 Syndication for the remain was only on for four years. That surprises me. It's still running. Yeah, you know like a friend of mine his his grandpa insists on watching it like He must have seen them all many times at this point Oh, I thought it ran for like 10 or something production company. Oh, no, you're right. You're right. Okay. Okay. Oh, it only ran in LA for four years So 1951 to 1971 Oh, that makes a lot of sense I was gonna say like wouldn't you get tired of Only four years of episodes over and over and over. That's horror Well, to be honest all the episodes sort of kind of blend together. Yeah But he carved a name for himself as a famous North Dakota. I I that's he did She from He was born in the German speaking community of Strasburg, North Dakota Strasburg North Dakota Bismarck, right? It's the capital They named it they changed the name Bismarck to Bismarck name this capital to Bismarck to attract more German immigrants Hey, North Dakota has fewer people than my city. Oh Big Jim wants to know about you shaving your head Scott. Oh What's no why? He says when but I bet he also wants to know why oh well. I already did it We all did it and we did it like two and a half weeks ago And it's on YouTube and we did it for Brian and its wife who's going through chemo therapy solidarity That was the best video ever did Carter put that together who put that together as me I just A lot of it, but yeah, that's good. I didn't mean to assume that you couldn't have It's a fair assumption I pass off a lot of these creative projects I was just going to give props if that's you know to whoever it was. Yeah, I just threw it together real quick No, that's a it's a heartwarming video. I looked at that brightened up my day that good watching that glad to hear that We felt good to do it. It was a nice break that had nothing to do with Yeah That I liked that Well folks We're gonna talk robots today. I don't even know where we're gonna go with that conversation. It's gonna be a surprise the robots will tell us Well, you never know Got really good response to the IPv6 Conversation with Ethan yesterday. He was great. Yeah, I didn't hear yesterday If you if you ever think of a networking topic that you want explained Let me know because he said he'd he'd love to come back on whenever we need him Now figure out why one of my domains won't get a D&S problem text Whole separate problem. Yeah, that doesn't seem like as wide of a conversation as we might want to have No technical support call really just calling you hey, so Tom said you'd come back on DTS to explain a network time I got I got a I got a question Like I don't know ask your day ISP Apologize if I coughed. I'm gonna have money right before I cough again. Oh I'm sorry you're got the cause you didn't cast out at Disneyland. Did you probably did What's that Disneyland I'll give you all kinds of coughs. Oh, yeah, maybe that's where they got it I because they were dealing with the children things more than I was That'll do it worst colds I ever had with that How'd it go by the way is your first one? Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, I had a good time. That's awesome. Yeah really liked the The hyperspace mountain which for me has always been called hyperspace mountain really Because it was called that on Saturday for the first time I ever went Everything was that was funny we went to the haunted mansion and Eileen and Roger were both sort of not not picking on it But they were like oh, well, this is different and it used to be this and and I was like It's all great for me. I didn't notice anything different Yeah, you don't have to have any kind of like oh, I hate that they change this or any of those things. Yeah. Yeah, just enjoy it for what it is No, it's still fun. I still fun. I wish um I Wish it was longer. That's that's my only that's my only Ripe is that I guess as a kid they seem longer in part of it. They just want to get people through But like the part I wonder if it's actually shorter if you just felt like it was longer when you're a kid the things like not part of the game, but Start or it's just like just tack on three more minutes or something To that whole experience just to make it feel a little more interesting Yeah, the new the new version of that definitely feels shorter than the old version of that like it definitely feels like Yeah, like we should probably start the show Oh, wait, wait, give me control. It's the Disney hour. Oh Welcome to the Disney hour everyone Today we discuss Disney Okay, here we go ready. Yep Daily Tech News show is brought to you by you the audience to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday February 1st 2017, I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Scott Johnson. He's the Wednesday man Wednesday call you out there Wednesdays with Maury or Maury Scott because you're Scott That's true. It's good to be back man. I we missed you last week for our usual Wednesday. Hey, yeah, thanks So thanks for filling in it's good to be back myself down in the the normal studio All of the flood waters have receded for the time being knock on wood We're gonna talk about robots today Because there's some interesting numbers about the skyrocketing sales of manufacturing robots We're gonna talk about what that means for products how they get made The the infiltration of the Internet of Things into factory floors what it might mean for jobs all that sort of stuff But we got lots of news to talk about before we get to that Samsung sent out invites to a press conference for 7 p.m Local time February 26th in Barcelona an image shows the end of what could possibly be a tablet They said they're not gonna do a galaxy s So it's likely to be a tablet Nintendo president Tatsumi Kimishima told Nikkei that the Nintendo switch paid cloud service is gonna cost you two to three thousand yen That would be somewhere just under thirty dollars US. How's that? How's that sit with you Scott? Hold on 30 a year a month rather Like between 17 and 26 roughly is what two to three thousand yen is so it'd be hard to say how they'll price it in US dollars might be 25 might be 30 a year if that's per year. That's not too bad I mean the competing services are all 40 to 60 dollars So while you can get deals on those sometimes generally speaking those are more money So it's smart for them to come lower than everybody else, but man, they have so much to prove We've talked about on the show before they have so much to prove that they can handle Themselves in this generation moving forward because they've done so poorly in the past So this is definitely a time will tell deal and then another real quick when the information has sources that say snapchats working on filters That will actually fit themselves into the landscape You know the way the masks fit to your face These would like stick to the hillside of your photos and videos and and stay there like an augmented reality thing Well, it seems cool Now here are some more top stories Jerry is in actually Jerry will be out tomorrow. He won't be back till next week But the but the actual jury in the Oculus is any max case is in and has decided that Facebook's subsidiary must pay any max $500 million for the violation of a non-disclosure agreement by Oculus founder Palmer lucky If you don't remember lucky worked as a contractor for Zeni max before he launched his Kickstarter to start Oculus The jury found that Oculus was not guilty of misappropriating trade secrets as any max had also sought So they're not guilty of stealing things from Zeni max But they but lucky is guilty of violating his NDA Zeni max one of four billion dollars They started wanting two billion dollars and at the very end of the trial up to four billion dollars instead They're gonna get 500 million and it breaks down like this Oculus will owe 200 million dollars for the breaking of the NDA 50 million for eat for copyright infringement Both Oculus and lucky must each pay 50 million dollars for false designation And Oculus co-founder Brendan Arriba must pay 150 million dollars for the same charge. Wow. Well, I guess silver lining here if you want to call it that is They I don't know it ends kind of like a very long fight And there was a lot of back-and-forth about who is in charge and who is in trouble and who wasn't John Karmak apparently not implicated in this he did testify during the trial and Outside of any appeals or anything that may happen. It seems like it's probably fair Here's how I look at it Tom Maybe just one dollar from all 500 million people to bought an Oculus. Oh wait, not that many people did the reason I say that and make a bit of a joke is Facebook's got way more money than they know what to do with Oculus as a separate entity even though it's a subsidiary and owned by Facebook doesn't have That kind of cash if you just count the company by itself So I'm really curious about how that Impacts like does do they just write it off as a as the larger corporation or do they? Hunker down. Yeah, how do they account for that? Yeah, let's let's look at how much money Facebook does have to pay for this Facebook just reported 8.8 1 billion dollars in revenue and earnings per share of a dollar 41 That beat the heck out of estimates of 8.5 1 billion and dollar 31 per share And monthly active users rose again although slower than last quarter Year over year that rose 3.91% to 1.86 billion. So yeah I think what Facebook does is write a check and go fine. We got we got that out of our system. No harm no foul Yeah, does I mean Zuckerberg could just pull out is I don't know his Venmo account At the very end of the trial so what is that 500 million? Yeah, I'll just cover that you want that in 20s Electronic like it does it just doesn't and the judge like well now lucky has to pay 50 million of this out of his Venmo Like hold on lucky. I'm sending you 50 mil so you can send it to the court It hasn't been the best of luck for lucky Palmer in the last. Oh, it really has or so so there are a few months Yeah, and we haven't heard we haven't heard anything from lucky Palmer at any of their event events We haven't heard anything at any of the trade shows. I don't know where they put him or what he's doing But this is this may be the last thing we hear this may be it and he may be moving on to different pastors Who knows who knows the the upshot is though if you're if you're still a little confused Oculus found guilty and specifically lucky found guilty of breaking the NDA That means hey, you weren't supposed to tell anybody about this stuff and you told some people at Facebook or Oculus They are not guilty of ripping off Zenimax They are not guilty of taking trade secrets from Zenimax and using them to profit Yeah, there's probably at some point a book about all this that'll make a whole lot of sense But it's software getting purchased and the genius that is mark or John Carmack working on VR projects and then leaving the company for Oculus and yeah You could look at it and say okay What one of the one of the things that this whole thing hinged on was the fact that as a Zenimax employee John Carmack glued a sensor into the side of a headset to make lucky's Thing work and you could say him Therefore telling Brendan a rebate and others like he glued the sensor to the side Technically would could violate the NDA But it also isn't enough to violate a trade secret. So there you go. Well, very interesting stuff to mean Speaking of Facebook will stay right there with them the Wall Street Journal reports that Facebook is developing a video app for set top Streaming boxes like Roku and Apple TV Facebook is supposedly asking media companies to develop TV quality shows the Facebook and license for the app Shows could be up to 10 minutes long This is both sports and scripted shows that kind of stuff according to the sources Facebook considered Developing video streaming apps over several years But in the summer of 2016 they decided to make video a top priority We talked about this a bit this morning on on TMS and I still don't know where exactly I fall on this But part of me just hopes that what little info we have about this just means that they'll start allowing their streaming content to happen over this app because right now browsers phone and Airplay or something are the only workarounds and I want to start watching real content from Facebook on my TV Facebook on your Set top box on your Roku on your Apple TV on your fire TV Fantastic idea. Yeah, there are things that people want to watch on Facebook on Facebook live more now than ever Facebook needs more eyeballs. They need more ways to monetize this. This is a fine fine fine idea Until I see that 10 minute and again, this is sources say so I don't want to condemn too harshly But if in fact they're talking about Making short form content, which is like Essentially what go 90 from Verizon does which if you haven't heard of go 90 should tell you something Or if you have heard of go 90 and never watched it, I think that tells you even more I don't know that people are going to go to a Facebook app on a set top box for that Right, that's the kind of stuff you and Verizon's go 90 to you know to be fair is meant for your your mobile device So maybe this report is wrong. Maybe we're misinterpreting that part of it I kind of hope it is because Facebook coming out with some original content some original live streams Getting more deals to stream live stuff and going into competition with Twitter on that I think those are very smart ideas. Yeah, Facebook to do right now And I also think it's possible as I I think Amazon's the best example of this because Amazon came into the sphere and said All right, look, we mostly sell stuff We started with books and now we sell all these things and now we want to start streaming you content and not only that We want to make our own content and stream it to you and it'll be a part of your thing You pay us every year for prime shipping that was a hard sell because it just was weird Yeah, it's the place I go to buy toilet paper and medicine and you know, whatever Well, let's take a step back the place I went to buy books became the place I went to buy toilet paper and now it's the place I go, okay I'm okay with the toilet paper, but now it wants to show me television shows Yeah, I mean they all they almost had an advantage of the kind of the long tail there They could kind of ease everybody into this idea and I still don't think they're great at marketing how prime video works It still feels a little clue to you especially on the website. The apps are fine, but it's a little bit weird. So That's a challenge like Facebook for as big as they are for as much growth as they have as much money as they have and As many famous live streams like Chewbacca mom in the back of her car freaking out about her Chewbacca mask and how many hits that got That that proves you've got a platform big enough, but it doesn't does it mean that you can Convince people that there's gonna be great scripted 10-minute content on your site. That's really really hard I'll argue with you there I'll argue that if you create a great scripted content that gets in front of people and everyone's like dude You got to watch house of cards stranger things, you know Mozart in the jungle Bosch, whatever it'll get people to go and install your thing and And community on yahoo now aside if Facebook does it right that'll happen It just doesn't sound like that's the approach they're taking. Yeah. Well, everyone else has a back catalog Hulu has a back catalog Amazon and both Netflix started with you know existing films and deals with other content creators and then introduced their stuff Yeah, the different direction and if that's all they've got what do you stay for you may come for the 10-minute? Stay for the argument about politics with your uncle. That's right I don't know Hey, so the European Union has been working on getting rid of roaming charges So that no matter where you go in the EU if you're from the EU and your home account is the EU You won't have to pay those roaming charges be just because you crossed from Germany into France or whatever One of the big problems with that was the carrier saying okay, that's all well and good for you to legislate that but When my user from Deutsche telecom roams over to An Italian Operator suddenly that Italian operator is charging me for that for my customer roaming on their network And if they're charging me up the wazoo, I can't afford to not charge roaming fees That's just not fair So what they did is they have effectively agreed on caps on wholesale data text messaging and call charges between the carriers There's the caps on text and call are very straightforward that the caps on wholesale data Kick into effect at one rate and then they lower that rate slowly until 2022 To kind of ease the pain of this but essentially there'll be a cap that says you you can't charge Someone from another carrier to roam on your network more than this amount and that way It's not a big deal for the carriers to not charge roaming fees to their customers So the EU still has to vote to approve the deal But if they do and they're expected to do so it would become effective June 15th 2017 isn't all that far So I wonder if the day will come where these companies Start to conglomerate we start to see big two or three competing telcos like we have here in the United States and They are wireless providers and they are the providers of the EU Well, that's the interesting question. Why hasn't that happened already and the answer is the countries and the telecoms have said Well, no, we're not gonna let that happen We're not gonna let Deutsche telecom just come and take over all of the European carriers So they put in they put in place blocks and I I think you bring up an even bigger question What which is okay if you're setting the rates on the wholesale side And if you've got a lot of impediments to somebody moving into other markets in the EU How do you? Create an open marketplace that'll set these rates. Yeah, like do we end up seeing another tier of providers that pop up and they're Some sort of multi-country EU based larger You know will will the individual countries allow that or will Italy say like no, you know We're pretty good buddies with the telecoms here. We're just not gonna let anybody else enter this market Yeah, I honestly I mean as much as I'm trying to dig around to find a way that this works It may never work like this may it could happen through acquisition Deutsche telecom could come in and buy the Italian telcos sure and and that may that may be a direction it goes We'll see if they coagulate User wins or something a quit It must have quit Fitbit announced that product services for its coin payment cards will stop February 28 2017 that is just next month folks or this month. I'm sorry today's the first Fitbit acquired coin in May of 2016 But the actual coin smart credit card devices were left out of that deal What does that sound like sounds a lot like another acquisition? They made anyway payment cards will continue to work until the batteries in the device die But the mobile app will no longer work after the February 28th deadline and users will not be able to change or add cards linked to the device Never had one of these I Ordered one and then they took so long to come that I didn't give them my new address and then when Fitbit bought them They gave me my money back. Yeah, and I feel like that is I'm not the only person who took that journey I know some other people who got their money back to my wife actually ordered one and got it. She's never used it The advance of mobile payments Is much more promising as little used as it is here in the United States is much more promising than coin Coin feels like it's from another era at this point It feels like it's from that app-based era where we were all really excited about new phones all the time and Kickstarters and now we're into a world of automation and machine learning and internet of things and coins Just isn't that interesting anymore? I totally agree It's it's really sad kind of because I remember when that hit everybody was so excited like this is the future of Payment like we are we're taking this thing by the horns and and the banks are too slow And we're gonna be the ones that figure it out and it felt like a month later There were 10 new ideas that were better than this and it just died on the vine which is unfortunate But why is fit that keep buying stuff that ends up being weird or phased out or that's the that's the part of this Well because they want to use the technology and something else right so with pebble They want to use that interface technology They want to use those developers and it's not immediately obvious right now because it takes a while to Integrate that stuff into your product line So it'll be interesting to see if and when that stuff surfaces with coin I assume they want to add some kind of mobile payment system into their wearable devices That makes perfect sense like pay with your Fitbit So I would expect Scott for us to very soon see Fitbit coin All right Fitbit coin on your on your pebble band Apple beat expectations we mentioned that the numbers yesterday in case you didn't hear them revenue of seventy eight point four billion up seventy five point nine billion Profits of seventeen point nine billion Apple sold seventy eight point three million iPhones up five percent year over year Got some more numbers in since yesterday because they happened right before the show iPad sales fell nineteen percent to thirteen point eight million CEO Tim Cook in the earnings call said that the Apple Watch set a revenue record But they don't report Apple Watch sales or revenue independently They lump them into an other category which includes a bunch of other things that category fell from four point three five billion to four point Oh two three billion Apple's services which include iCloud and Apple Pay jumped eighteen percent to seven point one seven billion and on the earnings call Apple said it plans to double that amount in four years a lot of people speculate that means they might acquire Some kind of service a lot of people are suspecting some kind of television service media service if they're expecting to really Double that amount in four years a couple other notes here that are interesting sales in greater China fell twelve percent That's attributable in part to the weak Chinese currency Though it is interesting that mainland China sales were flat Meaning much of the fall in China sales came through the Hong Kong market and Apple benefited overall from an extra week in the quarter Due to the way the calendar fell it would have been Ending it would have been ending their their quarter in a weird way if they would have left it at the normal 13 weeks So they added 14 weeks, but that last week is the post-holiday week So who says how much that really added but it did add something so a lot of people are making a lot of arguments about how To interpret these numbers given the fact that the quarter is is a weird size Yeah, also all I heard in 2016. I swear was Apple iPhone sales are down. They're a record low They haven't been lower They're losing market share and then I find out at the end of this that they're up 5% year over here Should we just always wait for earnings calls and forget all the speculation during? Yes, you should That said up 5% year over year in a quarter that had an extra week Could almost be flat. I mean, it's it's a it's a what-if game, right? Because you're talking about You know a differently sized quarters and comparing them and it's gonna shake out because they're gonna have to get put that week back At some point and one quarter is gonna be a little smaller So, you know, you're you're not gonna be forever Without that without that comparison, but it does cloud the issue a little that said it wasn't horrible sales It wasn't like the the iPhone fell flat, which a lot of people were saying yeah Also, I mean they've been offended a little bit from the Samsung messes What do you mean? What do you make of this that we're gonna double the amount of money from our services? Yeah, Apple for years was like we make hardware we make our money on hardware services are there to sell hardware now They're making money on services and they're playing pay-and-lip service to wanting increase that money I don't think they increase that money out of iCloud necessarily It would be very optimistic to see Apple pay finally catch fire and provide that so it has to be some new service They're contemplating. Yeah, that's what I think I mean they it's one thing to say we're gonna hunker down and make these two things really really succeed and Apple music's part of that and have all these initiatives But I have a feeling is either something new to launch and a very well could be no one's talking much about it It could be that finally a real TV service like they've been in a rumoring for years and years and years Or maybe it's something totally different, but yeah, what if the Apple car is a car hailing service? Oh What if I just pay a monthly fee and that thing just picks me up and takes me wherever I want to go How about that? I mean now we're just speculating wildly, but Yeah, we're getting excited and yeah, but also if that's your speculation I could see things quadrupling in that amount of time if that's indeed what they're working on and it's a good service I think that's what caught everyone's attention is for them to double this it has to be something Kind of wild and unexpected. I would yep Well, we'll see Waymo speaking of increases has increased the number of miles and it's autonomous car Driven in California in 2016 while decreasing the number of disengagements a Disengagement for those who don't know and I didn't either before reading this is when a human has to take control of the car For any reason from events on the road to pauses to adjust software or just squash a bug in the code Disengagements were zero point eight per thousand miles in 2015 and fell to zero point two percent or per rather Thousand miles in 2016 most of the driving was in the more challenging city and suburban areas as well The raw numbers are one hundred and twenty four total disengagements in 2016 over six hundred and thirty five thousand eight hundred and sixty eight miles So yeah, I think when you when you see this headline you think oh That's when it ran into a problem and the the driver had to take over well Yes, it is that but it's also the driver's like, huh, I you know, I noticed a little interface bug Let me stop down and and see what I could do to squash that or log that so Having only a hundred twenty four of those kinds of incidents of all of those kinds of incidents is pretty good Yeah, it's still a hundred twenty four more You know, you want this thing this disengagement number down really low Well at some point maybe they'll they'll parse the state in the way that says These are the ones that were specifically to squash bugs in the code or these are the ones that were specifically to adjust something Not necessarily. Oh, oh, Barbara needs to take over something's gone wrong It'd be nice to separate those because I'd like to know what those numbers are But I want zero of all of this and something something gone wrong Yeah, I would like to know the number of times that is we have the number of accidents And then we have this larger number it'd be cool to see the number in between I totally agree. I guess all I'm saying is I feel like when I drive to Vegas takes me about six hours I stop about a hundred and twenty four times Yeah, I don't think the driver had to go take a pee counts as a disengagement I know I know and that's true But I guess my point is I still see these as really positive numbers like that That's a lot of miles for under 200. Well, it's a big reduction I think that's the most encouraging thing is like wow, they went from 0.8 to 0.2. That's huge Are they gonna start hitting the wall soon? Hey, was that like let you know, we've we've squashed all the really obvious bugs Are we is it gonna get harder and harder to make progress from here on out? Yeah Hey, folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines comm All right, so a couple things here first of all Boston Dynamics Is tired of scaring you with with robots that walk like people so they've created a robot That has segue like wheels and can just roll right over you the robot is called handle It can balance its own weight According to speed movement and terrain your only hope is to run up a hillside though because unlike big dog This one doesn't seem to be able to do much more than just flat spaces It can do grass it can they show it running on grass, but it does seem like it needs flat spaces Boston Dynamics on the one end of the world is making like crazy cool robot concepts that work in reality But we're not really seeing them used in our daily life on the other hand Turns out the robotic industries Association reported Tuesday that robot orders are skyrocketing American businesses North American businesses Mexico, Canada and the US ordered 34,606 robots in 2016. That's up 10 percent over 2015 sales rose from 1.8 billion to a new high of 1.9 billion US led the way with 31,000 orders Mexico had 4,700 orders and Canada little little robot tipped there with 2,700 orders that pales in comparison to the rest of the world though the International Federation of Robotics hasn't put out their 2016 numbers yet, but last year and so these numbers are probably gonna rise to China ordered 69,000 robots Japan ordered 35,000 robots and South Korea ordered 38,000 robots and If you're wondering where these robots are going short answer Scott is automotive 20,000 of the robots ordered last year in North America Went into the automotive sector That's up 25 percent Another place they're going is food and consumer goods. That's up 32 percent there's also ones for electronics plastics life sciences and Essentially mostly an automotive you probably have an image in your head of a robot, you know putting in a rivet putting on a door and and more Sophisticated versions of that is what a lot of these do they place and pick up objects on an assembly line There's also packing a lot of these robots are packing things up for sale You've actually seen that in Amazon a little bit and they cut or forge materials That's another automotive assembly line, you know cutting pieces forging metals together But vision and motion control are big areas of interest in development BCC research says the global market for machine vision system components should reach 19 billion in 2016 and 30.8 billion by 2021 This is because people want the robots to be able to just move on their own without having to program old robots You'd have to you'd have to lock it in and say okay You're gonna go from this area and then you're gonna follow this path to get over there and do that and if Conditions changed you had to readjust the program could also cause a safety problem because the robot just did its thing It didn't know you were there machine vision says go over there You can see your way over there and if somebody gets in your way don't run them over Well, they end up being less. I mean they're almost like century robots when it comes to car manufacturing for example, they're they're Very much planted in a place and they do the work that they do and they don't go anywhere and The idea that you could have a more mobile robotic solution to to any number of logistical problems on an assembly line or Whatever even just if it's oh this one's gone down. We need one in its place if they could just like literally swap places those kinds of things are huge and Every time I see something new happening with motion control, whether it be VR or even our phones or or Optical detection that can recognize faces or objects or you know drones that can see that there's something in its way and avoid those things I always think oh man. These are huge steps like we're using them for trivial things right now You know relatively speaking, but there are enormous steps into putting machines in in places where right now We only trust people to do it and that could be surgeries that could be other doctor stuff It could be all sorts of very intricate hard to do Current human endeavors that a machine would be faster more efficient and more accurate with Once we get to that point and so much of that is motion control and pressure control and You know sensory stuff that has to do with you know movement and and ocular recognition and that sort of thing so so to me This is why I think all of this stuff you just mentioned and all that we've talked about so far It's probably why I'm seeing so many new articles pop up on the internet that are basically scare articles about oh No, our robots taking our jobs again And whenever this happens, I have to think about all right Well, what's changed since the last time we freaked out about this and what you've mentioned some of those things are the differences like there's a Precision to what we're doing now with robots. They used to be a lot more just sort of Over and over and now it's a lot more, you know Intricate and and responsive what one one example is inspection So with with machine vision and especially with 3d machine vision This this applies particularly in pharmaceuticals and in food industry you're having robots that can look for defects because they can see and scan in 3d and Decide, you know with a little bit of machine learning whether the thing they're looking at meets the standard It's supposed to right. I'm always surprised that we're still we still have Any of the markets in the world any of the stock markets that exist in the world when and let's just say The New York Stock Exchange just as a single example Why that still involves a bunch of people running around well and it involves less people than I used to in fact That's that is going away. That's true. We're definitely getting there, but in theory It's a server farm and nobody's there except some IT guys like that's theory what we could be doing and we don't and I don't know Why are there still a salesmanship aspect to it? There's some other stuff Surely that's going on but the rate that it can process things it can in real time Buy and sell and do all the things it does like part of this is just that's just data processing That's not even robots, right? That's true. We're just talking about computers in that case So I guess maybe that that brings me to that my what I'm the whole point. I'm trying to make is We tend to get more automated as time goes on We tend to have machines start to do more of what we used to have to do and new more interesting Sometimes diverse jobs rise from that so you may lose some jobs on the assembly line but you may gain them in Designing for these robots for software engineering for various other things So I'm not so worried about that's always you always go back to the the lotus one two three story And how the entire accounting industry thought that meant the death of their business And what it did is it created? Thousands and thousands upon thousands of more jobs because suddenly there was a million more things to do in and around How much more data you can now work with because of spreadsheets because electronic spreadsheets So so I I'm always very optimistic about that sort of thing But yeah, you're so sometimes to accept these things is so slow to like implement it Like I want my heart surgery when I'm 80 I want it to be a robot. That's just real good at it Does it yeah, that knows exactly what it's doing and won't make a mistake. Yeah, I Seems reasonable to me, you know I did a column a couple weeks ago on the patreon if you're if you're at the $5 a month level you get these weekly Exclusive columns and it was just about that sort of thing about how to tell if it's a problem or not Generally on the long term Technology improvements don't eliminate our ability to work, right? They they have not yet caused us to you know all-starve because we had technology improvements instead They generally improve life they make it so that people like you and me can afford all kinds of new clothes Instead of having to pay a tailor to make all our clothes because they're machine-made They they allow us to to have a washing machine instead of spending half our day Lugging water up from the creek to do our washing because we can also have indoor plumbing like in the long term It works well the short-term disruption is where it becomes an issue and that's where the guy who's like Yeah, you say it works. Well, but I used to have a really stable job Minding the robot to make sure that it was on its programmed track and now that you have this machine vision I'm out of a job because they don't need me to reprogram it. They don't only need one reprogrammer now instead of three And so what about me? What about the guy who who was working on the factory line in a situation that is now automated? And that that is where the disruption happens and that's where you have to pay attention You have to hope that there has been a good enough educational system That not only are the people displaced by this able to find other jobs that are profitable and that they enjoy But that there are opportunities for them to retrain in in that situation Because what the robots do is not take away jobs The robots allow companies to work more efficiently a smart company will take that money and come up with new jobs That allow it to create more profits and more value, right? And that's the harsh capitalistic term for it But they like you said with Lotus one two three came around Companies didn't just get rid of their accounting departments, right? They said oh now that they these guys don't have to be spending all their time on the dredge work We can have them do these other things that will help us become an even better company And and the trick is to find like okay now that we've got robots on the on the factory floor that can kind of take care of themselves What can we do with those people who had those talents that were minding those robots that we couldn't do before that was just too expensive before and and and and make our products better maker companies better sure and there's the whole other issue in Conversation about what does it mean for people personally? What will happen in the home? Home automation and Internet of Things and those sorts of things are happening now and to some degree. There's some Some robotics happening there really it's just devices talking to each other But you know it's a path to those sorts of things, but what will happen one day Will it be more than just a Roomba? Well, I have a yeah sort of bipedal Robot that does everything I needed to do when I'm not around is it a Boston Dynamics segue Security guard. Yeah, I mean that is and will it ever turn on me That's sign that stuff is science fiction. It still isn't so many ways, but We're finally getting there and that's when I think all sorts of new innovation comes and new jobs come and new opportunities And new use cases. I hate to keep point poking at the Lotus 123 But that's what it did it was thought to kill everything and what it did instead was inspire a bunch of new ideas around it So that you could make more of your business make more of your employees make and what we have to not forget Is that it did eliminate a few people's jobs? Of course, right? And so we need to focus on those and help those people out figure out how to bring those people along To a new way of making a living don't leave those folks behind and and that's that's where this kind of automation is Concerning is like, okay, we're gonna have a we're gonna have a bunch of people that this will affect and and how do we help Those people out. Yep, totally agree Well, thanks everybody. Let us know your thoughts feedback at daily tech news show calm Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit, too You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com one last side No, just occurred to me as I was wrapping up If you look at a lot of internet of things and sensors and devices and you wonder like okay fine I can unlock my door with a key. I don't really need an August lock remember that these Industry-level Situations are part of that too when that August lock can can unlock something for the robot so that someone doesn't have to go And unlock it and it's secure it introduces all kinds of their sensors Cameras all that sort of thing All right, let's get to our messages of the day Hey, would you would you mind alternating these with me? I'll start with the first one Yaru in Malaysia wrote some time ago I made the switch to IPv6 in relation to our talk yesterday and I noticed something strange on my VPN It was starting to cause leaks that revealed my real IP address I tried changing a few settings and noticed that changing it back to IPv4 fixed the issue while I'm not the most technical person in the world I'm not clueless and do consider myself to have more knowledge than the average person in this regard I've actually learned how to plug DNS leaks as I learned how to use VPNs and whatever measures I am using to simply isn't working for IPv6 so back to IPv4 it is And it's not immediately obvious what might be going on there, but maybe it is to one of you So if somebody's like, oh, I know what that is when you use IPv6 You have to have a VPN that supports IPv6 or else it'll leak. Maybe it's something like that Maybe it's something else send us an email feedback at dailytechnewshow.com help a Yaru in Malaysia out. Yeah, no kidding Nobody wants their IP leaking Alan wrote in says hi Tom I really like the episode about IPv6 to stick with the topic here Ethan wasn't entertaining an informative guest and not just on networking but on other tech topics too You should definitely invite him back more often and you told me before the show He is good to go for any time we need some expertise on that level. So that's awesome The show even inspired me to find the switch in my router to enable IPv6 Unfortunately my cable modem only does IPv4 IPv4 or IPv6 not both So I think I'm stuck with four for the time being another great episode the great first-time guest Yeah, that's a bummer. You should be able to switch your modem to IPv6 and still do Some nap on the other end with the router But that yeah, it is it is something where you kind of you do have to get everything Talking the same language. So I get that Franz from wet and hot Pretoria South Africa said on Monday 31st January the team discussed Uber as a service rather than as an employer As it might pertain to self-driving cars down the road And I was wondering if I could be one of the people getting out of my little self-driving car at the office Then lovingly stroking its roof saying who's a good car who's a good car then go make daddy some rent money And off goes my little self-driving car to Uber all day long making me mega rich in the process as I'm writing this I'm getting a mental image of a guy wearing a faux fur coat shiny gold medallions around his neck standing at a street corner in a Shadier part of town serrated by half a dozen slightly dirty slightly beat-up little Uber self-driving cars being berated for not working hard enough Ina ouch Thanks for the show Franz proud patron. Thank you friends. I hope it doesn't end up like that but I do like your point which is you if you were to purchase an autonomous car and Uber had a platform that Others could use you could potentially Plug into that platform. Yeah, why not? We also got an email from Jason Jason quiz. Is that really his name because that's awesome. Yes I mean, who are we to doubt that that's I'm not gonna doubt it. In fact, I'm gonna adopt it I think it's amazing says Tom a couple of days ago. You talked about Dropbox is new a smart sync feature There was also mentioned the service would figure out which items you use the most and keep a local offline copy for easy access And then store less frequently used items in the cloud. I for one really like this idea after using the beta It seems that there is no smart algorithm figuring out what you use Unfortunately, you have to manually tell files and folders which state you want them to be in either local or online only The online only files show up as reference files and folders on your computer when you double-click on a file It begins downloading a local copy which will stay local until you manually change it back to online only The online only reference file makes it much easier to browse and find sorry fine seldom use Used files, so I would recommend people who have access to the beta turn on a smart sync I love the show and appreciate all hard work you and the team put into it every day. Thanks, Jason So I've got a real big question about this. Hold on. First of all, I want to thank Jason For gently correcting. I appreciate that very much. I was just wrong I it was I try very hard not to do this But sometimes wishful thinking causes me to say something that Dropbox didn't say And I just kind of jumped to the conclusion that it worked that way. So I apologize for that Yeah, no not only that but I also just as a as a guy who has a bunch of I have a ton of PSD files Let's just say that I have millions of them and they're all different pieces of artwork I've created over the years and I am always trying to to determine whether I should store these on the cloud on the drive Both places. What's my secondary backup? Like all these kinds of things I would love it if it was smart enough or if I could have other rule sets that said hey anything I've created in this last amount of time make those local and then when they're not Yeah, I'm up to the cloud because I probably not gonna touch them for a while Like I think they could go a long way to improve this but I think it's a I think it's a really cool thing Yeah, do do what I said you were doing already Dropbox, please. Yeah, and I'll try not to make that mistake again Hey, thanks Scott Johnson. What you got going on to tell folks about? 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Facebook What does that mean where's that from the Facebook by TV app? Oh because it's a set up box got it got it got it Rome you want you know if you want to you want to be 52 illusion did Lee Ah What else we got we got a fit Bitcoin Way less bugs been there done that robot the t-shirt Do as I say robot as I do Yeah, connect robots la la la la la. I'm not sure that one I'm missing that one. No, it's weird. I don't get the robot. It's a song that I'm not catching Yeah, I don't get it. Would you switch for 30 bucks? NDAs are not lucky Facebook's Facebook gets unlucky decision, but they're just fine They're like face top box Face top box works better than face box. Yeah, sorry doctor neighbor. Oh a robot button issue Where do you see that? It's down for a robot button issue Just I robot needed now That's working hard. I appreciate that Robot legs you can really like rope Waymo just I robot needed now Just I robot. Oh, just I robot needed now Oculus not so lucky spelled lucky with a E with a E. Yeah, oh zing. I Want my face TV MTV illusion Are you feeling lucky VR punk? Rome II Rome if you want to like face top box I'm trying to look for any robot II ones Robot legs Robots like to roll like a player I'm waiting for robot doctors when they can automate healthcare where you can just go in and get scanned. Yeah Yeah, that's what I want. That's one of the things that I mean the health industry is a big area where robot sales are growing and a lot of it has to do with scanning and Identification and stuff like that. Yeah, but they call it I want just like a flash Mole check I just want to walk in and have a go walk out and it's found every mold Approved I had a doctor do that. Give me a full body mole check very very awkward She was a doctor Yeah, it was a 78 year old doctor She said she was a doctor Actually did my last dermatologist was pretty hot But she kept talking about her trip to Miami I Want my face TV you know if you want to face that box with us boats. I Want the robot from Star Wars the one that puts you in the back to take? Oh Yeah, what is that? What is the name of that bot the doc the med bot right the med bot? Oh, um the one from Rocky No There's a Remember the droid and Rocky. Yeah, Rocky fine Had a robot at the house and they would like feed you and help you and to cure you and oh To one be circle to one be surgical droid. Oh One be surgical droid. I never understood why the droid needed a hose up to its face Like is a cool design. That's okay filter the back. Is it is or was it actually a person who died at You know We can't let it go. Well, can you imagine they would just basically stick your head on a robot body? All right, doctor saying you're gonna keep continuing your practice. Yeah, I Wouldn't mind the back to take that would be awesome. You just float in there for a couple of weeks And then you're all better sounds really relaxing. I know right the little back to thingies whatever Cure you or fix you up I don't even know what a back that is Sounds like a face top box and Rome if you want to Are the top two right now and I'm still levelating so there's time to vote if you're watching live or listening live So the tank which will be submerged for extensive period of time Factics a fluid could accelerate healing and treat major injuries If we can treat major injuries, why don't you just stick his Luke's arm in it and then grow a new hand? Well, that's different. That's not just an injury. That's a severed. That's an injury Like what about it can't bring people back from the dead either and they try it or do they come back? Something more than human or something less than human for more than a later They didn't just stick Anakin Skywalker in a back to tank and then out pop North Vader Should have awesome back keen Could be future on Jotemann said or future on a future Rama style head in the jar with a robot body Yeah You got to all vote for in the next election Nixon bot they're taking our jobs Robots, yes It's gonna be worse is when you have you need to repair a robot and you send it off to another plane with robots Why is that worse? It's gonna be worse. Why is that because this because then no better They won't know it's gonna get report repaired right and it cost less That's rather speciesist. It's gonna be repaired, right? It's not speciesist. It's it's machinist Wait a minute a machinist. I know a couple of those That's how it starts Tom's Skynet. They said well, I don't need these flesh things exactly But by then we're all in surgical droids bodies, so it's fine It's a Robo cop Should we go Rome if you want to or face top box? I like face top box, but that's just because I think it sounds better the other one Was also a less of a story. It's that's just me. All right now. You make a compelling case face top box face top box it is Face top box it is no face top box So did you stop using hangouts? I know just me today Oh, I did because I was an idiot and forgot what we were doing. Oh, that was just that was just me being dumb Gotcha. Yeah, I meant to send to the link before and then once I pulled you up on Skype. Oh So, yes, we're still using them. Okay, I was just curious I Feel like it's colder down here, but that could just be the weather although the weather isn't as cold I'll bet it's your tile. Yeah, no, it's the fact that you're sunk into the earth a little bit. No, but it's it's always been the same Distance down into the earth that hasn't changed. They the only thing that changes tile It's warmer in my office warmer in the living room where I have carpet than the door just into here My office was much cooler and I had Tylen I know it was this this after around noon It was hotter outside than them in the living room the living room was cold It was like 65 and that's normal. That's normal for this house that happens here, too But it was like even colder down here than it usually is Perhaps there's something else down there town. Perhaps. That's the other thing I'm wondering about did they unleash when they did all that work and they disturb something in the digging They had to dig Did they unleash some ancient terror? Maybe or maybe they just uncovered some Some caskets. No, you know how I can pull through guys. You just remove the headstones My next-door neighbor was asking me because they put gravel in the backyard too because it was mud back there It's like, oh, how do you like all that gravel? She seemed to not like it, but it's fine by me Maybe they unleashed a kraken. I think Jim. Maybe no crack in the sea-based The ocean here. It's true. Is the Kraken we see based. Yeah, okay. There's no land Kraken But there's all a plumber Maybe there was so much rain that a Kraken found its way here And maybe I misunderstood when they say we're fixing a crack in the foundation Saying we're fixing the Kraken by the foundation Maybe that's just maybe in the language of the native peoples. It just means super-sized silverfish. Oh, those things creep The precise swordfish super no silverfish Yeah, those things are gross-looking And they usually come out what it's wet So I won't go to Florida too many of those icky Crawly things me damn fish That's why you won't go to Florida Good fish and trust them That's not a fish a silverfish. It's like it's it's an arthropod Silver silver fish you need to capture and then extract the silver out of them. You'll get rich Wait, are you telling me are you telling me that a seahorse isn't a horse? Wait, what? Seahorse is actually probably the most progressive animal in the the sea kingdom it the man on a seahorse diet I'm a vegan horse see horse and I eat it I love so hungry I could eat a horse Yeah, but why wasn't it just like I'm so hungry I could eat a cow I mean Kruger says silverfish are insects are the insects are arthropods. Well, they have one of them six legs. Don't they? Yeah, I think so See horse isn't a horse of course Although I'll come and I was a horse of course You know those old the 60s Aquaman cartoons used to fool me because I thought seahorses were big. Yeah, because he rides a big Yeah, he rides them. It's like that's pretty cool I remember seeing seahorses in an aquarium for the first time as a child and being very disappointed So don't they get bigger? Yeah, where's the big one that Aquaman rides? Does someone show me though? It's a big fish And then someone and then I also got my first experience of someone making fun of me for talking about Aquaman Really? No, it's just making that part of the game. I was gonna be mad The wrong Aquaman someone trolled me about Aquaman. See look Stoic Squirrels doing it in the chat room right now Well, I mean if you think about it really his only power is to get out of the things to fight for him That's a pretty good. It's the powers of delegation. Yeah, all could learn something from that Yeah, you just need to be a you just need to be a leader. Yeah My my loyal minions fling yourselves at my enemy What was what was Zach Branigan, it's like well, I know these from Futurama He said that well my strategy was that I know all the robots have a kill limit So I just said waves the waves of my own bed until they're like it was reached. I Love that Branigan. I've made it with a woman kiff and form the men He's the best He's the best worst What's funny is I used to think it was Phil Hartman, but then I realized he passed away before It was a very Phil Hartman like yeah, they were there's Graining tells the story that they had hired Hartman and he died right before They did it so they didn't use them. It's kind of an insane how Hartman's Style has outlived him. Yes, because it was just so good Well, like and it's funny is people remember Troy McClure before they remember the man. He was based on right Is it from a cleaner? No John McCain No, the actor that Troy McClure's that character is based. I guess Troy McClure is not based on John McCain in any possible way Don Doug McClure. Oh Because he was in everything. He was like literally in everything and then Troy Donahue Both be be actors who just I Remember Doug I remember Doug before the only thing I know about Troy Donahue is he's referenced in one of the songs in Greece Really? Yeah, the look at me. I'm Sandra D song. Oh, I Don't know had anything to do with him They mentioned Elvis and they mentioned a bunch of 50s stars in that Hi, I'm Troy McClure. You might remember me for such movies as It's one of the best characters one of the best The Simpsons created many of the best characters Hey, but like like the thing is like there's a crop of new one or not the first one No one remembers like who's the psychologist And it was like a couple of more that they just didn't decide to drop Stop using Tempted to subject you to me singing that song from Greece and I'm withholding and I'm resisting that temptation You'll thank me for resisting that I wonder what they'll be doing. I wonder if that will be like one of the hallowed classics in the hundred years Everyone needs to study good Which will a grease Well, I think it's verging on classic status these days You know how like March 1st is is st. David's day and Nothing special about February 1st, right? Tomorrow's groundhog day. Oh Man after you live it. Yeah. Yeah, I have to keep really tomorrow over and over What's always February 2nd? What's the song in the beginning of that movie? The radio turns on. Oh, I don't remember It's a beautiful day out there Pennsylvania something something and then the song goes You know, you think of the chair and Sonny and share song. Oh Babe, but or maybe it is it is I got you babe But it's the beginning of the song where it's like that Oh It's funny how that movie groundhog day people were saying it feels like groundhog day and it's because of the movie Mm-hmm Now now they do yeah before the movie came out. I'm say that yeah, that's what I'm saying But it's kind of odd because I'm of the age where I saw it in the theater It's like oh, that's gonna be interesting, but it's now a cultural cue Like when someone says Xerox machine, it's actually interesting to think about how many pieces of our speech Are you know or how old? Like there's parts of there's some things we say that we don't really understand why we say them and their cultural references from the 1800s right they've just persisted and lost their connection to the original reference then there's things that are new like you're You're talking about like oh, it's like groundhog day that are fairly recent, you know in the grand scheme of things I think it's something from the 1800s. We still say Okay, yeah, that's a great one. That's a perfect example like that's slang from the late 1800s That's now a not that's now that's now a P a word that is Across many languages like some people who don't know much English if any at all no, okay And it was just a joke by some Harvard. I think it was Harvard students Hmm What's interesting is it's You know that The folk singer Pete Seeger saying that okay was of Choctaw Indian origin. Yeah, there's there's some alternative theories list of proposed etymologies Yeah, are you getting that from though? from Wikipedia Yeah But this is a just Pete Seeger said that yeah Pete Seeger said that in the song in his song, okay The the the most accepted version is that it and nobody really knows but the most accepted version is that it arose from all correct a sort of mocking of of a particular lower education level dialect and spelled o l l k o r r But it was around that time it was around the 1800s when it came into popular being This is a tech related thing, but only barely But I heard that the press secretary's thing today was Me took a Skype call. Oh, yeah. No, I think that's pretty cool. They've reserved two seats in the press in the press room for Remote users it for and they they're calling them the Skype seats so that they can take questions from people that aren't present And who are they are they people like the one guy saw was some some podcast or something Yeah, how they're selecting them is a whole different thing, but I love the idea. Yeah, that's interesting I don't I don't know that that's been done before. No, I don't think so Hmm, and that way you don't need to get security clearance to come in you just Skype in Interesting. Yeah It was started black history month says bio cow February. Oh, yeah, that's right Yep Quick who invented the peanut or not the peanut peanut butter The French nope George Washington Carver. Thank you very much ding ding ding ding That's that's actually that's a that's a I thought that was true Is it? He invented a number of things but peanut butter wasn't one of them. Oh, I thought that was one he did The use of peanuts, but it's Marcus Gilmore Edison Edson of Montreal, Quebec was the first to patent peanut butter in 1884 Oh, did Carver get the first patent in the United States? And that guy got the patent in Canada That could cause the confusion. Well George Washington Carver did a lot of work with peanuts with peanuts Yeah, and he might have been the first to patent peanut butter in the United States Let's see He also did a lot with sweet potatoes Carver is often mistakenly created with invention of peanut butter by the time Carver published how to grow the peanut in 105 ways of preparing for human consumption in 1916 many methods of preparing peanut butter had been developed or pat did Techs invented peanut butter All right fine He also invented chalk hot hot cocoa, but chocolate beverages Which probably tasted nothing like Swiss miss They didn't have marshmallows to their loss But an African-American is I think Is responsible for the yellow light on the traffic signal Really? Yeah up until then the electric the Until then it was just red or green and so it sounds okay until the red suddenly pops up in your coast along at 30 miles an hour Yeah, that's them on the brakes Can maybe if people are warning he thought and he did no All right, there you go folks Thank you Have a lovely evening. We will talk to you tomorrow. Let's Shannon Morse. Yeah