 The term digital public infrastructure is quite a new one and people are still kind of debating what it means. But I think we're at a really exciting moment where societies in general are recognizing that there are kind of there are there are key parts of how we work which are clearly digital and have that kind of that that status as infrastructure and being that they're just a fundamental part of how everything happens and works so you might think about like how does money move through our economies or something simple as how do we get notifications and messages coming to us but by kind of surfacing that and giving it a name we can talk more about what how do we want that to work how do we want to make sure that it's accessible and resilient and all sorts of other good things. So I hope that talking to Viraj has got a really fascinating perspective on that both from his private sector career but more recently from his work with the EGUD foundation which is providing kind of software platforms and increasingly a whole lot more to particularly local governments around India that people will get you know a bit inspired to to get involved in shaping what's this future infrastructure we need see some opportunities because if we if we get some of the fundamental digital infrastructure our society's right there are new things that we can do you don't have to reinvent the wheel when you're coming up with whether it's a business idea whether it's a government service whether it's a charitable thing you want to do you can you can build on that and I also think it's really important to just have a broad conversation about those things because if they're going to be fundamental to how our society's work in the future everybody should get a chance to help shape them. So I guess from the conversation some inspiration some entry points for people to get more involved and and hopefully just just an interesting interesting time and some stories from around the world because this is genuinely a kind of global conversation