 Council meeting before we start the meeting I'd ask madam city clerk to read the quote for the week all the way half way through the week That's right. Thank you mayor When you find yourself stressed ask yourself one question Will this matter in five years from now if yes, then do something about the situation if no then let it go Thank you very much Call the 25th regular meeting of the Common Council or please call the roll Born Berg Serta Davis excuse graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Manny excuse Meyer Montemayor Ratki Ryan Susha Vander wheel and for hassled 14 present Quarms present and now it is time to pledge your allegiance to the wonderful country. We live in all of my clayunas which please lead us I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America Answer the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank You all in my clayunas Next item on the agenda to prove the minutes president Burke. Yes. Thank you your honor. I move that the moments be approved has entered into the record Motion second to approve minutes any discussion There'll be a none all those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries minutes are approved Confirmation of appointments attorney McLean Thank You your honor at Mary Maranda Maranda to be considered for appointment to the business improvement district to fill the unexpired term of Rob Hury whose term expires 9407 signed by the mayor. This is one that had light over I'd ask for motion to confirm And there was a second any discussion All those in favor say aye Any opposed motion carries appointments confirm Thank you attorney McLean public forum ma'am city clerk First on the list would be Joe Ruppnick If you could come up to the mic sir And if you want to pull the mic maybe up a little closer to that would be great, and I need your home address Okay All right home address is 3216 south 11th place Okay, and you will have five minutes sir. Thank you I'll try to use less and not waste any of your time. I know you there's a lot of important business to tend to Tonight I'm not here to ask for anything, and I'm not here to complain about anything I'm actually here to express gratitude On behalf of the Salvation Army to the Common Council as well as to the citizens of Sheboygan For many things but primarily for The support that you have offered us in the past for city block grant funding As you probably are aware you fund Give significant funds every year to our free clinic our free clinic operates to provide medical care to people of In Sheboygan County who are without private insurance and do not have the means to pay for their own medical medical care in 2006 We provided just about nine hundred and ninety eight patient visits On-site and we provided almost fifteen hundred prescriptions You can imagine what that would cost if people had to pay for it themselves and through a lot of Collaborations were able to get that at either at no cost or certainly reduced costs including the working with the pharmacies Excuse me The impact of that on the community as you as you would can well know is is incredible And so we thank you on behalf of our clients For that support without it we would really be in tough shape the other program that The council has supported in the past is the housing counseling program The funding does not come directly to the Salvation Army for that one. It flows through family connections The housing counseling program is a program that the Salvation Army actually hires the person and as the office is in our building And that program exists to provide Short-term and limited assistance to people who are experiencing short-term financial problems It is a partly a financial a financial program where we were able to provide Financial assistance to keep people in their permanent homes either through the through rent assistance or mortgage assistance It is much more than just that however We have a master's level social worker who is in that position and works with area landlords Works with many other area businesses churches Non-profit groups as well as government groups to try to pool together Enough money from a variety of sources to keep people in their homes In 2006 again We provided assistance in that office alone to 1,409 households Which is a huge huge deal That does not mean that we provided Financial assistance to that many but that many people came to us seeking help and were eligible for services And we were able to do something to try to keep them in their homes out of those 1,400 we provided 4,349 individual services which may mean Tenant landlord mediation that may mean financial assistance. It may mean referrals to other agencies to try to Get get things together for them. So very briefly. Thank you I just want you to know how much we appreciate it and how much of a difference this makes. Thank you Thank you, Mr. Ruffin Next on the list would be Susan Hart And Susan could you give me your home address please 422 Clifton Avenue and you'll have five minutes. All right, thanks This is kind of exciting. This is the first time I've done this. So thank you I Wanted to talk with you tonight because Mr. Repnick is a good friend of mine and I jokingly told him I can never let him have the last word But seriously, I wanted to give you some history on why the Salvation Army has the one-stop housing program Family connections, which it was my previous employer had the grant We wrote the grant received the funds and then funneled them out and I wanted to explain why this came about in 1996 the state offered something new called W2 and With the W2 they decided that Low-income families were going to have to access Assistance through less than traditional methods that they had accessed it before and so to accommodate that in 1997 the state said you will have what's called a W2 Steering committee and that was made of approximately 12 people in business government and social service agencies And it was to ensure that clients were still accessing the services that they had had before W2 In 1999 a group of us on the steering committee We were complaining about the homeless issues in my previous job We operated the reach helpline which was Sheboy and is Sheboygan County's first call for help So we took calls 24-7 and heard everything But some of the worst calls we received in the evenings about this time was I have no place to stay and So the W2 steering committee said we need statistics on this So we formed a subcommittee and it consisted of the Mutual Assistance Association Salvation Army The Housing Authority Lakeshore cap Other agencies that did not provide housing such as family connections St. Vincent to Paul all these places were seeing people come in and say I need help with my rant or I'm going to be evicted What we discovered is that the clients were having to go from place to place to place to tell their story more than one time and We decided we needed this one-stop housing shop where people people could go just at the initial get-go Provide all the documentation that was needed Tell their story one time and then the intake worker would gather up all the information funnel this information out to the other agencies that could help and collaborate with them so Resources that were shrinking daily would not be duplicated and that the collaborative effort would be best for all This became a real win-win for The homeless in our community because what we found is the homeless They just didn't have an issue with housing. They had other issues. It may be an AODA issue It could be a lack of what I call resources and I don't mean financial resources I mean the resources probably all of us have with a friend a spouse a parent a sister These folks most of the times were isolated and so this counselor could Take all the information plus access additional services for this person The Project was initially funded with community development block grant funds given to them among mutual assistance Association and then in the fall of 2000 they lost their staff person who was doing this program and at that point the salvation Army had to take it over for free until we could get block grant money supplied for and We decided as a committee that we wanted those funds to flow through an agency that did not provide housing Assistance and that the non-housing providers would sit down and look at Grant applications that the housing providers applied for and the people that applied for it was partners the among mutual assistance association and salvation army One was not better than the other as far as the services they offer, but because the salvation has this belief of a Master's level social worker helping we went with them The money is funneled through family connections in case something ever happens like it did with the MAA at one point where the staff Person leaves and then there's no money to continue the program through another agency at that point in time family connections could pull the money back and Re-granted to another agency In 2003 July 1st of 2003 the housing one-stop shop coordinator began at the salvation army We had to list outcomes in this grant. We applied for and The outcomes were how this was going to benefit the community not the person. It was helping but the community And we civil through the housing counseling available. There's going to be less evictions Thank you less time spent in court less time for the sheriff's officers to go out and give eviction notices less time for public defenders to represent these people in court and there would be less transient Transients in the community The counseling service provides all sorts of things emergency housing assistance and by that I mean I Worked at a fast food restaurant my four-year-old had the measles I could not send her today care, but when I didn't go to work I lost a week's Salary and at that point in time the housing group would get together and say I have this much money Another group would say I have this much money and they might help me pay my rent So I could stay in my apartment that month and not be evicted homeless services landlord tenant mediation fair housing issues and referrals to outside sources I Too want to thank the council and The folks that administer the community block grant dollars for funding this program This is a crucial program for many of our citizens in Sheboygan folks. You probably don't see thank you, Sue Next on the list would be Henry Capotillo And Henry can I have your home address, please? Yes, that's 1619 North 38th Street, and that's in the town of Sheboygan, and I'm here representing home Inc. Okay, and you will have five minutes or okay I'm here to ask you again to not eliminate the two community policing positions from the police department You may ask why should we not save the taxpayers a little money? Over $56,000 that these two positions will save my response to you would be that is just not so Because the duties of these two individuals will have to be done by someone else Who will do these these two individuals duties? Well, let's see wasn't it not several weeks ago that there was a discussion about transferring these two positions to the transit department if you now have to create two new positions at the transit department to do with the community Policing individuals presently do you are not really saving any money at all? Furthermore, you are now looking at creating a new position a lia is not ethnic lia is on position for $41,000 Apparently this new position would be gathering information of where the city can secure translators and other such information What is also not any coincidence is that this new position will be under the mayor's office I do not believe that the city Sheboygan needs an ethnic lia is on position If you are really serious about reducing the budget then stop spending more money on new positions That are not needed and take the proposed duties of these proposed positions and Incorporate the duties into present city employees for example cannot the mayor's assistant develop a master list of who can provide translation services Can you not have each city department identify what written materials that their departments feel they need to translate into different languages? Do you need to spend an additional $41,000 on a new position that you cannot afford? I read in the Sheboygan press how alderman verhasel is now looking Going to request that the city council look at how you can spend some of the eight million dollars That the department of public works as in the vehicle replacement and maintenance account Apparently the city is not just Satisfied in spending what he collects from the taxpayers But is also now looking to raid the accounts of city departments that look to set aside funds for their department So they could not would not create a hardship for taxpayers when they needed to purchase costly equipment Isn't it ironic that the city Sheboygan also has their own account that it sets aside money for on rainy day or unexpected financial Situations this account is a city Sheboygan reserve account You may ask then why does not the city take these funds for their own reserve account for additional spending? Well, let me tell you you only one thing about this account is that the city has been spending some of their reserve funds Over the years and has failed to replace the funds at a higher rate than they are spending from this account In order to maintain the city Sheboygan's bond rating the city must maintain a set level in This reserve account so if the city spends more money than it saves Then no wonder they are scrambling to raid all the other cookie jars at their disposal Anyone can spend money, but few can live within their means and still save money Is it fair to be creating a new position in the mayor's office and make additional cuts to various city departments such as a police department? I don't think so if you really want to spend additional money Then you should look at services that need to be enhanced or supplemented I believe that the city should reduce their overall spending make cuts in the budget that will That will not impact the different departments to the point where it hinders vital services to the community and make public safety and quality of Life a priority for the city when attracting or developing new business opportunities for the city Do it without having to promise new businesses excessive financial awards in order for them to choose Sheboygan as a place for their business Keep in mind that future businesses and or developers may expect what you promised other developers People business people should want to invest in Sheboygan for the right reason The financial incentives or lack of financial incentives from the city should not be the deciding reason why they choose Sheboygan over other communities you do not attract new residents by telling them that you are going to not charge them property taxes for a Specific period of time or by giving them a rebate to relocate to the city of Sheboygan How do you how do you or should you attract new people to come to the settle in Sheboygan you tell them of the different Opportunities for their families such as excellent schools reliable city services such as it as an exceptional police and fire Departments a public works department that takes pride in keeping the city clean by providing top of the notch notch lying garbage collection snow removal and street repairs low unemployment rate and accessibility to numerous job Opportunities you impress on them that Sheboygan is has a history with of hard-working families strong values Religious diversity and openness for all ethnic cultures and in abundance of recreational activities for families Keep in mind and keep a balance on how you spend me. Would you like your additional minute? Yes Keep keep a balance on how you spend the taxpayers money Do not spend tax dollars in one area such as business development Development by sacrificing the budgets and services of critical critical city departments Do not shortchange the taxpayer of Sheboygan by promising to hold the line on spending and keep increasing their tax liability every year Do not play a shell game by eliminating positions and eliminating people's jobs Only to create new positions in different city departments Keep in mind a tax cut in a lower tax rate is a reduction in the amount a taxpayer pays at the end of the year When he gets his property tax bill, I have more, but I know I don't have enough time So I'll have to come back some other time, but thank you for the time. Thank you, Henry And last on the list of being Yang Yang would you give me your home address, please? 1611 North 27 place 27 place and you will have five minutes there Thank you. Um, as Henry mentioned, I'm here to appeal to the console that on March 29th the seller and grievance commuter vote 4 to 1 to eliminate my myself and my Partner Jack Gabler as community service officers Let me tell you something that happened in February 14 On that day, we know that there was a snowstorm on the day before and Starting at 7 o'clock every squad had busy with the auto accidents I had the dispatch count that day we had 16 auto accidents and that morning around 7 30 I had just finished a complaint and I was sent there to help because no squads were available to help a lady This lady with her 2007 Toyota tundra went to a ditch by a Taylor and University Drive. That's 50 feet down the ditch And guess what who was there to help? I was the only one that could help. I provide my traffic light on that I love the record to save you pull the lady out from the ditch And without me that morning I don't know how long because all the squads were Unavailable and if we have to wait for longer than that who would to blame for it's probably, you know Us leaders here that don't provide enough cops on the road As you saw my partner and I do very vital functions to Release the officers a patrol man for from their Duty and would allow them to handle more severe calls and I won't cause and others We handle unbanned vehicles. We told them if they're still there. We are investigate 24 hours parking complaint We issue and told snowmen is emergency vehicles and we recover pick up abandoned bikes Meade enforcement times of enforcement Cross guard duty and provide traffic assistance when patrol squads aren't available Last year we handle three hundred sixty two unbanned vehicles respond to a hundred one thousand thirty nine parking complaints Handle and recover two hundred forty six bicycles and brought in one hundred nineteen thousand in parking revenue One thing really amazed me when I see all those talking When I first applied for the job I was offered I wasn't told that I have to write certain amount of a ticket to a Recent amount of dollars into revenue and that's nothing in my job description But I was told I have to do my job. I enforce parking Many many of the neighbor cities They also have CSL's Funderland has to ask gosh tan Green Bay 13 Appleton 11 Mattock to Madison 20 to 30 and below it to All the function that I've been doing since 1997 is my the Asian liaison program I handle the help the Asian helpline, which is still exists today. I Would assist patrol officers doing investigation from sexual assault domestic abuse Traffic stop auto accidents minor calls and explain simple police procedures On a daily basis in the last few days, I had calls I had Get on the road and do our language assistance Throughout this years ten years. I have never denied any service to any of city departments I have assist DPW with their garbage shell collection translation and put it back to Mon community for their information I have assists bear inspection with their Investigation with among families who had been in cold violation plumbing electrical violations. I Have assist city attorney with his pre-tribe conferences. I Also assist me outside Departments the shared departments the detention centers false PD cold PD Mattock PD Final PD Germantown and the FBI back in 99 when we had the interstate gang cases Has there been any city department comes to my office and I denied assistance. No area Assistant that need help. I always do it serve during my work hours The Asian helpline has been exist since July 1st 97 and it has been well known recognized by members of the Mon community And I have translated countless documents for the crime prevention program in the PD Tonight you're going to decide Whether to take the vital service for the PD the Mon community and the whole community at soul Excuse me Yang, would you like an additional minute sure and you're going to decide to take a way to keep to keep service for the 10 to 15 percent of the children population which is on the Mon individuals What I'm doing here the PD here give faith to Mon community that They have someone that they can call they can get help if they need to As my ten years of bilingual service the most common language that we dealt with our mong lao in Spanish If we have problem with mong lao and Thai I dealt with that if we're proud with Chinese I try my best. I can't I have a resource to go through the department has Spanish-speaking officers and if we have problem with those those officers will come and do it Currently there are 200 families mong family in Sweden that recently arrived from Thailand that speak not much English at all at the house so excuse me and They are all future taxpayers and voters and many of them are already home owners. Excuse me hang minute is up Okay, thank you. Thank you That's all Okay, thank you very much Thank you everyone at address the council Next item on the agenda is hearings and we have six And I will list each one and then ask if there's anyone who would like to address the council if you so desire to do If to do address the council, please let us know on which one The first one is for the change of zoning for property located at the northern terminus of Taylor Drive North Taylor Point condominiums from class MR 8 mixed residential aid to class North Taylor Point Plan unit development classification second one for the change of zoning for property located east of Taylor Drive and south of Germain Avenue from class S suburban industrial to class suburban commercial classification The third one confirming the exercise of police power in making an assessment for those benefited properties against which assessments are proposed For parking assessment district one The fourth one confirming the exercise of police power in making an assessment for those benefited properties Against which assessments are proposed for parking assessment district two The fifth one confirming the exercise of police power in making an assessment for those benefited properties Against which assessments are proposed for parking assessment district four the six and final one confirming the exercise of police power and make it an assessment for those benefited properties against which assessments are proposed for parking assessment district five is there anyone that would like to address the council sir please step up and sir could you tell me which one you're interested in speaking on I'm interested in speaking about the parking assessment the CSO situation okay parking assessment for which district you know downtown well seventh ninth Street why don't you give me your name I'll figure that out tomorrow morning I'll look at which area it is what is your name please my name is Greg Reining King and hot use Greg how do you spell your last name our EI and EK and G and your home address Greg my home address is 1603 Fieldstone Lane and Howard's Grove and I own an office the financial group at 625 North A Street okay and then what you would be speaking on tonight would just be the parking that's what the hearings are right now is just the parking assessment district so that's what you can talk on right changes right okay okay go ahead okay so yeah one of the things and I guess I I'm not going to read from anything or do any preaching of any type but one of the things that I really enjoy about actually being back to Sheboygan and I preface that by saying that I was left Sheboygan after college was gone for 21 years and came back to Sheboygan for some opportunities and decided to buy a building on A Street okay to hang up my shingle the financial group incorporated and one of the things that I'm not here to lobby for for for Yang Yang or Jack Gebler's job positions but one of the things I've really noticed and I've lived in various parts of the country that people really don't like those parking meters downtown number one and two I think that Yang and Gebler again I'm not lobbying for their position but they've really become an integral part of the A Street atmosphere in the in the business atmosphere that goes on and one of the reasons that I purchased a property on A Street however you know what what I'm seeing is I have clientele that comes in and I have my assistant Mary at the office constantly looking at those meters and plugging quarters and having clientele they're extremely upset you know when I walk out and say goodbye to them that they've got a yellow ticket on their vehicle which I gladly take over and you can see a lot of Greg L. Reining King checks in the parking meter because I pay for all I say if you got a ticket I got it they go I don't want to come down here otherwise so when I could park in you know in Yonkers I consider it you know looking looking at the Sheboygan atmosphere and I wanted to be part of A Street obviously you know back in my hometown and I think it's a little bit of a stigma you know I've lived in Valparaiso Indiana in South Dakota number places I don't see parking meters I lived in Chicago that they've got them there but I think it's a detriment to good positive business atmosphere in the downtown area and Yang Yang and Jack Gebler I know them both not here for them but I think that they do many many things and they create an atmosphere on A Street a lot of business people and customers clientele know these guys and yeah are they constantly handing out tickets no could they do more for revenue for the city and is revenue important to the city oh absolutely positively but is this the business image is this going to attract good quality business to the downtown area and I guess I you know I'm just stating my opinion I just don't think it's the most positive image that Sheboygan can be casting you know I look at you know in Fond du Lac or Appleton they don't seem to have this situation but revenue is very important I understand that as a financial advisor but also bringing revenue in as far as establishing new businesses and clientele for other business owners extremely important in my opinion too so I just wanted to take a look at you know what what they have done I I'm thinking the revenue could be generated in other areas other than you know citizens of Sheboygan trying to do business downtown A Street where I think the emphasis to many many people is to regenerate it as the primary business area of Sheboygan thank you thank you mr. thank you is there anyone else that would like to address the council is there anyone else is there anyone else that would like to address the council president Berg I guess thank you and I moved with the hearings to close motion second to close hearings under discussion there being none all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries hearings are closed all in graph thank you your honor at this time I'd like to pull forward documents 2544 and 2545 please do and at this time I'd make a motion that both resolutions be put upon their passage motion and second to put 2544 and 45 upon their passage under discussion under discussion your honor I'd like to ask for the items to be folded on separately but at this time I'd like to open the floor to Carol Worth from RBC Capital Markets to explain what we're going to do here with these two documents there a second to that second any discussion and open in the floor there is none all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries and why care comes up there I just like to see everybody should find on their on their death two reports one for the three million dollar general obligation promissory notes that we're dealing with and the other for the four million dollar water utility revenue bonds okay thank you good evening great no I always start off by telling you I have great news better news tonight we're gonna walk through our two handouts the one-page summary and attached to the one-page summary are exhibits to the resolution that you currently have in your packets the resolutions of course did not have these exhibits and that's because the exhibits reflect the results of the bond sales that occurred this morning so when you act upon them these attachments along with the resolution will make one complete resolution for you to vote on so I will walk you through the three million dollar resolution the summary which basically tells you that we we had a fail this morning three million dollar general obligation promissory notes and we took this morning at 1030 on this issue the results of the business we had four bidders which is on the second page you will see it says exhibit B to your resolution it's the bid tabulation so you can see the four bidders and the winning bid was from Harris out of Chicago at a true interest rate of a 3.88 percent and you will also notice that the three other bids were from three different states so we distribute this nationwide and so I thought was interesting that we actually got bids from three different states the second or the next page is exhibit C to your resolution and this is the actual bid form that the bidder submits and it shows at the top the interest rates that are assigned to each principal maturity and at the bottom is the calculation that shows you the true interest rate again of the 3.88 percent now we take those interest rates from their bid form and we convert them into a debt service schedule which is the next page it is titled exhibit D and this is now the principal and interest repayment schedule for this three million dollar issue so you can see that it actually starts paying principal and 08 and it goes through the year 2016 so that makes a complete resolution document now one more great piece of news is that every time we prepare the city for financing we put together an official statement which is a prospectus on the city it's a very large document it has a lot of great information on the city it is used for two purposes to solicit these bids from these underwriters it is also used for us to go to the rating agencies and get your bond rating and we have two ratings for our general obligation issues we have Moody's rating which Moody's did come back and reconfirm our double A3 credit rating we also have a standard and pours rating and the good news is that standard and pours has upgraded our rating in the past we were a double A minus which is a comparable rating status to the Moody's double A3 but we are now upgraded to a double A without the minus so we are in the mid range of the double A category for standard and pours so that is wonderful news and it certainly is is due to the hard decisions and work by administration by the council because the reason for the upgrade in Moody sorry in standard and pours opinion is really due to two significant things and that is the continued financial health supported by the general fund reserves and what this means is that I'm sure you're aware of the fact that over the years you have established policies with regard to your reserves your rating agencies always recognize the fact when you establish the policy but now what they're recognizing is the fact that they have been historically implemented for a number of years very well and also during a time where you've also struggled with levy limits so they are very impressed with how the city has adhered to its policies and so that's one of the biggest reasons for the upgrade the other is the fact that they do recognize the continued economic growth supported by the use of tax increment financing in your city the successes of your TIF districts you remember several years ago when we issued a lot of short-term debt for some of your TIF districts and of course everybody has the concern is is this going to turn out the way we plan and we do develop very detailed financial planning but still until it materializes it's the questions out there so what Standard & Poor's is very pleased to see is that all of those plans materialized that debt as of last year was all permanently placed and the fact that the revenues have materialized and are we paying the debt and in addition to that we've had a great deal of additional economic development occurring above and beyond what we had planned at that time so this is really the two things that has led to the upgrade by Standard & Poor's so congratulations to you city of Sheboygan okay so that is the first handout I will go through the second one if you'd like me to at this time or do you yes please okay all right the second is the resolution what it's what it's titled as it's supplementing a resolution that we did back in 2005 and that's because we're issuing four million dollars of water utility revenue bonds they are repaid from the revenues of the water system and when you have that they are issued on what's called a parity and equal claim of revenues from that system so therefore you have a resolution that we step back in 05 this one supplements that resolution again the resolution you had was did not have the exhibits this has the exhibits attached and so I'll walk you through those exhibits and you'll see that the first page has exhibit C and that shows you the sale this morning we had two bids on this issue with the winning bidder UBS securities out of Dallas Texas that true interest rate is a 4.411 these are longer term bonds they go out 20 years where our other issue went out to 16 okay so that's one of the primary reasons for the difference in the interest rate the next page is the bid form from UBS and you will see in the center there the interest rates that they actually bid at the bottom corner is the calculation that produces that true interest rate of the 4.41 and now we take those interest rates and we apply them to the principal payments which is the next exhibit and that's your now your repayment schedule your principal interest payment for this particular issue which again it's repaid from the revenues of the water utility okay this issue was also marketed with that same official statement we had the description of the water utility and all their information and there's users and of course this these funds will be used for the reservoir project the booster station transmission means and other improvements to the water system we also fund part of a bond reserve with this in order to comply with our resolutions and this issue is rated by Moody's only it has an A1 credit rating which is very comparable is a very strong rating the way rating rating agencies will look at a revenue obligation as they take it one step below the city's general obligation so if your general obligations at the double a3 one step below that is an A1 and so that's where we are with the water utility so that's very positive that's very strong and and that's why there's the difference in the rating so thank you please stay there Alderman Hannah thank you thank you man just two questions Carol you throw out a lot of ratings and maybe we can put in perspective for people our double a rating how does that compare to the state of Wisconsin the state of Wisconsin is rated a double a3 which is exactly your rating by Moody's okay what is in the second question is it's nice that we got the upgrade did that translate to a lower interest rate force the upgrade let me explain to you that first of all the way bonds are priced is the rating categories themselves there's a single a a double a and a triple a if you look at the difference in interest rate between those categories it ranges between what's called 10 basis points to 15 basis points okay between them now each rating category has three subcategories it's either one two or three a minus without or a plus now if you take the lowest number let's say 10 basis points and you say that each change in the sub rating is one-third of it on the three million dollar issue that would equate to a savings of five thousand dollars any other questions okay thank you Carol okay thank you very much any further discussion on behalf of the Alderman Susan thank you your honor when I was looking through this this official statement a hundred-page document or so there was something that did jump out at me a couple of years ago I was very concerned when I first became alderman that the city had approximately 78 million dollars in debt and I was real happy to see that in the past two years we've paid off more than 20 million dollars in debt the city now is down to about 55 million dollars in debt and I was real happy to see that because when we were at the 78 million we were almost at our cap of our borrowing capacity so I'm real happy I want to thank Carol Worth from RBC capital and also Rich Gephardt the finance director because I know that the two of them have worked very closely just as the finance committee and also you mayor Perez I think together that was the financial team that has been leading us down this path and I'm real happy that we were able to refinance along with this debt issuance to keep us going in the right direction because I think that's a huge success knowing that the city is down to 55 million dollars in debt that's still a lot of debt and I hope we keep driving it down but I think that's something that really is a positive that came out of this document tonight thank you old missusia any further discussion there is none we're going to take a vote on 2544 first please call it will foreign Berg Serta Graf Hannah Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Sushia Vander wheel and rehearsal 14 eyes motion carries now one would call the vote on 2545 and after it passes I hope we'll take a little couple of minutes to sign the documents so Carol can take off please call the roll Berg Serta Graf Hannah Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Radke Ryan Sushia Vander wheel for Hasselt and boron 14 eyes motion carries okay thank you very much consent agenda president Berg I guess I thank you again mr. Mayor I move that we accept and file all the arrows accepted adopt all the RCs and put the general ordinances upon the passage motion second to put consent agenda upon the proof consent agenda 25 1 to 25 26 under discussion we have only rough thank you your honor I didn't really want to talk on the consent agenda I just wanted to make a comment on the previous documents that we were we're passing and that was in addition to what all in sushi had said regarding thanks to the people that were watching our finances and so forth we also have to give credit to the last two years of finance committees that were appointed for watching the policies that we set and recommending those policies to the council and then to the whole council for passing and watching those same policies absolutely thank you all man graph all men will thank you honor I have a question on a document 2517 2517 what it is this communication from United Military Association of Sheboygan requesting $500 and finance department or the finance committee approved it the request and I would just like some background information on why we're here approving that $500 okay all man graph I have to defer to Alderman Hanna because I was out of town okay oh man yeah I think it was a budgeted item I can't remember the timing of it but I had to come through finance to get back up here but it was in the budget to provide them it's an annual I think it's an annual recurring item it's satisfying thank you anything else any questions your man please call rule Serta graph Hanna Kittleson Cleonis Meyer Montemay or Racky Ryan Sushia Vander wheel for Hasselt boron and Berg 14 eyes motion carries the port of officers to 2527 lies over to be referred 2528 through 2543 2546 and 47 lies over 2548 through 2555 to be referred report of committee for 2556 by the marina and harbor committee recommended authorizing the construction of a kayak launch facility along the Sheboygan River in the South Pier district and passing the attached resolution Alderman Meyer thank you your honor motion to suspend the rules there's motion second to spend is there any any objection there is none please continue I'd like to put the RC upon its passage there accept and adopt and put the RC upon its passage motion to accept and adopt put the resolution upon its passage under discussion and second under discussion please this is a new venture that we are going to be starting on our river front and we have a business starting where they will be renting kayaks to the community and this new launch launch will be open to the public so I know there's been some concern that this was only for participants at this business but this will be open to all all people that want to use it thank you any other discussion there is none please call the roll graph Hannah Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rackie Ryan Sushia Vanderwheel Rehastelt Boren Burke and Serta 14 eyes motion carries report of committee 5 2557 to be referred report of committees 6 2558 by law and licensing recommended not granting it taxicab license number 7406 as the applicant has requested that his application be withdrawn Alderman Gretke thank you your honor a move that the reporter committee be accepted and adopted motion in second to accept and adopt under discussion Alderman Boren I thank you your honor I had a I had a comment on 2557 there was a discrepancy between the agenda and the referral do you want me to come back to that later let's take a vote on this just come back to us any discussion on 2558 we're being on please call the roll Hannah excuse me Hannah Kittleson Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rackie Ryan Sushia Vanderwheel Rehastelt Boren Burke Serta and graph 14 eyes motion carries I will refer back to 2557 for some clarification by Alderman Boren please do sir thank you your honor on the agenda it says that this this 2557 is going to the committee of the whole of the new council we discussed this at the last committee the whole meeting and it was decided as it says on the document itself that it will go to the civil service commission of the new council so yeah okay thank you please note that note and make that correction it will be a referral to civil service not committee of the whole thank you Alderman Boren pointing that out okay 2559 to be referred report of committees 725 60 by the cable re-franchise committee requesting that the council accept a check from charter communication for seventy eight thousand dollars as complete payment for the money's due the city is determined by the audit done by the city's paid consultant from UW Madison President Burke would you like to take that one yes would move that the resolution before its passage motion in second under discussion there is none all those in favor say aye aye any opposed motion carries 2561 by law and licensing recommending denying pawn broker license number 1742 based on his failure to include all relevant convictions on his pawn broker license application his previous record of violations including current violations and investigations and the committee's standards for issue and licenses. Alderman Ratke. Thank you your honor I ask to move that the reporter committee be accepted and adopted. Second. Motion in second to vote under discussion under discussion is Todd Jodowski here this evening. He's not here this evening your honor. Thank you Alderman Ratke any further discussion there's none please call the roll. Kittleson, Clioness, Meyer, Montemayor, Ratke, Ryan, Sushia, Vanderwheel, Berhasselt, Boren, Berg, Serta, Graf and Hannah 14 ayes. Motion carries 2562 to be referred. Alderman Hannah. Thank you mayor I would request that this be filed and simultaneously to that I'd ask that you take the opportunity to form a special committee so that we might have three Alderman and three citizens at large assigned and might have further discussion on this topic. There's that was a motion and second Alderman Hannah that was a motion you mays under discussion. Alderman Sushia. Thank you your honor actually the salaried grievance committee has spent almost a year working on this project this is referring to the reorganization of the city's table of organization the mayor has been involved the human resource director has been involved many city employees have been involved in the process department heads have been involved in the process right now it is scheduled to go to the committee of the whole which I believe we will be meeting next week for further dissemination of information because there have been some changes that the salaried grievance committee did make following the recommendations from all of the standing committees there has been a tremendous amount of input that has been provided for this change in the reorganization and I would ask that we have the opportunity to discuss it at the committee the whole and after the discussion if you're not comfortable with the changes you can simply vote it down at that point so it's very inappropriate to file it and I do believe we should continue with as planned and refer to the committee the whole next week so everybody has a thorough understanding I will tell you the majority of the information that was presented today at the public hearing was wrong very inaccurate and I think we should have the opportunity to present the information in its entirety so everybody can discuss it openly thank you thank you Ellen Sushia Alderman Hannah thank you mayor I believe that it's very important that the new council members be involved in this process I would ask that this special committee have a very short life of six weeks tops and that we get back and that we schedule our meetings in such a fashion that the vast majority of the all the people can be in attendance I think it's just an opportunity for more open discussion very important I certainly appreciate the spirit of the moves I just think we need to have a more open discussion thank you Alderman Hannah lights are popping up Alderman Ben will first thank you honor I don't see anything wrong with us going to committee the whole we can discuss it there and then if we're if we want to file it then it's not to commit or ask you to form a committee we can do it then and any other person that or elect all the person that would like to attend the community can attend it and it'll be on channel 8 and they can tape it and watch it there so I don't think we'll be leaving anybody out of the process by having a committee whole meeting on Monday thank you thank you all women Ryan thank you your honor I have to agree with Alderman Hannah on this salaries and grievances and Alderperson Sushia did put a lot of work behind this but I believe that I think the process needs to be restarted I think it needs to be restarted with more of the department heads input from the start that the animosity that has developed on some of the city departments can be put to rest in that we can rework the TO and actually have some real cost savings thank you thank you thank you your honor chairman Sushia worked very hard on this table of organization but there have been a lot of changes it's not going in the direction we anticipated there's a new council I'm afraid that if we pass this now or even if it goes to committee of the whole and passes the new council will make lots of changes we'll have a messy document so even I who helped work on this a long time can support a committee looking at it all over again and getting a clean document and hopefully getting to where we want to go thank you all women the mayor Alderman Sushia second time thank you your honor I do believe that this does need to go to the committee the whole and there are a lot of positions that are involved here this impacts approximately 50 jobs on the table of organization there's been a tremendous amount of compromise to make all of the department heads feel comfortable I think that we could get them up to the microphone at the committee the whole meeting and you could ask them if they're comfortable with what's on the table what we're doing is we're adding more police officers to the street I mean I don't think this is the appropriate venue to get into a full-blown discussion but it the document is before you and if this committee would like I could start a top-line item and spend the next half hour going through it one item at a time but that's not the proper venue what you have to remember is that this also includes positions like the deputy director position of planning that has been vacant since the beginning of january we have been leaving that department out in the lurch because there has been obstacle after obstacle that we have been asked to overcome we were asked to send this entire document to each of the standing committee so we did that we made the changes we gave almost everything everybody was asking for they almost got everything they wanted when it came back to souring grievance I don't know if there are more than four of us in this room that know completely what the changes are so I would support a full discussion on the committee the whole level because if you postpone this you're not helping some of the committees or some of the department such as paul at ender she's been running short staff since january and what you're going to do is you're going to push this whole process into june july before she gets somebody up and running so I would ask give this a shot you don't have anything to lose by coming in next monday night and listening to it in its entirety as far as passing it on to the next council I think all you're doing is stopping the wheels of government that's that's not a good thing because you could start over at square one the next set of alderman will spend 12 months working on this all of a sudden it'll be time to see the new council next year and again you're stepping backwards you're never going to move ahead you're not going to make the changes that need to be made so I would say let's discuss it next week monday night we have not had a sign-and-die meeting for the committee the whole so one way or another we're coming in next monday night to have that on the agenda thank you all miss usha any more discussion there is none please call the roll and this is a motion this is a motion to file and form a committee is that your full motion so an i vote would be to file inform a special and i vote everybody have that and i vote would be to file inform a special committee consisting of three alderman and three citizens six-week lifespan okay is that what you wanted alderman hannah okay um clioness meyer montemey or ratki ryan susha vander wheel for hassled borne burg sirta graph hannah and kittleson ten eyes four nose motion carries reporter committees eight twenty five sixty three through twenty five sixty four to be referred reporter committees nine twenty five sixty five by public works amending section eighteen dash five one a of the municipal code so as to increase the fees of for dog licenses and pass the attached substitute resolution and substitute ordinance alderman meyer thank you ronner i asked that we accept and adopt the rc and put the substitute ordinance upon its passage there's motion there's motions are second second under discussion under discussion this is part of the dog study committee it was an increase in the dog licensing licenses and there were a few complaints that the increases were not fair between the neutered dogs and the non-neuter dog licenses so what we've done is we've increased both these licenses by three dollars each to make it an even increase thank you elwin meyer any mother any more discussion alderman ratki thank you your honor i'm going to vote against this increase in the dog licensing fees this came out of the dog study committee which was supposed to find this a dog park and everything else to go along with it now we came out it was with an increased fee and nothing else to boot so i'm going to vote against this resolution thank you thank you elwin ratki any further discussion there being none please call the roll meyer montemay or ratki ryan susha no fander wheel for hasselt boron berg serda graf hannah kittlesen clioness 11 eyes three nose motion carries 25 66 by salaries and grievances prohibiting elected of city officials from seeking or accepted employment with the city within two years after leaving the elected office and passing the revised substitute ordinance alderman susha i'd move that the rcb accepted and adopted in the revised substitute ordinance be put upon its passage motion second under discussion alderman ryan thank you your honor um this went back to salaries and grievances um and the words seeking or to seek a public office were taken out of it which was necessary um there was one other uh amendment which is that we had a bullet point in here number three the the last line of the document that stated that a public official could be could assume a a city position um with the consent of 80 percent of the council that was put in there so if we had a situation where somebody was highly qualified for a position that position was open and the council could see that that was the best person for that job that they could take it uh at an 80 percent vote of the council that person would definitely be qualified for that position there wouldn't be a question as as uh there would be no no um question as far as the legitimacy of it um to get 80 percent of people to agree uh there would be no question about whether that person whether everything was above board which is what we're looking to do with this a simple majority i don't think is sufficient um we could have a council that is divided um 50 50 on an issue very controversial issue it could be um i think it needs to be stronger than that i would like to keep this at the 80 percent that it was 80 percent of the council um so i guess i would be putting in an amendment your honor to this amended document thank you second that's a motion and a second to amend the term uh the the vote of the council sir oh a simple majority that is on there to the 80 percent where it was to the 80 percent on the amendment only alderman susha thank you your honor um i believe that alderman ryan is being a little bit hypocritical there was a few weeks ago where we were talking about the percentage of neighbors that could weigh in regards to granting historic preservation and at that time we were asking for a three-quarters majority and alderman ryan pointed out that that's virtually impossible to achieve there was a motion to amend it down to a two-thirds majority again that was defeated this council felt that a simple majority was sufficient um in that case and i think we would be creating a double standard if sometimes a simple majority is okay and other times we're going to get set the bar so high that 80 percent would be required it was the desire of the committee to be consistent with what our past actions were and that is why it was lowered down to the simple majority and i think that if there is a simple majority that feels somebody is qualified uh that would be sufficient we talked about an example where um if something happened with the city attorney choosing to retire and then there was an emergency where perhaps his replacement was involved in a bad accident and was able to perform the functions we would need to get probably the previous city attorney back on the payroll as soon as possible and um a simple majority we want to make sure that we can have somebody like that back to work if they so desire in an emergency situation and setting the bar at 80 percent there might be some personalities or for some reason people might not want to do it but in the good of the city a simple majority is absolutely necessary in this case thank you alman sushi alman ryan thank you your honor uh this is much different than setting up historic districts the the purpose of this resolution um was to avoid any uh doubt in the public's mind about whether something is right or whether it's not um i would think in the case that older person sushi just stated regarding a city attorney's position i would think that 80 percent of the council would have the common sense to say that is a legitimate issue and that they would not have a problem approving that position um the the sole purpose of this document is to take out any doubt in the public's mind that what is being done is the right thing to do at 50 percent we still have the other half that don't agree with it the question mark is out there at 80 percent there is no doubt thank you thank alman ryan any further discussion there is none please call the roll this is on the amendment on the amendment to change it from the simple majority to 80 percent and i vote would do that montemayor ratki ryan susha vander wheel verhaselt no boran berg serda graf i'm sorry hannah kittleson clioness no and mayer eight eyes six no amendment passes motion passes now need a motion alman ryan too your honor i would like to make a motion to quickly get amended resolution of comment passes it would be the amended substitute revised resolution please sorry is that is that what you meant is that what you meant thank you okay it's playing around okay is that okay please call roll yes ratki ryan susha vander wheel verhaselt no boran berg serda graf hannah kittleson clioness meyer montemayor no ten eyes four nos motion carries great ordinances introduced 10 2567 through 2572 to be referred ordinances introduced 10 2573 lies over 2574 through 76 to be referred matters laid over 11 ro number 5390607 by the city plan commission recommended amended the zoning for property located at the northern terminus of taylor drive from class mixed residential to class north taylor point plan unit development classification alderman montemayor thank you your honor i make a motion to accept and adopt the report of officer and the general ordinance be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion they're being done please call roll ratki ryan susha vander wheel verhaselt boran berg serda graf hannah kittleson clioness meyer and montemayor 14 eyes motion carries 2432 or over 5530607 by the city plan commission recommended amended the zoning of property located east of taylor drive in south of germany avenue from class suburban industrial to suburban commercial classification alderman montemayor thank you your honor i move to accept and file the arrow and the ordinance be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion they're being done please call roll ryan susha vander wheel verhaselt boran berg serda graf hannah kittleson clioness meyer montemayor and ratki 14 eyes motion carries 2476 will be referred to salary and grievance 2477 general ordinance number 990607 by alderman vander wheel serda berg meyer and montemayor amended sections of the municipal code so as to increase the fees of administrative cost and storage cost for impounded vehicles alderman vander wheel thank you honor i move the general ordinance be put upon its passage motion and second under discussion they're being done please call the roll susha vander wheel verhaselt boran berg serda graf hannah kittleson clioness meyer montemayor ratki and ryan 14 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law 2577 will be referred to law and licensing 2578 will be will lie over 2579 a resolution by alderman ryan approving the terms and conditions of the amended and restated shanty building ground lease between the redevelopment authority and central pier llc alderman ryan thank you your honor do we need to suspend the rules on this yes request that we suspend the rules as your objection there is no please continue sir i would like to uh refer to uh city attorney mcclean on this okay make motion first well i would like to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage is there and then your second to that under discussion would you like to please turn turn mcclean thank you alderman ryan thank you your honor um first of all apologize to the to the council for getting you the documents rather late the the amended and restated ground lease for a little background the this relates to the shanty building ground lease this is the shanty the two-story shanty building on the south pier on south pier drive built by harborside development and entertainment the principles of that llc are here with us tonight that jeff bartson and john schwarz who've uh i believe been before the council several times previously on various various items the the water taxi and the various other things uh they they came before the redevelopment authority with a request to amend the existing ground lease for the shanty building that is completed down there and the the request stems from requests from an underwriter on the project they the building has been condominiumized they've got rental excuse me residential units on the second floor i believe there are eight units and they've got accepted offers to sell those eight units to individual unit owners uh and i believe they're all being financed by country-wide financial uh as an underwriter the underwriter had issues with some of the terms in the existing ground lease and as requested through the developer that the redevelopment authority and the council agree to amend the terms of the ground lease uh basically to provide more protection to a mortgage holder uh loaning money to a purchaser of one of these units uh give them more comfort that the the ground lease is not going to be foreclosed out from under them by the landlord which is redevelopment authority there are three main areas that they asked to be addressed and i'd like to go through each of those three one at a time if you have any questions on any of this feel free to ask the first they they had a concern with was the the rent uh amounts not not the amounts but the way in which uh the increases were structured in the ground lease these are 85 year ground leases uh the concept was that the rent would be initially set at one twentieth of the then current fair market value of the land as established by the city assessor then each five years uh under the ground lease the the rent would stay the same for five years then the assessor would review the then current fair market value of the land and increase the rent to the then to one twentieth of then current fair market value so i understand that countrywide had a concern about that as they could not really the gauge or anticipate what those increases could be and uh and they were looking for more certainty so what you have in front of you and it shows on the i'm looking at the the red line version that's the marked up version on the top of the third page um this deals with the rent it's hard to read i know because parts of it are crossed out and parts of it are underlined but uh the proposal is to put in a fixed annual increase of the greater of four percent or the increase in the consumer price index for the all consumers in the midwest so that's the greater of four percent or the cpi i think cpi has been tracking the last 100 years probably less than four percent but in the event of you know high inflation periods that would protect the city in the event the prices went up significantly that would start november of of this year as opposed to waiting for five years so we'd start getting increases right away what that works out to you know over five years as we have normally done it that's automatic 20 increase in the five-year period that's not too bad considering well you don't know what the the market value of the land is going to increase but this is kind of a fixed on both sides so you know it's going up four percent a year at least i i think the the tenant the developers probably would not have cared too much for a four percent increase a year for 85 years in normal circumstances but because of the fact that the rent right now is it started out at 6100 dollars you're starting at relatively small base and going up four percent a year so that was acceptable to the developer it's acceptable to countrywide redevelopment authority also agreed to that the that turned out to be really the easiest issue we had the second issue dealt with lien rights and subordination and this this is the issue that really tied in with the next one also concerns a mortgage lender of an individual unit in other words you buy one of these condominium units and you borrow money from the lender the lender gets as security for that loan a mortgage in your interest in your condominium unit the concern mortgage company has is if for whatever reason there's a default in the ground lease that may not have anything to do with that unit the redevelopment authority can foreclose the entire ground lease and the mortgage holder ends up having a mortgage on nothing basically they get foreclosed out and that's you know that's a concern of individual mortgage lenders obviously so what the language that's in here that was acceptable to the the mortgage company basically allows or provides that the landlord the redevelopment authority would agree to subordinate its first lien rights in the rent payments to the mortgage of the individual unit owners the there's also language in there that it's that the landlord does not subordinate and will not subordinate its fee interest in the land so it's not a question of losing priority in ownership of the land but this this then allows a mortgage holder in the event that their customer is in default on their loan to foreclose on their unit without having to fear that we're going to then foreclose on the whole thing and they get subordinated or foreclosed out the third issue they had was with the default provisions and this also ties into the lien rights the default provisions are on pages 14 and 15 the lease the ground leases we have down there have two two categories of situations for default one is defaults before the the project is completed and then there's a category for defaults after the project is completed the city's concern biggest concern is when we enter to these ground leases we're leasing the land for 85 years we want to ensure that a project gets built there that has a tax base and that it's it's built in the manner that they agreed to build it and has certain minimum value that's very important to us if that isn't done if the building is not built we want to be able to foreclose and get them off of there and get some other developer on there we don't want to have to wait 85 years sitting up with an empty lot so our rights to for default and to remedy default prior to completion are stronger than they are later on after the building is completed the building here in this case is completed that's not an issue we're looking at now defaults after completion of the improvements here again what the mortgage lender had a concern with was non financial defaults such things as there there are provisions in here for conditions of and use of the property and it provides for instance that the property on the first floor will only be used for commercial retail food and gift shops and things like that mortgage lender of a unit upstairs that's a residential unit would have a concern if say a a tenant downstairs in one of the retail shops started really running an office instead of a retail and we were as a redevelopment authority to say that's a default under the lease we're going to foreclose and we're going to take the building back that sort of default the the mortgage lender on an upstairs unit really doesn't have a whole lot of control over and so they have a concern about the city being able to really wipe them out for something that they can't do much about if there's a default so because of that what the language we have tentatively agreed to and the redevelopment authority agreed to was on page 15 there basically in this deals again with defaults that are non-monetary if they're non-monetary defaults rather than having as a remedy the ability to recover possession of the the entire project we would have all our remedies provided by law except for recovery possession and in addition we'd have this injunction and specific performance which means we could go to court to compel the tenant to refrain from action that is in violation of the lease right to compel the condominium association to to cure the default and if necessary appoint a new director or manager right to levy on all accounts of the condominium association for purposes of curing the defaults and the right to collect actual attorney fees and costs in any action that we do maintain for purposes of attempting to cure those defaults basically everything except being able to recover possession of the entire premises again this is looking at it from the standpoint of the the individual unit owners mortgagee so that's proposed language those are the primary significant changes there's there's a couple of you know non substantial changes they've on the first page you see that added some reference to the fact that this condominium association was created and there was a condominium plat established on the property the redevelopment authority did meet on this on march 22nd approved these changes at least conceptually they didn't we didn't have all the final language but they agreed to allow this to come forward to the council subject to uh are working out the final language with the developer prior to the council taking action i don't know the developers are here i don't know if they want to say anything or not i don't know if you want to open the floor to them we got uh questions from uh oldman oldman born you go first thank you your honor uh attorney mclean uh just a point of clarification for me on the property taxes that are going to be generated by this development the landlord's property taxes uh on the commercial part of the building would go to pay off the tiff uh because that's in the tiff districts is that correct the now the rent comes to the city okay um the the property taxes yes go to towards the payment off and then what about the uh what about the condo owners uh those are individual property owners would their property taxes go directly to the city as any other property any other property owner or is that also because it's in the tiff uh any any taxes generated uh would would be part of the tiff uh whether it's an individual you know basically it's the same uh taxable entity it's just broken up into smaller components so you got different people perhaps paying but it's it's really tax on the building and the improvements um whether it's owned by eight people or 10 people or one person it's really uh the same concept that that tax that's generated over and above what the base value was uh goes towards the paying off the tiff is that is that's the way it's usually handled it seems odd to me that if these people are individual owners of part of that building they have some ownership there of that portion of the building i i don't under i guess i don't understand why that isn't treated like the property taxes on my house i mean i'm an individual owner of my of my residence they have a residence as part of that building why aren't those taxes going directly to the city like any other property owner i i don't know well they're they're all going to the city that's that's the benefit of the tiff they go to the city as opposed to being split up between the city and the school district and the county all right okay i understand thank you thank yelvin borand alderman hannah oh thank you mayor um attorney mclean during discussion this it seems like a very complicated solution was there any discussions are just selling the land and controlling all of this through ordinance and getting out of the lease business uh not not in this discussion no thank yelvin hannah alderman ryan um to answer alderman hannah's question the land on the south pier district is not it is all lease properties at this time lord thank you alderman kielsen thank you mayor i guess i just wondered too it's an 85 year lease 85 year ground lease is that what we're saying yes what happens then after the 85 years that just property reverts back to the city okay and the 85 years began running two years ago and so we're not starting a new 85 year period it's all right we're just amending what's currently in place thank you there's a little bit of humor in that yeah i won't say where but anything else okay wonderful let's take a vote on 25 79 has moved in second to approve to put resolution upon his passage please call the roll vander wheel for hasselt boron berg serda graf hannah no excuse me thank you kittleson clioness meyer montemayor ratki ryan and susha 13 eyes one no motion carries 2580 lies over 2581 lies over 2582 and 83 also and 84 also lies over 2585 will be referred to public works other matters attorney mclean thank you your honor 2586 is a communication from ronald green president of the concordia singing society requesting the use of the blue harbor conference center for their 150th anniversary in february 2010 using one of the city's free usage days that will be referred to finance 2587 is a communication from drone weniger vfw post 1230 commander requesting permission for the vfw wolf olson post 1230 and auxiliary and vfw post 9156 on auxiliary to hold their annual buddy poppy drive on may 18th from 9 to 6 and on may 19th from 9 a.m. to 1 p.m. on various corners and business places in the city should boy that will be referred to public protection and safety 2588 is a communication from gary seager president of the great lakes fish company ink proposing that is the city is planning on replacing planking on the boardwalk because of the nature of their business they would request the concrete surface be extended an additional 50 feet to the south of the current concrete surface that will be referred to public works 2589 is a communication from ronald green president of the concordia singing society requesting permission to hold their picnic at fountain park on friday august 10th requesting to be able to use the name germanite in the park sponsored by concordia and requesting a permit to sell beer at fountain park for this event that will be referred to law and licensing and public works 2550 is submitting as a matter of record the decision by the wisconsin supreme court in pool versus city shabuagan that one will just lie over 2591 is a resolution authorizing entering into contract for professional services for the monitoring and reporting of sanitary flows within the shabuagan sanitary interceptor sewer system that one will lie over 2592 is a resolution vacating part of lot one south pier plant that will be will be referred to city plan motion second to adjourn all in favor say aye we stand adjourned