 Hey everyone welcome to the Zeldinformer podcast episode number 11 this week I only have one person with me the co-host the hostess with the most is Mr. Alfred Yeah, the hostess with the most is the hostess with the most that is totally unoriginal I'm I don't know whether or not that's insulting to be called the hostess, but I'll Take it the hostess that I mean I'm emphasizing that part No, I understand that you're emphasizing that part. I just don't know if I should be flattered or not You should be flattered. Oh, okay All right So we're just gonna get right into it. There was a bunch of stuff that happened in the past week Not a whole lot with Zelda. However, because we have the Zeldinformer podcast I like to make sure our very first topic has something to do with Zelda and so we're gonna start with something It was recently announced releasing in Japan. Oh, yeah, Zelda's 30th anniversary collection music thing It's a two-disc music collection that features Songs music something or other from 15 Zelda games trying to open Of course now my links won't open so I'm gonna have to go to Zelda informer and actually find it Not that hard. I made the post so the Every game in the mainline series, so none of the spin-offs Not the CDI games, but every game in the mainline series Yeah, that's a spin-off Is Represented in this soundtrack in some form except for Oracle of Ages the Minish Cap and four Swords So every other game in the series is represented including like original releases and remakes so that's Yeah, that's interesting that happened. That's a thing. It's only releasing in Japan right now and Outside of I think outside of a brief mention Right before E3 started. This is really the first thing Nintendo has done for the 30th anniversary of the series Which is more than we could say for the Metroids 30th anniversary, you know the Metroids shut down The fan project for the anniversary. That was a good. I know we're gonna get to that later. I figured So in talking about this amazing CD that we know nothing else about It kind of made me think This is the year of the 30th anniversary for Zelda for Metroid, etc. And they really haven't done anything for it Obviously, this is the first thing happening for Zelda Now I made an argument in an editorial I wrote I think I wrote it last year actually that Nintendo shouldn't do anything for Zelda's 30th anniversary Because it's only been five years since the last time they did a big blowout And if they're gonna do it every five years, then it's not that special anymore. That makes sense So I'm kind of happy they haven't done anything to be honest But at the same time It would have been nice if like the day of the 30th anniversary if they just would have put out like a tweet happy 30th I Mean this is their series after all we put out a tweet We did more than a tweet like I Yeah, it's it's just odd because I mean for Mario's 30th there definitely wasn't all out theme for that I mean, where's our 8-bit link amiibo? Where's our year of link? Oh poor Luigi So, yeah, I don't know it after like what do you what are you thinking here? Like they haven't done anything for the 30th anniversary for Zelda besides this disc which might not ever come out outside of Japan Like are you bothered by this? See part of me when I initially saw this I was like, okay Yeah, Japan's getting another exclusive collector's soundtrack. They did this with Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Super Mario Galaxy soundtracks only came out in Japan I don't think there was a way I don't think there was a way to buy those in America Um, and I actually I think there is a way to illegally download it. Yeah, I may or may not have them, but I think Those were uh club nintendo of japanese or of japan Exclusives so take that how you will what I would have expected from this is that hey We know that right now my nintendo rewards kind of suck Here's a 30th anniversary legend of zelda to convince you to spend points and to buy games and Do all this stuff that we know that you're probably not, you know using right now I love that you brought up my nintendo. I have not checked it since the day I signed up for it Yeah, neither of I the only the only thing that I've used that for so far has been to get the Twilight princess picross. Yeah, I was going to get that and then I just never got enough points and I'm like I don't care anymore. I just don't care. I'll get it when I get it. It's There's there's a lot to be desired with that But I imagine what I thought when they were like, oh, well, we're gonna improve The reward system. I was like, okay, cool. This is going to be something that I could see them doing apparently it's not um One of the I think they're going to in The the late satoro iowata iowata. Sorry mentioned That uh a long time ago about like a loyalty program Um, where like if you keep buying nintendo games, you can get future nintendo games cheaper And kind of do that. Yeah, you can kind of do that with the my nintendo program I think uh, that's gonna be really expanded on next like I think we haven't really seen Anything from my nintendo program because we're just getting the backbone of it Yeah, and with nx like that's when everything's gonna happen because they're trying to transition everything to this Universal operating system and but here's the problem with the way that my nintendo functions right now I don't know. There's a little off topic, but I'll I'll bring it back in a second. That's okay um Is the only way you can register games is if you buy them through the e shop so you can't actually Get points for say like I went out and I got Um a while back took your mirage session sharp fe Um my fiance about that for me Love the game. Good pick up. But good pick up. It doesn't count towards my mind nintendo points because I didn't buy it off of the e shop Um, which I think is a very flawed system for keeping track of points because you know as much as the uh inserts inside the the ds cases and the we case and the we u cases were a little bit of a hassle a little difficult of a thing to Keep track of It was still a better system. You felt more rewarded for buying games physically And sure one of the bigger turnoffs for buying a game Digitally on the we u or the 3ds is that they really don't have a lot of space to keep all these games I had to clear off a bunch of stuff just to download darksiders 2 so Sure, there's it's like, okay Well, you have to download like one game at a time because they have to delete the other one or buy a new sd card um It's a big hassle. So there's right now. There's not enough of incentive to use my nintendo because there's not a lot of ways to get Points towards my nintendo. Um, and there's not a lot of rewards for it. That being said I'm looking at the cd from what I'm Imagining and not that I don't think that nintendo had put any effort for this. I just don't think that they did I think it's literally going to be Songs ripped straight from the games and put directly onto the soundtrack I don't think that they're going for a full orchestra soundtrack like one of our commenters said I wish they'd make all the songs fully orchestrated and i'm like that would be great that would be wonderful it kind of I mean they're charging 30 usd, you know, however many on that one. Yeah For this like it's not cheap And I agree with you if you actually look at nintendo's history of releasing soundtracks Uh, they're just rips from the game. Um Which isn't a bad thing because yes, you can go on youtube and many other places and listen to soundtracks Technically, that's all illegal Nintendo hasn't done anything about it. They've done things about other stuff though More on that later. Um Yeah, I I guess the only I could hope for the 30th anniversary is that they released this cd in the west somehow some way Um, I doubt it. Maybe they'll include it as like a pre-order bonus for breath of the wild next year I think they'd be kind of lame, but that's isn't that what they did with skyward sword? Although those that was a good They better have some insane pre-order stuff for breath of the wild Not only because it's probably an x launch game and like the biggest Zelda game ever made The wind at waker hd you could get like a gammon door figure So I expect something better than that and that was really cool Um, and I know they're gonna cop out and it's just gonna be you can get an amiibo with the game Um, but they do that so often. It doesn't really feel special Hey, if they don't charge you for the amiibo and they just charge you 60 bucks for the game I'm okay with that if that's what the deluxe bundle is But if I'm paying like another 20 dollars for this bundle Then it's it's not that worth it to me. Um, but that kind of brings me to what I was thinking because Technically if you want to be really specific and I know nintendo kind of likes to do this Is that the breath of the wild and the the new amiibo line for zelda that is their 30th anniversary celebration Um In their eyes at least for the legend of zelda like oh, this is a big legend of zelda blowout like e3 is out of zelda I don't think that's it. I mean I think e3. I mean think about the games they have right? Um, they have nothing. I mean, what what is it? They had mario sonic olympic games, which the olympics are going on right now Um fun fact about the olympics. You guys need to look up. I think it was the uh, korean diving team or something or the philippine's diving team one of those two They've got straight zeroes in the diving contest because like they like flopped on the diving board and then like belly flopped into the water Oh, that's class. It was like this is at the olympics. This is just funny I expect to see this at like a high school diving meet not the olympics Anyways, I know so they have sonic and mario the olympic games that are already released. They have uh The new paper mario coming out. I believe paper jam or color splash color splash Paper jam was the old one their rpg game because these are rpg's anymore. Yeah, get it straight Yeah, sorry. I was talking. I was thinking of when the series used to be good um Pose burn, uh and for we you besides that it's a whole lot of nothing Uh for the 3ds now, they've never really heavily promoted the 3ds at e3 like they are they'll do unveiling. They'll you know have like Trick trailers of their games and demos, but they don't really do like big blowouts Probably because 3ds games kind of sell themselves almost um Like like pokemon sunday moon. That's a huge game and they don't need e3 to sell pokemon sunday moon um I mean there was just like Scans today from coral coral magazine and those are blowing up the internet right now and that came out of japan and they're like illegal scans like It's you don't need e3 pokemon transcended gaming especially with pokemon go now pokemon sells itself regardless Yeah, so they don't really so they had nothing to really show at e3 Uh and here they have this breath of the wild game. No one's seen it in two years Um, I don't think I didn't do a 30th anniversary now that nintendo thought I did either I think nintendo was like this is all we got so let's uh Well, it's all they can show As of as of yet Yeah as of yet Whatever decision came down that they couldn't show off the nx for some reason um zelda was obviously the backup plan and then uh You know outside of that like I don't think amiibo like amiibo come out with every nintendo game now So like I that's not part of a 30th anniversary celebration That's just what they do like every nintendo first party nintendo game That's like a major ip moving forward is going to have amiibo um Until people stop buying them and since I keep buying amiibo and i'm sure you do it so does everyone else Um, they're not gonna stop me I Tell my collectors dismay since I can't afford to collect them all like if you look in the back corner of my camera You probably can't see it because I have a screen in the way I have a one of the 30th anniversary mario amiibo I'm like, uh I would have I would have got one if there was a link one but there isn't I I don't know But see the thing is like i'm okay. I don't necessarily want a 30th anniversary celebration I think because they went all out for the 25th like we don't need to do that again I think it slightly makes sense for 25th year anniversaries like this would have been a perfect opportunity for them to be like, okay, well we have lincoln Metroid or zelda metroid celebrating the same exact birthday So since we had zelda On the 25th 30th like every five years kind of change it up So the 30th every like 10 year That goes to metroid every you know 35 is going to be zelda again than 45 is zelda Like I don't know. Yeah, something like that change it up. I'm not I understood the 25th anniversary. That's a quarter century. Yeah Um, I understand celebrating every 10 years. I mean, that's a big deal I mean as human beings, I just turned 30 this year. It was a big celebration when we turned 40 It'll be a big celebration 50 will be a big celebration. Like that's just what we do is humans So I understand uh doing that for zelda Uh, I just I don't know it didn't happen. So I guess we're just talking about what maybe should have happened I think it's part of me I still feel like and this is just hope like Me hoping that this is what they have planned Is that they're still holding back on all of this amazing stuff that they're gonna just throw out in august Or september or whatever it is and be like hey guys happy metroid anniversary. Here's metroid prime four. Oh my gosh keep Like keep hoping keep hoping And then they're like hey, oh all we're getting is nx nx nx Hey and metroid prime four. Guess what it has cross compatibility with a federation force That I can see them doing that just so people buy federation force You in order to get past one boss you have to have federation force And I'm not trying to make fun of federation force. I think federation force is actually pretty fun um But I understand There's a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with what that game is with why people aren't mad. It's what it isn't Yeah, like the game doesn't look bad last ball. I have that on my 3ds. It's a lot of fun Um Nintendo made a quality game. I believe it's just not what people want at this time That game would have been great. Had they not slept metroid prime on it I think if they had announced metroid prime four and that this was kind of like Uh A game coming out that was gonna have some of the side story that leads in the prime four That would have made sense, but because they did not announce metroid prime four This game just upsets people because that's what they want Yeah, and that's that's their own problem for their own marketing shirt. Yeah, like they that's just a market It's a marketing snuff food Like they shouldn't realize that this is a game and if the guy behind metroid wants to tie it in the metroid prime You cannot do that without having another metroid prime game Or another metroid game period that's that focuses on status. Yeah Yeah, I I think if I just say prime because they put prime in that title. So So they're still thinking about the series, but I don't think that they're Well, and there was a uh, what should we call it? uh So so many years back before uh tropical freeze retro studios was given a choice Of to make another metroid or make another donkey con and they chose donkey con. Well, their last metroid Didn't do so hot It didn't sell. Well, that's what prime three didn't do too well Other m got really negative that's the one I was talking about was Yeah, like that other m got the series as they said put on the shelf for now Well, and that like You think about that and this is something I find completely ridiculous is that walmart still sells that game at full retail price Is like that game blame nintendo of matt waller. No, I know but that game shouldn't be 60 dollars that game That felt more like a I loved other m I didn't too. I thought it was great The final boss was the one thing I just it felt like uncharted threes final boss for me. It was just a letdown Unless unless you got to the epilogue with phantom and that was you know that made up for it. Yeah. No. Yeah Um speaking of metroid and anniversaries. Oh boy um So there was a really fantastic thing that happened Uh, technically it was the day after the anniversary in japan, but whatever it said the sixth in our land So that's the day we're celebrating On an hour on august 6th. It, uh was Metroid's 30th anniversary samus turn 30. She is getting up into milf territory. That's awesome. Dear lord Of course, I should say cougar not milf. She's not a mother yet. Well, um, well Super mesh never mind. Yeah, I know. I know. Um, anyways, I was trying to keep a pg You do a good job. I failed um So a fan game came out that uh, I think it was eight called am to our Something like that. I'm sorry about you that am r2. Okay. Yeah, something like see r2 d2 Um, so a fan game came out and It was a remake of metroid 2 return of samus And it there's a whole bunch of stuff it did. It wasn't just like new visuals um, it had like gameplay elements from, uh Like games that came out after metroid 2 Uh, it had some a couple new maps and things like that But for the most part it was a metroid 2 remake it advertised itself as a metroid 2 remake Uh, it's awesome. I downloaded it. Uh, I played a little bit of it. It feels fantastic Uh, it was made in game maker, which anyone can go make a gaming game game maker It does take a long time to make a quality game a game maker Um, but it is like game making for dummies You it just is literally anyone can go make a game on it, but That's how to discredit this project this guy, uh I forgot his name. He's spent eight years making this. Yeah, so he's been working on this for a long time all by himself no help and he released it for the 30th anniversary And nintendo being nintendo Shut it down within days. I think it was two days later Officially first they shut it down at metroid database And then they came after The actual host of the whole thing. It wasn't until he released the game in its full version That he shut it down Keep in mind nintendo shut it down. It had been eight years in the making So they this was something that everybody knew about for a very long time I wouldn't say everybody knew about I didn't even know what existed until released the core metroid fan base Knew about this for a very long time And i'm sure that nintendo did as well possibly so That wasn't the only thing nintendo shut down A couple weeks ago Somebody uploaded 13 years worth of nintendo power magazine to archive.org which if you can't tell by the name It's a site used to archive things on the internet And it was also uploaded another site and Retro mags.com and they took down the the scans Not because of nintendo, but because the scans themselves looked like they were actually scanned back when they came out Which means that they were pretty low resolution most of them And so there was parts of the text. You really couldn't read that well So they have like policies at retro mags that like the magazines have to be high quality scans Which makes sense because they're providing Catalogs of old magazines. They want them to look good and be legible So I understand they have quality requirements But nintendo issued a takedown at archive.org to get rid of all of those magazines And this was confirmed by the tech blog at vice. So like vice is a huge site a big entertainment company So their tech blog said they contacted nintendo and nintendo told them that they were the ones that took it down so We have all confirmed sources because there's reports out there about some fake takedowns by people who don't actually work at nintendo These are not part of that. This is nintendo stepping in taking down fan games taking down on nintendo power now The only reasoning I can think of and I need this outside of there. There is some copyright law We had debate about this in the staff room Oh, there is some copyright law where they have to protect their ip Um and given that metro the metro 2 remake is a remake of a game nintendo still sells Um, I understand They might be legally obligated to have to take that down Um And I don't understand like the argument it's been around for eight years. I'm gonna tend to not know about it Um, I created a time 2d has been in them working for 10 years And that's not shut down yet yet Um, it will if it ever releases in full But I almost I almost think of a good guy bad guy. Let's say nintendo knew about metro 2 remake Let's say they knew about this project Um, and they chose not to shut it down It could be that they wanted this project to release Knowing they would legally have to shut it down But they would wait to legally shut it down till enough people have downloaded it that it's going to be around forever because if you type in The a whatever the name of it is I keep forgetting you can just type in metro 2 remake download as well. That's what I did to find it You will find this thing's everywhere. It is not hard to find this even though it's no longer on the official website um It's almost I almost feel like Nintendo wanted it to release knowing that we're gonna have to shut it down But also knowing that people are still gonna get it anyways So almost like we know we're gonna get negative press But like this thing is always going to exist like we didn't shut it down while it was being made We waited till people could play it Um, and then it's not really shut down because it already exists. It's out there You could find it people are torrenting it and it's not that hard to get a hold of Like I have a copy of it. You can contact me. I'll give you the copy. I got it's not a big deal Um Privately, of course, I won't put up a download link because then Nintendo's coming after zeal then former and we're in trouble Um, we've had our own issues with Nintendo in the past A lot of stuff here a lot to digest Nintendo Does this a lot? They are probably the most strict company about takedowns And just their ip's in general like in the term if you guys remember a while back When uh, nintendo tried to I guess Get their hands into the let's play Uh variety and they were like, well, you can't let's play a nintendo game without giving money to nintendo for it And almost no one was okay with that and then they're like, well, well, no we were just kidding. We're not doing that anymore. Um but They don't have a good history of necessarily cooperating with fan works and this kind of the thing Um And there's no yeah, go on. There's there's different types of of copyright law too. I'm not a hundred percent sure But what the copyright law is in japan? Um, and if that's any different here, it's important to note that a lot of There's different copyright laws. Um all over the world not everyone's governed by the exact same laws Uh, this is this comes into play with youtube because there's a lot of people that hate nintendo's youtube program Uh, a lot of that youtube program like the entirety of that youtube program is actually built around laws in japan Uh that nintendo of japan has to follow in terms of video content and letting people use it and like Losing rights to stuff if they don't monetize and don't you know claim stuff So you would think well then just apply this to japan youtube of japan. Well as a company Uh, they probably don't like to have different standards in different regions They like everything to be governed the same because it's a lot easier to organize and keep track of Uh, and I think that's why you saw the youtube policy, which Oh, sorry, excuse me It's still in beta. It's not even technically out of beta yet Um why they applied it across the whole world like I actually understand a bit why they're doing it as a company even though it sucks Um The only thing I wish they would do is get rid of the whitelist Uh, that's so I've ended up set to me They should just any game that is nintendo ip anyone should be able to use footage And you know, they should be able to use it within that program and get some money Um, the fact that there's games that aren't on that list and you won't get any money for those games that sucks Uh, it sucks that you you don't get all the money anyways, but uh, nintendo I wonder if these takedowns are um The nintendo paul won't confuse me. I understand the metroid 2 one Like if if this ip law exists where if nintendo doesn't make an effort to protect their ip They lose their ip which is something I read about in an article last year Uh, if that's true, then they had to take down the metroid 2 the one They didn't have a choice or they would forfeit the rights to metroid but the nintendo paul one's weird because they don't sell copies of it anymore Uh, it's been out of print for many years Especially these first 13 years have been out, you know, it's been 15 years Uh The only thing I think of is in that first 13 years. There were two graphic novels That were released over a number of issues and right now those graphic novels are resold in complete editions licensed by nintendo to vis media and I wonder if They had to take down the scans or risk losing their rights to those If that makes sense like if someone took out those from the scans and reuploaded them I wonder if nintendo would leave them alone But again, I don't know. I mean this I'm just spitballing Like I know it's like nintendo defense force coming from me. I'm upset. I'm just I was upset about this as other people are Um, I wish there was a way I just I want to know I want nintendo to come out and explain Um, because you know all they said is you know, it contains the copyrighted material. Okay. Yeah, that's fine But like what's what's the real logic behind what you're doing? I'd like to buy for for everything that they shut down like to give them a reason As to why they they're doing that and I understood with you know I thought okay Sorry the best example of nintendo actually cooperating well With a fan project of this magnitude was the hero of time film. Um, and that's they Told them to shut it down, but they gave them two weeks in a theater And so for I think two weeks in an la theater the hero of time movie was shown And they got it they got an extra I think was an extra two weeks. They could keep the download up Yeah, and I I downloaded I still have it. I think um, but they I didn't think it was that good So I deleted it it it wasn't but for The only it was they were nice about it. Yeah, the only good It was the only good zelda fan film out there at the time Um, and so I don't only yeah the only zelda fan film at the time. Um, but They they handled that very well and they explained well, this is why because you're you know, you're charging for it In theaters like this whole this whole thing and they let them keep it up And you can still find it online if you really want to um, go go like anything Anything that's ever released on the internet you could find it's if you want to check it out It's b&b finishes a hero of time. Yep. Um, it's you know, it's it's the best you can get with a literal direct Like copy of ocarina of time pretty much and It it's about as It's it's what you expect. I'll just put it that way It's not that there's been a lot better stuff since yeah, I'll put it that way But it paved the way for a lot of different stuff. Yes, and it was it was pretty good for its time Um, but nintendo handled that handled that very well, and I've been reading up on on different copyright policy and um So I imagine that it also gets really tricky to enforce a copyright overseas So like In japan their copyright is that it's way more confusing than it is here One of the big things that they have is a Don't remember the name. It's right to trans transmittable or something like that Um, where that already sounds confusing. It's yeah right to make transmittable, which is how You can make it like you can send it out and make it uh heard on radio tv Whatever, um, there's right of communication to public Um, they have different laws for downloadable audio to mobile phones Like if you even if you just simple Wikipedia this thing, it's like a huge multi Year-long essay on all the different copyright laws and you look at our copyright laws in the united states and the only one that I could see um this being was um I don't know misappropriation of The trademark It's the only thing I could really see them being like oh well This is what we intended the use for whatever the thing is, but this still slightly follows under fair use and one of the fair use laws in uh United states is transformative fair use Which is something that adds something new with a further purpose or a different character Um, it doesn't substitute for the original use of the work, which could be debatable Was this meant as a substitute? I don't necessarily think so. That's a classic game. This wasn't trying to replace that being said That's really tricky to compare you know Japanese copyright law to america copyright law And enforce those both ways So I imagine that that's one of the big things that they have trouble with Is enforcing that overseas kind like you said about the whole youtube thing as having you know different copyright laws from different countries being enforced over one specific area and Like you said, I'd like to see nintendo kind of come out in front of this for once and say hey You know, this is why yeah, this is why we shut this down. This is exactly why we shut this down Like if if they like even if they came out and said we don't have a good reason We just shut it down because of copyright laws fine. Just just tell us something I mean best case scenario they say oh, we have another metroid game coming out. We don't want this to be I have a little story Uh a long time ago. This was probably Five years ago now Zelda and former could not receive ads from nintendo Because our website was violating nintendo's copyright Uh pretty much the only part of their copyright that they claimed We were violating was the fact that we had zelda in our name Of course, they don't own the copyright to the name zelda, but The larger point is that they were uh, they had a new policy going effect that meant any website that had any reference to Any direct name reference to a nintendo ip would not get ads No, they couldn't legally shut us down But they could you know make us, you know, not serve ads on our site Which for those who don't know ads are actually like the main source of income at zelda the former And nintendo ads in particular make the most money because we serve to a nintendo audience So nintendo fans are most likely to click on ads for nintendo games as opposed to the ones that are currently at the bottom of our site I mean every now and then we get some good ads, but uh, we're not getting good ones right now. Yeah anyways, so Uh Hopefully, I mean if traffic goes up basically the higher our traffic goes the better our ads end up becoming Tell your friends we're not get we're not getting a lot of traffic right now. So we're not getting we're not getting good ads anyways, so they They shut down and they won't let us have everything and I thought it was really weird I talked to my nintendo rep. I talked to I tried to go up the chain I figure out what's going on because we're still getting review copies of games Uh, we're still getting all the press releases. I was told by my nintendo rep that we're still legally allowed to use all the official art Um, and we could use it for profit if we want, you know Which basically just means that we could post the art and advertise it and put like advertisements on the page Basically, we have all the legal rights to use all of nintendo's stuff Um and not get hit for it. Why they gave us the legal rights for it. I have no idea Um, we're we're also legally allowed to to upload their trailers to our own video player Um, that's not on youtube and make 100 ad revenue off it if we want. We don't do that more. We used to do that um Everything sucks compared to youtube for video players. So whatever we just deal with youtube, but it's We we got all these rights, but then nintendo won't advertise on us. It just didn't make sense to me it turns out That this call did not actually come from nintendo themselves. It wasn't from nintendo america So all of nintendo's legal stuff is handled by third party firms that their partners with and these firms Are basically given a general edit for like this is the kind of stuff we you should be shutting down They're giving a couple of examples Uh, and then that's that and at the time the firm interpreted That uh, something in those documents to mean k. We need to protect your ip Everything that has your ip in the title. We need to call it We need to contact all the ad companies and tell them they're no longer allowed to use it or we're going to sue them That's basically what happened That's not what nintendo meant and it took nintendo Um, and i'll take a lot of sites complaining um through back channels who try to keep it out of the public eye because I mean you just ads your visiting the site for free. It's not your problem Um, anyways, so it took a lot of people complaining and about a year later It finally got lifted and nintendo ads were allowed to be on our site again uh, so The moral out of this story is that while nintendo is taking these down It's the law firm that represents nintendo taking them down We don't actually know that nintendo of america like reggie fissame got on the phone It's a hey look this metric to remain you gotta go shut that down We don't know that nintendo of america is actually doing this. We don't know the third layer of it We only know the only thing we know is that their law firm the the law department that represents nintendo america is shutting them down so I brought up my story because It's easy to be really mad at nintendo right now uh Heck i'm mad at them For reasons that have nothing to do with this that they Have not even announced when they're going to announce the nx Um, and I know I always make fun of an announcement for an announcement But it's pretty normal to set a day and have it public for when you're going to have an announcement of that of this magnitude So i'm kind of perturbed that if it's happening next month, we're heading to the middle of august now We still don't know like this is just Frustrating That's why i'm upset with nintendo, but this stuff It could just be stuff swept under the rug by their legal department and because technically these things are Breaking copyright no one's really disputing that the scans and the fan game do violate copyright They're I mean I have not read all the people have said about it They all recognize it it does break copyright like you are technically doing something that's against the law Uh, but the counter argument is Is it worth shutting down when you could have all this positive buzz around something? um, well, I think And it it's not really I I would argue it's not worth shutting it down from nintendo side I don't think it's worth their them ruining their public image for shutting them down Yeah, like it's going to be a pr thing You know the only thing I say is as I said especially with the metro 2 game if that if that ip law exists where they have to At least show they're trying to protect their ip Then I understand like they might not have had a choice in that one nintendo power one I don't get at all But again Nintendo might not like nintendo themselves might not be the blame it could be their law firm And then you can get my nintendo for like oh, why don't you police in the law firm? Well nintendo's got a zillion things going on didn't they also shut down the twilight princess hd thing The the thing by tamoya whatever the fan project was that was coming out. Let me check Because I remember hearing about that I don't think it got shut down Let me look here. Yeah, it was by tamoya. I remember because we were covering it. Um No, no, it didn't get to them. Okay. No, what what what they said is there was a recent takedown at that time of a different game Uh, and they knew twilight princess hd was coming out. So they said that we're gonna kind of back off publicly Because like they were getting a whole bunch of attention Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Um, so like they wanted to back off to like not get nintendo to notice that they're there Um, which I'm sure the thing is is nintendo knows that zeld informer exists Apparently I got confirmation this year that they read zeld informer So they everything we post they read so they know Um about everything that we post so the chances are someone at nintendo knows about this hd project. They just don't care Um, that's why I keep wondering if it's just their legal department because their legal department Probably isn't scoping the internet trying to find all these projects. They notice them when they get massive media attention Um, and then they just do what they think they're supposed to do which is protect the ip and issue dmca takedowns um And usually that's all you have to do because no one wants to actually get in a legal fight It's gonna cost you more money than it's worth to fight these things usually um, so yeah, I don't know it's I'm actually looking at the twilight princess hd project right now The last update that the creator of it put on facebook is uh link dressed in the breath of the wild shirt Holding the fierce deity sword Oh, this is awesome So on nintendo anyways on nintendo's corporate website if you go to nintendo.com Slash corp slash ipp policy, uh dot jsp it says nintendo respects intellectual property of others and we ask users of nintendo products and services to do the same in accordance with the dmc in the us And the ecd in the you EU and other applicable law we have adopted a policy of removing in a they misspelled inappropriate No, yes, no of removing Oh inappropriate circumstances at our sole discretion any content that appears to infringe intellectual property of rights of others we may also at our sole discretion Limit access to nintendo products and services and or terminate the accounts of any users who infringe any intellectual properties Property rights of others whether or not there is any repeat infringement So it sounds like it's pretty blanket statement. Yeah, it sounds like it's like if there's we can do what we want If we think there's something wrong. Yeah, and we're not Even if we're not responsible if we're wrong. They're basically They're they're the Ben Affleck of this batman vs. Superman movie if there's even a 1% chance That there's something wrong. They're gonna they're gonna treat it with absolute certainty and That's kind that's just what I imagine that they're doing at this point is they're like well And you know I wrote that whole article on it and there's still there's one thing that I can kind of see and I don't know why this is the only reason that I could see them doing this Is that they have in their heads an idea of what you know Metro it's supposed to look like Mario's supposed to look like all these different games are supposed to look like and they don't want anybody else taking that Into their own hands and so like if you every time you hear about A new game being developed in a main core ip series One of the core producers of that series even if it's uh, you know legend of zelda when they were making What was it triforce heroes? I know it was one of these games that that wasn't like made by the main People at the studio it still had like heavy direction from The core zelda team or from aonuma or something like that Uh Grezzo was the development team ian triforce heroes. Yeah, so I imagine and he talked about it was directed By fubi ashi. Yeah, so there's somebody part of the zelda team. There's somebody that's always like well Are you are you doing it right? Are you treating these characters right as link this character is? Does he look like this does he fall in line without what we have for him? And I imagine that it's really stressful to work on a property. I think I think uh I think twilight princess hd was probably what you're thinking of. Yeah that because uh, the What is it the Twilight twilight princess twi triforce heroes Um, that that was actually the brainchild of fubi ashi who was also the person. I think it was fubi ashi Man, I better make sure that's right. I'll check it out. I feel like I am you keep talking Anyways, the guy who directed triforce heroes also directly linked between worlds. So like that game was was basically Uh him and igianomo wanting to do a multiplayer zelda. So like that was entirely influenced by the zelda team Twilight princess hd Was not they that was made by that group in australia And they had some video conferences with igianomo here and there Um, but for the most part it was they were through something chicada. Yeah, okay So they would do something then they would come back to igianomo igianomo would give feedback over a video conference and then they would go back at it Um, so that was that's what twilight princess hd like what you're describing. It's actually twilight princess hd. Okay. Um, yeah So triforce there hasn't been a mainline game outside of the capcom games That hasn't been directed by someone at it Well, I imagine it's still at that point. They had to check back with You know the oh, I'm sure and there was a they probably had to go through miyamoto and yeah but Let's get into some some good stuff. Obviously, we're talking a lot of news today. Anyone who's paying attention We've already gone way over the news. It's just two of us. So this is what we want to talk about um, and to get into a bit of the positive light because the first couple topics weren't Hey, we weren't exactly too positive um mcv released a report about the nx Again, nintendo just announced when we're going to find out if this stuff is true. That would be awesome over there so, uh The big news out of this one the biggest of the big news Is that within the launch window which nintendo always describes as the first six months Of a console being on the market. They are not only going to have breath of the wild There's going to be a new mario game. And here's the kicker a new pokemon game And this is you know pokemon sun and moon comes out later this year. So this is not very long between games Obviously, we don't know what type of pokemon game it is It could be a mainline game poke a tournament too You know, this is uh, you know, it does not specify in this report What type of pokemon game it could be for mario? A lot of people assume it's going to end up being a 3d mario because I don't know how you could do 2d mario right at this time after super mario maker came out Um But yeah, so that like that's big news. You're also getting Nintendo's three biggest franchises. They also reported that they're busy getting third party developers sega squaring x ubisoft Yep, activision and warner bros Um working on games. So it sounds like they're wanting to And we know, um, get out good games. Uh, who makes dragon quest? Oh, don't don't do this me one second I I just wrote about coming up for nx Yeah, yeah drink the new dragon quest x 10 I mean dragon was 10 already came out But it's like if you follow the dragon quest series like their releases are really weird In terms of how they number things but anyways the new dragon quest there's two of them coming out Uh One of the new ones coming out dragon quest x is coming out on nx and playstation 4 Which is interesting Which that's interesting just because it's It's um, it's squaring. I close the issue Squaring it's okay. So that could be what the square in this game is because we already have that confirmed The people behind the game we have confirmed. So like that is an x nx game activision a lot of people assume call of duty Um Warner bros who knows I don't even know what they're working on right now since the batman series is over Um ubisoft we already know just dance. Mm-hmm They've already confirmed that that's coming. So that could be that's all that could be all we get Sega probably has a sonic game. It's it's whatever that new sonic game is. Yeah, the new sonic game was confirmed for nx Uh, so basically at least three of these five companies or four of the five whatever we could we can kind of Already know that while it sounds nice to list them off Uh, sega square enix Probably activision assuming to call of duty and ubisoft. We essentially know what game It's going to be the one game that they probably have in the world Let's not discount how big the dragon quest series is Oh, yeah, it is it's huge and how big that game is probably going to be and i'm not saying that that's like Definitely going to be a system seller, but that's to have a game And here's going to be the the comparison is since it's releasing for The strongest console in the market right now along with the nx It's going to be interesting to see how they play side by side because if it can hold up comparably To the ps4 then it'll have no problem with this Um, well, and I think the art style of the game actually plays a lot a lot of a lot more favorable to Um, the prospects of the nx like it's not a game that feels like it would push the playstation Yeah, but I mean like if it looks it's gonna look good. It's gonna look good. Yeah I mean, well, I mean like there are there's still some games though that don't push other systems That the Wii U has trouble rendering Um, so I'm I'm interested to see whether we use also I mean that we use basically a full generation behind tech. Yeah, no, it's yeah The nx won't be a full Generator, I mean it might be behind the the xbox scorpio. It's like it's like a half step down Yeah, well, well, well, I mean we don't obviously we don't know that's the ruber right now Is that it's about a half step down Speaking of that the mcv report also kind of reconfirmed as they say the handheld Um tagra one all that original report from Eurogamer Uh, so again, this is like another site out of I'd say probably at least a half dozen reputable sites that have Quote-unquote confirmed the nx rumors um Yeah, that's Well, well not only that but emily rogers has been saying stuff like this for a while now And yeah, people don't like her Well, I like listen to her I follow her on twitter. I have no problem with her. Um, but They she she said that this was gonna happen She said that we were already gonna start seeing like Eurogamer and other sites post stuff like this So i'm becoming more and more Luckily to believe that this is the case and at this point nintendo really needs to get in front of The media for this thing. Yeah before this goes. I think the only thing I think the only hope if anyone's holding our hope Uh that there isn't that this isn't it It's that A while ago there was a rumor That nintendo had uh in their stk Had two skews in their stk That suggests two different hardware like iterations of yeah, I remember this. Yeah, which means that this might be What they're releasing Next year like first when they talk about in march and then by the holiday season They could be hitting you with the other annex, which is the beefier system And all the games that were on the the nx handheld can also be played over there And you can also hook the like the handle can stand on its own and play all the nx games But if you want that extra frame rates that extra 4k, which you will you know, whatever You will be able to get that in an optional system if you really want it And a nintendo has talked at length about universal operating systems like trying to mimic what apple does over multiple devices Mr. Satoru, I want to reference in the past that they might have multiple skews for nx's never confirmed They would just that they might do it It's gonna be a hard sell though It's gonna be a very hard sell The only real hope there is in this is that Playstation and xbox those two brands are essentially doing the same thing The only thing we don't know at this time with like the playstation neo and the playstation are the xbox scorpio Is if you can use your disc that you bought to play that game on the playstation 4 on the neo And if you can use that disc on the xbox one on the xbox scorpio Or if you have to buy a separate version of the game to do that the From the reports for the for the neo at least is that And this is this sounds like it's going to be a lot more work than is worth it Sure Is that each game is going to have two different modes going to have the 4k 4.5 mode for the playstation neo. Yep, or 4.5 and then it's also going to have the regular mode I don't know if it's going to be an auto detection thing Or if it's just going to be a you know a mode that you select in the options menu. I have no idea Um, sure, but that's I I can't see them. I think they said in a press release at some point I might be wrong about this that they weren't going to do two separate Games for each the only thing I remember for sure Is sony said That every game that releases on neo needs to have also released on the playstation 4 Yeah, there cannot be any neo exclusive games scorpio. Maybe something completely different. We don't really know what we don't know. Yeah, so Like we have an idea about powerful it'll be but The scorpio that is the neo technically they haven't confirmed any of the rumored power specs of it. They've just been like, hey This is a thing we're coming out. Yeah, like we're going to talk about next year. Basically That's basically what nintendo is doing with with the nx with nx. Yeah, except they're going to talk about it this year Yeah, so at some point So that's kind of the hope you can hold out for is that nintendo has two skews Um, everyone else is doing it. Uh, nintendo's unique spin on it will be one of our skews you can take on the go Well, it's it's kind of It's not that weird if you think about it. Well, you'd have to at this point Like you're just think about it think about it if if you look at this generation We have the wii u and the 3ds. Imagine that the wii u and 3ds like say the 3ds was slightly beefier Drop the 3d screen so they could keep the price down and they have the wii u And instead of the gamepad you could just use your 3ds as a gamepad if you would like Otherwise it would just be like the the pro controller. Well, my thing is you're having to buy two seven systems the operating system is universal And Every game released in a 3ds and every game released in the nx just works on the other systems Like it's basically what we have now, but better in terms of cross compatibility and uh, a better account system And the fact you only have to buy the game one time you don't have to buy it twice I'm saying it's going to be a hard sell because from the rumors we're getting it's going to be about a 200 to $300 system For if if if this is what they're doing with a handheld version and then a home version later Um, that is that's this isn't like this is speculation still. Um, yeah If that's just like that one rumor that said the nx is going to be cheaper than you think it is Yeah, so if so i'm thinking 200 bucks is probably what they're gonna If that's what it is if the handheld version of it is at 200 and then they release it later They're going to have to convince you To spend another two to three hundred dollars on this other. I don't think they have to convince anyone I I mean like I I I think it's more like It's just about options. It's like phones Apple doesn't tell you to go buy the 6s plus It it just says here's our new phone You could still go buy our old phone all the games that are on our new phones still work on the old Like it's it's more about Um, if nintendo is going with this whole universal operating system so like all your games transfer forever in the future and everything just works across multiple form factors that Uh, they're kind of building an ecosystem at least this is what i'm hoping they're doing that They're building an ecosystem where they don't you don't have to buy the system But if you're someone that you're like that power hungry guy you want your nintendo playstation. Well here it is If that's what it is go buy it go buy like go buy it like it's right here You can you can have it if you want it We're not going to support it any different than we were already supporting the nx as a platform It's going to get all our games anyways my only every nx platform will have all the nintendo games I'm just worried that what they're going to send out is going to be strictly the handheld version And there's not going to be any way for you to put it onto the tv until this next Until the whole i don't think that comes out That's my fear well because like the the rumor says it has a docking station I think I think you will be able to play on your tv with your handheld based on the rumors Um right away if you want the docking station might be sold separately I don't know but you will be able to use that handle on your tv if you would like to And you don't have to ever get another separate nx to play it But if you want that more power You can do it. I mean the other theory was obviously that they would have supplemental computing devices Which they have a patent for Like the docking station they've got an external they're like like the docking station could be an external gpu And if that's the case then this thing can be as powerful as the PlayStation 4 Because the processor from the Tegra one is plenty fast enough to not be a bottleneck To match the PlayStation, but it's the gpu that isn't good enough Just imagining like this one piece of hardware with wires spanning out of it and Like towers upon towers well, I don't think it'll be towers upon towers like you can put the gpu in the docking station And it would just be a thing that sits on your tv just like the gamepad charger. You just set your gamepad on it It works The only thing I would hate about that is my if my kids grabbing as I'm playing on the tv No, what are you doing? That's a problem for me to worry about I actually don't think I actually don't think it's going to be that bad Like if they have supplemental computing devices, it I mean right now I have my wii you hooked up with an external hard drive plugged into it It's not that it like it doesn't feel like clunky or a big deal Um, actually my xbox one has an external hard drive pointed it to like it doesn't feel It doesn't feel like it doesn't belong if that makes sense. Yeah, um, and that's you know I assume that I'll have probably have to have an external hard drive hooked up if they allow that kind of thing Um, but we'll see hopefully they reveal it soon I want to move on to some fan topics because we had some good topics this week Including for our first time ever a fan topic submitted through our youtube So thank you guys for all you folks who watch us on youtube. Enjoy the video version Feel free to submit your fan topics down in the comments on every single episode we upload Even if it's questions about prior episodes, we will bring it up and do our best to answer it If you want to know about Nate's love life, please Please ask questions. Yeah, don't I got you yelling at me right now about anyways not yelling at me She's not at me, but she's mad at her son Anyways, so on youtube Uh, I again, I always apologize if I butcher you guys's names Anna Clara Julia Feels like three first names to me From our youtube page says hello zelda informer. I was wondering Like the new zelda game is huge, right? Twilight princess is also really big, but we had mendah and her portals to go faster Do you guys think that a similar mechanism will be featured in the game? We already know the answer to this. I will let elford give it Uh, yes Short and simple, uh, so the Spirit towers that you see are not spirit towers. Sorry. She could try and yeah towers the towers. Yeah, the she Sorry spirit towers spirit track anyways The sheikah towers that you activate early in the game Once you go to that sheikah tower You are able to fast travel back to that sheikah tower So you can't just go to any sheikah tower. You want it to be in the game But all the sheikah towers rise up after you activate the first one and then you have to go to that sheikah tower use your Your sheikah slate at the top of it gain Which by the way is how you unlock the map For each of those areas like the general map So you go to the top of the tower you put your sheikah slate in unlocks the map and as soon as that happens You are able to then teleport back to that tower anytime. So fast travel does exist in this game It sounds very far cry 4e It sounds very video gamey. Well, like in terms of there being like towers. Yeah that towers. Yeah All that stuff. Yeah, it's a waypoint system. Yeah You know it's been in games for a long time The zealots here itself has used it You know not just like with the portals In terms of the physical always going to the same spots They did that in well, obviously Kind of they kind of did it in our green time. They also did it in majora's mask with the owl statues Uh and scoured sword when you fall down you could go to any of the things you have to play a new song each for each tower now There's like a hundred towers. No, that's not that's not how I teleport when I played the demo at one point I teleported back to the tower it's literally just open your map and tap on it go. That's that's handy Yeah, so it it exists. Thank you for your question. You don't have to worry about it I know someone other people answered it to you, but you know if you were hoping that we would shed some more light on it That's exactly how it works um Going over to our twitter We had one question asked and it says what this is by twilight yoshi They ask what makes a 2d zelda game good? What makes a 3d zelda game good? It's just an idea that I thought of It's a good idea It's a very good idea um What makes 2d zelda games good and 3d zelda games good? I think Oh man, I had an answer for this and I forgot it Um, I think what makes a 3d zelda game good is the open world Or like the exploration of the open world and in a very Well, no because the link to the past had that and that was a 2d game Uh, I don't know. I don't know if there's really that much difference between A 2d zelda game and a 3d zelda game at this point aside from like what's easier for them to run on each system I mean that's the only thing I can think of being a difference for I don't think I think in order to have a good 2d zelda game. There are different things that need to work with it Sure, like the mechanics, um like taking This the switches for example with the The eye switches Yep, um with the arrow in order to Have a top-down perspective for it like I couldn't imagine them doing that um in like a Like a weird 2d type way like the best way that it works I'll put it this way is the top-down perspective where you can see what you're shooting at. I'm in a more direct way um And taking that and being able to take 3d Uh mechanics and putting them on a 2d game. Well, I think that's what makes it a good 2d zelda game is to kind of have the same Zelda experience either way Without having to sacrifice anything if that makes sense. I know I really This is where uh This is awesome because I think total opposite so 2d zelda games There's something you'll notice if you play the 2d zelda games and I'm including You know any of the top-down games that you know aren't technically 2d the 2.5 d Limp dream worlds. You could actually go into 3d. Yeah. Um ironically by becoming 2d Anyways, so you got the top-down games I'm going to also include zelda 2 in this because that's also a 2d game and it also fits what I'm trying to say The 2d zelda games are one a lot more action-y You are constantly fighting things all the time Yeah, two They are typically a lot more puzzle based A lot of your progression is based around puzzles In the 3d zelda games a lot of your progression is either based on a linear set of instructions Which 2d zelda games also typically don't have Or it's based upon exploration. I don't know about the world The a lot of a lot of the worlds in 3d zelda games you kind of progress by just exploring But a lot of the dungeons are puzzle based Yeah, well, yeah, dungeons dungeons are always like dungeons. That's the whole point of a dungeon if I'm being honest It's got to be puzzle based so You know dungeons aside just the general feel of what makes the games good Is that the 2d games are literal action adventure games It is lots and lots of action all the time with well thought out puzzles that fit within a 2d realm And then the 3d games I feel like are more about Exploring a 3d space and figuring out how to traverse through that 3d space whether it's through hitting a switch or shooting an eye A lot of a lot of 3d puzzles you don't see in the 2d games And a lot of the 2d puzzles you don't see in the 3d games because they're not built to work in those in those ways Black pushing puzzles obviously work in both Um, I will admit personally the black pushing puzzles feel better in 2d games than in 3d games And I think that's because black pushing puzzles were originally invented in 2d games and adapted to the 3d well And it always feels weird in a 3d game when you're pushing a block at like when it has Certain square spaces that can move at sure sure and in the 3d games like shooting shooting a an eye switch Doesn't feel right in a 2d game So I think that each perspective provides unique puzzle Uh like unique unique ability to do puzzles because you have to think about your limitations Um, and your surroundings depending on which version you're working at So I feel like they both prevent different puzzle ideas and concepts And that makes Zelda in general good because Zelda's always had puzzles in it Uh, and I think the 2d games in particular are really good because they stick more to what the series was founded on Uh puzzles existed in Zelda 1 But 90 percent of your time in Zelda 1 is spent in combat So at exploring Yeah exploring exploring exploring is always it was an open real game So exploring and I feel like 2d games are more built around the combat and the 3d games are more built around the exploration Now they both have combat. They both have exploration But to me, there's kind of a clear divide in that even a link between worlds, which is you know, a fairly open world in terms of progression um It didn't feel as open to me as Ocarina of time did And that's just a feeling technically It was more open than ocarina of time was ocarina of time actually had some pretty solid Linerity to it Unless you wanted to unless you wanted to quote-unquote break the game You didn't really break the game But um, you can end up doing done this out of order if you wanted if you were really really willing to put in the tedious effort to do so Yeah, yeah, I mean the game clearly guides you you should go here. You should go there and you Go here. What do you mean clearly guides you like is there a character that reminds you every five seconds where you need to go? Hey, listen, um So Yeah, that's just just my take is I feel like both perspectives provide something unique and zelda is great and good because they take advantage of The unique things you could do in that space like all the physics you see in Breath of the Wild is not going to happen in a 2d zelda game But that makes Breath of the Wild awesome And all the action that you're getting in the 2d games helps make the 2d games awesome Uh, and there's action in Breath of the Wild, but it's totally different Uh, and it feels good. So yeah That's to me like there isn't like one thing But the differences and how nintendo takes advantage of the differences is what makes them unique and makes them good Well, and and the 2d versions always seem More like they're ready for like a portable system Like they're more ready to be picked up and played and then put down pick up and play Yeah, as whereas like once you enter into a dungeon on the in like a 3d zelda game You should probably commit to that otherwise you're gonna save the game and start back over from the beginning You better make sure you have at least an hour. Yeah Um And they're gonna be wrong. They usually give you a like midpoint saves Or sometimes you can just some games that you just save whenever you want But It's always good to have a little bit of time when you play a 3d zelda game the 2d ones Especially in League between worlds triforce heroes really built around like short play sessions Especially triforce heroes like you could play like triforce heroes was definitely built for I mean You could play it for longer. Yeah, you could play it for longer, but it's you know, and there's time I think there's time limit. I don't think there's a time limit. No, wait. No, there's no time limit. No, sorry I'm thinking of uh some four sword stuff um Okay, so Yeah, thanks for your your topic. I'm kind of gonna rush through Some of these just because we could talk about fan topics all day uh From our facebook page. Shay Elise Hess Uh says that my question is can't zelda and link be brother and sisters in our community of time? Because link doesn't have any other family His mom died when she was escaping the war and zelda doesn't have a mom at all There are also the same age and look alike If it was war the air would have been smuggled out And if commoners knew about the forest won't they seek shelter within it? Okay A few things a few issues I have with it um The kakiri forest doesn't prevent link from growing up So the protection that the great do good deco tree provides won't help outsiders Um In fact, it would more likely draw the enemies to come to that area if more people were gathering there So I I don't think Um That commoners would think to go seek shelter there because you remember link came as a baby So he link already has grown up some in kakiri forest So yeah, I Think that commoners probably think that kakiri forest is weird and that it's full of children Well, I think that they they'd think that kakiri forest is kind of like a Forbidden place you'd think yeah, well plus plus kakiri forest is like right next to the lost woods Yeah, and like there's probably the stories of the lost woods and what happens when you get lost to them like Yeah, children Yeah, like that like leaks out and I'm sure people like yeah, we don't want to go anywhere in that place Um So that I mean I I think some of that kind of plays in the commoners not wanting to go there Obviously the mother of zelda or of zelda of link knowing that the great deco tree is there and is like a magical being Um, is why she brought link there in the first place instead of like saying oh, let me bring him to the sheikah to protect him Um, and at the same time We don't know that the mother knew that link was important Um, because we don't know who his mother is We don't know if the mother knew that link was who he who he I doubt I doubt that Yeah, like I think that the mother there was a war going on And she knew there was a high likelihood. She was probably going to die And she wanted to make sure her son survived and the war was not happening in kakiri forest Because the commoners were not going there the war was being fought out in hydro field hydro castle, etc So she brought her son there hoping that her son could just have sanctuary This is a very common thing happens in real life wars too back in the day I think that I'm even probably even today. I probably still have what would be I mean if you if you take a look at what at who link is in the game He's he's the the deco tree calls him the child of destiny at one point. Yes, um, so You could say that destiny got it his mother's hand to bring him to sure the forest sure He would fulfill his destiny Um, and his mother probably didn't know that he was anything special like I don't think that that was like To me it feels like if there's a war going on you want to protect your children. Yeah Um, why she was the only one the dropper child off there. I have no idea That's part of destiny Probably Other people were probably thinking oh, let's go behind the walls of hydro castle. Let's go here. Let's go there And she's like I think the safest place is where the bad guys aren't even thinking about going So again a lot of destiny stuff there. I also think that I do not think that link and Zelda our brother and sister I mean kind of the big thing you bring up um I know they look the same similar Especially in the facial facial features um Which could indicate things I also think it's a limitation of the the graphics at the time I also think that a lot of the children I have seen in Hyrule look similar So I think they just that that's kind of the traits when they're a kid And then as they grow up and become an adult they look different because adult zelda does not look like adult link You've got to remember too that like They're not They're not human They're highly in And so that's we don't know how the genetics works. It's a specific race Like the Gerudos are a specific race the co-carrier specific race Yeah So like they may all look similar because they're from that race like the Gerudos really don't have any defining traits No, they don't look different. Yeah, except for Ganondorf. Yeah, because he's a guy Yeah, he's gonna have different parts that the girls don't know. Yeah, but You're you're probably not going to see too many Differentiations between them I mean the only reason that you really see a big one I'd say between link and zelda is because they're main characters And so nintendo is going to make us stand out. Let me I'll put it this way shea Um, thanks for this this really interesting question Uh, is it possible that they're brother and sister? It is possible We can't I rule the story doesn't state otherwise There is no Definitive answer that I'm aware of out there Where even the the creators have answered That they are not brother and sister I just don't believe that the sister. I think it's more compelling if they're not brother and sister um Yeah, because I don't think you would figure If she was the queen of hyrule And she was protecting the quote-unquote male heir The king would know about it. She'd also protect zelda too. I don't think she would just drop off for sun Like like oh, let me protect link but not so That makes no sense And then you could argue well, maybe she was pregnant with zelda at the time Yada yada yada, but then Okay, the king would have still known but there's still but you also made like there's no way it actually would have been like There's no way in heck the king would not have known he had a son And then just didn't know that the queen took the sun and then just been like up. Guess he's gone. Oh, well Yep, he died no more. What what big what no statues no memorials or Yeah, I remember like and even at the end of our coming of time Obviously link and sent back to re enjoy a shout out or whatever, but There's no indication. There's no indication that link is going to take on any sort of ruling role Um, I just don't think they're related like that. I think they're just both hylians haven't been born around the same time Uh one's royalty one was probably from a peasant Um And that's that's really the end of it. No, we're talking canon, but Nate's fan fiction. It's completely different story But again, as I said it can't it's possible Um, I don't think that's the case but That's that that's a joy of fan theories, right? You know, you just kind of come up with things you think are cool And then find evidence for it um So michael's surprise from our facebook page says, uh, that ocarina of time majoris masks are overhyped Because they are the debut series and entrance into the 3d realm So obviously he's talking about it was the series debut into 3d. Yeah. Yeah Um, that applies to ocarina of time I don't think it applies to majoris mask So you could you could talk a lot about whether ocarina of time is still a great game today Whether it's overhyped etc I don't rank ocarina of time that high on my favorite zelda game list So i'm kind of the wrong person to talk to about this because i'm gonna agree with you Uh, it's good to get someone who disagrees with you But majoris mask Majoris mask for starters. Let me just go the other way. Majoris mask was not popular back in the day It's still not really as popular as some of the main line zelda games Yeah, yeah, I believe when majoris mask released released. It was the worst selling zelda game in the series I'm fairly confident that if you go back and you look at all the games The legend of zelda through majoris mask just cutting off there On the original n64 release that majoris mask was the worst selling I I can't I'm I see I've looked at the sale so many times. Don't worry. I'm checking it right now. Yeah Link's awakening might have been less I think I think you might you might be right about links awakening But I don't think majoris mask sold highly enough I think that's why they were so reluctant to make the 3d version Was because there was no reason for them to it wasn't really like let me a highly rated game that they were like Oh, man, this game's got this bigger fan base I'm looking at the sales here You're trying to yeah majoris mask was second. No, it was It sold less than links awakening Link's awakenings sold 3.83 million copies and majoris mask sold 3.36 million Yeah, so majoris mask Was the worst selling zelda game at that time until that point. Yeah. Yeah, so it To call it popular especially because you're talking about just back in the day Like it people only think it's good because it was one of the first 3d zelda. That's wrong People didn't buy the game compared to the other games. It was not popular People didn't like that it I remember back then people didn't like it wasn't in high rule People didn't like it was only four dungeons people didn't like that the time the time mechanic not like it People hated it people didn't mind the side quests too much, but they didn't like the time mechanic They didn't like the expansion pack They didn't like having to get the expansion pack which granted came with the game at the time, but They they didn't like because you could there were versions of the game like release later It didn't have the expansion pack But it's also really snored near the end of the n64's life and 64's lifetime And uh, some people honestly didn't like the idea of masks replacing items The transformations and all stuff like people just weren't really digging it at the time Now there were obviously people that loved it at the time The founders of zelda informer absolutely loved majora's mass day one But they loved it for what it is so like I know like the operation moonfall movement a lot of stuff to get majora's mass 3d to happen and There are people that adore majora's mass I think I think you could find that with any of the zelda games. I adore skyward sword There's a lot of people that don't I adore zelda 2 There's a lot of people that don't But there are Actually as i'm finding out a fair number of people that do adore skyward sword that do adore zelda 2 and there are a fair number of people that adore majora's mass and A lot of what makes people like majora's mask is how different it is All the reasons that people don't like it are generally the reasons why there are a group that love it And you could even consider that as one of the reasons why nintendo has been so reluctant to Break the conventions of zelda is because of how poorly that game was received Yeah, that game broke every convention basically that existed yeah, like that was not a conventional game For for nintendo or for the zelda series like they all followed a similar plot and it was made in a year um Like it's just it's very Yeah, so I I disagree with your assessment. Um, I don't think it's overrated. I think it's underrated. No over hyped uh A lot of that hype I think had to do with people just wanting it to get remade because It would be a really easy remake because most of the assets come from operating of time So it would just be a really easy remake so it got a lot of hype because people are like, well Why won't you do it? It's not going to cost you hardly anything to do it. Yeah Um, so I think that's where a lot of the hype came from if you notice today People aren't really talking about majority's mask a lot right now Uh, because hey the game came out until they do like an hd version of operating of time People aren't going to be talking about majority which I guarantee you we're going to get on the nx Someday, I don't hopefully nx, but someday like that's the next step for for remakes is revisiting the ones They haven't done an hd yet. Um Unless they decide to do the 2vd ones which they could Um, but anyways, that's a discussion for a different time So I agree with you on arcane of time that some of the hype Is overdone and a little overhyped just because of what it represented at the time, which That's that should not be overlooked. That is a massive credit to nintendo Um for what they were able to do at that time Keep in mind too though. It is the second best-selling zelda game The first best-selling zelda game is twilight princess Yeah, so although isn't it the best-selling single platform Okay, we're gonna have time Yeah, I think it outsold the wea version by like yeah, it did it did it not by much by like 300,000. Yeah No, not even so yeah by about 300,000 copies. Yeah, so it is the best single platform selling game, but barely overall It's sold better on the on the or twilight princess is a better center But so I agree that Although then again, you can include the 3ds version in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then you gotta try the princess hd But he then you still don't yeah, but I I would agree that ocarina of time is overhyped and is you know, sure people say that's the gaming and Like I can have time ocarina of time. How do you pronounce it? It While I rank it low on my favorite zelda game list Um, I have a lot of respect for that game Uh ocarina of time is the reason I am here doing a zelda podcast I started my fansite after I beat ocarina of time It's all the domain back in 1998 started after I beat ocarina of time So like it was a large inspiration for me to hey go out there See what fansites exist and realize hey, I think a site like this doesn't exist yet Let me go out and do it and have fun and show my love of the game of love of the series So I I agree with time holds a very special place in my heart. I just Don't in the stuff in it. I just feel like a lot of games have done better And for its time period, I think back in 1998 it was one of the greatest games to come out at that time I just think the zelda series has done everything ocarina of time has done and done it better over and over and over again Well, I think if you look at like, um I'll say just from a game perspective by the way I'm not talking about like in terms of impact. Well, no actually at times impact is is basically unmatched Well, if you look at like any class hopefully the rest of the wild any classic movie and you look back on it It's probably Like it's it was a masterpiece Sure, like okay, this is probably I don't know if anybody really cares, but ben her no the original ben her Was a masterpiece any Cecil uh beat a mill film is a considerable masterpiece A lot of people would say that they don't hold up and you know, they they The special effects certainly don't you don't look at like a 1930s 1940s movie or before then like anytime in the early 1900s And be like man, that's certainly better than anything we have right now Um, and so for what it did in its time period. It was great Um, it was a game changer for lack of a no no pun intended. Yeah, um I do think it is over. I still I love ocarina time not as much as major's mask. Sure. Um, I think major's mask is underrated I don't think it gets nearly the love that it deserves Um, especially the 3d version they improved bond so many things that people complained about in the original version Yeah, it kind of came out and then people stopped talking about it Yeah, pretty much and that I could see why they it didn't sell as well as they would have hoped Neither time three accurate time 3d is still talked about today. Yeah Like that that game's still selling like they still have that on their selects list Sure, sure, and that that game's seen a lot. So see if we can get through the last few topics here I'm going to save one for the end So josh holes in no or holes. I can't pronounce it from our facebook page Said if link is a reincarnation of the goddess's hero. I think you made the hero spirit Uh, then how are there two of them at the same time? Um In breath of the wild with link and also the wolf link amiibo I think the wolf link amiibo Is irrelevant to breath of the wild. Yeah, I don't think it has anything to do with continuity. I think I think I think it's just To to give an amiibo functionality I think it's more like an item Yeah, yeah, like Obviously wolf link is like canon. That's linked from trial and princess Uh, but There could be an explanation for it just like a twilight princess. Technically there's two links in twilight princess Uh, there's the hero shade and then there's link and they're both versions of so like there could be Some subtext explanation like the wolf link isn't a real wolf link. It's Uh, like a spirit of the wolf link or Uh, it could be that breath of the wild is on a different timeline than twilight princess So like it's just like using a time mechanic to bring over someone on a parallel timeline There could be explanations for it. I think it's just wolf link amiibo functionality They they knew they wanted to do some sort of amiibo with twilight princess hd and have it work with Uh, breath of the wild and they just said this would be kind of cool Let's do it. Yeah, I don't think it's a significant plot device for the wolf link in the game I mean, I I understand like it is a plot hole because it exists. You have two links in the game It's it's it's a plot hole I don't know if you pay attention zelda is full of plot So the entire timeline is a plot hole This is just another Like this is a big plot hole, but like this is just another plot hole to throw onto the pile Nintendo doesn't care they just want the game to be fun and it so far. It's pretty fun Um, they ended up cutting him Just a simple question Gorons or zoras Uh, okay I I can't answer this the way I want to Because you want to be one No, I can't answer this the way I want to Um with the reasoning I want to why not just just don't ask don't ask don't talk Um Do you have a fetish? Okay, well, I'm trying to think of things that would be inappropriate giant rock people man. That's that's what gets me going Maybe you like Anyways, so trying to keep a PG still Something to do with fish. Do you like fishing a lot? No. No. Um, I don't know part of me is like, you know, if you really Like the Gorons are really cool, but if you really think about it, they were quite worthless in I mean both of them were really worthless like neither of them did a good job at protecting their domains Um I'm gonna say Kokiri's Look at that. I'll give you I'll give you an answer. I'm going Gorons Uh, the Zoras are cool Uh, the Zoras have also had a canon evolution The Gorons have just from what we're aware. I've always been there Well, they weren't always always looking the same the very first game in the series is Gorons in it They don't look a whole heck of a lot different from Gorons later in the series Um, there are Gorons in the Wind Waker Yes, the the the merchants. Yes. So there's Gorons in the Wind Waker. So somehow Things that live in mountains survive a flood Things that live in water don't survive a flood and have to evolve Um, but is it okay, but to be fair though There is the Pirella became the Zoras and like that could be a reason you like them because they Adapt well, there is a theory that the Zoras became the Ritos Yeah, that was I think that's been confirmed. So so they did evolve into flying birds Yes, so as I said, that could be a reason that you like Zoras that that that would be my reasoning I'm gonna say Zoras. I like Gorons because evolutionary wise they're survivors, baby Survivors, they don't care. Oh, you took away my volcano. I don't need it Dude, I live on rocks as long as there's rocks somewhere, man I'm golden. Okay. I mean, let's just unless it's the rock blocking the entrance Yeah, we don't eat that you say that and then there's like all the rocks surrounding their camp that they won't go eat Because there's a rock blocking the entrance to their They're they're picky At that point they have been spoiled for so long with the premium rocks with the right minerals And now they're like, oh, we gotta go back to eating the ones made of mostly dirt Yeah, but like if you think about like the Zoras are freaking out. They've got a band, okay They do they have a band and they're pretty freaking awesome And an alternate dimension an alternate dimension where they're right on the back of a turtle Okay, I could not make this stuff up But this is they have a band and they perform a milk bar Hey, I was a drummer Gorons were drummers There's my connection. The Gorons are also guitarists not my guitarists, so The Gorons are guitarists or not guitarist Zoras The Zoras are guitarists There you go. So well, then again, you would cook here. So you get out of this. I said afterwards I go Zora Okay, there you go Zora. Apparently his spirit Gorons are mine. Um, so very last question And obviously this podcast got a little longer than I planned, but hey, we had some good some good talking going on Um, patricio hell thrown hair. I know I totally butchered that Uh, they just ask why is skyward sword actually a good game? Well, first of all, do you think it's a good game? Yeah And I actually kind of wrote an article about Some of the plot in that game. Was it that one or was it a different one? It was it was the love story in, uh Twilight princess and I think maybe skyward sword Sure, I think you did some love story comparison. I think if it was skyward sword, then I'm gonna look at it real quick um Well, he's doing that. So I love skyward sword. It is in I believe it is in my top five games I mean, I'm trying to think off top of my head Um, my top five games seems to always change. I do it off time But when I write it down, it stays the same and we are actually doing a poll Or a voting thing right now with all the staff at zel informer So we can compile our current um listing of every zel the game that's ever been released including the Uh cdi games and all the side games a game and watch tingle games, etc We're ranking everything all thrown at all a giant pile and ranking at all and Let me see for me. Yeah, I had skyward sword as my number two. I figured I would know that but Um skyward sword. I love skyward sword uh There's a lot I could talk about. I like about it like the art direction But I'm gonna focus on probably my primary reason why I love it The combat It's the reason that a lot of people dislike it I love the combat. I think skyward swords combat is the best combat The zelo series has ever had and probably ever will have and I love what they've done with breath of the wild It's still not as good as skyward sword And that's because I love the motion controls. I followed the instructions I did exactly what they told me to do Well It can be annoying waving your arm But it works for me. It works. It works the way the game tells you to do it. It functions Um, you can get lazy and do wrist flicks, but if that happens Don't be surprised if it's not as responsive because the game doesn't tell you to do wrist flicks So like, you know, if you're pointing your remote at the screen to shoot your bow, that's not how it works It's not a broken game. Sorry Tom McShane So skyward sword His combat to me is brilliant. My favorite combat experiences are in that game It's really kind of cool how they kind of hyrule warriors before hyrule warriors happen towards the end a little bit of the spoiler Where you're just swiping through bokeh blends. That was probably the best part Of that game because you know, whenever there's been a complaint. Oh, they don't put enough You don't fight enough enemies at once. I'll just play skyward sword and get to the end Yeah, you fight a ton of enemies. It's awesome And it, you know, I I loved all the sword combat with uh going up against giraheem Some of my favorite matches, uh And I call them matches because the combat in the game felt more organic than it's felt in early other games I basically mass mash a button and win in this game. I have to like read and dodge and parry Um and hit open areas on a person like you're doing real sword fighting And uh real sword fighting, believe it or not, isn't just flail your arm around and you win What? That's what most of the games I mean they've the animations look better, but you're basically just spamming you're basically just wildly swinging and always went in um This game required skill And unfortunately any game that requires skill Also means that there's people who don't like it because they don't have the skill Um, and that's kind of what worked against skyward sword Is that people that either didn't want to play the game the way the game told you to because they wanted to be lazy People who wanted it to be a waggle people who wanted it to be button presses There's a lot of people like cell the way it was so they weren't going to like skyward swords controls um I loved it. I wish that more people loved it too So that could have been the future of the zelda series and that breath of the wild only improvement I have for breath of the wild so far is motion controls It's not going to happen But I would love it That is the primary reason why I love skyward sword so much that seeing the reason best combat to me in the series The only combat I think that is slightly better Is zelda 2 But again that took a lot of skill too though Again, that's a high high skill combat system and Yeah, I mean if you can't tell I like skill in my combat Well, that's that's even more so than skyward sword, but that's neither here nor there Yeah, yeah, yeah, but again zelda 2 is also my number one game So I guess I guess you got to tell I love combat in zelda So there you go. That's why I think it's so good I My the reason why I really like skyward sword Was because of the story now. I know a lot of people didn't like the story because Whatever for whatever reason I I enjoyed it. I really liked Um seeing characters progress Grooze Yeah Like you want to talk about it the first time you actually see character progression in a mainline zelda or mainline nintendo game Um, it's there like goes from being the pompous jerk to somebody who cares about his friends Um, sure. Grooze is a great character Very three-dimensional And the story in it was just great like You you actually have you have a reasoning for Where ganondorf came from you have a reasoning for why Link and zelda keep getting reincarnated you have a reasoning for um How hyrule was started You learn about the ceiling the imprisoning war you learn about So much stuff you hear you get to explore different parts of hyrule Um that hadn't been created yet that you hadn't seen yet like unsettled parts There's just so much lord of that game and in a way that we've never seen before and they'll probably Um Can only be topped by what we're going to see in breath of the wild um and You know, there were There were different characters like we're talking about uh Oh, what was what was his name? the Fledge the guy that trains to be to be like link like you see characters like that um that Zelda herself even had some progress. Yeah that the progress or even uh like her acceptance of who she actually is Or imba accepting link or you know, you could even fight for a link accepting who he is And like you get to see impo which is older. Yeah, there's so much in that game That's just overlooked because people are like, oh, I don't like the gameplay It's like the areas are blocked off It's like the story is amazing the art direction. I thought the art direction was beautiful art direction was awesome This though my the only complaint I have for that game is the bland sky Like that's that was it was such a cop out I know that they probably did it because of the limitations of that council um, because you'll be up You'll be up in uh Up in the sky flying around and it it's pretty boring up there on the draws. This is really small They've drawn us in sucks, which again, that's a wee yeah game But like you look, you know, you look down and everything's blocked off by clouds And then you go down to the surface and it's clear of this guy. Yeah I don't like what it continue like that that that bogged me about the game But again, as I said a lot of its limitations of the system Yeah, doesn't take away from me how awesome scabbard sword is again. That's I don't it's not a plot hole But it's a I can never say a continuity or continuity continuity. Yeah, there you go That's my only problem with the game is That Is just the sky and even the oh my gosh the final boss Oh The fight the sword fight with demise was freaking awesome It was epic. I um, okay, so at the time I wasn't live streaming the game uh, because it the well We had two there's a lot of restrictions on how much we could live stream Um, this is back of 2011. So uh live streaming still wasn't nearly as big as it is today. Um, so I couldn't really live stream it. But what I was doing was a live blog Uh, there was this I forget what the software was but I was using this live blogging software in Zellner former And there was like hundreds of people in there Um, and I was just kind of giving them updates as I go like, oh, hey I experienced this really cool thing in this promise, you know, I looked at my NDA so I do what I could talk about what I couldn't People were asking me all these questions as I'm playing and um it just I totally forgot where I was going with that now the demise fight. Yeah, okay, so Um, so as I'm going through I I didn't die in skyward sword until demise Um, and you could take that for what you will game too easy. Whatever you want to think um I'm pretty good at zelda games I'm just throwing that out there when zelda 2 is your favorite game You're probably pretty good at the zelda series And I must say I'm perfect. I died in zelda 2 all the time But uh compared because I like zelda 2 all the other games do feel relatively easy and demise The first time I fought him Spoiler warning when you fight him you can actually skyward strike and capture the lightning I didn't know that because I am playing a press copy of the game before the game comes out There is no guides. There's no information You don't know anything um And not that I would have looked up anything before the fight anyways, but The first time I fight him. I'm just shield blocking and Like trying to fight him back and it felt intense because it felt like a chess match I had to not miss a shield block or I'm probably gonna die Yeah, and I died and it made the fight that much more intense to me come to find out You can back off. You can just cover strikes You can do lightning like you could actually avoid getting and like up close in personal combat with him if you want Um, but even to this day when I fight demise I still get up in his face because to me I think that's the way they intended the game To to end is a sword duel. I mean that's a sword duel with a net and not with a net fishing pole So yes, there are other ways to beat him those other ways make him almost too easy Now I do think I do I do feel that you should be able to progress the way he progresses So when he grabs that lightning and throws it at you to me that says I can grab a lightning throw at you then It's okay now Um, and that's just the way I approach that fight because I didn't know how to do it the first time And that was just that I'll never be able to replace my feeling after I died in that fight I'm like I went on that live blog and I'm like I just died on the final fight in the game first death And people are like wait a second. What? You were cruising and you just died to the final boss. Like how does that happen? Like that doesn't happen like is all the games you get to the final by the time you get to the final boss You know what you're doing Like is this a zelda 2 situation where you get to the final boss and you just kicks your ass Unless you do the crouch in the corner technique And like all the speculation about how could he die and just like Yeah, one I didn't obviously realize the easier mechanics you could use for the fight but two Man that guy came at me with a sword. I thought I'm going one-on-one, baby. Why would I back off and skyward strike forget that? Let's do it Well, like that's the same thing like the game had fights like that like when you fought, uh the pirate on the pirate ships Um, I just a fun note. Um, I didn't use skyward strike that much in the game my first time through Um, not because it didn't function and didn't work. I just I don't know. I didn't feel like I needed it I guess kind of that felt it more fun without it broke the combat for a second because you had to stop Yeah, and combat felt too almost too easy with it Um, I I'm glad that like the sword beam came back But like no one could block the sword beam And so it just kind of felt overpowered. So I didn't use it that much But hey, some people some people want overpoweredness. So more more power to you. Yeah, literally So But you got you got anything else stable skyward sword great game anybody that says differently awesome should quickly now quickly What is your favorite thing that happened the last week? We're not going to discuss it. Just tell me anything Something something no man's guy came out Finally haven't bought it yet because it's not up for pc, but it's out for any other piss for finally finally Been waiting a long time for that. It's gotten great reviews. I have no reason to think it feels It feels like Breath of the Wild in terms of the weight. Yeah It feels like last Guardian in terms of the weight At least it But it's I'm glad that it wasn't a doom situation Wait for our Duke Nukem. Sorry wait forever finally get it sucks. Yeah, but apparently a lot of people love it Uh, my favorite thing in the past week See last week I said it was Nintendo Prime So I can't cop out this time said Nintendo Prime so I will say my favorite thing in the past week Is I don't have anything. Oh, that's sad I really I really I I got a big like I'm trying to think of all the news Say no man's guy just get it over with of video games. Um, maybe my realization. No, no, no My favorite thing this past week had nothing to do with anything that happened this past week. It had to do with Me finally Having the courage to look up changes in the upcoming madden game And I know a lot of people like oh you playing madden. Oh man. You're not a real gamer It's great some great impersonation of people like I'm a sports fan. I love sports games I love madden. I played it every year. Yes. I agree for those who are purists that Um, NFL 2k5 was where it's at, but hey, there's no more of those games anymore. So madden's all we get and I play a lot of franchise mode and they're making a lot of changes of franchise mode And I avoided looking it up avoiding looking it up and finally this week I looked it up I love what they're doing the franchise mode Finally practice squad. It's a thing Thank god Oh, although I'm gonna put good players on my practice squad and people are gonna jack them from me But whatever Oh, also, I'm happy. Also best thing in gaming was lucio bull added to overwatch That was that's an interesting game. So don't be surprised. Let me see. I think comes out. Don't be surprised if on The last podcast of the month if my favorite thing of the past week is mag and came out because It's going to be unless unless nx like gets announced, obviously But yeah So, yeah, man, I love madden go ahead and hate All right, that's gonna do it Two people and we're already at one hour and 47 minutes I love the news section go long. Yeah, I planned it. I was like, hey guys, let's cut everything short and just Just like just talk about news for an hour and I'm like We got some good fan topics. So thank you everyone for listening to the podcast extra long just two people I hope we weren't more on you too much. Uh, thanks for sticking with us. Uh, you can follow me at me chance on twitter Alfred's is something something something elfie. It's it's full metal elfie Full metal elfie. I always get that confused with my instagram name Yep, and you can uh, obviously follow zealot informer at zealot informer that we're zealot informer every social media place you can think of Uh, check us out at zealotformer.com. Thanks for listening to this podcast Uh, I am going to do it probably for the last time because I have a meeting with my boss Tomorrow who's probably gonna be like, uh, you can't talk about nintendo prime anymore. Um Yeah, go check out nintendo prime. I I'm there every day given the latest nintendo news original editorials and eventually the nintendo prime podcast Uh, will we talk about a heck of a lot more nintendo stuff? There's a whole bunch of pokemon stuff that happened that we're not going to talk about here on this level podcast Pokemon pokemon pokemon So just like just to give you an example of something that we would talk about this not on this one Uh, when I say we it's mostly just me. I'm the only person that's part of that podcast at the moment. 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