it's like you know, if I can stand outside of a clinic and like talk to some guy and make him feel like oh hey, it's cool because I found this really great religion that says I can use God to sit there and tell women they're horrors this is like the best thing ever it's just like you are sitting here telling me I'm a whore when A, if I was a whore I would be working blowing eyes for money and B, you obviously don't understand that or you would call me something else I have daughters, okay yes they can call me yes, and I have sons and I I was raised to be I was a red diaper baby and I raised my kids to agree with everything you're saying okay let me get to your tone of voice so kind the thing from Greg's Proopcast and by the way I want to plug your podcast as well what's the name of your podcast it's called Repro Madness it's a weekly wrap up of all of these crazy laws that just exist around access to abortions oh my god that sounds great it's really fun, it's funny, it's great it's funny, you know it's very palatable it's the outrage of and you know these locals talk about it I mean when you hear the shit storm of what these people say I mean it's incredible, I mean just last week a guy two weeks ago a state legislator in Missouri kind of fund the zoo unless they called it the anti-abortion zoo and that's just like one story and there's like a bazillion of them that we tell but anyway let's get back to my tone of voice so I you know I'm a dinosaur and I know to vote the right way this is what I both feet are in the shit right now okay we're Hillary lost this is what men said okay this is what men said maybe Lena Dunham and Liz Winstead lost the election for us because of their tone you've heard that right? of course here's what I love sure go ahead I love it I love that people would say that maybe Lena Dunham and Liz Winstead lost the election for Hillary because of their tone when the guy who won was like grabbing pussy for a living I'm not going to really carry the mantle of Hillary to meet because I want people to have abortions because Donald Trump grabbed them by the pussy and then shoved his cock inside of them and got them pregnant sorry I'm not really going to take that I'm keeping my tone I'm not going to go there but I have heard I'm a super serious not though for real that's funny but it's super serious it is super serious you know I mean in that that's just so crazy when I've heard that too and it was like and I was a Bernie supporter you know and then I supported Hillary after Bernie but and then just to hear Compares and Bernie Sanders endorsing this mayoral candidate who was a very anti-choice candidate who put a bunch of dangerous laws in place in Nebraska saying maybe abortion is an issue where we can compromise maybe the right to choose is a place where we can find you know and it's like I'm sorry you can't be sort of pregnant have sort of options and for someone to literally not understand this and say why are you talking about abortion when people care about economics if you do not fundamentally understand how pregnancy is an economic issue then you need to like go back to the home and eat your pudding and you know watch reruns of Hardcastle and McCormick I don't even know why I said that I've never even said those words in my life but because you don't understand humanity and you can relegate reproductive access as to being a woman's issue and not something that you should care about and do stay to care about it because it's like all of us if you have daughters and people in your life and you think that they deserve every fucking avenue of destiny and to fail on their faces on their own terms then damn straight you better make sure that you have a roadblock in sight for that person with the uterus in your life and so you better fight for it so this is how my daughters were raised and my sons around the dinner table I'm sarcastic I provoke and I would jokingly say and then I want to get back to tone because I'm having problems with tone of voice I'm going to read you some facts that I got from the New York Review of Books and this is stuff that was thrown around at the dinner table we gave African Americans the right to vote it took 50 years after to give women the right to vote until 1936 women could lose their American citizenship if they moved overseas and then married a non-citizen there was a time when children could become a citizen but they couldn't become citizens if only their mothers were citizens and I used to say stuff like why do you put up with this shit why are you what's wrong I would provoke my daughters what's wrong with women that they would take this shit for men right now it turns out they're not taking this shit for men anymore some of them took it the point I'm making is I have noticed in my personal life that several women have said to me if you don't understand I'm not explaining it to you get out of my way you're irrelevant I don't care if you don't understand it I'm not explaining it to you drop dead that is dumb that's what second wave feminism did and I think that so there is a philosophy you say it's second wave feminism that says if you're too stupid to understand this go die no I don't think I said that I think you said that and I think what I was going to say was what second wave feminism did was say we don't want to hear from them and I think that you can't win any fight that's worse that all humanity benefits from even if it happens just to me or if it just happens to brown people or if it just happens to Jews or whatever the fight needs to be with everyone understanding that if we all do not have our basic humanity then no one really has their basic humanity and I think there was women's movement I don't want to hear from men when it comes to this issue I think the tone and the tide and the change needs to be we need men to fully realize that full humanity we need to support full humanity for women and what that means is we need to step up and stand next to people and support women in this fight instead of being like this is a women's fight and I don't want to hear from a man I do want to hear from a man who's defending women's issues I think it's important but I think that instead of hearing I don't need to only hear from men or I don't need to be mansplained but I would love to have more men hear, listen, be part of it have fun understand that we're all happier we all have better lives if everybody is like I said the enemy of progress is the sane rational incrementalist who is all for progress but just slow it down a little well I think you know and if you want to even bastardize King a little bit more I think the one thing he said that rings true a lot for me is and I'm not saying it correctly but you know it's really not monsters who are going to destroy us if a loud monster is able to destroy us it's the appalling silence of the good people the people who sit back and care and say they could do something because if you just sit back and care and call yourself a whole bunch of identifying a bunch of ways but never stand up what good are you because it's not just voting against bad legislation it's who's proposing proactive legislation to expand access to burst control and to abortion and you know who's doing that you know there's a couple people in the progressive caucus in congress but not really anybody California just did a thing but that's about it what did California do I think that they they did a couple of things they passed a law that said that around the country there are something called crisis pregnancy centers which are fake abortion clinics run by Christians and they get federal funding they get state funding there's 4,000 of them compared to the 790 actual healthcare centers that there are and they're just evil and crazy and they can lie to you about the statistics and they do they'll show you fake ultrasounds that is not the gestational age of pregnancy they separate you from your phone when you're in this fake exam I mean it's just the worst so California passed something that said it was illegal to run a clinic or to give medical advice that was not based in science so that's pretty cool good I like that so that was a good thing occasionally here and there we have stuff we're gonna come back I hope come back to your podcast anytime I love it I would like to just hang out with you too at some point like the fact that I saw you in the Minneapolis airport like 7 years ago now I talk to you on your podcast this is not a way to have a friendship I know I'm not gonna be a pig I'm gonna let you go cause there cause you gotta go jerk off into your sandpaper how do you know I haven't been doing it while you were talking in that tone that I secretly love am I in trouble? yeah you probably do get an erection no but you know what's really crazy you say that we video taped a guy who was Joy L. Johnson who was part of our team incredibly funny comic she's like almost 6 feet tall black woman super smart and funny and she was talking to a protester and we had a camera crew with us and she's talking to the protester and someone's camera and they filmed the guy getting an erection while he was shaming Joy L. it was fucked yeah that's actually part of it my inner fall well oh your inner fall well let's go there I'm a politician by the way I've realized that I'm guilty of being in a bubble and thinking like a politician by saying things like when you're being shoved into the oven by the Nazi responsibility to understand why he's shoving you into the oven exactly that's the part that I love it's like you really should look at both sides of why they care why should I do that they're irrational crazy people who don't have a side the only side is science and the other side is shit that is not my concern right and Obama kind of encourages that don't hate the hater try to understand I listened to my conversation with Greg Proups and I asked how do you tell a toothless white man living in his car when he's standing outside an abortion clinic how do you ask him to check his white privilege and that is a legitimate question if you're a liberal if you're an Obama supporter even a Clinton supporter even a Bernie supporter and Greg silence was like a silent scream if you'll pardon that reference it's like what the f are you talking about who cares you know if you're standing blocking an abortion clinic and screaming at women I don't care that you can't get a job you're traumatized you're standing in front of an abortion clinic screaming at women you aren't looking for a job or that is your job job applications or you are paid there are many people that are paid yes indeed when they talk all about the people paid by George Soros no one's paid by George Soros to go protest I would love some Soros money but these people I know for a fact get paid yeah absolutely so I think some men for Jerry Falwell and I want to ask for an outer but yeah I think the misogyny I think you talk about the misogyny I want you to speak to this there is a misogyny behind the pro-life movement men some men are choice movement yes the anti-choice movement they are sexually frustrated men sexually frustrated men who deep down inside say if I can't get laid and I'm telling not that this makes it better by confessing this to you and I don't think all men have this but I just I there is a little part of me that says if I can't get laid then the people who are getting laid should suffer I see it in myself so how much do you think of this like this inner Jerry Falwell and me is the pro-life movement writ large where I'm sorry I'm sorry yes okay no I mean I think that here's the deal anybody I mean I have to agree because anybody who's had good sex is trying to gap it again so if you can like tell people to not have sex you really reveal a lot about who you are because it's like how could you possibly say that if you've ever had sex that was worth a damn I mean wow you just really or you're just jealous jealous or you are a compulsive weirdo who has no impulse control whatsoever and so you have to try to demonize sex and make everyone stop having it so that because left to your own devices you would probably be having sex with like minors or some creepy ass other a non-contenting thing and I don't want to hear about it and so they're like freaked out you live in Brooklyn right yeah okay there's this amazing party going on downstairs there are young people they're drinking they're smoking dope they're attractive they're on the hallway they're having sex they're having the time of their lives it's Saturday night and I'm upstairs with my Kindle reading the Korematsu decision and I want to call the police not because they're making too much noise for me to focus on the Korematsu Supreme Court decision I want to call the police and say there are people it's fun and I'm not come and break it up I think to some degree that's the anti-choice movement writ large except they're saying I want you I want to get on your lawn I want to get on your lawn like the pro-choice people should be saying get off my fucking lawn like literally get off my lawn how do people reach you they reach me you can find me on Twitter you can go to Lady Parts Justice League we're real fun on Twitter you can get a lot of information it's hilarious and that's LPJ League on Twitter Instagram and Facebook and go to our website and check out and see what we do it's like it's kind of fun to be just a group of people who are telling jokes and trying to do some good in the world and Iowa City is the corn as high as the I'm as corny as Kansas in August as it is high as the moon in the month of July dude the corn here is just bullshit until like July yeah knee high by the 4th of July and then it's not really that good until right after the 4th I'm from Minnesota I can tell you all about 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