 G'day, May 40 here. So why on earth did Joe Biden go visit Israel in a time of war? No other US president has visited a site of war when the war is still going on, let alone a war for other countries. I mean, what on earth was Joe Biden doing in Israel? Like during a time of war, is it saying it's inexplicable. So here's how I understand it. Either Joe Biden understands some things that no other United States president has ever understood, but he has a wisdom and a perception that no other United States president has possessed, or there's just something unique about this situation that just calls for an American president to go visit it right now. The only other leading American politician who I could think of who might do something like this is Donald Trump, which is why Steve Saylor keeps talking about how Joe Biden is the most Trumpian of all American politicians aside from Donald Trump. I mean, there's no good strategic American reason for Joe Biden to go visit Israel during a time of war. It was just pure ego that endangers the United States. It was against American best interests. It was similar to Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan. That was not in Taiwan's interests. It was not in America's interests. It endangered both Taiwan and the United States, but it felt good for Nancy Pelosi's ego. And for Joe Biden to visit Israel at this time, I guess it must have felt good for his ego, but it's hard to imagine how on earth did that do any actual good for America, or for Israel, or for the Gazans to show up there at a time of war. So either Joe Biden possesses a wisdom that no other American president has, or this situation is unlike any other situation that's ever presented to an American president, or he's doing this for extraneous, probably, egotistical reasons. You may be wondering how is Thomas Baden Reis doing? I wanted to tell you about how insanely happy I am, and how insanely happy I've been away from all this YouTube political crap, really. Because lots of people in our movement, or in our circles, talk about the need for people to develop an inner life, to have a good spiritual life. But I will say that my spiritual life, my inner life is a-okay. It is perfect. I doubt there is a person more content on this planet than I am. I am change. There isn't one. There isn't a change around the corner. We're in this total limbo state. You see, we can't-the van isn't going to fall over the edge of the cliff, but at the same time, it's not going to get out of its precarious situation and drive off over the horizon. That's not going to happen either. So you're just left in this limbo state. And it's really annoying, because at least at the beginning of COVID, we could predict the agenda and things seem to make sense, but the longer and longer this has gone on, the more difficult it appears to decode the agenda. And of course, playing into all of this is the fact that my predictions were wrong. And I said there would be a collapse by last summer, and there hasn't been. And that was keeping me going. In the first year and a half of COVID, that was what's kept me going. And then it didn't happen. And then some people- Wow. I mean, how empty must his life be that his whole reason to keep going in life, to keep living, is his prediction, is to see his prediction fulfilled that everything's going to fall apart. But I am stream sniping Stephen J. James here. Said, well, Thomas, it'll happen by Christmas, but it didn't. It didn't happen by Christmas. We're now in January. So, well, we're essentially coming into February, in fact. So where's it going to happen? When is the collapse going to happen? I don't believe it is. Of course, there's always stories in the media, which make you think, oh, this could go somewhere, like the Kazakhstan story, for example. But where the hell do these things go in the end? They go nowhere. And so you're left in this limbo state. You're left in the limbo state. Okay. I will tell you now, one of my big productions is about the destruction of Israel in September of 2022. And still in this stage, even though I'm saying all my predictions have been wrong, I'm still kind of thinking, ooh, you know what? It could still happen by then. So, you know. But I wanted to say, if it doesn't happen by then, I will definitely then kind of go away until such a time is there is an emergency situation. And I'm quite a loss for the rest of us. Okay. Supposedly this photo from a pro-Palestinian rally in Warsaw has shocked the world. We've identified the young woman in the photo Meet Marie Anderson. She's a Norwegian medical student at the Medical University of Warsaw. Fifth year student. She hails from Oslo, Norway. She's married to a Jordanian. Okay. So it's normal, natural and even healthy that people just instinctively side with their own team. And she's just siding. She's adopting her husband's team and just instinctively siding with her husband's team. I don't think there has to be a lot more to it than that. So you probably heard about that rocket that fell on a hospital in Gaza. And the ironic thing, the fascinating thing, is that this rocket, right, with this misfired rocket by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, it probably achieved more this past week than Hamas succeeded with all its successful missile launches. This is an opinion from Israeli columnist Nakham Barnier. Sometimes you succeed more with a failure than you do with a success. Because even with this failure of Palestinian Islamic Jihad sending a rocket into its own hospital, they managed to galvanize Arab Muslim opinion against Israel and post all any Joe Biden meetings with leading Arab leaders because it's what happens during times of intense conflict and intense emotion. People just behave in a primal tribalistic fashion, which is probably normal, natural and most times healthy. Let's get a little bit more on this. On October 17th, an explosion occurred in the courtyard of Al-Akhli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, killing civilians. Palestinian officials blamed Israel, but a visual analysis by the Wall Street Journal shows that the explosion was caused by a failed rocket launched from inside Gaza, where Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been shooting rockets into Israel since the war began two weeks ago. At around 6.59 p.m. local time, four cameras captured the moments before and after the incident. The journal geolocated and verified the timing of the footage and mapped each camera's vantage point. Camera one, a live feed webcam located just south of Tel Aviv, looks south at Gaza. Camera two, a surveillance camera in Israel near the northern border of Gaza, also facing south. Camera three, a live streamed Al Jazeera news broadcast in western Gaza faces east. And camera four, a bystander cell phone video just southeast of the hospital where the explosion occurred. With this combined view, we can see the failed rocket launch and resulting explosion. At about 6.59 p.m., camera two near the Gaza border shows what rocket experts say is a barrage of short-range rockets, likely capable of traveling between 12 and 25 miles, being launched from western Gaza northeast toward Israel. Then, about 20 seconds later, we see what experts say is a long-range rocket launched from Gaza. The rocket was launched in a northeastern trajectory toward Israel. 10 seconds after launch, a tiny flash of light is seen, and the rocket starts to veer back west. The flash and change in trajectory are consistent with a failed rocket, not with Israel's iron dome defense system shooting it down. Weapons experts the journal spoke to say this change in trajectory is caused by the explosion of the rocket motor. In camera three, the Al Jazeera footage facing east, we can see this minor explosion. Then a trail of fire spreads as the motor blast ruptures the rocket casing and ignites the fuel. The rocket heads west in the direction of camera three with the hospital in its path. 15 seconds after launch, the rocket fails completely and breaks apart. There's a small explosion on the ground, then a second larger explosion at the site of the hospital. A nearby resident captures the moment of impact facing northwest toward the hospital. Fire engulfs the courtyard and burns for an extended period. Experts say the large fire is likely due to the amount of fuel still in the rocket just after launch. Explosives experts who reviewed the blast footage and photos of the aftermath see further evidence that the failed rocket was the cause of the explosion on the ground. This crater shows an impact pattern coming from the east in line with the rocket's path. The shallowness of the crater is also consistent with impact from a failed rocket. Experts say the cars closest to the impact crater were likely hit with fragments from the rocket, causing one to explode and burning several others. These marks next to the crater and damage to the buildings show that the fragments from the impact flew across the grassy areas where civilians were sheltering. Failed rockets are not uncommon in the long-standing conflict between Hamas and Israel. The United Nations determined that in the 2022 flare-up between the two sides, 20% of rockets fired from Gaza failed and in three cases likely resulted in large numbers of civilian casualties. Yeah, definitely. I would say immersed myself is actually the term I now prefer to use because it's the most kind of anthropological term I can think of. But yeah, in my kind of in these immersion experiences, I definitely encountered a lot of individuals who'd gone down the radicalization spiral because of some kind of identity crisis. A lot of them were, I guess, rooted in traumatic childhood experiences or some kind of traumatic and transformative experience that happened early on in their life. So in other words, they are lowly people and attaching yourself to some sort of extremist or cult group is a way to find personal connection. And it's probably same reasons exactly drive people to watch a lot of live streams. Lives, but some of them would also just have have something come up during the teenage years or later on in life where they went through identity crisis in one shape or form that can be in the form of a masculinity crisis. I would even say I also encountered women with what I would call femininity crisis. We don't even talk about that very much because we mostly talk about masculinity crisis. But there were also a lot of questions these women post about their role in society about womanhood and questions like that. For example, when I joined female misogynist communities, which is really, which sounds like an oxymoron, but these women do exist and they glorify even things like domestic violence and hyper-conservative family and family models. We recently talked about Pearl Davis, so unfortunately familiar with that side of the pool. Yeah, but a lot of them in general, I would say whether I looked at Islamist extremists in ISIS networks or at neo-Nazis or misogynist communities, it was very often that sense that they felt like... Yeah, people want to feel alive, people want to feel connected. And so some people find that through getting drunk, doing drugs, watching porn, or doing all of those things and joining some sort of extremist or court-like group. It needed to look for some new form, very strong form of group belonging. And a lot of them were also driven by some deeper sense of loneliness or lacking kind of social connection in their real lives. And they found that in these new communities, in these new groups, where often these groups then become almost like family replacements and they even talk in kinship language to each other. So yeah, I think that was a commonality on a psychological level. Julie, we were recently talking to the host of the Conspiratiality podcast and they were asking our opinions about this kind of age-old debate amongst researchers and amongst public intellectuals about the role of ideology versus the role of social factors, deprivation or geopolitical things and psychological characteristics of individuals. Like what is the dominating factor? What's the mix in there? And obviously of people like Sam Harris that have quite strongly argued for ideology as the key component in other researchers arguing that psychological and social factors are more significant. And I'm curious from your work what you think about that mix. And if there are if there is any ingredient that is particularly potent in pushing people towards extremist groups? Yeah, yeah. I mean, most of today's evidence suggests that ideology alone cannot really drive extremism. That's usually a combination of different factors in ideology or narrative. So often just an outlet for personal struggles for. This is this is exactly right. Ideology and religion, extreme politics, extreme sports are often just an outlet for personal frustrations. Psychological crisis. So it's usually a combination of there is a kind of personal grievance or a personal there are different psychological factors that play a big role and that then are channeled towards an ideology, which is also why there are so many similarities across different ideologies. In my first book, The Rage, I examined the parallels between Islamist extremism and far right extremism. And there are so many, there are so many parallels in terms of the radicalization pathways of individuals, but also in terms of the narratives where you always have the same type of narrative and you can just replace certain words with others and you essentially have the same ideology like Muslims are at war with the West or the West is at war with Muslims or there is an inevitable conflict of races, cultures and religions. Yeah, she should make some good points. There are some inherent conflicts in certain situations between different races and different religions, but in different situations, the conflicts are not nearly as intense. All right, Ricardo has joined the chat. He says jigdatz meaning Jewish nationalists are succumbing to the dangers of the e-personality, marginalized losers sharing their genocidal fantasies online. So if you're sharing genocidal fantasies online, particularly in an identifiable way, that is something that's going to get you socially marginalized. I remember just walking down the street just outside of Beverly Hills and this Israeli guy starts yelling death to the Arabs. I was like, whoa, now this guy didn't have a prestigious job. All right, he had the kind of job that he essentially can't be canceled from. But yeah, sharing any kind of genocidal fantasy online is not going to usually result in a happy, healthy, successful life. Ricardo says the people of color are not going to let them indulge their violent anti-social tendencies. Well, someone making a tweet, all right, that's usually as far as it's going to go. So this idea that people of color are not going to allow Jews to tweet or to express their opinions online, that's absurd. Am I going to bring on Kristen Ruby for frame game conspiracy theories that know who Kristen Ruby is? I want to hear more about Elliot's plan to save the Palestinians by deporting them to Madagascar. Well, I'm a Zionist. I support the Jewish state. I want the Jewish state to prosper and the existence of Palestinians who hate it right next to it is obviously a grave danger to the Jewish state. So yeah, I would love the Palestinians to up and move. I would love them to go to Jordan. I would love them to go to Egypt. But I understand why Jordan, Egypt and other surrounding Arab Islamic nations don't want to bring them in because one, they would be a seeding who essentially what was the ethnic cleansing that prepared the way for the modern state of Israel and to the Arab Islamic nation surrounding the Palestinians don't see any benefit to them from importing them. So I expect Egypt and Jordan to want to act in their own better interest. Riccardo says, Jignaz better be careful. They're not in control anymore. People of color let protests happening even with no media support. Well, on American college campuses, that's probably where you get more of a reflection of overall First World experiences than in the rest of America. That's where you have the most robust criticism of Israel and where you have Arabs and Muslims feeling most comfortable with showing the flag for their side. So I don't think that what's going on at American college campuses is some great shame that you have Arabs and Muslims rallying and showing the flag for their side. I expect in a time of conflict, people on either side will just instinctively side with their team. They're not going to try to think about things in some kind of hyper-objective way. The pets are off their leash biting their owners. Well, Jews are still about 1.5% of the population of the United States. They have a great deal of influence and agency and expertise in the United States. So they tend to punch above their numbers in many different areas. I don't think Jews are going to disappear from public life in America. American Jews are usually irrelevant in what terms? I mean, if you're talking in terms of economics, no, they're not irrelevant. If you're talking in terms of education, they're not irrelevant. In terms of culture, they're not irrelevant. But in playing for the Dallas Cowboys offensive line, yet they are irrelevant. So I'm irrelevant to 99.99999% of humanity. And I suspect that you are equally irrelevant to 99.999% of humanity, but we both have people who love us. These narratives, these kind of overall threat narratives and apocalyptic ideas are very often inherently part of extremist ideologies. What now in my latest research, and I guess, I mean, Chris, you're very, very much familiar with that having been involved in that research as well. But what kind of shows up as the most, I guess, significant trade or the most significant characteristic in radicalization pathways towards violence is a mix of identity fusion. So when the personal group, when the personal identity becomes one with the group identity, but also then dehumanizing and demonizing labels that are applied to the out group. And that is, of course, inherently often inherently part of an extremist ideology. It's not just part of an extremist ideology. It's a normal natural. And to a degree, depending on the circumstance, can be even healthy. In times of extreme stress, we don't tend to have a great deal of empathy for the out group. Lack of empathy for out groups or having a part of ourselves deep down inside who regards out groups as subhuman is pretty much a universal part of the human condition. Now, people who are aligned with extremist politics or with courts, all right, they came to these extreme positions from a place of loneliness, disconnection, they are therefore more likely to manifest their psychosocial wounds in a more blatant manner than people have things to lose. Like, for example, the Great Replacement idea or or jihadist ideologies that would already have that demonization narrative as an integral part of what what their framework is standing for. And then to the show, I saw a duvet that a president of a synagogue in Detroit was killed. You know anything about this story? Yeah, God forbid, shocking. I mean, I know the woman. I was friends with the friends with the woman for 10 years. I remember the first time she walked in there. And she led to went on to become president. As far as the story, there's no knowledge of why it happened or motive. I mean, God forbid, she was found on the street, stabbed multiple times. And there was a trail of blood going back to her apartment. And the police believe that the stabbing happened in her apartment. And there's no known motive. And the police are have not determined whether you've got forbid it was a hate crime or a robbery. And also, she's a very active political activist. She, you know, she helped campaign for Dana Nessle. She's one of the leaders of the Democratic Party, Dana Nessle, the Attorney General, the very anti Trump lesbian woman, pro abortion. She also worked for Elisa Slotkin, Hillary Clinton. And she's friends with Rashida Tlaib. And there was another like two politicians activist killed in Detroit in the last few weeks. So there's also speculation that there could be some that it could be connected to her political political activity. And that could be anything like, you know, God forbid abortion pro life or any political wacko. But it's tough to say like, typically, like guns are very easy to come by. So if it was just a regular robbery, they probably would have came with a gun, not a knife. But you know, like I said, like everyone has a gun in Detroit, it's not very hard to get one. So like God forbid just a bunch of unknowns, and it's made the national media, you know, because of the war and speculation that has something to do with the war. And you know, so God forbid. And what how dangerous is that area where she was living? I think she's probably relatively safe. I mean, it's like a gentrified area apartment complex. So there's always risk everywhere in Detroit, you know, generally, there's about 400 murders in Detroit a year, sometimes like three to 400, about 75% of them go unsolved. About 90% of those murders are black on black crime. So, you know, like non blacks being killed in Detroit is not actually that common, although it's a very dangerous place in general. And what can you tell me about the synagogue that she was the president of? Well, it was the only synagogue that lasted the, you know, the 67 riots revolution, where the Jews basically fled to the suburbs. And that was for multiple reasons, possibly it had African American converts that held it together. And it was like a businessman, Mincha Minyan. So even though the Jews had moved out, that there's still a lot of Jews who worked in Detroit, and they had a Mincha Minyan that kept it around. And it was historically Orthodox. And then it switched to conservative. In the early 2000s, they'd even tried to like sell the building the and they were disallowed, like illegally, they weren't able to like sell the building and keep the profit. And, and then a few people got involved in trying to renovate the synagogue, bring it back together. I was one of the early people. And I had wanted to make an Orthodox Minyan and, you know, do it like a more orthodox, facetic style, but that was not popular. And, you know, we had many in a while there were Jews coming. And I, you know, accepted the liberalism. So we just prayed there were women and it was mostly liberal. And after about five, 10 years of, you know, trying to rebuild it up. And there was enough of a Jewish presence there through democratic processes. They basically went liberal social justice, hired a reform rabbi, you know, Harvard alumni female, and turned it away from, you know, they canceled Morning Minyan for years. Like I woke up and drove to Detroit early just, I think it was just Thursday that we did it, but to try to make a Thursday Morning Minyan. I went there Friday nights in the summer and, you know, I helped create a lunch and learn and like brought in speakers. I'd even made, you know, donations. I'd spoke lunch and learn. And people weren't really interested in the Torah and classical Judaism. So once there was enough of a Jewish presence, they went liberal and you became like a social justice synagogue. And they got like a whole bunch of money, like five, $6 million from foundations. The rabbi is like a Wexner scholar. This woman, Sam Wol, is has Orthodox family. So she was one of the few women that actually knew how to lead services. She went to like a conservative Jewish day school. I actually got her uncle goes to young Israel. I was friendly with her uncle, who also was like a cousin and lead services at young Israel. So she was a prayer leader and you had Orthodox family. And although she tiered liberal in the sense like she would go in where Yamaha lead prayer services, her politics are unclear. Like she was a rising star in the Democratic Party. But she was also a member of the AJC. So she was friends with Rashida Tlaib. She didn't go all the way left like Jewish boys for peace, or if not now, and like being pro-Palestinian. But all the other issues like, you know, like abortion, feminism, immigration, economic justice. You know, she was a full time leftist activist. And she was big time. Like you could see all the papers publishing her name, like even Hakeem Jeffries, the congressional staffer. I mean, she was considered a congressional staffer. So it could be some sort of, you know, not even just anti-Semitism, a targeted political assassination. Now Jews have complicated relations with blacks. I'm just trying to think off the top of my head is some ways that the Jewish reactions to blacks are different from those of non-Jewish whites with similar educational levels of IQ. So it seems to me that Jews typically lead white flight when when blacks move into a neighborhood, yet Jews seem to be a little bit more pro-civil rights than your, I'm not sure they're more pro-civil rights than than whites with the same level of IQ and university education. Jews tend to be more more likely to shy away from physical confrontation than your typical white person. Jews often find it, particularly Orthodox Jews, find it, you know, fascinating frequently to talk about blacks. There can be a topic that can engage, you know, 20, 30, 40, you know, minutes, an hour. So Jews in America used to typically employ blacks as servants until they switched to Hispanics in the last 30 years or so. When you account for the same level of IQ and the same level of secular education, what differences, if any, would you see between the way that Jews relate to blacks and the way that non-Jewish whites relate to blacks? Well, yeah, I mean, Jews kind of fulfilled that management position. And, you know, so she was a democratic activist and pushing political things and kind of rose as a leader. And, you know, obviously, she was probably making a bunch of money and, you know, relatively upper middle class and, you know, had just these huge amounts of funding for her various activities. I mean, there's been a trend, like what you were talking about, I said that Jews fleeing the urban areas for the suburbs. And we've talked about that before, where I said like basically all Jews live in blue areas because Jews could only flee so far. They're connected to the urban areas. And basically all urban areas now are multicultural. And Jews typically are not going to go all the way into the red area. So like in Metro Detroit, the fleeing into the suburbs, they said a hard stop. Like they're not Jews are not continuing to move further out. And in the last decade, there's been a return for Jews to try to re go into cities and things like gentrification. It's not typically Orthodox, although the Orthodox might join in gentrification at some point once it's been successful. So like Duvid or Sam were on the front lines of the return for Jews because, you know, like she actually was living in Detroit. And, you know, because Orthodox Jews need the community structure in place, they need a minion and the kosher services. However, you would find individual Jews. But you have the gentrification aspect. And it's very difficult for Jews, because if I'm going to Metro Detroit, like I don't want to be average with the blacks, because like the blacks God forbid that live in below the poverty line, the average black, and it has a much lower education level. So typically the Jews end up in the gentrified area, trying to be management. And then there's the, you know, the savior complex, where are you really benefiting the black people by moving in and like the democratic leadership and trying to, you know, be leaders in the community, or do blacks actually do better having their own leadership controlling their own cities than, you know, so to say, like putting Jews in charge of them. And so it's also remotely possible if it was a black crime, as opposed to which would be the most likely I mean, statistically, you know, it's probably over 90% that it was a black who killed her, although there's no knowledge about anything just on the demographics and you who commits murders in Detroit, whether it was motivated or something like that, or whether it could have even been a political statement like you Jews are not going to come back in here into the city and take control of our city. Like even if you're nice and you're smart, but I mean, because she was nice and smart, but also she was democratic leadership, who's basically trying to force like a liberal agenda, or you know, tell the blacks what's best for them. And is Detroit on any sort of trajectory right now? Is it improving? Is it getting worse, staying the same? We had the white mayor, Mike Duggan, who actually married an Arab woman. And there was, after the bankruptcy in the ousting of the Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who was, you're just like taking bribes and doing unethical things in Detroit, then you had Mayor Dave Bing former basketball player. And there was a rise of more non white, more more non blacks moving into Detroit gentrification, business coming. And there was politics and disputes with the black majority about how good that was, but it was generally going in the more direction of more multiculturalism, immigration, gentrification, and then COVID-19 hit. And it largely put a stop to the non black migration into Detroit. And since then it's been at a little bit of a standstill. So you can see like the Jews are basically part of the gentrification like the downtown synagogue, just like spent $6 million to build like, you know, revamp the building. There's been a few like apartment buildings. So in the gentrified area, it's extremely expensive like apartments are like New York prices cost like $2,000 a month for rent. And then if you go a mile or two out, you still have abandoned houses. And the standard of life like saying, you know, like I used to talk about the price of lunch. So like the price of lunch in the gentrified area is going to be like, you're going to have to spend like $15, $20 on lunch. However, your average African American in Detroit, like at a cheaper diner, they want to spend like $4 or $5 on lunch. So it's probably the same in LA in some neighborhoods with like gentrification and a newer batch of liberal Jews, you know, university graduates. And also the last aspect, you know, what type of jobs do Jews do? So there's a lot in the medical profession, a lot of the banking is still headquartered in the urban areas in the medical profession. And then there's a lot of non-for-profits like of the Jews in Detroit, almost like half of them work for non-for-profits. And you know, so there's somewhat being funded by outside sources that are pushing for gentrification. Okay, let's welcome Rodney to the show. Rodney, what are you seeing in the news these days that's grabbing your attention? Well, I don't think we should assume, by the way, is my sound okay, Luke? Yeah, you're fine. Okay, great. I don't think we should assume that the stabbing this, the duvet's talking about has anything to do with what's going on the Middle East. I mean, I think it's kind of funny that everybody's talking about anti-Semitism, but you know, Joe Biden talked about it, a lot of the Democratic members of Congress have been talking about it. But a lot of these people that are now decrying it have been, shall we say, interestingly silent when Jews have been attacked by Black people and broad daylight on streets of New York, which has been going on, what, two, three years now, Luke? We see it, you know, quite a bit. And there's been crickets, even from people, you know, say take New York, for instance, Jerry Nadler, the last Jewish congressman, I believe, in the New York area, New York City, remarkably silent and Schumer, the same thing. We didn't hear anything from them. And of course, now we see, and then on the right, we had decries of censorship and free speech and all that. And now they're actually in canceling, and now they're wanting people canceled who don't toe their APAC talking line. So what I've gotten out of this whole mess, you know, since the attacks in Israel has been a whole lot of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle, where was all the big League Democratic politicians, where they've been for two years, while Jews have been attacked in major US cities, by, let's just say, a more important constituent in their party. It's kind of interesting. And, you know, Republicans, not too long ago, was talking about, we shouldn't censor anybody, everybody should have free speech. Nobody should be canceled and deny the job if, you know, for free speech. And yet, they're calling just for that. They're one of these kids that are protesting on the campus, isn't they? I don't agree with all of those protests. Kids do dumb things when they're young. We all did. But should that, should they have to carry that proverbial cross for the rest of their career? But that used to be the argument of conservatives when the left would dig out a 25-year-old statement or a 10-year-old tweet from somebody and, you know, use it to get them fired. So it's just, you know, the hypocrisy, the emotionally charged over simplifications, you know, the fact that we've not learned anything from, you know, 50 years of this mess. And it's probably going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. From the war point of view, I think Israel's in a conundrum. If they go into Gaza proper, they're facing a Stalingrad type of situation. And it'll probably lick Stalingrad look like a cakewalk because Hamas has had how many years to tunnel that place and set booby traps. There'll be a sniper in, you know, in every burned-out or blown-up building rubble like it was in Stalingrad. And there'll be more suicide bombers than what they can handle. So I think they're, they have a lot of trepidation about going into an urban warfare situation where there's two million, you know, people, maybe more. And then up on the northern border, Hezbollah is a different animal. And I seem to remember the last time Israel had an outing with Hezbollah, it wasn't a smashing success by any means. And so I think there are people who really need to hold their breath. Now, you know, these reports, you know, hostages being taken, civilians, you know, I've said on your show a lot of times that there's no more cowardly act than to target civilians by either side. And that's what's happening here. And the bigger question is how much, how big a, you know, how, how much pound of flesh, how many pounds of flesh does Israel want? They've now killed probably the same amount on each side. Hamas took out 13, maybe 13, 1400 Israelis. There's probably been equal to or the same amount of Palestinians now in Gaza has been killed. How far does this have to go before it spirals out of control? I mean, you know, World War One was started over something like this. And interesting, the excuse that they did this to break up Saudi Arabia and Israel's, you know, establishing diplomatic relations. I'm not really buying that because Saudi Arabia promptly came out on the side of the Palestinians. And if they were that close to establishing relations into the stat important, at least the Saudis, they could have just said nothing. And it wouldn't have mattered. But the fact that they just almost immediately, they were one of the first two that basically blamed, blamed Israel. And most of the propaganda, the statements going back and forth, people seem to forget that in wartime, both sides lie. I don't take anything as gospel from the Israelis. No pun intended. And I don't think I don't take anything from Hamas's gospel. No pun intended there either, because both sides lie. You know, we've heard about decapitated babies, but we certainly haven't seen evidence that was reported from one IDF soldier to one foreign correspondence. And it seemed to take root. I remember back in the first Gulf War, when Iraqis were accused of dragging babies out of, out of incubators, and that turned out to be a bullface lie, the crying Kuwaiti that was crying before Congress turned out to be the daughter of an Iraqi opposition person in the United States and had never even been to Iraq. She'd been born in the United States. So, you know, I think people jumping on this Jenna, you know, think Nikki Haley, for instance, she's been absolutely repulsive. She wants to run out and show her manhood by, you know, getting more other people's kids and grandkids to die for a foreign cause. We're really, we have no interest there. And I also remember Benjamin Netanyahu during the Obama administration standing in Congress when he was invited to address Congress when Obama was working out the Iran deal. Originally, he came to the Congress at the request of Republicans to speak out against it. He did. And I remember his statements very clearly saying, we don't need the United States to help us or defend this. We can do that ourselves. Well, you know, why don't we take the man at his word? But it certainly is a great opportunity. At least, you know, Israel, that might have been their original thought was, let's just finish this off and just push them into Egypt, across the crossing Egypt and take them. And King Abdullah and George is not going to take them. Maybe that was, there were some thoughts behind that. But there was also a great opportunity for Neocons and both parties and Biden to use this to send more money to Ukraine than to Israel. And I don't think that's going to work either. I do. But anything you want to jump in with here? Yeah, you know, I had a debate with Elliott on Stephen James channel the other day, and there's a big mismatch between what Israel wants to do and thinks is going to happen and what's likely to happen. And that's the expulsion of Gaza. Like I was showing the tablet article just today that's still trying to push your pressure on Egypt, saying, you know, the real problem here is that Egypt won't let Israel expel the Gazans into the Sinai. And Israel's in a big quagmire because in all likelihood, there's two options. And that's either absorption of the Gazans into Israeli society or expulsion. And most Israelis know that and vastly favor expulsion. Although you could say like expulsion is impossible. It's a war crime. It's not going to happen. They're going to fight there. You know, hundreds of thousands of them are going to be willing to die other than expulsion. And, you know, Luke knows kind of the facts. Rodney knows the facts. He fows Israeli media versus the American, you know, kind of like Hasbora to say like Israel, you know, Israeli Jews are kind of like American Jews where it's like, no, Israeli Jews are way far to the right. You know, like even genocidal language, like what Duvitz says, you know, we should just give all the people in Gaza Israeli citizenship. There's more people in Israel openly advocating for genocide than for that. And of the opinion that somehow this is going to be resolved by pushing them into the Sinai and other nations are going to take them, I would estimate a probably like half of Jews, I mean, half of Israelis, that's what they think is going to happen. And like even Elliott, even like, you know, Nathan Kauffness are coming up like, you know, trying to defend that option in terms of the military. Like, you know, so right now the bombing, you know, that say Israel wants to get as many of them out of there as possible before the ground campaign. I was on this channel Defense Politics Asia with a global panel of mostly military experts last night. And Israel itself is saying, be ready for 10,000 soldiers to die for the invasion in Gaza, not just like the bombing, but actually soldier deaths. And they were comparing it to like Vietnam with the tunnels and booby traps or like Rodney saying Stalingrad, because Hamas has about like 40,000 fighters, some people estimate between like 20 and 100,000 plus fighters. And even if they were to push the population out and then eventually they have to clear it. Most military experts would estimate it's going to be like one Israeli death for every two or three Gaza, you know, deaths with all the booby traps and tunnels. And even Israel is openly saying that and a lot of Israelis are ready for that. So like, you know, when the Israeli general said, we're going to do this and it's going to cost 10,000 Jewish lives, a lot of Jews have accepted that. But that is still basically hinged upon the ability to expel the rest of the Gazans someplace else. So it's a real disaster. You know, like I pray for de-escalation and I've been kind of pushing like they got to absorb those people, give them citizenship. I'm sure Luke would vastly argue about that in like Jewish voice for peace, like less than 10% of American Jews probably support what I'm saying and probably only like 2% of Israeli Jews support what I'm saying. So like God forbid there probably is going to be a war and there's probably going to be I mean, so the people on the expert military people said that actually Israel's estimate of 10,000 soldier deaths is low and they're estimating 20 to 40,000. Let's say that there's no Iran or Hezbollah or bombing, but just the battle between Israel and Hamas and Gaza, people are estimating it's going to cost 40,000 Jewish soldiers' lives. Rodney, you want to jump in here? Yeah, I think 10,000 is projecting a lot of hope. I actually think it would probably they would lose, the IDF would lose probably three to four, maybe even five for every one Palestinian and Gaza because they're going into a place that is fundamentally different since they left it, you know, under, I think it was actually Sharon that handed it over to them of all people, of all prime ministers and we keep hearing that the IDF has called up 300,000 troops. 90% of that are reservists, which would be equivalent to maybe they don't even aren't even as active as our national guards are here in the States. So 300,000 troops against, you know, you have a population of 2 million in Gaza and let's just say, let's just say for sake of argument that Hamas has 50,000 fighters, those 50,000 fighters going to be able to do a horrific amount of damage because they're battle tested. Now the wild card is, and I suspect this is going to happen as soon as they go into, by the way, all those the show of tanks and all of that, tanks don't function well in that type of setting. Again, if you look at how many tanks of Soviets lost in the Battle of Berlin and how many tanks both sides lost to Stalingrad, tanks don't work good in urban warfare. So it's just, I mean, think Mogadishu, think what happened to us in Somalia on a much grander and much bloodier scale. And then of course, they commit those troops going into Gaza. Can Israel and from the point of view of manpower and logistics support a two front war? Hezbollah is a totally different animal up on the North. They have an excess of confirmed and excess of 100,000. But troops far more advanced weaponry. And I would venture to say that if Hezbollah, if Israel, the idea commits and goes into Gaza with the majority of the reservists down in the South, Hezbollah would probably go as far as Haifa before Israel could effectively stop them. And then we get into a situation which we're not supposed to know. We're not supposed to acknowledge, but we've been worried about Russians deploying nuclear weapons. I think Israel would be far more apt to deploy nuclear weapons than, you know, and if they're having Hezbollah come at them from the North and Hamas tying them down in Gaza, I think they would be more apt to deploy some sort of tactical nuke before Russia ever would. And Rodney, what do you think the chances are that there will still be a Jewish state of Israel in 10 years? I'm optimistic, believe it or not. I really am, which is kind of different for me. But I think that cooler heads usually prevail. And, you know, we hear the two scenarios that Duvet brought up, which is true. I've heard them too. Either absorb them all and give them Israeli citizenship. That won't work. I mean, that's just not going to be work. I mean, think about it. Netanyahu had a hell of a time after he lost to, oh, I can't remember, Natali Bennett when he lost to him. Remember, Netanyahu could have stayed in power if he'd had to cut a deal with the Arab parties, the Arab Israeli parties, and Netali Bennett refused. So when you have both the major power blocks refusing to make, you know, to basically cut a deal to become Prime Minister with, you know, the Arab, that goes to show you the state of affairs. That's where the apartheid stuff comes. Criticisms come from the level against Israel. I mean, you know, we can say, oh, no, it's not. No, it's not. Well, there's certainly some shades of it there. So you're not going to be able to absorb. And also, there's the demographic issue. Are you going to give all of those Gazans and Palestinians on the West Bank Israeli citizenship? That fundamentally changes. And the only time Jews want to change the demographics of a country is if it's someplace else but Israel. That's just fact by their own statements. So that's not going to work. You're not going to expel them either. That's not going to work. I mean, you know, they're already having problems, regardless of the statements about pro, you know, we stand with Israel. But the whole time, I mean, here you got Biden saying, don't let your rage guide you. And the same thing's coming out of Europe. Fact is, both sides need a state. And they both need to be a state with self determination. And Israel, you know, Palestinians have got to stop firing rockets and engage in terrorist activities in Israel. And Israel can't be blockading the Palestinian state and starving them out. So that's a solution. And we keep hearing that two state solution, two state solution. And they're going to have to, at some point. And what I think I saw a really interesting article, it happened here in the United States, though, where there was a young era, but I think it was a teenage, I can't remember the age, but this, I think maybe in Palestinian was murdered, much like the rabbi was up in Detroit. And two Jewish rabbis went to the funeral. And that got me to thinking, what happens if we start making the parents, Israeli parents go to the funerals of the dead Palestinian kids and Palestinians go to the funerals of dead Israeli kids. At some point, you have to realize that your children aren't, it's not worth this political BS anymore. That's one of my biggest fundamental issues against war at all is it's always, the chicken hawks are always screaming to send somebody else's kids and grandkids a fight. Both sides are going to have to come to the conclusion that they've lost enough children and grandchildren and they want it to stop. And I kind of think that might, that might happen. And I also saw an interesting article, I think Drudge posted, Luke, where the press in Israel is now feeling intimidated by publishing anything other than the screaming war cries and the extremist stuff that we hear from among Israelis. Sometimes the Duba talked about. So at some point, you think that, but again, it always has to get worse before it gets better. And I'm just kind of a little concerned about what that worse is. I certainly don't want the US entangled in all this. I think people, we hear people talking about the founding fathers, well, George Washington was the first to say, stay out of foreign entanglements. And yet he's been disregarded throughout the last two centuries since he died. We get entangled with Europe, which we didn't need to. We get entangled in the Middle East, NATO, all of this stuff. Why should we care if two countries are fighting when there's absolutely no national interest to the United States? I mean, Turkey and Greece, just to digress a little bit, are NATO allies. And they're always on the verge of war. So who are we going to side in NATO if Greece and Turkey go at it? We have to just have to pick one? They're both NATO members. We're supposed to defend both of them. Are we going to deploy troops to defend Turkey and Greece against one another? I mean, this is nuts. Do you have anything you want to say? Yeah, I mean, there's got to be real possibilities of World War Three. And if you saw, like I was seeing yesterday, the Russian, your Dagestani MMA fighters that just like dominating the divisions MMA, they were all like draped in Palestinian flags, they dedicated their victory. One of them even said, like after the fight, like send me to Palestine, give me a weapon and send me to Palestine. And these protests like, you know, like I forbid, like the numbers are swelling, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands. However, if the US stay steady in not even necessarily going to war, but just can't containing the battle, so it's just Israel versus Gaza, still like the Israeli side only works for the war. It only makes sense if they're going to be able to successfully expel the Palestinians. I think, I mean, Luke agrees that I'm not sure maybe I'll put it straight to Luke, but my impression is that the majority of Israelis right now think that they're that they have a decent chance of expelling the Palestinians. And even like American right wing publication, even somewhat mainstream leftist Americans are somewhat softly backing the expulsion, then it gets into questions like how forbid what we first started talking with Rodney also about World War Two. And the Holocaust functionalist versus instrumentalist is did the Holocaust start as an expulsion and when that didn't work turned into a genocide. And, you know, I also add that most military experts believe that the bombing that Israel is doing serves no military purpose. It's not helping destroy Hamas, the rockets, everything's underground, mostly civilians being killed. And so why is Israel doing it? One would be because Israel doesn't want to lose lives and it's kind of just like revenge or they're doing the best with the technology they have because they know if they go in with troops, it's going to cost countless Israeli lives. And also because like they said, they want to force an evacuation. As of now, Israel still has the order for an evacuation. They're still calling hospitals and other things and saying you got to get out or we're going to bomb you. And they're moving them into refugee camps within Israel. I think now there's 300,000 in one of them of people that have actually left. And, you know, so I'll put it to you, Luke. I mean, do you agree that the majority of Israelis and even a sizable chunk of American Jews right now think that maybe they are going to somehow be able to get away with expelling them and pushing them into Egypt or getting foreign nations to take them? I don't believe so. And I haven't seen any serious argument in that direction from any mainstream Jewish press, whether in America or in Israel. Now, would most Israelis prefer the Palestinians to disappear? Yes. But I don't think most Israelis believe that they can possibly expel the Palestinians. Rodney, I thought it was absolutely bizarre that Joe Biden visited Israel this week. There's absolutely no strategic or American interest that would argue for him doing so. The only possible reason that I can come up with that he visited Israel was for the sake of his own ego. How do you understand Joe Biden's visit to Israel this past week? Well, you know, he didn't accomplish anything, the so called 20 aid trucks that he said was going to go into Gaza. He said he secured that. That hasn't happened. He said they had to fix the road. Well, that's because in the immediate, you know, after of October 7th, the Israeli Air Force bombed that gate. We don't hear too much about it, but they Israeli air targeted that gate and blew that gate up. But you don't need to fix a highway to get aid trucks in. Has anybody ever seen these military transport trucks? They do quite well off road. So in 20 trucks, so that was all BS. I don't think it was ego, Luke. I think it was pure politics, which was kind of bizarre, too, like he needs to shore up the Jewish vote. 68% of the Jewish vote voted for him anyway. Even though Donald Trump was the one that moved the embassy to Jerusalem, they have little communities named after him, but still 68% of the Jewish vote, as I recall, Luke, or maybe it was a little higher, still went to Joe Biden. So he doesn't need to shore that up by any means. Now it could be an attempt to, you know, cut into the evangelical vote, but they're not going to vote for him. So I think it was political and he likes to brag that he was the first U.S. president to go into a war zone. That's not true. Franklin Roosevelt was. Franklin Roosevelt went to North Africa, certainly after U.S. troops landed in 1942. And there's a famous picture of him in the back of a jeep. So, I mean, he even lied about that. But so, and then he couldn't get a boss wouldn't take his phone call. Al-Sisi just promptly canceled through his foreign minister. And I remember somebody kept him waiting eight hours. I can't remember who that was. And then, of course, the King of Jordan. The Saudi Arabian Qatar that was blinking at Biden. Oh, okay. Blinking. Okay. Well, I mean, this, this is all rather bizarre. It's almost as if, you know, Joe Biden saying one thing and actually the other. I think you're missing the reality of how close expulsion was to happen and still might be. And Biden was going, one thing to show unequivocal support for Israel, you know, Israel's U.S. has Israel's back. And Biden probably feels like that, you know, despite his democratic value, like, you know, he would be a military warrior on behalf of Israel, the funding Biden, you know, unabashedly just requested $16 billion more in weapons. And at the time when he went, he was supposed to have the meeting of Egypt and Jordan. And it might have also been the UAE, but the other nation was less instrumental in the meeting. And it was supposed to be about the humanitarian corridor that Biden was basically saying, like, look, Hamas attacked Israel has the right to defend themselves, go in and destroy Hamas. And what they need to do is cooperate in creating the humanitarian corridor. And Biden was supposed to negotiate with Egypt to make that humanitarian corridor in the Sinai Peninsula. And then the hospital bombing happened. And Jordan and Egypt, you'll probably saw that you're like, no, the U.S. was going to be complicit in war crimes. And but I think you're missing how close this forced expulsion was. Let's talk about that for a little bit. I mean, you agree that Biden went there to create a humanitarian corridor and he went to pressure Egypt to make that humanitarian corridor in the Sinai Peninsula. I think that was part of the meeting was supposed to be between Biden and he was going to meet with Al-Sisi and Egypt and King Abdullah and Jordan and a boss of the Palestinian Authority. Okay. Al-Sisi and King Abdullah promptly quit. They gave an excuse that there has to be three days or more. I mean, okay, let's take that. But why would he even meet with a boss? A boss's party is not in charge of Gaza. I can't remember the name of his party right off hand. But you know, the Palestinians are not monolith by any means. They have their different versions. And a boss is like 90 years old. He's probably as effective today as Paul von Hindenburg was effective in 1933 in Germany. Yeah, Fata. His party is named Fata. And he is 87, I believe. Okay. So again, none of it made any sense other than keep in mind, Joe Biden himself is facing, I keep calling it the Paul von Hindenburg look. Joe Biden's facing that too. And this could have been an attempt also politically to show, oh, he's a wartime president. He's flying in the war zones. Look how sexy Joe Biden is. He'll come up and sniff your air if you don't believe us. I mean, it was all rather bizarre because nothing was accomplished. Nothing has been accomplished. And then of course, after Joe Biden did it, then Gavin Newsom had to say that he was going to. Well, we know what that's all about. That's just being an attention and you can fill in the second word. Well, I mean, what are you talking about? Like Biden, Blinken and Biden both sat in the Israeli war meeting. They both did whatever power they could without the Congress to replenish weapons. And they got Biden to come home and make a speech to America requesting 16 billion dollars in funds. I mean, so the the perspective is like, you're, I mean, because the narrative of like, you know, Biden being anti Israel is saying like, no, I mean, Biden is, oh, I didn't say Biden was anti Israel. Like, of course, there was an accomplishment. Biden unequivocally backed Israel. He sent, of course, he sent the the naval fleets into the Mediterranean. He publicly basically warned the other nations that if you jump in this, America will will go to war for the half of Israel. So I don't know what you're talking about. And Biden wanted to bully the Arab nations. And that's like, so they backed out by can bully anybody. Let's talk about the deployment of the fleet. The USS Eisenhower was already scheduled to be there as the person, but Biden, as the commander in chief of the US Army, Biden was there to bully Egypt and Jordan. And I'm claiming that he was there, like the real intention was to bully. I mean, he's even stated explicitly was the creation of the humanitarian corridor into the Sinai Peninsula. And so you're just looking at Biden as the weak leader, which he might be, but he's still commander in chief. Okay, I can do that. We got the point. It's clear. Rodney, please, please respond. Okay, when was the last time, Luke? I mean, I think I have the correct answer. You can Google it. When was the last time there was a mass, so called expulsion? It was the partition of India and Pakistan. That was the last time in history. There has been that would be this significant of an expulsion for people when actually, you know, the Indians that, you know, we're not going to pair well in Pakistan and vice versa. There was this huge transfer of population. And we see a few Muslim Pakistani, you know, Muslims became Pakistan and Hindu. And we see how well those that didn't leave, you know, the Muslims that didn't leave families didn't leave in 1948, or whenever that was, are faring today in India. But that was the last time. And it didn't look, it was not a good look. Times have changed. I don't know, you know, I agree. I'm sure there are many people, even people on the Israeli left that would love to see that happen. But the reality of that happen, it's just not, I mean, if you think the college campuses are blowing up now, to actually forcibly engage in such a tactic, which is, it's a war crime, it's ethnic cleansing, it's everything, I don't, you know, and then you got to think also, again, I go back to cooler heads. Israel already deals with that apartheid label being stuck to them all the time, even by people. Yeah, is Egypt expelled population in the 1950s, that's about the same time, but not on this scale, not on the scale of the Pakistani in India partition and not on this scale. I mean, Israel would have no choice if they expel the two or three million that are in Gaza, they would have to do in the West Bank as well. There's more, I think, isn't there more Palestinians in the West Bank? And that is a much greater danger. You have that many people and you get them all ticked off over there. And the West Bank has actually been relatively quiet during all of this. If you want to get them riled up and have them flog into Jerusalem, which they have the numbers to do, it just start ethnically cleansing Gaza. So again, I think there are people that would like to do it. I think the idea has even been floated. But I think, again, cooler heads say we can't get away with that. Now, another option could be for Israel to do with the Palestinians what the United States did to the Native Americans, to the Indians, and create reservations. But it seems like they kind of tried some sort of version of that Gaza now, and it's not working. You know, keep in mind that Indians didn't have citizenship when the reservations were first created. That came later as a Supreme Court ruling. In fact, they got voting rights and citizen, full voting rights before even women. So it's a mess. That makes sense. But here's a new direction of the conversation. The current situation Luke, the current current situation has been going on for 50 plus years as hot as it is. It can't continue. But some point this is going to have to be used as a way to fundamentally change it and fix it. Or they're just going to be wiping each other out. And I don't know how much how much stomach either side is going to have for this much. I mean, the war is going to go on until one side wipes out the other or drives the other out. So which either side, when you get a winner, it will be the winner will drive out or decimate the loser. But the big winner in all of this, it seems to me, obviously is Russia. America is not going to be able to sustain the same kind of aid to Ukraine. Ukraine is getting virtually no attention in the news media. What do you think about that angle, Rodney? Well, what's fascinating is I don't know how much, you know, there was an article in Stars and Stripes, and I still read that. And this was probably six months ago, maybe less, where, you know, in between these congressional appropriations, the United States had been really digging into its own reserves in terms of stock piles that it's supposed to have in case it has to have a case of another 9-11 or something like that. I don't know how much we could give, you know, without really depleting our ability to do something. And of course, we've already let 5 million plus people in from other countries along the border. So what happens if those people actually start just going to the, you know, go into a gun show and buying guns and start doing stuff. But you're right. Also following up that Stars and Stripes article, there was an article out this week that the United Department of Defense has been leaning on arms manufacturers to kind of hurry up and get stuff done. And of course, they have supply chain issues and manpower issues as well. So I don't know how much we could give either side, but certainly we're not going to be able to, you know, be the, and I, by the way, before Biden's speech, I was talking to my son and I said, I bet you 20 bucks that tonight he mentions the arsenal of democracy and echoes Roosevelt, because that was Roosevelt's position in selling the lend lease to supply, without going to war, but supply Britain. And sure enough, Biden said it, but I, you know, we're not the same country because, you know, we're just not that we were back in 1939 and 1940. But certainly, if he's going to have to pick one, Israel would be the logical one. It's a different type of different type of war. They're not fighting, you know, a behemoth modern army. So that would be the likelihood. And I don't think Congress is going to allow him to bootstrap funds for Ukraine. And by the way, that speech, you know, Duva talked about to give a primetime speech, if you count the actual sentences, he opened up stoking the fear about Israel, but almost probably Luke 80% of that speech was about Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine. He's trying to bootstrap Ukraine on to Israel. And at some point, Congress is going when they get a speaker, keep in mind, there can't be any bills done until there's speaker. I hope there isn't a speaker for a long time because the American people are far better off when that thing's not working, because Congress and Biden only work for other countries. They don't work for our people anymore. But anyway, make a long story short, they're going to have to pick Biden's got to pick Ukraine or Israel. And he's going to pick Israel. And this hasn't got much media attention, but it moved me as as Biden was leaving Israel, he sang this beautiful song, I can't forget this evening or your face as you were leaving. But I guess that's just the way the story goes. He said to BB, I can't live if living is without you. I can't live. I can't give any more. Well, there are limits to how much America can can give. And America shifted a whole lot of munitions from Israel to Ukraine. And that can't continue. America can't fulfill both Israel and Ukraine's needs for munitions. And if I were China, this would be the time that I would invade Taiwan. I mean, I had long said, Luke, that if China takes Taiwan, the United States will do absolutely nothing because China has nukes. And let me tell you, the United States won't do anything. American public, both sides won't do anything. Just think of the economic devastation of a nuke. Just say country A doesn't matter if it's China, it could be Pakistan. They have nukes, and they're not very stable these days. If anybody were to land one nuke, say in a major city, United States, think about the economic or anywhere for that matter, what it would do. It would literally almost fold our tent. If you think the COVID shutdowns destroy the economy, just a mere possibility of a nuke hitting some place in the United States, especially a major city, that's it. There's no guns ready. And then I also remember Israel getting criticized and bullied, as Dube talked about by the United States, to send arms and supplies to Ukraine. It did not. It kind of stayed out of that. And I think Israel's better off for that, because had they stripped their stockpiles and sent tanks and aircraft and munitions to Ukraine, people already complaining, why haven't they invaded? It's been, what, 10 days? Why haven't they invaded Gaza? Why haven't they been invaded Gaza? And I hear that predominantly among evangelicals and kosher conservatives, think about it. They wouldn't be able to do anything if they'd made the commitments to Ukraine that the United States wanted them to. David, anything you want to jump in with? Yeah. I mean, if you want to talk about frame games, conspiracy theories also, that might be interesting. But to close the chapter on Israel, people are judging Israel based maybe on the American Jews they know versus what the Israeli people are actually saying. People are in disbelief about the neo-Kahanist, Spandrick and Ben Gavir. And they're like, no, I mean, that attitude is pretty common there. And even like Likud, and they already have mobilized 300,000 troops. They're outside, Gaza just waiting for the call. They already have the IDF conducting raids basically locked down on the West Bank. Israel is basically mobilized the whole country for an all out war against whoever might join in. And you're thinking like the protest or the public pressure, you know, like Vietnam, I mean, it was before my time, but I understand there was like over a million people protesting in Washington, DC, like the protest against Vietnam were way bigger than this Palestine stuff. And it lasted years, like the Democratic convention of the 60s or whatever that was. But just saying like look at the protest and the public pressure, consider what happened during Vietnam and the US continued with the war despite all the public pressure. And there's way more interest in Israel than there was in Vietnam. And then you've got forbid the last point would be the sustained violence on the Jewish community. Like I mean, God forbid my friend, Sam will if she was killed related to this war, that Israel could conduct the war. The US elites could continue to support the war. The Jewish community elites could continue to support the war. And there will be also a high level of casualties and displacement to the Jewish community in America because these protests will continue to grow. The Palestinians will see that the main reason Israel is able to do this is the support of the US government. They're not going to be able to convince the US government not to do it. And therefore they're going to attack the Jewish community. So if there is a sustained war of months, the Jewish community should be ready for sustained violence against us. Rodney, are China's interests or Iran's interests advanced by this conflict in between Israel and Hamas? Polit, I don't know where China is. China is interested. China is advanced by the fact that they let Rodney go Rodney. They know exactly what you just said, Luke, that the United States wants to commit now to fund basically well. They're not just funding the wars on two different wars. But keep in mind, we're also paying for all of the civil administration, governmental administration, retirement benefits of Ukraine. Ukraine is de facto a US protectorate. And so we're not just funding their military, we're funding everything. And then if we would do this with Israel, Xi Jinping can just walk across the Taiwan straits and just take Taiwan. There won't be anything we can do about it, nor do I think even if we weren't doing this, we would do anything. I know Biden made the statement that if China invaded Taiwan, he would go to war with China. And that isn't going to happen. And it definitely can. So from that point, Iran, now what's been interesting is Biden, this is another thing, talking about the hypocrisy, the Fox News conservatives and neocons of all sides have been trying to link Iran to this. So let's go ahead and take out the Palestinians. Let's take out Iran. Let's refreeze. We made a deal for this six billion bucks. There's actually their money anyway. It wasn't taxpayers' money. And let's refreeze that. And let's take out Iran. And Biden has said that they've not, and so has the Intel community, has said that they don't see any connected dots between Iran guiding this or having any say in this. And I tend to believe that because it's just not, that's not in Iran's interest. And it's interesting that the Intel community for some respects are considered corrupt and nonreliable by these Fox News and neocon conservatives. But in some respects, if it involves Iran, well, yes, yes, they are. We have to go by, we have to go by what they say. It's a mess. Iran's interest is clearly political. It is sought to be the leader of the Islamic world. And routinely, it's just part of its propaganda, death to America at the end of the Zionist regime and all of that. But Iran has been very calculating. Their air force is 1970s planes. They really, they're not a military powerhouse per se, where they have excelled is training and arming guerrilla fighters, like they were instrumental Sulamani, even though we killed him, which was stupid, was instrumental in defeating ISIS. He actually made an effective Iraqi fighting force, something that the United States couldn't do in either Iraq or Afghanistan, trained them, armed them, and stopped the advance of ISIS on Baghdad and then drove them out of the country. A lot of that was Sulamani and the Iranians. They've learned to do that very, very well. And yes, do they fund and send arms to Hamas and Hezbollah? Hezbollah, definitely yes. And I think Hamas has been filtering it out of Hezbollah. But there was a couple of articles out of the Middle East and out of Europe that said that their intel sources had said that the Ayatollah was actually caught off guard, was surprised by the action. That was kind of codified because the heads of Hamas all live in Qatar. Qatar was the one that got the first hostages released, by the way, had said that they'd been planning this for two years, 24 months, which is about right to plan this type of an invasion by a guerrilla army into an advanced first-world state with a modern army. And he said he could count on one hand, five fingers, how many people were actually in the know, and they were all Hamas, and they weren't even necessarily all of the Hamas's political leadership. Which is interesting to note, both Hezbollah and Hamas has a political leadership and they have a military wing and oftentimes those hands don't know what the other two, what they're the ones doing. And did you follow the news about Frame Game Radio being unmasked as Mike Benz? No, I didn't know that. Oh, do you remember the Frame Game Radio character? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the one that said he then he disappeared out of the blue, right? Yeah, yeah. How was he unmasked? Well, he's a conservative crusader against online censorship. So he hit his face in 2017-2018, but he set up this foundation for internet freedom. And his real name is Mike Benz. And he's got a lot of very influential followers. And he's got an organization for internet freedom. He's connected to Representative Jim Jordan, seems to have some kind of connection to Elon Musk. So interesting trajectory that he's been on. He was the lawyer, right? Yes. Well, it turns out he's not a lawyer. Wait, when do you say he's not a lawyer? If you remember Luke, I don't think he's actually a lawyer. I'm not sure if you looked at his profile, but I think that actually he wasn't honest about it. He's not actually a lawyer. Okay, Rodney. I called that up. I remember Luke on your show, I said I didn't think he was an actual lawyer because some of his, shall we say, interpretations were grossly in conflict with actual case law. But that doesn't matter. It's interesting. I've never heard of this guy, Benz. I just remember that he disappeared. So here's the news article. So winter 2018, he took a job as an Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development. He was writing speeches for Secretary Ben Carson. He left in 2020. He went to the Department of State where he held the position of Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Communications Information Technology for less than a year. He has a background in law and he did a short stint in government. He became a cyber expert, offered his opinion to a new group of lawmakers, activists and journalists fighting against what they did in the censorship industrial complex. In April 2022, he started the Foundation for Freedom Online and he has gotten connected with a bunch of people like Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger, Elon Musk, and he's been widely cited. So he's quite made something of himself since he was the frame game radio personality. Well, how did he, was he, was he outed or did he admit that's who he was? I'm kind of curious. Yeah, he was outed. He was essentially outed by Richard Spencer in 2018, it turns out, but no one really paid that much of attention. And then I guess a lot of people in the know, I guess Ricardo knew, but he just became publicly outed in a month ago by NBC News, by Brandy Zadrosny. And Colin Liddell says frame games was unmasked by Richard Spencer in some kind of deal. I don't know if that's true, but Richard did unmask and docks frame game back in 2018, but that didn't seem to be widely known until NBC News published this exposé. Why would Spencer dock somebody like that? Oh, that's right. Spencer became a liberal after all, never mind. Right. So anyway, Mike Benz now explains that what he was doing is frame game radios. He was trying to de-radicalize people on the alt-right. Really? Yeah. Which seems like a post facto justification. But anyway, investigative journalists contacted me on Friday about frame games and we spoke for like two hours. Okay, what was the, what were some of the highlights of that conversation? She knew very little about the alt-right. So she has this huge conspiracy theory that frame games is behind the Twitter files leak and behind banned the ADL and doing illegal activity in some sort of mastermind in current possibly illegal activity. If you notice like he was behind, I guess, Schellenberger for whatever at one of these congressional hearings. He was right behind them and she claims he was like feeding him what to say, convincing him to lie to Congress. And she thinks that he was involved with Elon Musk from the beginning of Twitter and the coordinated attack against banned the ADL was mastermind by frame games. So like when the docs came out, she was already doing investigative journalism on Benz and when the docs came out. So I had done this tweet that she found in 2018 claiming that frame games is Q and like I didn't know anything about him. But I mean, if he was actually in the Trump administration or had some sort of connections or was some sort of Rodney CIA, you know, a PSYAP or something like that. Retired, retired. But I mean, she was not necessarily so concerned with what he did as frame games or what he said. But she was, she thinks that he's currently a criminal that needs to be stopped and is this big mastermind in stuff that's going on in Twitter in Congress right now. So like she was very interested in the history and I gave her like all history lesson of like internet blood sports and the alt right. And you know, she also said frame games is half Italian, half Jewish. And they've even like looked into his parents and question his parents about his Jewish upbringing. Some people think he might have lied completely about being Jewish. And he still might be lying about being Jewish. And the question is, was it all like a coordinated strategy back from frame games where he was building the network to take down the ADL or certain elements in the censorship Biden administration? And you know, basically did that as a PSYAP to build the network. And then when Elon Musk took over the network, he used his connections that he had built up then as some sort of coordinated effort to take down, you know, the powerful forces in the State Department through Twitter files and then eventually ban the ADL and till today. So if you look at this woman, Kristen Ruby, and I actually told her like, you got to speak to Luke for like, if you want, like I told her, like Dax anybody, but I was like, yeah, I told her how I spoke to him and the information like I thought in my views that he was kind of like a racist Jew, typical kind of like alt writers and, you know, questions about funding and Halsey's funding, was there a conspiracy? And I say, if you want, you know, like, if you want more information, you got to ask Luke forward. And I was trying to understand her conspiracy theories. But the interesting part of thought was, you'll say like, you know, we're not just talking about a docs of somebody, you know, years ago that said questionable things, that it may have actually been a PSYAP and he might actually be, you know, at the center of some sort of a major conspiracy involving, you know, serious political actors, billionaires, powerful people. Did he ever even identify as Jewish, Luke? I don't remember that. Yeah. He did. Okay. I couldn't even remember that. You know, this, this, this investigative journalist all these conspiracy, it sounds like to me, she's just trying to do a hit job where she throws to proverbial a whole bunch of poo against the wall and see what sticks. Yeah. Well, yeah, I don't know so much about like, say the Twitter files or banned the ADL. And I mean, you, I don't know, we talked a little bit about banned the ADL, but to say that you could ban the ADL have been astroturfing. And we know frame games like even Luke, you have on your channel, frame games on your channel bashing the ADL saying that they're basically a criminal cabal. And that your frame games could have been the mastermind working for Elon Musk to take down the ADL. And I saw that that's plausible. And I don't know, I mean, she's looking at it as a criminal conspiracy. And I said, like, well, I don't mean necessarily know if he committed any crime. Where's the crime? Where's the crime? That's what she said. But the crime would have been that, that she, that he fed false information to like Schoenberger or these other people to lie before Congress. Okay, I think that's enough. It sounds like it sounds like they're trying to do another Douglas Mackie is what they're trying to do. Would you speak to this journalist, Luke? I don't know. I'd have to think about it. And do you think it's possible that frame games, you know, Mike Menz is a serious player was involved in, you know, like a senior advisor to Elon Musk, and maybe is the one who told Elon Musk, you know, to go with the band, the L ADL and said, we could beat these guys, we could take him down. Or even Yeah, I think that's possible that he's a serious player and that he might have, you know, influence with people like Elon Musk. Yeah, I think that's possible.