 So, that's the background, published in the paper in 1985, come the early 90s, I get the phone call from the lawyers for Judas Priest in Reno, Nevada, where the trial is going to take place. This is a civil suit. The plaintiffs have filed for millions of dollars, by the way, in damages. So she calls me up and says, you're the only authorities on this, nobody else has published a paper on background messages, and they were claiming there were a number of backwards abdominals in this particular album, the stained-class album by Judas Priest. And I said, oh, okay, that's fine, I'm more than happy to serve as an expert for you. I'll provide you all the research I can get for you, and other kinds of things. And she says, well, yeah, thank you very much, it's very nice, but no, we want you to come and testify for us. And I said, well, there's a problem, and she goes, what problem? And I said, you probably want my co-author to do this job. He's actually had experience in court as an expert witness, not in this domain, but in eyewitness testimony. And she said, no, no, you're the first author we have to have you. And I said, well, I'll tell you what, I want to agree to do all this and come to the trial if you bring my colleague with me. And she said, yeah, fine, no big deal. And so a year, or almost a year. She calls me once, twice a week, we talk about things, I don't think it's going, and she says, OK, so are you ready to think about your testimony and this kind of stuff? And well, as I said, I think you really want my colleague. So here's what happens. The day of, we're flying down there for the first weekend meeting, an actual face-to-face meeting. Now, the reason I was reticent, and I'd actually told her, is that I actually look like one of the band members. And the judge is known for having somewhat less than positive attitude toward people who look like me. And she's all, pfft, not a problem, don't worry about it. So the day we were flying down to meet the team and Judas Priest, Don Reed was leaving from Vancouver, and he got there earlier to Reno than I did from Lesbridge. So I'm the last to arrive. And I, it's about five in the afternoon, I go to the cab, big law firm, I go in there and there's a big meeting room, there's a big door, very, very dramatic entry. And I come walking in, and there's this woman, I've been talking to her for years, she's the head lawyer, all the other lawyers, there's Judas Priest around the table, there's Don sitting there, I'm like walking in and she looks up and she goes, oh my God. And then it says, now Don, when you're in the stand. So I actually didn't testify, it's a Judas Priest trial. My name is John. I think about knowing.