 This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plan, celebrating 76 years of providing Tennesseans with high quality health coverage at affordable prices. Visit FBHP.com to learn more about their history in Tennessee and to get a quote that's FBHP.com. Welcome. I'm Mike Keith, joined by Titans Radio's Rhett Bryant and Coach Dave McGinnis. Welcome to the Bet MGM Studio and welcome to the Snickers Hot Seats. Snickers Hot Seats, I am, you know, I've always liked being in the Snickers Hot Seats. First of all, because I like Snickers and then there they are right there. Grab a whole thing of them. The whole thing. Rhett's a little closer to them than I am, which upsets me, but that's fine. Alright, I want to review. You'll have your share. I want to review a couple things with you guys. The league just got together in Las Calinas, Texas. That's Dallas, basically, isn't it, Coach? Las Calinas is right outside of Dallas, really closer to Irving than it is to Dallas, but yes. So they just had, they have quarterly meetings. This one is a small one. The biggest one comes in March and it's going to be, I think, in the Orlando area, but that's coming up next March. They do a few things at this. The NFL Accelerator Program goes on as part of this particular meeting where several minority candidates for bigger jobs in the league get a chance to go and introduce themselves to various ownership groups, other teams in different ways. They just get a chance to network. It's one of the ways that Rand Carthon came on the Titans radar when they went to hire a general manager last December. He was part of the Accelerator Program. You've been part of this league for nearly 40 years, Dave McGinnis. Why is it so important? Well, it's very important for the, in fact, you know, that I was just visiting with Kevin who went. Kevin Turks from the Titans. Kevin Turks. I just visited with him before we started this, you know, about it. It's important to get face to face. It used to be, when I was coming up in the league and all of a sudden became, you know, one of the hot young coordinators that may had a chance, then they would, they would send a film crew in and you would do an on tape interview, on camera interview, and then they would send it to the league and the league would disperse it to all the teams. But that still is a little bit artificial in the fact that you don't really get what we're doing right now where we're face to face. You know, so I talked to Kevin about that, about how important that was. And then, you know, when I, when I became a head coach and I, you know, would send, you know, some of my young coaches and some of the young scouts to those things. It's extremely important just because this is a people business. As much of a high pressure business it is and as visible as it is, it's still a people business and you have to be able to understand the person. So talking with Kevin today, he was so grateful for this and it's a, it's a, it's a big thing. It's an important thing that they're doing and it's productive also. It's so much about fit. Any hire that you make, if an owner hires a general manager or head coach, they've got to be able to have a relationship. They've got to understand one another. They, they've got to connect in some way, right? Well, absolutely, Mike. I mean, you know, I think we can all go through it in any of our careers with what's going on. I know it was important to me, you know, to be able to get in front of people and talk to people. And it may not have been right at the moment that something came from that. But you never know because the circle in this league is about this big. You know, let me ask you a question here on the, on the OTP and snicker hot seat. If you hadn't known me from the time I was coaching here, would you ever have called me to come back to do broadcasting now? Well, of course not, because I, because we knew you could do it. Well, but see, but we had to know each other as people first and you had to see, you know, how they operate. And so this, this, even though they don't, you know, they don't spend a whole lot of time together. The initial impression is important. So I think it's a great thing that the league does. Well, and that was one of the big emphasis of the meetings that, or emphases of the meetings that went on in Los Calinos. They also named the next Super Bowl that was not out there this year, Las Vegas. Obviously next year, Super Bowl 59 in February of 2025, Superdome, New Orleans. Super Bowl 60 in 2026 is San Francisco Stadium, which is Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara, California. And now Super Bowl 61 is back in SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles, just outside of Los Angeles. Are we going to play a Super Bowl rep, Brian, every five years in SoFi? I wouldn't, I wouldn't disagree with that. I think that is very well a thing. One, market, two, building. And I just think about, well, you just mentioned the Superdome hosting one in 2025. How many have been there? Right. So it's the same kind of thing, only it's in the big market. No, no, absolutely we will. I mean, that's why that whole complex was built. And that was a huge thing. I was involved in that because I was involved with the Rams when we moved from St. Louis out there. And just to see everything that was surrounding that, when that initially was going on, you knew something really big was going to come of it. And since it's been on the ground, it has grown more and more and more. So the answer is yes. I think so too. A largely, I mean, it's a $6 billion facility and complex. And you know this better than anyone. I don't know if the OT people completely realize the scope of the complex and the connectivity of that area for any kind of media, whether it be linear, digital or anything in between. Plus, you're in the entertainment capital of the world. And the Super Bowl is a much bigger event than a football game. It absolutely is. And everything's surrounding. I can just speak from my personal experience as far as to us moving out there. I mean, we moved and lived for two weeks at LA Live before the draft, just to get all of that, whatever it was, the atmosphere that came with that. It's a different issue out there. And so I agree with you, Mike. It will be there. It's in the rotation. It will be interesting to see what Vegas is able to do with it because obviously Allegiant Stadium is supposed to be fantastic. But a lot of it comes down to the convenience for everybody in terms of running the event. That's why it goes back to New Orleans. Because it is a very convenient area to do everything. The hotels are right around there. There are places to practice, all sorts of things. You wonder how it's going to work for everybody in Vegas because it seems like the teams are going to have to be further out potentially. And that's been a problem in some sites where it seems like, well, that's an obvious Super Bowl home. And yet they don't go back there on a regular basis because of the logistics of putting it together. Yeah, the footprint has to be idealic. Right. And in some places it's not. And I know that some places get awarded because they're the new shiny stadium, whatever, or there's a tremendous bid process in trying to lure that event there. That's why it makes sense with New Nissan Stadium. Ah. Talk about a footprint. Yeah. And you have the hotel room now. You have those. It would make sense. And the league knows this already because of the 2019 NFL Draft. Well, and they were in on pushing to get New Nissan Stadium done because they liked being here in 2019. They liked having another site where they knew the groundwork and how it all fit together. Keith Bullock on Titans tonight this week predicted that New Nissan Stadium would host Super Bowl 64, which would be in 2030. New Nissan Stadium is the ideal spot. This will be, I mean, we all know, we all know how Nashville puts on a show. But New Nissan Stadium, this will be an ideal spot. When it is here, people will love it just like they loved when the draft was here and things will start being compared to that. You agreed with Keith. You think it may be 64. I think the timing is right because one thing he mentioned on Titans tonight is the logistics and, you know, the scout team ahead of things. Because they'll want to come back to Nashville and look and see what the footprint has changed and in growth wise and all that. Because it's been, you know, it would have been several years at that point on his, his guesstimation that the 2019 draft had happened. And so with a major event, the event of the NFL, there'll be some careful vetting of and just checking everything out. So given that timeline, yes. The NFL also gives you a chance to get your place up and running first, you know, before they bring one there. Sure. But, you know, that, that will figure into the timeline too. Well, the first one they could host is 62. So the four that have been laid out, 58, 59, 60 and 61 are not ones that factor into the, to the current plan. So the first one they could host is 62. If Keith Bullock's prediction is right, we would have been playing football there for three years by the time it happened. You would figure that the new hotels and everything that are going to go on, the development around it, the Oracle development, all of those sorts of things would be in place. And I think the other question too that is going to come in and it's going to be a discussion for Mayor O'Connell and, and Council and everybody involved is transit. You know, that's something that Los Angeles certainly has all the major cities have and that's something that you've got to deal with. The thing that you have though with this, having been to several Super Bowls, you know, just as a, as a visitor or as a guest, you know, as a fan to go to, is that the International Airport here, B&A is close. It's close to downtown and that's huge. And they've just done the massive improvement that they've done, which I think is nearing completion with the hotel. I mean, they've totally reshaped that facility to where, you know, everybody and their brother can get in and out of there now. If you hadn't been to B&A, you won't recognize it. You won't recognize it. It's amazing. I mean, what their plan has worked and it's continuing to work and I know they, you know, I'm sure they have things they need to put into it. But I mean, if you travel around the country, if you travel internationally, it's a facility now that is comparable with the type of facilities that you need to make for people to come in from around the country and around the world and to be able to get in and out. Yeah. And what we're saying is regardless of the stadium, you needed to have all these other things in place structure-wise to be able to hold the event. And I know the NFL has requirements about how many hotel rooms, all those things. Yes. But things have to fall into place like that. And you're right. The airport, Mac, that's a great point about what its capacity is, the proximity to downtown and all those things. And then that's one of the benefits of the growth explosion of the Mid-South and in Asheville in particular. Another thing, Mike, about this in red and where we're talking about it, because it's a great point to bring up. The availability and the proximity that the press, because massive amounts of press where they can be. Crazy. Because that's one of the things that is a negative for some places is the press has to be so far away from where the actual event is here, you will not have to be. This is going to be an ideal setup. Well, and the other part of it too that continues to get asked by the fan base is do you have enough capacity in the stadium? Do you meet the capacity requirement? And there is no capacity requirement anymore. There hasn't been for years. There was a feeling because this was in place years ago that you had to have 75,000 seats. You don't anymore. No. We're looking for the venue itself, the quality of the venue, the quality of the infrastructure of the area. You mentioned the hotel. You mentioned transit. You mentioned airport. You mentioned all of these things that factor in where the teams can train, you know, because they've got to practice for a week. The media point is a great point. Where do you put together all of those sorts of things? The aesthetics of the newer buildings. That's huge. It's a highly visible televised event. And then the other thing when you're talking about the rules about attendance and capacity, didn't that kind of just go to the wayside when the television blackout rules were lifted short of that kind of was hand in hand? There's no doubt. There's no doubt. And then there were just some buildings they wanted to be into. There were some places they wanted to go. You know, there's some winks and nods at times about, hey, if you build this, you'll get a, you know, and so I think some of that just sort of they just let that fade away. It was not publicized, but it faded away. Do we think that the NFL taking the NFL draft out of New York annually and starting to move it around helped in some. I think it helps Nashville in this case. There's no doubt. But I think that helped kind of accelerate having it in different spots more than just a handful of places. You know, we said so far, we think it'll have a Super Bowl there every five years. And I think it will market and building. Sure. But I think that helps, doesn't it? It helps considerably because, I mean, let's face it, the NFL is in New York and there are a lot of people in New York who think there's nothing outside of New York. That's true. I mean, that's people always wonder why do we see so much giants and jets because they're the New York teams. And they're they're the big story in the Yankees and the the Mets and the Knicks and, you know, so on and so forth. I mean, it's it to them is a is a big deal. And then when things happen outside of there, they're like, well, this is nice to know that's what's outside of the city. This is so great. I left the Holland tunnel and there's a whole other world. Well, I mean, it was I said it. And listen, it was it was one of Phil Bredesen's big things about moving pro sports here. He wanted to get either Nashville or Tennessee on ESPN every night because he understood that that's what looks big time. And when people would come here and this is this is a slight exaggeration, but not terribly. When the network people would come here at first in the late 90s in the early 2000s, they would say this place is really nice. Yes. And it was almost as if they were saying you wear shoes. It was a bless your heart moment. It was a bless your heart moment. You have paved streets. You know, I mean, not every there's not a cornfield in every direction. No one rides horses downtown. I mean, and that's what they thought. I mean, I read through what they were saying. I get it. But but you come to understand that when you deal with people in New York and now the people with the league love to come to Nashville because they they dealt with cooperative people. Operative people who know what they're doing. They saw how it was put on. They saw it was good for the league. They enjoyed it. Guess what? They've been to some of our restaurants. They've met our people. I mean, they love to come here now from all over the country. And it's what we've seen with everything that has gone on with all the bachelorette parties and, you know, everybody that's moved here. We've seen that. But the NFL was kind of a first look inside that almost inside the test tube and the national media coming here because they realize it's a great place. It's a destination city now. It is. Right. And Phil Bredesen was a visionary in that way to see it that way because he knew if you got that television exposure. It's an infomercial for Nashville for hours and hours in the state of Tennessee. So tourism and those things. And then you're right. That's a hundred percent right Mac because Nashville is a destination city. When the when Nashville does get a Super Bowl, regardless of the two fan bases involved in that game, whoever that ends up being, it'll be a very popular destination to come to. He's like, excuse me, a reason to go to Nashville. Well, because the weather will probably be okay. Yeah. I mean, historically, if you look at the first part of February, I mean, you could have really nice weather. Now you can get snow, but the, you know, the hit right down the middle is generally low fifties. And so you could get outside with a coat and it won't matter in the new. It won't matter in the stadium itself. But I'm saying for the week of, I mean, that's what really it really hurt Atlanta around Super Bowl 34. When they had the bad weather, you know, they had the ice storm is that the media couldn't get different places. So they complained because it was hard. I mean, everybody knows nobody can drive an ice and it was freezing cold and icy and difficult. And you hope you don't have that. But the, you know, the general middle of it is you could you could get out and walk around Broadway with a decent coat and enjoy yourself in February. Sure, you could. Oh, look at the weather we're about to have for the week of Christmas. It's going to be unseasonably warm. So you could have, I mean, you can get it. And so we'll see. But interesting, interesting stuff to see it. I'm just so glad we're talking about this. Oh, absolutely. I'm excited about new Nissan Stadium, but I'm so fired up about discussing it. And by the way, if you're a Titan season ticket holder, new Nissan Stadium comes online in 2027. But if you're a Titan season ticket holder, remember you have less than a week until December 18th. If you lock in your season tickets before December 18th, you will keep those prices as long as old Nissan Stadium or current Nissan Stadium, however we want to say it, is open. So call 615-565-4200. 615-565-4200. And you lock in your prices for your tickets at the current Nissan Stadium until it is done at the end of the 2026 season. That is a deal. So take advantage of it. 615-565-4200. Mike, you mentioned it right there, too, to put it in the proper context. New Nissan Stadium, you said, I'm glad we're finally talking about this. I'm being able to. That's the missing link. That was the, everything else in the city meets the requirements. But that's the missing link. I think we become totally international at that point. Yeah. Because the Super Bowl is an international event. We have an international airport. We do a lot of things with, you know, we have a lot of companies here now that this is their North American headquarters, where this is their worldwide headquarters that they are international. But this shows it in that way. The way that other cities have become international over the years. I mean, it'll be a big step. We will host different things here that are international. All right. So a couple more things out of the league meetings that we want to talk about. But first of all, I have to mention it's always game on with Duncan. So grab a coffee and kick off the action, whether that's drinking a cup of coffee on your way to the game or grabbing one to go before watching the game at home. Duncan is always there to help you get your game on. Just like the pros, we need to be at our best come game time, which is why Duncan is the most important part of your game day ritual because it's always the best call for football. America runs on Duncan. All right. Hip drop tackle. They are saying the hip dot the hip drop tackle must be taken out of the game. That's what the commissioner says. Now, for those who don't know, and I can say I didn't fully know, but I have a definition of hip drop tackle. Coach Mack, tell me if you think this is right in the hip drop tackle, the defensive player approaches from behind or the side, wraps his arms around the offensive player and basically becomes dead weight while dropping to the ground. Often, the defensive player's body lands on the offensive player's legs. Is that a pretty decent description? You ever been to a rodeo? I've seen it. Our audience. Anybody in our audience have been to a rodeo? Many of the OT people have been to a rodeo. Do you know what bulldogging is? Where they let the steer out and you're riding along the steer. And then the cowboy comes off of the horse and grabs and pulls the steer down and then ties his legs up. I know what that is, sure. That's a lot like it. That's a lot like it. And it's absolutely, the description is absolutely what it is. And most of it doesn't come from behind. It comes from the side because you're chasing somebody horizontally and they're about to break and get past you. They're about to outrun the angle. And so the only shot that you have at them is to try to bulldog them. Come from the side and then pull them down. They've taken the horse collar out of it. They're reaching to the back. But it's just like coming off of that horse against that steer that's running right next to you. That's getting ready to get past you. Alright, so following up the definition. Why is it dangerous? Just because the dead weight drops on the back. Because all of a sudden the runner is not only, his forward momentum is not only stopped, but he's bent backwards. In other words, he's bent backwards and the levers in your knees and your ankles, all of a sudden you're moving forward really fast and it comes to a sudden stop. It comes just to a sudden stop and then the full weight of the tackler is on the back of your legs. The way most offensive linemen get hurt is everything that piles up in the middle, something coming from behind. That's what they're trying to take out. Okay, one more question for you from just a structural standpoint. For a defensive player, how much does it hurt their game if they cannot use this technique? Well, what they're going to have to be able to do is hit them. If you're coming from the side, hit them from the side and don't pull them down. Try to knock them sideways. You've got to wrap up to be able from the side to knock them down rather than pulling them down behind. That's what's going to have to happen. So it's almost like we were taught years ago to run through. You're going to have to go back to running through the tackles. And you always should run through. The thing that happens is now, and again, Mike, it's because the speed of the game has accelerated so much too. Because if you're getting to the edge and you're getting an edge on a defender and you're getting outrun to the... You're just trying to get the guy on the ground right now. You're not trying to hurt anybody. You're trying to get them on the ground. And so this is something that you're going to have to learn to live with if they implement this rule. Just like you had to learn to stay away from the horse collar. Just like you had to learn to stay away from being able to cut people now both offensively and defensively. Just another thing that you're going to have to learn to do. Well, it's interesting when Gadel comes out and says what he did about it. That we've got to get it out of the game. He works for the owners. And he's much like a politician in that he says certain things when he feels like he's got momentum to go a certain way. So when he lays that out, he must feel like there's momentum to take it out of the game. My guess and tell me if I'm wrong is that when they meet in March, the owners meeting in March in Florida, the hip drop tackle, he's got 24 votes to get it out. Yeah, probably. Because Roger Gadel didn't invent it to talk about it. Right. Just to your point. Yeah, and he's got media people who are advising him. And I'm talking about his own media team. Sure. The other thing he said. That was interesting about the Cadarius Tony off sides in the Kansas City Buffalo game the other night. He said he was incredibly proud of the officials and that why were we having this discussion because it was clearly the right call. That they made a call that Cadarius Tony was off sides on the play. That ended up going for a touchdown because Travis Kelsey caught a pass made a long run. Lateral back to Cadarius Tony. He went in for what would have been the go ahead touchdown. It's called back because of off sides. Buffalo ends up winning the game. We saw Patrick Mahomes go crazy. Really went crazy for a day after the after the fact. I don't think anybody's disputing Rhett that it was the right call. Correct. No, I mean, I mean, he was in the neutral zone. Yeah, we saw it. We were actually a dinner and saw it that night. But I think the point of contention is that it's ticky tack. That it's that it's, you know, it wasn't egregious and it wasn't. I don't know. It just seemed like a call to be making a call. What do you think coach? He's off sides. He's off sides. He's off sides. He was off sides and you don't you don't call for the circumstance of the game. You call. For what happened? He was he was also at its point. The Kansas City Chiefs had not had an offensive player called for off sides in 28 years. Well, it should. It should be 29 years now. He shouldn't have lined up off sides. And when you when you look at it, you know, the side judge call the side judge is looking right down the line and he that side judge doesn't know they haven't had anybody called off sides in 28 years. I understand. He's looking at the moment. The guy was off sides. This reminded me. I was reminded about what I said way back when in Arizona because the Arizona Republic sent me my quote. When I had a player line up off sides in a ball game one time that was very consequential on what happened. And, you know, they asked me what I told the player. I told the player, look, there are a lot of things about football that are hard. Lining up right isn't. Well, in Canarias, Tony points at the official, but he doesn't look at the official for what the reaction is. I think the official would have told him you need to step back had he looked at the official for because what happens out there and you can always do. You can explain it better than I do. But when I played wide receiver in high school, you would go out and you would line up and if I was to be on the line of scrimmage, I would ask, am I okay? And they would tell you because they generally don't want to make that call. No. And you're exactly right. And they will look over and then the official is going to say you're okay. You're okay. Or back up. He's not bound to that. He doesn't. No, that's not a rule. That is just, that's like some of the unspoken rules in baseball. Right. I mean, it really is. But you have to interact with them. And it doesn't take very long to do that. But as you said, it didn't happen in that instance. But I still go back to the fact that when you look at it down the line, you have to not be looking for it to see the results sides. So you don't think Dave McGinnis that this is the equivalent of Steph Curry in the final minutes of an exciting basketball game, driving the lane for the Golden State Warriors and laying the ball in the basket as all of the numbers on the clock go to zero and his team wins by one point. That there was a whistle and he's called for palming the ball. They may have palmed the ball, but do you call it? But to be palming the ball, and again, I'm not an NBA official. I've seen basketball before. But when have you seen palming the ball called? Never. Okay, thank you. Never. But it is illegal. But you've seen all sides called a lot. On offense? Yes. Coach. Absolutely. And here's the other thing that you haven't seen. How many times have you seen an offensive lineman, especially a tackle in this day and age, not breaking the play? Well, yeah, lined up at wingback. And I mean, they don't call that ever. I mean, so rarely. But they do call it, but they'll come over to the side. All right, now I'm going to get you. Now you're in my world. Okay. They'll come over to a head coach. I've done it and say, Mack, you need to move that tackle up. I've never done it, but I've been annoying on radio. To do this on the podcast, but that's an advantage. That's it. That is a distinct advantage. Absolutely is that when the tackle lines up a half step behind, then he's got a better angle to do his kickstart and get out and be able to block that edge guy. That's an advantage. Did Cadarius Tony have an advantage? No, he's off sides. Oh, coach. He was off. Get in here. Where are you? Where are you? I know you're sitting in the Snickers hot seat right next to Dave McGinnis. Get in here. Come on. What do you got? Come on, Rhett. I don't know, man. Come on, Rhett. You got to take a side. You have to right now. You always take a side, Rhett. And let me just ask you again without, don't look at Mike because Don't look at Mike. Okay. I'm looking at the camera. Look at the camera. Look straight ahead. Was he off sides? Yes. In the store. Rebuttal, redirect. Do you call that in the fourth quarter of a big NFL game? And that's, that's, that's the problem. Do you call that? I'm not, I'm not asking for a statement. I want an answer. Do you call that in the fourth quarter of a big NFL game of one of the top 10 regular season games in the NFL, knowing that this is one, this is one to everybody who loves the NFL and people who don't are watching. Do you call that? No, thank you. Do you call that in the first quarter? I don't think I don't think you go over and you say Cadarius and listen, Cadarius Tony is guilty. He's guilty for lining up proper lining up improperly. He's guilty for not asking. You know, they showed a clip of Tyree kill from our Monday night game. Yes. Asking the official and then stepping back. I mean, but this is Cadarius Tony's career, which is why he's on another stop after being a first round pick. Because, you know, this is the little things. I get that. But do you not walk over to the sidelines? If it's in the first quarter and go, hey, coach, coach Reed, your wide receiver 19 is lining up in the neutral zone. We don't want to call that. Just tell him to step back or ask, please. And that's exactly why they look at him and say up or back. How long has Cadarius Tony been in the league? Well, it doesn't make any difference. He's Cadarius Tony. That doesn't make any difference. I know it. I'm not defending. Mike Keith is the receiver out there. Do you line up on sides or off sides? Well, I can't get into that because there are people who know the truth about how I used to line up. But I'm also not getting paid millions of dollars and I wasn't a first round pick for anything. But the point is, this is a business. And it's a it's a TV show. It is. It's a great TV. Now, maybe you created great TV drama by calling this because Patrick Mahomes whole thing afterwards. Wow. Wow. Wow. I don't think I've ever seen him that hot. He was. Have you seen what he said today, Patrick Mahomes? He's apologized now. Yes. But I mean, that didn't do any good. He still did it. Well, he did it. But Andy Reed walked back to because in the emotion, the moment. Believe me, I get that. But they both walked it back because really deep in their heart, just as you are deep in your heart. No, he's off sides. I know he was off sides. I mean, he was off. We're sitting there at dinner and I said they've called off sides. Of course, what we assumed was they'd called off sides on the defense or that's what I assumed because that quite literally 99.9% of the time. That's because the offense doesn't ever get called for off sides. Illegal formation, illegal procedure, but not off sides. And that's why because most of them know where to line up. Oh, coach. And Rhett, you're no help. No, I'm not. You really know it, but you know who has a big help? Seat Geek, the official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. If you haven't heard the name yet, get used to it because you'll be here. Because if you haven't heard it, is this your first time on the OTP? We'll welcome because I've been saying it all season. Seat Geek. Seat Geek, the official ticketing partner of the Titans, whether you're buying or selling tickets to Titans games or to any live event in Nashville. Seat Geek is the place to do it. Seat Geek, the new official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. So Titans fans can fan. Well, you can do that. There we go. You won't step up for me, but you can do that. Oh, here we are. Yeah. Rhett, you step up for it. If I wanted a guilt trip, I'd call my mom. What are we doing? We're going to make you come out with more opinions. All right, so you get this one. Oh, boy. Here we go. Do you like that the NFL is going to play a game in São Paulo, Brazil? I got to be honest. I don't know that I'm crazy about the expansion of going all over the place. I understand why I understand, you know, against business. They're trying to make it an international sport and it is growing in popularity in other countries. I know that's a 10 hour flight. I know that's a three hours ahead of him. He still hasn't answered. Rhett. Yeah. Answer. Do you like that the NFL will play a game in Brazil? No. No. OK. No, I don't. You can ask me. Sure. I love it. I love it too. I love it. Why do you not love it? Really? Seriously. I love it. Don't you want to go to Brazil? I mean, yeah, that'll be fine. Jacksonville. Jacksonville is fine. Jacksonville is fine. Jacksonville is fine. Jacksonville is fine. Jacksonville is fine, but I mean, I think it's great. I want to go to Germany. Germany. I would like to go to Germany. There has been nobody who has loved the London trips more than Rhett Bryant. That's true. Even though you ended up in Scotland. He had felt Noel couldn't make a decision then. They decided to go to sleep on the train. You know, is that what happened again? Yeah, we fell asleep. Fell asleep on the train. Yeah. Going back to the hotel and woke up where? In Scotland. No, they weren't quite in Scotland. We were quite a ways away from London. That's the truth. There you go. We were out in the boonies. But you've loved it. I have. I mean, it's a completely new, because neither you nor I have been fabulous worldwide travelers in our lives. That's true. So for us, they're members of my family who love to travel all over the world and have been all of it. And I respect that. But it's kind of broken me down a little bit to say, okay, there are other places I want to go see now. You're saying I'm the New Yorker in this equation. We kind of are. We're the typical, what they call the typical Americans. Here we come. Yeah. It could be us. Because they're talking about it. Would that be wild? It would be wild. It'd be great. They play. Okay, you can talk me into it. We're going to play eight games. They're going to have eight games internationally. I told Rhett, and again, I'm repeating Titans tonight, which you should be listening to every Wednesday because Keith Bullock's on it. Sponsored by Pinnacle Financial Partners. Six o'clock central time on Titans, right? It's a great show. Rich Eisen mentioned something to me, and I'm not meaning a name drop, but I was talking to him when we were in London. And he said, his theory is that we're going to end up with 17, 18 international games. And so then what you'll have is you'll have an international game in the 930 Eastern Time window every week. So then you'll have, for Eastern Time, 930, 1, 405, 425, and then you'll have the 815 kickoff. I don't think that's out of the realm of reality. Before I think about it and with them adding this, it makes so much sense because now you've got four Sunday packages to sell. So you have CBS and Fox in the afternoons. You got NBC at night. You know, you got Amazon on Thursday. Well, you got Amazon on Thursday, but you may be opening a window for Amazon or another streaming service to get in there because, I mean, we're going to go to more of that. Let's face it, certainly ABC and whatever incarnation they end up with. And we don't know what, you know, we don't know what Disney's going to do with ESPN and that part of their property. But, I mean, everybody's looking for content and the NFL is doing a fabulous job creating what is the very best content and that is the games. That's 100% true. I mean, it is such the way with the future and I've been fortunate enough to be over there. Been over there quite a few times with teams. I went over there in 1980s. Did you do Japan too? I never did Japan. Never did Japan. But went to London in 1986, you know, to play a game before, when they were just trying to play with it and started out. And to see what it's done, I mean, I've done clinics for three years in a row in Germany, going all over the country of Germany, putting on American football clinics, you know, for BMW over there. There is so much out there and all you have to do is go to one of these games there nicely to see the response of your hooked. I'm hooked. I mean, I've had, I mean, if we could just win one of them, that's the only thing that's been missing so far. Maybe that's why I'm not that crazy about the manifest destiny. Well, somebody's going to win. Somebody is. Somebody's going to win. All right, let me ask you this. All right. They sent Paolo Brazil in the meetings yesterday. Yes. What's the next destination after that if they do go to Rich Isons? Barcelona. Yeah. No. Spain. Yeah. I could be okay with that. I mean, they could do a couple places in Spain for sure. When it rains, we can see if the rain. Oh, wow. Here we go. And when NFL Europe is running, Barcelona was one of the favorite spots, you know, when NFL Europe was running, as were all of those places in Germany. I give you another one. Australia. G'day. G'day. I mean, because they are, they're so into it and climate wise, when we're playing our football, they're in their spring and summer. So you don't have to worry about whether they certainly have venues. I mean, you know, here's another thing. When we went over there to London, the one time to play, we signed a guy from London to be a kicker because it was a preseason game. So to get the people, you talk about Aussie. There's so many Aussie football kickers now in collegiate football coming into this league. I agree with you, Mike. That's the next venue too. All right. Final topic. Speaking of kicking, Troy Vincent says the kickoff is now, this is what he said at the league meetings, is a dead ceremonial play. Only 20% of kickoffs are returned now. So they have solved the problem of all the injuries on kickoffs. Injuries are way down on kickoffs because 80% of them are touch backs or fair catches or not out of bounds. They're not returned. What's the answer, Dave McGinnis? Just keep doing it like you're doing it. You don't have to return them, but you've got the chance to return them if you want to. Now, everybody thought going into it that you were going to see a whole bunch of these pooch kicks, these pooch kicks, high kicks to make them, but they put the fair catch in there because they don't, and you're right, Mike, they don't want the collisions. They don't want the 40 yard, you know, brave heart running together down the hill. I think just leave it like it is. Leave it like it is. You've got it. You've made it safer. Now, if you want to return it, you can return it. But, Coach, it's not a play anymore. Leave it in. Doesn't take that long. Listen, you could spot the ball on the 25. You could have an opening kickoff to begin the game, and then you could spot the ball on the 25 every single time. You'd save time. You'd save injuries. You'd be able to, you know, have some regulation in the game. It would change how you would make up your roster potentially. It would huge change it the way you make up your roster. It would make a huge change there. It would take, and at that point, the people probably don't think about it. You think about everything. Well, no, you do. No. You do because it would take some positions away because some guys, back in the day, some guys were hired just to do that. Right. And that will, and that's lessening, and so you've got a point there. Well, would you, I guess my question would be, would you rather see six to eight more snaps from center? The answer to that, yes. Yeah. Because I, that's why I'm against the push-push thing because I don't think that's football play. I think that's a rugby play. I want to see football snaps when I watch football, and the kickoff is no longer that. When they return to kickoff, it's great. I understand the injury thing. Anybody who's ever covered a kickoff or returned a kickoff understands it's a lot more dangerous than a punt. Well, in terms of safety, what you're describing is the current kickoff situation. It's uneventful, which is what you want, but it doesn't move the needle if it's uneventful. Yeah, but do we want uneventful in a game that we're trying to sell to the world? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. In the player safety side, that's what you want. In the entertainment side, no. All right, so everybody talks about the XFL rule on kickoffs. And here's the rule. Kicker is at the 30-yard line. He kicks off from the 30. He must kick the ball in the air, and it must be in play. No such thing as a touchback. It must be in play from the end zone to the 20. So he's got to drop it in there somewhere. So he can't do the missile kick or the fair... He can't do that. He's got to kick off. The coverage team lines up on the return side's 35-yard line. The return team lines up on the 30-yard line. So they're not that far apart. So they will have contact, and it would take a certain kind of returner to be good at it. It looks like a football play. What do you say to this, Coach Mack? If you put the fair catch in there, I'm for it. Why do you want the fair catch? Because if you don't want to return it, if you don't want to return it, and they're going to pooch it, you want to take the contact out of it. And you watch the USFL games. I do. There's contact on those. There's contact. So if you're trying to take the contact out of it, you want to lessen it, but give yourself a chance to avoid all the contact by having the fair catch rule in. But I don't know that I want no contact. I think I want contact on that play. They don't want it for the safety. That's why they're doing it. OK. Rhett, what do you think of that? I love the implementation of that. But I will say this, if the safety is the most important thing like he's talking about, I don't know that you'll have it. You just take it out altogether? So do you do the fourth and 15 play as opposed to the onside kick then? The onside kick. You know what? I like that innovation. The fourth and 15. I do too. Because the onside kick thing is done. Yeah. It used to be an art to it. Sure. There used to be an art to it and you could scheme it because you could overload it and there used to be an art to being able to be the guys on the front line that were going to take the front of the Calvary Charge when it was coming at you to the ones back behind. There's none of that anymore. You talk about something that's uneventful, the fourth and 15 would be eventful. I agree. I know people think when we talk about this thing we're talking about gimmicky and I get that but I think the world changes and the game has evolved since 1869 as well. I mean there are different things that have gone on at different points. I think if there are ways to keep it being football and make it safer I think that only makes sense. Maybe I'm naive. No, no, no. No, no, no. I agree with that and I agree with that part of it and I also agree with the part of if you're ever in a point of a ball game which we've all been in. We've all been in a point where you want to catch up and you've got to get the ball back. At least if you take that shot on fourth and 15 you've got a chance. With all of these implementations let me just get back to saying this you've got to line up on sides. Oh, wow. Now he's doing this. He wasn't saying that the other night in the restaurant. You've got to line up on sides. It was after the people got him from Arizona. They turned him around. No, I looked at it and I said he's offside. Oh, I mean, I know he was offside. But Mike, I don't want to thank you for the dinner. It was great dinner. It was great dinner. It really was so good. And you paid for it. So thank you. So thank you for that. So fantastic. This is my life. I thought you had my back. I really did. Oh my, come on. Again, you want me to call my mom? We'll get a Snickers. Thanks for doing this. Let's do this again. This was fun. We should. Yes, we will do this. How about next Thursday? It's great. Okay, next Thursday. Okay. For Rhett, Brian and Coach Mack. I'm Mike Keith. Thanks for joining us for the OTP.