 Good evening. Good afternoon. Good morning, depending upon where you all are guys It was not my intention to To cover this video this issue of this discussion that Alan Parr had with Marcus Rogers. I Did check it out. I did watch it one of the things that I noticed was and of course many of you all did the same How many other YouTube channels were there as well? And so the first thing I knew was that there were going to be some videos about this and I said to myself I'm not going to be one of them at all Because I don't think it needed to be hopefully there would not need to be a reason to do so but as I watched it as I Don't want to say this There were some things that were not listened there were some good points that were brought out But there were some things that were said that it just It didn't sit well with me. I made my mind though. I still I was not going to do it my grandson came over yesterday and My second oldest daughter and her husband they were out at some church Gathering and they were taking some kids around and so they didn't come back and get my grandchild until Oh, I don't know close but little after 12 o'clock. So it was a rough night My grandchild peed on me. He he threw up in the bed not once but twice and so It's kind of a busy night My mind was still made up though But while I was up I saw a few more videos and it just kept bothering me and bothering me and I After having said I was not going to do a video like that Pull me back in I I just had to because Looking at what was said again, there were some good things that were said and there was I think some benefits to it I think the overall objective At least what I thought that should have been the objective was not reached I don't think that anything was actually accomplished because of this They had a discussion and that was that everyone who felt one way at the beginning felt the exact same way at the end While I was watching it I was watching it on on Marcus's feet as well as Alan's feet and then you just saw the different camps Marcus people they were not going to no matter what Alan said. They weren't going to buy into it He didn't have the spirit. They were really parroting the same things that Marcus said Alan's on his chat people were saying the opposite and so It just depends on what side you were dug into the thing that bothered me the most was not that they didn't really get anywhere It's the opportunity that was missed Here you have Alan par who's got 800 plus thousand subscribers Not to mention however many other follows He's got on other social media platforms and and then you've got Marcus with about 600,000 on on on YouTube plus Outside of that not to mention the people who aren't subscribed who might just be tuning in The opportunity was missed to just to at least flesh out What this whole issue of tongues is not the little personal back and forth or things like that? I really could have cared less But it was just bringing out what tongues actually are one of the things that I really did not see That didn't come out was really what our tongues We didn't hear about what are the purpose of tongues and so I think there was just a gross or a Terrible opportunity that was missed an awesome opportunity. I should say just to tell somebody and really to be firm I get that they want to be cordial and not come across as as ungodly or mean But at the same time there does come an opportunity or time where you need to say listen This is what it is and let's just go through the scriptures, right? There's nothing wrong with that. You can you can go through the scriptures and Be firm and still be godly at the same time and so While they were you know pastor so-and-so and brother so-and-so and all that was good But what about actual doctrine and reading the scriptures? And I know that from Alan standpoint that when you're kind of under the gun You might not get all of the of your bullet points. That's like you almost like sometimes that Alan ran out of bullets but hey stop Re-reload your gun and and and empty the clip so to speak. I'm not trying to be mean but You've got passages to combat what was said and the fact that you invited him on You should have been thoroughly prepared as a matter of fact in your position You should be prepared on some of these topics no matter what you ought to be on an issue of tongues or salvation or trinity or anything like that You ought to be Anybody that's pastoring or teaching ought to have at their ready The ability to go over these passages and make a clear case for what sound doctrine is No excuse whatsoever again. I'm not I'm not bashing anybody At least not yet. I'm going to cover something that was just really disheartening and I think you all are going to see it And the person Marcus was begging for some some scriptures Against his point and they're readily there. It's not like this whole issue of praying in the spirit came up Well, how about reading in the spirit? How about that? How about taking the Bible that the Holy Spirit gave us and reading that and going through the scriptures to where there's no Know a reason no excuse a person give to say well, yeah, this is and that is right and so I Want to go over a couple of things. I happened to notice though that while I was up dealing with my grandson That I noticed other people were making videos like I said, which was fine As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure four or five ten fifteen twenty more videos are gonna come out And I think this needs to be addressed. There's no shortage of videos that can come out To straighten out sound doctor not about the issues as it pertains to Any personal feelings you don't have the Holy Spirit you're not saved you called me a hypocrite you're this you're that Leave that for the children But when adults come in and take the room, it should be apparent. Amen. And so I thought what was kind of interesting I saw someone I'm not really familiar with the guy. Apparently he's got a pretty decent following Alex out Pagani Pagani, I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right and He was kind of giving his take on it. That's okay. Let me read what he has to say He gave his take on it. Now. Here's a person who is a Pastor so let's just listen what he had to say and I'll kind of start off where I'm going People like myself and others. Well, I'm praying tongues. I'll I'm praying tongues frequently now obviously you guys know my take on tongues as a matter of fact, we're gonna have a Discussion amongst viewers some subscribers some non-subscribers who are going to want to just we're gonna have a little discussion Not a debate just asking questions and it'll be in a godly format with godly rhetoric exchange back and forth and so My you all know what where I stand I Don't believe what he's what he's saying is biblical about praying in tongues. But anyway, let's just listen You'll see what what issue I have with him Alan you did a phenomenal job of Exegeting oh man, I have to give it to you my brother. I Learned today listening to you Alan I have to give this to you you exegeted Romans 8 in such a profound way That I actually learned something now. I understood Dialect and I understood glossary a glossolalia. I understood those concepts But the fact that you was able to break down Romans 8 that it says the Holy Spirit speaks without words that can't be uttered. Oh That was revolutionary for me That Was so Revolutionary, you know, that was Revolutionary For me, so I want to cover That passage I also want to he talked about how Alan had blessed him now This is the thing that stuck out to me not that he you know, he gave credit to Alan giving a good Discussion and breaking down that particular past which he did I think Alan could have went further and I'm going to go further in Romans 8 and 26 But did you catch the thing that that stuck out to me? This is his title is apostle. He's a pastor and he calls himself apostle Here's my question How in the world does a person who is a pastor and apostle not have already understood Romans 8? 26 it should not have taken Alan par and his YouTube channel to straighten it now I don't I don't have a problem with someone learning on YouTube I mean, that's what the whole point of this channel is right but You should be at a position to where you are as a pastor as an apostle if you are sent because you're an apostle You're saying if you are sent by God or by Jesus. I'm not sure how you're what type of an apostle you're calling yourself But this is something you should know this isn't something that This isn't Sunday school stuff. You are the leader of a church And so that's where I always this is the issue I have with not that we have We don't have enough pastors. We don't have enough pastors We don't have enough sound pastors pastors would sound doctrine those who have spent time in the scriptures And I always say this you'll see why I say this in a second Why I believe I'm firm on this guys that if you are going to not just be a regular late person Not just be just a guy on YouTube just some somebody who's teaching your family But if you're gonna take the time Or commit to being a pastor teacher, that's what it's called a pastor teacher I still firmly am in the camp that you ought to have the languages not to be a scholar But at least some level of proficiency with this and I'm gonna get on Alan and just a little bit again I thought Alan did a wonderful job as far as he comported himself Because most people felt like, you know, he handled himself graciously and he was patient but Alan I know the seminary that you went to and The three years that you had in Greek should have taught you something should have led you past the arguments that that he was going over And so let's just hear Alan's Alan's rebuttal or Alan's response to Romans 8 26 Let's just read that for its plain sense meaning Who is the one that's doing the praying in this verse? Is it the believer or is it the Holy Spirit who is interceding to God on behalf of the believer? Let's not add any verses to it. Let's not add any words. Let's read it for its plain sense meaning It is the Holy Spirit Who is praying for us, right? And then we throw in in this word groanings Which nowhere in the rest of the New Testament is that word used for tongues There are two words used in the New Testament for tongues Glossalia from which we get our English word glossary and then Dialectos from which we get our English word dialects Those are the only two Greek words in the entire New Testament used for tongues This word groanings is not either one of those words So how do we now? Take a word that has not been used anywhere else in the New Testament to describe the gift of tongues and Automatically assume that this verse is talking about the gift of tongues when exegetically It cannot be proven and there's no I'm like I say no very very few Biblical scholars worth their salt would equate this verse you can look at any commentary and Most all of them will agree that this verse a is not speaking about tongues B It is not the believer who is uttering any sort of words because the text doesn't say that it says the Holy Spirit so what I want to go to obviously let's go to the text and see let's read for ourselves and The text I think Clearly clearly demonstrates that this cannot be tongues. So let's go there Romans 8 26 likewise the spirit helps us in our weakness for we do not know what we what what to pray for as we are But the spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words now as Alan rightly said It's not us that that is offering the groanings It's the spirit but just in case someone is debating that the spirit is maybe work working through us and causing us To have these groanings look the passage again This word this use here for groanings is the Greek word synogmois this word only means and literally means Inward sighing. It's not uttered. It's not verbalized And so if anyone were to ever use this passage to say that this is a defense of what they call tongues They do so in error The English is clear. These are groanings that cannot be uttered According to most you all's English passage. I'm not sure which version you all are using but still the point is still laid out They're not uttered the Greek again Stenogmois is inward sighing. And so this is not something that has heard outwardly. So to use that is just It's it's it's a basic mistake that nobody that's leading a congregation Which is what Marcus is is trying to do that shouldn't happen or anyone that's trying to make a defense of Tongues that shouldn't be used. I'm gonna talk to you later on why Even if you believe that tongues are still around how you can't even use 1st Corinthians 14 Well, what do you mean Corey? We'll get to that in a second But the thing that I thought should have come out because you've got Tens of thousands of people literally tens of thousands of people watching It may turn to hundreds of thousands with after everyone does their videos and we talk about it and and so forth and everyone gives that gives their take There was an opportunity that was missed now won't be missed here and I trust I hope I prayed that it won't get missed on other Channels as well. So What should have come out is one it should have been fleshed out. What are tongues to? Why do we have tongues? What's the purpose of it? So before I get into what our tongues since we know what tongues are that they are a spiritual gift You all pardon me if you've heard this before but there are some who haven't and so I'm gonna go over this again I'm gonna kind of keep it Quick because I want to get to the meat of this. I don't want this to be a two-hour Livestream so I want to first talk about what are the purposes of these tongues I'm gonna call it tongues for now, and then I'm gonna change the terminology later But recall Jesus is talking to his disciples in John. He is getting ready to depart He's preparing them obviously because that's his ministry that that's what that's what he here He's here to do obviously that to die on the cross and so forth But while he has his disciples he is going to train them to be ambassadors to go and do the same to carry out forth the same ministry The problem is they don't have what Jesus has right They're not equipped spiritually. So what's gonna happen when Jesus leaves the Holy Spirit is going to come So let's go to John 15 and let's find out. Let's see what Jesus says Relating to their ministry and oh by the way what the Holy Spirit is going to do Chapter 15 verse 26 he says but when the helper obviously the Holy Spirit comes whom I will send to you from the Father the spirit of truth Who proceeds from the father? He will bear witness about me and you also will bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning now You can also read in chapter 16 as well The ministry of the Holy Spirit is going to be this to verify this testify to Exor to uplift Christ. He is going to testify not of a generic God because if we say hey God loves you within Depends upon rich of which religion you're thinking about that doesn't tell you or now the new terminology is to be spiritual No, he's gonna testify about Christ because that's the key issue, isn't it? many religions Have different views about God and about being spiritual, but there's only one Christ And so he says that the Holy Spirit is going to testify of Christ Well in what way to testify about the gospel about what he's done remember and we won't go over but in Acts 1 What does Jesus say? He tells them before he before departs that you shall receive the Holy Spirit and when you receive the Spirit What will you do? You will be my Witnesses what did Jesus say the Holy Spirit is going to do to witness or to testify about him? And so you are going to be my witnesses and here's where it's important You are going to be my witness is where in Jerusalem and Judea That's all around the Jews, right? So whatever language we're speaking they speak the same thing So in Jerusalem and in Judea and then Samaria. Well, these are Samaritan cousins. We speak the same language fine But then we talked the next part to the uttermost parts of the world to the rest of the world Well problem we got a problem here What about people who don't speak the language that we speak? It'd be one thing if everyone spoke the same language. So Lord, we got a problem I don't know what you plan on happening and how far you mean and what you mean by the world Do you mean the world next door the world across the street? Maybe across this river? No, he means the world and the Holy Spirit is going to testify to him The only problem is there's a language barrier. Well, we'll fix that We will give you the Holy Spirit and you will speak in these different. Ah, here it is languages Let me say this. Let me be clear about this You cannot find an example of the word that's used for tongues To mean anything but two things two things in the Bible one the member in your mouth the tongue and Then also languages if you come up with this unknown angelic language I'm gonna ask you to prove that and If you try to and if you're too forceful or demonstrative then I'm gonna ask you to Apologize once you can't prove it because you can't there is no such thing as Languages being meant for an unknown language unless a person is doing it incorrectly, which is what happens in first Corinthians 12 and 14 We'll get to that in a second And so what do and how do I know it's a language because what do we see on the day of Pentecost these languages? so now I Want to kind of go over something because people talk about well, yeah, you have to People want to be spiritual People want to be more than what they really are listen. You are common pieces of dirt with some air Breathe in to you. That's it. You just dirt, right? I know that bothers some of you would bother me if I was in my flesh or or being prideful But I don't think more highly of myself Which thankfully God had had shown me that and that's a problem with a lot of people in ministry because you hear the Hey, man, brother, you really preach you start filling yourself and start smelling yourself You start thinking that you're more than what you are and then you start taking on these titles Bishop Overseer Apostle prophet. No, you're not you're Bob from Detroit. You're Frank from Arizona. That's who you are So trying to be something more than you are there in lies the problem Because these were servants of who of Christ where he is magnified not you and so on the day of Pentecost We see these languages being spoken now People want to be so spiritual that they see these terms such as praying in the spirit praying in the spirit. Okay, fine When does in the spirit? Why do we naturally think that or why do some of these people think that in the spirit means in tongues? Let me pull up something for you real quick I just want you all to see just the some some examples of where the term in the spirit is actually used and you tell me Does this mean tongues? I don't get how we normally or some people just normally Believe that this relates to tongues because if in the spirit means tongues will then when it says to walk in the spirit Are you walking in tongues? So and be renewed in the spirit of your minds that mean tongues Let's see How about Ephesians 6 this is where they get it from Ephesians 6 18 praying all the times in the spirit with all prayer Okay. Well, what about in Philippians 2 1? So if there is any encouragement in Christ any comfort from love any participation in the spirit is that in in the in the Holy Spirit I mean in the in tongues Galatians says to walk in the spirit. Does that mean we ought to walk in tongues? No, it just simply means guys it simply means in with With the authority with the leading of the Holy Spirit That's it. Nothing magical or super spiritual or spooky about it. It just means what it means It's when people who don't study the scriptures take it to mean something and I'll prove that Somebody isn't studying because of what what's being said here. And so on the day of Pentecost What do we see these people praying? I mean speaking these languages and for some reason some people take that as to Praying in the spirit or speaking in the spirit. Well I'll cover that a little bit more, but I want to cover someone else who also Did a review of this matter of fact. This person's probably the most At least responsible initially getting these folks together And then he's gonna bring up someone else who also Talks about this this speaking in tongues up and that is Ruslan I think this is a conversation that needed to happen overall like this was a conversation that was good Some of y'all are so so passive aggressive y'all keyboard warriors and then when cast is ready to talk face-to-face and hash it out Oh wait wait do we have to be so divided? Hey sometimes folks got to talk it out Sometimes brothers got to hash it out. Sometimes we got to get to the bottom of it We got to get clarity clarity will bring confidence. Now. Let me pause and say this for a second Ruslan if you're listening You're saying this This is just between you and I forget the other folks that are watching this between you and I Block me so you and I can have this conversation. It's been Few months and you said you're gonna do that over something silly and so That being said, let me go ahead and move on if if dialogue is good, you know where these brothers are at It's Dr. Michael Brown. I've had him on my channel before some of you guys haven't seen this I encourage you to revisit this conversation. Here's his answer on if praying in tongues is The same as praying in the spirit. This is with someone who knows the original Jewish language She went to I believe NYU. He holds an upper doctorate degree. He is a one of the few charismatic scholars I know and this is what his position was I want to just to run his back real quick to you guys so that there's there's no confusion On what what the scholars view on that passage that if these pass about praying in the spirit are about praying in tongues Or praying in tongues and praying in the spirit are two different things It's someone that you know, you have studied their original language as you could speak in it Where where do you follow that is is the praying in tongues praying in someone who doesn't have to get the tongues praying the spirit And how does that work together? Yeah, it's both and Ephesians 6 pray in the spirit with all kinds of requests. Well, he's telling us to pray with our understanding there So if you can't pray in the spirit while you pray in your native language, well, then are you praying in the flesh? You're what is that? So of course we can pray in the spirit in our native language So we're praying with the cooperation of the spirit the anointing of the spirit the leading of the spirit Yeah, but certainly since Paul talks about praying with my spirit and we're praying by the spirit to God Obviously speaking in tongues is one of the most wonderful ways to pray in the spirit So you have Ephesians 6 praying in the spirit with all kinds of prayers request You have you have Jude that you mentioned build yourself up in the most holy faith praying in the spirit And then you have Romans 8 that the spirit intercedes for us with groans that can't be uttered So that to me is is travail when you're so deeply gripped that all you can do is literally grown and sob Which those of you guys that aren't tongue-speaking This should encourage you was in that posture. It happened for me It hasn't happened for other people but what I am getting from you though is in all of these things There are no JV Christians there. So The end part is also interesting is that you are trying to comfort us Who don't normally speak in tongues? Wait a minute. No, it's the other way around We ought to be comforting you who spend time speaking tongues to get you to understand What the Bible is saying and so yeah, I listen there are a lot of good things that that dr. Brown says and And he is he is he's a good scholar when it comes to Hebrew Greek I don't know as a matter of fact I will I'm going to put my Greek up against his Greek any day of the week Hebrew I'll bow down to him without question. But when it comes to Greek, let's see as a matter of fact I've got a few other Greek scholars behind me that will back this up. So this issue of matter of fact Let's just go to Jude 20 to Jude and let's see How do you get tongues? out of this and That's the problem when you want to find something when you're looking for something you'll find it if you listen if you think Your mother's cooking is the best cooking in the world and that's all you've ever had When you go to someplace else, this is horrible now Everyone else might think that this person is beating your mother But but this is who I prefer and I've got a vested interest in Making a defense that this is the best Similarly with these spiritual gifts if I have this vested interest in proving my point because who doesn't want to be right We all want to be right. No one wants to be wrong Nobody but to what degree to what links will you go to avoid being wrong or not? I wouldn't say being wrong because if you're wrong, you're wrong period Whether you think so or not, but what link would you go to avoid being viewed as wrong? So let's go to Jude 20 I don't know why I have this as words up go to verse Jude and put you guys on screen with me and I Believe it's 20 that I'm looking for But you beloved building yourself up in the most holy faith and praying in this the Holy Spirit again I'm wanting someone to tell me. Why do we have why do we take this as a cue to interpret praying in the spirit as praying in tongues? praying in these languages What do we already establish the purpose of these languages are? For preaching the gospel For building up the church Paul is going to bring this out a few times And so if the purpose is clear that these spiritual gifts are to build up the the body Then why would you say pray? Assumably to yourself in the in these languages in these tongues because here's what you won't find You won't find an example of spiritual gifts being used for yourself. You'll find them being used for someone else Well, someone's gonna always say well, what about prayer? Well, where's the spiritual gift of prayer at? It's not right now. Is it the spiritual act sure sure it is, but it's not a known spiritual gift Is it spiritual? Give you that no problem But Paul is going to tell us that the purpose of these gifts are for the edification of the body Remember that when you guys want to tell me that tongues are to edify yourself. We're gonna look at that in just a second, but This does in no way tells me unless I already think this that it was that that that's what it means or someone has told me that Because guys remember this This is not an issue that we had about a hundred and thirty hundred and forty years ago This issue of tongues just popped back up right and so After Parham and and and his group started talking about this at the turn of the century that the turn of the 20th century the 1900s That's when this showed up and even he even disagreed with his fellow cohorts later on how they tried to use tongues because he himself thought It was a language themselves and that they had the gift They believe that initially they have the gift to speak these different languages to people for the purpose of the gospel and When they were found out that they could not speak these languages because they went to someone who did speak their language Try to speak to them and they were found out to be a fraud because people said I don't know what these people are saying and So it's amazing how nowadays this is brought up as something that has always been around well What happened for the last 1900 years where what did God just withhold the spirit? I'll leave that alone But oh by the way, you got certain denominations that were brought about as a result of that through this Azul Street revival and so forth That would not have been there if had this not been the case. I'll leave that alone for for another time but so this issue of praying in the spirits is is Dicey at best again One of the things that you noticed and I give him credit for showing up I do I give him credit for showing up and talking to to an Allen par I doubt that he would have showed up and talked to Marcus speaking would have talked to an Allen par if Allen par instead of having 800,000 subscribers would have had 800 subscribers. I doubt that I doubt now I Did see again. I said this before that he tried to Messenger me. I missed it try to go back and it was gone. So Messenger me again, I would love to have this conversation somebody send this to him somebody who knows him Send this to him send it to Ruslan to have Ruslan send it to him I want to speak with him didn't have to be on camera at all But I want him to see exactly what the scriptures say now that being said I Think his biggest issue is It's a head issue. It may not be a hard issue. Maybe his heart maybe his heart is in the right place But what puzzles me about him and it's funny that use the word puzzle because he said that the Bible is a puzzle but What's kind of puzzling about him that kind of makes me kind of conflicted as as to whether his heart is an issue or not Some things that kind of seem about Seem to be bringing about his pride. He seems to be very Unteachable not willing to listen and so you go pick scriptures from here here here here and here and try to make them meet What you say or say what you want to want to mean? so He makes a statement and he he says it to Alan He goes onto another channel last night that I saw and that kind of what was the channel that kind of pushed me over And having a discussion and so I want to bring this out Nobody ever really answers me on this and Alan pardon either so when I brought up mark 16 his his answer was That's not supposed to be in the Bible like mark 16 with these sides So follow them that believe if it said these sides shall follow That believe mark 16 was not in original transcripts Although there's like that believe right and and it says one of them is they'll speak in tongues and then acts 10 acts 2 Everybody did it every instance in the Bible where somebody was receiving the holy spirit We all spoke in tongues But there's no way exegetically that we can we can say mark 16 Every believer will experience a without experience in ABC D&E. There's no way exegetically. There's no commentary You can look at there's no Bible scholar every but I'm saying every example that we have in the now Let me just pause there for a second We'll we'll pick this back up and then go look at the scriptures but what he is saying to him and You know what I'll let you do this I'll let you guys go to it because I don't want I want I don't want to break this but When he what he's explaining to to Alan I mean to Marcus is that when you read mark 16 the latter portions. There's some issues that need to be addressed and His point was you don't have to take my word for I'm thinking this is a point But just look at any Bible you're gonna see some sort of notation that states that the Lord the last Versus 9 through 20 Aren't believed to be that they keep him there and here's our biggest reason just out of tradition because what's gonna happen If you take that out of how the Bible is you're gonna have a revolt because people just don't pay attention What are you doing? What's wrong with this Bible? But his point? Assuming that these verses belong is That you cannot pick and choose that these signs shall follow ABC D&E and you're only picking a To say that this is how you know someone to save a warrant. What about BC D&E? You're not Marcus. You're not laying hands on people. What's going on? You're not casting out demons and you can say you cast out demons, but Can we get somebody to come and verify that the demon was cast out? Can we get someone that was in the hospital on a ventilator and you laid hands on them or someone? We had cancer. Can we get some some proof because in the Bible? We had proof of when people had there when people laid hands on and that the sick recovered We have that kind of proof not just someone saying so as a matter of fact We had proof from the people who weren't even believers Who verify that these things happen? So? That's one issue, but then going to this issue here. I Just wish Alan would have kind of jumped on him here. I will everybody received it. Everybody spoke in tongues Backed up again, but every but I'm saying every example that we have in the Bible everybody received it. Everybody spoke in tongues Mm-hmm X10 X 19 acts to everybody that was in the upper room spoken tongues Everybody that Peter preached to in and spoken tongues everybody that Paul prayed for acts 19 They spoke in tongues and it says that it says they all receive they get You can go through the book of Acts and you can see there's several Instances in the book of Acts where people got saved and they didn't speak in tongues And that's what I'm saying. It says that they joined the church Act too as they joined the church and Paul says hey, it's cool You believe you the church but have you received the Holy Ghost you say you like to go by what the Bible says What does it say? It says that same day they were added unto them who the disciples they were added to the church It doesn't say they were added, but they were baptized, you know But you don't baptize people without them being saved right the baptism that's not always follows Always look what it says in verse 38 repent and then what be baptized. So you don't baptize people What before they get saved? so Marcus's issue you heard him say that People There's no examples of people all throughout the Bible all throughout scriptures that when a people when a person becomes saved They speak in tongues now. Let's go to the passage that he brings up often and let's just see because sometimes Rather than just stopping to where you think your point was proven. Let's just read a little further So in Acts 2 I don't know why went to 28 and I'm still in Jude and Acts 2 let's go to 38 and let's read and Peter said to them repent and be baptized Every one of you in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sin And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and let's pause it for a second for some you haven't heard me Said this before There's this thing in Greek called the ep exegetical chi And so sometimes you'll say two or three or multiple things to make the same case And so what's happening here? He's not offering three different things that have to happen that you have to repent one two be baptized three And you receive to get the Holy Spirit the Greek construction is clear that he's talking about one thing That's occurring and as is occurring The forgiveness of sin will happen as you receive the Holy as you receive the Holy the Holy Spirit And so it's not three separate things happening. It's one and it's all related So let's get back to that then he says in verse 39 for the promise is for you and for your children And for all who are far off Everyone whom the Lord God whom our Lord God calls himself and with many other words He bore witness and continue to exhort them saying save yourselves from this crooked generation So those listen to those who receive were baptized and they were added By the day about three thousand souls now Marcus's point was They were added to the church or added disciples, but they weren't added to the body They weren't actual believers because if he if he agrees that they were added to believers Well, this doesn't say anything about them speaking in tongues And so that would get rid of his argument about someone speaking in tongues every time They got saved and they and they received the Holy Spirit, right? So let's just see again I said, let's just read a little bit further and see These people and they devoted themselves to the Apostles teaching and the fellowship Well, who devoted themselves the Apostles? No, the people devoted themselves To the Apostles teaching and the fellowship to the breaking of bread and prayers and all came upon every soul and man Wonders and many wonders and signs were being done through the Apostles and all who believe were together and had all things in common These are all who believed and they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributed them The proceeds to all as had need and day by day attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes They received their food with glad and generous hearts praising God and having favor with all people here it is and the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved so Question were these people being added to the church some generic church To the disciples or were they added to the actual body of Christ they these people that were saved So Marcus's point that these weren't necessarily people that were saved just read a little bit further Marcus Just and I wish Alan would have pushed further. There it is It's the actual passage that you're reading is literally right there So does does Marcus have any more points when he says that no one has No one else had Or that anyone who became a believer or see the Holy Spirit became a part of the bite of Christ they all spoke in tongues Well, let's put some more passages up here and let's see because I'm thinking about the Proc matter of fact Let's go to it. I don't want you to take my words. What about the Procounsel in verse 13 every chapter 13 Let's go there. I think here's an example of someone who became a believer and did not Speak in tongues this court of the Bible then the Procounsel believed when he saw What had occurred for he was astonished at the teaching of the Lord? He didn't speak in tongues. What about 13? 48 of acts these people clearly spoke in time. I mean believed Did they speak in tongues if they did the Bible made a big omission and when verse 38 I mean 48 and when the Gentiles heard this they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord And as many as were appointed to eternal life believed does it say they spoke in tongues? No, it doesn't there's one example How about if we go to acts 16? 1615 starting off with this one This is see if you all remember this this character from the Bible Speaking about Lydia and her household Verse 15 and after she was baptized and her household as well She urged us saying if you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord come to my house and stay And she prevailed on us. Does she speak in tongues? No, she doesn't all right. What about 33? There can't be any more examples of someone else getting saved to come to believe or not speak in tongue. What about the Jailer? 33 chapter 16 and he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds And he was baptized at once he and all his family then he brought them to the house and set foot before him and He rejoicing along with his entire household that he had believed in God. So To make the statement that there are no examples of people in the Bible becoming become a believer's and not speaking in tongues Marcus just read the Bible Just read don't dig into your position read the Bible again, I am I appreciated the way that Alan handled himself but it's right there and You should have been prepared knowing this is going to happen. I get you had your clips ready That was fine But the scriptures needed to be ready because we missed an awesome opportunity to show people This is really what's what's happening. You do not have to speak in tongues I know some folks say that you do. I mean that you don't there are some folks in the Pentecostal cares medicamp that don't say that everyone needs to speak in tongues, but It seems like more and more they are becoming more and more in the minority, right? And so we've got these scriptures these passages that were given to us by who? By me. No, uh by Alan by Marcus. No by God through the Holy Spirit so There was one thing that Marcus said then I'm gonna go ahead and cover Some more aspects of this speaking in tongues Alan said something that just floored me And when I say floored I was I was wow, I was off Let me play this and let me see if you have the same reaction Because this is a misunderstanding The original gift of tongues, which is crystal clear in the book of acts chapter two Is that there were a group of people who were speaking Uh, they were speaking and There are other people on the other side who were hearing The gospel being preached in their own language, right? But it never says in the text that those who were speaking in tongues were speaking a known language It doesn't say that right it doesn't say that at all. It says Alyssa's read it it says in verse five Now there were staying in Jerusalem God fearing Jews from every nation under heaven When they heard this sound a crowd came together and bewilderment because each one heard Their own language being spoken, right? And and and so it doesn't say that the people speaking in tongues were speaking in a known language It says that they were speaking and the people were hearing whatever they were saying In their own language. So whatever they were saying Wasn't a known language think about it because if if it were Then people wouldn't have said they're drunk. They would have said oh, he's speaking Spanish He's speaking French. He's speaking English. He's speaking Russian, right? Whatever they were saying Was some spirit-filled language That was enough to make the people around them say these people are drunk Now this is the part that I was in the middle of matter of fact. I think I was good. I was getting ready for a live While this was playing and I heard this But to the people that needed to hear the gospel that was the supernatural gift Of the gift of tongues, which was wow, I can say mama say mama sama makusa Uh, uh, I don't know. I can say something like that, which is not any language at all But somebody over in Spain heard that in Spanish and they said wow Jesus loves me and he died on the cross for my sins Once again, it doesn't say that they were speaking in any known languages. It just says that so If you know the lord and if you read your bible When he said and I'm quoting him quoting Michael Jackson Mama say mama sama makusa Whatever they said the people would hear this in their language So what do we do to figure this out? How about we go back to the text? Oh, by the way, let me say this before we go there Alan par went to one of the best seminaries on the planet. I think it is In terms of what they offer and what they demand of you now I don't care where you go. What seminary you go to who you train under who leads you It is your heart, right? It's your heart that's going to determine what you do with the tools you've been given So now so don't blame the seminary just like don't blame Jesus when Judas went off It wasn't Jesus. It was Judas's heart. So in this in this case Alan goes to Dallas Theological Seminary They require you if he got if he had a master's in theology you are required to have three years of greek So just go through the passage and look at this stuff. It's not that it shouldn't be that difficult So let's look at it and let's just see in english as well as greek if this makes sense if what he's saying is right or wrong When the day of pentecost verse one chapter two arrived They were all together in one place and suddenly there came a sound from heaven a sound like a mighty wind And filled the entire house where they were sitting And divided tongues as a fire appeared on them and rested on each one of them Here he goes And they were filled with the holy spirit and began to Speak in another way to say that can't be the other tongues other Tongues as the spirit gave utterance the greek word that's used here guys For other is the word is the word header ice which is where we get the word hetero Which means what other and then tongues which is which is the word glow size. It is the plural Okay The reason why i'm saying i'm bringing out the the header ice and glow size and making sure you know that Glow size is the plural because whenever the bible talks about glow size Especially in this context of this particular spiritual gift It's speaking all ways of languages. Why would it use? Why would you use the plural glow size? Well, here's why because how many languages are there? It's a plurality. It's not just english not just french There's all these different types of languages. Oh, by the way, paul is going to bring this out in first Corinthians 14 And so you have hetero eye hetero ey glas glow guy I can't speak glow size and so it's clear But even in the english does does not your english bible say in other tongues, which should be other languages by the way guys Again, initially when it's translated The word tongue for most folks would have been understood as a language every tribe and tongue They knew that it meant language. However today It's become distorted and so it's best if whenever you see tongues in this in this context You think language always Okay, we'll get to that even more so and so now let's go back to the passages that marcus. I mean that alan was talking about Now there were dwelling in verse five In jerusalem jews devout men from every nation under heaven and at this sound the multitude came together And they were bewildered. Well, hold on. Wait a second. Wait a second What was the sound they came to? They came to them hearing them say something These other languages back to it again He said and at this sound the multitude came and he said because each one was hearing them speak In his own language Didn't say that they was hearing them in his own language. He was hearing what they were hearing what they were hearing them Speak in their own languages and they were amazed and astonished saying are not all these who are speaking Who are speaking galalans? How is that we hear each of us in his own native language? Parthians and meeds and alamite. Now, this is the reason why he brings this out because these are different Um dialects and different languages also Okay, so now look what he says in verse Uh 12 he says and all were amazed right down in verse 12 and all were amazed and perplexed saying to one another What does this mean? now here is where alan Makes a mistake and here is where Marcus is confused. I'm gonna give Marcus a benefit of doubt and just say he's just confused on this verse 13 But others Mocking said they are filled with new wine. Okay, wait a minute You mean to tell me you've got these mockers That jesus even said we're gonna happen Because they were mocking because they were making fun you take that to mean that these people were actually saying something That sounded like gibberish. No, they were there to do their job to mock They were making now obviously they didn't know and guess what they had no best interest in knowing what was going on These were mockers. They were mocking. They were making fun And so you can't take that to say well, listen Who would say that they didn't know that these people were drunk what mockers would people who are making fun of folks When you make fun of somebody you're gonna exaggerate some things, right? So you can't take that to mean that they were hearing some of the sound but it clearly says That the that the apostles were speaking This shouldn't even be debatable. This shouldn't even this should not have come out of alan parsmouth. Listen I am one. I think that alan could could Alan is is more congenial He's more cordial than some are than some even that some would like I don't have a problem with that. Don't have a problem with that at all Alan has spent time. He has built up His channel and his ministry don't have a problem with that praise god a man You've got 800,000 subscribers But I think there's a responsibility that comes with that and if you're going to teach He as he said in the very beginning of his broadcast that there comes a stricter judgment for those who want to be teacher No one made you a teacher you signed up on your own and so there comes a stricter judgment Alan you should have been more prepared and you should never had to let this come out of your mouth that confused A lot of people for you to say that there is no such thing. Let me say this clearly There is no such thing as the gift of hearing There is none so to say that they heard that was the gift They could have been saying anything else, but they heard them that is not biblically sound And as he was telling other scholars, you won't find a scholar worth his weight and salt that would state that It's clear in the greek and even more so clear in the english now. Let's get to the point the the bigger point Pass them because now we got the opportunity to talk about What languages are again? It's languages Words have meaning you cannot just change the words Meaning to fit you because you think it ought to mean this Right. These are languages the examples here given through scriptures and even when paul Quotes the Old Testament He's quoting them talking about people with these different languages. So Let's go ahead and go to First Corinthians because I know folks are saying well, what about this and what about that What paul says in Corinthians Let's start off in first Corinthians 12 Matter of fact, I want to cover this real quick before we go there The writer paul is writing to the church of Corinth for a couple of reasons now. This is not paul's first letter to them He's written them before and he's kind of rehashing some things that they have also written back to him The whole point of paul's letter Is to make sure that there'd be some sort of unity amongst the body there We know that because he literally says so he talks about that I don't want there to be any divisions among you in this report So and that I'm not of paul. I'm not of paulus or sepas. And so he's talking about unity. He's talking about unity As a body. He's talking about unity even when it comes to marriage Now though in chapter 12, he says now concerning spiritual gifts now the word that's used here is Numitikon, which is and there's only one time in the bible where the Where the um, the joining of spiritual and gifts are there. It's actually not even right beside each other But spiritual things is the issue now concerning spiritual things. But if you translated as spiritual gifts, that's fine Also, it means the same thing. So he says now concerning spiritual gifts, brother I don't want you to be uninformed. Some of your versions may say ignorant Why would you say that? Well, because Somebody some bodies some people some persons y'all how we say down in south y'all doing some things ignorantly Concerning spiritual things or spiritual gifts are with me. That's the point of this Discourse right here. He says you know that when you were pagans or unbelievers You were led astray to mute idols. However, you were led now. Let's pause right there for a second The reason why paul brings up why you were pagans What do these New converts know about pagan society Well, the first people to ever be heard speaking in the this gibberish ecstatic kind of unknown language Or these pagan folks these folks that had all these other different views These spiritual religious views you would hear them making these chance that no one understood And so in their mind they're thinking well that must what that must be what we ought to do We know they're speaking some gibberish because paul is getting ready to admonish him from saying some things That you don't even know what you're what you're talking about. Let's go back to the passage He says And again, that's why he brings the pagans Therefore, I want you to know I want you to understand that no one speaking in the spirit of god ever says Jesus is a cursed and no one can ever say jesus is lord except in the holy spirit Well, why am I camping on that? Why am I bringing that up? Because You all are supposed to be believers And so no one in the spirit could ever say could ever say that jesus is a curse Well, why would you say that paul who's saying that you are you all are saying things you have no idea what you're saying That's why it sounds like you're saying I should have run in a honda because you're saying things And now somebody might hear you because you may unbeknownst yourself say something Stupid in this case you're saying people are literally saying jesus is a curse I don't think everyone was but somebody was this is why paul brought it up Just like you can't be in the spirit and say that it's the same spirit that Causes you to say that jesus is lord. Are you all with me? Let's go back to the passage I want you to read a very very important passage now There are varieties of gifts, but the same spirit And there are varieties of service, but the same lord there are varieties of activities But it is the same god who empowers him all in everyone Okay, verse seven vitally important To each is given the manifestation of the spirit for the common good Some of your verses may say for the good of all The purpose of spiritual gifts are for the benefit of all for others not you for others We don't have to worry about you taking care of yourself. You're gonna do that That's our problem. Anyway, we focus on ourselves So god didn't have to say hey y'all remember to take care of yourself remember to pray for yourself Remember to bless yourself remember to feed yourself. No, you don't have to tell you that you're gonna do that The problem is you focus on you too much You make it all about you and what was happening was there became this ranking this Prioritization of gifts that they thought which was better For example, they thought that tongues were better They thought that maybe prophesying was better like today because what are some of the most abused misused misunderstood gifts tongues and Prophecy because anybody can get away with it If you think it's just this ecstatic language that no one knows then anyone can say it and how Who am I to say that that wasn't of god? Well, the bible number one But then two people will say that the lord told me to tell you that this is going to happen So I prophesy and then five years from now. I find that way saying that prophecy was off But I don't know where you stay. I don't I'm not going to confront you Right because we have a lot of that this this abusing of these spiritual gifts when you do so You are saying that you are speaking from for god And you are making god out to be a liar You're gonna you will pay for that How you're gonna pay? I don't know. But do you think that god is going to deal lightly with you? Playing around with him approaching him Misrepresenting him He is not and so before you think that you have been chosen to speak in these Tongues as you call them. You better make sure that it's that's legitimate You better make sure that you are not making god to look foolish Because he does not tolerate his name being tarnished. I'm a witness of that guys You know my story. Some of you God is not to be mocked Right, so let's go ahead and continue. I want you to see some other parts of this Because people are prioritizing certain gifts They're thinking that one gift is above the other and so paul goes on to tell them Listen, some of you guys might have this keeper that give it doesn't mean that that you are second rate That you are lesser or anything like that I can't say matter of fact, let's keep reading for to one is giving the spirit of other I'm sorry. Let's back up to yeah verse eight for to one is given through the spirit the utterance of wisdom How come no one tries to abuse that one? To another the utterance of knowledge according to the same spirit To another by the same spirit To another gifts of healing by the one spirit to another the workings of miracle No one ever is trying to abuse that one either To another prophecy to another the ability distinguished between spirits to another various kinds of tongues or languages notices using various of some of the different types of Languages to another the interpretation of these languages. We'll talk about this interpretation as well All these are empowered by the one and same spirit who apportions each one individually now Here's an important part chapter 12 verse 12 For just as the body is one and has many members all the members of the body through many are one body So it is with Christ for in one spirit. We were all baptized into one body Jews or Greeks slaves are free now Let me stop there for a second because this is important When you start talking and you do so ignorantly of the scripture when you say that there has to be this second baptism Oh of the Holy Spirit Paul just said that every single believer has been baptized into that one spirit Every believer so if you have been a believer for a year Because I've heard people say that hey, I got I got saved in 1997 But I got baptized in 2003. No, you didn't one of these things aren't aren't correct You get baptized when you get saved in the spirit And oh by the way, who baptized you in the spirit according to John according to Jesus Jesus is the one that baptizes us into the Holy Spirit Everybody in Christ has been baptized in that's why Paul says everyone So whether you've been a believer for one day for one minute for one week one year One decade every believer has been baptized into the body Into the spirit everyone. There's no getting around that. All right, so let's go. Let's let's keep going So For the body does not consist of verse 14 one member But many if the foot should say because I am not a hand I do not belong to the body that would make it an easy I'm sorry and would that make it any less part of the body And if the ear should say because I'm not an eye I do not belong in the body that would make Uh it would that make it any less part of the body the point that he's raising here is that Because you don't have a particular gifting That maybe others desire or that you want this that doesn't make you you less So like when I said that when ruse line made the statement. Hey, do you guys don't speak in tongues? It's okay. Well, wait a second. You're not patronizing me and tell me it's okay because I don't speak in tongues First of all if if this was um legitimate in you because I don't do anything And so you you kind of come out of in a in a degrading patronizing fashion But since people think that certain gifts are better than the others What are they going to want to do? They're going to want to desire and want and crave those particular gifts because who in in in the body doesn't want to be As spiritually strong as possible. Who doesn't want that? Who doesn't want power in the spirit? We all do what we all want to be Strong in the Lord all of us now The greatest way to show that you're strong in the Lord and strong in the spirit is by Doing what Jesus said the Holy Spirit is going to cause you to do the Holy Spirit wants you to witness and testify And so do not ever come and say that you are strong in the spirit and you're not sharing the gospel Don't do that. Don't matter of fact just be quiet Don't act like hey i'm a lion with no teeth You are that means you are a feckless uh christian or or you are disobedient One of the two Now if the Holy Spirit wants to speak about christ and you're not doing it Then what's happening there? I'll leave that alone. Let's let's go back to this now Going back to the passages I'm going to skip over the rest of chapter 12 and go into Verse, um, oh, you know what? No, let's drop it down. Let's drop it. I can't skip over. I cannot skip over verse 27 Now you are the body of christ and individually members of it and god has appointed in the church first apostles second prophets Now this is chronologically third teachers then miracles then gifts of healing helping helping administrating and various kinds of languages Are all apostles or all prophets or all teachers do all work miracles? Here it is do all possess gifts of healing do all speak with tongues Do all interpret but earnestly desire higher gifts and I will show you more excellent wait now Wait a second wait a second wait a second You just said and we all had heard it said that we shouldn't desire or look for gifts It's the Holy Spirit that gives us these gifts, right? Well, why would you say? um earnestly desire the higher gifts We'll see what he's talking about remember that when we get to chapter 14 And so he says I will show you a more excellent way now This is where people think that there are these angelic languages Here's how we know it's not off the same pattern not even having to look at any greaker or going back and look at some sort of Um, uh lexicon. No, he says this Paul says if I speak in the tongues of men and of angels But I have not love I am a noisy gong or a clanging symbol and so some would take that to mean that there must be We know that there are tongues or languages of man. So there must be a language or tongue of angels What paul is saying is Paul is talking hypothetically How do I know he's type speaking hypothetically? First of all, have you ever heard an angel speaking a language at the man that he's speaking to? Don't understand No They always speak to the person in their language. Are you with me now? How do I know that he's speaking hypothetically? Well, let's go to the next passage If I have all prophetic powers and understand all mysteries and all knowledge and if I have all faith So as to remove mountains by do not have love. I am nothing now. That's all we need to read If we say that paul could um speak in the language of angels Well, then we also must say it's necessarily means that he also has all prophetic powers Understands all mysteries have and has all knowledge and can remove mountains Does paul have any of those no paul does not have all prophetic powers. He doesn't have all Knowledge understanding of mysteries and all knowledge. He doesn't have all faith. He has never removed a mountain So his point is even if you were to have these things that don't exist But you don't have love Then there's a problem. Well, why is paul talking about love? Why is chapter 13 in between 12 and 14 not because it just runs chronologically? But why is he talking about love in this chapter? It goes back to chapter 12 verse 7 where he says these spiritual things are for the benefit of others The whole purpose of us preaching the gospel is for the benefit of others If it weren't god would just simply take you out of this world. You're no longer of any use That's why Jesus says you are salt you're light And if you don't do those things if salt loses saltiness If you're not seasoned people he says you are worthless and should be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men You're no good. So if you're not spreading the gospel get lost kick rocks Ask god to set you on the side. So real believers Show enough believers folks who are empowered will actually will act. Okay. We got somebody here. So so, uh, actually Gotta ban somebody trying to sell some currency So that you are real believers can actually get out there and share the gospel Now I'm going to say this on next week guys because people are having this issue about, um, professing christians and possessing christians those who are possessors and professors Okay, and what's happening is the professors are making the possessors look bad because the possessors are not stepping up Let me say this clear to everyone Now do I agree with tongues? No, I do not. Do I think if you speak in tongues not a christian? I believe you are I know people remember I told you I came out of the church of god and christ This is the church of god and christ So we believe in the church of god and christ tongue talking foot talking church of god and christ All of these signs and so forth That's what we used to believe that's what I started off as I said I started reading the scriptures and it bothered me because I didn't want to leave what I believed to something else But I've got to let the scriptures carry me. It can't be me. It's what god says, right? So I'm never going to say that a person who is charismatic pentecostal who's baptist whose method is Episcopalian Is not a believer. Don't do that. Don't ever do that, right? By the way, they're going to say the same thing about you. So That's not our job The issue is if you Have faith in christ if you have placed trust in christ's work on the cross The bible says you are saved Not the coaching church, not the assembly of god, not the national not the baptist general commission of texas Not the national baptist, um associate not God has said so so let me just state that up front. So if we disagree we still disagree as brothers at the dinner table We can all disagree about what you like best The chicken the ham the mashed potatoes mashed the whatever greens We're still family And so we'll govern ourselves accordingly, but we can still be stern. So now that being said The reason why chapter 13 the love chapter is there because we ought to do everything in love for who the benefit of others What did jesus say when i asked the two greatest commandments one love god? What's the next one? Love your brother like you love yourself. Did he have did he say love yourself? No, why because he knows We demonstrate Our problem is we love ourselves a little too much But love your brother like you love yourself And so that's why that's there So if you got any spiritual gifting and you do if you got any spiritual gifting love should govern it should push out to other people Are you with me guys? so now In 13 at the very end of 13. I got to cover this part Now this might surprise some folks might take on this. Where'd I go to? Oh The very end we talk about these gifts that may have ceased or not, right? So chapter 13 verse 8 Let's pull this up Love never ends as for prophecy. They will pass away as for languages Remember when you see the tones we're going to say languages as for languages They will cease as for knowledge It will pass away for we know in part and we prophesy in part But when the perfect comes the partial will pass away now the issue is going to be really One what is the perfect that we're talking about but We don't have to even worry about the perfect Because you cannot say that languages is what the word means and then have a problem with saying that languages will cease One day they will cease when don't know And we're talking about languages if the word and it doesn't mean languages Like spanish french german these languages because again, there's no example in the bible where this word doesn't mean Anything but these languages They have been abused and we'll see paula dressed this In chapter 14 in just a second and so I'm of this this belief When it comes to this whole argument of continuation or cessation I'll say this I'm going to put a pause on it an asterisk I'll say I don't know I kind of believe they have but I'm open because paul says do not forbid the speaking in tongues Speaking these languages. Here's why If a person does speaking these languages and they do it biblically, well, then fine. You did it biblically. I can't if a person actually I go to some some country and there are people in on this planet who have not been touched by regular civilization We've left them alone and they've got their own language and I go over there some kind of way And I start speaking or not me someone else joe blow goes over and starts speaking in some sort of their language their native language And they hear them. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I'm saying if Then I can't come back and say that wouldn't that wouldn't hold the spirit like that wouldn't give if it actually Occurred just the way it said well then hey now I've never seen it happen that way. And so there's my skepticism I've never seen this happen I've heard folks get up and speak in these tongues and then somebody say what the lord said was this Well, no, wait a second. Wait a second. I know eat kind of a host out around a lot of hope That's not a language Any linguists would take that's the and so they're with language. There's rules to languages, right? Remember that what I just said with languages. There are rules You know who's getting ready to tell us that paul is getting ready to tell us that with languages there's rules and understanding so Language the word low side low size is the word for languages, right? Now, um, so let's move on to chapter 14 I'm going to move quickly in 14 because there's a lot to cover And this is where I think that the pastors who Don't know Greek or Hebrew ought to at least familiarize yourself because I'm going to show you exactly What paul says in the Greek and there's no way of getting around this about what tongues are for what these languages are for It's going to back up what I said earlier. Okay, so Let's go there And let me do something real quick so he says pursue love and earnestly desire The spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy wait. Oh wait. Wait a second. We got to stop waiting. Why would you say? desire earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially the prophets to prophesy But we shouldn't be desiring and looking for those gifts because The holy spirit is going to give it to us, right? According to his will. So what is this? Well, here's what he means The word that's usually let me go back to The bible and let's look up the greek. You all know me. I'm gonna pull up some greek whenever I can He says doctetain agape which is desire love But he says desire the numitica The spiritual things or we would translate a spiritual gift and look at this phrase right here Malon de hyena. Malon de hyena de profituate What this literally means guys? He says desire spiritual gifts. This malon de hyena de profituate means in order that you preach Okay Prophecy has two constructs One is foretelling when it's fourth and all it really means is just to to give a revelation of god Now one can be hey, the lord is going to bring a famine in a year or uh, this is going to happen That's the foretelling but in the fourth telling the most common the one that we all ought to be engaged in Is just revealing what the word says. This is the fourth telling because he's telling us This is in accordance with what jesus has said. This is the building up of the body. So He says malon de hyena de profituate. So I want you to desire The spiritual gifts in order that you preach Okay, now let's see if this makes even more sense by going to the more of the passages Verse two he says for no one speaks in a tone Uh speak I'm sorry for one who speaks in a tone Speaks not to men but to god for no one understands him, but he utters mystery on the other hand Uh, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation Now I want to stop there for a second because you're going to hear people that are going to say Well, the reason why I speak in the purpose of tongues is to edify yourself Well, wait a second paul you just said us told us in chapter 12 verse 7 and it's going to say it again That these gifts are to edify the body so you can't turn around and say no no no no no no no the gifts are to edify me paul I know you said the gifts are to edify the body, but this gift is going to edify me Find that in scripture aside from this we're debating this passage So find that anywhere else where gifts are are being used to edify yourself So now let's get back to the passage. I want to point something out to you I'm going to show you in english and I'm going to show you in greek So for no one speaks in a tongue Speaks not to men, but to God. So this is where folks who speak in tongues say I'm speaking to God It's a language to God for no one understands him But he utters mystery in the spirit on the other hand the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement verse 4 The one who speaks in a tongue some of you verse may say an unknown tongue There's a reason why it's been translated in some versions as unknown tongue builds up himself edifies himself But the one who prophesies builds up the church now. I want to park there for just a quick second Uh, let me grab somebody mr. K. I don't know if you're married or not or scott I think you I think you might have a um, I think in your icon you have you have a lady with you Or one of the other guys, uh, chris chris, you're young. You're like you're like your student You just got out of high school chris. So Let's say chris. I say to you, uh, I got a young lady. I want to introduce you to And chris said okay, man. Tell me about her Man chris. She's godly. She loves the lord. She comes from a good godly family. As a matter of fact, they're wealthy too She, um, she's a hard worker. She loves the lord. She's good at she takes care of the home Um, just a sweet person chris is like, yeah but Does chris want to hear about the but after that now chris is afraid Why because but in any language greek, hebrew, english They are all the words of what not there are words of contrast. Okay um I would say and if i'm going to add to it But if i'm going to oppose that or contradict it, i'm going to say but So what does he use the word but for going back to the past? He says the one who speaks in a tone edifies himself or builds up himself, but The one who prophesies this is the preaching not the lord is going to do this in five days This is the preaching that person builds up the church. Well Does it make sense that if i'm preaching that builds up the church? Well, sure That's what that's what preachers ask a pastor. That's what he preaches for to build up the church Where there's topical where there's overpassage the purpose of building of preaching is to build up the body I want to edify the body But the flip side is to build up yourself. Well, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Well, let's keep reading First five now I want all you to speak in languages But even more to prophesy the one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongue unless someone interprets So that why so the church may be built up so the point whether you are if you are speaking in these languages or prophesying You are building up the body now. I want to point something out to you Now oh by the way the interpretation comes so that now everyone knows what you just said not just the person you said it to Okay, so the whole body is still built up now I want to point something out to you guys Let's go back to verse not certain verse two This word right here tongue In the Greek this word tongue is also lo say These are both singular Okay, that's important. I mentioned earlier why he said the plural of these tongues these languages This is a singular tongue This is why your versions might say an unknown tongue Let's go down to verse four for the one who speaks in a singular. It's also again. Glow say singular tongue Builds up himself Right now. What does he say in verse five? I want I wish that you always speak in Is this singular or plural? This is plural So paul is noticing a difference between the singular what you would call the unknown tongue the the ecstatic tongue Versus the plural tongue. Why do we say plural tongue? Because In the world we've got English Spanish French German. We've got multiple languages So you have to if you're speaking about actual languages You are talking about real languages because it's it's a multiplicity of them. There's more than just one So you would have to use if you're talking about languages the plural if you're speaking about this unknown ecstatic What I call babbling it it has to be in the singular God or paul in this case Categorizes this as one one language one tongue, right? So now let's go back to it Paul says I want you all to speak in languages, but even more so to prophesy now Again, I told you chapter. I mean chapter. I mean verse one Let's talk about Verse five He says I I wish phthalo Uh, they pontize whom I switch is I wish but I wish that all of you la lane Glow size. It's a plural Here's that phrase again. Malone de henna de prof tuete So I wish that you would all speak in these language in order that you prophesy in order that you preach Are you seeing this tonight? They're gonna deny it because they've already dug in in their position but Explain how I'm saying this the wrong way This passage says what it says the greek is clear the reason why I want you speaking these languages Is in order that you preach preach what preach the gospel? What did jesus say the purpose of the holy spirit coming upon you is going to do is to preach me What did he tell the disciples the apostles in acts one to go and preach the gospel, right? So let's go back to it. Now paul is is actually Throwing some jabs and some insults here. Let's see if we can pick up these insults Uh, let's see now brothers if I come to you speaking in Languages now this is actual languages How will I benefit you unless I bring to you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? If even lifeless instruments such as the flute or the harp do not give distinct notes How will anyone know what is played and if the bugle gives an indistinct or an unknown sound Who will get ready for the battle? Just like if someone starts playing happy birthday to you you all want to look around and say Whose birthday is it without a word being spoken as long as you hear the music same thing here He says verse nine so with yourselves If with your tone now, this is the member of the actual part of your body You utter excuse me You utter speech that is not intelligible or unknown. How will anyone know what it's said? But what he says for you will be speaking into the air Let me pause it for a second. I need to pause it for a second one just to get some water So let me ask a question guys If we're having a conversation me you and some other people And You start talking and one of the people asked me. What is he saying? I say only god knows. He's just speaking in the air Would you take that as a compliment? No It's one of those idioms of the day In that culture where that's a put down. He's telling them he's telling them to um This person no one knows what he's saying He's just speaking in the air only god knows Which now we also use that that phrase as well only god knows who knows only god knows, right? So let's keep going They are now look what he says In contrast that there are doubtless many different languages in the world and none is without meaning Remember I said that every language has a meaning. There's there's some grammar. There's structure to it So it is with languages I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker of foreign I'm sorry, but if I do not know the meaning of the language If I do not know the meaning of the language I will be a foreigner or a barbarian to the to the speaker and the speaker is a foreigner to me So with your sales look what he says since you are eager for the manifestation of the spirit Strive to excel in the building of the church. Did you hear what I just read? If since you are so eager in being spiritual strive to excel in the building of the body Strive to excel in edifying the body. No strive to excel in edifying or building up the church Why you would turn around and take that that I ought to build up myself I don't get that because now if I'm wrong find me the pastor tells me I ought to build up myself Now I'm not talking about encouraging yourself. I'm talking about edifying yourself building yourself up so Look what he says verse 13. Let's keep going. We're almost through Therefore one who speaks in a Tongue should pray that he that he may interpret for if I pray in a tongue my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. There it goes in the spirit again and so It can't be that he means in tongues because is he's also saying let's also sing in the singing tongues No, he's not right Now I know nowadays more and more folks are trying to sing in tongues Again trying to be more spiritual than you really are Six six sing otherwise If you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of the outsider say amen to your thanksgiving? When he does not know what you are saying for you may be giving thanks well enough But the other person is not being built up again. It's important. That's why he brings it out The other person is not being built up. Does God want you to build up the other person? Sure. That's why he keeps bringing it up. The other person needs to be built up. Let's go back to the passage again We're almost through I thank God that I speak in language in languages more than all of you. Let me pause there for a second He's we know he's referring to Languages the the plural the known languages spanish, french, german, what have you or in this case greek, hebru, latin When someone says and I wanted to bring this up when When Marcus was saying that there are no examples of people in the bible who got saved and did not speak in tongues My question is this what about paul? Where does paul ever in the bible speak in these these what does it say he spoke in these languages other than here We know he's talking about languages, but what does he speak in this? ecstatic so-called spiritual language where That's not what he's saying here. So where? Remember paul is writing this letter the entire letter of first carinthians is a letter of rebuke You guys doing some bad things uh at the church and I gotta get on you one You got this guy sleeping with his with his father's wife. We need to get rid of that. I don't know what what what that's about You guys are divided. I'm of paul. I'm a paul. I'm a i'm a baptist. I'm a methodist. I'm i'm armenian I'm calvin. I'm okay. Wait a second paul says stop it Stop it people ask old cori. What are you? Are you calvinist? Are you armenian? Are you dispensational and I say I am bible? Because the moment I tell you that I'm if I'm not calvinist, but if I say I am calvinist Now you're gonna judge me by not by what I say, but by what every other calvinist that you've ever heard speak You're gonna judge me by that if I say I'm armenian you're gonna judge me by that if I say I'm I'm charismatic I'm church a guy in christ. You're gonna judge me by every choke coaching person on the planet But if I give you the passages all you can do is go by that That's all you can do which is why oftentimes many people when they when they call me out And I'm seeing some of the folks in the comments making statements when I ask you to step up and call me out and say it And and be honest what tends to happen guys you all know you've been on the on these live stream before they tend to vanish I'm not I'm not running from it. I want you to correct me if I'm wrong I'm gonna do the same for you I'm gonna try to do it in a loving fashion the times that I've had people on here and we've had discussions I wasn't belligerent and so I want to be that way with you now if you to the point where you just Name calling and this and that or whatever this guy's a fake this guy's that whatever nobody let's do okay fine Man go to another passage. I mean go to go to another channel That's cool. So Von says I'm a Calvinism I'm not a Calvinist guys I'm not against Calvinism either because there's some things that we have in common So by the way, whether you're Calvinist or not Whether you are many whether you think and please don't ever say that Calvinism Is a heresy from hell Let me say this in Jesus name shut up Right just shut up and I know that's rude to say but shut up just like if someone says that Armenianism is a is a heresy from hell You too shut up You got more in common than you than you don't That is if you believe that Jesus Christ is your lord that he died on the cross for you Then guess what you are your brothers. You just argue about how you got there Right that and so we can have these kind of discussions But not if we're gonna just tear down folks say you ain't even to believe it. Why am I talking to you? Right so enough of that So let's go back to the scriptures Nevertheless in church I would rather Speak five words in my mind in order to instruct others the intent that now here's what people say They say that what paul is doing here. He's talking about us gathering in church. No, he's not Talking about our sunday morning church assembly. That's not what he's talking about at all Okay, here's why no because There wouldn't be an issue that paul would have to bring up if you all were speaking in tongues by yourself and no one knew it When you come together, let's go back to the passage. Let's see if i'm if i'm correct When you come together In the eclesia in the gathering that's what the word means We have commonly ascribed this to mean church and associated to mean the kind of church we get up At whatever time on sunday morning go to no he's speaking about when I when I gather I would rather speak five words with understanding with my mind In order to instruct others now. Does it also mean church? Sure But is it only contemplating at church? So you mean tell me that he's not also the system governing us when let's say it's three of us just hanging out at mcdonald's Or wendy's or my spot white castle. You hanging they don't have white castle in texas. We need to fix that But anyway, does that mean if we're hanging out that we can't But that doesn't govern us so I can go ahead and start speaking in in these unknown languages Right. No, I'm still governed by this. So Let's move forward Brothers I do not want you to be children in your thinking but be infants in your But or I'm sorry be infants and evil, but in your thinking be mature In the law it is written by people of strange Tongues and by lips of foreigners. I will speak to these people and even then they will not listen now We're not going to go and dissect what this passage is talking about But clearly clearly this passage in the Hebrew bears bears it out that he's speaking about an actual language Right. So these people are these strange not strange tongues that I don't know What in the world are you talking about? No these strange languages these other languages? Okay going back to the passage thus Um, thus Languages are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers while prophecy or preaching is a sign not for unbelievers But for believers So I'm going to pull off there and drop down a little bit more and then go and then cover some more things He says what then brothers When you come together each one of you has a hymn a lesson a revelation a tongue or interpretation that all things be done building up now I can't get into it in terms of how the greek sets this out or how the scholars set this out and even then I'm kind of I see it but What he's saying is Like this How come every time we come together you always got to work from the lord? How come every time you wake up the lord told you something? How come every time we come in turns you always got a tongue? Why is that? Now he's asking it in a kind of sarcastic fashion and so Let everything be done for the building up And so matter of fact, let's pull it out because I didn't think I didn't flesh it out right there He says so let all things Be done why for the building up so now at least four times in this discussion I've shown you in passages in the scriptures that we ought to be building up Others not yourself. Where is paul talking about us building up ourselves with these gifts? He's not stop it If you're going to use something and say the bible told you you got to show the bible Where shows what the bible says so there is no example where he's saying that that we are to be building up ourselves Because again, it's going to happen. You're going to feed yourself. You're going to pray for yourself You're going to bathe hope you're going to bathe yourself You can do all these things you're going to have care and concern for yourself and your family But his point is do it for the others and the gospel you're a believer So What's the holy spirit warning more believers? How's it going to use it do it using us to preach the gospel? That's why I want you to paul says to Use this gift in order to preach the gospel It goes right in line with what jesus told the apostles and what happened on the day of pentecost It was these languages stop saying there are two types of languages or tongues in the bible Where do you get that from? I know you got it from some preachers some books somebody out there Who says so the bible doesn't The word is still the same word the low size the plural form always relates to languages always okay, so Now let me get this other part And he says If anyone speaks in a tone let there be two or three And each in turn and let someone interpret But if there is no one to interpret let each one of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to god Now let me drop down Because this is the part that I want to get to For you can all prophesy one by one you you can so that all may learn and all be encouraged Verse 32 and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets for god is not a god of confusion but peace um Let's see where's the pastor looking for Oh, here it is. I'm sorry verse 39. So my brothers earnestly desire to prophesy To preach right And do not forbid speaking in languages But all things should be done decently and in order so Guys this that's the pastor's why I why I say i'm not going to turn around and say I forbid speaking in these languages. I'm against it because There was not a timestamp put on this I get why people say that these gifts have ceased primarily because for for a couple reasons one after this passage Tongues don't come up again Also, if you notice when people Legitimately spoken languages and weren't rebuked for it and and and the and the bible Praises and recognizes this it's always done at the hand of an apostle every time there is never Bobby and joe sitting around and they start speaking languages in the bible. You don't have that There's always an apostle present Again, the reason why we have these languages and I probably should have carried this out earlier God did not want a divided church He did not want there to be the jewish church the samaritan church and the gentile church Which was going to happen. You think america or the world has some racism Well, no back then they did Jews didn't like samaritans. Samaritan like jews. Jews didn't like anybody Gentiles look down on the jews certainly rome did so what is god going to do? This is why he says To the jew first then to the gentile and he gives a chronology of it. Why because what happens is this The spirit is poured out on who who did god say is going to be the foundation of the church those apostles By the way, if you tell me that there are 120 people in upper room Uh, i'm going to come find you and we'll spank your hand. There were not 120 people in the upper room in chapter one of acts There were 120 disciples And then it goes to a different day on that day They were gathering up around then it says that there were 120 disciples all in total We know on the day of pentecost that they were only 12 because it says that when it happened Peter stood up amongst the other 11 so So he does just what he says is going to do He's going to build his church on this rock on this on this foundation Of the gospel and start with the apostles These jewish apostles what happens with these jewish apostles They then bring it to these other jews starting with the jews so the first people to receive the holy spirit Were these jews these jews that were there in the city and in those who came from other places And the church was added to those jews right? How does the how do the apostles know that these jews received it? Well, um, some of them began to hear the languages were preaching So we know that the jews heard these languages Then to the samaritans The samaritans needed to come to christ. They did the problem was and again acts is Descriptive not prescriptive what happens is that The the samaritan cousins their samaritans. They don't receive the holy spirit yet Philip goes down there and they don't receive the holy spirit. Well, why not? Well, the church then sends Peter and john down there. These are two pillars of the church. These are two foundational apostles They go down there What happens they lay hands on these people and they receive the holy spirit and we believe that tongues are there because the The other sorcerer simon sees it and like man, I want to buy this so now No one can come back and say that these Samaritans don't have what we have they're not saved like us. Why can't they say that because Who is giving validity to what happened? Peter and john who gave validity validity to the church in jerusalem to say that they were saved Peter and john and the rest and the rest of the apostle, right? So now we've got the jews having it now. We've got the samaritans having it then the gentiles get it I won't go over the pastor. I'll let you look it up when it goes to nicodemus. I mean, nicodemus, uh, cronelius and they Received the holy spirit and speaking these languages under whose hands apostles And what happened was the jews are sitting around and they marvel like wait, wait, wait, wait, okay I get the jews have spoken in these languages and I get the samaritans. Oh, those are cousins But these gentiles the ones that we call dogs before these gent They're speak they're marveling at the fact that the spirit has been poured out on them as well Which is why joel said that in these last days He'll he'll pour out his spirit not on all not every single person But on each type of person on each the word pine or pine ties or pos In greek means each all or every in this case. It means each type of so So now what cannot happen is that the tendency to want to be prejudicial or racist or kind of Tribal that can't happen. We cannot say it's just us. Yeah, they believe but we have the holy spirit Because we've seen every different people group getting the holy spirit That's why you saw that happening on the apostles Which is probably why if if the sensations have an argument is for that reason There's no more need for it because the sign that was required Remember this is also as a as a sign to who to the jews The jews need to see that the spirit was poured out on not just him because the jews always felt like that It was us and god Right in hard times. Well, at least we got god one now. Guess what so to the samaritans So to the to the gentiles and when jesus is meeting with the samaritan woman. He tells her what's going to happen About this water or the spirit coming upon men and they will never thirst That's why he said I must need the king james version. I must need go to samaria Why because I got I got to give a message and these folks are going to start believing Right, so he drops a little bit of a trinket with him and so it's easy for them to come So now guys, here's the point If ever we are going to say that uh, what tongues are you must have to start with just these two things two things One the purpose of them which is to spread the gospel To the second purpose is or the second thing you have to know is what tongues actually are right Tongues are a language. You cannot turn around and say that these Tongues are some unknown some Babbling or this or that or whatever which means you also cannot turn around and start saying that I'm praying in tongues by myself. Well, wait a second for what? That's the that's the question. Why are you praying by yourself? Does God not hear you? Sure, he does. Matter of fact, if you don't verbalize anything, he still hears you Is God impressed with the fact that you spoke in this Unknown language? No, he's not Can the devil interrupt it? No, he cannot there's nothing that you can say think or do that can that will escape God God will get in and there's nothing that the devil can do to stop you getting from what God has coming to you Okay, so what's the purpose of it? The purpose again is to spread the gospel to people who do not understand the language that you speak And so that you can give a gospel to them. The only way to do so is with languages Remember God said in the uh, the tarot babel Before the tarot babel to to the man to mankind to be fruitful and multiply what they do they did they they were fruitful Uh, but they didn't multiply they stayed in that one little area And so uh, that being said They did not move. So what does God do to get them to multiply? It's amazing how God is going to get you to do what he wants you to do You can I'm your daddy. I remember my daddy would tell me that he said I'm and he wasn't the most cultured or whatever But but and he says some choice for it. We said I'm his your daddy You're gonna do what you're gonna learn boy. And so what God does? How does he get to the move? I'm gonna confound your language Now you can't talk to others now you got these folks who speak this language over here over there over there over there over there now What happens? How does he bring it all back full circle? That's kind of cool. We think about it He brings it all back full circle by giving this gift of these languages to go and spread the gospel So now I've got these people over in this corner of the world This corner of the world this corner of the world this corner of the world and because they are now um speaking I mean because because now I have the ability to give them the gospel So now what do I have in this corner of the world that whereas previously? I had a bunch of non-believers in this that that that in that corner of the world now I've got believers who've heard the gospel Do is there a place on the planet where we don't have the gospel preach? Nope, even in china even even even in north korea Dangerously so even in afghanistan even yemen all you folks that are so spirit-filled And you've got the power of the lord um You benny hens of the world and you just did the planets and everyone else like that Please get on the bus your private jet. I'm sorry use your private jet Fly over to afghanistan fly over to yemen fly over to indonesia And spread the gospel of jesus And I want you to wear those same suits that you wear And I want you to have all the gold the rings and talk about how the lord is as talking to you and how Jesse the planets how you have been comforting the lord the lord was feeling bad and you put your arm around him and comfort him I want you to do that See how it goes I don't I what's bothersome was bothersome is that we talk about this so-called power But we don't exercise it true power is in the lives of folks who's had their lives transformed by the gospel Not whether you made more money or not doesn't matter. That's why I say guys. I don't have a problem In the short term about us disagreeing on doctrine. I really don't I think doctrine is important I think it's not we're not saved by what we know. We're saved by who we know But we get closer to who we know by what we know, right? So doctrine is important But let's say we never come to this agreement on tongues Let's say we never come to the agreement on one saved always saved By the way, if you say that someone who believes in once they've always saved Is a devil again in Jesus name. Like I said before shut up If you believe a person says that they can lose their salvation that they're of a devil shut up People Don't learn as quickly as you By the way, you didn't learn the first time or as quickly as you ought to so that being said that being said Offer them some grace Show them Plannacy or maybe you're the one watering Ultimately guys going to get the increase and so I don't I don't get too bent out of shape if a person doesn't receive what I'm saying I don't get bent out of shape if a person doesn't hear the gospel or receive the gospel and come to Because it's not my job That's the work of the spirit, right? And so I'm never ever ever ever ever going to be bothered by Someone disagreeing with me that just means I got more work to do I've got explaining in a better way, right? So here's what I'm going to do guys. I'm going to cut this off After the outro question answers I made matter of fact if anybody I may even offer If anybody wants to come on we can we can dialogue and talk if you disagree We'll probably do that. Amen. So I will see you guys in about 13 seconds