 Believe it or not, there's one thing you can do that will do the following. Literally just one thing, build more muscle, burn more body fat, reduce cravings, improve your hormone profile, give you a more positive mood, and probably just make you a better person. The kicker is you do this thing every day anyway, all you got to do is do it better. You ready? Have better sleep, put some focus on your sleep, have a sleep routine, sleep in a room that is effective for sleep, basically prioritize your sleep, and all those things I mentioned will improve even if you don't change your diet, your workout, or anything else. That's how impactful it can be. Oh, good. I thought that was going to be a pitch for Mona V or something. Does that company still exist? Oh, yeah. Remember that? They went under, right, Doug? I don't know. I haven't heard about them for a while. I think they went under. My stepdad. Of course. Yeah, he did. He did every MLM, dude, every single one. I used to see there are people driving cars that have the sticker on the back. Oh, they're still alive here. Oh, they are. Yeah. No way. That's impressive. You want to talk about a crappy, it's literally blueberries from the Amazon. Yeah, that's all. It's a sidebar. But it's exotic. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. But yeah, because I mean sleep, that's just too, too simple. Well, it literally has that big of an impact, and I'm not like just saying this like every study done on it. But you know what it reminds me of? If you guys remember that little spiel that Jordan Peterson did with, I think it was on Joe Rogan's podcast, I think we've all shared it as like being like one of the more impactful things where he's talking about the first 10 minutes of walking through the door or the 15 to 20 minutes you spend with breakfast with your wife every single day and explaining that like that's like 80% of your life. Like if you master those little things, you're going to have a really good life. And I feel like there's those same types of rules apply to health and fitness. It's the boring things that are not fun to talk about like sleep every single night that if you master that, like mastering that will make you healthier than like 90% of the population. Everything will be enjoyable, not just like something in the future that you're working towards. Yeah. Well, modern life, the default is encourages terrible sleep. Like that's the default, right? So what do I mean by that? Well, we don't get a lot of sunlight that's that impacts your sleep negatively. Most people have stimulants during the day and maybe depressants at night that impacts your sleep negatively were not active at all compared to what we should be doing. We tend to eat late. We tend to be exposed to light right before we go to bed. And so, and what we do is we confuse being so exhausted or knocking ourselves out with good quality sleep to the point where this is true now. A lot of people might not admit this, but most people need something to go to sleep or something to wake up. That's a hint. That's a clue that your sleep is probably not that great. So really just improving that and how do you do that? You just kind of prioritize a little do a few things to your day and your lifestyle and it makes a huge impact on everything else in not just your body composition because studies show that right more muscle, less body fat cravings. That's a big one. But also your attitude and your mood. There was a study that I read that showed that when people had good sleep versus not as good sleep, their perception of their daily events became more positive or more negative. So in other words, you know, obviously there's objective things that happen around us. But our perception of what's happening around us is the filter. So you could perceive the same event, the same stresses as more or less stressful or certain things as more positive or less positive. This is what we often refer to as like your mood, right? How your mood is. Sleep has a profound impact on that. So it's just one of those things we totally ignore. The way we tend to pay attention to it is by trying to knock ourselves out. Yeah. And we're extremely deprived from it. That's right. I have to pay attention to it. That's right. That's right. Since you're talking about this, I think this is a good time to transition and share with the audience what happened or what transpired over the last I don't know, it's been about 60, 30, 60 days that's happened. I don't know if the listeners know this, but Ulur, I don't know if they went completely under or they're in the process of shutting down. Yeah, they were known to sleep me towards the end. Yeah, they've been Ulur, Chili Pad, sleep me first, which might have been the reason why they went under. I don't know if by chance, which was a product I absolutely have always loved and talked about because it's been such a game changer for me and Katrina is to be able to balance our each of our temperatures individually and has made a huge difference on my sleep. And anyways, as soon as they went under, I didn't even share this with you guys. I've actually been waiting for us to talk about this. And when the first commercial came up, the almost the day that it came public, that they were not going to exist anymore. We actually got three different emails from a jet bed, sleep eight. And I can't remember who the third comment right away because they knew that we had been with them for the last couple of years. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I didn't tell you guys this. It was really, it was flattering for sure. And I kind of went through and dug in what I thought of like what I thought was the best one of the three of them and then started negotiations back and forth. And that's how we landed on sleep eight because sleep. Is it sleep or sleep? I mean, is it eight sleep or sleep eight, Doug? It's eight sleep. OK, did I say sleep eight or eight sleep? So they're when you compare them, they they definitely understand sleep on a different level when you look at some of the stuff that they do. So well, they're tracking way more than that's it. So a lot of these products, what they do because the studies show this actually has a profound effect on your sleep is the temperature that you sleep in makes a big difference. OK, I think people kind of know that. They know what it feels like when it's too hot, especially more too cold that they can't get really good sleep. Well, temperature control, that's a big one. Let's say I think a lot of these companies do that. But eight sleep also tracks your HRV, your body temperature, deep sleep, heart rate, I think. So it tracks what's happening while you're sleeping. And then here's the crazy part. The bed adjusts temperature to maximize your sleep on the fly. That's crazy. So it's like AI, right? So you're sleeping on the bed. Yeah, it's tracking these things. It starts to learn what works best for you. And then it modulates itself throughout the night to improve deep sleep to wake you up. So there's a feature on there where so a lot of people don't know this. And I figured this out a long time ago. I talked about this on the podcast and we've had a lot of listeners since transition to what I'm about to talk about, because it was game changer for me. Everybody wakes up with an alarm and it's usually a loud phone or whatever. Well, I years ago, I learned how that it's so jolting that it actually is has a negative effect on us and that the way the human body evolved to wake up was more like temperature rises and the sun starts to kind of come up and you kind of just feels like you wake up naturally versus the shock from an alarm. Everybody gets has PTSD from that alarm sound when you were a kid. In fact, right now, people know this. Bro, it still gives me chills today if I hear that like on a movie. Yeah. So people don't know. People know this like right now, if you can if you just randomly heard the alarm sound that you hear in the morning, you'll get this weird whistle or response. I think people know that because you've conditioned your body through this like abrupt. You're not supposed to wake up that way, basically. That's like a stress response, right? So I had bought this alarm clock that mimicked the sun rising and it was a game changer for me. I remember I'd wake up and be like, wow, I feel really good, right? Well, what it sleep does is it uses temperature and vibration to quietly, slowly wake you up. Now, how does temperature work? Well, if you're sleeping at, let's say 55 degrees, if it starts to warm up and there's a period of time. And again, this particular product is smart. So it knows it'll warm up and that warming up naturally wakes you up as if the sun was coming out. Yeah. Pretty awesome, right? No, I'm excited. No, I'm super excited about the partnership. So and it seems to be a product that is as good and better in every other aspect that I felt sleep me and chilly was. So it's pretty cool. But I didn't tell you guys that about the, all the companies that were coming to us, really cool. That's great. They had other ones too. Like, are you guys familiar with the bed jet? Or that one's kind of like basic. It's like almost like an air conditioned fan is like blowing. Yeah, my cousin's a fan. He likes it. But it doesn't have the tracking and stuff. And the other one was was really basic too. I really felt like eight sleep is like the would be the best choice out there, which was pretty cool that I mean, because originally sleep me came after us. It was it was a friend of a friend type of partnership where they had they had done other companies with us and they introduced us and I love the product and we used it and we've been with them for a long time. And I had no complaints about it. I just think that the company didn't work out. I don't know what happened logistically with the business or what like that, but it didn't work out. And, you know, I remember telling Katrina like, oh, man, that's a bummer. It's like one of my favorite products to talk about because of how much it's helped us. And it wasn't, but it was literally like less than a week, dude. And we were getting like, that's a great feeling. I know, right? I thought that was pretty cool. We're like, what do you always say Adam or the hot girls party? That's true. The hot girl. The dance at the dance. Yeah, or the hot girl. Everybody will stop. Yes, I just broke up with my boyfriend. Yeah. 85 dms. My girlfriends dance around the shoes. Yeah. Speaking of which, Creatures of Habit has a pretty bad supplement now. Oh, no, I know that's their night cap. Yeah. Mike's, you know, so funny. Mike sent it over. He's actually sent it over twice now because he sent it over and I'm like, bro, I didn't get it. I swear. I said, I said, this was when I didn't know what it was. I'm like, is it the face mask? And he's like, no, bro. He's like, the face mask comes with it. There was product in the box. I'm like, oh, you say, yeah, no, no, I don't throw it away. You send it to our studio. We got so many employees in here now. We've given them all the green light like, hey, you guys, you guys feel free to use whatever you want. I think the guys take it up like seriously. And so we get boxes sometimes and I'm like, hey, send it to my house. So he finally did send it over there. And I wanted to actually to ask you what your thoughts are on it because it's got it's got a lot of good stuff that we talk about. Camomile, CBD, I think Elfiannes in there, Gabba. Yeah, it's good. So a good sleep product. OK, so there's I would put sleep supplements into two categories. One would be like, knock me out and there's some value in that, right? There's some value in like, I just need something to put me to sleep because even because that doesn't mean you're going to have the best quality sleep, but some but that is better than not. That's like my my travel, yeah, kind of, yeah. When you're off time zones or whatever, yeah, intervention. Like, yeah, like insomnia type of stuff, right? Like I could see like that being like a value. But then the other side is more of a regular use thing, which would have compounds that are beneficial for sleep quality and can be used on a more regular basis and support natural sleep. That's what this is in there because it's got the Gabba, it's got the theanine reishi is in their ashwagandha. These are all, you know, things you can use on a regular basis CBD. So it's it's good stuff. But people don't know creatures of habit. They make the high protein oatmeal that we talk about. Yeah, well, they. So I taught when Mike dropped this, I was we were on the phone. I'm like, hey, what's the deal? Are you moving away from oatmeal? He's like, no, no. He's like, he has a vision was always that's why he called it creatures of habit is like to have this all these different things that he does habitual in his day to optimize sleep, energy, movement, strength. So that makes sense. So he has plans for other products. I don't know what they're going to be in the future, but he's like, yeah, no, this is just one of many things that I want to do that have changed my life and has improved my health and fitness journey. Today's giveaway is the RGB bundle maps, anabolic mass performance and maps aesthetic. Here's how you can enter to win. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop this video. Also subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We're also running a sale right now on some programs. Our beginner workout program map starter is 50% off. And then we have a bundle that includes maps and a balik and maps prime. That's a starter bundle. That's also 50% off. If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. Speaking of sleep, I tell you the most annoying thing happened last night. I'll tell you guys what happened. And then I'll tell you about the thought process that I had. So the night before, I had terrible sleep. We had come back from vacation and the baby seems to be going through our youngest, she's seven months. He's going through a leap, which we've talked about. You can actually look these up. They're actually so accurate. It's crazy. I'd trip out. It's so weird. Like something will happen and I'm like, let me look this up. Oh, there it is. Okay, so do you think it's kind of horoscopy? Is that why? No, it's accurate every time. Because sometimes I feel like it's so accurate. I get blown away and I'm like, is this like because I'm biased? And is it because it's like that so far with us? It has to. I, Katrina and I, and we still, uh, we don't use it as regularly as we did when Max was one and two years, like after two years old, we really slowed down using it. But every once in a while, if he's like acting really abnormal, like he just came out of one, I think I shared this with you guys a couple of weeks ago. So you know what? I haven't looked at the app in a long time. Like what's supposed to be going on with him age wise. She's like, oh my God. It's a leap. Like this is a leap. And this is like his symptoms of the things that he's acting and what he's doing are really lying. And I tell you what, I recommend this to people that are parents with, you know, infants and toddlers, because at the very least, um, being, coming aware of that, your kid is going through that gives you a higher tolerance and more patience. 100% because otherwise you're like, oh, they're acting up. Like what's going on? Yeah. It's like, no, his brain is literally developed. Yeah. And so I have this empathy, like right away. Like, even though I'm frustrated initially with the way he's acting, what he's doing, but then I go like, Oh, well, I understand why now he's trying to figure out this or his vision is now coming together this, or he's just now starting to really understand and comprehend sentences. And so it's like, okay, so it makes me more patient. So parents have known this for a while, um, is that your kid doesn't just linearly grow physically or mentally. It's like all of a sudden, all the stuff happens and then it slows down for a while. And then all of us, they go through growth spurts. They go, they do this with brain development and all that stuff as well. So those are leaps and they have, they place a higher demand on the body's resources, their sleep tends to get disrupted. Um, and okay. So the last leap, um, my, my baby went through, she went through the leap. And right after all of a sudden she's like rolling and doing all these different things that she wasn't doing before. So you could clearly see what happened. So anyway, she's going, going through once. So the sleep was bad. So last night I'm like, you know, Jessica and I are like, let's just, we need to go to bed early. Like let's just organize everything, right? Set everything up, go to bed early. And that's what we did, right? We get everything set up, everything was good. And I go to bed and I'm laying in there and I'm drifting off nicely. And, uh, Jessica was sleeping downstairs because I had taken turns with the baby. So I was upstairs feeding her so she could go downstairs. I feel this tapping on my shoulder. I turn around and it's Jessica. It's like 1130 at night. I'm like, what's going on? She goes, one of the fire alarms is like beeping. It's got like a low battery. Oh my God, it's so annoying. Fine. So I get up, so I got to get up, right? So now I'm like fully awake and it was a fire. I didn't, I didn't even know that we had one there. So where I live, um, it's like a, kind of like a try level almost. And we have these really high ceilings. Okay. And some parts of the house is like 20 footer. I don't know how the hell they put a fire alarm. How you change the battery on this thing. But it was huge extension ladder just to reach the roof. That was like the one at our truckie house that I got hit with. That happened to you. Yeah. You know, our ceilings there are massive and we have one all the way up in the corner and how'd you get it? Well, we have one of those crazy like 20 foot ladders. I had to go get that ladder and well, this is 1130 at night. I have a step ladder. That's as high as I go. So you're like, this is a broom. No, I couldn't even reach it if I had a broom. So it's way up and it's doing this beep, you know, every like minute. Would you be grossed at it? It's so annoying. So I'm like, what do like, I'm so frustrated. I'm like, oh, there's what can I do? And I'm like, literally in my head, I'm like, I'm going to throw things at it and crush it. But then I'm going to wake up the kids. So we ended up just turning up the sound machines and trying to sleep through it. Oh my God. I know. So literally I was daydreaming. Can you ever go to sleep and you dream about what you want to do? Yeah. So in my dream, I was so annoyed with it because you would hear it beep every once in a while that I got my gun and I shot it. Then I woke up and I'm like, thank God I didn't do that. It kind of brings me back. I mean, you ever had one of those possessed toys that you just have to get rid of where in the middle of the night, like it just turns on randomly. That was freaking me out. And so we had, this is a long time ago when the kids were lit all in and I was at my old house and it was one of those like dinosaur robot. Like you just turned it on and it walks around and it's like and it like makes all these like weird noises and it just lit up and it was like it started like going really slow and then it turned off. And then I go to like mess with it and I'm turning it off. It wasn't even on. It was just they just decided to turn on and then go back to sleep. Wake up again. And it's doing that, but then it's going in super slow motion. It's like with the weird creepy like I grabbed it through it outside to break it. And I look outside my my door that's like a sliding glass door. It's out there just turns back on. So I'm going to fucking burn that thing when I wake up. Where you just remind me of a story when Katrina and I first started dating. I used to have this projector for a TV screen in my bedroom. And I like, and I actually had a big long master bedroom. And so it projected a hundred inch screen on my wall. And she used to come over and we watched this is like when we first started dating and she come out and watch and this is like the first time like she saw me like lose my shit because I something was wrong. I needed like a new bulb and stuff and ordered it. And, you know, of course, I've got this new girl I'm dating. And so I don't need I don't want to be a chump and not know how to change my stuff. So of course I'm doing it. You got to establish that you can do it, right? Oh, my God. It was like the most complex thing I had ever done, dude. To just change this goddamn bulb in a projector. I thought it would be like so basic and simple. And I've got instructions out. She's like sitting there trying to help me. It's like that. And eventually I got so memorized to have that condo. Yeah, this is before YouTube fucking ripped it off the wall, went to the balcony and fucking chucked it off the balcony. Wow. Such a man. She was like, oh, dude, I was so mad. She was like, OK, I guess we're not going to watch a movie today. They got you. She didn't leave you. I know. The guy she stuck around with me, you know what I'm saying? Oh, man, I was so mad. I lost my shit just through the buttons. The thing exploded when I hit the ground. Oh, that's annoying. I had once just a long time ago, one of those toys, Justin, that you're talking about where it would just turn on randomly. And I finally got frustrated and I pulled the batteries out. And then when I went to bed, it turned on. Still turns on. Yes. And I was like, what? Yeah. So I stomped it to death because I was like, this is weird. Well, there's another battery that goes to the other part. Yeah, a little bit of a stomping. A lot of the smoke alarms have that. I've experienced that before where you like unplug it. Then you think it's a battery, then you take that battery out, then it has like a little watch battery in it. It's like, it's like backup, backup. And you're like, dude, you know, you talk about leaps. Max was going through. I mean, I don't know if I'd consider it. I didn't go on the app and see if this was a leap, but it seems like a new thing where I can I can literally see him processing like new words or a new sentence that you say. And he's in repeat mode. So he's in this like, if he hears something new, he's going to repeat it for sure, because it's just new to him. And or he'll see Katrina and I having a conversation and hear something like that. He's never heard before. And then he he repeats it. And you can actually like see the wheels spinning and like him doing it. We're wrestling around and yesterday. And he's, you know, we just, of course, I let him feel like he's challenging me a little bit every once in a while. I'm like, oh, you know, and then I'll put him in like his arm behind his back or put him in a full Nelson. And so I'm doing stuff with him. Hardcore. I don't fuck around, right? So I don't want him to be a wuss. You know, Katrina and Katrina has to leave the room a lot time. She's like, I can't watch this. You're being so hard. I'm like, he's laughing. It's not hard. Trust me. Yeah. There's a whole other level of hard here. We're not even there yet. Right. So just wait till he gets older. Yeah. So my new, my new thing that I was saying to him was he'd come out, he'd come round to me and dive at me. And I was, and I would do like a different move. And I said, you've never seen this one before. And I'd say that to him. And he just thought it was so funny. And so like, that's this new thing, right? And he taxed me out of nowhere. And he's like, you've never seen this before. Yeah. You've never seen this before. And he does, he tries to do like some weird move. Don't ever, don't ever, here's a lesson that I'll do people listening right now. Don't ever react strongly when your little one hits you in the nuts because then they realize it's a power. This is now, yeah. Now my toddler thinks it's hilarious. So now if I'm sitting down or whatever, he's going to throw something at me. He's aiming for that because he hit me on action. I'm like, oh, oh my God. I remember that reminds me of like when I was out of the park and when the kids were a little smaller and we would play like that. We played rough and like, because we have always played rough and like tumble and all that. And so they would, I was like throwing the football with my friend. We're getting the dogs. Everybody's out, you know, getting energy expended. And they were just trying to come at me as I'm trying to catch football. And I just would stiff arm them and like push them on their back, you know, and they'd come in. And we just started to do this like straight up like kung fu where I'm just like throwing a kick, like just, you know, I'm not hurting them, but we're all like playing into it. And like they would fly and like roll out of it. And all and then these parents would walk by and just be like, like somebody's like going to call CPS on me or something. And I'm just like, dude, we play rough. Especially if you have, well, I mean, this is going to sound stereotypical, but it's true. I think especially with little boys, they oftentimes they have to get out this loud, rambunctious kind of like I got to throw shit energy. And so, you know, my two year old, he'll do that. He needs to every day run really hard, throw shit and scream at the top of his lungs. Well, it just so happens that, you know, Jessica can't, she hates super loud screaming. So she gets really mad at him. So I'm like, honey, he's got to get out this energy. So like we do this thing now, we're going to start doing this thing where I'm going to say to him, do you want to scream? And then she's going to go outside. So she's because he can scream real loud and then let him get that shit out, scream louder, throw something. And he just goes nuts. And he goes to sleep nicely, you know, but they have to get it out. It's interesting how different like every kid is, right? When we were up in Truckee, we had my best friend and his kids, right? And their hunter, his son is a year older than Max. And then they have a daughter who's a year younger than Max. And their night routine of getting ready to go to bed is so opposite of Katrina and I. First of all, they let their kids stay up at least an hour, an hour and a half later than ours. And then Mac, like what we do, it's like, there's the, I've shared it before, like, you know, bath time, even to this day. Once he hits the bed to read, you don't get off the bed. It's like, we read a couple of books, then there's a story time after it. It's like an hour and lights are all dim and down. It's like this like hour of my buddy takes, goes to brings the kids out to the golf course when we're out there and sprints and runs and tackling like they they exhaust him. That's their way of getting him ready for bed. I just like, that's so wild to me. I'm like, so if we do that to Max, he's not going to bed, dude. He is not going to sleep that way. But they also have to figure it out. Their son is like total different speed than Max's. He's a little bit more Aurelius, he's loud, he's more aggressive, he's more physical like that, where he's got to expend that energy. And I think back to that video, I don't know if one of you guys were the ones that shared that, but I saw that viral video of Jordan Peterson talking about boys and, you know, and education and then making sure that you exhaust him. Like it's you think the kids are the boys are getting enough play. He's like, they're not. It's like you just when you think they need they've had enough, give them more and then give them more. Give them so much that you physically exhaust them. They need that. And you're saying that we just don't do that today society. We don't do that. That's true for a lot of kids, not all kids, but for a lot of kids. If you leave kids to their own devices and they're playing and having fun, they play until they're exhausted. They don't stop when they're not exhausted. Like I'm done. They keep going and going. Like if you've ever played with a kid in a pool or on a playground, like you're tired way before they are. They want to keep going and we don't do that. Like we tell like we expect these kids to sit in a chair, listen to someone for what, six hours, little kids and without doing that. Well, then you add to that and then they come home from a school like that. And then we allow them to sit on TV, video games or iPads. And it's like, dude, and then we wonder why they have this attention deficit disorder. It's like, well, maybe they they need to get a lot of this energy expended and they're not getting it throughout the day. And so it falls on us as parents to make sure it's funny. People understand this with pets. If you have a dog, right, right. And you don't go walk your dog, chew the shit out of your house. Yeah. And everybody knows like, oh, yeah, you got to go take your dog for some run and depending on the breed, right? You got to run a more or less or whatever. They're not like, here's a medication to show your dog out so you could not bite shit or whatever. Well, that was a thing. And it's like when we were even on vacation in Hawaii, it was like, OK, we're just going out. We're doing these things that are like physically taxing. You're getting a lot of sun, you know, or you're playing in the water. You're doing like they were so busy that like their behavior was amazing. That was like the best time ever, you know, with them. And it's like, dude, it you got to think that that has a massive. I mean, there's such a deficit there in that setting of education where it's like, if we could like combo the two together, get them as excited about learning while being physically active, you know, what a better result. I see a massive difference. I have the whole Max's entire journey so far, four years of going through this with him. Massive difference when I make an effort first thing in the morning, as soon as that sun is up to get outside, yeah, to get outside and play with him soon. And it doesn't have to be crazy. Just just get him out and let that sun hit on him and play around with him and be outside for a couple hours. His behavior, the rest of the day and his sleep that excuse me, that night. Well, that's proven. So in, you know, it's so funny, it's so funny, it's proven. And yet we still as parents don't a lot of times account for that. Your kid's acting out. He's doing some things that you don't go, at least I do now. I go like, oh, well, we haven't we didn't take him outside early this morning. We haven't we haven't played with him all that much. Like, of course, he's being a little shit right now because he needs to expend all that energy. So it's so important. Yeah, I got to bring us up. Those I mentioned why there was one like development, like so after you left, like we were getting coffee down at this place nearby. And it's one of these like food trucks and we're sitting there. And I'm sitting with the kids while Courtney's kind of going to grab the coffee. She's, you know, taking a while to come back. And I'm kind of looking around and then she comes back and this guy's kind of talking her ear off, following her over and he keeps talking to her and he's he's he's saying all these things about like Jupiter and like, you know, the whatever, like astrological things that tie into how many beneficial things are happening right now and blah, blah, blah. It's like all this like, you know, wizard voodoo, like astrology stuff, right? And I'm just like, oh, Lord, like roll my eyes, you know? And then he just keeps going on about it. And he's he's asking Courtney more questions. She's like she's totally being nice to but but not like, you know, cutting them off. You know, it was like he just he looked at that as an opening to keep talking. And so we ended up getting this pitch for like some fake bank that he basically was like promoting he has. He could get us loans and what all this stuff like he was literally he literally like went rambling on for so long that like I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whatever you're saying, like I am not interested. We are good and we're just trying to enjoy ourselves. I appreciate if you go, you know, I had to actually do that to the point. And I'm like, I got a bit of tolerance where I'm not going to be a total dick right away, but like he was like totally like sitting himself down. He was starting to write and I was like making fun of him as he's doing. And he's not getting any social cues, anything. He's writing his number down on this napkin and all this stuff. And he's trying to like sale these numbers and like financial terms and things to sound like he knows what he's talking about. And I'm like, this guy's so full of shit. And so anyways, like I'm like, we're out of here. Like he just wouldn't get the hint. And so we all just like kind of left and it just left a really bad impression on us. And he was doing this to also the people that were selling the coffee and like the business owners and trying to like scheme with them a bit. And all this what we noticed Courtney noticed and pointed it out. He had like a band on his arm that was like he's like basically like fresh out of the hospital and for two, he had mentioned like some details to us, like just super transparently like that his wife had kicked him out of the house and whatever. And like the cops were like after him and blah, blah, blah and all this stuff. And I'm just like, whoa, this guy, it was so much that I was just like all those details just kind of left me Courtney's very detail oriented. She remembered every single thing that she's like, wait a minute. I guess like he was running away. The cops from Sedona were looking for him. He's in Kauai and so she actually like filed like, called them and said, Hey, do you know this guy and this character? They're like, yes. Oh, wait. She remembered his exact like he's like, it's almost my birthday. And she's like, it was this thing. They looked at the records like that literally is his birthday. And it's so like, so he was honest. He was on, I mean, that was real. He's a con man. He's a legit con man that was like running around like Kauai, trying to basically just like hustle all these people to give them their financials. Wow. And so, so they're, they're like talking back and forth with Courtney and telling him about, I guess he's like domestic abuse, all this crazy stuff on his rap sheet. But it was great because the kids felt super uncomfortable and they were like describing it to me and like we were talking about it. And I'm like, pay attention to that. Pay attention to how people make you feel. And when you get an impression of them and like listen to your intuition, you know, and so that was like a good lesson. It's like, this guy literally is a criminal and he was just like, just decided to like push himself in our, in our sphere. You ever think about that? I always think about like, cause I had, I actually had family that was my, my grandfather on my mom's side was a like legit con artist in and out of prison, like her whole life. And I've always thought like, you know, how many times do you get, like, how many times you think you've encountered someone who's like a legit con artist and maybe just, maybe you did a good job of like, ah, I'm good. No, thank you. And you pass it up. But like, there's, there's a lot of people that are scammers and schemers and doing stuff like that. Like how many times has somebody potentially actually tried to target you? You don't even know it. Well, even, yeah. And the cops were saying like, well, I'm glad you didn't fall for it. I'm like, well, duh, it was like obvious, you know, but he's like, no, you'd be so surprised. Like how many people he's completely manipulated and have fell for it. Is music charismatic or something? No, he's just pushy. He's the pushy. Like, I mean, well, you, okay, but you have like a super. You're automatically scammed. You don't like some good people. Bullshit doesn't even stick for a second. Yeah, you're on the other extreme for sure. Well, I told you guys, I have a friend. I won't roll him under the bus on the podcast, but he's, he's, he's been a pathological liar since we were kids. He's still a friend of ours. We all have like this, you know, I don't know. He's like, got a piece of all of our hearts. Everybody puts up with his bullshit, but he fucking lies like unbelievably and you can't call him on a lie cause he's really good. You just don't even try. Yeah. So you just let, you just let him, and we just, oh, that's, you know, so-and-so, you know, we just say this, that's oh, so-and-so. That's just how he is. But he came here before and when he left, you guys are like, Hey, he's really smart guy, huh? No, bro. He is not, dude. He fucking is really good at bullshitting. Like he's just got that craft dude where, and he can have a conversation from politics to sports to business and really hold his own in a conversation with other really intelligent people. I've watched him do it. He's done it with me many a times and because I know him, I know he's full of shit, but he gets around other people and people all the time are like, Hey, man, I really like your buddy. Like he's, he's really a smart dude. I'm like, no dude, he's not. Still lives at home with his parents, bro. He's fucking 40s, 47 years old, ain't doing shit with his lives of that, but he bullshits all the fucking time. Like some people have that art dude. I'm usually suspicious of people anyway, but I remember once as a kid, this guy came up to our house. I was probably 15 or 16. He came up to our house to sell magazine subscriptions and he was kind of like fast talking my mom and this and that. And I don't know. It just seemed kind of suspicious to me. So I said, what high school? What's your teacher's name? Okay, I'll get a magazine as soon as I get in contact with you and the guy bolted. I remember my mom was so proud. Like, you spotted a con artist. You saved me from like, it felt so good, but he was totally bullshit. And that's obviously, you know, sometimes those people that come to your door nowadays, what they're doing is they're casing neighborhoods. Did you know that? Yeah. So I years ago, I got burglarized and when I didn't know this at the time, but it makes sense now, most burglaries don't have like in the movies, they happen at night, right? Middle of night. They don't do that in the middle of the day. Yeah. When people aren't home because they're at work. And what they do, what the police officer said they do, because it was a ring that they busted up here in the Bay Area not that long ago. What they'll do is they'll wear like a, like they look like they're with the electric company or they look like their plumber or whatever. Yeah. People are even questioning that. And they not, they ring doorbells and they see who's home, who's not home, what cars are in the driveway, what cars aren't in the driveway. And then they know when you're not home and when you're home. And then in the middle of the day, they'll go in and they'll break in and steal your shit. And they usually case nice neighborhoods because they know that they have stuff in the house. Somebody just did this recently where they got really far. Well, I know that one YouTube guy who famously got all the way into the Warriors stadium, their back entry level where all the players go because he looked kind of like Clay Thompson and he dressed like him. And just everybody just kind of like rushed it, let him go bold move. Yeah, just told, and then was he was shooting on the court and everything like that. I can't think of, you know who he is. It's a big dog TV. I think this is huge, huge. And he's been banned for life now. Somebody else just did something very similar where they pretended to be either like PG&E or something like that. And they just walked right through. What was it? It was something else. We all talked about it. They were carrying something ladder. Yes, you carry a ladder. That's what was gone. Nobody thinks the wiser. You can walk in the movie theater anywhere, apparently. Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, crazy. If you're a kid checking tickets. Why else would you have a ladder? You must be fixing. Yeah. Two dudes looking with like weight with like, you know, like tool belts and a ladder walk by. Oh, we're here to, you know, we're supposed to do some work. Are you gonna let him in? All right. Yeah, you're a teenage kid. You don't know any better. You know, it's so funny is if I would have known that fact as a teenage boy, I would have done that. My buddies and I would have done that for sure. I mean, is there's people that have crashed like the White House, right? Like with, with just like these parties and they've just blended in just enough to where they get through. Dude, I, I got to, so I don't want to say too much because this is a private story for, but, but I know somebody you want to hear something. This is one of the crazy, this is real. One of the craziest stories I've ever heard in my life. So you guys know how in California, I don't know if they still have this. They had the street through the three strikes law. Where if you commit three, I think, I don't know if it was misdemeanors or whatever. Three felonies. Was it three felonies? Yeah, three felonies. You go away for like, forever. Yeah, it was for life, right? Yeah, long time. So anyway, this person got caught twice doing something and had two felonies, career, criminal. Anyway, they would, they were burglarizing homes is what they did, went into this wealthy house, broke into a safe, stole a bunch of stuff and got away with it. Well, he had some, what do they call drives? What do they call where you store computer information? Scan disk or whatever. Like a hard drive or something like that. This is a crazy story. He went through it and saw like children being abused on the hard drive and he had this like moment where he's like, what do I do? So he tried to turn it in anonymously and found out that they can't persecute the person unless they have the person turn it in. Oh my God. And prosecute. If I turn it in, if I turn it in, I'm going to get my third strike. Is it a real story? This is a real story. No way. I swear to God. What are you, a nunnery? Really? He turned himself in. Wow. Turned himself in. Bro, if you're a judge, you've got to let that get in. Yeah, you got to wait. They didn't give him life, but he did have to spend some time in jail, but completely reformed himself. It was like a life-changing moment. Became a totally different person. It's almost like it. What a crazy story. It's almost like a lifetime move. It's still jelly out. Huh? Are they out? Yeah. And they're totally, I don't want to say too much. Let's interview them. No, I can. I don't even think they want to talk about it. Really? Yeah, I don't know. That's a good story. Isn't that crazy? It's a good story. Especially if they're reformed. Isn't that crazy? That's way crazy. Could you imagine like that he's... Oh, I can't imagine that. Like he had this kind of... Like he's like... Especially if you process that night, especially if you know you're going to get it. He's going to get it. Right, like you know... But there's kids, what do you do? Like, yeah, exactly. That's, I mean, imagine you're a criminal, okay, and you do something like that, and you 100% know like, I'm going to turn this in, and I'm getting time. It's just a matter of how much time I'm getting. Right. And what happened? Well, at the time it was three strikes, and that law, you could not appeal. Yeah, there was no exceptions, right? There was no exceptions. It was like those minimum sentence laws. Yeah. So he's like, I'm going to jail for life, but they did let him out after a certain period of time. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that is crazy. Speaking of the White House, I guess they found some cocaine on the house. Hey, before you came in, Justin and I were talking about this. Yes. What is worse, okay? Getting caught with cocaine at the White House or getting a blow job at the White House. Yeah, you get caught both times. Yeah, but what's... Yeah, but like in terms of... Okay, well, let me say our opinion, but like the public perception, it seems interesting which one they would weigh is like a worse offense. Doug made a good point. What was your point, Doug? You said... Well, it's job performance, right? So what's going to improve job performance and what's going to cause your job performance to go down? You know? Well, that's all right. It depends on the person, though, right? Yeah, I was like, you know, you can be pretty productive on cocaine. You can, it's true. You know what I'm saying? But also you can be... Make bad decisions. Make real highly of yourself and do things... Make bad decisions. Biden needs some cocaine. Have you ever heard him talk? He's crazy. Give me that guy some. Um, I think the blow job would be worse because he's, you know, because obviously... Oh, he's worse. Well, because it's... You're talking about Bill Clinton. Because it's with another person. It's with another person who worked for him. He's already... He's also married. Let's pretend there was two presidents that did both these things. Okay, let's just pretend it was two presidents that did both those things. I think the public would view the cocaine as worse, to be honest with you. You think? I do. I think they would view the drug of these things. Maybe now, I think maybe culturally, like, back when that happened, I think it was probably the opposite. I think people expect... What do you think? I think people expect to a certain degree that powerful men... I mean, like, what do you think? What do you mean? About the cocaine and the blow job. Well, I mean... I don't really care. We don't know who had the cocaine, but we kind of know. I mean, I said, let's pretend... Let's pretend like it's... You know what's funny? Me, by the way, can we kill you? We don't know whose cocaine it was. Really? Right. The White House? There's not a camera everywhere? They're trying to throw everybody on the bus with this, too. Come on, they know. There's cameras everywhere. No, it was in the conference room where the vice president is. Of course they know, but I mean, like... They lost the film. I bet there is a higher percentage of people in the White House that do cocaine than don't. Probably, I mean... You're a politician, dude. Right. Okay? A career politician. Yeah. Do you think more of them cheat on their spouses or more of them do cocaine? Ooh, that's more cheat. Because a lot of... And this is my little bit of experience with politicians and stuff like that. I had a close intimate friend that was close to a presidential candidate a while back. And one of the things that she told me that was really interesting and fascinating, and she said that the candidate at that time was telling her, they have this unsaid code that you don't talk about side pieces and wives and families because everybody has like their political family. Oh, like this is what looks good? Yeah. And a lot of times, that's not even the real wife, the real family or anything. That is literally like this person. And they met years ago and it was like... It was an agreement. Almost like House of Cards. House of Cards. And I thought House of Cards depicted that really accurately. And I knew about that before that show came out. I remember seeing it, I'm like, oh, shit, man. I wonder if that really is that accurate. And I've heard random stuff about presidents that we've had that their families, that everybody thinks they know about, aren't even like their real families. And they have families in other places that they keep on the hush. And this is their political wife that everybody sees. Did you guys see the video of... So obviously we're alluding to Hunter Biden, right? Because he had all those pictures of him smoking tobacco and doing shit. Yeah. And did you see the video that... I would never guess. Did you see the video that was released of him driving 174 miles an hour on the freeway smoking crack? You didn't see that? Did you see that? Yeah, I did. I saw it. Yeah. No, I didn't see the video. It's too much. Could you imagine if you're the president, that's your kid. I'll be like, listen, I'm gonna have to beat the shit out of you right now. Like I'm literally gonna have to physically beat the crap out of you because you're such... Well, we're only about a decade away from WWF wrestlers being our president. So just ride around the corner from that. Dude, we're fucking... And that would be an upgrade. Dude, we're right around the corner from that. It's coming, so get ready. Well, I think that the reason why all this stuff is coming out about Hunter, because before obviously they suppressed the hell out of it. We all know that now, right? They said it was fake and whatever. It was all real. But I think that it's all coming out because I think the Democrats don't want Joe Biden to run again. And they're gonna try to... Because he's not gonna win. He can't win. He's too... Or both parties are colluding and they wanna keep him there so he's gonna lose anyway and then Trump's gonna win. I don't think so. Yeah, I think they want Biden out and they're probably gonna say, hey, look, we'll let your son off easy, which they did. But you gotta step down because we're gonna primary these people who we think will win because we think you're gonna lose. I thought Justin had it on the head. They're trying to position the cocaine at Camila because it's right next to her car, right? No, they said the place it was at was near the... Yeah, you didn't hear that? Yeah, they started to push it in that direction. She's disposable. Like it was in the conference room or something. Changed rooms where they found it. Because it's closer to the vice president. They're like, come here, we're gonna have to... Can we have a quick... Well, I hear real quick where they can pull your son. It's sad, or like... You're gonna have to take a fall for the cocaine. Wasn't the pull in terms of like, likeability for her or like... Terrible. It's a record. Both, isn't the both, her and Biden have been a record. I don't know if he's been a record, but it's terrible. Oh, really? He's not the all-time worst? I don't know. It would be hard to beat Nixon. Can you look that up, Doug? Nixon gets him. All-time worst polling presidents. Yeah, all... I'd like to see what those are. Any guesses as they're coming up? Top three? Nixon's gotta be up there. He has to be up there. I'm about to croak. Watergate just... Watergate was a real big deal back there. Yeah, destroyed him. And he actually stepped down. God, what was his... Top three, come on. Ford Duck says it. Hoover? What was it? He was blamed a lot for the Great Depression. Woodrow Wilson? I don't know. Was he one that was... Let's see if I got two of them. I'm not sure. Responsible for like the Federal Reserve on... Was that on his term? I don't know. Might have been. What do you got there, Doug? Well, they have high approval ratings and they're lowest. Yeah, what are the lowest presidential approval ratings in history? I mean, George W. Bush went down to 19%. At one point. Yeah. Oh, you know what? Probably that was before September 11th. After September 11th, his approval went up. Even Trump's lowest was 29%. Biden 31%. So Biden wasn't the lowest. Okay, I thought Biden was the lowest. I didn't know that. Richard Nixon was down to 23%. Oh, wow. So he was in his lowest Bush, huh? No, Bush is the worst. Wow. Yeah. I didn't know that. I know the funny thing is the highest... What did he do that was the pipeline stuff that was going on around? What was going on at that time that was so bad that he got that bad or... Huh? 2008. Oh, what? So the polling was done from the 19%ers in 2008. Oh, this was after the crash. No, no, no. You know why Iraq was very unpopular? Well, yeah. And they didn't find any weapons. They didn't find any weapons. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. You know who had the highest? And the economy crashed. You know who had the highest approval rating of all time for presidents? George W. Bush, 19%. After what? The irony. The irony of that. Let me guess, after September 11th, when he was a bunch of fucking sheep we are. When he was fucking so easy, we could go for, he's the worst. He's the best. Fucking... Did that suck? 99% was a 91. That is so bad. Oh, his dad. That's his dad. Oh, is it his dad? Oh, HW? No, no, that's George W. Bro, that is so bad. Okay. What does that say about us? That we could, that we would literally make, rate you as the worst ever. And then in the same year or two, within two years, we rate you as the best ever. You wanna know what I heard recently? I heard a candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy, I think. I like actually like some of the stuff. I like Vivek also. Very intelligent. He said that he wants to propose where they do an amendment, which good luck doing that. But anyway, it's an idea, right? Where you, in order to vote, you have to pass a civics test, just like everybody becomes... I've been saying this forever. A naturalized citizen, or you have to serve in another area. You should all over that idea, when I said that. A lot of countries do that. I said that way back when... You said you have to pay taxes. No, I said, I had a bunch of different options. I'm like, or make it like you have to pass a test. You should be able to, you have to pass the, you should be a certain IQ level to vote on our president. So I could see it now that? No, because that'll never fly. But it's civics test makes sense. It's the same thing that we have, like when my dad became a citizen or my grandfather or whatever, they had to pass a particular test to become a citizen. Average American. Yeah, that was my point of that though. That was my point I was making. It's like you should have some sort of like basic comprehension of politics and legislation and what they're trying to pass, what they're like, basic. Like very basic before you should be able to vote. And I would throw myself in that. If I can't pass the test, I shouldn't get to vote. Did you see some politicians, there's politicians who are like, we need to make voting so easy that you just do it online. What a disaster with that. Could you imagine? I can't, look, I mean, that was a perfect example of that with W. The fact that he could be rated the worst and the best in the same sitting. Come on. That just shows you how easily we're manipulating. I know. Come on. I know, I know. Terrible. Anyway, I'm gonna take a turn here. You turn. Yeah, so. We take a lot of left turns. I know, let's go right. So I, you know, every once in a while, you know, if you do something and it may be attached to like a bad connection you have to something and you think, but it turned out great. I have a situation that happened where I have a weird relationship with supplements and exercise or whatever everybody knows this. I've been taking creatine pretty consistently, mostly daily, almost daily, since I was 16, nonstop. Nonstop, almost nonstop, taking it since I was 16. And it's the role of the dice, right? Supplement first come out. You're gonna take this every day. Is it gonna hurt you? Is it not gonna hurt you at the time I didn't care? It makes me stronger, so I'm gonna take it every day. Turns out I did something pretty awesome. The creatine one. The creatine. It was- Did you share this? Well, I, what, this, the, how it's good for- Yeah, that's something to do with the liver, right? I didn't, I don't think I talked about it. No, I'm sure. Oh, I thought you did. No, I think I told you guys all fair. I didn't hear you say it, yeah. So for it's neuroprotective, it's good for preventing and maybe even helping with fatty liver disease or liver function, heart health. It's a, it helps with methylation, which is a very vital process in the body. So, you know, I get blood work done and my numbers always come back and it really doesn't, I mean, I could be on all kinds of peptides, something whatever. I could have, you know, drink, you know, on a vacation, get blood tests and numbers always come out great. And I'm like, this is really weird. Like I would expect to see, I wonder if it's the creatine I've been taking since I was 16 every single day. It's got such beneficial effects. There's so many studies coming out and showing its beneficial effects and not just muscle, but your organs. It's a health supplement. Big time. It's so strange, yeah. Big time. How funny is it that it's gonna be, I bet I was for sure it'll become that market at that more than even building muscle. That's a bigger market, right? Health is a much bigger market than just building muscle. It's probably the single healthiest, besides filling a nutrient deficiency. It's gotta be the single healthiest supplement you could take, period. I remember when they first came out. They told us the scare around it. Building up in your gut and then you'd have like, I remember. Bad for the kidneys. Yeah, picturing mounds of it. It's in my stomach. It's like, remember they painted it in that light. You know my favorite? I saw a comment talking shit about you on YouTube the other day. About me? Yeah, you. They were talking about you and your supplements. He said, I love to watch Sal do his mental gymnastics to do it for, to make. Justify? Yeah, justify. Yeah, it's supplement use. I'm very. We all have our things, dude. I'm very. I mean, that's why you can't, you can't. Here's something I'll tell the audience. Don't ever idolize a human. And this goes for anybody. And if they're in the fitness space, don't idolize them as like Jesus of health and fitness or whatever. Many of the things that we communicate or especially, well, I'll communicate are things that I identify in myself. And I can communicate them well to other people, but it's still a challenge even for myself. So I'll still have challenges with taking too many supplements, abusing them or stimulants or whatever. And that's just. Well, imagine like, keep it up off a side that you're like just this health guru, like your perfect person and you're going out and you're at some nice dinner. You have a drinks and you're having a good time. And then like your fan sees you like, oh, I just disgusted in you. It's one of the things. I'm a human. One of the things I'm most proud of that we did was leading from that vulnerable place, right? Of leading with our flaws and admitting with the things that we don't do well, what we struggle with. Most of the things that we've learned, it's cause we did it the wrong way. Like I just think that there's a lot of people that promote themselves online that promote this facade. And I just think that even if that works to get you a lot of attention and make a lot of money in the short term, it has to be torturous to live that way forever. And then also live in fear of like, oh my God, what if they find out that I do this and I do that and I don't do this all the time. It wasn't our vegan influencer, like a vacation. There's lots of pictures of them eating chicken or something. There's lots of examples of that where people get caught up and it's like they hammers it. I mean, could you imagine if you saw Carnivore Med having a French fry? Yeah. I mean, like he would be just, he would be- They're destroyers. And how shitty that's gotta be to be somebody who doesn't get to have a French fry for the rest of your life because you went so ham in that direction because you went so hard in that direction that- You just chopped all this potential off. If someone saw you do that, they would absolutely crucify you. Well, let the truth be told, we learned this as personal trainers. All of us independently learned this, that I was a much more effective trainer as defined by my clients kind of hearing what I have to say and trying what I'm suggesting. When they viewed me as a human with flaws versus this perfect fit trainer who did everything right. And I remember, it took me a couple of years or a few years to figure that out that I want to communicate like the realness of like, yeah, it's hard for everybody. This is what I struggle with, whatever. I was more effective because they could connect more with me. They actually helped me be a better trainer. So I learned that through, I know all of us. You're relatable. All of us learned that through training. But then to what you're saying, Adam, especially if you're a public, you know, on social media, like, okay, good luck. Do we have any time to talk about conspiracy stuff? Oh, we have to. I feel like we haven't done it. What you got? And the people want it, Sal. Give the people what they want. What do you got? You guys see that video? I know Justin has. There was a video. No, I didn't, so tell me. Okay, so it's on an airplane. You saw it. Oh. The woman- That one I saw. That's falling on a conspiracy thing now. Well, that really happened. That did happen. Well, yeah, but like, that's okay. But for context, like in terms of like, what she's talking about, I think that's where the- So I've- Okay, it sucks that I can't shout. I feel so bad. I'm not gonna shout at homeboy out. He's from Houston, Texas. He's got a killer gym. We met him at the NCI event and we met him and his team. He had great energy. I started following him afterwards. I wish I could remember is the name of his business and handle, so I'll figure it out. Hopefully he'll hear this and someone will reach out to me. It was his video that went viral and I actually, I follow him, so I actually saw him post it first and talk about it. He made this big old rant about like, you know, if you wake up one day and you're feeling crazy, keep crazy at home because the rest of us have lied, like it ruined his day. Like he didn't fly that day because they delayed the flight for four hours. Well, so it went viral, not because a woman looks crazy, but because she doesn't look crazy. She's walking up from the back of the plane and she's like, that person is not real, very convicted. I'm not going back there. That is not a real person. Then another video, so that one went viral. She's like, I don't give a, if you don't believe me, you know, and she's just like adamant that what she saw was real. Yeah, and so then another video comes out with an English guy, I think it was something similar. Get me off this plane. That person's not real. And then something about how his eyes blinked vertically. Yeah, so instead of blinking like this to it like this. Now someone took a picture of the guy, they think the guy that that woman was talking to and they zoomed in on his eyes and it didn't look right. I got to see that picture. I haven't seen it yet. It doesn't look right. So someone's got to know who that girl is cause she went viral. So it would love to hear like her history. So the conspiracy theory is around. She has episodes or things like, you know, like. And the theory is around the long standing conspiracy theory that they're shape shifting lizard people. You see funny YouTube videos about it. Cause if that video okay, I mean, cause the lady does seem like she, I mean, you guys are saying she's kind of normal but she does seem like she's a little crazy. But I mean, if you got that scared, you would look a little crazy, right? I mean, that's kind of how you'd act. I guess that's how I look at it. Yeah, yeah. So it is kind of how you would act. So the real question is cause if that was like Katrina who did that, I would freak to fuck out. Yeah, cause you know who your wife is. I know that she's not like that at all. And for her to feel that convicted that she's going to get off a plane and do that, like I would be scared of death. So it would be really interesting to know somebody who knows her and how they feel about her character because someone who is kind of crazy and does crazy shit like that they would also be liable to probably do something like that. But if it's like- I gotta sneak another one in here. And I don't know how recent this was or not, but yeah, this isn't tying into the whole like moon landing stuff and all that, but it's with Buzz Aldred. Oh. And so he actually had made a trip to Antarctica and he's like in his late 80s, right? And he went down there to I guess explore the South Pole and I guess there's a part of the South Pole where there's, I mean, now this part is I think somewhat conspiracy or if you could actually see this on Google Earth or not that there's like a part of a formation of rocks that looks kind of like a pyramid. And so like what he, what the weird part is that I wanted to kind of bring up was his weird tweet. So after, so basically what happened, they had to end his trip short because I mean, he's old. And so he had like, I think he had like a cardiac arrest or he had some kind of episode that like just shut it down. But of the conspiracy of it is, is that he saw something so scary that it like caused him to have like an episode. And so because here's the tweet, like after his trip, it said, we are all in danger. It is evil itself. Well, that's it? That's his tweet. He tweets out to the world. Yeah. Like, what the heck is he talking about? That is weird. Uh-oh. Right? Like I just was like trying to think about that. I'm like, I mean, is it real? Is it, I mean, and here's the problem is like all these dumb websites like Snopes and all these things are like totally like compromise. Like, I don't trust like barely any of these websites that like are so called, you know. Debunkers. Yeah, debunkers. Like give me a break. Like I've seen what you did through the whole COVID stuff. So yeah, like, so I don't, I don't know, but at the same time, this is real tweet. Like, why would you say that? Yeah, what is that? Yeah, that's weird. Isn't that, that's freaky. That is so weird. By the way, you could go, you can find videos on YouTube and people have made compilations of celebrities and politicians shape shifting in strange ways. Oh, I've seen it. I've seen it. Like Katy Perry. I've seen it. Well, yeah, there's just weird, weird stuff, you know. So I don't, I mean, I think lizard people are shit now. The truth is out there. Boy, if that was true. There's a pyramid in Antarctica. Yeah, I didn't know that. What? Yeah, yeah. Why are pyramids so common around the world? The cultures that never saw each other connect or contact or contact with each other. Just, yeah, just think about that for a bit. Well, here's the thing. Okay, now you're going to get into my sort of like a thought process. Okay, go, go back. Could you please, if we're going to do this past the joint, come on. Like I would love to, but I'd love to. I mean, I think we've been running too long here for me to really get into this. But yeah, so the thing is they keep finding these cultures that were like predates all of the history that we've already been taught, right? And so it's like my thought process is that we're just, we're just like all of the cultures after that we're just like copying and trying to replicate what was already there that got wiped out. Which was way more advanced than we gave it credit for. So that would be like my summary. I mean, that's really like Graham Hancock stuff, right? I mean, he's like the main guy who like. He's as close to an alignment of how I've been thinking for him. Bro, there's ancient like cave paintings and drawings of what looked like the graves, which are the aliens that everybody knows, or UFOs like very strangely, which is really weird. There's lots of weird shit out there. That's all I'm saying. It's getting weirder. Well, who knows, broken simulation. I'm pretty sure you guys aren't lizards. Who would be the most like Doug? Doug would be the most like, I'm not sure Doug. He's the only one that doesn't age. Yeah. Or reverse ageing. He's a Benjamin Button syndrome. For sure, he's the most likely. So I saw him eating ice cream one time and his tongue just went licked. Pay attention, you guys. It was fly flavor. I saw him, he was laying on a big boulder naked one time in the sun. Hey, I have I got a cool shout out. This was actually really neat. This happened just a couple of two days ago. I think it happened. So a lot of times you'll hear music in the background at my house when I'm barbecuing and stuff like that on my Instagram stories. And I've been on this kick. I have a playlist that I shared to Teddy Swim's playlist. He's got a bunch of different random songs, a lot of country music on there that I like. And so it's been playing in the background a lot. And I got a DM the other day that I actually opened and read because I don't open a lot of those these days. And I opened it up and it says, hey, I see your playlist and I see you listen to Russell Dickerson. I'm a huge fan. He's one of my favorite country singers. Did you know that he's a big fan of Mind Pump? And I'm like, no, I had no idea. She sends me a YouTube clip of Russell Dickerson on YouTube and he's got a video of him and he shouts out, I think he's following our Maps 15 program. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, I know. So then I sent over a message to him and found out we have a mutual friend and my buddy, I text my buddy who's got his personal number and stuff like that. And then he texts him and then we're all in a group thread texting each other back and forth. But I've been listening to his music for at least a year, if not two years, and love his stuff. And then to hear that he's a big Mind Pump fan, I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. What's his page? Let's give him a shout out. Russell, I think is what it is. R-U-S-S-E-L-L-E-D. Yes. That's it right there. 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Cover your feet, or at least don't do it in public. Cover them ugly-ass feet. No, there's some qualifiers, OK? If you're always wearing shoes, you always walk in shoes, and then you decide you're going to take your shoes off and try to do strength training with bare feet. Understand that your feet are covered in muscles. There's some mobility in your feet. Your feet have to stabilize you. And if your body has learned how to stabilize with shoes on and you take them off, it's like all of a sudden you're lifting. You always lift with a weight belt, and then you take it off. It could make your exercises actually dangerous. So not a good idea to go from wearing shoes all the time, then just randomly going barefoot, using the same weight, training how you always... Sitting on the couch to all of a sudden sprinting. That's a bad idea. You're going to hurt yourself. So if you want to try to train barefoot, go way lighter, way less intensity, and give yourself a long time to get better at training with your feet being barefoot. And also include feet strengthening exercises and articulations, that kind of stuff, because they play a very big role in stabilization and in support and ankle mobility, which then contributes to knee function, hip function, and so on. So don't just go barefoot all of a sudden. Yeah, it's the same advice that we give with anything, right? But we always talk about doing the least amount possible, list the most amount of change. The same thing would go for this. You going from never working out barefoot to doing full one-hour routines of your normal training session would destroy your feet. There's no reason to do that. I remember when I got on this kick, and when I started to just... So back when I used to have the Bulldogs, we basically walked around the block one time. And so it started with I would get home, take my shoes off, and then just be barefoot in my house the rest of the day. I would go outside, I'd walk the dogs around the block. Yeah, but you were also, you have to tell them that you were intentional though. It wasn't like you just walked barefoot. You focused on... Yeah, I mean, that's the idea, right? If you're trying to work on a better connection to your feet, then doing walking with intent is the way to go. The same way that you would work out with intent, right? Not just moving your arm, flailing your arms around, right? The same thing goes with your feet. And then even as stupid as it may sound, but I would be barefoot at home when I would be gripping the carpet and playing around with stuff or I'd try to pick a toy up with my foot. And I think just incorporating it into your day like that. Blushing Katrina's hair. And it's just my teeth. Eating dinner, you know. No, no, so I just slowly... I actually think the workout was one of the last places that I went, right? Cause that's more intense. Loading a barbell back squat barefoot is way more intense than just walking around outside barefoot. And so the first step to me was if I wear shoes 80% of the time, well, let's wear shoes 50% of the time. And then let's wear shoes 30% of the time. And then now let's sort of do things like intentional walking the dogs and picking stuff up while I'm in my house. And then eventually it was, oh, I barefoot four and I do one exercise barefoot. And then I do a workout. And so just build up to it. That's all. You don't wanna go make the mistake that some people do. They put those barefoot shoes on. They go for runs the first time they do it. Remember when that happened? There was that book that came out that showed. Born to Run, I believe. Yeah. And it was the guy went and studied cultures that run their whole lives. They don't run with shoes on. He watched how the foot struck the ground and your foot and your body does strike the ground differently barefoot than it would with shoes on. Like the foot and the ankle or shock absorbers. Whereas when you wear big cushy running shoes, you end up using the shoe as a shock absorber with your heel. And what a lot of people did is they read that book. They threw their shoes away and went running immediately barefoot and injuries galore. Because their bodies had learned how to move with shoes. You can't transition that quickly. In fact, you can't even transition like at a medium pace. This takes a long time. This takes a very long time. Like it took you to do workouts, full workouts barefoot like a year. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean to kind of, okay, we got the precautionary kind of information out there, but like once you get to the point where you have like established that you're able to walk around barefoot comfortably. You're getting stronger. You're doing the articulations. You start to kind of make your way towards the gym. And like I started to do lunges. I started to do a lot of like leg exercises and then start to start losing my back a little heavier with the squat rack. And what I didn't notice was just how much more anchored I was and how much better in terms of like the actual mechanics of the squat got for me. Because just like anything else, if you have, if it's that feedback that your body is more secure and your joints are more accounted for, like so if your feet are actually stronger, it's going to support your ankle. It's going to work its way all the way up the kinetic chain. Everything's going to respond more appropriately and there's not going to be as much dysfunction. Cause really, I mean, this is one of those things I think is, I wish we would have learned to focus more on the feet as trainers earlier in my career. Well, it's weird. It's like, this is how I get people to understand it. Imagine if from the age of one till now, you wore gloves. Snow gloves. Snow gloves for 90% of the time you use your hands. Imagine how much loss of function, articulation, control, strength, you would have in your hands. Well, that's what we've done with our feet. In fact, when we were kids, they don't do this anymore, but when we were kids, they encouraged parents to put shoes on that were really stiff sold and a lot of support is what they would say. Oh, it helps your toddler walk. We still got stupid stuff. And what it does is it actually trains your body to move differently. I like talking about this because I got into a lot of stuff with family with my son because I was very adamant about no shoes and they, everybody tried to freak out on me. Like he's made of glass. Like he can't walk on gravel barefoot. It's like the reason why walking gravel hurts like hell for you is cause you can't cause you're weak ass feet. If he learns to do that early, he can handle that. It's not that crazy. It's not like he's gonna cut himself or hurt himself by walking on some gravel or dirt. It's that you guys have learned, you guys have taught your feet to go to sleep by putting them in socks and shoes your whole entire life. So, you know, a good way to kind of introduce it into the training, what I did, I was going through mass performance at that time is I made all the mobility workouts barefoot. Cause it's all barefoot. I mean, it's all body weight, right? So you're doing all these mobility moves and that's all mobility is all about getting connected. So I love doing all of that first barefoot and then starting to introduce the weight training. So if you've never ran, if this is something you want to do, you haven't ran or you haven't done in performance in a long time, that's a good way to introduce barefoot training before you start loading the barbell with bare feet. Do mobility sessions barefoot. Yeah, by the way, the worst demographic, what I mean by worst is the demographic of people that will require the longest transitionary time from shoes to barefoot are women that wear heels a lot. So if you wear heels a lot, you have a professional job, you're always in heels or pumps. There's another level that you have to work through which is now you got to get used to walking with flat shoes and then barefoot. And you may find you'll get plantar fasciatus and tight achilles because your body's acclimated to walking with your heel elevated. Isn't it ironic that the popularity of heels, I'm assuming had a lot to do with how curvy and shapely it made the legs and butt look on women? Yeah, it makes the pelvis and anterior tilt. And it actually makes them more quad dominant and almost impossible for them to build their butt. I'm gonna find it. Yeah. It's kind of ironic when you think about it, right? That we- It props it up, but it doesn't actually build it. Yeah, because when they're up on their tippy toes and they're calves and they're hamstrings. They need more knee extension when you squat. Yeah, so it takes you, instantaneously you look a little bit better than your heels, but then it actually crutches you when it comes to trying to build the butt because now you've become so quad dominant, you go to do squats, deadlifts, these movements that are supposed to build the butt and you end up just developing your quads. There's a huge group of women that struggle with that for that reason. Next question is from Andy Lash. You guys have been consistently positive about sled work. What is the best way to add it to something like MAPS anabolic? Yeah, so the cool thing about sled work is it's a low skill, high value, low damage, low risk exercise. Very few exercises kind of have all that put together. Low skill because almost anybody can push a sled, okay? It doesn't cause a lot of damage because there's not a negative portion of the rep, like lowering the weight, it's all positive and the negative causes a lot of damage and it's very functional, there's lots of carryover. So what that does is it allows you to add it to your workouts without adding necessarily too much volume or damage and requiring too much recovery or more recovery. So where would you add this on a program like MAPS anabolic or any other program? If you feel like you can handle more volume, adding a few sets to the end of your leg workouts or even at the beginning of your leg workouts with sled work, it's gonna require a little bit more recovery, but not a ton. And so it's one of those exercises that a lot of people can add and gain benefit. I did this, so I actually have a personal protocol, how I added it to MAPS anabolic. So we talk a lot about, you know, as kind of fitness enthusiasts, we always kind of teeter on, you know, pushing the limits and or we're always, you know, pushing that line or finding that line of overtraining, right? So I would add the sled in like this. So if it was a week where I did a really good job of keeping two in the tank, not overreaching, then I would add it to a workout somewhere, couple, like maybe two rounds or three rounds of sled drives at the end of my workout. If I had a week where I overreached on squats, maybe I was kind of pushing a PR a little bit or did an extra set or did a little too much and I fell, I was like, oh man, I'm more sore than I need to be, then I would actually replace like front squats, the next, because we have like a lot of times back squats and front squats in the week, I would replace the front squats with sled drives instead. So I would use it as a way to either one, increase volume and intensity for my week because I did a good job of pulling back on the other days of legs. Or if it was a day when I, or a week where I knew I overreached, I would actually replace it with a more taxing exercise, like let's say barbell back squats or front squats. I do the same, especially replacing it when, let's say there's been a few weeks or a week or so I've had off to where I'm trying to ramp back or like if it's like a client of mine that hasn't really trained legs heavy in a long time, like that's a great place to start in terms of like just reintroducing their legs to getting that kind of contraction and getting them to respond. So it's really valuable for that to just add in that kind of practice and volume. Yeah, at the moment, I would say I probably do sled work instead of traditional barbell work every third week, I would say. And it just keeps my joints healthy. I have no loss in performance and strength. See, I feel like anytime my joints talk to me, where it's like you notice that like you've been pushing it for a couple of weeks and you're like, I need to have a week where I'm back off to back squats. That's exactly how I use it. Like I gave the example of it being week to week but sometimes it would look like that, right? I have two, three weeks in a row of like consistent barbell work and then it never fails. I always overreach a little bit and then that was always my signal of, oh, this week I'm going to do sled work instead of doing barbell. Well, and also just to like kind of add in as far as our programs and stuff like we did add in our maps of cardio has programmed in sled and we did that intentionally so you get that kind of cardiovascular output that without the irony is like we didn't program any running really in maps cardio. No, that's for people who do themselves because you just run but you just do that, yeah. Next question is from eMorse1440. Why does it maps Prime Pro include knees? I love this one. Is it because most knee issues are actually hip and ankle issues? Are you considering adding knees to the program in the future? Yeah, it's okay. So you can't, there is no mobility knees. So okay, strengthen your clods and your hamstrings which both flex and extend the knee contribute to healthy knees. But if you have kind of chronic knee pain and you can't figure out what's kind of what's going on, it's coming from mobility or stability issues in the ankle to the hip. Always, always. Because the knee flexes and extends. It just, it does, that's it. It's a hinge. And then the only other condition where you have a knee issue that is not related to that if you had an acute injury. If someone takes a baseball bat to your knee cap. Or you twisted your knee or something like that. Your knee cap, it's not lacking knee mobility work there. It just needs to heal and recover. So if you got knee issues that's acute there is no knee mobility stuff that you're going to do. It's just rest and recover. If you have chronic knee pain it is always related to either ankle or hip. That's it, because just so people understand if you look at the knee, it bends and it extends. That's it. It doesn't rotate. I mean, there's a little bit of give but that's because the ligaments and tendons allow that. There's no muscles. You're stretching it. There's no movement or muscles that rotate the knee or bend it laterally. It only flexes and extends. That's it. But the ankle, it rotates, it bends laterally. It flexes, it extends. It's very mobile in that sense. The hip, even more so. So what happens when you're doing squats or lunges or deadlifts or any other exercise that uses the lower body if the hips or the ankles are not working optimally then what happens with the knee is the ligaments start to support the load. The lateral ligaments or the ligaments that prevent the knee from twisting. Like let's say you do a squat and your ankle is too tight and what ends up happening when that happens is your foot will start to turn out as you squat. Well, that turning out, your hip can handle but your knee, that places a strain on the meniscus in particular. So you're like, my knee hurts when I squat. Well, it's not the knee, it's coming from the ankle or maybe from the hip. So when you look at MAPS Prime Pro it's got every joint except the knee in there because you want to get better knees. We got to work on the ankles, the foot and the hip. Next question is from local noon enterprises. What is the number one thing to keep in mind when training seniors, 70 plus who have never weight trained before? Okay, it's the same thing that you keep in mind when training anybody but you have to be far more conscious and considerate when you're training people in this age group, which is you must train them appropriately. What does that mean? It doesn't take much at all to get a senior who's never weight trained before to get their body to send a signal to get it to get stronger or improve its fitness, okay? And for a trainer or somebody who's not experienced with this they almost always overdo it because you get a senior who's 70 you sit them down on the bench and you say, okay, let's have you sit up and stand up and sit down and we'll do that as an exercise. It's like a box squat with no weight, right? Very good traditional exercise to do with a senior. And then they'll have the person go until the person gets tired and they'll be like, oh, that was appropriate. You overdid it. Yeah, you overdid it. Because the most that this person who never exercises in this age group gets up and sits down is like one. Like they'll do it when they watch TV. No, like literally think about it from mathematical or volume, right? Like they probably get out of their bed once they get off the toilet maybe twice. They probably get in and out of their car twice, you know? So they literally do that body weights squat. And it's not like all at once. Yeah, five to six times with huge respirations in between. So you're doing 15 that in a row. You hammered them. Yeah, it's already like that. You just have to think that way. It's like you have to find and that's why your point of, I mean, it's the same as the advice is kind of the same for anybody is meeting them where they're at because you could also have a 70 year old who still water skis, deadlifts. Very active. Yeah, very active, does a lot of physical stuff. It's very different. Yeah, and that person has a total difference. And that matters more than 70, right? What matters more is what does this person do? On the fragile they are, how like equipped they still are. And how long have they been this way for how many years? Like if you've been relatively sedentary with no weight training, no real physical activity for decades, like boy, this is gonna be a really sensitive person. I'm not gonna have to do it with hardly anything. Very gradual process. Yeah, but if there's a 70 year old who has been very physical most of their life and now they're wanting to really pick up strength training, well, maybe I can start them somewhere else. I'll give you an example. This is general. So obviously there's a difference between individuals, but I'm gonna give you a general starter, beginner workout for someone in this age group. Because at some point this became like 30% of my clients because I trained doctors, they'd send me to their clients or their patients. So I had a lot of clients that were like 65 to 85 at one point. And I loved training, it was always real fun. And so here's a general like workout for somebody who just hired me, who's never strength trained, who's in this age group. I would do this. I'd have them come in and I'd have them sit down on the bench. I'd watch how they sit down. Then I would adjust the height of the bench with like foam pads. And the first exercise would be to sit down with control and stand up. And we would do like three to five reps. We'd rest three to five minutes. And then we'd do like another one or two of those. Literally that's it. And they think they could probably do 10 or 15, but I do like three to five. Then the next exercise, literally, I'd have them sit up real tall. I put my hand between their shoulder blades and I have them squeeze their shoulder blades back as hard as they could, hold it for two seconds, and then relax. And we would do that like six to eight times and we'd rest three to five minutes and repeat that a couple more times. And then the third exercise, okay, this would be the last exercise, is that I have them sit up real tall. I'd have them take their hand with their thumb kind of pointing up like they're gonna hitchhike, but they're on straight. And I'd have them come back and go as high and straight as they possibly could and hold that for like three to five seconds and then bring it back down. We'd do like four reps of that. So you'll notice there was no weight involved in the upper body exercises at all. And that would be it. Simplicity is king in going very slow and intentional with every one of these movements and allowing them to feel their way through it, communicate through it. Like, I mean, that's really the utmost intention because it's really about how they're gonna feel the next day, you know? And like you gotta really be sensitive to how to gauge that. And also I've found that, you know, a good way to motivate them during the sets is a Werther's Ritual. You guys, you place it, just reach out and pick that up. Okay, and move it like six inches. Doing a good job. All right, get that good. Good job. Hey, no, the first phase of map symmetry is a great place for some of them. It's too much volume, but it's a good place to look. So if you are a trainer, I'm assuming this is a trainer who's asking this, I would own that program. I would own a Prime Pro and I would have Starter. I think a blend of all the exercises and things we have in there. And then of course still applying that original rule that we said of meet them where they're at because that could be literally, you know, getting up and down 10 times. Now, what I'm about to say is gonna sound outside of the scope of personal training, but I believe it to be within the scope because if you really believe your job is to improve the health of an individual, then that is, you know, it's more than just exercise and nutrition. And so what we would do in between sets would be a lot of conversation. And I would ask a lot of questions and I believe it really did contribute to their improvements in health because many of these people in this age group had very little interaction with people. Some of them lived on their own or they had a caretaker and their families didn't visit them except for maybe once a week. And they'd come in between sets, we'd talk and ask them questions. And by the way, people in this age group, I know you're making the joke about the word that was original or whatever, but if they're sharp. That wasn't a joke. And I like them too, by the way, I don't know. That's one of my favorites. You guys don't like those? They're so good. Butterscotch discs are really good too, but if you- Ginger snaps. When you find someone in this age group and they're sharp, the wisdom and stuff that you could gather from is, this is why I used to love training them. I would ask them all these questions. And I remember- Oh, they're a wealth of knowledge. Oh, I would get advice on marriage and raising kids and society. And oh, I've seen this before. This happened and went to whatever and I'm like, oh my God, this is so amazing. But take it very easy and the next day they should feel better. So you should not call them and Mrs. Johnson says, oh, my legs are really sore. Should be like, wow, I feel, my back doesn't hurt as much. Boom, you know you did the right amount of volume in training. And they improve and get stronger just like anybody else. And the payback is actually higher because they start to become more independent. It's life changing. Yeah, which is pretty awesome. Look, if you like Mind Pump, you wanna follow some of our workouts, but you wanna start small, go to Mind Pump Media on Instagram for under $5 a month. You get a programmed workout every single week right there, Mind Pump Media on Instagram. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin, is that Mind Pump? Justin, I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam is at Mind Pump Adam.