 And they seen the live first crew getting it in. No, they came for a show, but Dre had a relationship. I mean, Dr. Rock had a relationship with those guys. Okay. Before he came here. Okay. He had a relationship with Dre and the world class working crew and all those guys. Mm-hmm. And so Dre was beginning to start the bud as a producer. So Rock asked him to come down and produce some stuff for the first crew. Yeah, we on boss talk one on one. One on one. So being a person that was around when rap first started, cause I know how like when something new comes out, people look at it like, ah, ah, ah. So what was everybody's reaction to rap when it first came out? What was your reaction to it when it first came out? When it first came out, hell, I didn't know where it was, but I liked it. Who was it? I'll say you liked it. Who was you listening to? My first experience with rap was Apache. Apache? Mm-hmm. That's sort of Furious Five. Yeah. I've heard that name. Yeah, I heard that name. Cause we looked up who started, who started rap the other day and that's the name. No, no, no, no, no. That's one of the names that popped up. Yeah, but I'm more, man, you know, I started from Houdini to Alley Boy that was doing little catch-ism and rhymes. That's the second level. You know what I'm saying? That's the second level. When I remember in Vegas, I would hear like the fat boys, I lived in Vegas for a little bit. Yeah, that's the second level. The fat boys, the second level. I was more on that. Now the first, when I look at, I met what's the name of them before he passed away, the one Sugar Hill gang. Those are, that's the first level. That's the first level. So I knew this. Yeah, that was the first level. But at the end of the day, all of it was stemming from the East Coast. And Cool Hurt was the first level, too. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. How you know about that? Well, look out now, man. Look out now. Shut it down, baby. She's getting a little deep. That's her roots. Exactly. She went to Jamaica with it, didn't she? I knew she did it. Boy, she slick as hell. But now like I, but then you move up to LA real early on, but how do they come down here and even discover you? How do a Dr. Dre, how do any of those guys, they probably came for a show. But I'm gonna say. That's exactly right. And they seen the live first crew getting it in. No, they came for a show, but Dre had a relationship. I mean, Dr. Rock had a relationship with those guys before he came here. Okay. He had a relationship with Dre and the world class working crew and all those guys. And so Dre was beginning to start the bud as a producer. So Rock asked him to come down here and produce some stuff for the first crew. Which is after I had to go to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I knew that too. And he came down here and he did four songs. And it was, you know, it was like filling each other out. But we did a song together called Toughest Man Alive. And you could, in that record, you can kind of hear that Dre and I had something that was cracking, you know? So my T-johns wanted me to go to the army because I didn't want to go to school. And you didn't want to go? I don't know what I didn't want to go. I mean, I had some off to the people that served. Exactly. I appreciate them, but that wasn't for me. This is man, T-john just put me there. I put them boy's thing in LA when you come up to us saying T-john. What was you saying at that time? Because that ain't even, that's from here. Yeah. Yeah. You know that, you know. You talk different. I know they told you that, as soon as you got there, you heard that a lot. Country. Country, I was country to you. Oh yeah, I mean, but it's hard, man. Yeah, we on boss talk one-on-one, one-on-one. Yeah, we gon' talk.