 Fox News recently brought on a guest named Douglas Murray and they're gonna have a conversation about more and more people not wanting to have children now The poll that they cite doesn't specifically say that it's because of climate change But they assume that the reason why less people want to have children is because of climate change I think it's probably a number of reasons climate change definitely one of those factors that is making people less likely to want to have children but still the conversation that they had here is going to be very very Unintelligent as you're going to see so let's listen to them and then when we come back I will explain to you why what they're saying is stupid I grow number of Americans never plan on having kids the recent survey revealing 44% of childless adults plan to stay that way That's up 37% in 2018 and in a brand-new op-ed our next guest argues quote climate change Extremists are to blame for this for scaring them out of having children That man joins us out Douglas Murray Douglas. How are they related? Well, the the two recent polls showed first of all unbelievable levels of climate anxiety Among young people two-thirds roughly are saying they on a daily basis are afraid of the future And then you have this this study that shows the what what what it says will be the most precipitous fall-off in Reproduction that's been recorded from people saying they just don't want to have children now We have very prominent figures in America who have led the way on this congresswoman AOC has said, you know, we've got to discuss whether it's ethically right to have children given the climate crisis Pop stars like Miley Cyrus have said I'm not reproducing until the marine situation is is exactly right I don't know what's going to happen when the fishermen are going to come to Miley Cyrus and say it's okay out there again But but these these these people are listened to and crucially the politicians the politicians across the Western world are saying You know, they used to say you've got 24 months or a few years You know the other week Boris Johnson said they've got one minute to save the planet. This isn't informing people It's scaremongering. It's causing young people as we see anxiety starts very early And it's it's pretty pervasive through what the Western society, you know was pointed out, too That we've had these alarmists for quite some time Prince Charles, by the way at that frame same Glasgow come from conferences We have 18 months 18 months to save the world. He's been saying 18 months for about 18 years Right. I don't know why he doesn't change his clock or his watch also in 2004 a major UK newspaper said civilization will be destroyed by 2021 So we and we only have three weeks to live Yeah, you know the problem of all this is when you're an adult like us We've seen this happen mostly American public or you know the middle-aged say we've seen this going on for a long time If you're young, it's quite possible. You believe this and the stats show that they do they actually believe that they're not gonna grow old They actually believe that if they brought children into the world those children will burn to death They've got the the strange medieval like patron saint Greta Thunberg Telling them the same things like this is sort of prophetess of doom And and and if you're young and you and you believe this I'm sorry No, the adults need to change the narrative and the adults need to say look, you know There are issues with carbon emissions, but we can solve them There are issues with this But you know if you want to take it somebody take it to China that's still building hundreds of coal-fired fuel plants every year You know, but but but we're human beings. We've got ingenuity. We're not we're not fated You know, and I said in that in I quoted in that piece on the paragraph very moving sermon that CS Lewis gave in Oxford in The autumn of 1939 and he said then he said if we human beings had waited for the optimal conditions to be in place We would never have done anything right as CS Lewis said in 1939 Human life was always lived on the edge of a precipice now as it happens We're not living on the edge of a precipice at the moment We're living in the luckiest time in history But it's time we communicate to that to young people. Otherwise Literally, there will be no future and 1989 the UN environmental program said we had three years to save the planet Maybe pointing out some of these alarmists how they fell flat on their face and should be embarrassed by their statements would help everybody That would probably help those those thanks so much for coming in expanding on your account great Notice how him saying that will quote have no future because less and less people are having children that in particular Doesn't qualify as scaremongering, but people just worried about the habitability of our planet long-term They're the ones who are scaremongering if you pretend as if we're gonna go extinct because less people are wanting to have kids That's fine. You could you could scaremonger about that climate change. Mmm. You're unreasonable It's just it's incredibly hacky and stupid and honestly the first thing that I could think about as a solution if they're truly You know worried about climate scaremongers and how this affects people wanting to have children is to fix the fucking issue rather than using that platform to lie about climate change and Continuously moving the goalpost. I mean we went from it doesn't exist to oh well climate is always changing You keep moving the goalposts But I mean rather than actually being mad at people for being fearful of climate change Stop lying about climate change and instruct people in your own party the party that you do propaganda form to fix the fucking issue It's just I mean if you truly think it's that big of a deal Then the solution is take care of climate change and maybe more people will want to have kids Now Douglas Murray talks about how it's because of scaremongers like AOC and Celebrities like Miley Cyrus, but I don't think that it's unreasonable To not want to have kids because you don't know what their future is gonna look like look I don't know what the future is gonna have in store The problem is that we don't know and it looks grim It looks bleak even if climate change wasn't an issue the rise of fascism the decline of democracy in the United States and around the World that in and of itself might kind of deter people but climate change is an issue that I think about I mean I have a nephew who seven another nephew who's three You know I have nieces who are two and one and I think what is the world gonna look like by the time? They're old when they're in their 70s and 80s if they're lucky enough to live to be that long What's the world gonna look like is there gonna be wars over water by that time? I think probably by the time we're older we're gonna see wars over water But what is the world gonna look like will we see mass migration by that time? I just we don't know and that uncertainty I think that that is logical to deduce that maybe I don't want to bring a kid into this world if It's gonna suffer so it's not like this is really an unfounded fear again It's not just climate change that is driving this trend. I also think it's the economic situation I mean Millennials and Gen Z's they can't buy cars. They can't buy homes They're you know strapped with student debt the economy doesn't work for them as it did for their you know parents generation and Grandparents generation so there's there's a lot of things driving this trend But Fox News is going to just basically shit on people because they are rightfully concerned with climate change And that's that's just wrong. You're part of the problem You're part of the reason why we're not taking action to stop climate change because this network lies repeatedly and Douglas Murray lies as well now Brian Kilmeade cited a 2004 UK newspaper that supposedly said that you know Civilization would be destroyed by 2020 Okay, first of all, I don't know which unnamed newspaper you're talking about are we talking about the Daily Mail because not necessarily the most credible Are we talking about a tabloid even if this was a reputable organization even if it was the Guardian still Because one person wrote an article that was hyperbolic and sensationalist that disproves all of climate change I just I don't think that he realizes how this doesn't actually prove His point Kilmeade also said that in 1989 UNEP said that we had three years to save the planet now in particular I think I know what quote he's talking about now. He's bungling the quote first of all He's misrepresenting that quote the quote that he's referring to it doesn't say that they have three years to save the planet If I'm thinking of the correct one, it says that we have to fix climate change by 2020 if we want to stop it from being irreversible if we want to stabilize the climate and In particular one person at UNEP said in 1989 Entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000 so if this is the quote that he's referring to then I mean I don't think that that's that far off for the time Right saying that it's really important that we get this under control by 2000 so it's not irreversible. I Don't think that that's that far off I mean it's to the point where it may already be irreversible. I think that's yet to be determined But either way climate change is already here. It's not some distant thing. It's already happening and conservatives like to point to older articles and studies about climate change and Pretend as if they've been disproven. Oh, well, they predicted all of this damage But the problem is that climate change is causing damage. It's causing ocean acidification It's causing Dissertification it's causing the death of coral reefs species are going extinct. It's already here Talk to people who live in island nations about how real climate change is and they can tell you so, you know Even if some of these articles may be hyperbolic and sensationalist that doesn't disprove the severity of climate change They're so disingenuous notice how they have to lie in order to get their point across and when they're not just outright lying Then they deflect they'll say what about China? What about this? What about that? What about, you know people who talk about climate change, but then flying airplanes now Douglas Murray said they actually believe they're not gonna grow Old they actually believe that if they brought children into the world those children would burn to death Talk about a fucking straw man. Look, I don't know that people my age and Gen Z Are going to be able to grow old and not see hell Right. I don't know what to expect. It's the uncertainty that really worries me But I don't think that it's hyperbolic to worry about whether or not current young generations are going to die because of Climate-related issues and no, we're not thinking that the planet is gonna warm so much that we literally Burn like that's that's fucking stupid. That's not what we're talking about here We're talking about global destabilization because of anthropogenic climate change. We're talking about food shortages wars mass migration rising fascism in response to mass migration I mean, we're talking about a ton of different things that is all going to directly and indirectly Impact every single aspect of our lives. It's not just that the weather is gonna be different. That's not what climate change is I mean, sure, we'll see more extreme weather patterns, but it's a huge huge system of things That's all interconnected so we don't know and that Uncertainty is driving this trend that you claim to be concerned with so if you want to reverse the trend and you Want more people to have children? Take climate change seriously stop deflecting stop saying. Oh, well, what about China take it seriously? Call out the fossil fuel giants call out the 100 corporations that are responsible for the lion's share of global greenhouse gas emissions Call out both parties who are refusing to act call out Republicans for their denial Maybe give us some sense that you care about the future of our planet And then people might have a little bit more of an assurance that yes It's okay to bring more people into this world But until then don't be surprised if this trend continues in the direction that it's headed in because I don't blame people I wouldn't want to have kids. I don't think that anyone who Is worried about climate change is wrong to think that they shouldn't have kids because they don't know what type of world Their kid will grow up and I think that that's just logical Why would anyone knowingly bring someone into the world if they're gonna suffer and feel pain? Why do that? So I mean if you care Fixed climate change or at least try to otherwise like don't Condemn the people who care as scare mongers You're the scare mongers in response to a Green New Deal. It's Fox News that lies And they're the ones who are hyperbolic about how AOC wants to ban farting cows and ban airplane travel You're the ones who are hyperbolic. You're the liars. So Stop and maybe more people will feel comfortable about the prospects of having kids