 we designed this school and the executive education program that we have with IKLIF to be very embedded in a relationship with the industry. And we try to create a very well-balanced classroom with participants from multiple perspectives because, to be honest, and you know this a lot better than I do because you are a professor of leadership, leadership is such a personal and contextual thing. I think that this class specifically is very good for people who are on a leadership transition stage. Professor Loredana, how are you? I'm very good Sabri, how are you? I'm good, it's always nice to see you. I was told that you're one of the five professors teaching a new program which is called Leading Leaders in Action for the IKLIF ESB Leadership Executive Development Program. Tell us what this program is about. So you are part of that program Sabri, so you can tell me a little bit about it too, right? I will, I will. So I'm very, very excited that we are offering this Leading Leaders in Action Executive Program at IKLIF and I think it's a very unique program. It's a program that runs throughout five days and it's taught by five different faculty members. And to be honest, we talk a lot about diversity and the importance of having multiple people from multiple perspectives in a room but imagine having five different faculties in a room each of them talking about leadership, that's going to be really cool, right? So like you said, I'm one of the faculty. My area of expertise is management, entrepreneurship and what we call the ASB Smart Skills along with us we obviously have you, Professor Sabri, who you are a professor of leadership, right? And you're an amazing mentor. We also have Professor Tan, he is specialized more on the biochemistry of leadership which is super fascinating. We have Professor Renato Lima de Oliveira. He's actually, he has an MIT PhD in environmental science and political science actually. So he's going to bring a perspective that is very unique to the political spectrum of leadership. And then obviously we have our president and Dean, Professor Charles Feind, who's been teaching executive education for longer than I've been on this earth. I'm just saying that. But I think he's going to bring, again, a very unique perspective, maybe more of a Western perspective to leadership and a perspective that is deeply embedded on his experience of working with multinationals for the past 30 years. There's so many leadership development programs out there. How do you think leading leaders in action is actually different from all the others that we have out there right now? So you might know that Asia School of Business has received multiple awards or nominations for innovation at ASB. And the reason why I think we are so innovative is because from day one the school was very much embedded in this concept of action. We designed this school and the executive education program that we have with Iqlif to be very embedded in a relationship with the industry. And I think by being very close to the industry we're actually a lot more relevant in what we teach, right? We're not just an ivory tower of a faculty who's in their offices doing their research, right? Completely disconnected from the world of business but each and every single one as faculty we're very connected to the industry. The way we teach in our MBA program we teach through a lot of action. So on one hand we're bringing this expertise of being close to the corporate or the entrepreneurship world if you want but at the same time we have a module in this program of an actionable module. In non-COVID times we take the leaders in various actionable environments. In this case only for this year we are going to use a lot of simulation, a lot of exercises, intimate group work. And I have to say one thing that I've learned from this program is that people tend to live with a very transformative perspective. So it is not a program where people sit in a classroom and listen to lecture one after another the entire day. They get to get involved in so many different kinds of activities. I have to say as good as the five of us are even I would want to be sitting in a class listening to us for five days, right? So when we design this executive education program we also look very carefully about who's in the room, right? And we try to create a very well-balanced classroom with participants from multiple perspectives because to be honest and you know this a lot better than I do because you are a professor of leadership. Leadership is such a personal and contextual thing, right? The way my leadership style might be is very different than yours and you taught me that in so many opportunities. So we want the classroom experience to be constructive towards learning from each other, giving feedback to each other. And I think feedback is always one of these double edged swords, right? But by being in an environment of peers I think participants will be able to learn a lot more about themselves, about others. So what kind of participants are you looking forward to to see in your classroom? So I have to say I think that this class specifically is very good for people who are on a leadership transition stage, right? Even somebody like me, somebody like you, right? Somebody who knows for a fact that they are leading now but they might have a bigger leadership agenda to tackle in a year or two or five. On the other hand the truth is that each and every single one of us are leaders in one way. And also I want to just say one more thing which I think is very unique. We talk a lot about leadership, but you know what we don't talk a lot about? Followership. And I think every leader needs to learn how to be a good follower. A follower of culture, a follower of people, a follower of the board. So this program will also address this aspect of realizing that in order to be a very good leader you have to learn how to be a good follower as well. Five days is a pretty long time for a person to enter into a program, you know, seriously. So after having gone through the program, what do you think a person could learn from the program? What kind of skill do you think it could develop better? So you think that five days are long, think about it. The world has been trying to figure it out about themselves for thousands and thousands of years, right? I think this aspect of leadership which is part of what we call it ASB smart skills, we spend more time trying to learn about ourselves, about others, about our organizations, because see, Sabri, you know this very well, but my favorite expression is the job is easy. The people are not, right? Tell me about it. So if you think about it, we spend most of our time and energy learning about people, learning how to manage people, learning how to deal with people, learning that you are people as well. So it's five days too long. I think five days is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm convinced. I'm convinced. And finally, to those people who might be thinking about signing up for our program, what final words of advice do you have for them, Professor Loredana? I am so excited about this program. I want to sign up myself. Okay. So I really feel like this is going to be one of the flagship programs at ASB. Again, this combination of having five different faculty, a Malaysian, a Brazilian, a Thai, an American, a Romanian, you know, it's so unique. It's so interesting. Like I said, if I'm so excited about it, I really hope that you're going to get equally excited if not more. So please just sign up.