 Hey guys, you are tuned into listening to the movies here on one one point seven CIVL radio reporting to you from the University of The Fraser Valley apps for campus serving Abbots for admission channel act and surrounding areas and we're reporting from the university's Building on the unceded and traditional territory of the Stolo people I am your host Jeremy and I actually got a different show for you guys today This one's gonna be more of a vocal more of a verbal Episode, but the content we're gonna be talking about is pretty cool And I have a guest. I have two guests in a row. This is kind of crazy with the Christmas episode of being previous I have my special effects work co-worker Adam in here and Adam is a very big daredevil fan and I'm really happy to have you on the show, sir Hoping that we're gonna have a good time. We're gonna talk a lot about this the show the comics and We talk about this all the time it works So it's awesome that we get to talk about it here for a show. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm pretty pumped. Yeah So obviously a lot of you guys know that the show just got canceled unfortunately But it's not and it wasn't an unseen thing, right? Yeah, I saw it coming. Yeah a couple miles away there Well when iron fist got canceled I was at first was almost like yeah Garbage yeah, right Luke Cage is like that's when Luke Cage got yeah canceled two weeks later It was like, okay. I'm sweating now. Yeah. Well, I was I pretty much had already made Made my bed. I was like I knew this was gonna happen. This is obviously because of everything to do with the whole Disney streaming service the Disney plus Which you know what it's gonna kill it's gonna do really well I'm personally really excited for all they have to do is be like, hey You know all those animated movies you like as a kid You can watch them all on this and they've already suckered in like a billion people right there I'm already paying for it and it's not even No, so this is unfortunately left us in a bit of a moral conundrum not moral, but just like a content conundrum because While Netflix has canceled the show Disney or anyone cannot do anything with Daredevil not even just Daredevil with Jessica Jones the whole defenders group They can't be touched until 2020 It was probably just like the villains to like Kingpin would be like the number one guy on my list like hey like at least At least cut him out of the pack right like give him a spider-man like let him be like the opening villain of a spider-man Oh, exactly. I would be sold on that right. I think now though. They've realized I wonder if Kevin figgy's realized this too Kevin fig Main Marvel Kevin dude Kevin. Yeah, it was just Kevin Call him Kevin. I think Kevin is I think he's realized that he needs to keep those two entities separate because The TV shows are really grounded. I feel that they're very realistic in terms of shield is realistic Oh, no, no, I'm not talking about you. Sorry agents of shield. I do not like that show I think that it shows stupid but the Marvel the Netflix Marvel's like they had so many Good creative heads behind it, especially for Daredevil. They had Drew Goddard Jeff love. I know you you have some problems with Jeff Lowe now But I happy that he is there because you know, they actually have an actual comic guy Doing a show about a comic character instead of just studio heads just taking it and running with it And then they also have Steven Knight. Mm-hmm Steven Knight is a fantastic. He's a good time Peaky blinders is an amazing television show. He's a fantastic film writer and director So there's all these creative heads behind it and this universe that they put Daredevil in and Jessica Jones technically It would be so Jarring to see Daredevil be in the Avengers universe Oh for sure for sure But they just fought a giant purple alien dude I think who could take a building like a giant spaceship falling on him What daredevil gonna do throw his baton at him Sneak up on over something like that. Yeah, no, it's like I think with Daredevil It's like you couldn't throw him in it like an Avengers movie, but like you could throw him in like like a You know like if they say the Punisher wasn't a TV show, you know, you could have daredevil in a Punisher movie Oh, yeah, and they're like, you know, it'd have to be like a more street-level hero Who's getting his own movie like Shang-Chi for instance like they got him getting his own film pretty soon. Oh, they do Yeah, yeah, they're it was like the recently they they're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna make an an Oriental superhero and like they're looking for Asian directors, which I think it's like I don't know like grab RZA like If you're gonna make a Marvel Marvel movie John Woo, bro Yeah, no for John Woo just like doves. It's just like when Robert Downey Jr. just appears on the screen Oh No, um, yeah, no if they're gonna go with that kind of route for sure and Especially with seeing how much dedication there was in terms of shooting these fight scenes in Daredevil Luke Cage it's just Luke Cage punching people really hard or throwing people really hard through walls and iron fist I heard that the first season was terrible because Danny What's his name the actor didn't actually know how to fight really well. Yeah, like they constantly had stunt doubles Like I said that admittedly I'd never watched our infest or finished the first season of Luke Cage or Jessica Jones Or the defenders like I was strictly there for Daredevil Like Daredevil was like I remember like when I was a kid like I saw Daredevil in the theater And like I was like Ben Affleck's or something like that like my babysitter took me for that. You remember this guy Oh, that's my guy right there. Where is he? Give him a second chance He doesn't want to be Batman anymore He doesn't want to do is he's just like I'm done. I'm done with super here Well, actually, I don't even know because Henry Cabello is not Superman anymore apparently, but is he like I don't know He did that really weird Instagram I don't get I think the actors are literally us in terms of they have absolutely Yeah, like like Jake Gyllenhaal like he was still saying in the press while he was filming But he's I'm not in the spider-man movie It's like dude you like you're in you're in Europe and like they're shoot like you're in the same country I'm not we're kind of spider-man. It's not happy. I don't I think well. What do you do, right? I if that's in his contract that he can't say it, right? I think he's I don't look at Tom Holland, man I don't care about it. Well, what's it? They said there's that rumor there's that clause that if he does say anything he's in trouble And then the Russo brothers fired Mark Ruffalo on Twitter So like Mark you're fired But just going back to the fight scenes in the first season was the end of the second episode Where's there's that really long take down that hallway the continuous? It was the first season that was the hallway and season two was a staircase case, right? The third one is the prison that unbelievable that was very well done I'll admit that was very well done and and that's something that I've always I appreciated that in Daredevil More than anything else when it started like that first fight scene on the docks where he throws his baton off the wall The off of the container and it hits one of the guys in the head is what what did he just do and then? Just was seeing the fight scenes like these guys know what they're doing That was a thing like it was almost like a gradual thing when it came to the violence in Daredevil It was like, okay, we're gonna work you up and now you have bullseye throwing staplers and yeah church banisters over your boys Yeah, like and that was something to that I was really impressed with the season three is how well they introduce bullseye as a threat in the in call In Ben Affleck's version Colin Farrell just was hysterical. He was Just having a time of his life. Yeah, like he was probably was on cocaine the whole time during that movie, but in The on the TV show they made him a character that you've felt sympathy for almost And you like and you almost felt bad for sympathizing with him, but you're like at the same time like yeah, it's a fictional Yeah, show right, but like same time. It's like I don't know he Was the actress name that played Dex I can't remember He apparently do you even said that he he randomly appears in Season two. Yeah, he's like a cop in season two or something like that And no one even knew he was there. Yeah. Oh, I should have probed But he was really good and then again the fight scenes like in the fight scene that no one seems to be talking about as much That I thought was really exceptional was the fight scene in The office. Oh, yeah, he takes on the Daredevil outfit for the first time and He beats the crap out of Matt Murdock. Oh, yeah beats him Wilson Beth Wilson Bethel Bethel. Yeah, who's an inherent vice and he was in Generation Kill. I don't know that Yeah Back to the the original fight like what I really liked about that was like as an audience member You're like you're kind of studying bullseyes, you know his technique along with Matt, right? You're like, okay Well at a certain point, you know, you realize along with Matt that I cannot do anything to this guy at a distance I need to get in there even they pull that they really Visually display that and then the camera movements, too Oh, yeah, there's that weird like super shift still super shift still like they're moving with the fight scene in between the cubicles and They did are exceptionally well. I think they They the third season in my opinion is the best one of all three. Oh, yeah hands down Like I don't know like a lot of people are trying to say like the first season was the best I'm like, no, he didn't have a costume shut up. It's actually the most best. No, it wasn't it like it was good But it wasn't two different things. It's two different entities once trying to be a Punisher show while being well Well, that's it was a Punisher show basically for the first four episodes and then he's gone Yeah, he basically takes a backseat and then all of a sudden there's Electra and Ninjas Yeah, and no heartbeats Electra is like one of my favorite aspects of Daredevil Lake when it comes to Miller Like that was one of his best creations like and was that from born again or was that from man with no fear? Man without fear is just an origin story Right, so it's cuz like the original origin story from at Murdoch is very like it's cookie cutter and very basic Right Miller was just like, okay. Well, let's take it and change things Right include stick and yeah. Yeah, he he created stick but he created stick for born again Before he wrote man without fear now without fear, but he showed the origin of the whole relationship there And I liked stick actually stick was great. Scott Glenn is like really good He's one of the best old guys out there. You know what I mean like in Did you see Castle Rock this year? I haven't seen that yet. Okay. He plays Pangborn who was in like a Bunch of Stephen King books. He was and oh, what was the one needful things? That's a really good book like Ed Harris actually Played Pangborn in the movie that was made in the 90s about it. Oh, but yeah, no It's like they got Scott Glenn to do this character. That's been in a tonus King work, right? And like dude, it's like it was like in my opinion one of the best first seasons that I've seen since like true detective Or like Fargo or something. Yeah, no for sure Yeah, Scott Glenn definitely had a presence that he like you said he varied that origin kind of cookie cutter Sort of story for Matt cuz I always was of the opinion like just put the friend the Ben athlete once was wait So he's blind so that means he just got really good at fighting. Yeah, right like cuz like in the original thing It was like he didn't blind himself till like he was almost out of college. Oh Really? Yeah, like in like he was like this star athlete got A's in every class, you know that Right, yeah, and then it's like him and foggy one night. I can't remember was before after he got blinded I think was before but he went out or and then he saw his dad fight I don't know. I think it was after the after that But he watched his dad fight and like his dad decided not to throw the fight, right? Just like it's supposed to go but he was like 19 when that happened and then he goes blind after his dad dies and all this other stuff Okay, I'm gonna be daredevil Right and like that was the original. No, I like the idea of the kid taking like the blind kid taking care That his dad. Yeah, being able to that's how we learned how to heal like to To fix up wounds and stuff. Yeah, for sure, right? Like I don't know like I think that's definitely like one of the Blessings that Frank Miller gave us like before everything. Yeah before he went But no, it's definitely set the bar in terms of Television show. I don't know honestly. I don't know how agents of shield is still on TV I think it's because Josh Whedon has it. It's like hey, he's an executive on that, isn't he? I don't know, but I just find that I Whatever happens on that show, I know that nothing will matter really because it's a television show that I Don't need to watch you can't expect the masses to watch that No, so it's cool that they will tie in with the movies like apparently where after winter soldier when winter soldier aired The day or so I came out Agents of shield was that weekend. Yeah So the episode that premiered was one that was in tandem with the whole finding out that shield was actually Hydra and everything Yeah, like I I watched the first season and a half or two seasons of agents of shield And that's what I really liked about it Like it was the episode after Dark World came out and they were in London Like scavenging all the pieces and all like the destruction left by That terrible movie would been Mackles Mads Mickelson, but he dropped out. Oh, man I just wish Mads got a better roll out there. Oh, that was Christopher Eccleston. You mean Yeah, but he was he was supposed to do that role originally. Oh, well, yeah, but like even then like I really like him But everyone hates him for some reason and I didn't get it like he was okay in that he wasn't great But he was the hell of a lot better than Christopher Eccleston Christopher Eccleston hates that movie I bet he says that he that was apparently during his dark age of Heavy prosthetics. No, he he got blacklisted from Filming stuff in the UK for a while. What is it? Yeah, it's something to do with how that's why he was only the doctor for one season Apparently he pissed off. Oh, yeah He was the first doctor and he said that right that was the lowest point in his career because he went over and he did the GI Joe movies and then he did The Thor dark role and that was the first time he'd filmed anything in London since that I think things have mellowed over now. Yeah, but he says that's a dark like the GI Joe movies and He was He turned his skin turned a metal at the end the metal he was the arms dealer guy I thought that was Joseph Gordon Levitt. No, Joseph Gordon Levitt was Cobra commander. Yeah, he turns in a coat like weird. Oh, yeah, the metal headed guy, right, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I remember him from the cartoons Yeah, yeah, but Kind of shifting gears back here to the Daredevil thing of something that I can definitely test to is The morals of the Daredevil character and they really laid that out really well with Charlie Cox is acting Like Charlie Cox killed it apparently though because he was Daredevil. He lost out on being solo. Oh Apparently I haven't heard that before that's that was that's something I found out like but at the end of the day I really like Alden Aaron right and I think he did an amazing job as a young Han Solo call it a bad opinion Whatever a lot of people might call it, but like I believed him as a 21 year old Han Solo You know what I mean like have you seen solo? No, I still haven't watched it yet. Watch it man. I got it on Lurella in it to you Oh, no, actually, no go buy it support that. No, I don't want to support it. I don't want to support it. Get over yourself No, man. It was a good movie. I want to see a sequel. Oh, well, you're not getting it Okay, well, this is a conversation between Charlie Cox or Matt Murdock when he's black ninja or ninja devil like This costume even have but they call him the devil that See, this is the costume that he wore a man without fear. Oh, really? Yeah, okay I've wondered if this actually was a relevant to a comic it is relevant But it was just like well, I just hated the fact that he went back to it in season three I get why but I didn't like it I I know for fight season for fights why but we're gonna listen to this clip here I'm gonna take a little break and then we'll come back. We're talking more about Daredevil the television show me and Adam here on Listening to the movies on one of 1.7 civil radio This is way past what I signed up for what exactly do you think that was I Found a man who needed help. So I helped him. Oh, yeah, that's simple Do you really want to get into this in front of him? He's out Maybe he's faking He's not okay that right there That's what I'm talking about. Okay. I find a guy in a dumpster Who turns out to be some kind of blind vigilance you can do all this really weird shit like smell cologne through walls and sense Whether someone's unconscious or faking it stop on top of that He can take an unbelievable amount of punishment without one damn complaint Last parts of Catholicism. So what I'm supposed to take it on faith. I'm on the right side of this You don't carry a masked man bleeding to death into your apartment on faith He knew which side you're on the moment you found me Hey guys, you tune into listening to the movies here on one of 1.7 CIVL radio I'm your host Jeremy and we are talking about The Netflix Marvel Daredevil television show I've got my special effects co-worker and buddy Adam here and we've just been talking about things we liked about the show aspects that were sad to see go because the show has been canceled and Kind of the retrospective in terms of how it related to the comics whether well or badly But so far from what Adam's been saying that the show was pretty spot-on with comics And speaking of which you wanted to talk about the Karen Page character. Yeah With Karen see like I was a fan of Karen Prior and whatnot, but like they did some dark stuff with Karen in the comics like some dirtyly dark stuff Like she her and Matt break up at one point. She moves to LA becomes a porn star What starts doing heroin and she trades Daredevil's identity for hit a heroin and then it goes to king fin That's how king fin finds out about who Daredevil is in the original born-again story And was that was that to that continue over you think into Michael Bendis's storyline? Because that's pretty probably yeah because she came back at the end of born-again and they kind of got back together He like helps her go through heroin withdrawals and whatnot when she gets back And what that's really it gets really dark with Karen I'm glad they didn't go that dark with her Miller's got a history of kind of not having the best Reputation with female characters in cities of pretty pretty well. Yeah, I'm sorry for that, but yeah Karen like in the show was great and see with I'm gonna stray a little bit here But with stranger things I remember they had the one episode in the most recent season where it was all about 11 Yeah, right and that's kind of what I could compare this Karen episode to this season of Daredevil Yeah, and you like when leading up to the church Exactly right except I really liked the Karen episode and I didn't like the 11 episode at all No, actually that was something I've made a comment to with about a bunch of friends who like season 2 was good It's like yeah except everything with 11 about her backstory is completely pointless. Yeah, what do you mean? It's filler. That's how they had to get the episode number Yeah, it was they just talked about stuff that didn't matter, but the Karen episode I always wondered why her father had such disdain for her Hinted at this dark past. Yeah Who who is the one who she was framed for murdering? Was it her boyfriend? It was her boss her boss Yeah, she's just gotten a job or something like that with the guy and he was dead Yeah, and then she called her dad I think in the first season didn't she I think she did it again in the third one And she's like well you never really understood what was wrong and then you found out that she Basically killed her brother. Yeah, and like you totally understand Karen's character like 10 times I wonder if the actors knew that that was gonna be her backstory during season one great Cuz like looking back on season one and two you're like this is the same this makes sense Yeah, she has this history. Yeah, no that it definitely really delved into there and she really made her More than just this female character. I like that Matt and her didn't really become something like that He really hinted at it But it never happened and I liked that. Yeah, see and like that was one thing With the show that I like it was weird because like in the comics like I'm like die hard for Electra and Matt Like that that's like that's where I see Daredevil all the time But I do appreciate him and Karen but with the show I wanted them to have nothing to do with each other I was rooting for Karen and foggy the whole time. Yeah, me too. Oh, and even at the end. You're like, yeah It's gonna happen. No, ah friend zone No, they just king of the friend zone Like that was like I gotta cut off. Yeah, I gotta clean up a little bit man like But yeah, no Karen I liked it But I definitely really really really thought she was gonna die in season three like everything about that episode was setting it up Just he gets into Kingpin's lair and she says she finds out that Karen's gonna be hit by bullseye Yeah, he's like this is I'll never get a chance like this again But I'm gonna go save my friend and then it's at the church And I really thought that it's like man This is gonna send him and just such into like the really really sad zone Well, if he throws away it throws it away and he fails at saving her Yeah, yeah, like it like what got me the most like cuz like I was fully expecting her to die when I was watching that Oh my god, they're doing it. Yeah, they're gonna kill Karen right now Right and then like when he throws the baton or whatever and it cuts the Karen I'm like, yo, you did it and it's like, oh Just a bit here and yeah That also thought it too is damn how hard he throw that thing Bedded like it was Jesus that's a that's a hard stick Yeah But no in Matt got his ass handed to him to there Yeah, and now that's the only thing I'll have a little bit complained about with season three I think that I obviously I know he's been beaten He had a gosh darn building fall on him and the defenders and he's still broken but he gets beaten up by a former sniper in Hand-to-hand combat and this dude took on dead ninjas. Yeah. Yeah That's just one of those things especially like cuz like it's kind of hard to separate like because when you look at say bullseye's history in the comics Right a good half of that is when bullseye had the whole adamantium spine and everything Oh, and that's what they were that's what they were doing like end of the third season exactly, right? But they couldn't say adamantium cuz yeah, but um What you may call it they Fox does have adamantium. No, they do. Oh fox does not Marvel Marvel's got vibranium Yeah, and they actually you they actually said a different metal which is in some other comic and it's not as good as vibranium or anything But it's you know, it's almost But yeah with bullseye and the majority of his comic stuff is he can barely feel any pain at all That's how he's able to take mad on yeah But like they didn't really say that in the show but like in my head like that's kind of what I was living with Oh, yeah, dude. I actually really liked his origin story How they did it all in that room. Yeah, no, that was reading his vials This is such a good way to save money, but still keep the narrative Like oh, yeah, and like still keep it kept it really classy all black and all that But no when he threw the ball when he threw the ball and killed his coach. Oh Whoa This kid's got issues. Yeah, and his his counselor to oh dude She was really interesting. I want to kill you for dying like yeah Yeah, and then she even said like say what you're feeling and she's like this woman's Still delving into this kid's head and she's possibly about to be murdered by him that relationship was so weird But so entertaining. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was definitely interesting Like I don't know it's bullseye was cool because like you've never ever gotten a real definitive backstory on him because he's a pathological liar He's always you know BS or he's Colin Farrell. Yeah, we're calling Farrell throwing peanuts at old ladies No, I When you were saying earlier about the how people have kind of gone back and forth about the seasons And I really did like the first one But admittedly I have tried to rewatch it several times and I cannot get past episode three Really? I get bored. Oh, I think I Think it's just because of how long it take you really feel the padding Yeah, because it takes a long time. The first season is for people who are new to Daredevil, but to rewatch it again It's not so much the third one. Everything's been laid down. Yeah, and I feel that I could I haven't rewatched three but I feel I could and I Really, honestly the first the episodes I've watched the most are the first four of season two Because of the relationship between him and Frank Castle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and speaking which I'm gonna we're gonna play a little clip here This is the oh Actually, wait, I just realized we're at the halfway point So I gotta just say that you guys are tuned into listening to the movies here on 101.7 see I feel radio on R on We're reporting to you from the University of the Fraser Valley app is for campus on the unceded and traditional territory the Stola people I'm your host Jeremy. I got my buddy Matt. Oh, what's called you Matt? Oh, yeah, I was called you Matt Murdoch Adam here. We're talking about Daredevil and right now I'm gonna play for you one of the best parts of the show ever did and this is the moral argument between Punisher Frank Castle his morals of killing people And Matt Murdoch's want to not kill people and you can't help but Feel that Frank is right Really have to spell it out for you red, huh? I'm disappointed Listen carefully. Okay. Are you listening? Yeah. How about now you listening feel it? I'm not that guy, right When I explain that to the orphans and the widows of the menu kill shit, that's what you think I'm just some crazy asshole going around unloading on whoever I want. Yeah, that's exactly what I think Do you think you're anything else? I think that the people I kill need killing. That's what I think you left men Hanging for me talks they got off easy my opinion. You shut up a hospital. Yeah, nobody got hurt or didn't deserve it What about you Frank? What happens the day someone decides you deserve it tell you what they better not miss You run around this city like it's your damn shooting gallery. Yeah, what do you do? What do you do? Yeah, like it's a playground you beat up the bullies with your fists you throw them in jail Everybody calls you a hero, right and then a month a week a day later. They're back on the streets doing the same goddamn thing So you just put him in the morgue you goddamn right I do You ever doubt yourself Frank not even for a second really really you never think for one second shit I just killed a human being it's being pretty generous a human being who did a lot of stupid shit Maybe even evil but had one small piece of goodness in him. Maybe just a scrap Frank It's something and then you come along in that one tiny flicker of light gets snuffed out forever. I think you're wrong Which part all of it? I think there's no good in the foot that I put down. That's what I think And how do you know I just know look around right this city. It stinks. It's a sewer It stinks and it smells like shit, and I can't get the stink out of my nose I think that this world it needs men that are willing to make the hard call Only I do the one thing that you can't you hit them and they get back up I hit them and they stay down. I make sure that they don't make it out on the street again I take pride in that let me ask you this. What's that? What about hope? I see Anna Claus you want to talk about Santa Claus. I live in the real world. Yeah, I've seen it What have you seen redemption Frank? And it's possible the people you murder deserve another chance to kill again rape again is Bill Frank to try again Frank to try And if you don't get that there's something broken in you you can't fix and you really are a nut job Yeah You're unhinged Frank You are You think God made you a one-man firing squad But you're wrong There is goodness in people even in you and you're gonna have to kill me because I'm never gonna stop coming for you until I take you down You want to know why? Because you're insane The funny that's the first part of that argument the second part is the part that's really good. That's when Matt's basically morally Outmaneuvered and he says yeah, there's no Like he doesn't admit to it. I think he says it's this one time and but Frank's like no you can't You do it once you're down this road forever. There's not just one time and I like the two I definitely enjoyed those two together even for the short time that they were Yeah, I kind of wish there was a little bit more to them in like at least like even season two We're like even if like because like I I didn't watch the defenders I had a buddy explain everything to me that happened in it But even if like he popped up in the defenders for yeah No, that was a little weird that you know the whole battle for New York happens And well no actually know they may explain it in the beginning of the Punisher right because he was off killing everyone else He was the Punisher either Dude, I watched that just to see Like they made this thing in like nine months. I know way this could be good That's yeah, and it was actually pretty good. It's not the best one Some people have said it's the best one is like no no no no daredevil still better just Jane my dude like that's actually I'm gonna break it for you. Don't don't rewatch the first you watch it. I'll never watch it again Rewatch it. It's a great movie. He tortures a dude with a Ice cream cone. Yeah, that's not Punisher man He is the most PG Punisher in that whole thing. He doesn't Like I read welcome back Frank just recently and he is brutal dude. He doesn't Use ice cream cones. I haven't read too much. He can't really murders a lot But the dude literally like he's not wrong with saying he's insane because the amount of murder this man does is in incredible, but Barenthal is now my Punisher. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right I like Thomas Jane and I like that little short that they did with him at the own Ron Perlman He's like the homeless guy. Yeah, that was a little short video. That was really good But I'll still say Barenthal just has the character It's basically Shane if he wasn't bad, but But still bad. It's still bad, but yeah, I'm sorry. Oh, man You I know you haven't watched the other ones, but I would give Punisher a watch I was surprised at how decent it was despite how quickly they made it also how they introduced jigsaw It's the goriest one of all of them like there is a lot of blood if they don't cancel the show Two weeks after the release of season two Which is pretty much a forecon Jessica Jones is working on their third season. God forbid. It's any are they like filming it like right now. Yeah Oh, man, I bet the crew is just like, yeah. Well, this is it Well, they're gonna have a rat party. Yeah, you know, have like a full definite rat party No, no, they're sitting there for us even though it's not being confirmed yet. No, but No, like I Watched it. I don't know how I actually got through Jessica Jones season two because this it started off me and then it just went in this constant Rig rip rinse and repeat with her mother. She finds her mother. Her mother's crazy kill someone She sells her to stop mother gets away Jessica goes after her rinse and repeat. They literally did this for like eight episodes and when it finally ended I just thank God. Thank God you killed her Yeah, no, it's like I like I think I was rewatching like the Sopranos when Jessica Jones season one came out No, and I was like I would rather rewatch the Sopranos for the third time and watch this show It is a slow burn like the amount of Unnecessary pacing that they put it Jessica Jones is one of the most evident But Jessica Jones also had David Tennant Mmm, and David Tennant was fantastic as kill grave and he gets killed at the end of the first season And when they killed him I was like, well, that was a mistake and my brother who was really into it He's like why they just killed the best part of this show Jessica Jones is okay She's a good character. Let me look at the kill kingpin in season one. Yeah, right? It would have just been like I didn't get to wear a white yet. They yeah, no they use their main money boy They they threw it away like I just got to get that out there though It was like the treatment that they gave kingpin with the whole of the series is like what I Went like the little version of me six-year-old Adam watching the spider-man cartoons wanted to see so yeah He was huge in that one. Yeah, that was a walking fortress. Yeah in the animated spider-man show So when we saw him at played by Vincent D'nafrio Vincent D'nafrio, which I actually thought was really funny cuz I've never liked Vincent D'nafrio before that dude I thought his acting on criminal intent was terrible. Yeah, you can't pull up Well, you mean the cell okay, you can Men in black water oh I Never knew that was him honestly it doesn't look like him at all. Oh gosh. No. Well, he's thin. Yeah Yeah, no, like I'll like the all all stuff aside is Vincent D'nafrio's like him as kingpin was like perfect Like I can't I know too many people I agree with you. He was The best person to have chosen. I can't think of anyone else. I'm like I'm one of the like like he got big for that movie He packed on weight. Did he oh, yeah, no, dude. He's like 40 pounds more than me normally. Yeah, I guess he looks extra stuck I thought it was like padding or something. I thought so too a little bit But then I queen I can't remember there's I think he actually wanted to be this menacing figure Yeah, and they worked it well Like especially like this season one like he busts like he gets out of jail and it's like instantly All right, we're hitting the ass caught. We're putting on the white, you know All right, the thing that like really got me it was like I was rewatching I think the final fight scene Of those of the season, you know daredevil versus bullseye versus kingpin, you know, yeah unreal like oh man That was choreography was fantastic insane, right? But like it's just such a brutal fight But like when I was watching it I was like man like For a follow-up season like you could have kingpin with the cane now Like he got so brutalized in that scrap that he could have had the cane and Everything to go with the suit like it would have completed the look and it's just like oh Give me season four No, I'll agree that fight was Insanely brutal just the amount of blood that got on Wilson Fisk and the yeah It was a weird three-way fight and my brother even said why is Why is Matt getting in the way between him and daredevil Him in bullseyes because he wants to beat kingpin. He's the one who wants to kill him He doesn't want bullseye to do it and he even defends. What's her name too? Veronica. Yeah, because he knows in the back of his mind. That's that's his other thought I want to kill him, but I'm having this moral Conflict within myself And yeah, no that I thought how it ended I was standing when he was over top of him beating the crap out of its face Yeah, no, it was crazy. He even said kill me like kingpin was saying kill me. I'm like Unbutton a button But no, yeah, I I think venice denafrio was really good I think he was a very good choice a lot of the the casting for this show has always been very good Yeah, um, I was on the fence about electra in season two. I didn't know who that woman was I was very unsure about her. I can't remember what she was in before was she engaged ronzer I know that she was in hitman's bodyguard afterwards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's uh, I saw her there. I was like, oh, hey What's going on? Yeah, um, yeah, no, she was great and like electra like like I said It's like one of my favorite parts of daredevil as a whole. It's like, I don't know I always thought she was just so cool. She's like the like the ultimate temptress You know what I mean? It's just like Oh a femme fatale. I want to be a good catholic superhero But I got this this brunette over here that wants me to do some pretty crazy stuff Yeah, like that when when don't they man in the second season to talk about when they first met And they're in this house and he she basically makes him steal something. That's oh, yeah She makes him like rob the place and then She's like, oh, no, it's my house and it's like psych. We just stole a bunch of jewelry Yeah, no, I remember that it's like dang Matt you're going down the rabbit hole here. Yeah And No, I think yeah Um, the the only person I'll say That it's not because of him. I think he was really good, but I constantly forget The main reporter guy in the first season Uh, all right. All right. Yeah. I constantly forget. He was in the show. Yeah, and but he's a character that doesn't die Like he's not dead plays such a big part in all of their devil Yeah, he's in michael bendis. Yeah, he's in michael bendis' run and I'm on the third volume of it And he appeared just like oh, hey, you're dead according to the television show Yeah, like in the first season like I remember like how shocked I was when they killed him like what like he's such a big part of the okay, but like Come on. Yeah. No, I I wasn't too happy with It was admittedly a big shock But yeah, I think that's why karen they did karen go into the newspaper stuff in the comics Because I thought that was that was their way of replacing Ulrich, I think that's what they did. They were like, okay, we're gonna get karen to kind of pick up Yeah, but mind you that didn't happen until what halfway through the second season Yeah, yeah, I didn't really kick off to the third season really like no because you're still kind of being a lawyer for frank in the season too Like oh, yeah, like halfway like once once frank's whole thing is done and he's in jail I felt that that was when she just quit that was when matt uh nelson and murdoch fell apart Which I've I like that they they decided to go back with that at the end and page and page And page and I I didn't expect that honestly. I thought that Foggy was just set with being, you know, I'll make money like I'm um He kind of became what he wanted to be when they first were lawyers Um, he was still had the moral good And he was a good lawyer, but he was like, yeah, I really want that money Yeah, like that was another thing with foggy was like I I was surprised That he didn't wind up becoming the da because he does Yeah, that's what I thought too. He does do that doesn't he does become the da I'm like like maybe they're saving it or something but like I'm like, why would you kind of yeah But that's what then they threw that in just again more of the kingpin just putting his his arms in his just his His hands and everything and that is something too that I also I really appreciate about season three We basically got the same villain again from the first season But they still didn't well enough that you didn't care. Yeah, and it was totally it was like, okay We got like like this was like pretty much his final form. You know what I mean? This was it right it's like this is this is what we've been waiting for since season one Yeah, no exactly and that's something that certain shows should take some freaking notice of super natural Um, but uh, no, I didn't expect it to be that good I knew it would be good, but I didn't expect it to be that good Yeah, because like I it showed a lot of like when it came to like kingpins like his his method You know like how he sucks you in like Figures out like what you want like yeah, and then he turns that one against you Yeah, oh man Just such a dark guy like like the one point that I wanted to touch on was raheem like agent raheem Yes, and I first I really didn't like that character at first I was on the and then I saw just how he got pulled in literally he got pulled into the whole kingpin Then he and he was basically a Current representation of how he had a kingpin has gone everyone else. He has entire Legacy, it's like you think kingpin can't corrupt you. Yeah, he corrupted the entire fbi That went that whole When she shot what say when there was that interview between him his boss and the other guy the other guy and she she just shoots I was like That blew me away. I was like, holy crap And I knew there was something fishy going on, but I didn't know it was the entire fbi basically Yeah, no, it's it was just well crafted like all around like and it's it's almost like did did kingpin plan out like The end of season one like did he know this was gonna go down? He's like, all right I'm gonna go do a bunch of stuff in prison I'm gonna talk to frank castle for two episodes and give the punisher a really bad-ass fight scene Oh that fight scene is so gory and so good when when they got that emblem in blood on his chest Yeah, dude, that was that was pretty good. I uh, I definitely enjoyed that Um, that was something too that I've noticed that marvel doesn't at least the shows didn't do that too much like Daredevil was only in his costume in the second season and defenders Well, actually he wasn't even in his costume until the second the second last episode of defenders But the punisher too He doesn't wear his flakjack like he actually throws The flakjack at away at the beginning of the yeah, basically at the beginning of the first season Oh, he does well. He's killed everyone the first season is a montage that begins with a montage of him Murdering everyone who was associated and he's like i'm done. I'm good and he just throws it I mean, that's how it starts. That was the thing that I I I liked but I didn't like about it Him being introduced the way he was it was like they just completed his whole story arc Yeah, and somebody else's tv show I He hadn't finished it yet. He had he that was one mobster. That was one mob entity that he was after Oh, he kills a bunch more like he don't worry. He's still punishing. Oh, yeah, he's still punishing and then he's just kind of He wants to I don't know he he He talks about how he can't do it. He can kill all these people, but he can't kill himself And he toys with it a lot. It talks. It's really respectful in terms of Uh veterans as well. They're because he goes he he's associated with a group that talk about Um, just the nightmares and the issues that they have. Yeah, it's a ptsd type of thing No, and that's one of the better parts of that season. Like I said, you really should check that part out because um They actually have bren barns ben barns is in it. I like him. He was good in westworld Yeah, but you know, it's funny. He's he like I always remember him as prince caspian or dorian gray He was prince. Yeah, I was prince caspian. He was also any yep Hello, my lord Like no and he was in dorian gray, which I don't know if you remember but I remember watching that like like like Leave extraordinary gentleman. No, no, no, no. They did a movie actually called dorian gray and he's Terrible as calling furth in it and it's terrible. I do like me some fur Yeah, and he's he's a tear. I thought like this guy literally is getting by on his looks He's a terrible damn actor and then westworld came around and said Oh, he could play a good asshole. Yeah, you're really good at playing a really bad a bad person And that kind of goes over in bleeds over a bit a bit into punisher But he surprised me. I wasn't expecting him to be as good as he was um But yeah, no, uh I was kind of uh, some people were a little bit upset that punisher or no one else from the defenders or anything came into uh This the third season and it's funny enough too because in season two one of the best episodes of Luke cage season two Is iron fist is when iron fist like just makes a cameo and he talks with luke about how to improve his fighting and whatnot And that doesn't happen at all three. I'm gonna take tips from you, but yeah No, that was really funny, but oddly enough. It's still I feel that three it worked without having any of those characters I'm glad that they didn't have no the pacing didn't need it They this is one of the least padded out like even the the jessica jones reference in the last episode It felt out of place to me. I was like, you didn't even need to do that. You just did that to do it Yeah, you just was like Oh, and you're way more stable than jessica jones. It's like did you need to say that though? Yeah, I don't know I I definitely I liked it was a down to basic sort of idea and it was focused on the character focused on this relationship with the kingpin and The thing was though I'm actually slightly happy it did end because I don't know where they could have gone from there No, no, they have oh dude, they could have done a lot of cool See that's I don't that's why I wanted to bring you on for here And I guess that's what we can talk about in the final bits here is What could have they done because without doing basically a third retread of the same story You will like I think with the kingpin I think like I think the kingpin could be resorted to like kind of what he was in season two Was just like kind of a voice that popped up in a total of three scenes Yeah, well in bendices he everyone kind of has this assumption that he's afraid Or that uh, he's afraid of daredevil and oh, yeah, that's something that happens in the second volume is Not his son. Oh, yeah, fisk has a son that he finds pathetic Um, his son has a friend Who basically try he he has an eyes of march For for kingpin kingpin gets stabbed by a bunch of people and they think they've killed him But they haven't and so his wife comes out of hiding And she murders all of them Everyone who is associated with it even his son. Oh, wow. She kills. No, sorry Is it no, she doesn't come out. No, no, she comes out of hiding after everything's been done But kingpin kills his own son. Oh, because it's like bro. Oh boy. You killed me. You try to kill me I got to kill you now. I can't let the disrespect happen. Yeah Um, and that's the that's something else too Kingpin does try to come back after that and then matt murdoch beats him with an inch of his life Without his mask on in front of all these gangsters. He said i'm the kingpin now And that was kind of what I was totally remember that now I was expecting that I was expecting that to happen at the end of Season three and it kind of did by saying if you do anything. I'm going to go after your wife And that's the closest we got to that But that was the only thing I could think of that would happen with season three Or sorry season four, but luke cage already ripped that off I think bullseye just would have been the way to go with season four like bull out give bull's eyes Outfit, you know what? I mean like yeah, you could have done a lot of like the another thing that Was really upsetting to me. Look throughout the show is like how they kind of treated the gladiator um He's he's the buddy that makes his oh, yeah Like he's supposed to be the gladiator and they they build like they show his weapons in the background and his arm Oh, yeah build them up and it's like yeah, like I get he's gonna be a nice guy at the end of the day Like but let me stop like have a good something in there. I don't know Now you're kind of wondering if the suit will ever come back right if it well if it had ever will not ever wear it again Yeah, but now we don't know with like the Whole disney's sort of situation right now is so up in the air. Yeah, it's just What do you do right like I don't know like disney could have a plethora of plans with their double like I think easily like it's their Most successful out of the four Even though the the numbers are down there. Well this media interactions are something like that the twitters and the other twitters The twitters like I don't know like I haven't used twitter since before or since like the first season I dare I only use twitter because it's associated with my youtube page and I just put hashtags in there to piss off supernatural fans But uh, yeah, no it was just For me it was like because like when I when her loop cage season two came out I thought It like the hype that was surrounding it and like the people that were telling me to watch it Was way more than season one And I was weird too because I think that season one is better Yeah, but like season one is just a much better iteration because they're this character Oh, the only thing that they got better is they have a better villain in season two sort of Oh, yeah, see what happened with me with season one was my buddy He one day were like sitting in the van at work and then he's like, oh, yeah He's like, oh, you're watching Luke cage. It was like right as it came up. Like, oh, yeah I think on this episode. Yeah, he's like, how was it when cotton? I was died. I'm like Dude, I'm on that episode. Oh And immediately that's the worst thing that they did in that season is they killed him That's why I stopped watching that character is His sister is a good replacement Yeah, that. Oh, yeah, what sister is a very good. It's her name again in the Oh, she's got some weird I can't remember but she's good. She's a good replacement But cotton mouth is just so in that episode too They talk about like his history with his grandmother and how he became who he was and then they kill him Which for shock value and for writing value worked real good But it's a uh, it was a Jessica Jones situation. They didn't have a villain killed the best part of their Yeah, you didn't have a villain to replace Or someone to take that spot. What's happening? You get a really good act to play a Half part. Yeah, you just you have she was good, but she just couldn't match Uh, more shot more Charlotte Hadley. I don't think that's his name. It's kind of uh, and yeah, it was unfortunate. I Oddly enough my buddy my roommate watched season two faster than he seemed he still hasn't seen Daredevil season three Oh, I know he's one of the guys And he's the one who he watched the first two seasons real quick And he was the one who would told me for so long you got to watch daredevil You got and I was making those really terrible blind people jokes. Well, let me guess is he gonna go around saying Justice is blind I was one of those jerks and then I watched it and I said, you know what I was wrong. This is good Well, yeah, like that that was a thing like even like when sony was trying to put together their daredevil movie before they lost the rights Um, I was super pumped because like I was just like I don't know like when I was a kid and I saw like it For the way I saw daredevil like it wasn't a dare or a superhero with superpowers It was a superhero with like complete disadvantages And he was still one of the most badass dudes out there. Oh, yeah. No, he's a human. He's human He just can hear really well. It has heightened senses all around Yeah, no, and that's so cool to imagine those kind of aspects like what he can do like when he was in the church Right and he can hear who's above him. Yeah, it's like that's dope. Yeah. Yeah Oh, well Unfortunately, we've actually just talked for a whole hour and I'm very sad because this is a really great conversation I if we ever can do something like this again about We probably could talk about gardens of the galaxy. Hey, I got a whole whole bone to pick with the mouse That was on that one Well, Adam, I'm really happy you got you came on the show We talked about this a few times and no, this was really good Like my jaw hurts now from just how intense this conversation was. It was good Uh, so you guys have been listening to adam and I on listening on the listening to the movies on 101.7 c ivill radio Uh, we were reporting to you from the university of the phraser valley On the unceded and traditional stolo people land. Oh, that was bad. Um Thank you guys for listening. I hope you guys enjoyed our conversation. This was really fun to talk about and Hopefully we'll get to talk about soon. It sucks that daredevil has been canceled But you know disney plus, please save us. Yeah disney plus. Please save us. You're our only hope Oh I have to rely off disney now more that they already kind of that's how they get you man They already they already kind of souring the whole star wars pit. So We'll wait till the mandalorian drops and then yeah, man. I want to educate the canyon All right guys. Thank you for listening. I'll see you guys next time