 The next step is to approve the agenda. Any changes to the agenda this evening? Just the executive session at the end of the session. And the executive session for legal discussion. Yes, yes, I do need to add that. Okay. Anything else? And we will be inviting Mary Floyd into that also. Okay. Sorry, I didn't hear what you said. We will be inviting Mary Floyd into that executive session. I approve the agenda as amended. Second. Okay, all in favor? Aye. All right. I'll open it up to public comment or inquiry. Is there anything that's not on the agenda this evening that anybody wants to bring out? I'm pretty sure that Eric is on the agenda. Is there anything on agenda related to Eric that you want to bring out? No. Okay. All right. So we will, hearing done, we will move to our go to reports, motions and ordinances. Our appointments are not here. First up was to appoint a new energy committee member. Everybody have the email. So I would entertain a motion to appoint Scott Putney to the energy committee. Second. Second. Okay. All in favor? Aye. And we can move on to the warning. Eric, you've had the opportunity to talk to you. I was talking to her today and I can't remember if she had talked to you. And I know, did you take the class with her as well? Yes. Yeah. So the language that we're using here is the language that is the model that the league had sent for. Right on. I know. It looked like it was slightly different than years past. Now there was the town officers report that was removed from the warning that just doesn't pertain anymore. It doesn't because, you know, it's really, well it's a formal kind of an awkward point in the warning. Really what's the point of it? Whether people object to it? Right. Well what was it in the past? Was it an actual report? It was actually a financial report. The word in the past was report of the auditors. That's basically the financial part of it. Right. And then it was changed to report. So it's more of a formality. It's not something that has to be done. Anybody has comments about it? It'll be brought up from their other business, I'm sure. I think Reece could better explain 16. There's a little bit of a warning change here because it reads, shall the board approve up to the summer of 136-943 for the part of the battle in New Orleans? And that was because they, their fiscal, their year. Their year is different than ours. Yeah. Their calendar year and their fiscal year. So none of the numbers were exact to be found in the past, but it was a company. It wasn't really more of it. Right. And Reece, she's pretty particular about having things reactivated, which is insane. The other thing, Rick, has selected trustee of public funds for a term of three years. Right. And also in last years, you have to do it every year for three years and still once every three years. Is there a rule? Yeah, there's three trustees. Oh, three trustees. Okay. And that's one thing, in your packet, did you have a warning change? Actually, that's my term that's coming up and my name is not here. So I mentioned that to her. It's here in there. This is the latest and greatest. Okay. Number nine is to elect trustee of public funds for a term of three years to succeed Eric Bittson, who's term expired. Right. Oh, I didn't get that. I must still have the old version. Yeah. Yeah. It's fixed. Okay. His name's on it now. Yeah. And I'll be back before the last meeting in February the second meeting, which is the last meeting before I believe for the time being actually is just to talk to you about who's going to this part regarding each of the money issues and just, you know, so I'm kind of cued in on it. So you guys can think about that. I mean, I would do it again if everybody's okay with that. Yeah. I can do the human services material. Yeah. That's also important to make sure people don't wear it. There's a committee that actually goes with this. Yep. Because there's also a temptation to increase allocation for each of these. So, yeah. So I would be more and more willing to get up and talk about the budget. Maybe and or the kind of the reasoning behind the fund, the established funds that we want to do. I can do that all in one right before radical 10. Yeah. Just so that we don't have a lot of confusion on why we're, why we're looking for those in this year. It's really not anything other than what we've been. We just want to be able to carry that money from one physical year to another by establishing those funds. I think according to Teresa, she indicated that the general fund number includes these amounts. Right. So they keep on confused if they're adding to them. Right. Each of these. I think we have that issue one more. Correct. So why don't we, I think one of the big issues that we had one of those years was we passed the budget. Let's say this 2399 888 and then someone got says, well, then why are we looking at 1112 and 13? We've already passed all that money. So why wouldn't it be, or would it be better to have 1112 and 13 before 10? Well for these it's established in them as capital funds so that they can roll into future years as opposed to, because they're in the budget, they're part of the budget. Because what we would have to have is if you put any of those first, then you'd have to amend the amount. So someone would have to be there with some sort of calculation device to, you know, if the town decided to vote in half of them but not the other half, then before that article would come up, you'd have to amend the number, what that would be. So this is kind of almost a maximum limiting number not to exceed. And that one of these are more like a deduct. I'm just wondering if someone could say, well, then you've got a hundred and forty thousand dollars just kicking around the general fund. You don't know what you're going to do with unless we pass these things? No. Because if these, if the add-ons, if 1112, 13, 14, 15, 16, if any of those don't pass, then that comes out of the general fund expenditure. That's a maximum limited number not to exceed. Okay. I just know that people have asked, and asked, well, you know, why, we've passed the whole number, why are we talking about the rest of it, including the ambulance and the ramp? Well, in this case though, we have to establish it as a fund in order to be able to carry it from one physical year to the other. So that's really the explanation why these have to be broken out. Well, and you have to put your maximum limiting number forward because we have our other pages that break down what the tax rate will be, the implications on that. And if we did the opposite way, then you'd have a higher time. Someone would have to be there, compute numbers. Just preparing you for what you might have to say. Yeah. And we'll be, we have an appointment later here. There could be a potential non-binding resolution to go on the other business is kind of where we put the O in last year, right? Yeah. We'll stick around. Okay. Just so I'm familiar with that. The appointment last time didn't show up. I'm sort of in there coming tonight. I know. We're assuming so. So there could be a potential for that. But I didn't see, I didn't see any issues with the piece that I had. The warming. Yeah. But I guess we'd have to make a motion as a, as amended because it has been amended with Greg's copy. Is that the only, the only change? It's only one of them where you're welcome to look at my copy. I just want to just make sure that if you do it as amended, that will, that, as far as I know, that's the only change. We've got the numbers wise. I've got number 10. I've got 2399, 888. Choosers are 2, 594, 397, 294. And 11 is $2,500. 12 is 132, 775 and 5,000. And 5,000. And then 246, 50. Yup. 135, 943. And that's it. One thing you might want to just, this is a trippy old book. Someone may ask a question. I believe February 15th is a Sunday of 2012. I'm sure you said, rather than changing on, changing that date, they're going to accept me on the 16th. Right. Okay. Yeah, we'll just let them know if the question can blow. So as far as I, as far as I can tell, there's nothing else that's, that's changed other than just adding their name to this. We'll do it as amended. Okay. All right. The town's portion is the first out before the, the employees portion comes out. Nothing has changed from it. It's still the MVP. We're still using MVP for our provider. And the HRA is identical to last year. But we're just required every year to, to approve, I guess, that HRA and how it functions so that we can, we can move forward on it. And maybe there wasn't a requirement. I wouldn't hear last minute. I thought Teresa said she brought it to you, but it's probably something that just, it requires a resolution, but it's something that we guess we do every year. So the only board approval will be to approve me to sign it with no changes to it. So that's what this is. It's really just a technicality on something that we've been doing in the past and they're just continuing to do. Okay. So I'll entertain a motion for Greg to sign on behalf of the town for the HRA plan. Second. Okay. All in favor? All right. All right. I don't think in the past, even when we had the Blue Cross Blue Shield one, I don't think we ever did one annually. Yeah. Sounds right. You know, as a manager, I have the authority to do that. But when it comes to resolutions, I have to get an authority. The annuals that get up highway mileage. So again, something that we do every year, this is our certification that we do truly have roads in this town. These are the classes of those roads. Nothing has changed. This does take signatures from, they only have three lines, but I'm sure everybody can sign if you feel like it. But this is how we get our state funding for our roads for maintenance of all roadways. So there were no changes. We had last year, we had changed like one tenth of a mile had changed. But that's already been done and there were no changes this year at all. So basically same as last year. This would require an approval and signature by at least three of you. Okay. We'll make a motion and we accept it and sign it and move it on. Okay. All in favor? All right. There's a different sheet here in my packet. That's the half of the harassment. Oh, okay. Should be two pages of the harassment. I don't think any... I didn't get it. I'm sorry. No, the first page was talking about class one, two and three. Iways. Yeah, that should have gone with this. It was just an explanation of what this was. Okay. Just information. It's not exactly confused. It was actually backside of this one here. Yeah, I reprinted that. Okay. Did everybody get the rest of it, the harassment policy? Just two pages. I get the reprinting version. Did any of the members have any further discussion in regards to the third party harassment policy? So this is, I think, the third rendering of this and incorporated all the comments from the previous meeting. So this is the final version of it. Again, the intent of this document is to protect employees from harassment coming from outside the organization. It allows them the ability to step away from a situation where they don't feel comfortable and not be recommended for it. We've had some of those in the past where people are generally not somebody's case. My employees and boys are concerned about what happens if I get into trouble for it. So this just clears that up and provides them what to lay out or put into a situation where they should be. Yep. So if there are no more comments, if everybody's satisfied with it, if I could take a motion to adopt it, I'll need to get everybody's signature for it also. So moved. Okay. All in favor? All right. We'll just wait and see if that's our 6 to 15 appointment. If it's not, we'll just continue on with our last agenda item there before it's not like anybody's come up and say it. Really good. Change your mind. That's better. Okay. So we'll move over to the graph of the capital improvement budget. So I want to preface this by saying this is a very, very, very early process for this budget. So what this is, we have had, oh, about three years ago, I want to say three or four years ago, the town approved and created a fund that was just called a capital improvement fund. And looking at the language of that fund when it was created, it was a little bit vague. I think it was kind of meant to just cover a lot of different things, just in case kind of thing. And last year at town meeting, there was some talk, the ugly word of slush fund was brought up multiple times. So what this is, is a very generalized, very early in the process sort of a map for the expenditures of that fund so that hopefully we can show people that money's not just sitting there for a rainy day, it's actually going to be utilized. A roadmap to how that, there's a roadmap to how that money's going to be utilized. So I can kind of go over this, what we've done historically is put $50,000 into the fund for the last few years. And what I did was kind of go through, I went through our capital plan that we had put together a few years ago, I'm sure you all remember there was a document put together that kind of outlined. Some of the projects that the town was going to see that they thought were going to be coming up, things like town manager's office, the town's garage, some work to the town hall, water, things like that. So the concept here was to kind of take what I thought was probably the worst or the highest priority facility, which was a town garage, and look at how we could fund that through this fund. As well as we know we have some infrastructure and the needs that are going to be coming up. The water department or the water system is going to require a significant investment. So because we are very limited on how many users we have on that, any small or any large purchase of any kind with 300 and something users is a huge impact. So the other half of what I was doing here was to see how much if any of that burden I could take off of the users and go on to pay for the infrastructure, some of the water infrastructure, which again was in the language originally whenever this was created was to fund a little bit of everything. So that's kind of what these numbers look like. So what I did was I took our balance forward. If you look at the year where there's the town garage, so I did some research and I'm looking at roughly a half million dollars for a town garage and that includes everything. That's from the ground up. The physical years didn't print out on the sheets. What was the third column? The third column is what year? So the third, well, so where the $500,000 comes out would be the 19-20 year. Yes. That's this year. 19-20, yes. So next year the idea would be that we would borrow the budget we're working on now. This has no implications to the budget we're working on now. It's all capital funds. It's all not taxpayer dollars at this point. I mean it is, but it's not. We're borrowing the excess. We're using the payment of the... Using that $50,000, it's already being appropriated to that fund. So the one that has the $500,000 coming out is the year we're working on for next year. Sorry, I don't know why that didn't print out like that. So what I did was I took kind of our balance forward, which was basically an extra $150,000. So what I did is I took it, we would put down a down payment towards the garage and then end up borrowing $400,000 for the garage. And again, this is the best estimate that I have right now. I haven't gone through a whole process of trying to get estimates and things from people. And then below, if you look, that payback is at a 20-year payback. And that payment annually is $29,000. No, sorry. 15, initial and then 29 annually. Yeah, sorry. So it's $15,000 annually for that first year and then $29,000 after that. Because it's only half of a year. It takes us a while to build it. So we're only going to pay half of the payment the first year. So we're looking at roughly $30,000 for the next 19 years on that garage. And then what I did is I took, I talked with my water supervisor, Tim, and we looked at the first project, probably the highest priority project that we think of anyway, for the water department, which is to loop some lines up, Avon and Liberty Stable, get rid of some old leaky lines and loop all that around and upsize the lines, do new curb stops, which is the taps, basically. New taps down Main Street, on that line that's in Main Street now. We can't pay for a replacement on Main Street at this point. That's like a $2.2 million project. And it's just, we're just not right. So this allows us to put all of the water on the same line and know where the curb stops are at and eliminate some of the leaking lines that are dead-end lines that are not looped around. So overall, that project is $750,000. But what I've done here is I've broken that out so that this fund would pay 57% of that payment because, again, this would be a 30-year loan at 1% that we get through the state revolving fund loan. We've already been... Now, we might go after USDA, but it's going to be fairly close either way. I'm looking at a 30-year loan at 1% interest. So what that does is the annual payment on that would be $29,000, and what I've done is taken 57% of that and come out of this fund and then the water department would take on the $12,470 payment annual so that not... So the users are not paying the entire 100% of that loan because that would raise the rates quite a bit. Taking on $12,470, I think, raises the rates roughly 7%, something like that from what we saw last year. So this is just kind of how it shakes out. I mean, this was just trying to get something on paper so that we could kind of look at this and go, okay, maybe we don't want to look at a town garage. Maybe we want to look at different water lines. Maybe we want to look at this. I don't know. I just wanted to have some sort of a map that we could start with, some sort of a discussion that we could start with and then we would look at kind of how we want... how you all want to prioritize things as they start to happen. This is not meant to go to a town meeting or even be in the report. It's not going to be there. This is very preliminary, very much so. But I just wanted to kind of get it out there. We do have other projects that could be done. We've got other water line projects that could be done. We've got, you know, my office. There's a little bit of money here from my office because the assumption was if we were to do the town garage and all this other stuff that the manager's office is not going to... we're just going to stay there. So there's a small investment of roughly $10,000 to $15,000 that would need to be made on that building to shore up some electrical issues and we've got some insulation and things like that that needs to be done. And that is also in here. But this is just for discussion. So if you have different ideas of different projects you'd like to see, how you'd like to see them work, that's what this is all about. We start spitting stuff, throwing it in here, throw it in the ski and kind of see what spits out the backside of it. But again, I want to kind of keep this in our back pocket so that if this discussion comes up about a slush fund or whatever, why are we funding this, we can at least say that we're working on a plan as to how we're going to spend this money. And again, I think this is the start. I mean, it allows us to still carry over a little bit of money, but it's very little. Unfortunately, because it's only $50,000 ago that are going to be going into this, it won't be... I mean, once you use it for this first couple of projects, there won't be much happening with it for quite a while unless you increase what that appropriation is. And that's what these numbers... I'm sure you understand this, but as you see the appropriation go from 35 to 4470, that's because those debt payments are coming out of there. The appropriation is still $50,000, but the debt payments are coming out already. So they're not shown as an appropriation here. So your idea is using it so it's not pulling any additional into the budget with the borrowing. You're not increasing the budget at all. You're using what is that appropriated? It's been historically appropriated at $50,000 per year. Now, that may have to go up if down the road but there's something else that wants to be done, yes. But as of the way this looks here, no. There's actually no increase in the budget whatsoever. It's just keeping that $50,000, taking those debt payments out of that appropriation and it gets you down to $4,400. So we're spending $46,000, whatever it is, on those two payments annually. So how does this get... How will this be affected by whatever comes down from the state as far as the water situation? Well, that's what this is starting to address. But do we know what their priority list is? Do we know that replacing loop lines is high or is there something else that they want us to do like the lining of the... They don't necessarily have... I have the document and it's 90% complete, which means it's done besides crossing the T's. They're not stipulating any projects that have to be done in this specific order. It basically just says here are the projects. Some of these might be higher priority than others, but here are the projects. There's nothing out there that has to be done yesterday. So they're not saying by two years from now you have to have replaced this and that or the other thing or... Our most operate talks about that. He talks about having this master plan. He doesn't talk about having projects done. The plan had to be in place and there had to be some information on the tank. They've already looked it up. So this isn't going to... As far as I can tell, this isn't going to create a condition where the state's going to come to us a second. This needs to be first and then second. You need $10 million to do this. That's not what we're at with this. This is really just a roadmap for us. And again, after the whole process is over, the biggest project we have or the most important project is really doing the main lines and the service lines down Main Street. But it's a $2 million project and it's just not feasible to do it. You just can't do it. So what we did, what we found, what we think is a suitable alternative to that still gets us to sort of what we want to be, but it's a much more reasonable cost. There are 12 kinds of other projects out there too. And again, that's where I think this is being preliminary. Once I get you guys that master plan, you can look through it. You have every right to prioritize that thing however you want. And that's what we'll do if you fill in something else as higher priority than I do. Okay? We'll stick it in here, run the numbers and see how it goes. I mean, I guess my recommendation on what won is before we move forward with a facility for the public works, which we do need, we do need a facility because we're putting $20, $25,000 a year into that shell and we're getting nothing back. So it is wasting our money. I mean, the money that we're putting into it annually could make a payment on it right now. So however, I think we need to know what the roadmap on the water improvements is before we go forward with the building. And I think at that time what we need to, at least this is just my thoughts. And at that point I think what we need to do is kind of overlap that total cost of the water improvements over however many years it's going to take to do these projects with the consumer rate for water. So how much can the consumers foot the bill on their own at that? And look at neighboring towns, how much their water costs. And I'm on water. I pay for water. And then maybe look at whatever's left that we need to finance going towards the capital fund. I mean, maybe we'll see that that number might be more 65% water and 35% town or something like that. But I would just feel before we move forward with that we have to really know what that water map is before we move forward with that public works bill. Right, which is fine. Again, I just wanted to get this out here so that we were all aware of it. And so when the slush fund, people start throwing slush fund out there we can have something intelligent to say against it. That's really what's the intent here. And yeah, we can, you know, it might be a cool exercise just like these days I have everything right here. We can just, once we get the water master plan we can start throwing numbers in here and just see how things move around. Because it's all Excel spreadsheet so it just moves as you do it, you know. So it's interesting. That's kind of what I like about this is I don't really know what, how it's going to work with the other thing. If it's going to work, what project's going to work with what until you put everything in and you see what sort of spins out the other end of it. But I mean, we do need to move rather quickly with the public works building too. Because we're, again, we're putting, you know, more a year into that building than we could be making a payment on it. And that building has, you know, very limited on what we can do there. And again, you know, the discussion can be, this screams discussion. That's what it was meant to be by everybody here. Maybe there's a better location. Maybe there's a way to do a town office and a garage the same thing. I don't think those are all alternatives that we need to look at. I just, you know, I know that there have been studies and I looked at, and I referenced some of those studies that were done. And there was a reference to putting your town garage and the town office out by the fire department. You know, maybe. I don't know. It seems like there's some floodplain issues out there, plus it's kind of nice to have your town office in the village. But anyway, that's what this is for. Just to throw things at it and kind of see how it, how and if it works itself out. And those would definitely be the trade-offs. I mean, if we did move forward with the public works building, then obviously the town office would have to stay put for a period of time. I mean, if that's whatever, 10, 15 years, then figure out, like you were saying, what do we need to put into the building to get us that 10 or 15 years, because we wouldn't be able to fund, you know, both plus water and, you know, even though we all need those. Just the insulation. Right. And then the thing up, we'll save quite a bit and quite a bit of money on the energy costs. Well, I think, you know, some of the next piece of this that you probably want to hear from me is, when I get the master plan back, I will quantify what the cost of each of those projects is as far as a 30-year payment, so that we can look at that and throw those numbers into here and just kind of see where it comes from. I would tell you the total of all the projects is almost $4.5 million. So there's, and I don't believe that includes the tank. That's just... All the water projects, no. Not including a new tank. Yeah. Yeah. It's, there's some money there. Yeah, the big one again is mainstream. That's the big ticket item because it's, it's just, it's a nightmare logistically to do, and it's mainline and it's a lot of stuff. But it's also our worst line. It's the one that we're repairing all the time and it's very little information on what's underneath the ground. So, but yeah, once I get the master plan back, I actually, I'll take all those numbers and we'll just, I'll just run them and see what they look like on a 1% interest rate for 30 years and we can start with our own things in here and just kind of see where it goes. I do think it would be nice, you know, maybe not to put it in the report, this information, but if somehow maybe we can have a sketch of it to have as a handout, maybe on town meeting day, just to show that, I mean these, you might, of what we're looking at right now with the cap improvement plan and we know that this is a living document and it's gonna change and this is the very entry level but at least it shows that we are working on something here and it's not just that quote unquote slush fund. And, you know, it might inspire some debate amongst the town, you know, and some members see that, well, why are we doing this before that? Maybe we should have this first. That's why I didn't put it in the town. Get scared by it, yes. But, you know, an informal handout to put on a table, I think, might inspire some conversation for later meetings. But I think we're in a position with the water least from what I've seen in the report is that there's nothing that's an absolute requirement at this point which allows you all to prioritize these projects and the town has all the prioritized projects so then we can put them in whatever water we fill and just see how they work out. Yeah, we can put something together and just hand it out. I think it's good that we're, you know, finally talking about, like you said before, the plan was putting the place kind of more as a placeholder that we knew that we needed to do something but we didn't really have a document of what the prioritization was of that. Other than it just listed some random, you know, we could use it for facilities or water or sewer infrastructure. I think it even mentioned the, I think the transfer station was mentioned. There was a bunch of stuff that was mentioned for it but it's better to be able to drill into that and see this is what, because again, if something comes on the radar here and the taxpayers see that in whatever 2021 or, you know, we're looking at a proposed building or something, it will inspire some conversation and that's good. And again, it's just a roadmap. Something else large could happen. We could have another Irene or whatever. That money's still there. I'm just saying that money can be reallocated and still be used so I think it's important for people to understand that too. This is not an absolute setting stone. The map as to how we're going to get there. So anyway, just some food for thought. And I'll come back with some number for the water projects when we get them. We'll go from there. Okay. Is that in the home stretch? You like the master plan? It is. We've had final comments sent back to the state. I sent them back probably three weeks ago. So we've got to be close. The only thing I think they're going to make us do is where we sample our water every day for chlorine. They're not the right spots, just because there's really nowhere else to do it. So they're going to make us do these outside little dog house kind of things with frost-free hyphens probably, so that we're going to have to test there. Because we're required to test the first customer and what we're doing is not right. So that maybe, if there's anything that comes out that's kind of an environment, I think that'll be it. So those are fairly inexpensive to do. It's just a frost-free yard hydrant with a little insulated house kind of thing over the top of it. Okay. Any other discussion in regards to the capital improvement? I was just curious. I didn't understand. Are you adding to it every year? Well, we're continuing to add to the fund. Yes. Correct. Certainly not. Which has been at $50,000. $50,000 per year. Yeah, it started at $50,000 like two years ago. So well, now we're just starting to get more into the scheduling of projects, which we're hoping that we could have projects going as soon as a year from now. Things work out. Because in some cases, like the public works building, for instance, we're putting $50,000 a year into the fund and we're spending, just in our budget, I think we had, what, another $20,000 or so with maintenance. And it's just, not the building, it's just, not to mention the whole building. Rodding lots of buildings, or at least a few old-wasting, where we could have a payment for that amount in having this building. Greg, for a future version of this, because I recognize this would not, this version wouldn't incorporate this, is it possible to sort of look at what is already being budgeted towards repairs and maintenance that would no longer be issues with a new facility and using that to maybe offset some of what's being pulled out of the capital funds. Some savings? Yeah, so that we're still using the capital funds. Yeah, we could try that. I just don't know how it quantified it, because I don't know, yeah, I don't know what my reduction in, say, heating is going to be. Right. But we could definitely try that. And nobody put a pretty significant amount into the budget for, I think just for building repairs and maintenance. Right. We had a whole discussion in one or two meetings about how much money we're putting into that. And some of the inefficiencies. Yeah, we could do that. I could definitely make an extra line for that. Yeah, but I recognize it's a nice thing to quantify a very difficult thing, but I think if you just can look at what some of that offset could be still building the future capital fund in a more significant way than just $5,000 or so. Sure. I could show that we're saving $5,000 just to put it towards the appropriation of that. Right. No, yeah, I can do that. That's a lot of fun. We'll use those words. Okay. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah. All right. We're good? Yeah. So at this point, we are up to Neal's appointment. I just want to go through the appointments quickly because we have two of them having shown up. I think at this point we ought to keep the appointment for 615 still open between now and the end of the board meeting. If she shows up for a water abatement. The second appointment that wanted to put some of the resolutions onto the town morning meeting day. I mean, this is the second meeting in which it's been on here and nobody, no representation has shown to meeting. I mean, we had a little bit of discussion last time about it. You know, some of us kind of kicked around because there is no representation on it. Why should we move forward with the resolution? I mean, at this point, I guess I would just... Did you get a copy of the house bill? Yes. Okay. Well, we got, you know, it's a little... That was the only information that we were given from the person. I just wanted to make sure that it had got to you. Well, I guess at this point, it seems like there's not going to be any representation in regards to the two. I mean, I think they're kind of like the two issues. You know, you have the resolution that's gone through the house and the other one, I really don't know how much the fighter jets pertain to the town of Bethel, you know, really. So I guess, you know, what is the board's feelings on without having representation in regards to these documents as, you know, no tax. Citizens of the town have come forward in regards to these resolutions. Is there an ordinance or anything? It says that we have to have, you know, if it's in right, it does need to be accepted or considered as having representation. You know, Eric, I mean... For other business, people can bring up anything. Right. May could bring up that town meeting if they wanted to, right? Right. If someone stood up, right. No, I don't think so. She wanted it on this morning. And I don't... Last year we didn't do it on that. No, it was in. It was in the business. All right. No, I think we'd leave it... Well, again, I'm pretty sure. I mean, wouldn't it have to be a tax citizen in the Bethel to stand up and ask, well, I guess it's other business, right? Yeah, it could be recognized. No, it would have to be someone put in the Bethel. You know... Someone wishes to stand who's not a resident technically the moderator has to ask the body thing to get permission to do that. Right. And if somebody objects, they're going to ask you to approve, to allow them. So, yeah. I think that's... They could potentially do that if everyone agrees that it's here. I mean, I guess... I mean, what's the... I think that's the route to go. I think we should bring it up into... As a new business, other business, and ask to be recognized. Does she have a Bethel resident? I guess not. Sure. Yeah, so whatever the case may be. Yeah, she's on the backside of Christian. Oh, okay. So she could bring it up. So I guess at this point, we'll just leave it... Yeah. Leave it be, and, you know, she chooses to bring that forward on town meeting day, then take that one on, finding local... Do you want a warrant? Right. I said no, but she could potentially get a... Signatures. Right. Okay. Yeah, the warning's basically closed at this point. Right. So do we want to tell her, Greg, that, well, if the board approves it, that we would... As of right now, we're not putting it on the warning itself. Yeah. We're welcome to bring it forward under other business on the day of... That sounds pretty reasonable. Yep. Yep. Okay. Board's on. Board's on me. Is everybody okay with that? Board? Yep. Okay. Is there any literature about the water basin? No. I don't... I got a little bit of history on it, but... Okay. I just want to make sure we don't mess something up. So, I guess we'll just give her an opportunity to come, as well. Neil is here, so we'll move forward with our 645 appointment. Neil's going to give us a little update on some of the health officer, higher level issues. Mom, you'll have to do it, too. I have had no hearing for the last three weeks. Okay. I'm not... I'm not going to sit back and try to pretend I understand what you're saying when I help. Okay. Don't mind. I'm just coming back, and I will be fine, but I'm trying to be very difficult to understand what you're saying. But it is indeed a pleasure to be here with you. Thank you for coming. So far. So I think we had... We have the two open cases that we had talked about previously. I just wanted to address first. The Lewisville Road 1, as well as the... No more to say about the thing over by the bridge. That's been dormant. I don't know if you've heard anything. I haven't. Nobody's called me. Nobody's talked to me. Nothing whatsoever. So... That one just stays as it is? I mean, did he... Yeah. I mean, it even sounded as though back then there wasn't a lot that you could do, simply because it wasn't a health issue, right? Because it was animals and not necessarily people living in the house. Have we had any further complaints and regards to that residence? No. No, I can investigate and see if he's even there anymore. I haven't been out there since the bridge was... There's a card. I'm talking about... I'll let you talk about it. Now we're talking about here by the bridge, right? I'm sorry? Which one are you talking about, Neil? Were you talking about the one riddle up here on the bridge? Oh, sorry. That's one right here. Well, I think bridge, I was thinking the other thing about this one. I haven't heard anything. You've not heard a word I haven't. No, have I? No. And there were people saying they were going to buy it and those were all just women's ideas. So the board, the whole field... So have we... Have you been down there? You've been down there. I've been down there all the time. So are there conditions on the outside, trash, and for rats? Yeah, athletes cover the snow, half it's not. Right. So right now it's not not as big an issue as when it gets a long it gets high. Yeah. Okay. But does it... The question, the underlying question does it present the health hazard? And my answer to that is no. It's a mess. It looks awful. I'm sure there are rats in there. So is that not a health hazard? I don't know. Is it? Yeah. You've been by one night I mean, when you measure things like that, you have to think of it in terms of how many people does it affect? Does it affect people? Or does it... What does a lonely little rat mean that came out of the river and is going to go back in? I mean, I don't want him in my house. But is it a health hazard? And by definition, according to my definition, by the state it's not. I don't know if somebody... But... So that's, in my book at least, dormant. Yeah. Does anybody else have any take on that piece of property? I mean, I would agree with Neil that at this point that unless something changes on that property, it just stays the way it is unless we field other complaints. You as a board, if you want me to do something different than nothing right now, let me know. My real job is to please the state. That's who I perform for right now. You guys pay me, so... I mean, if you want me to do something, I will. I would say with the bridge, the one off the... the church street bridge here that we just leave that, you know, unless the conditions change, either we notice the conditions change or we have another complaint. So it might be something, Neil, that maybe once the snow thaws in April or May, maybe just take another trip down there and see if anything changed. But I would just leave that alone. What do you think, Greg? I would encourage any of you to contact me if there's something that you see or don't sit and... Well, some folks were saying that they were going down there and using drugs in the house. That was in the summer. We haven't heard about any of that. There's been none of that. No evidence of that. And that was... as nearly as I can tell, the people who quote-unquote own it. And there's nothing you can do about that. That would be more of an unfortunate and helped officer. Okay. What about the property up on Lewisville Road? Well, that's interesting. I've had several conversations with people at the state about that and I've tried to give them as much information as I have. And I have to share with you my own personal opinion. I think you're wasting your time. You're wasting my time. The lady that lives there, nobody lives there. The lady that has the lease there. Under the lease. And I think she's discuss with you is prepared to bring litigation against the town for her harassment. Has she told you that? Yeah. And when I think about it and you think about it in this vein, if you would, for just a moment. She had a lease there. Nobody could dispute the legal lease. Not a written lease. She had a lease. And it had no term. So it's not expired. She still got a lease. And I'm no exception. If I live there, I'd be complaining about it too. But what her situation is at the current time is she lives in Stockbridge. She has a son who has disabilities and she has a trailer over there. So she goes there, takes her son, has he been the trailer and whatever the disabilities are, he can stay in the trailer while she does whatever she needs to do for her chickens and her dogs who are living in the drug and the garage. Okay. Up to now, what do you see wrong with that? Well, nothing. I think the only concern that we had or what the adjacent property owner had was the trash that was piling up roof high and the opportunity that environment could, obviously there's probably environment there now, right, could be moving from one property to the other. That was the big concern at that point. That was like, took that wrong. I haven't seen any, have you seen any? I haven't known the proper. I haven't seen any noticeable amount of new trash. Of course it's winter and, you know, everything covers it too. Have we had any further complaints from the adjacent property owner that, in regards to that? I mean, it's a frustrating one. It's a very frustrating one. Because the owner, the property owner, doesn't seem to want to do anything. So I think about all kinds of things. We said regarding the property owner and his part in dealing with this situation. What would you like me to do with him? There's not much we can do with him. I'm not talking to him. I'm talking to his sister. And I told her the first thing they should do is issue an eviction. Well, they didn't know how to fill out the eviction thing. So I helped them fill it out and they filed it with the court. I believed they filed it. That's what I told them to do, filed with the court. And I said, you may have to get an attorney. You won't have any part of that in the court. But in order to... I mean, it's an honor for me to perfect an eviction. I can't do it by myself. I need an attorney. It just sounds like there's the property owner that doesn't want the tenant there any longer. And then there's some of the health issues. But the owner's not willing to go through the steps to do a proper eviction but then there's the adjacent property owner that has concerns for the condition of the property and potential cross-contamination of robes. Do we get involved if it goes to the point of nonpayment of taxes and conduct for a tax sale and nobody wants to buy it? I'm wondering if the town becomes involved because the issue here at one time was the taxes aren't getting paid. Well, the taxes are paid in full. Not only the taxes paid in full but then the taxes were abrieved and there's an extension of a year of relief on there or something. Do you understand? Yeah, he came in and so... As far as the town's considered and really... considered on one end or another their account is current. So there's nothing on that end. At this point, the only reason why we have been called and yourself is really mostly because of the adjacent property owner has filed the complaints. The owner technically didn't file the complaint. Right? He mentioned it at a hearing that it was an inconvenience and things changed, but it was the adjacent property owner that has filed the complaints. That's right. But isn't it more aesthetic? Yeah, I don't think there's other... I know the construction workers and stuff had comments on the smell and things like that. When I read my role I'm supposed to work to help mitigate public health hazards. So what's a public health hazard? Something that has the potential to harm the public. Physical. Not their view. Right. And I think the only... from what I gathered to this whole incident here is the complaint was still of the not necessarily someone was living there or not or the animals. It was the amount of trash that was left on the property that was filed roof high that is going to attract animals. She had some in the backyard for a while but it was still to that extent. Why did that bring the bridge construction? I don't want to sound contrary but quite honestly most of the times I've heard any comments about that they've been very much embellished. But the thing is on this one is there's been complaints but there's never been a formal complaint. There hasn't been a written complaint from somebody filed. It's been a call and complaint type thing to the town a formal complaint. I would think at this time that unless something formally is filed with the town there's nothing else we can do there. I think we're just wasting your time. Well in theory the landlord can request an inspection. The landlord or the tenant can request inspections which I mean you go in and do an inspection of the property but he hasn't asked for an inspection. He hasn't asked for anything. I'm not going to go in there. To be honest with you the building is locked from the outside with shackles and padlocks to keep the dogs from coming out. Now I'm a little dumb but I'm not dumb enough to go in there. Are the dogs really there at all? Excuse me? Are the dogs really there at all? She comes out a couple of times a day I believe and lets the dogs in. She lets them out to run around for 20 minutes. Yeah we brought that up before and it seemed like the conditions for the animals were at a satisfactory level that wouldn't qualify as abuse I guess. Oh no they're not abuse at all. They're healthy, healthy. Woodstock Revenge Society has been there I haven't been real recently but when the chickens were out in the yard they looked every bit at how they liked it. I think this one is just another case that as of right now, I don't think the town has enough to really push nor do we want to bring upon any type of litigation for harassment but it might be something that in the spring or early summer we take a swing by and see any of the site conditions have changed at all. I think I left you with a thought when I left last time and I will again because I've pursued this a little bit just in conversation with people at the health department. They see the biggest threat there is pollution of the river. That building sits practically on any debris with spring rains and runoffs and animal feces and all the rest is likely to contaminate the river. So what do you think in there? Is that something that is that something in the springtime that you get permission from the owner to look at that and then do a report sent to the state? I don't know any other way to do it and I'm not sure that's a satisfactory way but when you look at the underlying causes of the complaints and their truth what they're really all about this is really a disputable property. I mean my opinion is until there's a formal complaint filed on that property by somebody I mean nobody's formally filed any complaint there other than there's been some calls the gentleman that owns the property brought it up a little bit out of hearing but nobody's formally filed a complaint I think we ought to just leave it alone until somebody we can't do anything we've got no way to go so I think we should just better use your resources on ones that we do have a formal complaint that we can use your time wisely maybe out in phishing I think that's certainly it's a board it's an easy way out for the moment but I think it's the most rational as well she's kind of adopted me which is kind of scary she don't like you at all story of the life it's got big shoulders but you know she's kind of put me in I'm trying to put me in me versus you just be careful she'll lock you up in the building and only let you out once a day to feed you so what was the so let's put those two to bed I mean everybody agree on that and then we have the I don't have the exact I didn't bring the info with me we have had a complaint that's come forward and you probably know who it is but there's a complaint on the 27 sergeants way a rental complaint between a tenant and an owner in regards to some conditions of living there that came to me from the state actually I feel like it's kind of I actually had a conversation with the lady about two weeks ago I was driving at the time so I was able to talk with her for 20 to 30 minutes but I asked her to call me back and leave a message with all of her information so I had it and she never called me back so I didn't get her information but she did follow it up with an email she called us well the tenant called the state saying that there is a request for an inspection and that my state statute the health officer is required to conduct an inspection and there's an expectation that there will be an inspection conducted sooner rather than later from the state that's what my email says have you heard anything recently on it? of this so three days ago well you can help me yeah sure so from this state it says that she got a call from this lady and they had originally reached out in October but haven't had any success still concerns about violations of the rental housing health code in her unit that Neil had not come by to conduct an investigation and inspect her apartment she says her landlord has not addressed any of the concerns or told her he is waiting to waiting on the report from the health officer I've attached a summary of the state law concerning rental housing inspections including the requirement from the health officer to conduct an investigation and issue an inspection report when requested by a tenant or landlord and then it gives me a link to the state statute that and then there's also a template of the the state inspection form so Title 18 of the Vermont case which talks about that if there's a complaint the health officer says if landlord or tenant requests an inspection or if the town health officer receives information about a potential health hazard the town health officer must conduct an investigation Title 18 the investigation when investigating the town health officer must issue a written inspection report that describes any violations of the rental housing health code specifies what action is required to correct the violation establishes a timeline provides notice to the landlord and tenants that the unit affected by the violations may not be rented or a new tenant until the violations are corrected and provides notice to tenants that the landlord must have access to the unit to make the corrections so and then it provides a template so they actually have a state inspection form that she sent me that I could forward that to you it's like 12 pages yet I think the original email I thought it had you included on it but maybe it didn't this lady works for the health department incidentally yeah and she got it up better than to be sending this stuff to you she wants the health officer to respond she probably ought to communicate well these are different people these are different people so the person from the health department is somebody who's being notified by the tenant of the place not the same person they're different people the tenant and the person who's emailed me have different names let me tell you where I am on that and not very far when it first surfaced I had a call from this person and they told me about a lot of things that they felt were wrong with the apartment with the mobile home and my feeling was that probably we're just dealing with the old mobile home and the only thing of real specific nature that pertained to me as I saw it was the absence of some detectives some smoke and the protectives in the property I can't put my hands on it at the moment I will the landlord was going on a cruise this was on a Thursday he was going on a cruise on a Saturday morning early and I said well of this list of things don't leave that property into your place of detectives and he called me Friday night in the middle of the night said the detectives are in place and I don't have time to do the rest of it I'll get back to it when I get back to the cruise he called me when he got back from the cruise and said that he had gone down there and some of the things she or he or them were complaining about was mold and like lots of old mobile homes structurally they start to come apart and those drafts and those kind of things which again these aren't health issues these are things that the landlord and the tenant should get their little heads together and fix and so when I left with the landlord he was showing as time permitted get to it and do these little things do you have the rental housing health code? I'm sure you have the rental housing health code wouldn't you mind sharing that with me? You don't have it? No, okay so that I think is the beginning and so what the state is basically saying is that you're required or the health officer is required to do an inspection in a timely manner utilizing the rental housing health code as kind of a guide as to what constitute and what does not constitute a health password and that that needs to be submitted to I'm not sure the state, not us probably, but the state so that I guess the landlord is then required to do whatever that's the way I understand it I'm kind of in your realm now That's technically how it should work and it sounds as though there's been some issue with them not actually getting because you're handling this secondarily through the homeowner or the property owner and not directly through the state I guess so that's why I think they want to see an actual inspection report done so then they have something I guess that they can utilize to try to get the owner to address the issues that's what the email said What I do when I get a complaint is I take out the form I mean you don't really know how I well I'll be happy to tell you fill out the details at the top, the landlords on the location, the time, the date all that sort of stuff and write down the complaints that they have and then I talk to the landlord and hopefully I'm able to mitigate the problem before it gets through the script run and that's generally how it gets left and I don't complete the form until I know it's been resolved and that's generally it's generally a call from the landlord that says I went down to Susie's apartment and I did that, that, that, that but she wants to see my form she's been more than happy to share it with her I am not required to file it with the state Well I'm just telling you what state statute tells me and what they've told me so the state is basically again I can see you this, I think it was sent to you anyway but it basically says section 18 of the well blah blah blah yeah so it sounds as though what she's been hearing is that the landowner is refusing to complete all the improvements because he's waiting for a report from you so it sounds as though you need to get your hands on and whether I need to help you find it or whatever that rental housing code because it says in here also in this section of the statute that the, at the end of the statute the investigations should cover the entire rental housing health code not just the subject of the complaint so I guess the intent is you go in with the code and you look through everything and make sure not just the one thing that they're talking about whether it be smoke detectors or whatever but you're looking at it holistically so if we need to help you if I need to help you get your hands on that rental housing health code which sounds like that's what you're required to do with the reference when you're doing these inspections we can do that I've not seen that so I don't want to speak to it but I know the conversation that I had with them was just a list of the things that they wanted the landlord to take care of which he committed to me that he would do and if he hasn't done I'm more than happy to get on his case and he knows now that I've been fighting with the order of 100 bucks a day and I can't think of anything that would motivate him much more than that but I would imagine that legally in order to in order to find somebody based off of violation it's got to be documented so you would have an inspection report you'd still be required to have that inspection report to reference that report to reference in order to violate somebody $100 per day so I think we still need to get again I have a template that I can report itself so I think what's the issue right now is kind of looking through it is so you have the owner of the residence who's not responding to doing the work and then you have the tenant that's affected that has is being very loud vocally and it's now pushing the states button every day and just kind of just looking through this I mean at this point cover us as the town I mean what it sounds like what we have to do is go in even if you have had done one maybe go on and do an up-to-date inspection report and then send that it says here that the inspection after the inspection is concluded that the town health officer must provide a copy of the inspection report to the landlord and any affected affected tenants doesn't say the state so I would make a recommendation of the next week while there do do a current inspection on that and then give the owner a copy the tenant a copy and just step away from that if the state happens to call you for something that you could give them a copy everything she asked me when I set out the landlord and if it doesn't happen to get back to me she probably chose not to get back to me because it seems like conditions change I mean you could have been there six months ago and things change in six months too you know could be more things could be less things so I would how soon can you get out there to do I mean obviously you get a talk with the tenant and things like that but do you think that if we said our next meeting is on the 28th right so if we said on the 28th to come back and just kind of update us on that piece could you get your pieces done before the 28th I have reason to communicate with that particular landlord on a almost weekly basis and some of you will wonder about and you know why and it's just the way it is so it wouldn't be unreasonable to to have you get an appointment to go and do an updated inspection not at all give the parties a copy and come to us and let us know that it's all done by the 28th okay does that sound good Greg? Yeah and I actually found that health code if you want me to do you do email stuff don't you do you or I can print it off for the health code I found that rental health code I can either make a copy and leave it at my office or I can email it to you why don't you do that which one the health code email it to you email it to you yeah I can do that okay okay so and the form that the inspection form has just been updated in June so there's a more recent maybe a more recent no that's the form that's been in existence for okay just not in the bottom it says revised 618 so no they made any other changes on a regular basis and it's all 8,000 questions in here change okay so we'll do that and if you need any information for the tenant or the landowner if you need it Greg's got the information a copy of your that email yeah you should have gotten it but I'll store the whole thing to you I didn't bring it with me tonight it was on the 11th I believe but I'll just send it over to you yeah I printed it out I don't know if I'd put it in here but that's the only thing I've done so it isn't pretty good so I would just say that that'll get the state off our back and at that point you know they can fight it out you can have this done any way you want to I remember when I first was on a select board we had a lady that used to come to every select board meeting and provided each of us with a document of what you've been doing and quite well from my point of view it was a waste of time because it never had any conclusion you don't go with the roll agent and ask them to give you a day-by-day description of where it went and what it did no I just I mean again I just think you know when it comes to the you know just the high level issues that we have kind of like the ones we talked about so what I decided to do when we talked last when the things are concluded there'll be a copy there should be a copy in the office anyway in your office there's one in my office but you don't have access to that but you really don't have access to your own file in the town office because it's full of junk that goes back to 46 there's a lot of crap that somebody just should toss away I don't have liberty to do that but if you want me to roll we have anything further under the appointment but tonight I think we just had that that more reset on call you're good I need your email address you'll follow up with Neil give him that yeah I'm going to send it right now I need your email before you leave I need your email address so I was going to be out for a little bit okay so we'll have her there and then we'll schedule up an appointment for the 28th come back in just brief us on yes I did the inspection the two parties have a copy of it and I think we'll be good hopefully nothing else big comes between now there are a bunch more falling around if you're not aware of unless you want to be I'll leave that until I'll leave that until yeah I mean I don't think the board needs to know any of them unless they become a problem things come up from weird sources and often if not they're landlord tenant disputes about rent and I'm not paying my rent this month until you fix something okay they resolve it themselves and I do have one that I just got this week that I find interesting I'm happy to share with you when I seek your wisdom on how to resolve this this is a very serious situation and it's quite lengthy as you can see includes copies of deeds and a lot of other stuff that I don't really need but the essence of complaint is that the neighbor has a dog who sometimes goes across the street and defecates on this person's lawn and I saw this on TV is this the same person this is a runner this cops a very unhealthy situation in her view and that the dog the dog will urinate on the car tires now that's new I've never heard of that one before the dog is being allowed to lift his leg on a cheap post and this all surfaced back a while ago when we had that warm spell and the snow melted in them so someone else is coming on to this owner's land and doing that yes so why would that be your issue I have that question I mean at this point I would think that would be issue a no trust passing order against that person or dog and if they violate that you're running down the rat hole I've already gone through this that's not a health this person also I could complete an order from yeah I guess you could stick Neil really what it is is it's a property dispute stay away from it that's what I would recommend there's nothing there for us I'm not going to respond because she's had a number of things the last one was she was walking on south main street and she could smell cat urine and she found that somebody had dumped their cat's box within six feet of the sidewalk why is it supposed to go clean up there no I don't think so do you want to find somebody else to do that I would just ignore them or if they call you again just have to tell them the problem is that this particular person calls all of the day and night and goes on and on and on about things that I have absolutely no interest in well it sounds like sounds like you might have blood so I'll go straight in for you could I have your home phone yeah because I'm going to direct those calls to your home hey I'm pretty blunt quick to the point so I just you can't be any more blunt than I am about I sent you that report the new template and that code so that got sent to you just now should have an email at home waiting for you with the rental code the rental code and the form inspection form check your email when you get home or tomorrow and if I can help let me know I just don't I understand what you're saying and I understand what your mission is basically you're trying to get these people off your back and I don't have any difficulty understanding that but I don't let them to be able to expand this very limited scope and you have to think of it in terms of the way I do how does this really affect the health and welfare of the community I think we're at this point we just it's gone to the state level they're banging on the state door the state's now come banging on our door public health can be defined as one person public health in my opinion by the state has been defined as one person that's why you do inspections of just do the inspection give each one of them a copy of the inspection report and just step away from it and if the state comes calling us again we'll have a copy of it and if that's what she wants that's what she wants I would just do that that's the definition part of which is the number of people that are at risk if it's just one person my direction's odd if it's confined to a single household say away from it if it's a neighborhood then get involved they even talk about the characteristics of the people involved that infants are old adults that are at risk then get involved otherwise don't the characteristic of the potential harm a bag of garbage smells of none a half a failed septic system on a school playground is other private remedies if somebody's got a wing blown through a run on the window in their trailer maybe they should invest in some fire and you put it in for them and I think those guidelines are going to help you on 99% of the cases but you're always going to get that 1% where at this point it's kind of gone up so just follow up with us on the 28 and let us know that you've conducted the investigation each party has a copy of it and why don't you just set that stuff aside for me and I'll come down and pick it up the long morning I can do that I'll burn it off right I appreciate your time tonight it's been a delight just to see if I'm on this side of the table I hope you're enjoying your work as much as I enjoy it Mary, what are you making? I'm sitting here I'm putting it on and I don't know why that has unless it's been sitting on the side it shouldn't have just color the way it is I don't think it goes anywhere it sits there unless it's just being moved around it's a good flag is that light from the window or something maybe thank you thank you thank you alright we have a couple of we had two meeting minutes there from the 10th from the 17th of December all in favor alright thank you what? nothing we're just getting through the selection I was kind of like town managers report okay I can't see alright let me see if there's any highlights of anything skatepark so we submitted the land and water conservation fund grant application we will be myself and the rec committee we'll be going up on Friday I think it's got a way of rejection wherever it's at it's an opportunity for people who have submitted applications to come and talk to the board it makes the choice for the applications to kind of answer questions and go over what the project entails so we'll be going down on Friday to talk on our skatepark project hopefully that will help with the application we hope we get it we'll have to figure something else out the parking permit I did receive all the decals and we got the signage for the parking lot the boys were trying to figure out how to put signs up in frozen ground but they're going to come up with some sort of a temporary deal because the ordinance actually goes into effect in the 22nd so my plan is to this week go down Main Street again and just get with everybody the application and let everyone know that this is starting we're going to start kind of slow we're not going to hammer on people right away as far as telling them but eventually that will be the case so yeah you should see some signs being put up there hopefully in the next few days and we'll try to get everybody to get their application in for their permits and we'll see how this works I think it'll work well, I really do um what I mentioned in the plan we talked about earlier it's still ongoing I think we're really close submitted the my final comments and last week I think within the next 2-3 months I would hope that we'll hear something back from them we were already at 90% so we can't be too far off there's no plowing I don't know if you've heard anything good bad and different I have heard mostly good plowing we are using a lot of salt like we always do because of the ice storms and all that but I've heard really good Main Street, I think the guys are doing a good job of getting down there and getting cleared out in a timely manner I think the new position that we have coming in is really working out well it's kind of a flow and a fallback where we need that person so if you've heard anything otherwise let me know, we'll address it I've heard a lot of good things I know the complaints of the hardware store are way down are they? you used to always be you'd say that a lot of the gatherers would come in there to complain about different issues this position that you guys approved is working the way I thought it was going to work I'm really happy with the way it's actually functioning I think it's working out really well it's the first year and there's going to be little tweaks to it I think here and there but it's really in my opinion it's really serving the purpose that I wanted it to serve we had times where we had the one time down and it didn't it wasn't great but it didn't completely kill us we had another piece of equipment we could take up and we could sort of do the job any feedback? yeah, have you heard anything contrary? it even not just Main Street positive in the school they were saying that communication has been better this year good it's been an icy year as opposed to snow January is the ice month right if you hear anything negative we want to hear both of course but the negative helps if there's any complaints or anything you hear let me know one thing I didn't want to ask is we had originally sort of talked about Park on the uphill side the night in the storm once it clears that I moved down and it seemed like this last storm everybody was kind of parked on both sides and he had cleared this side so most people moved just down to this end of the parking lot for the next night after the storm except some people did which probably messed up and just if there's a better if there's a system that either while you're going around doing parking permits or that would just be better I think communicating it people will adjust and do whatever we ask of them but I think right now people aren't sure of what to do that was part of the idea of walking around and kind of talking to people you know we originally talked about the light and all that and the more I thought about that the more I thought that the logistics of that just weren't going to work the thought was that once you plow the bottom you have 30 hours to come out and move but people work all different times today things happen so I agree I think it's something that's going to be more of a word of mouth that people are just going to see they know what we're trying to do I'm happy to help spread that word if I know what it is I just don't want to be saying part by the other side we're just going to do one half of the parking lot the intent is to kind of yeah the idea is to do it all that's the initial system in place because there are violations and stuff like that I don't want to get into that you just don't want to do that and you'll have to so yes that's the intent at the end of the day is that people and we will voice that to people that this is what we really like to see done is that during the day you move down to the bottom you go to work or whatever and then we can get in there and do it wherever we can but that's not the that's not the intent it's more to get the bottom done and the middle opened up so that we can get traffic moving around and if people choose to move that's fine I just didn't want to man me that they had to move because there's also folks that leave their vehicles there and go elsewhere for the day so at least they're not going to be moving their vehicle during the day and stay wherever they leave them again it's a logistics thing I just for that exact reason so they can show up at like five and park there if I say you have to be moved it just doesn't work but I think it will work once we get the people that are there every night we all know we're going to figure out who they are and I don't think that there would be intentionally trying to create barriers for us so I think they're going to be pretty good about this we'll see how it plays out yeah anyway so if you hear anything though let me know the feedback is good kind of the last thing on here I guess is I'm working on a 459 Sugar Hill Road is a property that we bought at Taxel like three years ago and I don't know why but I wasn't here so whatever and the current tenant if you will I'm trying to get him to leave so I'm kind of working on that process we've had to do starts and eviction proceedings I think it's going to work without going to the term on that I think he's going to get out of his own but just something to be aware of that once that person has left I would like to put this property up for sale and there is a small process that we have to go through public process we have to go through for that but my intention here is once he's out of the house we'll put her up for sale I'm not going to use a real estate agent because we know of two people that are interested in it and it's not like we're asking for a lot of money I don't know about you but if we recoup what we spend on this we're not paying a real estate agent we can keep the price pretty well just be aware I will be bringing it back to you here in the near future either some terms for a contract or at least what I would like to do so we can set up a sale price on that property other than that we're just keeping on for any questions comments we lost a truck today we lost a couple of trucks we have had issues with trucks since the day I started we've got a one ton the one ton has something else wrong it's down at the mechanics there's some sort of like a master cylinder for your brakes there's a steering in the brakes and this other stuff gone one of the other trucks had and I'm talking about my head because I don't understand all this stuff but something with the steering on it was messed up so we're down but it'll be back up whenever the snow gets again so that's kind of the way the guys operated there it's work and they work on the equipment and that keeps them busy all the time because this equipment is just they're not they're not rough on the equipment I just don't know some of those pieces are fairly new yeah well like the one at Doug's truck we call it Doug's truck the newest truck this is something to do with the DEF diesel exhaust thing that kills us because it's just what it does to the computer system but that's not the first time it's not the first time what's something wrong there and again a lot of times it says DEF in real mode it won't let you rev it up it's just putt-putt-putt down the road we get issues with that often at work with our trucks do you have that DEF stuff but that's really it's kind of the way they function though there's always little damage that's done to the equipment when they're not plowing the roads this time of year they're typically fixing equipment so just be glad that they can do it we have some mechanically inclined guys up there it saves us a lot of money we haven't had to subcontract out any work yet none remember last year we had and a lot of the mechanic work that would have been sent out in the past has been done in-house we've got two or three guys Doug's truck left on a record today it did because nothing they can do about that I'm hoping that's a warranty issue because it's still under warranty but a lot of the other things that they have the little things that break here in there they're fixing all that in-house yeah it's just a never-ending battle Constable report I didn't really see anything that stuck out other than I know we talked about before maybe a better way of showing if you actually ticket somebody or not yeah there's going to be another report because I see that there was one that was pulled over but you don't know if they ended up ticketing the person we're working on a separate report that will be if tickets were this software is kind of, it's fairly new it was actually designed by somebody that he knows and so what's nice about it is when we have something that we want to change the guy's pretty good about adding that piece to it so we're working on sort of a one-page spreadsheet kind of thing that shows what happened or if a ticket could I mean I see him out and about quite a bit I mean I know people don't tend to drive as fast during the winter as they do in the summer so probably more tickets in the summer than there is in the winter but he's told me if the what he has told me that the way he does the report right now I think he said is if the license plate is shown it was a ticket I think that's what he told me but we're still working on another type of report that's going to be a little cleaner to read pick up any trainings in there Paul any trainings? no there was the recreation committee meeting minutes that were in there we just had a chance to look through that it seemed like the big part was the some of the skateboard talk as well as some starting the process of signups and pool and stuff next year starting the yeah she wants to start the signups early which I don't see why there was a limit anyway why did we say you have to wait until April to do it if you want to do it you can do it once January 1st comes look at hunting license right and she'll have a table at town meeting too go over the new things that are going to be happening out of the pool this year she's got a whole new list of family fine lines are there anything going on with the joint board and if you haven't got a meeting for five six weeks now where are we at in regards to the facility going on its own I mean that kind of seemed like it kind of just stalled we're trying to get somebody to create a business plan for us and a feasibility study we haven't got to that point yet you talked about two rivers I thought right that they had gotten a quote from two rivers to help them with the business plan right but they never showed up for a meeting and we had to give them upfront money to start looking at it is there a time frame set on that in the next six months or a year seems to be working pretty good way this maybe we always have right now so you'll let us know maybe bring it up at the next meeting because we didn't have one this last week okay so it's been a spell since we got one okay it came to my attention but any other communications business I think the only thing I had is I have a personal commitment for the 28th which is our next meeting and at best I would be here like late rather than go through communications through email on somebody that wants to run the meeting on the 28th because there's somebody that would like to be the chair for the night and run the meeting for the 28th draw straws you want to do that way I mean it seems like a majority of majority of the important things that we have done tonight with the budget and stuff we'll see it being a difficult meeting yeah it's no biggie Paul we'll just do all the raises and stuff next meeting yeah forever so okay so Paul will stand alright I will entertain anything else I got your email I haven't had a chance to look at it but I had a combination of issues going on computer wise with last week my work computer died so then I had to retype it on my personal computer it downloaded an update automatically for me well the new update disabled my mouse pad so I had no way of doing anything on my mouse pad so I had to actually go out and buy a mouse to be able to go click on a box to to enable the mouse pad so I was like at that point I was just going to hand write it and give it to you guys do I need to do my review so isn't it time for that we have I think it is usually we do it January, February so we should start that yeah remember it was June and I went six months then it was a year after that we did do it up in January and February so after the year and usually we do the goal setting right after town meeting day I would say as long as we do it between now and town meeting day is the end of the year review that would be when would you like to oh I don't know I'll think about it but after town meeting day so do you remember I answer your question so maybe do we want to pick the maybe like the first board meeting in February to do to start going through the process of your year in the review again so maybe if you have your self-evaluation done by whatever that first board meeting is in February we can start that process that way we'll be able to finish your review the second board meeting in February which will be do we have a form that we yes I have I had the last event we did and usually it's good Greg will fill out his information send it to us and then we can talk about it and what our information is that's all I've got anything else can you send me the select board letter summary there with the corrections on it I think you were on the email I'm just I have to get those I have to get those to Kelly by the end of the week we're going to change the date the idea should I have a date you said it was the report for 2019 oh I'm sorry yes the the only thing is I started off with a piece of paper I listed everything that we got over for the year Kelly wanted to try and keep it to one page the other thing is what we wanted to do was get a picture of the select board members so we'll have a page so we'll have a written up page and a picture so once I got it all together and it didn't conform to one page so I had to so I started taking off some of the low hanging fruit and it was mostly just so as long as all stays on one page we'll be able to fit it in there so that's where I was trying to pick apart the higher end stuff and keep it to one page I am so it's not a final I haven't done anything with the final version other than it just got whipped up literally today after a couple of failed versions so so just get those back to me I didn't know how promising it was to have an action shot no I got to have a two or five alright so I'll entertain a motion to enter this is an action shot maybe Lisa if you can somehow get like really really up high when the camera come down there you go alright I'll send it to you we'll see what you mean I'm moving on to the exact this session okay all in favor we'll also be bringing Mary's boy then with us as well we may be making a motion yeah we can get you there thank you okay perfect