 How did it come about then that you and Patrick became friends who was Terry's brother one of the biggest crime families in the UK? So how did you in Patrick? I'll be straight. I was in ones of us in on e-wing and I was shouting out the window someone in the block I was arguing and I heard a voice go. He's that paltine and I went use that it means patterns And you know the first thought coming to my head Fucking no, he knows who I am What the fuck's that I was I was privileged and all yeah, you know, I'm acting you know, I am I mean, yeah, anyway long story short. He got there two days before screw Coming to drag him out of bed and he attacked the screw and he got put in the block and The first involvement with him was a geezer was slagging him off for slagging his family off at the windows a black geezer And he went poll do us a favor. I mean your course And I nearly come unstuck with a geezer because he was a right lump and It took two of us to have him over at the end of it, but that's how I got to it's got to know Pat And that's how your relationship grew. Hmm. How long was that for how long was friends for 30? Well, that was in 84. So we're about 30 odd years 35 years. Yeah, which is a long time 35 years. What was that sentence for you were in prison for that was for stabbings. I was nick for three stabbings in In a pub in Islington, which was yet again They're in the pub. They're just having a good time One bunk bumps in your summer season bump into you You look at them. They look at you and think we film a cunt and I just I stabbed three muddy ass. No big no big wounds or nothing dramatic. I stabbed three muddy ass and I got nicks about month later It's going into Enfield police station to sign them for a bell case And they took me to Kings Cross one. Oh, yeah, but the funny thing is we're driving down in the green lanes I'm in the back of the car There's three of them with me. I know I can hear behind is an engine roaring bibbing flashing lights And I know it's my dad in my heart. I know it's my dad and in one of them went Paul is that your dad? I Went probably and I looked over the shoulder and it was him. He hated the police Hated the police with a vengeance and I said just pull over don't argue with him and just ear him out just ear him out and They had him ear them out and they went look we're telling him nothing's gonna happen and we ain't gonna do that and it was all right, but That gives you an insight into what I was brought up around where the police are concerned