 So let's talk about, we get so many questions about how the behavior panel started. Yeah. What happened, how did it come in, because it happened because of a few things that came together that normally in a normal world wouldn't happen. Let's talk about how that came about. Let's talk about how we all first connected. Well, you Greg connected first. Yeah, I think. Yeah, we connected first. And what happened was I was doing a TED talk and our TEDx talk in Nashville. And I'd read all Greg's books and there was one that said that he had a partner's book that said, if you don't pay attention to what you're talking about in body language, if you just start throwing things out there, you'll create a Frankenstein's monster of body language. So I thought, oh, there it is, body language Frankenstein. So that's what I made my TEDx talk about, right? Right. So I'm getting ready to go down there and do it. And the day before I said, and I could look at that picture of him on the back of the bucket, I said, I better get a hold of that guy and say, look man, here's what I'm doing. Just gonna let you know, because I'm totally ripping your stuff off. I'm totally stealing your thing there. So I sent him an email and I said, hey, Greg Scott Rousson, sort of in the same business here. And I'm doing a TEDx talk and I have this thing that I came up with that I'm doing. It's called Body Language Frankenstein, but I totally ripped it from your thing. You'd have a, and I told him what was in the book. And I get back, which I know is okay now. I didn't get, I got an email back, but it wasn't an email. All it was, everything was in the subject line. And it just said, I'll call tomorrow at 12. I'm like, oh, and this isn't good. And I'll look at the picture again. Oh yeah, I was like, oh no, no, no, no, no. Cause I gotta do the thing tomorrow. So I said, okay, great, great, great. So I go out and I sit in my car. I was at the entrepreneur at the center at the time. I was at the entrepreneur in residence there during this. And so I went out and sat in my car and I was like, okay, 12 o'clock, bang, 12 o'clock and phone rang, it was him. And I was like, hey man. He goes, hey, what are you doing? I was like, nothing, what are you doing? He's like, oh nothing. I think that's a great idea. And he was just like he is. I'm flattered. I was flattered. I mean, that's what I said. But I just, man, I had the worst feeling. I just knew I was going to say, where are you right now? Cause I'm in Nashville. Hold on, move over to the right. I'm sending my lives. I can't see your head, man. I can't see your head. Where are you in the car? No, it's flattered. That was cool for me because I'd written those books. I wrote books like that for a while. And then I took a break, you know, when things changed. So it was good timing. I'd forgotten how long ago that was. And then we met. The first time we met up was at this place called the Sportsman's Grill. Remember that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He said, I'm going to be in town. Well, let's, let's hook up and eat and kind of, and he said, be later in the night. I said, okay, great. It was eight or nine o'clock. I said, no, great place, my favorite place, Sportsman's Grill's right there at Vanderbilt's gone now. And I said, and he said, okay, we'll meet there. So we meet there and we're eating, right? And the whole time I was sitting there, you know, you do, you know, you know this. When you do, when you're eating with somebody, you're doing something, you start moving everything over into their space to kind of, and then you've got them blocked in a little box there just to see what they do. They're like, you come to see your glasses and all that stuff. He kept knocking my stuff off the table. You know, he kept knocking, I said, okay, good, I get it. And then he would actually spill something on the table. And I was like, and I knew what he was doing. I was like, and I want to say, dude, don't do that. You know what I'm doing? But then to this day, he says. No, no, it was nothing. Yeah. And I couldn't tell if he wanted me to call you out on it or what, so I didn't say anything because he was a lot bigger than me. So I didn't say much about that. Then he's like, then we got to talking. And I showed you all my slide decks, which are concepts of stuff, a lot of stuff you've done because you know how you do when you do these things, you take ideas from people's books and say, here's what I'm going to build. This is Eggman, this is Hartley, and this is Bowden, this is Hugh. And you tell what these things are. And so I said to you all those and you said, and we talked and said, we should do, I said, we should do a course together. And I said, yeah, we probably should. I think we probably should. How did, oh, so how did you guys come into this? And I'll bring it together with the... Well, so before we'd met though, I'd met, well, you guys had helped on Truth and Lies that Tracy Thompson and myself were writing. And so let me just explain that first of all before I go to our piece because I write all of my books based on the Huckleberry Finn Tom Sawyer method. We've tried to get other people to do all the work. That's brilliant. So, yeah, exactly. So I'd gone, okay, I want a whole bunch of people to write little pieces. And I'd seen your TED talk, which is great. And so I thought, okay, well, let's send Scott a message and see whether he'll do a page, because that's a page that I don't have to do, which is the main thing. And so I tell Scott, you know, here's what I'm up to and here it is, and I'd love you to do a piece. And Scott says, yeah, great, fantastic. And then he starts sending stuff back and I send him some stuff that we're writing. And he starts, and he's going, have you seen this article and this article? And there's this thing here. And I'm like, oh, okay, this guy's really quite nerdy and he's got a lot of, you know, seems like he's got a lot of kind of really good technical knowledge going on. And so I said, well, would you want to be like technical editor on this? Because I'm just thinking, I could probably get somebody to read the whole book. And work out whether it's any good or not and tell us what we've done, which is complete nonsense. Because that's something that I don't have to do. So, and Scott was like, yeah, that'd be great. So I'm like, this is fantastic. And he says, he says, I got this friend called Greg. And like, you know, he does somebody and like, okay, like bring him in, bring it out. Like, let's all get involved. That was a corporate dude in those days. Yeah, yeah. And so, both of you guys are in Truth and Lies. It's fantastic. Now, I didn't know Chase at the time because Chase wasn't kind of out there at the time. You were still- I was active duty. You were still active duty at the time. So nobody knew that you were around at the time. So, why don't you take off as to how we met? Yeah. So I was in Toronto, Toronto. Toronto. Doing a, I don't know, three or four day seminar right when I was getting out of the military. Like this is the first seminar I've ever done in my life ever. It was horrible. Everyone said that they liked it, but I think it was. It was pretty bad, it was pretty bad. I want to refund them all or go, you know, now I want to go back and fix it, but. So I'm in town and I think I just reached out over email. So the guy, some guy who you were working with, Burt Henderson. Right, put, sent me a note and said, you shouldn't meet this guy, Chase. Yeah, so that's right. And it was snowing outside. And we met at this wine bar and I brought a copy of my book, Mark brought a copy of his. And it was incredible. And my first thought was like, holy shit, this guy's big. This is a big dude. Like he's, his head is twice the size of my head. But then I got over that. And I think we talked for three hours. We did. We had a great time. A couple of bottles of wine. It was a great dinner. And the other guy paid for it, which was fantastic. He paid for it and didn't say a word. Didn't say a word. He was just like, I just want to see you. The thing that we were talking to each other. And I was sitting there going, we're just having to chat and this guy's paying for everything. It's always the best way. It's always the best way. Anybody else need a go? Yeah, it was great. It was a great evening. Wonderful guy. Wonderful guy. Fantastic. And I think that was it. You know, we took an Uber home. You dropped me off at my house. Dropped you off at your house. Then a few months later, I'm doing a seminar. In Canada. It's in Toronto. Yeah. And then a few months later, I'm doing a seminar in Nashville. And I called this guy Scott Rouse. I was like, hey man, I'm doing a seminar way north up in Nashville. You want to meet at this little redneck bar somewhere. And so we're hanging out. I didn't know that Scott knew you. Right. I had no idea. So Scott, we're just sitting there and Scott goes, hey man, we should send a video to Mark Bowden. And I was like, oh, what kind of video? So Scott, I think it was your idea. It had to be your idea. Scott's like, well, I'm going to pretend like I'm completely wasted drunk. And then I'm going to come over the bar at you and then we're going to fist fight. But I want you to start greeting Mark to the camera and then we're going to get into a drunken fight. And maybe we can throw that clip somewhere around. That would be fine. This area here. Yeah. Mark, I hope you're doing well, man. Wanted to wish you and Tracy Happy New Year. Haven't spoke to you in a while. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee. Hey, I got some things working out over here. I'm trying to make a video for my friend here. I don't care what you're doing, Navy man. You're looking like you want to get your half. You better get your half. And then COVID. Yeah. So, but hang on, before you go, before you go to have that, I want to add in some more stuff because I think I'd said to Scott, after meeting you, I'd said to Scott, so there's this guy Chase Hughes who I don't think anybody knows about and you should have a chat to him because I think he's really good. So I'd already thought that out there because when the guy who was buying his dinner had said you guys should get together, I kind of searched around the internet and I found a video of you. And I found a video of you. You'd gone to, I think it was Colgate, was it Colgate? Yeah, Colgate University. Colgate University and you were coming out of Colgate University and you'd been doing some research there into... MK Ultra. Yeah. And you were talking about the cubic feet of documents that you'd been through and you were saying some names of some people that I recognize and not everybody would really recognize. And you were talking about their documents in cubic feet. And I instantly went, oh, this guy is serious. Like this is a serious person. This is, I will go and meet this person because he's talking about documents in cubic feet. And this is the only video I can find of him. What a douchebag. I will go and go and look at him. Milton Erickson, was that the one you were talking about? Milton Erickson, Aldous Huxley, Margaret Mead. Yeah, okay. Yeah. And then the first time I talked to Chase, I think I texted you or sent you something on LinkedIn or something about your picture where you still had that big Navy picture. I was like, yeah, this guy looks like a... And then you called me up and you said, hey man, we talked for a while. I said, listen, I'm getting ready to go talk to like 21 people in a row. That thing where you... I was in Los Angeles, here in Los Angeles. Yeah. When you're talking about... And you were to go interrogate all the, like a bunch of them at the same time. You're like, I'm gonna go do this. Any suggestions for that? You remember what I said? I said, yeah, man. Just go in there and read it one time. Yeah. You know, read technique it one time for each one of them. And which we all get an interrogation. But that's the first thing I remember you and you're going, okay, all right, that's what I'll do. That's what I'm gonna do. Now I remember thinking, I think you can probably do it. Cause you sound like you can pull it off. I was like, yeah. So let me give you those results really quick. I don't know if I ever did. No. 29 interrogations, four days. So I had about 40 minutes per interrogation. All but one confessed to an over $10,000 felony crime. Nice. Wow. It was great. What was the commonality? Yeah, that's great stuff. What was commonality? What was your point? Corporate theft, but they had been using an AI screening system to detect stuff. And so they had a red list. So it wasn't like I just got false confession. They had a high risk list of people where this was this 29 people. So I went in there and. Oh, you could let you into it. That's screening. That's screening. I mean, what you're doing is AI screening versus a human doing it, which is more effective. Super effective. That's beautiful. That's a great thing about that kind of interrogations is you're working on a confession, not information, you're after a confession. Right. So back to this now. It's beautiful. So from, we have all that information right there. Now, one thing Greg and I always talked about, because we thought it was hilarious, he always wanted to do, he wanted to look at videos of people who've seen Bigfoot. Oh, I want to bring them in and interview them. Remember? Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. He's like, bring them in. I want to talk to you. I was like, he's like, we need to do a show where we get people who've seen Bigfoot and we'll bring them in and talk to them and get them to tell us they haven't seen Bigfoot. And I was like, what? Right. I'm not a Bigfoot, ghost, whatever. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, okay. I was like, I'm down with that. We've got to talk to about ghosts too. We'll talk to my guys. He goes, all right, let's do it. And so then soon. So right after that, then Mark had said, yeah, make this new video. You'd said something like that. And she said, hey, make it. And you come and say, let's do a video. And Greg said, we need to do video. So I said, shoot, man, what are you thinking? Greg said, both gather everybody up and we'll start shooting. So I said, video to you guys. Which I'll show a part of it. It's a part of it right here. Politically, right. Hello, ladies. I haven't shaved for a week and a half. That's what's going on here. It's pitiful. Anyway, Greg and I were talking. We thought it might be cool if we did a zoom call with us four. And we did it. So where we recorded the screen, we had all four squares of us on the screen. And we talked about what we thought happened in the tiger king. If that woman killed her husband, did she really kill him? If she did, what'd she do with the body? Did she feed it to the tigers? Did she feed it to the lions? Did they dispose of it somehow into the sewage thing like that guy was talking about? It might be something that would be good, a video to give some heat anyway. It would be interesting. It'd be fun to do. And what are your thoughts on that? Let me know. And I said, hey, why don't we get together and do this and we'll do the tiger king. Remember that was the... You know where the tiger king came from is there's a guy, I know, who's a kid at the time, and he said, hey, there's this thing going on on social media that you should look into because everybody wants to know she did it. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know me. I hate social media. I hate all that stuff. But I went and look, yeah. This is what we gotta do, guys. It was so good. It was such a good one. So I put a video together and sent it to everybody. I was like, yeah, okay, we'll do it. Let's do that. That'd be great. And that's when we did. Remember, we all had our own channels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Well, guys, honestly, I say this all the time. I did this a long time ago. I started this a long time ago. And I left and you brought me back to play in the body language game. I mean, you guys have all, it's been a hell of a lot of fun the way we're doing it now. But when I was doing it a long time ago, there was not much of this going on. There's YouTube. I had to rewrite books about social media and that kind of thing because it was so long ago. And now that where we are, look how fast Greg pushed that, just pushed that train track right over into the humalians and alien investigators. But we didn't get bigfoot yet. We still, I'm still waiting for bigfoot. I got one right now. Let's do it. Let's do a bigfoot episode. Let's find this and without making fun because your thing was, well, it's over, we got to be able to save face and respect them. That's right. It's like anything else. When people leave, you can't, you got to have respect for them. There is a strong possibility there's some stuff out there. I mean, it's not impossible, but... Wait a minute. No, it's not. Have some more of this. Have some more of this. It's not impossible. Mark, I need more. Mark, I need more people telling some stories. I need more wine. The guys who are out in the woods smoking a little, enjoying a little, and they saw bigfoot. Okay, got it. And it's kind of like people who see it. We've interviewed people who've seen UFOs that we said, look, we can't say he didn't see a UFO. Let's go on the record right now. Do you believe in aliens? Possible. Do I believe they've been here? Well, my only, my logic equation says if you fly, you know, 10,000 light years, whatever it is to get here and then crash in a cornfield, something's wrong. That's my biggest problem. Yeah. Or you don't have, nobody detects you until you're here and you turn on the lights one evening. Come on, they're smarter than us if they can make that kind of stuff. Why would they suddenly have that happen? That's my only, it's always the redneck crashed aliens that we're talking about. Not, you know, some brilliant. For me, it's like past lives. Everybody's always some Egyptian king, never a peasant, never a peasant, you know, scrambling for potatoes in a pit. This is a way of mass-run Napoleon, you know. Michael Sharma would come in perfectly. But so what do you think? Yeah, I think yes. There has to be something else out there and it explains a lot of why it's so big out there. But do you think they've been here is the question? I do. And do you think what these people are seeing is that? I think what the Department of Defense has released is that. Yeah. I actually believe it. That's cool. None of us know the difference. None of us can... No, I think we can't be the only thing out there. Out here, out in the wild. I mean, there's got to be something else. I don't think they're coming down and I don't think they're living among us. I don't think any of that's happening. And people are going to say, you're being paid not to say that. We'll be paid if you give us enough of those Chick-fil-A cards, 40 bucks each, three times a year. All the $40 Chick-fil-A card. Or Cracker Barrel gift card. Ah, Cracker Barrel, he just left the gift card. Cracker Barrel's good. Yeah, heck yeah. So I think... Mark's going, they don't have those for you. I think you're right. I think there may be some, unless those tic-tac things are somehow some kind of weird drone or something that somebody's put together that we're... Don't know what they are. Yeah, but I've never seen one. I'd have to see one. Or if you saw one and you told me, I believe, you said, dude, I saw one, then I would believe it. But I'd have to, because it's, you know, that's a tough call, but I think there's other stuff out there. We're not the only ones out there. We can talk off camera about that. Okay. For me, like I said with Tom Reed, I believe he believes what he saw. Yeah, when we told Tom, I was like... Totally lying. He should have told the same mother. Yeah. We also did the one on Homely's show. And yeah, I mean, come on. Those guys are not lying to us. Whatever they believe. And his mother clearly believed what she saw. So I'm not, let's not call him liar. Same thing about Bigfoot folks. I tell you guys a story. There's a kid when I was working at Seer who saw Bigfoot in the woods and told me about it and I went and looked and it was a deer standing on its back legs eating acorns. Look, if you've lived your whole life in the city and you see a deer walking on its back legs, it might look like that. Yeah, with the moon in the right direction and the shadows of all kinds of stuff. That's why I think we should do this Bigfoot alien thing. Because look, when we talk about Humalians and say this person's full of crap, and then we should be able to say this person, like Tom Reed. That is honesty. We see honesty here. I think she was making up Humalians. They could possibly exist. Mark, how many years have you been doing that? Cut it off, G. So I'm, I think 98%ile in open to experience and 2% in skepticism. Get to 30 minutes later, Marshall. I love you guys, man. I love you guys, man. Yeah, I think you, we're probably in verse somehow. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever. But let's, let's, but I'm excited about any story we can come up with and folks listening can give us. I want to do, I think we should do, our original thing was Bigfoot. Let's, I, you know, I'd love to think there's something that intelligence tricking people and getting away from them, living out in the woods. But it's always Liberace unloading crates of Bigfoot's out of the back of the UFO. Yeah, it's, it's, it's really, yeah. So you never see somebody, you know? Let's schedule, like this was the, if this was the base of the pyramid for the behavior panel, let's schedule another trip like this. We'll book a suite. We'll bring in a couple of Bigfoot dudes. I have a better idea. Come to Georgia. There's the Bigfoot Museum. We'll fly them out of the car and say, come here, have you ever seen Bigfoot? Yeah. Hey, well, we'll talk to you right there. Come sign this release room. There's the Bigfoot Museum in Blue Ridge, Georgia. We should broadcast from there. That would be a great idea shot. No, no, we could, we're gonna be respectful. Well, thank you. You know what we do for a living? I think we could be respectful. A lot of people believe that they saw it. That's exactly what I think. We're not analyzing forensics or data. We're analyzing behavior. Some people are probably gonna be BS. Some people are gonna see it. Probably go BBS. I'm open to it. I don't think that's very skeptical at the same time. So am I. No, I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm gonna be biased. I don't think there is one. I'll tell them. I mean, not at the top. I wouldn't say, hey, man, I know you're full of it, but it's not like when you go in and say, look, I know you did this. I talk about interrogation. Here's the data point. I live in Georgia. If there was a Bigfoot walking around there. How about being in your backyard and knocking on the door? I've been to your house. Somebody would have it stuffed if it were in Georgia. Right. Anything they see that looks. They think it's good looking. That's a good looking deer. Boom. You know, this is where things go. And I'm from Arkansas. I would go into a garage freezer. Oh, yeah, they probably own it. They own all of it. It would have run to the governor at some point, wouldn't it? Yeah. The mayor probably shut out. He was governor last week. Mayor of the East. That's my aunt Martha. That's not the right. Yeah, I just. Well, I said we do it. So we're going to do Bigfoot. Yeah, let's do it. We've got Bigfoot, and that's one either way. So what's the plan? We're going to find some. I got one video already of two people that are fairly normal, you know, hunters who saw Bigfoot. And that's going to be our next start. All right. Let's get a variety of videos out here. I have three or four people. We'll spend two days at a lodge somewhere nearby these people so they don't have to travel very far. That's a great idea. This is North Carolina. There we go. Yeah. So I'm going to travel very far. Yeah, me either. Me either. I'll drive right down. Yep. We'll rent out an Airbnb lodge, get a film crew. You guys wouldn't believe the shit that's all around us in this room right now. Yeah, for sure. So we'll get a film crew. We'll figure out how to do it. And we'll walk them through an interrogation of respectful interrogation. Yeah, you know, elicitation. Just get them to talk. Just, yeah, tell us what you saw. Sometimes this is the age old thing when you do debriefing and you're talking to somebody. They remember things they didn't remember before and they might even say, well no, it wasn't a big foot. It was a horse that I saw that, you know, I'd seen horses before out in that area, so it probably was. If you ask the questions the right way, you open the way they think. The thing we do with ops guys, you go and when the guys come back from the mission, you ask them about a building and say, hey, how many of these did you see in that building? And they'll say, I didn't see any. And you start walking. Okay, when you open this door, would you see? I saw four doors. Well, hold on a second. I did see that. It was on the right door. And it's just the way our brains store information. We store in big chunks and we skip over things sometimes. Yeah, maybe it's worth it. All right, well after those tiny little tacos we had today. Yeah, I'm sorry. We had going dinner. Yeah, yeah. Taquitos, we didn't have tacos. Those were tiny. They were babies. Yeah. So, all right, this is really funny guys. I'm glad we can do this. I'm glad we get to talk about this. Yeah, me too. Me too. And do this in a way we haven't done before. And cheers to all of us together guys. Cheers. What a change this is. This is just one guys. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Like separated children at birth or something. Let's get some food.