 Good morning everyone. If you don't mind we'd like to get started now. Thank you for coming today. We really appreciate it I hope you've had a nice breakfast and coffee. My name is Shauna Sadler. I'm the director of the Digital Library and Innovation at Deakin University in Australia. I'm formally from University of Calgary and originally Canadian, so I don't have an accent yet But maybe next year if I present I'll come with a few Aussie sayings So I'm here today with my colleagues Renee Riome from University of Calgary and Mike Nutt from North Carolina State University So today we're going to be speaking to you about video walls in academic libraries and yesterday UNC Chapel Hill and Georgia State presented on Visualization walls and we do want to reiterate that there is a difference between the two and we support how they defined visualizations to walls We do find that Video walls tend to be in public spaces high traffic spaces and that content is Prepared ahead of time and scheduled versus visualization walls, which tend to be workspaces with real-time content Okay, so I'm going to speak to you about what we have at Deakin University So just quickly Deakin has four main campuses each with its own unique library our video wall installation is at the waterfront campus and This is the view that we have from our library that it showed that off a little The demographic that we serve at the waterfront library is mostly undergraduate students between the ages of 20 and 24 years old and 60% female There's a roughly even distribution across the disciplines of business and law health and the science and sciences So we do tailor our messages to this group and keeping in mind their information needs at specific points in the semester So this is our video wall. It's five high resolution touch screens five point touch screens With zoned overhead speakers and we have named the wall the verge because this wall these screens are intended to be a Window into our digital library So here are programmatic objectives first and foremost, this is a renovated library space So with the renovation we installed this this video wall So we wanted it to be an impressive space when people came into the library that they had that wow factor Second is to have an opportunity to introduce people to our digital library both our collections and services and Third the intention was for the screens to act as individual workspaces for them So you can see they're on pivots and they were they were intended to swivel 180 So we've been operating the verge for about a year now and I'm happy to report on some of the successes that we've had So first the students are reporting that they do like the verge It does set a positive and progressive tone to our library Some of our initial observations that students will walk by and they look at the screens for about two to ten seconds We recognize that this is passive engagement instead of the active engagement that we had designed the space for But we do find that they are having impact which is positive. We are still Practicing and trying out new ways of measuring that impact. We're getting there But we have observed that we do need to keep the message simple That we do have to implement a dynamic element to the screens That way we catch their eye as they're walking by And this is also a best practice in digital signage So we find that the best practices of digital signage apply to our video wall installation We have two graphic designers on staff one of which is working at the verge on any given time We do create custom content for our screens because of the nature of the screens mainly because they are the five individual portrait mode and There isn't much content. That's originally designed for this type of display. So we do have to create it custom We use the verge as one of the library's communication channels that seems to be working well for us The content is created as an exhibit and displayed One exhibit per week and we plan this content to meet the needs of the students at the time of semester. So here When students were preparing for essays, we were displaying different types of digital collections that we had So this is one that we have from art store And what we've noticed as a best practice for displaying Our digital collections is if we put them in context So with this one of one of our graphic designers had just returned from Paris and she had visited many museums And so she had put the images from art store in a frame and you can tell that there is a hardwood floor and a museum bench that was see the bench in there and That resonated with students more than just when we had put the images Straight on to the screen. So that was a positive experience Second is marketing our services. Here is Josephine our architecture and built environment liaison librarian And a collection of her recommendations and favorite books in the subject area by the time we had put this exhibition up we had been observing student behavior with the screens and We observed that the three screens to the right reviewed most often by people passing by So we consider these screens the most valuable real estate of the verge and we place the key messages on these screens So just a close-up of that content. So there's a picture of Josie some of her recommendations and her favorite books One of the highest impact exhibitions that we've had is actually been from our special collections Deakin hosted a children's literature conference And so one of our graphic designers worked with the special collections librarian and found these books from Early Australian children's literature that focused on fairies and so she digitized the images with approval of course and Animated specific elements of the images and we put them on the verge for the conference and for a week display And they're just so charming and even the undergraduates were we're interested in them And now they're engaging they were asking about our special collections And so excuse me. So we're looking forward to having more undergraduates using our special collections Actually, this graphic designer was also invited to speak at the South by Southwest conference for her work on this So we're really quite proud of it Deakin University library is quite well known for digital literacy initiatives And so we have several animated videos and we used the verge as a space to display these as well And we also work with the campus marketing department overall And so we we are an active part of their communication strategies. So here's our display for orientation a week We applied the color palette and the style guide they had created And here are some of the messages so we created unique library messages for this event But we we were part of the holistic communications environment. I think it's fair to say Australians like their sport and so so in the library we display we the events live and We do market it as saying study without missing out on the action and so here's a picture of when we hosted the Aussie rules football Grand final that's like the Super Bowl of Aussie rules football and it was swans versus hawks very controversial very exciting And we did quite a lot of marketing ahead of time to let students and know that we'd be displaying That we'd be showing the game and we did have a lot of students studying in that time And what was happening? They would check in with the screens to take a break watch the game check the scores And it was fantastic and they did let us know that they appreciated that we were there for them that that they could study And still be part of the game so that way they they could speak to that their friends about it They weren't missing out We've also shown the World Cup soccer the Tour de France and the one that surprised us is when we displayed the Melbourne Cup I'm not sure if any of you know about this. It's a famous horse race in Australia The entire country shuts down for a day people are off work across the country so we can watch a horse race so we showed it on the screens and Just for this five-minute race We probably had 50 to 80 faculty members general staff and students stand shoulder to shoulder in front of the verge and Watch the horse race together and they all cheered for who they put their bets on and it was wonderful We didn't market it at all, but we had developed a reputation of showing events on in the campus So so that was a nice and nice turn of events We've also started providing gaming opportunities for the students on the verge So again, we're serving this demographic. They this group of undergraduates this age They are involved in gaming gaming is part of their lifestyle. This is how they relax So during exams we want to provide them with an opportunity to take it down a notch to be able to take that space To game for a little while relax and then go back to their studying and you can see this one gentleman decided to Celebrate his graduation day with a little Mario Kart We also like to introduce our students to new kinds of content not just what we have But we we have this piece that's an interactive art piece from the University of Calgary and renail speak to that later And the students got a real kick out of it They it certainly caught their eye they walked by and there was a bull huffing and puffing at them And it's hard to see here, but there's a Microsoft Kinect That's a sensor base So as you walk closer the bull gets agitated and when you stand on the last footprint The bull charges you and it's quite an experience and and it was something new so the the students had never seen anything like that before and they they thought that was really interesting and We did have one faculty member say that he wanted to do an Australian version So we could have a kangaroo charging you so we would definitely a host to kangaroo So here's some quick lessons that we've learned in the year that we've been running the verge It's the touch feature so on the verge the video while itself the students have not been touching the screen So this image on the bottom those are two actors that we paid to pose. That's what we wanted to happen It's not what really happens the students walk by they do look but they don't touch the screens Now I do want to quickly say that we do have individual touch screens scattered through the library and they are touch screens More for wayfinding and information like shopping malls and airports those have been successful The students do rely on those and we've been told very clearly Not to take them down not to change the content because they rely on them for their academic experience. So that's positive We are going to try other modes to make the verge interactive friendly You know Joan Lippincott speaks to creating spaces that are intuitive to students So they know how to behave in that space and we've been trying different designs on the screens But that hasn't worked. So we're going to try different types of furniture or maybe Trying to divide the space a little bit. We're going to try new things and hope it hope it works We've had a bit of trouble with some of the vendors We thought it would be easy to market what we licensed from them But it's turned out to be quite a challenge. They were not giving us permission to display their content on our screens and so we've had to be We've had to be creative with how we do it. So when we had created Josie's screens We had to type the the names of the titles. We couldn't put it a logo or an image display of them and The best we could do for her favorite books was to take a picture of three quarters of the binding Instead of the front cover, which is what we wanted to do So if if you're thinking about video walls, please keep this in mind that maybe the vendors are still getting their heads wrapped around this concept But it's it's been a challenge for us we also think it's important for the students to have takeaways and We've been working with QR codes and bit.ly links and those have had limited success, but we're continuing to work on that and some of our future plans is With the content creation, we're working with more open access objects and creating Some different exhibits and so here we did one for exam study tips And so we are an open access library so we thought it'd be best if we walk the talk and so we are making our content available through our blog for other libraries to use and I'm having a hard time getting the students to engage with them with the screens intuitively so I'm going to bribe them So this is an exhibit. We're calling more than just books So if they can read that in this eye chart, they can also read on the bottom that they get a $5 gift voucher to the library cafe We were joking. We're gonna train them Pavlovian style and then Inspired by our colleagues, we're going to start looking at the rest of deacon for other sources of content There's content being created all sorts of places How can we reuse that content in our space? And of course our graphic designers will have to be involved because of the unique style of our screens But we think it's important I'm gonna pass it over to my colleague Renee Good morning. The public video display walls that I'll be speaking to within the University of Calgary are within the Taylor family digital library and I'll again make some distinctions in terms of what we're speaking to here today We have two public media walls both on our first and second floor But also too we have an array of Christie digital tiles that we use in various installations And so we sort of have a spectrum of built-in interactive video displays as well as sort of pop-up interactive displays So here's the first floor the Taylor family digital library and you can see our media wall there And then the one that we have on the second floor is a direct replica of that to place this in context At the height of term We probably have about ten thousand people a day coming through this space and on the first floor There's doors on either end. So it's very much a thoroughfare So it's fantastic. It's busy, but just as Shauna spoke to it's it's a limited engagement that people have with these screens And what we found in experiences? We end up either having something that people sort of pass by or we start to create little events around the screens And so then that creates some greater engagement with them So for our programmatic objectives Really the the screens are intended to highlight support events exhibitions creative endeavors of the University of Calgary and also Support creative collaborative endeavors showcase libraries and cultural resources collections Again, we have libraries. We have special collections. We have archives. We have museums We've got a wealth of resources that that we can showcase and also to is to to maximize The the use of the technology including support of research endeavors And so that's where too a little bit later on you'll see an example of how we use some of our Christie tiles to support research Next I'm just showing you some slides of things that we've had up on the media walls And again, it's not to say that these are just the the best works of art You've ever seen but for us to starting out on this it was helpful for us just to even see what if people put up On their walls, what sort of things do they do they do and again for us to show that is to highlight collections Highlight features within the Taylor family digital library highlight the other libraries that we have Or just even events that are happening and around campus as well And then to again a distinction that we've made here as well as that We also do have a visualization studio on our fourth floor. That's an entirely different entirely different presentation But also to is just to promote promote other features of the building to to people coming through as We worked with the media walls more again We we saw that we needed to create a little bit more Dynamic with the wall and so there are times where there is a display that's just sort of a static display or rotating display But whenever possible we try and create some sense of movement with what's happening up there And so when we introduced 3d printing in our third floor digital media commons at the start of term We wanted to create some kind of action and dynamic around that And also to just even with open access and open access week Just to have something a little bit more dynamic more movement to to catch people as they come through and then a well as well this doesn't do it justice but a An exhibition that we had within our visualization studio and but to promote it again on that first and second floor when people come through And I think as Sean has alluded to and what Michael speak to as well It it's difficult getting interesting content Content that you can use on these walls and so part of what we started to do is work with partners across campus To see what else is going on there? What else can we get from students to put up on the walls? And so a partnership that we started to form with the with the chemistry department They too had their own media walls that they had in a high traffic area in between some science theaters And so we started to work with them on content that we could share with each other And so the graphics on this are a little cheesier, but it's a it's a contest that they had for Chemistry week and so students could go around take pictures around campus of what could fit into the periodic table Or also to what we had up on the media wall was sort of guess this element And you could look at different pictures and and guess what element it might be and again These images will look very familiar to you just saw them a minute ago from deacon and so what we did is we adapted the the images from the exam time tips and Worked them into our media walls and again You can see just a fundamental difference of going from portrait to landscape was no easy feat So basically we took apart the images and rebuilt them from scratch But we love the idea and the creativity And so too when we first put these up on our wall and we're going through just to see how things looked That golden lab was up there and students walked through and again They don't normally stop and look at the wall, but this student these students came up They looked and they squealed when they saw that puppy and we've never had anyone squeal at our wall before So we were on to something there And again just highlighting Conferences that we host as well And so some of our successes To highlight an event that we hosted for the centenary of w. Mitchell who is an alberta author whose Papers we hold in our archives Our outreach librarian worked with a local school w. Mitchell school and part of their language arts assignment was to Look at how does technology affect the process of creativity in the process of writing And so somehow we dug up a bunch of typewriters and brought them into our main floor Brought the students in and showed them what a typewriter was and And sit down and work with it. And so just the process of writing using a typewriter And across the way you can see the media wall and I'll get to that in a second But so we had them work there and then also then worked with our special collections and hands-on work with w. Mitchell's materials And then into our third floor digital media commons using high-end pcs max audio video audio video editing suites So again just that whole process of of how how does technology impact creation And then we were able to bring in our our visualization coordinator And we did a timeline of w. Mitchell's life and events and there, too You can see the students looking at the media wall and And checking that out So for us it was a nice way to integrate that wall in with an outreach program in with some direct learning within the tftl Some further collaboration with hunt and michael speak to this a little bit later, too Is we got some code from hunt and adapted that to our own So student engagement photo participation We called it libspot so students could take pictures around any university of calgary library Submit that through to us through flicker. It would come up on our media wall But also what we did then too is we set up some pop-up christie tile installations And you saw from the pictures of the tailor the beautiful large glass windows facing out This is in calgary in this we had this in january february So mornings are dark nights are dark. It's cold and it's just that time in term And so it was beautiful having those images of the students work sort of radiating out into different areas across campus And sort of brightening things up at that time of year And here's a picture of our winner randomly drawn And shawna spoke to the bowl And we set up the bowl initially within On our second floor media wall where it's a little bit less traffic And people can kind of play around in there a little bit more And so again, it's just through a connect and as you get closer to the wall The bowl gets more and more agitated and then it charges at you We put this up first during the calgary stampede and so that's an event that happens every july It's a big rodeo Big trade show everything sort of non-stop party for two weeks And so for us it was it was fun to add sort of an artistic endeavor to to enhance the the calgary stampede Another installation that we had within the tailor so now going from sort of fixed Media wall displays tying in connect now just directly into a christie tile installation Was something called the act of looking and this came from A program that we have or will lend out some of our technology to to faculty to use in their own in their own labs or Studios and so some computer science students were Creating sort of a pop-up gallery elsewhere on campus and they needed some access to some christie tiles So we loaned them out and we said, you know But we want you to come back and bring some of your work in here into the tailor And so this was one work that a graduate student did and he had stitched together pictures of Abandoned buildings and again as you got closer and at a different angle with the connect You could sort of enter into this portal and go through different areas of the building Another area of general success. I think for us with the media walls has been I use media events And I chose this picture and I know it's the one time our media wall is black That they took the picture with with our mayor mayor nenshi And you may know he was declared the best mayor in the world And so that's why we were happy that he was there in our library He's been on our library many times But also to just like in shawna's library. We have host sporting events other things like that where students come in and engage with the walls So again some quick lessons learned. I think generally As we've worked more and more with the walls we've learned to appreciate to use the walls within the context and so again, they're high traffic areas And just knowing what you can do with them within a particular context and so everyone works within their own context Your library is located in a certain part within your campus or is on a particular campus. And so it's being mindful of that Also too with us When we first had the wall set up, we didn't have a really good software solution for managing them And so we were really like the Wizard of Oz behind the scenes unplugging things and it was really difficult to be Responsive be agile and our team is a pretty agile team But you've got to give them the the technology and the the software to work with as well to to be agile Also too for lessons learned It's fantastic and we love sharing resources with with hunt and deacon But it takes time to repurpose those So you need the the time and the support from your administration to put in that time and the expertise to be able to do it effectively Also too. I'll show you a ugly picture of our back room is that it takes time to stage these installations So again, you you literally need the space to be able to set this up And then the the time for people to go through and test things so that it works behind the scenes before you put it out front and center And the installation that we had for the art of the act of looking Jerry the computer science person. He was in our back room for probably two weeks getting that set up So it was great when it was there, but it takes time and you need to be able to expect that This setup that we've got back here is in preparation for something that we're trying to test for a more sort of semi permanent installation of Chrissy Tiles within the tailor and I'll just show you this picture Just to highlight that Within so setting up these walls. It can be high risk again. I said for us sometimes it was You know, he was the emperor has no clothes. I don't know but Sort of the the wizard of Oz and just having things up and working and so When it doesn't work, it's not good And I I'll talk a little bit more with our collective recommendations about what happened with chemistry But when it does work, it's fantastic And this is a picture again of our mayor as well our university president the tailors who are donors to this library And so when you can create a venue in a forum such as this to to be this kind of Support for your university and we're getting the tailors They had such a positive experience and and how we were stewards for them within this library That when they wanted to give more money to our university They wanted that event hosted within the tft l again And so again for us. It's such a great compliment. And so then that's the that's the high reward in all of this Thank you. I'll pass things on to mike Hi, good morning mic nut As of about five or six days ago the director of visualization services at nc state, which is very exciting Before that I was serving in an informal role as the editor-in-chief of the video wall content program that I'll discuss today So I'm talking specifically about our james v hunt junior library Which opened in 2013 is our second main branch on our centennial campus adjacent to our college of textiles and college of engineering And As was mentioned earlier, we have a number of visualization spaces some of which are much more like the ones that were discussed Yesterday visualization walls that are more geared towards active research and collaboration The installations that i'm going to be discussing today for video walls that I think of as digital architecture So we have almost 800 square feet of pixel space. That's literally flush with the walls integrated into our architecture The and all of these installations that you'll see are the technology behind them is christie microtiles So the first wall that you see as you enter the library area is our art wall. It's a 20 foot wide Wall above our central service point Next you see our eye pearl immersion theater, which we kind of think of as our premier exhibit space It's probably the most visible wall because it's at eye level So you pretty much have to see it as you walk into the library It has a curved screen to create an immersive effect. It has both fixed and flexible seating and speakers in the ceiling for audio and Finally a touch screen in the space to select content from The third installation is in kind of the heart of the building in our Academic spaces between our two learning commons. This is the commons wall It's across from a staircase that allows for kind of impromptu seating discussion And finally the visualization wall in the fourth floor is our most unique shape This non contiguous Arrangement Kind of epitomizes the the blend of digital and physical that that you see in hunt You can design content for a single rectilinear canvas For this wall and it automatically creates a kind of picket fence effect So three programmatic objectives that I like to discuss We're really focused on engagement So we think of the content on the wall is not really as an end in itself But but hopefully the beginning of relationship with our faculty and students And we kind of think of engagement both as Establishing relationships reciprocal relationships where we're both getting something out of the relationship and also engaging in the sense of Creating interactive content that's engaging So we never thought that we would provide all the content for these walls So we also have a strategy of crowdsourcing content from our academic community So we we think of this as a new form of scholarly communication. We try to open that up by Doing partnerships with with our campus So for instance, this is what you're seeing is An image from a calendar that a graduate student association had made that we repurposed for our commons wall And finally the walls serve an aesthetic purpose So the the walls are kind of constantly changing and that affects the the aesthetic of the environment They provide a lot of wow factor for us They signal to you when you walk into the library that you're in a different kind of library, which is great So quickly a few successes So the the code base that renais mentioned Was started as our project my hunt library, which is now Lintel an open source project that you can all download This was one of our kind of signature pieces of content that was there when we opened the library on day one And it really hit a lot of targets for us and that was one of the reasons why it was so successful It was a way for students to engage with us so they can take pictures tag them hunt library on instagram and very easily Create content for us by putting those images up on the wall It it's always changing so it's it's dynamic because new pictures are still coming on still coming on It's also We are ingesting these photos into our digital collections So students are actually contributing to our our permanent archival collections And they've told us that they really value being a part of creating the story of nc state our library Which was kind of unexpected. We didn't know how they would respond to that That aspect and finally it Allows people to interact with the walls with their own mobile devices. So with things that they'll they'll have in their pockets Which has been nice A really successful piece of content is something called listen to wikipedia So this is a visualization and a sonification of real-time edits that are happening to wikipedia So the circles change according to the size of the edits and they display the article there This content already existed. So if you google listen to wikipedia, you can find us. It's it's beautiful You'll you'll really enjoy it. What we did was contact the developers and add the interaction piece that you're seeing here So by scanning a qr code You can get a menu on your mobile device that allows you to select which languages are displayed So that this was a win in that it again features a way to interact using your mobile device And also we saved a bunch of time on labor. We didn't have to create the whole thing We just created a piece of it and added some value to something that already existed We had a visiting scholar last summer from the university of san francisco, uh, david silver who is the associate professor of Get this right media studies environmental studies and urban agriculture, which is probably the coolest appointment that i've ever heard of So david research is black mountain college in western north carolina, which if you're not familiar with this University, it's it's worth your time to look it up. It was Probably one of the most experimental Colleges in in american history From the 30s through the 50s. It was an art college that had faculty like joseph albers headed the The painting program orce cunningham john cage bugminster fuller And so what david did was construct a story of the the work program Actually, there was a farm there and the students worked on the farm. They actually built the bar in there And told different parts of that story as he took a group of people through the building using different visualization spaces to tell Different parts of that story And kind of crafting the story to be reinforced by the various Screens so we had two happenings we called them and we walked people through the building and for for me This was kind of the approving point that the hunt library is a storytelling building Which I think is a really unique aspect of of the hunt library So some lessons learned Always be lowering the the barriers to entry for participation, especially if you're crowdsourcing your content from your academic community So we're kind of relying on the idea from the tech world of cookbooks So we're building recipes and templates that that people can use What you see here is the photoshop template that was actually used in the the calendar That I showed earlier So we have photoshop templates for all the walls But not all content is rendered content. That is not images or videos. So we also have html and css Code that you can download that that gives you The a framework for working on the wall It's actually a lot of the content that i'm showing are just large web pages And I think that you'll find for these kinds of installations web content gives you a lot of flexibility So we're providing this code to make it easier for people to make web pages for the walls Documentation i'm not sure how many people in the room would own up to ever playing dungeons and dragons Maybe you maybe you kept your kids from playing dungeons and dragons So documentation obviously is important, but it's it's not just important to Convey the technical specifications The the reason why I went with this kind of metaphor of using dungeons and dragons to create like a player's guide Like how do you use these walls? Was because I wanted to add more context to the the technical specifications So the art wall is better at abstract art. It's high in air. So you don't want to put a lot of text there The immersion theater has sound so it's really good for music and voiceovers That kind of information is is critical Internally and externally so this started as a guide that we used internally and that's why I could get goofy with it And use dragons I de-dragonified the Document and it's now a document that I hand out to external parties when I'm meeting with them to create content for the walls Massively responsive design so I mentioned that the web content is important So with lintel and the my hunt library project what we did was design a back end that could drive both mobile display and Large-scale video display. So you're probably familiar with the idea of responsive design in the sense that You want your content to look good both on mobile devices and computer screens We took that a step further so that it looks good all the way from a mobile device to a massive Video wall so saving yourself some development time there New metrics, so we've done a couple user studies at this point And what I think what you'll find with these kinds of installations is that traditional metrics like dwell time And information retention are are not going to give you the kind of return on investment that that you really want So I'm a big proponent of an idea that Joan Lippincott has discussed before The idea of the the library is a third place. It's not your home place. It's not your workplace It's a community center and conversations are a part of that that that community building So when I think about our content, I think how many conversations is this piece of content going to generate We want to have conversations with college of design students about how they can apply what they're learning to these large canvases We want to have Conversations with patrons who tell us about cool data visualizations. They want to see We want to have conversations with faculty members about how they can change their approach to scholarly communication So these pieces of content generate lots of conversations not as much dwell time So just a couple quick future plans We're actually wrapping up a student visualization contest a code art student visualization contest That was designed to engage students in creating Generative art so art that that is animated and constantly kind of recreates itself So that uh, so that well one we can fill up lots of screen time By showing the the pieces of art that they create over long periods of time and two This is a skill that is is really marketable for students So we're kind of thinking of these walls as a way to provide a competitive advantage for their students Designing this kind of content is is lucrative in the commercial world You can get paid lots of money to design generative art for these kinds of screens And we're giving them real life experience that they can put on their resumes and help them get jobs And lastly in terms of What's next I think we really need to start wrapping our heads around how these video walls Can be integrated into the research lifecycle So thinking about things like Can we market these walls as an avenue for broader impacts and the nsf grants that some of our researchers may be Applying to and really understanding that the needs of faculty in the the research process So next we're going to move to a stage where we discuss some collective recommendations that we've all Kind of talked about and are on the same page of and shona's going to start us off So I think what we've all all three of us have experienced is The need to design the experience that you want your demographic to have in your space before you select your hardware Especially when you're working with facilities and central it It's really easy for them to say oh, there's this hot new product. You'll gotta use it. It'll be great You need to pause and think about how it will create An experience for your people and if that's what you want And sometimes the cheaper technology is better. And so it is important to take that moment So specialized screens provide unique user experiences. That is screens that are not just your standard 16 by 9 aspect ratio That that comes with the cost of kind of limiting the the flexibility of the the content that you make for that space both in the sense that If you have specialized screens that require unique design experience That limits the number of people that can create content for it and also limits it in the sense that once you design content for that space It limits the the number of ways that you can repurpose that content You're going to want to be putting stuff that you make for the walls on youtube or on websites So you have to consider that as a as a potential limitation all right and also These kind of specialized installations require specialized expertise and support So you need dedicated staff to support these screens Quickly I alluded to what happened with chemistry The faculty member who was very keen and engaged on their digital walls. He got busy doing other stuff Handed it off to a support person and those walls went black for a while So you need you need somebody assigned to it You need the agile staff the agile technology and also you need to be able to hire the the skills to support this kind of installation So graphic design skills digital design skills you need that within this kind of space I think in in closing to what we collectively had talked about last night And what we wanted to sort of put out to everyone for further discussion is that We can see even in our own conversations with each other and what we're seeing here is that There's a need to establish some sort of community of practice and a place to either share resources share ideas Alluding back to what shawna talked about in terms of advocacy with working with vendors on being able to have this content publicly accessible We wanted to put that out there to people to see if there's if there's interest or some kind of place or means to To create this kind of community as well Thank you