 Thank you so much for keeping this company a very good Monday morning to you. My name is Adere Vahili. I want to sample some of your responses to our social media platform before I introduce the topic that is coming up next after these comments. Now we asked you do you think too much money is spent on political campaigns and sampling some of the responses by you. We have Deno Kipli. He says a lot of money is being used in politics. He agrees with that a man may sacrifice the use of his all money at least he or she and end up being poor. Agustin Kavifia says not even much money but too much. Dengeni Kisao Mokweni County well represented. Thank you so much for watching. Fili Jones Minor says siyasa nimchezo chafu umtuna tumia pesa kama zote then a lot at long last as paid votes kumi. Fun enough akuna ata ya family member ata moja. Nimsik Desvila says a lot is used. Kaleb Otebas says of course na kuru ni kondani. Thank you so much. Adimilo Kingori The face of Nyandaro County Magumu Kinangopi is well represented. Thank you so much for watching. Elvis Baraka says that is true. A lot of money is used in political campaigns. Kaleb Otebas says yes na kuru. Thank you. I think then we have Mark Magut says ya not even too much but too much. Those are some of your comments or your responses to the question we ask you. Do you think a lot of money is being used in political campaigns and some of you are agreeing with the situation? Yes, a lot of money is being used in campaigns. Now it's not time to speak matters health. We want to know or to bring ourselves up to speed with the latest. We've been fighting COVID-19 but like the minister of health has been crying out we have had health conditions that need to be looked into. This morning we are talking about cancer. I'm speaking to one and only Omondi Ochuka, he's an economist but I'm calling him the ambassador for cancer. He has been advocating for cancer awareness in the country and he's doing a lot. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? I'm great. It's a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much. No, cancer for a long time is one of the elements and we can agree, we can all agree just like corona it doesn't choose who is who whether you have money or you don't. If cancer strikes it will and it will find anyone. Even so, tell us about your story. My story stretches back to 2011 that is the year I was diagnosed. I was 19 years old and I was in the first year in campus. Sometimes they always ask you so how did they come to know? How were you diagnosed? Did you previously fell ill? It's very funny because I had no health condition that could have premeditated all that. I was just a normal kid. Just a young boy in college hoping for dreams and all that. Then one day I think after class I was in the University of Nairobi. The chit chat you have with your friends after class on a Friday afternoon. So we were chatting and then all of a sudden I just feel like my vision is blurry and I'm very tired and fatigued and then I collapse. So when I wake up I wake up in a hospital and I'm being asked what day is it? Do you know your name? I was very strange because that is not the environment I last remember. Sounds like a movie. There seems to be some blank space between when I was with my friends and now that I'm in a very strange place that looks like a hospital. So the nurse tells me she tells me her name and she tells me you were brought here by your friends because you collapsed, you had a seizure and we do not know yet what would have caused the conversion. So we are running a couple of tests and we will let you know what we find out from your tests. So I'm told to just sit tight and all that I am seeing I'm having a drape of the what, the IV drape. It's still very weak, I can't really quite comprehend so they take me back to sleep with a tranquilizer. So meanwhile I think I think that done a couple of tests overnight so some of them were just trickling in so we were waiting for the doctor to do their morning rounds that was like on Saturday at 10 am. So when the doctors come and they tell me we've reviewed some of your results and they seem to indicate that you could be having liver problem we do not know yet. Of course doctors are very careful in terms of how they relay the information so they tell you that they don't know really yet what could have been the problem but when more tests come more specific tests actually because tests can be done generally and then there are specific ones so they tell me they'll do a couple more tests and then on Monday now we'll have a comprehensive report about my case. So coming Monday they come with the results and they tell me I have liver cancer. Results are out. Results are out. You are in hospital. I mean the hospital. You didn't know you were in hospital until you were brought here. As a young kid in college you had dreams. Of course I did. No you've been told you have cancer of the liver. Right. How did you receive the information? It was really difficult because you don't believe it. It's like a shock and disbelief. You don't imagine that well first of all it was really difficult because the doctors were imagining that I was omitting some information about my health or my lifestyle habit. They asked me if there is any consequence of the case in my family. Of course there is not. I do remember. They asked me if I use narcotics or drink alcohol. Of course I don't. So it was really difficult for them to wrap their heads around my case because most liver cancer first of all it's always diagnosis for liver cancer comes very late like pad stage or fourth stage when there is really nothing that can be done about it. My case was very I think they called it lucky because it was the second stage but still they were trying to imagine what is the history what could have caused it because that's very important in terms of drawing up your treatment plan. They say it's triggered by something. Yeah, it's triggered by something. A lot of things could be genetics could be history, family history it could be your lifestyle when you drink alcohol excessively so that could cause cirrhosis that leave a damage and then also that could cause cancer. So when they sort of realize that now this guy doesn't have any history of narcotics of alcohol they said cancer can always just occur out of nowhere just like a malfunction of the body. So then now we have a new task to look at we are wondering now what do we do now that cancer is there what treatment plan do we draw for this guy and that is now where the work is because usually die in tech like a day it can go for a stretch it can do more specific tests and then the stage the disease further I had stage 2 but now they are looking is it spread is it affecting other parts of the body Right, so when they did that they drew a treatment plan for me the other difficulty that I faced during that point was my cancer was inoperable the scan that came up showed that the tumor was at a very critical point of my liver it was in one of the veins that are very critical in the liver so chances that if it were done surgically I would have not made it out of the theater so what we drew for the treatment plan was do a series of chemotherapy and radiotherapy so that we can shrink the tumor and then later on we can do what is called resection now for most people you already maybe know that liver if you cut it it will grow back so that was the treatment plan shrink the tumor with chemotherapy and radiotherapy and then later on resect the part that is affected and then it will grow back let me just take you back with the kimo a number of people you'll hear them say the chemotherapy I've gone for the kimo but majority of the people out here do not know what goes on with the kimo if it's the therapy you know if I had an accident someone would try to make it work what happens with the kimo people talk of kimo it's shorted as kimo kimo is very simple but also very complex you just go to a booth just like the guy sitting there on a couch sit on the couch I know a lot of people have donated blood or have received blood or have seen somebody in the movies or just in real life so what they do they hook you with the IV on your vein most of the time they do for me here it's one of the major veins here on your hand they use a granular to hook it on your vein and then kimo is basically just a drug it's prescribed so it has a regimen that is flowing on the drip so they could add it to water so that water the drips goes into the vein directly that is a form of kimo that is how they do kimo now with your all life planned out I want to do this course I want to be this person when I finish school this is my life and now you are sitting somewhere having the kimos how is your mental wellness at that point well I think most cancer survivors find it really difficult the beginning when you get the diagnosis and the beginning of your treatment that is the point where most cancer survivors usually succumb or actually they begin to have challenges with their mental health so to be honest really I was really disoriented because you have your life planned out you're young you're wondering why would the cancer happen to a 19 year old who for a long time there's this notion that cancer affects those people that cause it people who have cancer cost it or did something to warrant that disease like for example liver cancer is very stigmatized as a disease for those people who drink excessively but now I am here I'm wondering I don't drink, I don't use alcohol I don't smoke why do I have cancer so there is that why question about the why question is what most cancer survivors go through they ask the same why me why do I have this disease so I think I also went through that period where I was questioning why the cancer was happening to me and if I will make it and if it will affect my dreams I really wanted to be in the academia so I had a lot planned for my life I had but now I'm having kimo actually during the first semester and the second semester of my year one I was struggling with kimo and studies at the same time but I was still clinging and I was still in denial of me deferring studies until a point where I couldn't anymore and I had to be I went into koma I think around 2012 in July so that is the point where I deferred for the very first time so that was difficult for me when I woke up after I think it was around 43 days during that koma it hit me so bad that is the time I was clinically depressed and I was still in denial of the fact that I can't continue with studies anymore and I was having this inevitable thought that I might die soon it is a thought that comes you don't know exactly because you are having treatment so chances are you could get better but on the other side is you might not make it so it actually bothers you so I went through therapy and it was really okay during 2013 I had already gotten over the why question I was really strong I was already grounded I knew this is now my new reality and that is why the point comes with acceptance and also one interesting fact to note about any chronic illness maybe HIV or diabetes when you are diagnosed usually it is more like grief it is like you are mourning you that was before you are mourning your dreams you are mourning your normal health because right now if somebody looks at you you are looking okay but now you are given a diagnosis that is really difficult to go through it is expensive it is costly to treat it affects your body I didn't mention kimo is poison it is meant to kill the tumor but at the same time it might end up killing the good cells in your body and that affects you so one of the ways it affected me is like I lost my hair it was really tragic for me you go to the bathroom and when you wash your hair the hair falls off by itself so that can be really scary you are imagining how what else is affecting in the body so all these things compounded together can actually have a toll on the mental health of the patient or the newly diagnosed cancer patient and at the time when now you stress you feel depressed did you seek counseling or who was your supposed system? it took a long time because mostly mostly I had only my grandmother that's like my family so it was very difficult I don't know what it's called Ethics Award but I'm trying to imagine my grandmother is almost 80 years old the person who is actually supposed to support her at the moment so I was wondering how do I break the news to her without really breaking her heart so it took me quite some time when I started treatment that is almost like 2-3 months after my diagnosis I took some time reflecting and all that just looking at every possibility and just getting myself ready I never wanted to go into treatment when I am still weak I'm still doubting because one thing about healing healing a lot happens from within when a patient is broken from within chances are the healing and the treatment plan might not really work because they're dealing with a tumwell inside and therefore either the drug is going to weaken them further or they're going to not believe the healing process so I wanted to actually grant myself on that so when I broke the news to her it was obviously devastating for her but eventually you really have to accept and just move further so I sought therapy for a year and that actually helped me in terms of grounding myself back to accepting the reality that is and now getting ready for what is supposed to be done in the future let's talk about the social fabrics when you were in school your friends took you to hospital of course they didn't know what was your problem but now later after now the people around you realised you have cancer how have they been for the last say 9 years ok it's very interesting because just like a normal journey for a normal person who is not sick there is always inflow and outflow of friendship and support system but we know that when a disease like cancer it's very challenging the way it affects you because right now in 2012 I'm not going to school so you don't meet your friends often they're wondering where did this guy go some of them know exactly what you're going through and becoming more intimate with you they show support they visit you when you're admitted or when you're at home so the support system can actually grow and be more stronger for you but it can also diminish people the friends can leave you friends can disappoint you all these happen they're realities and everybody has a reason for being with you during the moment of difficulty some of them want to support you genuinely some of them want to learn from you your own journey some of them want to connect more with you some of them find it really difficult because people are different somebody can be over when Mazi Omondi is going through a lot because I had a lot of friends who couldn't come to visit me because they find it really difficult when they saw me in bed bed reading in kama for days actually made them really emotional so I understood that part but also I felt grateful because my journey was now attracting people that are going through challenges that are different unique to their own lives it could be cancer it could be another disease it could be just general life difficulties and I found gratitude in that cancer treatment and management of course comes with a load of a baggage of the treatment fee the cost it's very expensive how did you go around this? I would say I'm lucky because at then I was still covered by my grandmother's insurance and then for most people they start from scratch people don't have an HIV they don't have any form of insurance they don't have any source of income and they're struggling with other aspects of their life so when they get the diagnosis how do we do this? because the drugs are expensive the treatment plan is expensive and it takes a toll on your mental health it takes a toll on your physical health so that you can't even go to hassle so that you can fend for the doctor's fee and the x-rays and all that so for me I think I was lucky I consider myself lucky at least but it got very bad because after some time when I hit 25 I couldn't be covered by my grandmother anymore because of age so that means we had to depend on well-wishers and donors and doing fundraising here and there so that we can support the treatment and I think also that's a story for many cancer survivors they do a lot of fundraising here and there they look for well-wishers, family members friends support them so that's also my journey at some point I saw you you had to go to India for treatment how was it? how did people come around for you and how was the treatment requiring to go for the phase 2 how is the situation now? going to India was a journey it didn't just happen because in 2015 when my cancer started to spread through the body spread to the bones and the brain I kind of lost hope I had exhausted everything literally everything I had I lost a house so I was imagining actually I also defied for the third time so I was a very dejected young person I thought in all this world how can I go? actually at this point were you hustling? I was actually working I was working with Chase Bank Chase Bank had just entered into the market the Kenyan market so we were young interns within Chase Bank but now I couldn't work anymore and you were having treatment and you're still struggling I want to do classes again because I was doing two classes then during 2013 and 2014 so when I sort of felt like I was exhausted I said I'm going home I'm going back home to my grandmother and to be honest I felt like I had lost hope and I always tell people at that point losing hope is not like losing hope is more like you don't imagine a life outside your current mindset for example you lose a child it was your only child now you don't imagine that you might get another child you don't imagine that this new child could give you even a better joy or a better opportunity as a parent you're stuck within that mindset so that is the place I was in 2015 I was like it is over for me now I'm just waiting for it actually I said I was waiting for my death so I went home and I said whatever will be will be but you know life is very funny life does not happen the way you imagine it I just struggled with it there was no medication I was not going for my clinics I was just basically living my life in the village just struggling with my grandmother I used to cook for me I was basically bedridden in a wheelchair it was difficult so during that process we used to get a lot of prospect like should we try something else but now we were wondering if you want to try something else we need resources, we need money we need people I already have people people is the first resource anybody has whether you're dealing with mental health education any aspect of life people is the first resource so I already have people I already have people in my corner I already have friends people who can donate money just build up to get that money that we need for treatment but I was also still afraid because I had done a series of fundraising so there's a time where you feel guilt you feel ashamed to ask for more money for your friends and support system but eventually for you to leave and then accept that you're vulnerable you need help and help can come from people so that is the point also when the idea of going to India came up and we sought consultancy with hospital in India Apollo hospital in India and it drafted our fee and we said 4.7 million is not so high we could get it so we did a series of fundraising and the most remarkable one we saw it we will win so when I was thinking about it I thought at some point I cannot be selfish with my story my story now belongs to a lot of people because a lot of people are invested in it so I thought of we and then I said we'll because I was still hopeful the hope was coming back to me or imagining a future that is possible whether I'm still sick but I can still do one or two things about my life and it's not just the disease going away but surviving with the disease despite the disease so we will win that is the tag that we did in 2016 and it was run by artists and former colleagues at the University of Nairobi when you say artists are they the musicians visual artists like I told you I'm a poet and I also paint for therapy so all this community of artists in Nairobi to run the tag and we did the fundraising in 2016 that is the fundraising that enabled me to travel to India for my first one treatment I hope you have a peace for us you were a poet before me Hello, I'm a writer I write only now let's talk about one of the issue that has been affecting people with their chronic conditions stigmatization and maybe being mistreated how has your case been because I think stigma happens almost where we are the person it could be subtle, like very low key very hidden or indirect or it could just be direct I had both at some point when I was diagnosed a close relative of mine told me liver cancer has very poor prognosis prognosis is how they envision how your life would be like if most people have a life expectancy when you're diagnosed so for liver cancer it's never 7 years and that can go down depending on your stage and depending on the general profile of your body so when I had that this is somebody who is a relative who is very close to me they are obliged to at least give you some hope so when they told me that I felt like they didn't believe I would heal at all and then also the losing of friends that really affects you because you imagine you also want to be there for them even if it's a little way so that also I think also the idea that you are a young person and you have cancer there's a way cancer affects your body it's you, like those days I was not this big or this healthy I was very thin and you're losing your hair so people are wondering what's up with this guy for those who don't already know your story so they avoid it there are misconceptions about it and that's very difficult and then also the other thing stigma can happen in a lot of ways it's like economical stigma cancer only affects rich people which is not the case we have very young kids newborns we have all the people 80 people like me who was 19 middle age 40 it affects everybody whether you are poor each small, young and all that so that's also a way that stigma manifests itself now 9 years down the line you have managed to stand amidst the storms even in this stigma we have people who don't know how to go around being stigmatized they will break down on anything they hear how are you able now to manage yourself? first of all I think like I told you before cancer when you diagnose it it's like you're grieving somebody or you're grieving yourself so the biggest step for me that helped me I think it could also be very helpful for many people is acceptance you have to accept your situation and you don't have to ask yourself a lot of why like why me okay you're allowed to ask during the initial stages of your diagnosis but after that just get back on your feet very fast because acceptance goes a long way in terms of being realistic you're realistic because I have a disease this disease what can we do about it we can do treatment do I have the money I don't have the money who can help me can I solicit funds from friends yes we can do that so all these things are possible ways of looking at your life without getting stuck that oh I'm stuck I cannot go anywhere there's always help out here and you know the way Kenyans Kenyans are very strange people Kenyans they come and show up for you whether you are from a different tribe another economical group they show up for you and Kenyans have shown up for me and some of them I don't even know them by name so it's very possible that if you have a genuine case that needs help you can always be helped I think a lot of people get stuck when they feel help cannot come yes when you seek help there are a lot of things that will come people will believe you people will stigmatize you people will mock you people will ridicule you that happens we are all humans and that is very normal for anybody who is seeking help they always say when you are vulnerable imagine you are a child you depend to be fed you depend to be clothed and bathed you are very vulnerable that is the point for any cancer survivor so for you to accept help you have to accept that you are vulnerable it's very good to actually seek therapy because therapy helps you ground yourself within yourself and also around the environment that you live in and then also be very deliberate with your treatment plan ask questions for your doctors ask them what will this do for me this medicine that you are prescribing for me how will it affect my body for how long will we do this treatment plan you see that most patients are not knowledgeable about the disease or treatment plan but if you are just like when you go into a football page you know exactly where your position is and what function you are playing within that field so the same thing with knowledge about your disease it helps you ground yourself it helps you understand more what you can do because at the end of the day the doctors only do a very small portion when you go back home there is the diet there is how you take care of yourself there is your mental health alright now you have spoken of the people standing with you now you decided to give back to the society by creating awareness I have seen a number of platforms you have tried to create awareness how has that been for you and how is the reception out here well first we have to go back to the point where I was still ashamed still not very ready to go public with my story in 2015 and then 2016 we did the fundraiser that is actually the prime time of my opening about my story and many people were sort of really really shocked because they couldn't imagine how I held it together for those years that many people realizing so that actually revitalized my advocacy and campaigns and that was also the point where I also joined many cancer organization Africa Cancer Foundation we also created Kisumu Cancer Foundation with a friend of mine I don't know whether I think a lot of people know him Jadoody he passed on last year so we were young people when we were joining to create Kisumu Cancer Foundation we thought a lot of young people were getting diagnosed during that time we were learning of a very significant statistic a lot of young people were getting diagnosed and young people find it difficult like we did when we were diagnosed find it difficult to open up about their story but it's the same story when you share it out the story does not now belong to you it belongs to a lot of people who find inspiration in your story who find resources who find insight because for example if I'm diagnosed now and then maybe one day you come to me and tell me maybe a cousin of mine or friend of mine is diagnosed what could we do already I know a few things during my journey that could be helpful for your case so that is exactly what prompted me to start Advocacy and then also I used to blog a lot I used to have a website that I could share my story from my journal during my treatment plan and then that was very good because I saw a lot of positivity from the responses I was getting I was getting invited to hospitals to talk to young patients we were doing campaigns all over the country through this organization ACF and KCF and I also partnered with Kijabi Hospital to teach the kids how to paint the kids who are going through cancer so those actually in as much as I was also giving back to the society they also opened up my story to them they allowed me to heal father because I told you healing is not just about the disease going away it's also about the fulfillment you get from your life that it has some purpose now who are you partnering with and the stakeholders and maybe the government do you think they are doing enough to ensure the cancer management the treatment we've been having calls to have every maybe the machines other than going to India or any other country to be treated we can have that here do you think enough has been done? I don't think it has been done but the thing is in Kenya there's a unique problem we have a very brilliant very beautiful strategic plan for cancer I don't think many people do do know about it we also have a parliamentary act that is supposed to help mitigate the cancer so we have calls to make cancer a national disaster I don't think we need that we need to enact and enforce the issues that were raised within the strategic plan if you can implement those issues then we have a long shot at actually defeating cancer in this country I think it's very common to hear people say we need a special cancer hospital in Kenya at least maybe even five or at least in every county these are things that are enforceable they are not far fetched we can do them because we have the resources and I think also we need to accept the fact that the government has not really done so well in terms of health in general right now when COVID happened that is now the moment we realise how how defeated how broken down the health the health care is the country so I think there is a lot that is supposed to be done but it's also important to know that campaign advocacy has opened the voices and has enabled us to know what exactly we need to do we need to build a robust public health care because previously we didn't know that something as simple as spitting on the street could be detrimental to another person's health this is something that COVID is exposing so the thing about cancer for the past 10 or so years it has been exposing our vulnerability what we need to address so we need more remuneration for the doctors we need more training we need more specialised training because cancer is very hard to defeat but just a general practitioner of a doctor or an MD we need specialised care so that we train our doctors oncologists who are actually dedicated to cancer cancer treatment and then nurses and then maybe radiologists who actually do the imaging and then we need at least maybe we have like renal healthcare for kidney we need also specialised cancer wards if it's not maybe a wing within for example in K&H maybe we can have a whole hospital dedicated to cancer we will enable us to cut down you know medical tourism where people travel to Europe and Germany and India to seek treatment that can be done locally so I think as much as the government is trying because health sector is one of the most crucial areas of a country and the government has really tried to fund it give it more funding than other sectors I think there is more they need to be good with good political will every other time when challenges happen we see politicians flying abroad to have their treatment does that mean that we do not have doctors who could do the same treatment here of course we do we have very brilliant doctors around and we could also build hospitals dedicated to these issues that are affecting us and we could also focus more on primary healthcare because the moment you neglect is like building something fascinating for example about Nairobi we build a lot of scrapers but deep down we still have ghettos so primary healthcare is very important in terms of mitigating cancer so that for example when I was at home in 2015 I used to go to a dispensary and I would only be given paracetamol maybe 5 of course paracetamol is very ineffective for cancer pain I'm imagining a situation where we have a very robust primary healthcare where the dispensary can follow referral to a point where if they need if they feel like they cannot handle you they refer you to the next level if that next level cannot handle you they refer you to the next level until they come to a national referral system now that's where they need a specialized facility now if they have to of course review your profile and see what do you need now that you refer you to a specialized care this can only happen if you have a good primary healthcare system well that's a good message I'm hoping it has gone out there and people have had as we finish allow me to ask you this question for the sake of me and someone who is watching 9 years down the line how are you right now that's a very difficult question to ask but I think I am grateful I'm really grateful because it could have been worse because I didn't become selfish with my story I shared it and I continued to share it the days that I feel I shouldn't share it I feel overwhelmed but I still pick up myself and say this story is not mine alone I have to just reach out to more people when the cancer came back last year I went on a remission remission is where you go to a point where the cancer is not there they do a scan and they tell you so I went through that after 2017 after I came back from India so the cancer went into remission and then it came back last year so right now I'm doing treatment again kimo and radio at a better point than I could have been 10 or so years you all have come I'm giving you 30 seconds this is your camera tell the people out there one thing they need to know and maybe make a call to stakeholders and the government this is for everybody who is going through cancer cancer affects a lot of people the patient, the caregiver and the support system I think love goes a long way in terms of how we manage cancer we need to really be more deliberate with our love we do not need to stigmatize people farther than they really are when somebody is diagnosed they are really vulnerable so stigmatizing them farther I think that sort of affects them in a very negative way so I think I'm really appreciating everybody who is doing anything that they can to support cancer patients to be a caregiver the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals the parents, the siblings that is a really commendable job that you are doing it's not something that can be worn by one person alone so I think that is where we need co-advocacy, we need voices we need support, we need resources so we are not supposed to just leave it to the government or leave it to the hospitals or leave it to the person who is surviving it we need to come together and talk more and keep the conversation going because through the conversation we get to expose the weaknesses we also get to learn about our strengths I think also this is a call to the government to enact the issues that they raised within the National Cancer Strategic Plan of 2012 if we do that we are going to we are going to be able to manage one of the most devastating diseases in cancer cancer is like the third leading cause of death in Kenya so think if we are able to be more open to be more honest politicians have a lot of ways of promising people year in and year out but there is nothing that is really done so I think it's a call for implementation it's a call for actual implementation if we do this because when we build a hospital or when we fund the Ministry of Health when we bring in more more medication when we build when we diversify NHIAF so that it can accommodate at least the old population when we bring in universal healthcare these are things that not only affect the cancer patient it now goes to affect the old health in general but I think we also need to be a healthy nation in general we need to be more healthy we need to be more positive we need to cast our tribalism and all that because all these things tend to affect us negatively and put us on old when we should be supposed to be a father in life alright thank you so much you have had the message thank you so much thank you for coming story I'm sure it has impacted someone out there and they have been made strong they will overcome not even in cancer even under conditions they know there's a victory in the end I wish you very well and I know you will come out again and you will share your story to continue encouraging someone else thank you so much back home for kipikans company he is Omondi Ochuka I'm calling him cancer ambassador he has made it and he will make it still actually you should have told us your social media platforms people can follow you just follow me on facebook that's where I mostly blog these days Omondi Ochuka is my name alright thank you so much now coming up next is politics let's hear about the commission allocation on revenue to the counties primary health is important is that been cited we will talk about that in a few minutes we take a very short break and we will have a conversation good bye