 tough well he has a son so so when it's um when it's so he never saw his son so he got killed she was pregnant she's pregnant yeah you never seen your child but he here to remind us so his son son dead on them looks just like him and he got the tame traits like my brother had this trait about him like um he was like neat yeah we on boss talk one on one yeah we gonna talk definitely uh I from an early age just always love you guys uh movement um Kevin Miller I asked uh I've asked Bob's about him I asked you know I asked a lot of people that I interviewed about him and it being your brother I gotta ask you about like early on losing your brother like that you know what was how was it how old were you when he passed away I was young I was probably like um maybe 16 17 16 17 yeah and and so how did that affect the movement was the musical thing at that point it was a it was a it was but we just started out and then I think we was doing some good stuff and then I think when that happened um to be crazy it was that was the turning point of our career because remember we did um I miss my homie yeah that interview that one our biggest songs ever so that was kind of like a kind of inspiration for us to just take us to the next level you never could believe that that was true you with me forever you can check my rest in peace tattoo but I do believe in struggle I believe that God put us through small stuff it's sometimes big stuff not for us for the person that you need to help because just like if you were alcoholic yeah and I've never drank alcohol in my life I can't come to you and try to give you advice or try to help you get out of it God had to put me through being an alcoholic knowing that I'm going he's going to put me on this path to come across you see what I mean to hear my story and because my story is going to touch you we can help I can help you get out of your you know what I mean so I always tell people all the time I said don't be ashamed of anything you went through you want to speak it into the atmosphere because you want to help somebody sometimes you might not even have met that person you could be talking to me and the person behind you who's listening to you is going through something that you see what I mean no that's real man especially like I said nailed it we're example man you know like like everything we do our children watches we like a god to our children um a lot of us as parents you know so we definitely even when they get older you know we definitely got to be in a place where we can resonate well with the people around us man and guide people out with the light that we shine with so yeah y'all y'all doing great I mean the thing about it is just giving everybody hope I think a lot of kids don't have it they just you know and it's tough to tell them that you're going to be okay when your stomach is growling it's hard to say you're going to eat some food tomorrow like when you're hurting it's hard to say you're going to be all right but when you're in that pain you just want to you know deal with it so but when you love though when you love because when god give us this gift and you love and you don't want to see you want to see everybody do good absolutely but when you talk to some of these people and I've seen it I've done it and they look at you like you just an og you don't know what if you don't have that like you can't tell them anything and that's the part that pisses me off is like you want to help these people and you tell them but my revelation with that is speak it and leave it alone they're going to remember it when god permits it because as much as they might not listen right now they'll listen down the line they're going to remember what you said is better you say something to them rather than be like some of these people like oh they're never going to change don't waste your breath don't be one of those people okay you know what I mean you got to say it and leave it alone they're not going to do it right then and there but they're going to remember what you said don't give up on nobody do you I'm going to go back in a little bit do you remember when when Pete decided he was going to come to California and what were you doing you still was in New Orleans uh not was there a whole time actually so you went with him yeah so when he left you left because that was a great error for me you hear him tell the story or you hear people they talk about it he left and uh he had some money that his grandparent gave him and it's like he was just out here paving the way but you saying he had a plan and when y'all left y'all left together yep well it was a joint decision between you and him we had no choice though honestly it was just like this the city where we was from it just was um was long overdue I'm saying I got to get out or you don't get out you're going to be a victim of victim of why California because we saw the palm trees and was like oh California they went to Richmond they went to Richmond it was like oh snap this was in the calio you know what I'm saying but we thought like you know you see it look the palm trees and from beaches that wasn't it how long was it after Kevin had passed that y'all left left before he left we left before he passed y'all left before he passed away yep I didn't even know that when I got the call I mean because camp was come out too okay so I got the call I was I was going to Richmond High so so Richmond High you know just um the movie that's um Coach Carter yeah yeah so that's my that was my coach for real really yeah that's actually the team I was on which he fabricated a little bit is he strict is he strict and hard like hard to make but but he was funny though more like he was strict but if you ever knew him he he had this light voice and he'd be like I sure he'd be like it's a funny little story but he was a cool dude he was um he was good but it wasn't quite like that his story was written pretty good but um he was tough but I laughed at him a lot but he was he would give me in trouble a lot but it was he was a cool dude it's funny though too how but but I'm gonna go back to Kevin because like I said for some reason I was interested because with y'all earlier music that was the whole that was the whole thing just keeping his name alive um when you got the call because I thought he was down there I'm telling you and I thought y'all left because I just kept just we was going back and forth back and forth y'all how long had y'all been out here when that happened that point I don't know I can't you know even though but I know he hit me like a ton of bricks though I was like she's yeah yeah being your brother definitely he was younger than you older uh he was like you know Kev was young Kev was older I mean he was right right behind Pete he was right under Pete so you he was the middle one now we had four we had um four of us boys and one girl I didn't even know that you know like I said I just know Kevin because y'all put him in the music y'all y'all made that happen with me because everybody come on on my podcast I always ask about Kevin because that was the that was the campaign you know what I mean to keep his name alive so do you feel like he'd be proud of where you guys are at now yeah yeah that was our motivation man for a while it was like Kev was a real good solid dude too man like as a as a big brother but nothing he wouldn't do um he would try to his best to I said I need this jacket he'll go get it he'll hustle to get it whatever yeah he was he was solid so when he lost him it was it was tough for all of us for sure wow do you ever get over it nope that's one thing I always because I hear people talk about it loss of a loved one and stuff like that so many people are losing loved ones on a daily basis and people say they never get over it but you learn to move on though it's tough well he has a son so so when it's um when it's so he never saw his son so he got killed she was pregnant she's pregnant yeah you never seen your child but he hit to remind us so his son son dead on him looked just like him and he got the tame traits like my brother had this trait about him like um he was like neat yeah yeah he's like court has got to be here Nick has got to be a dad OCD you only and um his son got the same thing so it's funny yeah it'll affect his son a lot growing up without his dad I'm sure it did yeah but he's tough though but I'm sure I'm sure it's something we talked about it before so that's what I was wondering if he was like uh he just wanted to know what his dad was like so I was like stories and stuff yeah