 and Charles. And I'm Linda Quinlan. It's June 16th. Welcome to All Things LGBTQ. We're taping in Montpelier, which we acknowledge is unceded indigenous land. So I might have a few things, but I'm gonna start with a trivia question. We all acknowledge the Stonewall Riots, June 28th, 1969. It's sort of the beginning of the modern LGBTQ political movement. How many people were actually arrested at the riots? And I won't tell you that Linda came closer than a year. So there we are. I also want to acknowledge that last Friday, June 12th was the fourth anniversary of the massacre at the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida. 49 people were killed. June 12th also happened to be the day that the current federal administration announced their rollback on healthcare protections, particularly for the transgender community. And I'm sure their excuse is the same as when they were confronted about doing a rally in Tulsa on June 10th. Oh, we didn't know. I'm sorry, isn't it about time if you're the administration for all citizens that you just don't know some of our history? There's also the Vermont Pride Festival on an up note that will actually be happening at the Chandler Theater in Randolph. It is going to be a virtual Zoom festival, July 17th to August 1st, be looking in an upcoming episode for Ann Charles interviewing the people from the Pride Festival about what they're doing this year. Also on June 27th, 6 p.m. on Zoom, Linda Quinland may have organized an LGBTQ positive poetry reading. And if you go onto the Kellogg-Covered Library site, Rainbow Umbrella, the Alliance or Momentum Facebook pages, you can find the list and be truly entertained by LGBTQ poets. And this time I'm thankful it was something that Linda organized on her own. Also, I just wanted to put out a shout out that Momentum is continuing to do their virtual copy hours every two weeks on Sundays starting at 11 a.m. The next one is on June 28th. You can also look on the Rainbow Umbrella Facebook page. The census, if you haven't, please do. If you haven't, I could show up at your door. You're warned. And have you noticed a new look in Montpelier? State Street might have a slightly different feel to it. And Zach should be showing a picture at this point in time. But however, I do want to point out that the day after Black Lives Matter was painted onto State Street, there was vandalism. We may feel confident being here in Vermont, but we definitely have work to do. So with that, it's on to Anne. All right, I have many things to talk about today. Poland is in the news because of all the awful things being said by the president. It got its first ever gay couple on television, but they were in a commercial, a condom commercial as it happens. And for Durex condoms, but the advertisement was set to air on major channels in Poland, as well as the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Lithuania, and it was pulled. And I have a clip before you now of the two of the actors in this commercial, Jakov Kuzinsk and David Majcek. And in their, the conversation that you'll see, they crystallize what's going on in Poland right now. So let's take a look at that. For Jacob Kuzinski, a band by Poland's public broadcaster on a Durex condom advert featuring him and his husband was unfortunately no surprise. But it raises fears for what the government will do next when it comes to LGBT rights in the staunchly Catholic country. We fear what's going to happen next. First, they remove you from the advert, next they remove all LGBT themes from the movies and series, and then they'll say the Eurovision Song Contest can't be broadcast because there's too much LGBT in it. This is crazy. Broadcaster TVP told Reuters its decision not to air the commercial followed a quote, large number of complaints about advertising clips with intimate content. The band on the ad, a rare instance of LGBT representation in Polish media, roughly coincided with a promise by President Andrzej Duda to allow no teaching of LGBT issues in schools if he wins a second term in office on June 28. Duda is an ally of the governing right-wing nationalist PIS party, which has labelled lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender ideology as invasive foreign influence that undermines traditional values. Kwasinski's husband, David Mychek, said Duda's re-election poses a serious threat to Poland's LGBT community. The election of President Andrzej Duda for another term, I think it would be the worst thing that could happen to the LGBT community. When he decides to sign the family card, which will discriminate against us in a very obvious way. Brussels-based NGO ILGA Europe this year voted Poland as the worst in the European Union for LGBT rights. They were, have been activists throughout. They have, you know, they passed out masks during the pandemic, rainbow masks. And they're very positive figures in Poland, although they're pretty discouraged as that clip demonstrates. There's a blackmail list in Ghana according to which LGBT activists fight conmen posing on grinder as lovers. There, as we know, Ghana penalizes same-sex relationships. But this Ghana gay blackmail list is beginning to work. It exposes notorious persons who steal from blackmail gay men. There are 1,800 followers. There is a comparable list in Nigeria, but it doesn't work as well. And as you know, in Egypt, Morocco, and Nigeria, as well as Ghana, gay men are often blackmailed and outed by fake dates who trick them into sharing information on grinder and elsewhere. A decathlon, decathlon turkey based on social media black backlash over gay posts. Decathlon turkey is a branch of the sporting good scarf-making, mask-making organization. And it's originated in France. And they put out a post supporting LGBT pride and were immediately greeted by an outcry and backlash in Turkey. Calls for boycott of the business. One person said, how come you won't make the jobs and you'll endorse gay pride? And, you know, there's been a big problem there, but they're sticking with their guns, so to speak. Japan court rejects notion of same-sex couples and de facto marriages. And I've got a picture now before you of Yashinde Uchiama, 45. He's second from the right. This poor guy, his lover was murdered by a colleague at work. And because they were in a gay relationship for 20 years, he can't get any bereavement benefits. He can't get any settlement, you know, afforded victims of gay violence. He can't get any settlement, you know, afforded victims of the families of the victims of crime. So his suit was rejected, but they're going to appeal. There's a very sad story and another picture I have. It's about an LGBT activist named Sarah Higazi. There's her picture waving the rainbow flag. She was 30. She, in that concert, I talked about three years ago by the Lebanese band, one of whom had a gay member. They waved the rainbow flag in the audience of the concert. They were a backlash followed immediately. She was arrested. She was in prison for three months. Administered electroshock, electrocuted tortured, charged with terrible PTSD, threatened, lost her job. For this one gesture, although she was an activist and she was a communist. So she was exiled to Canada. Her mother died. And finally, after having to have another electroshock therapy session, she committed suicide at age 30. She failed her. That's what the headline reads rightfully. Get to know the cast of Where Your Eyes Linger. Korea's first LGBT drama, which portrays the love between two gay men. And I've had a picture now before. The two actors, Han Ji-chon and John Lee Soo. And they play a couple in Korea. A rich romance between two young men, one the heir to a powerful family, the other his bodyguard. So there they are. And that's playing in Korea. YouTube takes down an anti-gay ad after outrage in Russia. Putin is trying to ramp up the vote for his, you know, the rubber stamp victory, if you ask me, at the, at the, by scapegoating gay people. And in this YouTube ad, it's really offensive. Two, you know, a child is introduced to two gay men as his parents. And one man says, this is your mom. And, you know, they call it a dress for the kid. And then the orphanage leader spits on the floor. It's awful. But YouTube has finally pulled it, although a number, you know, thousands of people have already seen it. In a gesture from our US statement, department, the US embassy in Seoul removes the black lives matter banner and the pride flag courtesy of secretary of state, Pompeo. Got 11. So, you know, Pride events kick off in Shanghai with a city run more than 100,000 people took part in this run for pride. And there's no lockdown in Shanghai. Apparently they have a low COVID-19 rate. So that's the first in the lineup of a lot of events for pride that are occurring in Shanghai. Next, I have a picture now of a more Maori transgender woman named Georgina buyer. She's 62. She's sitting there on the parliament grounds after being a member, being made a member of the New Zealand Order of Merit in the 2020 Queen's birthday honors. She became the first transgender, transgender mayor in the world in 1995. Then she became the first transgender MP in 1999. And so she's being honored today. Good for her. And finally, my last story concerns the 2020 Lambda Literary Award winners. And I'll have more of that. But now let's go to Linda. Well, thank you, Anne. There are two big stories this week, which I'll go into a little more, but one is the Supreme Court decision on workplace discrimination. And the second is, as Keith was talking about, Trump's revoking Obama's transgender healthcare protections. And then we have hate groups designate June as this is sort of funny and not funny. But L E, L M N O S plus month, hate group leader and founder and former Virginia politician Eugene Delgado stars in a Vimeo announcing L M N O P month, which stands for lifestyle of mainstream normal ordinary people. Oh, this public group. This public group is called public advocates USA and is listed as an LGBTQ group. So, um, and sadly, this again, I don't know what to say about this transgender murders that are occurring in this country, but two women of color transgender women were killed. Just as the national protests that black lives matter, Dominique Remy, Remy fells of Pennsylvania and Reha Milton of Ohio are the 11th and 12th victims of trans people murdered this year. So, and the GOP has an interesting platform. Well, I haven't read that they've had anything good that they're proposing, but this is the platform of some of the platform of what they are going to have this year. And it is a band on same sex marriage and transgender people in the military. The platform also supports gay conversion therapy. And they want to make it legal for businesses to discriminate against LGBTQ people. So, um, I don't know what they're for, but that's certainly what they're against. Trans woman wins a seat in Wheeling West Virginia Council. She is the first trans woman elected to public office in the state, Rosemary Ketchum won by a slim margin in a four way race. And here is her picture Liberty University black staff members are quitting over Jerry Falwell's Reese's tweets. Trump's new appointee thinks the Homo Empire is taking over the world. Merrick Court again appointed to US AID has declared that the Homo Empire is driving the US and other countries towards a tyrannical agenda. She also believes that women's place is in the home except for I guess it's kind of like a Phyllis Shafley of 2020. Um, Google gives $1.2 million grants to the Trevor project and other LGBTQ organizations. And Brooklyn has a huge rally for trans black lives matter. So, um, that's what I have right now. So we will move to Keith. And thank you Linda. So I want to talk a little bit about our legislature and a bit about how Vermont's responding to the black lives matter matters movement at current. Today actually the house finally voted on H611 the older Vermont's act. They did both the amendment, the second reading and the third reading, which is the substantive vote within the chamber. All, it seemed as though just a matter of course, final vote was 133 to three. It wasn't a roll call vote, but because they're all on zoom and have to raise their hand to be, to cast their vote, the clerk gets a numerical tally versus just the yeas seem to have it in place. So now it is messaged over to the Senate, which is promised to work on it. Why we should be attentive is that as this bill was going through the house members of the LGBTQ plus community testified about being more specific in its language to ensure that underrepresented communities and specifically the LGBTQ plus community was included in that service providing. And as I have said before, there was a difference between an organization that provides services to seniors saying, oh yes, all LGBTQ plus people are welcomed versus creating programs specifically for and based upon the needs of LGBTQ plus seniors. What we're also going to be looking at is they're looking at bringing back together the task force that ended up creating the older Vermont's bill. Some of us will be pushing to ensure that it's not merely service providers who are part of the task force, but it's actually the voice of consumers. And this is the voice of underrepresented communities. So one of the other things that seems to be happening in the legislature is they're really looking at policing in the state of Vermont. And the Senate Judiciary Committee in particular is looking at what could be put into statute relative to oversight. A statewide use of force standards. And one of the interesting pieces that's been happening relative to budgets. And it just happened in Burlington with the mayor releasing his budget. And actually the Scott administration that has been supporting this kind of move is taking some of the money out of the policing budget and reassigning it to support services so that law enforcement is not expected to deal with mental health crisis, homelessness, et cetera. That there will be money for actually mental health clinicians to be part of that expansive process. So that policing will focus on policing and all of those service providing aspects will really be done by people who have been trained to do that. And that's what we're looking at. Fair and impartial policing is also looking at what they can do to create robust training that is inclusive training so that we're not going to see the kind of profile and statistics that have been released recently. And there is also the racial equity task force that has been formed. And unfortunately until they had a very short window looking closely at who is on that and what kind of direction they take. What type of statewide vision they're going to put in place. And commissioner Sirling of public safety has said that there is a commitment to put body camps on all Vermont state police officers so there will be accountability. So that is sort of my quick overview. There will definitely be follow up. Stay tuned. And as Ann is unmuting herself. I'm turning it over to her. I am ready. I'm here to talk about the Lambda literary awards. This is the 32nd season. 32nd series of awards. They're given to. Literary works in the LGBTQ community that are particularly noteworthy. And that have been published during the year. There are 23 categories. So of course I can't get to all of them. But let's start. Lesbian fiction. You know, and I'd like to show you the book covers, but there were just too many. The lesbian fiction award has been. Given to Nicole Dennis Ben. For a novel Patsy. And we read her other book. Here comes the sun, which is fabulous. She's a Jamaican. American writer. This novel is a beautifully layered portrait of motherhood immigration. And the sacrifices we make. And the name of love. So check that out. Gay fiction has been awarded to Brian Washington's. What a collection of short stories. In the city of Houston, a sprawling diverse microcosm of America. The son of a black mother and a Latino father. Is coming of the age. So you might want to check that out. Bisexual fiction has been awarded to exquisite Mariposa. By Fiona. Allison Duncan. Given the initials FAD at birth. Fiona Allison Duncan has always had an eye for observing the trends around her. So. Transgender fiction. The award goes to little blue encyclopedia for a Vivian. Which is. It sifts through a queer trans woman's unrequited love. For her straight trans friend who died. Sounds a little intense. Let's move on to another category. If I may. Transgender nonfiction. Transgender nonfiction. I'm having a little trouble with my device. Okay. Transgender nonfiction. Is. Well, let me go to. Bisexual nonfiction. We'll come back to the transgender nonfiction. This has been awarded to a publication put up by coffee house. Fresh called. Press called socialist realism by Trisha. She's a writer. She's a writer. She's a writer. She lives west. Her journey is motivated by the need to arrive somewhere better. Some place utopian, like revolution. Or safe like home or even clarifying. Like identity. I've had that impulse. Transgender nonfiction. We both laughed in pleasure. The selected diaries of Lou Sullivan. She's a writer. Transman moving through the shifting social, political and medical mores. Of the second half of the 20th century. Is there a time for me to do a couple more category? Well, let me just do LGBTQ nonfiction. In the dream house. By Carmen Maria Machado. We read her. Groundbreaking collection. Some of us read her body and other parties. The dissection and mechanism and cultural representations. Of psychological abuse. It's about an abusive relationship. Lesbian poetry. And. More black. By tie freedom forward. It's a direct ingenious vibrant alive queer. And black by terms tough and sexy. Wrapped up in evolving language. And scenes of life. I think I missed a couple of. Other. Winners. Let me keep going. If I may. Gay poetry slingshot. By Cyrie Jarrell Johnson. The author and sconce in the menacing isolation. Of the pastoral, but once the work migrates to the city. Monstrum glows from. Fangs. Interesting, very intriguing. That description. Pet sounds. Another. Interesting. Collection. That's bisexual poetry by Stephanie young. It's a one. At once a book of confessional economics music criticism. Disguised as poetry. Transgender poetry hall. By Zandria Phillips. Debut collection by African-American poet. Zandria Phillips. All right. Now there are other genres. I'm not going to mention mystery. I'm not going to mention fiction. I'm not going to mention fiction. I'm not going to mention science. Children's fiction. Young people's fiction. They I personally am interested in LGBTQ studies, but the audience may not be. So I won't read them. And of course. The only other two I would like to mention. Our. Memoir. Because the lesbian memoir is called. We have always been here. We have always been here. We have always been here. And most of our life searching for safety. In a place to be herself. She grew up in Pakistan. And another memoir. Of great note is gay memoir. How we fight for our lives by Saeed Jones. And he's a wonderful up and coming writer. I've seen him on TV. TV. This is a stunning con coming of age memoir. He tells the story of a young black gay man. And he tells the story of a young gay man. Who was allowed to go out. How do we exist in his world? So that's a brief precy of all the exciting literature. That's coming out this year. So stay tuned. So, Ann, can we look that up on a certain site? Like. If you. You could Google Lambda literary awards. And what's wonderful is they have little clips because it's all on zoom now. their awards and they're like a minute clips but you get a sense I mean they're all very excited and so Lambda you could look up Lambda Literary Awards.org. The Lambda Literary Foundation began in 1976. It was the first source to really recognize LGBTQ literature and they published the Lambda Book Report now the Lambda the Lambda Literary Review. They had a wonderful bookstore in Dupont Circle in DC called Lambda Rising but so I could talk indefinitely but I think maybe I should pass the microphone on to another member of our team. Well I think that would be me. All right let's hear from Linda. Well to finish up a few stories here you know as Keith was saying the Trump administration has revoked Obama's transgender health protections. Trump finalized this regulation and removed healthcare discrimination for transgender patients on the fourth anniversary of Paul's shooting in Orlando, Florida. With this the Department of Health and Human Resources will only define discrimination protections according to sex as male or female as determined by biology. Under Obama's Affordable Care Act patients were protected from discrimination on the bias of gender identity so we can't get rid of this man soon enough if you ask me. The Supreme Court determined Monday that the Historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects LGBTQ employees from workplace discrimination and is a and it's you know it's a victory that I mean we don't have much to celebrate these days but this was certainly something to celebrate the law ban's job discrimination based on sex because of sexual orientation or gender identity. This decision is remarkable considering it is a conservative majority in the Supreme Court right now and the decision is also remarkable because you know a couple of conservatives were following the laws and the words of the liberal law so I think we have a lot to celebrate here in terms of that victory. A Chicago cop called the protester of Faggot and lesbian mayor Ms. Lightfoot said she's not having it and she will not stand for homophobia in her ranks. She is determined to identify the cop who was filmed hurling sexist and anti-gay slurs at a protester. When she finds him she assures us he will be fired and this is a really awful story about Jerry Falwell in Liberty University and his black staff are quitting because Falwell made a racist tweet featuring an image of a black face and someone in a KKK hood. And Falwell said of Virginia governor's governor Northam that he would only wear a mask if he could have the governor's black face on the cover of his yearbook the college's yearbook and I think that is pretty much it for me and stories here so I think we have an interview is that what comes next? Okay Ann is going to interview Donna Ann McAdams, a photographer of some note and so let's hear it from Ann. Hi everybody I'm here with Donna Ann McAdams a queer photographer who lives in Sandgate, Vermont on a goat farm but that's only her current residence she's lived to many places around the world and practiced photography for many years so welcome Donna. Thank you I'm happy to be with you Ann. Thank you for joining us I'd like to talk a little bit just give you the viewers a little rundown you studied photography at the San Francisco Art Institute you have an MFA correct you have an MFA in Visual Arts from Rutgers and a BA in Cultural Anthropology from Empire State College as I said you and your husband live on a goat farm you've taken a rural move in your career you're exhibiting widely in Vermont although with the pandemic things have been put on hold but you have upcoming shows when the quarantine is lifted and I invite readers to go on your website to check in with Performative X is the exhibit that's that's been widely circulated but first I'd like to talk if I may with Donna about the pivotal purchase of camera film that occurred in San Francisco in 1975. Okay so I moved to San Francisco in 73 and I was working as a dental assistant living in the Fillmore district in a house with a bunch of people and I was sitting in on classes at the San Francisco Art Institute I wasn't taking them because I was working full-time but I was sitting in eventually I did enroll and I was photographing as I did out in the neighborhood and I was in Dolores Park and I ran I ran out of film and somebody said oh if you go down to Castro Street which is close I could I could just get her all at the little store there so I said okay so I went and so I walked walked down to the store and I went in and there was a big barber chair and there was a guy with long hair and a mustache and he had a really thick accent long island accent very much like my own and he asked he said what do you need and I said I need some triacs I need a roll of film and he said just one and I said I don't really have enough money for more than that and he said well let me set up a charge account for you and you can come in here anytime and buy film and I said oh that's great and we got to talking and he was very encouraging about my work and what I was doing and I didn't know who he was at then but then I came to find out that he was the mayor of Castro Street and he was Harvey Milk and from that point on I became very involved in getting him elected so and I would go to the store and see him and you know he was very very kind and very supportive of my work as a young photographer and actually he's probably one of the reasons one of the main reasons I'm an activist because I want to go ahead because go ahead you go first it's exciting right it's one of the reviewers of your work said that our Harvey Milk you were learning technique at the San Francisco Art Institute but he showed you how to shape it and shape your work into activism yes that was Matthew that was Matthew Reimer who and Layton Matthew and Layton have a Instagram account called lgbt underscore history and they're really fine gentlemen and they and Matthew wrote the introduction to one of the essays in my book and he said Matthew Reimer and Layton Brown I always call Matthew by Layton's last name which is probably a mistake and he said looking at your photography is not looking at activism your photography is activism well in any of the work that I do I I use the camera the camera is part of me but labor and work is also part of what I need to do in order to make the photographs so if you're going to a protest like I went I was in Glen's Falls last Friday for the Black Lives protest and I was part of the the march I marched with the young people very young women who had set that up I marched with them I didn't stand in front of them although I did to get pictures that I needed but I was with them walking with them and yelling and not yelling but you know chanting shall we say sure well apropos of that let's look at one of the photos we've selected for today the number 38 in the catalog that covers an act up march in New York it's called act up act up at the Waldorf Astoria NYC 1990 you were there tell us how you happen to it's a really wonderful photo I hope the viewers are admiring it now so um I attended a lot of act up demonstrations from the very beginning and in that particular photograph it was an action at the Waldorf Astoria it was the first bush I guess he's 40 41 and the other guy is 43 so it was the first uh and he was at the Waldorf Astoria and act up had gotten into the Waldorf Astoria and dropped a banner down and it was the first time that I had seen they had used coffins before but it was the first time that I was actually able to photograph them carrying coffins with writing on the side of the coffins and so I climbed up I jumped climbed up this lamppost skinnied up this lamppost and uh there was a guy holding the coffin he's in the center of the photograph and he looked and he said be careful up there and I said I'll be okay and so I took the photograph and Matthew and Layton loved that photograph and I love that photograph too we later came to find out that the man who actually spoke to me at the time of the photograph was the poet and activist Assoto Saint who we lost to aid in 1994 but I know that at the time and Layton and Matthew and Matthew didn't know when they did their book and later later on the power of Instagram somebody saw the photograph on my feet or perhaps their feet and said do you know who that is and I said no and so we we were able to identify him and to give him homage and respect that he deserves as a as an activist and a somebody we lost to aids well and it's sort of timely the sign Republicans kill me I mean it could be I mean you think you could just move on from that but well let's move on to other photographs of activism now let's go back to 1980 to Turkey Point Miami you said in your catalog that after three mile three mile island you took a road trip and participated in several anti-nuclear demonstrations so this is go ahead what so probably the women women's rights right to choose as a young person was one of the first things that I fought for in the 70s early 70s and then the next form of activism was getting Harvey elected but when I moved back from San Francisco having left San Francisco when Harvey was assassinated I couldn't live there anymore I didn't know what I was going to do and so I decided I was going to do take pictures of industrial landscape now I don't know why and so I took a trip to peak skill New York to the Indian Point nuclear power plant in October of 1978 and and photographed that power plant and then Harrisburg happened on March 28th 1979 and so I became very committed to anti the anti-nuclear movement and that photograph I was traveling with two other women and I learned to juggle because I wanted to take a photograph in front of the nuclear power plant and I wanted to talk about human error like how simple it would be to have a mistake or to screw up or not be able to know what to do so we we I staged that and you put it on a poster entitled they're juggling our genes and I we pasted back in the day thousands of those posters and they were made they were eight and a half by 11 I worked in a Xerox store copy shop so I had them and I went around all over New York but I took a cross-country trip with these posters and then I took it to California and then I came back again gluing them over wherever I could you know lamp posts or the sides of buildings I so it was a street piece as well as a photograph so yeah let's move on to our third photograph which has an interesting history also and we're moving now to the area of queer performance this is called Laurie Eastside assists Ethel Eichenberger PS 122 MYC 1987 and you know Laurie Laurie side has a epigraph here the beloved performer Ethel Eichenberger Eichenberger was about to perform a song from many the maid when her accordion strap broke the packed audience gasped but Ethel just kept her rapid fire ad libs going as I quickly pushed a piano onto the stage behind her she now said now I had a piano to the near and near to the roaring chairs of the audience reorienting herself on her knees to play she quipped now if only I had a piano bench just as I circled around the piano with one Donna caught the exact moment one of my favorites from a lifetime of phenomenal moments caught by Donna and McAdams within that one photograph Donna captures the love trust joy and community of live performance tell us so PS 122 was always referred to in the early days when we first got press as the petri dish of performance art work and PS 122 was the place where under the guidance of Mark Russell who was the exact was the artistic director and executive director a lot of innovative and political work was performed a lot of queer work a lot of marginal work all during the AIDS crisis people had a home there PS 122 was sort of like our church it was where we went to celebrate queer life and the loss of life because we were losing so many people in the in the arts community especially the dance and performance community to AIDS and so it was our home and Laurie wasn't it what Laurie was an incredible and still is an amazing she's a great photographer and an activist of herself usually if I'm at a protest she's somewhere around with me she's she was my first girlfriend and I adore her so in addition to PS 122 I just have to throw I have to also say that the wow cafe on 4th street which is struggling now they need they have no money they need money a plug for wow to pay the rent on their space because they're not nobody's going to the theater so I would spend a lot of time there in the company of women who played all the roles so it was I was really lucky to have PS 122 and the wow cafe as my places to go and the privilege to be able to photograph a lot of incredible amazing performers from you know oh gee going back many many years till 2006 when I moved to Vermont and well we'll have to invite you back to talk about this current chapter of your history we've almost run out of time believe you're not are there any words you want to share with the audience well I'd like to say that I'm really happy to be here in Vermont's I'm really proud of Bernie Sanders and the work he's doing I'm happy to be a goat farmer I love my girls you know I live with an amazing man Brad Kessler novelist novelist good guy so I'm really I'm really happy to be here in Vermont so I'm I'm lucky I live in a great great community uh you know we're worried about our hay we're not getting enough rain but aside from that you know you know things are okay wonderful well that's a great note to end on thank you for coming and we'll have to ask you to come again I'd love to well that was an interesting interview and yes it was fun and you know she's showing all around the state once the pandemic lifts we can see her work in stowe and castleton and elsewhere okay good and um I think we have trivia don't wait are we done on trivia Keith you're muted but I like being muted I hate it it's one of my better features so Stonewall June 28th 1969 how many people were actually arrested but and the answer is 13 so with that Linda okay let's all hang in here be safe be well and we'll see you in two weeks and in the meantime resist